thank you Adya. I listened to this talk very, very early in the morning upon waking, it initiated a profound shift for me. Eternal gratitude for your never ending giving.
Am i falling or are the walls going up ? Am i going down very slowly or is the hole very deep asked Alice? Am i getting crushed by gravity, Or am I accelerating like in an elevator or a car? Life can't die. So running away from the shadow of death is futile. And yet we run 🏃 away from the chance of god catching us. All my addictions are me running away. Until i don't And i let fear catch me as i pass through it into the unknown. May i be curious about that
Woah I was listening with the phone down and I was thinking say "catch me" and then I pick up my phone and look at the comments to see other solutions and boom here it is.
A zen master sent a woman with her dying son to find a cure for her son. He told her to find the house in the village where their relative didn't die and then ask them for a bean. This will save your son's life, he said. She went looking all over didn't find any house without a relative that died. She returns to the monk with her son dead in her arm. She said you lied to me. There is no house without someone that died. He replied, Exactly! At that time she surrendered and accepted her son's death. Very powerful!
Better to meditate on a Koan and come to your own conclusions. Simply, there comes a time when self-study is the best teacher-but that comes after accepting the calm within you. Then is the time to join in the knowledge of others. Namaste and care, mhikl
Same philosophy I use with music to a certain extent it’s only enjoyable if you do it your way in a fashion that pleases and teaches you at your own pace. No pressure just pleasure
I experienced this feeling only once, when I attempted to take my own life by overdosing on my muscle relaxers. I passed into sleep knowing that I wouldn't wake up again. It obviously didn't come to pass, bu it was the most at peace I've ever been.
Similar story. I’d finally after 40 years and 1 drunken attempt made a decision completely sober to end my life. It was the most peaceful I’ve ever been. The world had other plans. It was a lovely day though.
@You are what you’re looking for Hope you're doing better now. I'm glad I didn't succeed. My ex wife's father successfully committed suicide when she was in her early teens, and of course it destroyed her for a long time. I nearly did the same thing to my kids.
@@jjkehrley I’m much better now. And I’m glad you didn’t 62. That’s quite a burden to leave on the people we leave behind. And truth be told, we might not like where we end up and it might be permanent unlike this which is temporary. All of our troubles and woes and difficulties are temporary. There’s always a way out and get ourselves into. I’m glad you made it.
you say "let go" as you let go. But its a letting go of everything until you realize true nature--and then you save your life by knowing one thing, the one thing that does not die. As Jesus said, "he who gives up his life will save it, and he who tries to save his life will lose it."
I thought "If I was the one stuck to the branch, I would notice the tree, look at the sky for the last time, take a deep breath to feel the air for one last time, listen to the birds chirping, then closed my eyes and feel the wind touching my body while I fall to my death smiling, grateful to have been alive"
Giving someone the answer to a koan is very unZen. The point of koan is to get "it" yourself. If someone gives you the answer you will never break through the barrier of getting "it" yourself. See pg. 55 from the book Zen Comments on the Mumokan.
That's because the true direction doesn't come from books. You can't experience words. They are meaningless in this pursuit. It doesn't matter how he used the Koan. He used it in this case to demonstrate a point - the Buddhists (who believe such things) are wrong about enlightenment taking years of dedicated practice. It is a simple realization. And it can happen through simple contemplation. Books are just a distraction - as is too much 'knowledge'.
***** And yes. He studied Zen for many many years. It was his "in" to the contemplative path. He's probably read more books about it than you. Not to mention he practiced under Zen teachers.
Is it possible to love the condemned before they die? What good is it? Is it not the duty of the enlightened to love the damned, when, after all, we're all doomed to die?
He should say "who's life?" On the way down Who you think you are will die, who you are will not Remember the master who was dying, and his students said not to... He said "where can I go?"
I would use the sign language with my tied hands, telling the master that I will make a generous donation to his temple/school if he saves me. Another idea... it is Japan, so I might shout "Kage Bunshin no jutsu" and make a tower from my shadow clones.
No world is better without you. There is always someone out there whose life you would have made beautiful if you would have lived outside of your fears.
Why is it the _one_ true thing that can save your life? What it means to live can be interpreted in many ways. Does the zen master not think this? Isn't this a key feature of koans themselves?
For starters, people in stories can't die nor can they live. No more than puppets can outsmart the puppeteer. Just like a knife and a fork are nit useful or dangerous. Your relationship makes it so. Arjuna, all those warriors are already dear said Shiva. So do what must be done. Also this is why the guy in the painting never gets the apple. It's a painting. You move by looking at an other painting in the Museum of believe and identification
I think we can never be certain of anything. Including the fact that he will die. Why do you think there is no way to strive to save his life, while simultaneously avoiding fear, hesitation and doubt?
One millisecond of Nirvana is more than enough, because Nirvana is not a period, it is a single moment in time, it is a transition, rather than a period of time.
We're ALL up a tree with our hands behind our back. But when you know it's all illusory the situation becomes hilarious! Immorality can be found in our willingness to come to an end. Get with the groove honey. It's all just a pixies playground.
thank you Adya. I listened to this talk very, very early in the morning upon waking, it initiated a profound shift for me. Eternal gratitude for your never ending giving.
"Those who try to gain their own life will lose it; but those who lose their life for my sake will gain it." --Mattthew 10:39
Am i falling or are the walls going up ?
Am i going down very slowly or is the hole very deep asked Alice?
Am i getting crushed by gravity,
Or am I accelerating like in an elevator or a car?
Life can't die.
So running away from the shadow of death is futile.
And yet we run 🏃 away from the chance of god catching us.
All my addictions are me running away. Until i don't
And i let fear catch me as i pass through it into the unknown.
May i be curious about that
"Catch meeeee!"
Thanks Helden, I literally laughed out loud.
Woah I was listening with the phone down and I was thinking say "catch me" and then I pick up my phone and look at the comments to see other solutions and boom here it is.
Nice job, you killed the zen master too
A zen master sent a woman with her dying son to find a cure for her son. He told her to find the house in the village where their relative didn't die and then ask them for a bean. This will save your son's life, he said. She went looking all over didn't find any house without a relative that died. She returns to the monk with her son dead in her arm. She said you lied to me. There is no house without someone that died. He replied, Exactly! At that time she surrendered and accepted her son's death. Very powerful!
I think the Buddha said this?
Better to meditate on a Koan and come to your own conclusions.
Simply, there comes a time when self-study is the best teacher-but that comes after accepting the calm within you.
Then is the time to join in the knowledge of others.
Namaste and care,
mhikl
Same philosophy I use with music to a certain extent it’s only enjoyable if you do it your way in a fashion that pleases and teaches you at your own pace. No pressure just pleasure
To quote Tim Rice’s lyric from his opera “Jesus Christ Superstar”: ‘To conquer death you only have to die.’
God I love Jesus Christ superstar so much.
I experienced this feeling only once, when I attempted to take my own life by overdosing on my muscle relaxers. I passed into sleep knowing that I wouldn't wake up again. It obviously didn't come to pass, bu it was the most at peace I've ever been.
hope you're doing better now and not letting your problems get in the way of your emotional health. :)
@@ruchi_teomura1 Thankyou. I'm working on it. One day at a time.
Similar story. I’d finally after 40 years and 1 drunken attempt made a decision completely sober to end my life. It was the most peaceful I’ve ever been.
The world had other plans. It was a lovely day though.
@You are what you’re looking for Hope you're doing better now. I'm glad I didn't succeed. My ex wife's father successfully committed suicide when she was in her early teens, and of course it destroyed her for a long time. I nearly did the same thing to my kids.
@@jjkehrley I’m much better now. And I’m glad you didn’t 62. That’s quite a burden to leave on the people we leave behind.
And truth be told, we might not like where we end up and it might be permanent unlike this which is temporary. All of our troubles and woes and difficulties are temporary. There’s always a way out and get ourselves into. I’m glad you made it.
Thank you, very good explanation, inspiring and helpful!
"Let's do this!"
you say "let go" as you let go. But its a letting go of everything until you realize true nature--and then you save your life by knowing one thing, the one thing that does not die. As Jesus said, "he who gives up his life will save it, and he who tries to save his life will lose it."
I thought "If I was the one stuck to the branch, I would notice the tree, look at the sky for the last time, take a deep breath to feel the air for one last time, listen to the birds chirping, then closed my eyes and feel the wind touching my body while I fall to my death smiling, grateful to have been alive"
The zen master asked the question to confuse him so that he would let go and fall into his arms and would save him.
Its now we are dead. Let go and one realize its all ever lasting no-thingness :) namaste
Thank You... ahhh
Thank you- 💚
no resistance to existence.
Giving someone the answer to a koan is very unZen. The point of koan is to get "it" yourself. If someone gives you the answer you will never break through the barrier of getting "it" yourself. See pg. 55 from the book Zen Comments on the Mumokan.
Perhaps you should stop reading so many books ;)
I read books for proper direction. I doubt Adaya has read many Zen books.
That's because the true direction doesn't come from books. You can't experience words. They are meaningless in this pursuit. It doesn't matter how he used the Koan. He used it in this case to demonstrate a point - the Buddhists (who believe such things) are wrong about enlightenment taking years of dedicated practice. It is a simple realization. And it can happen through simple contemplation. Books are just a distraction - as is too much 'knowledge'.
*****
And yes. He studied Zen for many many years. It was his "in" to the contemplative path. He's probably read more books about it than you. Not to mention he practiced under Zen teachers.
He didn't learn much then. He failed to understand the koan he talks about in this videol
To live and transition Consciously is bittersweet.
lovely!
Is it possible to love the condemned before they die? What good is it? Is it not the duty of the enlightened to love the damned, when, after all, we're all doomed to die?
He should say "who's life?" On the way down
Who you think you are will die, who you are will not
Remember the master who was dying, and his students said not to... He said "where can I go?"
who is it that lives? who is it that die? when it is realized that there is no self, then you are free.
"I'm glad this is a dream!"
I would use the sign language with my tied hands, telling the master that I will make a generous donation to his temple/school if he saves me.
Another idea... it is Japan, so I might shout "Kage Bunshin no jutsu" and make a tower from my shadow clones.
Huh? Knowing I'm gonna go splat is not fear?
Trampoline Adya Trampoline~~~~~~**^^**
If I were in this situation, hanging onto a branch way up in the air by my teeth, the world would be a better place without me.
No world is better without you. There is always someone out there whose life you would have made beautiful if you would have lived outside of your fears.
How old is the koan? I've been looking for its origin im rather fascinated by this one.
Why is it the _one_ true thing that can save your life? What it means to live can be interpreted in many ways. Does the zen master not think this? Isn't this a key feature of koans themselves?
For starters, people in stories can't die nor can they live. No more than puppets can outsmart the puppeteer.
Just like a knife and a fork are nit useful or dangerous. Your relationship makes it so.
Arjuna, all those warriors are already dear said Shiva. So do what must be done.
Also this is why the guy in the painting never gets the apple.
It's a painting.
You move by looking at an other painting in the Museum of believe and identification
will be reborn
I think we can never be certain of anything. Including the fact that he will die. Why do you think there is no way to strive to save his life, while simultaneously avoiding fear, hesitation and doubt?
Zen Koans are not riddles
I'd think I'd say: _"catch me"_? on my way down? (or maybe not .. a well)
Let go.... and the net will appear.
Ladder. Air-bag. Trampoline.Bouncycastle
KATZ!
Two seconds of nirvana ? Doesn't sound great to me
One millisecond of Nirvana is more than enough, because Nirvana is not a period, it is a single moment in time, it is a transition, rather than a period of time.
“I am”
🌹
If only
Or scream "Help," on the way down.
don't let go
O my apologies just listen to the koan at beginning.
I would say “Catch Me”
Nothing you can say will save you only knowing in silence.
The only word that could save your life is the word that allows you to accept your death.
“Goodbye”
We're ALL up a tree with our hands behind our back. But when you know it's all illusory the situation becomes hilarious!
Immorality can be found in our willingness to come to an end.
Get with the groove honey. It's all just a pixies playground.
Nothing!!!! Is the word, everyone dies!!
In a sense, if the koan is to be taken literally. If his actions are to do nothing he will die. If he says nothing 'he will die'.
If you spend the rest of your life trying to find way to live longer, did you even live?
But you have solved it intellectually and so the koan is meaningless. Now why would anyone ever bother to take a second look?
A trancoline
This is completely incorrect. The man does not open his mouth. He kicks the questioner in the face.
1:00 your welcome
The one true thing that can save your life is nothing... So say nothing...
He is God...... to lose his life
listen at 0.75 speed and then at 1.25
"Call for a helicopter"
The answer is everything was his imagination.
Put the bong down.
Only the name of Jesus can save us from the second/spiritual death. That is the answer for that question.
Doesn’t sound like something that even Jesus would agree with.
You say nothing.
Sounds to me like Homicide
Nothing. The man can say nothing
But then nothing can save him.