Is The Pico 4 Good For Sim Racers?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2024
- I give my thoughts on the Pico 4 for sim racers having tried it in all the usual titles.
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Long time Rift S user... When racing I kinda imagined that the wire was a HANS device...and the headset a helmet.. (helmets also limit your Fov in RL)
In Flightsim, comms harnas ... helmet...
I'm so happy with my new Pico 4 with shooters and things like Blade and Sorcery.. It really makes a lot of difference not having to keep track of a wire you can't see.
thanks for the update on the Pico4 HMD
My Pico 4 has arrived and awaiting to open it on my Birthday soon! I'll still use my G2 for wired PCVR Sim but this I'll use downstairs in the living room (Mesh Wifi6 to my wired PC upstairs) for moving around etc. 😁
Sounds like a good plan!
I purchased a HP G2 Reverb for $300 on Black Friday recently, but it wasn't going to ship until January 14. I was thinking of getting the Quest 2 since I was impatient, but since I have the Quest 1, I cannot bear the brick on face feeling along with all the mods required to make it slightly bearable. The whole battery on back design, better FOV, 4K+ display, wireless, and pancake lenses sold me on the Pico 4. I was able to order one off of Ebay for $443 which is comparable to a retail Quest 2 price. The longest it would take is 7 days during Christmas times. I almost ordered it off of Amazon UK but it was about $40 more and 2 days longer for shipping. I have a Ryzen 9 7900x but a Radeon 5700xt so I know the GPU will likely bottleneck hard. I just hope they make improvements because my Quest 1 was really crappy when it first came out and got really bearable with my older PC specs. Just writing this for anyone in a similar situation ;)
How is your experience with the RX 5700XT via cable? Have the same GPU...
@Tom Bölling it isn't terrible at all. I made a budget system with the latest gen I3 paired with the 5700 XT and can play half life Alyx nicely on the Pico. Contractors is a little blurry but definitely playable. Saints and sinners wasnt that great. I thought the blacks were horrible but I recently got a 7900 xt and can confirm it's more of the graphics card. Pico also came out with great software upgrades since
Thanks for sharing your views on the Pico 4.
I pretty much agree on all your points, however I don't get why everyone talks about compression. I know it's technically there, but I simply cant see it, no matter how much I look.. Coming from using an Index the last couple of years, so maybe I'm just too impressed by the higher resolution of the Pico, to notice any artifacts.
Running through VD, on a dedicated WiFi6 router.
Compression is pretty much an urban legend at this point... Like when people say they can hear differently on "audiophile" equipment... Pure BS....
It's really easy to see mate if the bitrate is low enough... Just make sure it isn't!
then go to the eye doctor
Awesome overview. Have 3090 ti with pico 4 VD godlike on f1 22 ultra quality +reshade and simhub transducers is the most immersive in VR I’ve tried. Goodbye flatscreen.
I find pico 4 more comfortable than my old g2 due to the weight/cable/balance. I place the back strap higher than where you had it, not as tight and it actually makes it feel like wearing goggles instead of hmd. The built-in fan is underrated but I still use a fan for comfort and helps with nausea.
For people who aren’t aware, VR requires a high level gfx card, even more so with these wireless hmds because of the encoding/decoding aspect.
I think the reason why pico does better with stutters on sims in 90hz is because controller tracking is off. While fps games requiring controller result in stutters. It makes sense since 90hz is considered “experimental” for now. You’re right though, it’ll just get better, hoping soon.
When you have the pico 4 connected to pcvr does it charge? I had an issue with my quest 2 on pcvr the headset actually loses battery and it was annoying
they gotta make these cables thinner more flexible like those razer viper usb cables
maybe 5 years from now this will be possible
Man we need foveated rendering asap
Would definitely help.
Does not help that much , we need dlss 3 for vr
I've paired the Quest Pro with the 4090 and the god like setting in virtual desktop. It's giving me an image so close to being wired that it's crazy.
In testing the Pro with a 4090 and 3080ti even the 3080ti is giving me near wired visuals.
have you noticed any mura, wave ripple distortion while turning head, or generally fuzzy text and a lack of clarity? This is what I notice and I think its the plastic lenses
What do you think about the pro for sim racing
@@tehgusbus2716 It's great, Specifically for sim racing it's best over link cable
@@tehgusbus2716 for That high Price there are way better Options for simracing in my opinion. Pimax 8kx, or soon pimax crystal
Sim Racing in VR is the holy grail of gaming for me :D I hope they will release "proper" VR racing sims, I mean games that were specifically made for the VR platform instead of just "modded". Dirt Rally 2 VR is still the most fun and most immersive gaming experience I ever had in my life, but it's just an addon to a game made for flat screens. And you notice that. And yeah, I spent quite some money on a PC that could handle DR2 in 90hz with good looking settings :D totally worth it though.
Ams2....
racing sims have good vr, what are you on about. worst thing is performance in for example acc. but great in ams2 as the person above me pointed out.
well, except for the UI and ease of setting things up.
I tweeked my q2 the other day (iracing) running all max out in iracing and 200% supersampling in steam vr .
Getting 90fps .
3080ti/ryzen 5800x3d
You don't mention the most important metric mate, your Oculus render resolution?
Hmmm 🤔 In testing the Quest Pro wireless with Airlink I am getting nearly Aero quality visuals in PCVR games like Red Matter 2, HL Alyx and Wanderer with visuals cranked up 90 fps no problem. Simracing is very similar. I see a solid 85-90fps in AMS2 on a 3080ti on the Quest Pro using Airlink on high in game settings and it looks beautiful. I am sitting 4 ft from a router I am using as a wireless AP with the router being wired back to my main router and the ONLY thing on the wireless AP router is the headset. I am confused why your experience is so poor compared to mine. 3080ti isn't THAT much faster than the 3080. The 4090 just chews up VR and spits it out nom problem lol..but yeah the 3080ti is doing wireless PCVR like a champ!
You don't say what your RR is mate, wireless is not the issue it the super high RR, I gave running three 4k displays as an example in this video... I suspect it's very low just as mine has to be.
4090 Would indeed be a very different story!
@@KarlGosling good point so checked and my RR is set to 4128x2096. I do have a 4090 in my desktop gaming machine maybe it’s time to hook the VR up to that beast. My simrig is still stuck with the 3080ti until I get my hands on another 4090.
Thanks you've just explained why I'm having problems running dirt rally 2.0 with my 3070. flat screen not a problem via Pico 4 the pc just crashes after a bit. Note to self low the setting
Yeah VR is very demanding, I'm on medium/low for 72fps in DR2.0 with my Pico.
I'd recon at almost half 8K even through a wire like Display Port you must have compression by how the standards are described on wikipedia.
I will stick with my Tethered VR headsets for PCVR and SIM Racing games. The SIM Racing games struggle enough sometimes without adding wireless VR into the factor.
I have 3 different VR headsets that I use. The Oculus Rift S, HP Reverb G2, and the Valve Index. And will stick with using these headsets for all my VR gaming.
Wireless VR is still not there yet for me to replace my above VR headsets. They are still evolving and keep watching you tube videos to see if anything looks adequate for me to invest my money in to try. I would rather have the VR quality than doing the freedom of wireless. Maybe next year.
So what do you use each of your 3 headsets for? Got a favorite for racing? What about for general vr gaming?
Yeah. What wired head set is best?
I need better then Rift S
you should definitely try using pico 4 without facemask for that racing sim.
It gives really huuuge FOV and the difference is like watching through the window vs somebody kicks the barn doors wide open; a whole different experience in many levels.
It's not comparable to other headsets when doing same comparison with or without facemaks, not even close. Also it is like using reaally huge glasses, the vr world feels more real and when your peripheral view isn't blocked you catch your displays on the sides in the corner of your eyes. i bet once you tested it you'll never go back and want a new kind of facemask asap, something like quest pro's forehead cushion.
I use QUEST 2 in the same way - no facemask just thin cushion - and the difference in FOV is suprising. But Karl will answer you that his big nose won't fit 😁Right, Karl? 😀
what did you use instead of a facemask? i tried to remove the facemask but lens touch my eyes and the vr headset hurt on my face, the diference is incredible fov ,clarity and sweetspot , but i cant play like that
@@davidfs69 Only a cushion/foam from vrcover facial interface for quest 2.
I got mine to work perfectly with my 3080 by putting it to medium n then going into nvidia control pannel n selecting low latency mode n it got rid of all the micro stuttering im now not sending my pico back n cancelled my crystal preorder
Have you tried OpenComposite and OpenXR Toolkit? The results are night and day and will allow you to run at much higher graphic settings.
Is this working with Pico 4? Can you provide information how to install / set up?
@@danielbinder8035 don't think it has pico support just yet but works with Quest headsets.
Great vid .. as always! .. i use a quest 2 wired .. have an rtx 3090 and must say the visuals and performance are good .. the immersion is just something else tho .. i was giggling like a school girl on my first lap of spa on Assetto Corsa.
I wish I didn't get motion sickness... and had a more powerful GPU! lol
@@KarlGosling yep… I use the same configuration, supersampled to the max (5400x2700, 72hz)… and it is AMAZING.
Jesus my head hurt's...I'm going to have a lay down!!.🥴
My rift s just stopped working.
Done eveything, i give up....
Tring to choose a new headset now.
All depends what you use it for really mate, wired vs wireless etc.
Hi Karl, brand new to VR and I’m still deciding on what to buy. I will be using mine predominantly for SIM racing so wired isn’t a problem. I’m running a RTX3090 and was looking at the G2 version 2. I still think wired would be best for me especially with the Pico 4 wiring issues. Watching this I think that would still be the case. Cheers.
I would get G2 if you can’t wait for near future announcements for newer headsets. It’s cheap, hi res, clear but with smaller sweet spot, limited FOV, and last Gen lenses, giving you flatter colors comparing to pancake lenses like Quest Pro or Pico. It also needs a lot of juice to run at 4K 90fps. I had my G2 for 3 months, and been mostly happy but interested in new tech/lenses running on high end PC. Oh yeah, if you don’t care about tracking controllers, it’s a good buy, although they are usable, but not precise as Oculus headsets. Planning to try Quest Pro, a lot people are amazed by how good it is on 4090 cards 😂, and ditching their G2s for it.
Personally, I think the image quality looks better and clearer on the Pico 4. It's just a lot more pleasant for me. But the max IPD of the G2 is a bit too low for me, so getting a clear image requires a lot of effort (not to mention all of the shaking from the large amount of front weight). I even went back to my G2 that I haven't sold yet to compare and there's just no comparison. In terms of smoothness, I guess the Reverb G2 is very slightly better. But everything else that really matters on the Pico 4 tends to be so much better that I much prefer it (for me). Even in terms of image quality the artifacts are practically unnoticable unless I pay really, really close attention.
But... I don't really play sim games, so I don't know how it compares to that. Half-Life Alyx looks amazing on it though and I use the real turning, not the instant turning. I'm using an RTX 3080 Ti, so in terms of performance it's only slightly less than what you'd get, I guess. Overal it depends on what you want out of the experience. I've personally heard that the G2 is the best for sim games. But like I said, I can't really say much about it it. If you don't mind a wire, I suggest getting a wired headset. I hate the wire so much that I'm more than willing to make a few small sacrifices to get a comfy, wireless experience.
No budget was mentioned, so if you want the best then it's the Varjo Aero. Some people have said they prefer the Meta Quest Pro to the Reverb G2 for sims, so that's another option. Finally, you could wait a bit to see what the Pimax Crystal is like.
@@dtz1000 Yeah, the Pimax Crystal is definitely something to watch out for. Pimax headsets are known for being rather cumbersome in terms of setup though. There's also the Megane X headset coming out supposedly by the end of this year. It uses a cable, but it's very lightweight, uses OLED lenses AND can do HDR. Well, maybe it was miniled, but at least something that offers good contrast and black levels.
The G2 is a great choice for a wired driving rig. Im very happy with mine.
I wonder if they can just take use of a thunderbolt port. Display port seems silly but also so does compressing video on a headset for virtual reality!
Nothing silly about displayport. The Pico Neo 3 Link has it (I have one of those). Best of both worlds, both untethered wireless, and DP with full quality.
Hey Karl, I have the REVERB G2 as well and it's pretty good.I do get 500 on super Sample and 90 FPS..not sure if it's a bug with software and yes I have a RTX 3080 Ti..I also want HP REVERB G2 to have 80 FPS option as well but they never put it in there software..
I've only tried the Pico 4 some minutes in AMS2 and it was too choppy for my taste, while other PCVR-titles run very smooth and much better than my Vive Cosmos. So in sim-racing I would rather prefer the Cosmos even it's not a decent headset and for DR2 I would prefer VR, because I hate it on a display. Something with the FOV doesn't seem right in DR2 and similar titles like WRC10 deliver better depth perception even on a pancake screen, just sucks in most other areas. Otherwise I can gain a few tenths while hot lapping in VR it seems, but I'm not as consistent as with my 49". And online I just loose too much performance in VR to compete properly even in the so called best VR-racing-game AMS2. Certainly I wouldn't run ACC or rF2 in VR. I did it often enough to know how bad it is and once you are used to 100+ fps on a fast display, those fps-drops especially while cornering are a no go. And TrackIR is doing a good enough job for looking around in the car, so I don't miss anything significant regarding hFOV.
rally games have more turns and are more vertical is my guess other sim games are very flat and turns are much wider and more obvious
@@n9ne I wouldn't say this doesn't play a role, but just was playing WRCG and far less problems there to see what's coming on a screen. It's sharper with more contrast, better depth perception and far more realistic and remarkable leveldesign. DR2 on the other hand wants you to fail and mislead you with deceptive corners, lack of signs and signals, probably AI-generated level-design and fussy graphics. Also the FOV feels to me like it's too high and corners appear too suddenly. I can't judge distances well in DR2 and the camera is bumpy af.
I notice your platform is not moving while using the headset, so I guess you haven't got into the troubles of setting up motion compensation,
because pitching of the platform will increasingly lower or raise your seating position (down to a level where you can't see the road anymore),
rolling will shift your seating position left and right (up to a level where you sit outside of the car).
With the Quest 2, motion compensation is hard to configure, as some games like PC2 only run on Occulus Api, not on SteamVR, and motion compensation only works in SteamVR...
My only solution up tday is to turn off the Headset tracking, which stops camera tracking, and the controllers will not be movable, which in racing is not a big problem.
But in a flight simulator, to control the Dashboard of a plane, this is a problem.
So I hope to see your experience with motion compensation anytime soon,
and get your racing motion rig tested with a flight sim too....
I don't race in VR mate (motion sickness) so I've never setup motion compensation and probably never will.
To me the quest 2's plastics felt way worse, but I feel its not a cheapness difference more of a subjective one, both of sets of controllers are creaky.
Hey Carl, good to see you are better.
I have been following your videos of the low rider in dirt rally 2 and I can't help thinking that it looks too smooth and does not match the bumpyness that I see on the game screen. Dare I say it looks like "boat" like motion.
I've been watching videos by DR2 record holder Matthias Fulczyk and his settings and rig, in my eyes looks like how I expect it to be.... really aggressive and tons of rapid movement. Its good to know that he's able to achieve his world record times with "real life" ish settings as I thought motion, you could never match a static rig as its "easier" in a static rig.
I assume the low rider can achieve exactly the same extreme effect?
I know its personal preference, can you give me insight in why you prefer your settings?
Keep up the great videos.
A lot of my motion you cannot see in the video's, it feels much more aggressive than it looks!
Matthias Fulczyk is setup to look good on camera and when I run mine like that it's just too much, I've literally been thrown out of my seat!! lol But yes you can if you want to mate, as you say personal preference :)
It is definitely easier with a static rig and weak FFB as you're not fighting with everything, but with enough practise you can learn to be just as fast IMO.
Thanks so much for the details you talk about.
Did you say "Virtual Desktop" can use the usb cable for slightly improved performance / less compression?
Less latency, no Wifi.. not better image quality no.
Hey Karl, great video mate. Also have the quest 2 and pico 4 (I'm still quiet new to pcvr and learning how/what and WHERE to tweak to improve visual quality while keeping it smooth)
One interesting problem I have (and perhaps so do others) is I'm not 'really' sure just how good it can/should look in vr.
Just having a 4090 and jacking all the setting to max will obviously be really bad and trying to dial it down to get smooth is tricky.
If you think there is value in it, do you think you could set some game visual settings in e.g ACC so that your monitor looks like the 'best smooth quality' visuals you've been able to extract from the Pico 4? This way you would be able to visually demonstrate what we can expect to aim for if we had a similar rig to yourself.
Listening to you say how good the vr visuals are are good news but it's difficult to imagine and would be great if we had a visual example so we keep realistic expectations in mind while adjusting the settings.
Sorry for the long post, hope it makes sense. 😉😎👍
technically while you only have 4ms network latency, the fact the video needs to be encoded by the gpu and decoded by the hmd you get around 15 to 20 ms more compared to dp. That said i really tried to notice the latancy and its impossible to me.
I was comparing WiFi network latency to using a USB C cable which still compresses and decompresses mate.... Not hardwired PCVR.
But yeah even total latency for me is around 30ms so not an issue.
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I'm upgrading from a Rift CV1, which runs a bit meh on a GTX1080 with medium-low settings overall using mostly Assetto Corsa. I've never tried a wireless VR though but I assumed using the usb cable I'd get similar results. What should I expect transitioning from a wired CV1 to a wireless or usbc wired pico (or quest2)? I'm hoping to also upgrade the graphics card when budget allows. I was considering the Reverb but I also wanted the wireless option, not so much for the sim racing but for other games and watching a movie for ex. Your thoughts aprecciated, cheers.
A 1080 is not great these days for current gen VR headsets, they are all very high res... but it will still look noticeably sharper and clearer than a CV1.
@@KarlGosling I was thinking of upgrading the card first but the hmd is dying on me. Will I still be able to maintain decent fps if I'm using lower res though? Also a bit concerned with the wireless / usbc business.
Hey can you do settings on WRC Generations for the Logitech G923 and also troubleshooting? Thanks!
Have you tried the new logitech g pro racing wheel Karl? Thinking of upgrading to a DD but im not sure as to which one yet.
I have it here and will be testing all this week mate :)
@@KarlGosling awesome. Cheers mate. Might be making the plunge today though.
@@KarlGosling Alright Karl mate, I have ordered 4 transducers for my DIY rig. 2x BST-1's and 2x TT25's...... In your opinion what would be the best setup/mounting locations?
Either, the two large transducers at the back corners and the two smaller ones at the front corners (simulating all 4 wheels...............or.....
One of the large ones under the seat & one under the pedal deck, two smaller ones inside the backrest of the seat on a board?
Cheers mate.
Hope your back is getting better!
Very, very slowly mate cheers.
Dude has a 3080 and is still struggling, me with a 1060 sitting here like
My feelings/opinions on VR pretty much match yours. Have you considered the next gen graphics cards and cpu's? The biggest issues are raw compute power and the newest hardware well certainly help resolve that. Unfortunately the necessary upgrades are out of my reach.
I may get a 4080 if the price and performance is right but I've got bigger priorities in life that new PC hardware right now Ray.
@@KarlGosling hope everything is OK mate.
Quick question Karl, i know it's off topic but do you still feel the need to use the Oculus Tray Tool? Not touched my Quest 2 much since xmas 2021 so just wondering if it's still needed with all the updates that have come out this year?
No mate I haven't used that in a long time.
My experience with my Quest 2 is that hardwired to a PC with a Link cable provides a far better image than anything wireless. AC and Automobilista 2 are very playable at high quality in VR via Link. Crew Chief makes up for the narrow FOV. For me, much more immersive in VR than flat screens. Pros and cons for both. (3080ti gpu)
Thats odd as they both send a compressed video image using HEVC or H264 so will be the exact same visual quality (if you match RR and bitrate), assuming your wifi signal is very good of course, thats the usual variable when I see people having a poor experience wireless.
@@KarlGosling Yes, it may be time to upgrade my router but I’m happy with the cable for sim racing. The quality in VR has come so far in the past two years. Used to be total crap and just a novelty and now it’s my preferred way to race AC and AMS2. Hope we continue on the same trajectory.
Love you videos btw. Keep the honest reviews coming. No one wants to watch someone who says everything is great when it’s not.
@@KarlGosling The thing is, wired you can set the bitrate more than double (400+) than the max rate you can set wireless (max 200 with link, 150 with VD) Visual quality get a noticeable bump, and latency is better.
Also, I suggest you to play with the FOV values in the Oculus debug tool. I can play every racing title with medium to high settings, 90 fps, Oculus resolution 1.7x (so native res) if I set both FOV values at 0.9 or so, with the 3080. Image clarity is very good on every sim but ACC, but we know ACC in VR is impossible to run.
I think most people don't know that messing with those FOV values you can get a massive performance headroom to increase render resolution, ingame settings and hence a lot better visuals. It doesn't apply for Pico headset tough, until they have a similar setting I'm not aware of.
@@KarlGosling I quit using wireless with Quest2, as not satisfying enough. BUT I use link (500mbs to get rid of compression artifacts, NO asp) supersampling to the MAX (5400x2700) with 72hz only and all my sims in ULTRA (3090) and it is AMAZING (even ACC, BUT I have to reduce everything related to rearview mirrors).
VR is amazing, linked.
I will wait for foveated rendering PCVR now…
I bought so many games for the quest that I can`t justify getting the pico 4. I wish I could try it though.. Oh well..
90% of my vr games are Steam pcvr games I play using Virtual Desktop. The rest are Quest games I play with my pre teen grandkids. I wouldnt lose much by switching and could retain the Quest 2 for playing with the kids. I have not tried one yet but I'm really interested. I'm wondering about the Quest 3 too. Price will be a big consideration.
I have a lot of games on steam to however I still think the quest is still plenty good and works so smooth on everything I'm going to wait until the next wave of headsets on the market
Many people have bought Pico 4 on Amazon, tried it, then returned it disappointed. Amazon reviews of Pico 4 are pretty bad compared to the Quest 2 reviews there.
my guess is the wifi receiver isnt as good in the pico, in speed tests I get around 2mbps in pico, but well over 30mbps in the quest. Cant even stream a 4k video
Wow! I'll have to try this myself too.
Hi Karl thanks for the videos, why don’t you use oculus for pcvr? Am I doing something weird? I use steam vr and oculus for everything, is there a reason I should be using virtual desktop?
I was using my Quest 2 for PCVR until this came along mate, I have to use VD now as this can't be used with Oculus Link otherwise I just used to use link.
@@KarlGosling Ah I see thanks for the reply dude.
@@KarlGosling hi Carl, great video's! I use the pico 4 with my q2 link cable which works perfect. I do this via the streaming assistent and just scale the quality ingame a but up! Have you tried?
Hi. Well done for this video. I currently have an 8KX and need to use a base for tracking and motion compensation. Do I need a base and/or a sensor like I have with my 8KX? Thanks for your answer
No mate, to be honest I've never needed to use motion compensation, IRL our heads try to stay stationary as our bodies move around and the same happens in sim but with much less movement to worry about... your head never ends up outside the car or anything odd like that! lol
I had to buy an RTX 4090 to finally get acceptable performance from my 5 year old Odyssey +. There no point getting a more recent VR headset - no GPU (even the 4090) could possibly run it well.
Isn't the solution for devs to implement DLSS / FSR 2 on every VR game at this point??
DLSS / FSR 2 has very mixed results, in VR whats currently around looks bad IMO.
Nice video :) I see you have the side screens turned off, is there some gains to be had by setting the front screen to say 1080p instead of 2k/4k ? I have just got a Pico 4 to mess about with but no idea yet what software i need to run on the PC to connect it :)
No gains as such mate, the display just mirrors what your see in VR.
Thanks
Got my Pico 4 and as a standalone vr headset...its not that good.
Yeah the lenses are better than quest 2 and love the colour pass through but the store is quite bad and a lot of the games on the store are not as updated as the quest versions with missing mod support as well 
Going to return mine as don't have gaming pc and don't see how pico will be supporting the pico enough as quest has several games out this month....most of them are pcvr and quest only.
Shocking for standalone users
They need time to catch up, Q2 has sweet FA when that launched too as developers wanted to sell to the already existing Q1 market so games didn't take advantage off the new hardware.... Look at it now! Hopefully the same will happen with Pico as their market is much bigger!
Are there any good simrigs focused on VR? If you don’t need a monitor mount it feels like they could be smaller. Or at that point am I looking at a wheel stand (with optional seat attachment)?
You still need a solid rig to mount your equipment to, VR or not thats very important to the overall experience IMO.
I bought this because so many youtubers who got this sent to them says it's the best alternative for pc-vr. And the software isn't even working yet??
It is the best alternative for wireless PCVR using VD mate.
@@KarlGosling Thanks mate. I commented before watching the whole video. I'm still screwed though, since I get my wifi from landlord's sections of the building and planned to use the cable
@@Peter_Parker69 Get yourself a router and connect it to your PC, that will give you a faster connection wirelessly to the Pico.
have anyone had experience losing their FFB when they use their PICO4? AC, ACC, and AMS2. it doesn't affect Dirt Rally 2.0 and CarX Drift Online. weird as hell.
The issue with both these is that they're wireless. I'd rather have the Pico 4 than the Quest 2, obviously, but what simmers might consider (in Europe) is the Pico Neo 3 Link. The Link part stands for the Displayport it has, which lets you plug the included 5-meter cable into your PC and get a pure, uncompressed image. Way clearer. Also, the 5 meter cable has a power port on it, plug in a 12 volt power brick (sadly not included) into that and it will keep the headset topped up for those long racing sessions. But, like all VR, of course, you need a beefy PC. VR users may be in actual need of the RTX 4090 in spite of its blinding sticker shock - that monster can actually maintain high framerates with good quality even with (essentially) two screens, like VR really is. In fact, the dream setup would be a monster PC with a 4090, and then one of the upcoming Pimax headsets that have way wider field of view, side to side. Instead of racing through binoculars, you get peripheral vision. But now prices are reaching nosebleed levels overall.
Yes mate the Pico 4 is wireless, thats it's primary purpose with PCVR very much secondary, just like the Q2.
Which headset that you tried gives you more 3d deep effect? Thanks a lot
3d deep effect? In VR everything should look realistic from a depth point of view.
Very nice 👌👍
Thank you! Cheers!
Did you have higher settings on quest 2 as I'm on 2060 and med on vd and med on dirt was thinking upgrade to Pico for lenses and fov but if gonna be worse?
You'll need to run the same RR to get the same performance, if you increase your RR you will of course struggle.
Thank you
No worries!
How on earth do you play iracing through virtual desktop?? :-( I have VD setup up etc but running iracing specifically through it I cant figure out
I've never tried it mate sorry!
Got it working with openVR instead of openXR 😎 thanks for the reply, much appreciated!
quanto è utile e necessario il plugin che indicavi e che rimandavi all’altro video? Cambia molto la qualità delle immagini o la fluidità utilizzarlo o meno? Lo vedo un po’ laborioso…
I would do Pimax
Might be time to treat yourself to a 4090 :P
So much money though mate!
So i see you are running your normal displays at the same time as the VR headset, that has to be a lot for your graphics card to handle.
What happens if you turn off your screen, even pull the cable out so the computer can not render to it?
It's just showing one of the two rendered images from the VR headset so no addition load from a computation point of view.
Hi, wenn du einmal die Einstellungen für pico 4 und Virtual Desktop für iRacing bekannt geben könntest, würde mir das sehr helfen. Ich habe kein flüssiges Bild bei 89-90 fps.
I am totally satisfied with my PicoNeoLink3 for Simracing. Just out of curiosity, how do I use the mentioned USB Hack connection together with Virtual Desktop for Pico 4? Virtual Desktop over WiFi just doesn´t work anywhere close to acceptable for me. Jittering from hell would not even describe it in the slightest bit. So VD Streaming over USB maybe could do the trick for me.
I'll do a video on it mate.
@@KarlGosling Thank you very much. Looking forward to it. 😃
Hi Karl, how do you do it to have only one image on your screen (not double image)? Thank you
Thats how it is by default.
@@KarlGosling strange! On mine it’s displayed as 2 images on the monitor.
karl- can I ask what you do for a day job?
Yes mate , I have a car tuning garage (custom engine building, live mapping, etc.) and a small cleaning business.
@@KarlGosling cool, thanks man! can't wait for the pico 4 release in the states :)
Open XR Toolkit and Open Composite is the best solution for PCVR. I bought Pico 4 and i'm very disapointed. I'm using Quest 2 from one month for PCVR with USB3 cable. I spent a lot of time to find out the best configuration (FPS and Quality). And now a lot of YT and internet hype for Pico 4 with Virtual Desktop (aka game changer and so on..) It's a bullshit for me. I've bought Pico 4 few days ago for better FOV, resolution and overall "image quality". Tested everything (WiFi6, USB-C etehernet card, USB3 cable, Streaming Assistant and Virtual Desktop (Godlike on my RTX 4090). Sorry, there is no way to have even close what i have on Quest 2 with OpenXR Toolkit and Open Composite with USB3 cable (I mean FPS and overall image quality not FOV of course). Now I will return my Pico 4, stay with Quest 2 and in the time where I wait for Quest 3 I will try HP Reverb G2 V2 because have also better spec then Q2 but can work same straight way like Q2 (OXRT, OC) without this sh**ty heavy SteamVR which Pico 4 use. Try your configuratiion with Virtual Desktop instead Streaming Assistant and You will see much better quality and performance, yes it's true. But again, for me even VD it's not to close what i've got from OXRT and OC. I wanted to have the same quality and performance on Pico 4, and even better due to the spec, but it's not possible until Pico 4 will not fully natively supports/uses Open XR.
what do you think about Q2 vs Reverb g2?
Hy , it's good or not good , sory i have look thé vidéo , i no speack english
I am returning mine,the picture is distorted on the edges of the lens unlike quest 2. It’s true that the sweet spot is larger thanks to pancake but that picture bending effect on the edge can’t be ignored you will always notice it! this headset is a unfinished joke! It should not even be selling on Amazon prime