To clarify... The La Prima wheel base can be upgraded to Forte but not Invicta, but La Prima Pedals and Wheel can both be upgraded to Forte or Invicta, sorry if that wasn't clear.
I have a question. When you have the base and wheel connected. In game controllers in Windows. What does it show ? Example for Fanatec it shows base/base . If you could let me know this I would appreicate it.
Just as a point of clarification the La Prima is upgradeable ti the Forte with the PCB and LEDs but it is NOT upgradable to the Invicta die tona different motor and housing :)
Console compatibility is needed asap. I'm sure they'd sell a shed load as they'd leapfrog the competition. The DD1, DD PRO, G PRO, upcoming T818 still aren't good enough (worth the money to me personally) to tempt me away from my old Thrustmaster T300 but the Forte certainly would. All the others mentioned seem to have issues with either quality, usability or functionality but the Forte seems to have nailed it. They just need a round Rally style wheel along with console support and I'm all in!
Seems very serious minded to allow your customer the ability to grow the system. I really thought Fanatec’s idea to have two power bricks was a good idea for upgrading and these products take it much further. Cheers Karl.
Hey Karl, you still using this wheelbase after a year? I dont think I ever saw you do the Invicta wheelbase review. Did you ever get to try it out and compare it to the Forte to see if there was any noticeable difference?
Hey Karl, like you, I have very large triples. That said, the invicta base is a lot longer than the Forte base, I like to have my wheelbase in front of the monitor rather than underneath so I can see more of the inside of the car for immersion. I worry that I will be too far from the monitor compared to my Fanatec CSL DD in order to do that. Will that be ann issue. Any advice? Thanks again for all you do.
@@jeffwertz2953 I also do reviews of high-level material from the simracing world and I'm a big fan of Direct Drive engines since the very beginning, with osw. I really care that things are explained in the correct way because it is the best way to understand how they work
Slew rate is the "rate of change" as I said mate, it could be voltage, current or in this case torque over time.... but what this means in real terms to the end user is response.
@@KarlGosling Unfortunately not, it is the possibility of decreasing the speed with the same set force. talking about reactivity confuses the user because the servo remains reactive in the same way the only thing is that it has softer acceleration ramps.... reactivity means how fast the servo responds to a certain event and that remains the same.. changing the acceleration rate means instead that that event will occur with a smoother acceleration because it will reach a maximum peak more slowly....
Karl, I've been watching the channel for some time now, and I gotta say, hands down, I prefer it to all others. Not only for the objectiivity that I sense and being open with us on everything but also because I like the way you do reviews. Not shouting, loud etc. Keep going. Much love from Greece mate
@@KarlGosling some legacy titles like rfactor2 has their force feedback reversed. I was wondering if there was a switch in the SW to mitigate that, but fortunately I found an ingame option for it, just had to set to FFB % to a negative value
Really would love a more in depth comparison of the driving experience between this and your dd1. I obviously know that the asetek by far the better base but would just like to hear exactly how you think the difference is. Fact that I need console compatibility and that I got such a good deal on the PS4/5 podium f1 bundle I will be stuck with my dd1 for quite awhile but either the simucube or one of these will be my most likely upgrade in a couple years.I love the experience my dd1 gives me and the detail over my t300 I had before but I do know it leaves some to be desired with the QR and what not but overall is a very good product for what I paid.
Karl, you have something magical going on with your videos. I watched a couple other reviews of Asetek's wheelbases, and I don't feel the urge to skip ahead to the conclusion. What ever you are doing, keep doing it. This is by far the most relatable and watchable review, so far. I like the wheelbase. I kind of wish I had the need to switch from my CSL-DD, I'd definitley get this. Also, I can imagine someone is already working on an after market flange adapter to make Asetek's wheelbases work with Simucube's standard front mounts.
Hi mate how did you get the pedals mounted to the playseat? I have the same setup (forte pack excluding the clutch) and can't see any pedal plate included in the order. Thanks
Another great review Karl! Competition is great in the marketplace and hopefully the competitors innovate, cough cough Fanatec. I'm already very invested in the Fanatec eco-system, but this is tempting.
I dont understand the marketing by these companies. Releasing the product to be reviewed yet you cant purchase it for 3-4 months. To me this is idiotic. A company should have the quantities needed for public demand at the time of review. I am VERY interested in this set, even the pedals and all the kit that can be bought for it but I promise you it will fade in three or four months and I will purchase another brand simply from impatience.
What’s there not to understand? They send to reviewers because the first production batch is usually near final, and then it gets into mass production. The reviewers generate the hype so viewers can anticipate. Mate, this was announced months ago, and today you’re still VERY interested after this video. You’ll still be VERY VERY interested in 3-4 months time. Guess the marketing works.
Good man, can't good wrong with Asetek IMO! Use this link here if you'd like to support the channel that would be great, thanks! www.asetek.com/simsports/?aff=Karl+Gosling
Great review Karl. Only problem I had especially towards end is that fancy kit was teetering on the edge of your desk and was making me cringe thinking it was going to topple off:) cheers!!
Thank you Karl for the high recommendation, I bought the La Prima bundle based on it. Very happy with the purchase. My two halves line up perfectly where youre were offset though. Maybe just a oversight when it was put together
great and informative video Karl.. sadly.. i dont suppose the Asetek supports any console at the moment or do they have any plans to do so in the near future?
Any word Karl if you can use your Sparco rally wheel and third party QR adapter? I'm a Forte wheel, base, and pedal owner, but looking for a Rally wheel asap for when the QR adapter launches. Thanks for the review, and advice would be very helpful. 👍
I'm kinda wondering; have we reached peak tech with wheelbases? Like the torque levels are already more than you'd ever need and the resolution is incredible. There's not much more a next gen wheelbase could add to that right?
Wouldn't surprise me at this point if we see more focus on just enhancing each base or software stuff for these direct drives. However I also feel eventually they'll be more exploring the pedal market & what can be shaped more there. And or maybe trying to make motion rigs or something like ButtKicker more enhancing to each rig. That's just my guess though.
@@TheDeadman14 Yeah software side there is still room for improvement indeed with many wheelbases. But hardware side pretty much sorted already, and that quickly in the lifespan of DD wheels :D
Another excellent review, Just getting going in Sim racing. Im already thinking 8nm might not be enough for me. Looking forward to your review of the pedals.
Hi Karl, did you ever review that adapter? The only thing keeping me from buying this is making sure I can use other wheels. I'm new to the hobby, so I'm scared of getting locked in. I want to make sure I can use other wheels. Thanks for all you do!
@@KarlGosling Thanks. Being new to the hobby, I'm not sure how wheel inter-operability works or doesn't work. I want the formula wheel, sure, but also want a big round wheel, and don't want to get locked in to an ecosystem that doesn't support both. I'm new, I don't know if my concerns are valid.
Hey Karl, another great review. Have you received and tested the universal quick release yet? I’m expecting the Forte range to be delivered next week and would like to try some drifting but as you say, a formula wheel isn’t ideal for rally/drifting.
My experience with the Forte has not been so positive, unfortunately. I am experiencing heat fade/derating on the Forte base after about 30 mins of play. Moderate FFB settings in ACC, minimal damping in RaceHub. I recently sold my Fanatec CS DD and regret it. Based on my experience thus far, Asetek has not met my expectations. Hopefully the RMA process will get the issues ironed out, I think the products have a ton of potential, perhaps I just got unlucky on the first pass.
Karl, You are just a big kid in a candy shop! Good review, I get excited over good quality products as well. That's what I was going to ask...you gonna mount this one permanently... Sounds like you are. But you gonna have to line up those fins or it gonna drive you crazy...How many times you gonna mention those??
lol You're spot on mate yes! The fins sadly will not be aligned as there is no play! Asetek have said to me this has now been addressed and was just the first batch.
Its on the list, have the Moza R9 and GS wheel from November 22, but am already thinking torque upgrade for sometime later this year. Moza R21 and this are there atm. Thanks for the review.
I'm curious about how the Forte wheel grips feel. The tops look quite square , with sharp edges and flat surfaces. Any problems with hot/sore spots on your thumbs?
I wonder how tough it will be to sell and recoup your investment on an upgraded unit when you’re done with it. It won’t have the upgrade model name but the investment will be similar if you invest in the upgrade kit… perhaps more… just a thought.
I’ve been thinking similar too. I remember one of the first videos Asetek made they talked about this is ‘recycling’, not wasting and being better for the environment etc. I kinda think it’s the opposite. If you have a Forte and then upgrade to the Invicta PCB, you then have a useless PCB sitting there doing nothing. On the contrary if you just sell the Forte, someone will make use of the whole item.
I would wait and save more money because with 700 EUR you can barely get an entry level Direct Drive bundle. Fanatec's Gran Turismo DD Bundle is 700 Euros, 5Nm base, the very ugly Gran Turismo wheel, and only the break and throttle of the CSL LC pedals - probably the cheapest way to get into Direct Drive.
Hi mate, am going to be buying the La Prima option and just wondered if you have to buy a mounting plate or will the wheel base mount directly on to the wheel fitting plate that comes on the Prime Lite? Cheers
I'm trying to find out what HDMI/DP adapter Karl uses to connect his LG C1 TV's to his GPU, and if he's happy with them. Is he getting 4K 120Hz? I'm being told C1 and other gaming TVs are not a good option because of the connection issue.
looks like a very decent DD System from Asetek , something i can only dream of owning. great review as always karl 👍 i see you like/collect retro games etc, i love retro games
@Karl Gosling yeah i use to collect retro consoles/games yrs ago but sold it all (gutted) so now I use emulators , I will start streaming retro games as enjoy them
Hey Karl, are you going to be reviewing PS VR2 and GT7 VR? Would be good to get a techie's opinion who's knowledgeable about driving games/sims. On a separate but related matter, I'm interested to know how the headset handles reprojection, I'm seeing from some that it causes a 'ghosting' or 'double-image' effect when head turning in games running at native 60 FPS reprojected to 120 FPS (artificial) - much like the PS VR1 with it's software 'trick'. For me, this causes headaches which turn into nausea hence my curiosity. It's definitely not a 'get-your-VR-legs' issue as I'm fine on games with higher native frame rates.
Very nice ! waayyyy out of my price range again. My boys Logitech G920 is on it's last legs, but there's still nothing better than the G920 under £500?
Good review. Sounds too good to be true that it is that level of perfection out the box but good review overall. Key is to watch a bunch of reviews to get a good sense of the product. Watched 2 so far and very different in perception. On to the next. 👍🏾
It's just a very refined Simucube Pro (literally the same hardware, they are in partnership) so easy to get it right, I'd be very surprised to find a negative review out there.
The La Prima bundle is the exact same price as the Logitech pro with the pedals. The Asetek is 1 NM more, which seems pointless because every review I've seen says the Logitech has a smoother feel. I think I'll buy the pro if they can ever get the pedals back in stock. I do think Asetek is going to be putting some good stuff out once they can get the kinks out though.
@BJJ As soon as I saw Boosted Media able to pop the wheel off the quick release on the Asetek by twisting it I knew I'd never get one. Watch their review, they go very deep in detail. They're just not ready for mass sale yet IMO, not for $1350+. The Logitech isn't having those problems.
Obviously subjective, but I'm not a fan of how the wheel looks. The combination of materials, shape and color choices make it look a little toy-like and too futuristic. I don't get the smell of racing fuel by looking at it, if you know what i mean. I'm sure it's great quality tho, and i love my Forte pedals
As a Dane , im very proud of we now can put our little country on the Sim_map 🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰 Great vid as always karl 💪 Love the down too earth vibe you always bring too the table 👌 Keep up the good work . Cheers .
This looks awesome. I’ll be coming from a G923. I’m buying a GT Omega Prime rig and I think I’ll get the Forte Bundle to go with it. I’d better start saving!
Spot on with Asetek giving a very good service. They respond very fast, and give you a proper and honest answer 👌🏻👏🏼, the sad thing is that I asked for playstation/console compatibility, and, for now they can not offer that, but still, they actually answered that they are trying, thumbs up for that. (It would be nice to be able to use "higher" end products with your gran turismo ie.)
@@matta2738 I am fully aware of that, and that was also the message from Asetek 😁 but at least they informed me that THEY hoped to be able to offer it in the future, and that they were working on it ( licensing, security chips etc.), but couldnt say when. Point is, they responded, none of all other I have contacted did that.
I have a question. When you have the base and wheel connected. In game controllers in Windows. What does it show ? Example for Fanatec it shows base/base . If you could let me know this I would appreicate it.
Sim Lab are not happy with me after my review of their WS so I'd have to buy everything in, if my budget allows and something interesting pops up I will.
Any idea if the direct bottom mounting matches the pattern on the gt omega prime wheel deck? Thinking of getting the forte bundle and I'm conflicted on mounting. I have gotten used to having a shelf next to my wheel for my gloves. Or maybe I won't need those? The G920 feels nasty without gloves.
Karl, don't wait until you have these top bits of kit to put out a video. Check in once a while even just to proverbially shoot the shit with quicker bites, we enjoy your work.
Hi Karl, new subscriber here. I apoplogise if I have asked this already on another of your videos, but I am almost ready to pull the trigger on this wheelbase + rim, but not the pedals as I feel the brake will be too stiff for my liking. So, I am looking at getting the simagic P1000 pedals and am keen to know if the forte base will accommodate the simagic pedals via one of the USB type c ports? Or are all those ports there exclusively for Asetek peripherals? I tried messaging Asetek but they have not responded yet. If I do go ahead, I will click on your link 😁
6.5 or 6.1 per milli second ..... slightly faster, I dont think anyone would notice the difference. I like the idea of no wireless or batteries like the Fanatec models but owning a few wheels I would need that connection. LED's are ok on wheels ( have the Cube control F-Pro) but that universal quick release I am not sure how long that would last, I actually put a 3rd party HRS xero play on my rig but that was a waste of money as I very rarely change wheels ( I am a open wheel driver). With those arms if you cant run 27nM then most have no chance and the Forte is all they would need btw: you do come across as a fan boi
Great informercial Carl you explained everything I needed to know about the wheel and base....Yes I`ve ordered one from upshift simracing store in the UK....It better be worth it or I am setting my lawyer on you for false advetising hehehe (yes that bit is banter ) cheers bud
@@doifeellucky had abit of bad luck with parcel force but that was not down to Upshift The manager Jason and his team could not do enough for me .Any way it's here and it's bloody awesome...I'll be honest watching the video the wheel itself looks cheap but in real life its solid weighty and looks quality...its gonna take some time getting me head round it all coming from a thrustmaster TS PC...wow this is no toy super strong ffb.
@@garysmith70 I’ve currently got an old T500RS so it should be a significant improvement. I recently got the Fanatec CSL Elite V2 pedals and was considering the Moza R9 but think I should probably just get one of these to avoid buyers remorse. Thanks for the reply.
This is not an important criteria to be honest. The peak slew rate is much more important. The Forte is similar or even better than the SC2 ultimate. The Invicta is much more better than the SC2 ultimate. It seems that simucube is measuring their slew peak rate "different". I don't want to say they are lying but this was noticed in different reviews.
@@sulleysaad3266 I guess it was boosted media or Ron reviews which came to this conclusion. Check out their review. SC probably use a different way of measurement to get theses numbers.
GT Omega Prime Lite if you're wanting one without a seat and if you want a seat you could just use one from a car in a breakers yard. It's on sale as it's a new product but only for another 3 days. Karl has recently uploaded a review of it.
For that price point you may want to shop used. If you need a new rig, the GTomega ART is in your price range. Your size/strength will affect the amount of flex you experience. Im a light weight and used a 8nm base/load cell pedals on a old gtomega pro rig (which many consider flexy) and had no issues except with the shifter/handbrake mount. There was also minor flex in the middle of the chassis under very very heavy braking. The ART is the replacement for the old pro rig and addressed these issues.
Seems t o be a potentially great wheel...but I'll stick with my new Moza R5 for a while. I've already spent tons of $$$ on a rig, 55" OLED, new gaming pc, bass shakers....how do I afford a $1500+ DD wheel wheen I alread spend $565 for my R5???
@@KarlGosling that would be cool as I use both pc and xbox. Really interested. Especially like the look of the quick release and am bored of fanatec teasingly and not releasing stuff lol. Great reviews keep up the good work.
@@KarlGosling Nicer in what way? To look at? Maybe. But most people don't feel the difference between the simagic alpha ultimate and the SC2 pro and the Forte is miles away from the SC2 pro.
Karl I think there needs to be some corrections, I dont think you can upgrade either the la Prima or forte to Invicta spec, asetek have never suggested that will be possible they have only ever said you can make a la Prima a forte with pcb upgrade which would indicate the la Prima and forte use the same motor which will almost certainly have the same slew rate and other specs and the la Prima just has a detuned pcb. The Invicta seems to be a different motor entirely, much higher slew rate and power target so almost certainly a different motor that couldn’t be matched with a pcb upgrade. I think a lot of people like the idea of buying a forte and then making it a Invicta and I think that’s simply not correct. Everything asetek has ever said has only been la Prima to forte and they even indicate that on the website in the la Prima specs, no mention of Invicta spec upgrade.
their wheels looks are "cheap" and boring. if someone told me this costs 150$ i would believe him. also forte+wheel is too expensive in the moza/simagic/logitech era. Its better? Maybe. but the price is just too much.
I have a question. When you have the base and wheel connected. In game controllers in Windows. What does it show ? Example for Fanatec it shows base/base . If you could let me know this I would appreicate it.
I have a question. When you have the base and wheel connected. In game controllers in Windows. What does it show ? Example for Fanatec it shows base/base . If you could let me know this I would appreicate it.
To clarify... The La Prima wheel base can be upgraded to Forte but not Invicta, but La Prima Pedals and Wheel can both be upgraded to Forte or Invicta, sorry if that wasn't clear.
I have a question. When you have the base and wheel connected. In game controllers in Windows. What does it show ? Example for Fanatec it shows base/base . If you could let me know this I would appreicate it.
"We build engines together at work" - That's goals right there. ❣
She's also great a making up looms! Lol Loves soldering and Tesa taping, finds it really satisfying! 😃
@@KarlGosling keeper Karl!
Pineapplegrips sell a colour kit to cover over the orange accents on the Forte wheel. It looks pretty cool when it's all blacked out
They do!
Just as a point of clarification the La Prima is upgradeable ti the Forte with the PCB and LEDs but it is NOT upgradable to the Invicta die tona different motor and housing :)
Console compatibility is needed asap. I'm sure they'd sell a shed load as they'd leapfrog the competition. The DD1, DD PRO, G PRO, upcoming T818 still aren't good enough (worth the money to me personally) to tempt me away from my old Thrustmaster T300 but the Forte certainly would. All the others mentioned seem to have issues with either quality, usability or functionality but the Forte seems to have nailed it. They just need a round Rally style wheel along with console support and I'm all in!
Hi Karl, you've tested this and the Logitech G Pro, how do they compare?
I have yes, this all day long, much higher quality in every way.
Thank you very much for the in-depth review! I've got my pre-order in for the Forte Bundle and can't wait to receive it!
Hope you enjoy it!
Seems very serious minded to allow your customer the ability to grow the system. I really thought Fanatec’s idea to have two power bricks was a good idea for upgrading and these products take it much further. Cheers Karl.
ya you should see the videos asetek did about the pedals it pretty cool you can go from entry pedal to high with upgrade kits it crazy
Hey Karl, you still using this wheelbase after a year? I dont think I ever saw you do the Invicta wheelbase review. Did you ever get to try it out and compare it to the Forte to see if there was any noticeable difference?
The Invicta is my daily base, there's no real difference in driving experience just more torque available, extra LED's and USB ports.
Hey Karl, like you, I have very large triples. That said, the invicta base is a lot longer than the Forte base, I like to have my wheelbase in front of the monitor rather than underneath so I can see more of the inside of the car for immersion. I worry that I will be too far from the monitor compared to my Fanatec CSL DD in order to do that. Will that be ann issue. Any advice? Thanks again for all you do.
forgive me but the slew rate is not the speed of response, but they are torque values per second which decrease acceleration.....
I believe you're correct. That would be Rise Time.
@@jeffwertz2953 I also do reviews of high-level material from the simracing world and I'm a big fan of Direct Drive engines since the very beginning, with osw. I really care that things are explained in the correct way because it is the best way to understand how they work
Slew rate is the "rate of change" as I said mate, it could be voltage, current or in this case torque over time.... but what this means in real terms to the end user is response.
@@KarlGosling Unfortunately not, it is the possibility of decreasing the speed with the same set force. talking about reactivity confuses the user because the servo remains reactive in the same way the only thing is that it has softer acceleration ramps.... reactivity means how fast the servo responds to a certain event and that remains the same.. changing the acceleration rate means instead that that event will occur with a smoother acceleration because it will reach a maximum peak more slowly....
Karl, I've been watching the channel for some time now, and I gotta say, hands down, I prefer it to all others. Not only for the objectiivity that I sense and being open with us on everything but also because I like the way you do reviews. Not shouting, loud etc. Keep going. Much love from Greece mate
Thanks mate!
Hi, is there an option for inverting ffb in the SW?
Inverting? I'm not sure what you mean mate.
@@KarlGosling some legacy titles like rfactor2 has their force feedback reversed. I was wondering if there was a switch in the SW to mitigate that, but fortunately I found an ingame option for it, just had to set to FFB % to a negative value
Wheel looks beautiful on your rig Karl. Great review 🏁🏁
Yeah I really like it!
Really would love a more in depth comparison of the driving experience between this and your dd1. I obviously know that the asetek by far the better base but would just like to hear exactly how you think the difference is.
Fact that I need console compatibility and that I got such a good deal on the PS4/5 podium f1 bundle I will be stuck with my dd1 for quite awhile but either the simucube or one of these will be my most likely upgrade in a couple years.I love the experience my dd1 gives me and the detail over my t300 I had before but I do know it leaves some to be desired with the QR and what not but overall is a very good product for what I paid.
The wheel and base look amazing. Top knotch stuff if you can afford it. Great review Karl.
Cheers mate!
Great Video as always Karl. The Asetek Products really do look quality.
Karl, you have something magical going on with your videos. I watched a couple other reviews of Asetek's wheelbases, and I don't feel the urge to skip ahead to the conclusion. What ever you are doing, keep doing it. This is by far the most relatable and watchable review, so far.
I like the wheelbase. I kind of wish I had the need to switch from my CSL-DD, I'd definitley get this. Also, I can imagine someone is already working on an after market flange adapter to make Asetek's wheelbases work with Simucube's standard front mounts.
lol thanks mate, just doing my best and being myself!
Hi mate how did you get the pedals mounted to the playseat? I have the same setup (forte pack excluding the clutch) and can't see any pedal plate included in the order. Thanks
Never mind.. just saw you're using fanatec pedals 😮
Another great review Karl! Competition is great in the marketplace and hopefully the competitors innovate, cough cough Fanatec. I'm already very invested in the Fanatec eco-system, but this is tempting.
Thanks mate! it is a very good wheel and base thats for sure.
I dont understand the marketing by these companies. Releasing the product to be reviewed yet you cant purchase it for 3-4 months. To me this is idiotic. A company should have the quantities needed for public demand at the time of review. I am VERY interested in this set, even the pedals and all the kit that can be bought for it but I promise you it will fade in three or four months and I will purchase another brand simply from impatience.
What’s there not to understand? They send to reviewers because the first production batch is usually near final, and then it gets into mass production. The reviewers generate the hype so viewers can anticipate. Mate, this was announced months ago, and today you’re still VERY interested after this video. You’ll still be VERY VERY interested in 3-4 months time. Guess the marketing works.
Companies sometimes use reviewers as beta testers. Find the weak points and hopefully fix them before release
46 minutes, worth every second. Finally a review of these! Thanks alot Karl! :)
Thanks mate!
Going to purchase my first sim. I have been researching for a while now. Looks like Asetek Forte is the winner of my business.
Good man, can't good wrong with Asetek IMO! Use this link here if you'd like to support the channel that would be great, thanks! www.asetek.com/simsports/?aff=Karl+Gosling
Great review Karl. Only problem I had especially towards end is that fancy kit was teetering on the edge of your desk and was making me cringe thinking it was going to topple off:) cheers!!
lol life on the edge mate!
Thank you Karl for the high recommendation, I bought the La Prima bundle based on it. Very happy with the purchase. My two halves line up perfectly where youre were offset though. Maybe just a oversight when it was put together
It's been corrected now :)
Would love to see a review of the La Prima set up. Wheel with wheel base cheaper than the Logitech DD and wheel, but reads like it would be better.
It's coming mate!
Me too
Another great review as always Karl! All the best. Steven.
Thank you Steven!
great and informative video Karl.. sadly.. i dont suppose the Asetek supports any console at the moment or do they have any plans to do so in the near future?
They are working on it mate but no timeline for console support yet.
Any word Karl if you can use your Sparco rally wheel and third party QR adapter? I'm a Forte wheel, base, and pedal owner, but looking for a Rally wheel asap for when the QR adapter launches. Thanks for the review, and advice would be very helpful. 👍
Yes I think so, I'm just waiting on one to come so I can test it!
Congratulations mate. Smashed 40K 💸
I'm kinda wondering; have we reached peak tech with wheelbases? Like the torque levels are already more than you'd ever need and the resolution is incredible. There's not much more a next gen wheelbase could add to that right?
Wouldn't surprise me at this point if we see more focus on just enhancing each base or software stuff for these direct drives. However I also feel eventually they'll be more exploring the pedal market & what can be shaped more there.
And or maybe trying to make motion rigs or something like ButtKicker more enhancing to each rig. That's just my guess though.
@@TheDeadman14 Yeah software side there is still room for improvement indeed with many wheelbases. But hardware side pretty much sorted already, and that quickly in the lifespan of DD wheels :D
Another excellent review, Just getting going in Sim racing. Im already thinking 8nm might not be enough for me. Looking forward to your review of the pedals.
No ferrite beads on the USB cable?
Also appears that you don't spend much time setting cars up on a skid pad.
Hi Karl, did you ever review that adapter? The only thing keeping me from buying this is making sure I can use other wheels. I'm new to the hobby, so I'm scared of getting locked in. I want to make sure I can use other wheels. Thanks for all you do!
I'm still waiting on one mate!
@@KarlGosling Thanks. Being new to the hobby, I'm not sure how wheel inter-operability works or doesn't work. I want the formula wheel, sure, but also want a big round wheel, and don't want to get locked in to an ecosystem that doesn't support both. I'm new, I don't know if my concerns are valid.
Hey Karl, another great review. Have you received and tested the universal quick release yet? I’m expecting the Forte range to be delivered next week and would like to try some drifting but as you say, a formula wheel isn’t ideal for rally/drifting.
I've not mate no, they made some revisions to it and I've not had one yet! Also looking forward to trying out my Sparco wheel with DR2.0.
My experience with the Forte has not been so positive, unfortunately. I am experiencing heat fade/derating on the Forte base after about 30 mins of play. Moderate FFB settings in ACC, minimal damping in RaceHub.
I recently sold my Fanatec CS DD and regret it. Based on my experience thus far, Asetek has not met my expectations. Hopefully the RMA process will get the issues ironed out, I think the products have a ton of potential, perhaps I just got unlucky on the first pass.
Karl, You are just a big kid in a candy shop! Good review, I get excited over good quality products as well. That's what I was going to ask...you gonna mount this one permanently... Sounds like you are. But you gonna have to line up those fins or it gonna drive you crazy...How many times you gonna mention those??
lol You're spot on mate yes!
The fins sadly will not be aligned as there is no play! Asetek have said to me this has now been addressed and was just the first batch.
that quick release is a great idea but so simple.
Its on the list, have the Moza R9 and GS wheel from November 22, but am already thinking torque upgrade for sometime later this year. Moza R21 and this are there atm. Thanks for the review.
This would be a BIG upgrade mate!
Hello . I have a f-gt elite cockpit with front mount . Do you think it will be compatible directly or do I need to buy an accessory ? Thank you
It's on t nuts in rails so should fit everything.
I'm curious about how the Forte wheel grips feel. The tops look quite square , with sharp edges and flat surfaces. Any problems with hot/sore spots on your thumbs?
I was fine during testing but I guess it will depend on your hand size and shape.
I wonder how tough it will be to sell and recoup your investment on an upgraded unit when you’re done with it. It won’t have the upgrade model name but the investment will be similar if you invest in the upgrade kit… perhaps more… just a thought.
I’ve been thinking similar too. I remember one of the first videos Asetek made they talked about this is ‘recycling’, not wasting and being better for the environment etc. I kinda think it’s the opposite. If you have a Forte and then upgrade to the Invicta PCB, you then have a useless PCB sitting there doing nothing. On the contrary if you just sell the Forte, someone will make use of the whole item.
@@rover1374 great point.
Great review! If you only had 700 EUR (or $1000 CAD) what steering wheel, peddles and shifter set would you buy? Thanks!
I would wait and save more money because with 700 EUR you can barely get an entry level Direct Drive bundle. Fanatec's Gran Turismo DD Bundle is 700 Euros, 5Nm base, the very ugly Gran Turismo wheel, and only the break and throttle of the CSL LC pedals - probably the cheapest way to get into Direct Drive.
Hi mate, am going to be buying the La Prima option and just wondered if you have to buy a mounting plate or will the wheel base mount directly on to the wheel fitting plate that comes on the Prime Lite? Cheers
I'm trying to find out what HDMI/DP adapter Karl uses to connect his LG C1 TV's to his GPU, and if he's happy with them. Is he getting 4K 120Hz? I'm being told C1 and other gaming TVs are not a good option because of the connection issue.
Look in my videos, I have one explaining all this mate :)
looks like a very decent DD System from Asetek , something i can only dream of owning. great review as always karl 👍 i see you like/collect retro games etc, i love retro games
Thanks Jay!
Yes mate I am into my retro! :D
@Karl Gosling yeah i use to collect retro consoles/games yrs ago but sold it all (gutted) so now I use emulators , I will start streaming retro games as enjoy them
Great review Karl. We feel the love of things well done. I hope the prima will be a gOOD entry-level, €2000 is impossible for most people.
I'm sure it will be mate!
I feel that the la prima are great choice but it's also a lot of money hehe
Hey Karl, are you going to be reviewing PS VR2 and GT7 VR? Would be good to get a techie's opinion who's knowledgeable about driving games/sims. On a separate but related matter, I'm interested to know how the headset handles reprojection, I'm seeing from some that it causes a 'ghosting' or 'double-image' effect when head turning in games running at native 60 FPS reprojected to 120 FPS (artificial) - much like the PS VR1 with it's software 'trick'. For me, this causes headaches which turn into nausea hence my curiosity. It's definitely not a 'get-your-VR-legs' issue as I'm fine on games with higher native frame rates.
possible to put this wheel on a moza base?
Very nice ! waayyyy out of my price range again. My boys Logitech G920 is on it's last legs, but there's still nothing better than the G920 under £500?
Good review. Sounds too good to be true that it is that level of perfection out the box but good review overall. Key is to watch a bunch of reviews to get a good sense of the product. Watched 2 so far and very different in perception. On to the next. 👍🏾
It's just a very refined Simucube Pro (literally the same hardware, they are in partnership) so easy to get it right, I'd be very surprised to find a negative review out there.
The La Prima bundle is the exact same price as the Logitech pro with the pedals. The Asetek is 1 NM more, which seems pointless because every review I've seen says the Logitech has a smoother feel. I think I'll buy the pro if they can ever get the pedals back in stock. I do think Asetek is going to be putting some good stuff out once they can get the kinks out though.
@BJJ As soon as I saw Boosted Media able to pop the wheel off the quick release on the Asetek by twisting it I knew I'd never get one. Watch their review, they go very deep in detail. They're just not ready for mass sale yet IMO, not for $1350+. The Logitech isn't having those problems.
@@uncleflansy5621 they fixed the QR and hold back all orders for fixing these. So no worry about getting a broken product
Obviously subjective, but I'm not a fan of how the wheel looks. The combination of materials, shape and color choices make it look a little toy-like and too futuristic. I don't get the smell of racing fuel by looking at it, if you know what i mean. I'm sure it's great quality tho, and i love my Forte pedals
Yeah each to their own, it is very futuristic... which is actually why I like it! lol
As a Dane , im very proud of we now can put our little country on the Sim_map 🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰
Great vid as always karl 💪
Love the down too earth vibe you always bring too the table 👌
Keep up the good work .
Cheers .
Thank you Michael, appreciated mate!
This looks awesome. I’ll be coming from a G923. I’m buying a GT Omega Prime rig and I think I’ll get the Forte Bundle to go with it. I’d better start saving!
Thats going to be a great new setup mate!
Where the heck is the La Prima?? I hope it's a sign that its just as good as these just less torque.
Coming!
Regarding fanatec DD1, i have tried both dd1 and dd2 and notice dd2 is way superior to dd1 at simular torque levels (around 11Nm)
Dude they run the EXACT same motor...At same peak they will feel exactly the same until you ask it to push beyond 20nm peaks.
@@jimbo121 maybe the dd1 was defective. Dont know what to tell you
Spot on with Asetek giving a very good service. They respond very fast, and give you a proper and honest answer 👌🏻👏🏼, the sad thing is that I asked for playstation/console compatibility, and, for now they can not offer that, but still, they actually answered that they are trying, thumbs up for that. (It would be nice to be able to use "higher" end products with your gran turismo ie.)
The issue is on the console manufacturers side. They make you jump through hoops regarding firmware etc and licencing fees. Especially Sony.
@@matta2738 I am fully aware of that, and that was also the message from Asetek 😁 but at least they informed me that THEY hoped to be able to offer it in the future, and that they were working on it ( licensing, security chips etc.), but couldnt say when.
Point is, they responded, none of all other I have contacted did that.
you sold me on this Karl best review so far
Thanks Martin!
hiKarl, iam currently running the fanatec csl dd, i want to upgrade could i attach my wrc omp wheel to this wheel base
I have a question. When you have the base and wheel connected. In game controllers in Windows. What does it show ? Example for Fanatec it shows base/base . If you could let me know this I would appreicate it.
I could watch 10h reviews of yours on sim rig stuff, great stuff. need some Simlab reviews soon no?
Sim Lab are not happy with me after my review of their WS so I'd have to buy everything in, if my budget allows and something interesting pops up I will.
@@KarlGosling thanks Karl. You are a beast when it comes to reviews! They must then revisit their attitude...All the videos are much appreciated🙏
Would the La Prima DD Base fit in my GT Omega Art cockpit?
Any idea if the direct bottom mounting matches the pattern on the gt omega prime wheel deck? Thinking of getting the forte bundle and I'm conflicted on mounting. I have gotten used to having a shelf next to my wheel for my gloves. Or maybe I won't need those? The G920 feels nasty without gloves.
Karl, don't wait until you have these top bits of kit to put out a video. Check in once a while even just to proverbially shoot the shit with quicker bites, we enjoy your work.
I try to do a video every week if I can mate, this is not my full time job so life can get in the way at times, I do my best.
Hi Karl, new subscriber here. I apoplogise if I have asked this already on another of your videos, but I am almost ready to pull the trigger on this wheelbase + rim, but not the pedals as I feel the brake will be too stiff for my liking. So, I am looking at getting the simagic P1000 pedals and am keen to know if the forte base will accommodate the simagic pedals via one of the USB type c ports? Or are all those ports there exclusively for Asetek peripherals?
I tried messaging Asetek but they have not responded yet.
If I do go ahead, I will click on your link 😁
Like the base, but not the wheel so much. It may be CF, but it looks cheap and I would expect leather grips for that price.
karl is the Goat of these reviews. I learn something every time
Great review! I hope you get to review the La prima bundle that they have!
I will mate.
Karl any chance you can review the SIm Jack Pro Pedals. They are Huskenveild sprint clones for around the £230 mark
I'll take a look mate!
6.5 or 6.1 per milli second ..... slightly faster, I dont think anyone would notice the difference. I like the idea of no wireless or batteries like the Fanatec models but owning a few wheels I would need that connection. LED's are ok on wheels ( have the Cube control F-Pro) but that universal quick release I am not sure how long that would last, I actually put a 3rd party HRS xero play on my rig but that was a waste of money as I very rarely change wheels ( I am a open wheel driver). With those arms if you cant run 27nM then most have no chance and the Forte is all they would need
btw: you do come across as a fan boi
It is what it is mate, best I've used, plain and simple!
Great informercial Carl you explained everything I needed to know about the wheel and base....Yes I`ve ordered one from upshift simracing store in the UK....It better be worth it or I am setting my lawyer on you for false advetising hehehe (yes that bit is banter ) cheers bud
lol no worries mate, enjoy it!
I’m looking at upshift too. Have you got it yet? If so how many days did it take and what are your first impressions? Thanks.
@@doifeellucky had abit of bad luck with parcel force but that was not down to Upshift The manager Jason and his team could not do enough for me .Any way it's here and it's bloody awesome...I'll be honest watching the video the wheel itself looks cheap but in real life its solid weighty and looks quality...its gonna take some time getting me head round it all coming from a thrustmaster TS PC...wow this is no toy super strong ffb.
@@garysmith70 I’ve currently got an old T500RS so it should be a significant improvement. I recently got the Fanatec CSL Elite V2 pedals and was considering the Moza R9 but think I should probably just get one of these to avoid buyers remorse. Thanks for the reply.
@@doifeellucky yes I would skip moza and go for the asetek...gonna take a bit to adjust all the buttons and get me driving style dialed in.its great
Anyone no if you can change the colour of the wheel. It's so ugly in those colours. This would be my next wheel and base of they did.
Yes Pineapple grips do various colour kits.
Looking at this qr and then looking at the fanatec qr2 and thrustmasters awful qr makes me realise how bad both of those qrs are
Four million points of resolution, so how does that compare to Simucube Pro or sport ?
This is not an important criteria to be honest. The peak slew rate is much more important. The Forte is similar or even better than the SC2 ultimate. The Invicta is much more better than the SC2 ultimate. It seems that simucube is measuring their slew peak rate "different". I don't want to say they are lying but this was noticed in different reviews.
@@FlameBot so u telling me the 8.0 and 9.5 slew rate for SC pro and ultimate are not real? 🤔
@@sulleysaad3266 I guess it was boosted media or Ron reviews which came to this conclusion. Check out their review. SC probably use a different way of measurement to get theses numbers.
Resolution is the same as I said in the review mate (same hardware is used).
Slew rate is indeed tested slightly differently.
Brilliant video as always 👍
Is there a sim rig without wobble for 300€ ish? That can handle 5-9nm dd
GT Omega Prime Lite if you're wanting one without a seat and if you want a seat you could just use one from a car in a breakers yard. It's on sale as it's a new product but only for another 3 days. Karl has recently uploaded a review of it.
In my honest opinion you are best off shopping for a used Alu rig on marketplaces at that price point
For that price point you may want to shop used. If you need a new rig, the GTomega ART is in your price range. Your size/strength will affect the amount of flex you experience. Im a light weight and used a 8nm base/load cell pedals on a old gtomega pro rig (which many consider flexy) and had no issues except with the shifter/handbrake mount. There was also minor flex in the middle of the chassis under very very heavy braking. The ART is the replacement for the old pro rig and addressed these issues.
Seems t o be a potentially great wheel...but I'll stick with my new Moza R5 for a while. I've already spent tons of $$$ on a rig, 55" OLED, new gaming pc, bass shakers....how do I afford a $1500+ DD wheel wheen I alread spend $565 for my R5???
This is the first time I've heard so many people say they like a product better than the DD1. Guess I know which wheelbase is my next lol.
Yeah noticeably smoother mate.
Very nice.
only way to improve would be xbox compatability
They are working on it mate.
@@KarlGosling that would be cool as I use both pc and xbox. Really interested. Especially like the look of the quick release and am bored of fanatec teasingly and not releasing stuff lol. Great reviews keep up the good work.
Lol Karl stays with the Moza sneak diss locked and loaded
For that price you'd get a Simagic alpha ultimate with 23 NM of torque tbh
Yeah... or you could buy this which is a much nicer wheel base IME.
@@KarlGosling Nicer in what way? To look at? Maybe. But most people don't feel the difference between the simagic alpha ultimate and the SC2 pro and the Forte is miles away from the SC2 pro.
Karl I think there needs to be some corrections, I dont think you can upgrade either the la Prima or forte to Invicta spec, asetek have never suggested that will be possible they have only ever said you can make a la Prima a forte with pcb upgrade which would indicate the la Prima and forte use the same motor which will almost certainly have the same slew rate and other specs and the la Prima just has a detuned pcb. The Invicta seems to be a different motor entirely, much higher slew rate and power target so almost certainly a different motor that couldn’t be matched with a pcb upgrade. I think a lot of people like the idea of buying a forte and then making it a Invicta and I think that’s simply not correct. Everything asetek has ever said has only been la Prima to forte and they even indicate that on the website in the la Prima specs, no mention of Invicta spec upgrade.
There's always a chance I misunderstood but that is what I was told when I spoke to Asetek via video call a few weeks ago.
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I can't wait for when Direct drives become affordable for us normal racers :'( one day they will be obtainable
its beautiful
Just needs console compatibility.
Coming.
Bases seem good, but the wheel looks quite ugly. Fanatec F1 wheels, TH SF1000 much better.
Yeah personal preference as always with looks mate.
I want one!!
Thank you
Are you ryan goslings brother? Lol
their wheels looks are "cheap" and boring. if someone told me this costs 150$ i would believe him. also forte+wheel is too expensive in the moza/simagic/logitech era. Its better? Maybe. but the price is just too much.
Appearance is always subjective mate.
The hardware looks great but the wheel looks quite ugly
Personal taste mate.
Are the la prima Review on the way 😅
I've not heard anything so will chase it up!
I have a question. When you have the base and wheel connected. In game controllers in Windows. What does it show ? Example for Fanatec it shows base/base . If you could let me know this I would appreicate it.
I have a question. When you have the base and wheel connected. In game controllers in Windows. What does it show ? Example for Fanatec it shows base/base . If you could let me know this I would appreicate it.