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Philip DeFranco hi
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Philip DeFranco you a G
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Philip DeFranco love you Phil
I have an online harrasser called Phil. Every work day he opens up by calling me a bastard and starts ranting. He calls it a conversation but whenever I say something he just pretends I don't even exist.
Roman Bellic mine just calls me nonstop insisting that i'm his cousin and that we should go bowling
He calls me a bastard every day too
I'm dead. lmao. This killed me.
Roman Bellic yeah fuck that guy, always calling people bastards n shit.
OMG 😂😂😂 I'm dying😂😂😂
She doesn't not understand the difference between harassment and criticism
She's a moron. There's not an intelligent brain for her to use.
Remember if you ever criticize a woman, thats mansplaining and thats harassment.
All the humble and hard working blue collar workers are the reason celebrities can live comfortably. Give them, give everyone with a job respect.
You should have just stopped at everyone.
+Arvo Desloovere Not everyone deserves respect thats for DAMN sure
That Instagram model is a sad excuse for a human being lol
not quite sure why but this was recommended to me in my dash today
I just got recommended it today! On my recommended page underneath the video he put out today
Same
@@emac7050 same
Same
You gotta stay up to date with the news from 4 years ago
Thank you for the proper credit Phillip, I highly appreciate it. You are by far my favorite news channel. My clip has been reuploaded and stolen everywhere and many people give no credit at all.
Yo. Keep up your work, Its great and you're going to go places. Im glad Phil Linked you guys, Im subscribed. Keep your content up. :)
SuperFilmyGuys adding you
Isn't it crazy how the best news channel is technically a reaction to the news channel?
Kudos, sir, for good camerawork and content.
Side note: maybe Vidcon should have more specific rules about unattended minors.
that last story where that security guard got more followers than the "Instagram model" who said he was irrelevant made my day like that is why I love the Internet😂
same that was just amazing
It was truly poetic.
Now I'm just hoping he is able to turn this into his own cash cow somehow.
It's the least the universe can do after throwing that gibbering ball of flith at him.
Trinity Joseph I like your profile pic 😌
what's the security guards instagram
Trinity Joseph amazing !!!!!
Well man, just wanna thank you for your comment defending blue collar workers. Being one and having many family members who are also blue collar workers it relieves me to know people still appreciate what we do. It's hard work that doesn't get a whole lot of recognition even though what we do is depended on by pretty much everyone. Whether that be HVAC, plumbing, mechanic, electrician, carpenter, construction workers, oilfield workers, truck drivers, farmers, etc.
JMan9191991 my husband does HVAC and he works his ass off and I don’t think you guys are paid or appreciated enough for the crap you put up with, the skill set, and pure elbow grease you do
JMan9191991
I respect you
I wanna like DeFranco and his channel but he keeps calling me a bastard...
CokeBlue at least he calls me a beautiful bastard
CokeBlue a beautiful bastard ;)
We are all beautiful bastards ❤
TH-cam needs gifs so that I can reply with Jon Snow right now...
I wanna hate DeFranco and his channel but he keeps calling me beautiful...
It seems like Anita just did to Sargon what she labels as harassment. She's delusional if she thinks her logic doesn't apply to men too. Feminism is supposed to be about equality, not a heavy bias towards women. This new "professional victim feminism" is tainting classic feminism.
NerdECrafter perfectly said!!
Agree
But remember, as someone on that panel, and I believe Francesca Ramsey Also said in a tweet, "You can't expect women to be strong enough to handle criticism on the internet." So they sincerely don't view the sexes as equally capable.
I can only assume she thinks like this: an adult(man) hitting a kid(woman) is not acceptable but a kid(woman) hitting an adult(man) is acceptable.
differrence is there are feminists and then there are the feminazis like anita and francesca
rainynight02 Fran never said that. Being barraged with the level of hate they get is a pretty unique and awful experience. They're definitely stronger than the dudes who express hate for them. And yeah, it's not simply criticism, it's dehumanizing disrespect and cruel digs about their looks and race and and gender, calling them slurs like sluts and cunts and retards and being overwhelmingly misogynistic and insulting their husbands and boyfriends as well as making threats of rape and violence - and this by the cohort with the online power, the popular cool kids/boys, for years and years. Laci's reaction of breaking down and crying when finally confronting one of her primary harassers and letting him know how his disrespect effected her and what his fans had been doing (though he probably knew about a lot of it already) stems from the same place of hurt as Anita's reaction. Crying makes you look more vulnerable and sympathetic and soft but is not the only understandable reaction to have to meeting your bully. You'd think these women were murderers with level of hate and contempt directed their way. It's crazy to me that so few, Phil included, can understand how seeing your biggest tormenter in the audience could upset you. Serious lack of empathy for harassed women who don't act sweet enough here.
When will some people learn that criticism and harassment are not the same thing?
Mack TB the only defensive argument for the YT feminists is that the FOLLOWERS of Argon and others may harass them, not the actual YTbers. But yeah, I loath their hypocrisy, lies, safe spaces, and bullying tactics. I like what Morgan Freeman said when asked about racism (while I believe it is not a major issues in America TODAY it exists inside of bad people) he said, " just don't talk about it." and I believe what he meant was that hyper-analyzing a decreasing issue creates a mentality that any unfortunate event that happens to a minority is a result of prejudice. I can't remember the exact name of the event but a black person was shot, and the media outrage was enormous, suggesting that the man was shot because he was black and that it was an example of white supremacy. That was until the information about the cop that shot the man was released and he was Asian.
i like that the internet turned christian's own words against him, turning Joseph into a more famous, overall more liked internet personality!
Kyra Hughes who is that?
Kyra Hughes I followed him 😂😂
Agh Christian burns has an original vid about a guy being tackled and choked and him defending him about the words that he said on that vid I know it was too much but really you believe that oh well. Whatever you believe man anyways you know vidcon security are just being feared by every going to vidcon and young people being slammed on the wall and other people being tackled and choked
Ugh that Christian , unimportant millennials and their tide pods. Insulting blue collar workers! Go away
Can't read or hear Joseph without thinking on JoJo
Criticism IS NOT HARASSMENT. Anita is a professional victim. She should have been kicked out.
This, if she was left handed she likely look for funding to show how shoes are designed in a way to bully her
Alcheya She refuses to debare because it hurts her funding. She has been disproven more times than I can count, she hates people more intelligent than her and she is shady as fuck, hence why she censors everything, she wants to say jump and you say how high, so time for asking why.
Oh yea, and I'm sure if she actually was removed or even warned about her actions, she'd just use it to get more funding, and she would, because those people are suckers. Rather than helping poor folks or donating to a cause that actually helps anyone, they'd rather line her pockets. Scumbags, the lot of them.
Some of what Sargon has said can be considered libel.
They need to stop inviting these "creators" that make 7 second videos or dance like animals over copyrighted music - and start inviting people that have been at this for a long time and that actually CARE about what they are creating and putting out there online.
Anita - nobody FORCED you to go to VidCon -stay home if you can't take the heat - I'm sure there's a ton of other real creators that would have loved to have the opportunity to be invited to VidCon and be on panels. Instead they invite the clowns you see in this video. (Except Phil, he's awesome) -_-
I actually did go to VidCon this year - spent $750 on an industry badge. I think VidCon needs to do a little more research on the types of creators they are inviting to be featured so crap like this doesn't happen again. It's very unprofessional and gives the entire community a bad rap IMO.
Matt3756 is
Matt3756 hey dude I am your subscriber from grade a undera
Sounds like you're talking about good old pie there to me. lol
I can't even say if Logan Paul or RiceGum have responsibility because I honestly think the only reason they did these stunts was to fuel their ego and to feel like "superstars". They didn't wan't to meet fans, it was only for their personal gain imo.
Sophie McCarthy It's so totally to make them feel better about themselves. Not too long ago Logan flew a little kid out to LA to meet him and to and imo he did it for publicity and to make himself look like a good guy, furthering his image online.
For real though, it's such a thin veil I guess his young viewers just can't see past. You can see it so obviously in his vlogs, I've only watched a few but he just thinks so highly of himself. Not to mention he is not a good person - known for bullying and harassing people online and to their face (Check out JessiSmiles) and everyone also seems to forget the fact that he was friends with Sam Pepper when all that shit was going down?!?!
He tries to make it seem satirical too. All the time he'll roast himself about his practices. If you ask me it's all to lessen the negative reception that comes with it. Logan Paul is a child. He admits this. It's why he attracts 12 year olds as his audience.
Absolutely fake individual. Everything he does in his vlogs is orchestrated.
Logan will realize that the lifestyle he is leading is empty and void, it happens to anyone who is crazed about fame. The question here is, how long will it take?
I think the saddest part is that they are 100% aware of what they're doing & what can happen, but they don't care about their followers like they claim they do, or they wouldn't be putting them in a situation where they can get hurt. If you have a younger following - pull your head in and act like an adult.
Who else got this recommended to them 3 years later? Like, I still watch Phil and (n)ever get recommended his new stuff, but TH-cam is gonna throw this at me 3 years too late???
Same! It got recommend today, very strange.
Same lol
Yup
Same very wierd
Oh shit, just realized this was from 2017, was trying to figure out how VidCon happened like that with the pandemic. He didn't mention social distancing at alll. Makes so much more sense now.
The main issue with Anita, and most mainstream feminist voices, is that they can't, or aren't willing, to differentiate between harassment and criticism. Disagreeing with you is not harassment and neither is sitting quietly in an audience listening.
True enough and apparently even sitting down is harassment.
Critical Nobody did you just assume my gender
Critical Nobody and always victimizing themselves when women and men point out that extreme feminism is that women are superior when it should be equality. It annoys me for the rest of the call women who don't brand themselves for fear of being linked.
Critical Nobody that is true, but if someone who keeps bugging you is sitting in front of ya, you're not gonna like that, right? Try to see it from her perspective.
But he didn't just sit down. If he had just gone to the panel that would have been fine, but he sat in the very front row and bought an entourage. Imagine if someone had been threatening to kill you, or in some way hurt you in some way, (I dont know if he had done that but lets make an example). And they had done that to you everyday for 3 years, and then you go to work and they are at your work, sitting there, smiling at you. It was 100% supposed to be an aggressive and intimidating action.
Go to the panel sure but don't try and hijack it to grab attention for yourself and also threaten someone you harass.
So it's ok for a "feminist" to "man-hate" but when people are hating on her, it's harassment? Well ok then 🐸☕️
I find it worrying how Logan Paul led the crowd of teens through a fountain then across what looked like polished stone steps, if that isn't a cause for concern I don't know what is. But inciting a mob to cause potential damages to people and property is on him. Reckless endangerment for a viral video.
I saw someone who was seeking attention at the expense of others. Logan Paul has to find a better and safer way to do fan meetups.
I'll laugh my ass off if they send him a bill for all of the landscaping damage that crowd did.
I think these people need to start using their brain but a crowd draws people it's human instinct. He needs to think about how much danger he put his fans in. It just shows he doesn't care about them or their safety. Having fame needs to come with certain responsibilities. He is responsible for this mob and the harm caused. If we don't place responsiblity on someone for inviting something they purposefully did then we fail as a society. This doesn't mean your responsible when your fans go and harass (or threaten) someone else, unless you tell them to do so and encourage the behavior. This is why you have senators and actors making statements against violence.
Anita is against bulling. Unless its her doing it.
true, he is no angel tough, he did more than 30 videos borderline(and not) insulting her and laying and misrepresenting her
@@qoobfoodisnotgood7457- he's no angel, but neither is she.
Yet only one of them used their position of power to publicly harass and villify the other. And - (un)surprisingly - it wasn't the white male :V
@@Magepure6749 Even in America, he would be prosecutable by law for defamation and harassment, since he also knew and approved of his followers' behavior towards her. Completely uncalled for, I still don't get what all of you think she has done that is so wrong, it's not justifiable and it's too childish.
I'm happy she is at it again :)
Anita has NEVER engaged any of her critics EVER. She NEVER will, because she will have to admit to lot of wrong doing through her so called "Career" if she was ever honest.
It's 2017, and people are still talking about Anita Sarkeshian? Mostly I'm shocked that VidCon invited her at all. I was a speaker (Industry track, not a TH-camr) at the Amsterdam one this year, and might also be at the Australian one - but depending on how they handle this, I might reconsider.
As I said, I'm very surprised they invited her at all - she's a proven liar (about everything from her past, to her current "research"), as well as a thief (stealing both content from TH-cam, as well as graphic artists, giving no credit or money, or telling them she is using it). Not to mention all that "I was harrassed and bullied online!" because someone sent her a deaththreat or said something nasty on Twitter - geez, back when I was active on TH-cam, I recieved deaththreads as well but it's certainly not something I would make a big deal out of.
VidCon is a really cool thing, but this seems to blow in the face of their "everyone is welcome and included" policy. If they decide to let it slide, purely because of her gender and ideological views, I might reconsider what I think of the event overall.
If she was just complaining about the death threats and actual stalking I could side with her. But she seems to consider any criticism of her to be harassment which is a problem because she say a lot of things that seem quite idiotic. If you say she's wrong she considers it harassment and worse she is an activist against that free speech. If the speech is little mean or critical of her or other women (she agrees with) the perpetrators must be punished. Though somehow I get the sense she is ok harassing others or 'punching a nazi' (with everyone who disagrees listed as a nazi).
If anyone else (not in her crowed) did what she did they would have been kicked out. The rules are not equal.
It's funny that Anita brings up Franny. One of Franchesca Ramsey's biggest critics attended her panel. The critic, Andy Warski, and Franchesca then met up after the panel and are now on at least better terms.
Dillon Green #frandy
It's funny, especially since they came to terms and agree on somethings
Nothing better than having a video showup in your feed that is like 5 years old.
The 'instagram model' kid and his behavior is absolutely disgusting..
A perfect caricature of the American-west-coast-rich-extroverted-kid-stereotype.
Throw his ass in the Congo with a knife and some matches. That might humble him, if he could even survive three days.
Does anyone else ever type out their two cents, then delete it because they can't be bothered with some of the facepalm responses they know they will get?
All the fucking time
Millions watch. Thousands comment. The minority are made up of people with a genuine question, those confident enough in a statement or idea to share it and the majority of this minority are often idiots.
Sometimes I even type it out twice.
Yeah. There's a lot of times I write a long response to something and then say screw it and delete the whole thing because I really don't want to deal with people. Lol
omg yes!!!!
The problem with Anita Sarkeesian is that she is routinely guilty of the same behaviours she accuses her detractors of; misrepresenting situations, using her audience as attack dogs on critics, and courting controversy for fame. Repeatedly, I have met feminists who state that her public actions do more harm than good for the movement.
Don't forget she asked for hundreds of thousand of $ for her "Tropes vs women" project,and we all know how that ended up.IMO,she just a professional victim who jumped on the "feminist" train for money and fame.What's sad/hilarious is that she found idiots to sponsor her behavior.
Her and Ana Kasparian from YT are huge hypocrites...they are like an abyss on the inside...
She's literally a professional scam artist. I mean, look into her history.
Meh, it's not your money. People wanted to sponsor her video and they gave her money out of their own free will. It's irrelevant how much money and how over inflated you think those videos were. She sold her project well and people wanted to buy into it. That's capitalism baby.
Rick Boost yep by her definition calling him a "shithead" would be harassment
I love this guy, I agree with him 100%. this guy is very logical
internetchaosx agreed
I think Sargon and Anita are garbage.
Paraphrase of Anita's statement: "if you're in my line of sight and you don't agree with my opinions, you're harassing me." For God's sake, Anita, there's no need to cry wolf every time you see a dog. Shutting down and belittling people for having dissenting opinions is one of the reasons people don't want to publicly support feminism.
Heath McCasland This person gets it.
Well said.
Heath McCasland I agree 100%
I honestly do not understand her and most Feminists logic in that. Rationale discourse with those who one disagrees is not a bad thing. It actually can help one's position. By understanding the opposite side and why they think that way, that can cause self-introspection. And that can be a good thing. It allows one to figure out if their beliefs or ideas on the world stand up. But who knows? Maybe, I am being crazy in this case. It is why I often categorize most feminists as regressive and poisoning the well, as opposed to sharing it/ adding to that well of knowledge.
One sentence:
"Not knowing the rules doesn't excuse you from breaking them."
In any situation or a public venue, this is true in any circumstances. Otherwise, it's a mess.
It doesn't excuse you from breaking them, but it makes you less of a bad person. These rules aren't really about morality. It's different then saying you didn't know whether or not its okay to kill, because thats obviously not morally okay. Giving your fans 3,000 is morally okay whether or not its against or supporting the rules.
True because all it does is encourages people _not_ to read the rules because if they break one they can just claim to not have known. Rules are only rules if they're enforced without any special treatments.
+Eyral Arkin you're missing my point. Intentions in the venues of such caliber are usually less important than the consequences.
Hypothetical example: I came into the VidCon lobby to give people that came to meet me free merch because they already paid $150 for a ticket, and I don't wanna make them pay more. In the result of a stampede, five people were severely injured.
The fact of giving your fans 3,000 is morally okay.
Creating a dangerous, property-destroying, stampeding mob of 12 to 16 year olds while doing so? Not so much. Especially when you know what the consequences of your actions are going to be in advance.
Rules are there for a reason.
Recommended today! 🔥
Same, but 3 days later
The only garbage human at the women panel at VidCon was Anita Sarkeesian herself.
Harassment or legitimate criticism? Anita Sarkeesian said in one of her first videos, that rescuing a female from kidnappers, for example Mario rescuing the princess in super mario bros, is an act of objectification.
Rescuing women from their captors is objectification of women and sexism...
From that day onward, she kept trying to top herself with more bat shit insane stupidity, and yes, many people felt the need to point out how bat shit insane her arguments were... She has had her comments section disabled on every single one of her videos, ever since that first video.
Anita Sarkeesian does not receive harassment, she receives public backlash for her insane and insulting content which she publishes on the internet. Anita then pretends that this public backlash is misogynistic harassment.
I don't know why Phil didn't mention this fact.
FoetusInYourNoodles Anita is a controversial public figure, so I'm willing to bet she does receive death threats, bullying, and legitimate harassment. The way people treat public figures and celebrities can be abhorrent, but Anita acting as if it's some sexist conspiracy against women and not an issue with how people interact on the internet and with public figures in general is absurd and a misrepresentation of the situation.
FoetusInYourNoodles cuz he wants to be 'neutral'
Anita DOES receive harassment, but tends to come in the form on anonymous threats and trolling. The videos critiquing her arguments should not be conflated as such.
why did Anita come to vidcom?
she can't disable comments there
I like you.
Little Big
She just called someone a shithead and ordered him out. She just silenced someone.
Little Big YOU win the internet today
Little Big well she is a massive hypocritical liar
This is literally my favorite youtube comment ever.
"No because I love men, and I think the idea of 'raise women to power, take the men away from the power' is never going to work out because you need balance...My biggest thing is really sisterhood more than feminism. I don't know how we as women expect men to respect us because we don't seem to respect each other."
--Shailene Woodley
this is all im gonna say
Why not both?
And now she's a feminist....
well what she's describing /is/ feminism-- feminism is not about women over men, it is about equality/equity; an equal respect for women and men
Really? Never saw anything about this.
xzouv, in definition yes,in actual actions,not even near
I think it's stupid how Anita complains about videos talking about feminist figures. Most of those are countering their arguments. That's not harassment, not misogyny, it's a conversation. That's what debate is about.
Anita's arguments are full of holes. She should put her money where her mouth is and seriously respond to these counterarguments with actual facts.
Also "shithead"? Real mature.
I don't agree with harassment, but Anita has absolutely no idea what she's talking (and this has been proven to death by far more logical people than she will ever be). Her concerns aren't entirely non-exist and they do deserve as much light as any other issue, but Anita is NOT a champion for them nor does she truly care about the topics of feminism or equality that she proposes to support.
I'm personally not surprised SHE was the one such drama came up with because she has a history of it. It's unfortunate people treated her like they have (with the threats and such) BUT she stoked those flames. No, I still don't agree with it AT all, but you don't generate that kind of mindless hate by just minding your business or making sense. There are a lot of female feminists that make logical points and get their usual mindless detractors but not on the level of Anita, or even close.
She really should have been kicked out.
Philip I think you need to exercise your roasting powers more often, this was fucking great to watch.
Why did this appear in my notifications 3 years late?
The Sargon/Anita thing is a wierd soap opra drama to me. Anita comes out of this looking like a hypocrite . Despite her comments afterward, it's just damage control. She knows that she just reacted and reacted badly to Sargon being there. Sargon himself posted a video saying that he went to the panel to get an idea of how he could approach Anita and other feminist with his arguments in a way that they would accept.
But the best part of the whole thing is how Sargon and the other skeptics have reacted to the incident. Sargon started wearing a hat (probably made by Jeff Holiday) with "Garbage Human" on it. A few in the Skeptic Community have started calling their community "The Landfill". Not just Sargon but most of the live streams I've watched from vidcon show all of them embracing the term Garbage Human as a moniker. Mind you these people were calling themselves the TH-cam Villains before they ever got to VidCon. This is probably the biggest difference between the two sides: The Feminist get called a name and they cry. The Skeptics get called a name, and they meme it.
Yeah. He talked about it today on Joe Rogans livestream and i am laughing my ass off.
I personally think Logan Paul is in the wrong here. Sure, he didn't get invited so he wanted to still show up, but you have to understand the problems that can cause. And it seemed like he wanted to make a huge ruckus with everyone crowding around him. Having hundreds of people running around can be very unsafe for those who are just looking for a good time at VidCon. People could have easily gotten hurt or even trampled on. That's just my opinion.
he has no control over his fans and it still wasn't a good enough reason for security to "tackle" him
Spot on!
He acted like an idiot... people could've been serioulsy injured.
I definitely agree with you. Wasn't there something similar to this that happened just a year or two ago? Where someone had fans running wild at vidcon for some sort of scavenger hunt, that was so dangerous that they had it shut down?
That person back then was in the wrong, and Logan Paul is in the wrong here, too. You would think that even though he wasn't invited, he would've been at least somewhat responsible and tried to look into some of these things first... Oh wait.
When you become a TH-camr with 5 million plus subs, you gotta think about more than just yourself. There were people who most likely traveled to VidCon just to see Logan. And if you see him, you are going to do everything in your power to interact with him. So now you and hundreds of others are in a stamped to get Logan's attention. Yes, the craziness is partly because of fans, but it is also due to Logan being there to begin with. And all the security sees is someone causing a lot of trouble. He doesn't know who Logan is.
I'm not convinced he actually got tackled. It looks like he had multiple people hanging on to him, escorting him away and one went down and pulled the whole group down.
So the day after Anita bullies someone, she's on a panel talking about bullying. Sargon is _critical_ of Anita, and being critical of someone in the public eye is neither harassment nor is it bullying. Calling someone in the audience a "garbage person" is not being critical, it's being an ass. Logan Paul showed about as much respect to the Vidcon event and staff as he has his own work/audience, none. And broke ass Justin Bieber doesn't deserve a comment. I'm sure Anita would have something to say, though.
Nice comment dude
The same Sargon who can't read the first paragraph of literally anything he cites as a source? That Sargon?
I don't like Anita, but Sargon still is garbage. How come that he can't take some heat himself?
Biagio Petruccelli
he can, hes making fun of it
your jollies are undeserved
I see what you're saying, and I'm glad that you would personally attend the panels of someone you've clashed with in order to keep an open mind, but I think you're giving a lot of benefit of the doubt to other people in assuming they'd be the same way.
Take as an example, over the last year and a half I've had a particular person harass me across every single social platform on which I'm present - over that period the messages have developed from common or garden creepy, to threatening suicide, to violent/sexually threatening, to just the same innocuous phrase 800+ times over one night, to at least one message every day for the entirety of 2016 and beyond. By the end they were just leaving a single word on any and every post I made anywhere; it in itself didn't mean anything, but (like an anti-safeword) it was the culmination of all of those horrible things that came earlier and served as a deliberate reminder that no matter where I went or what I did I wouldn't be able to escape it.
Clearly it's different, but you can see how something which, from an outside perspective, looks harmless can be perceived as immensely threatening with the whole picture in mind. I'm making no comment on whether what Sarkeesian said was just, but I certainly have empathy towards someone who, when feeling understandably vulnerable and threatened (whether that was intended against them or not), reacted with defensive anger.
About the feminist lady (who I don't watch, much less heard of), I think it's hypocritical to go to the UN, talk about harassment and bullying, then call someone garbage.
Being hypocritical is her livelihood. She's been presenting herself as a gamer for years whilst making claims of sexism and discrimination in video games. Yet there's video evidence of her saying she's not a fan of video games and had to do a lot of research on games and gamer culture for her 'work'.
Not even kidding, you're more reliable than most news stations
As an (actually) abused woman myself - I see Anit as the worst sort of feminist, who literally profits off of being a Victim. Sargon critiques her platforms, he exposes her lies, he asks people to take a good look at what this sort of activist is actually doing for womens rights and he also does it in a very logical, calm and FACTUAL way. Please look into Anita and maybe listen to some of her critics. She is NOT being Abused, she is being Exposed for the hypocritical, dishonest and lowly scammer she is. If you don't know about these two or what they stand for, please stop commenting until you do some research into both. Thanks.
I love how fair and honest you are on this show... not something you see everyday, especially with people who are famous via social media. Love it.
In Logan Paul's case I'd say he's at fault. When you know your fan base is a bunch of crazy 12-year olds, you shouldn't pull shit like that. His core fan base would run up to him and scream, whilst your core fan base would say "Hey, it's Phil!" And shake your hand. He's at fault.
I think if you show up somewhere with the intent to cause a scene and someone gets hurt in said scene, you are at fault.
I mean i completely agree that he's at fault, he did some crazy stuff that he should've known would cause a ruckus and is exactly what vidcon wants to avoid, but blaming it on what his audience is comprised of isn't exactly fair. Regardless of the age of your largest viewer base, be it 8 year olds or 72 year olds, the creators should be treated equally as if they did the same stuff.
FratinandMadrik
I was at Phil's meet-up in London a couple years back and he didn't have security or anything as he didn't think he needed it but yeah, we were all older than 12 but we still crowded him (I was towards the back/middle so I actually was trying to get people to give him space but I'm just one small person) and tried to get a pic/signature, he fled the scene as it was a safety and security risk, which is why eventually he came back and you had to get a pass as he had to pay for security... so no, this just happens with anyone any age who has a large audience, which kinda proves your point even strongly, if (mostly) calm and collected mostly 16-30 year olds can still put Phil in harms way, a bunch of 12 year olds are even worse.
Anita doesn't know the difference between criticism and harassment. Honestly she needs to be called out for all her lies, manipulation, and the scams she has pulled.
It scares me how much money people give her for no reason.
Anita needs her platform revoked.
why was this recommended today?...
"Blue collar, you mean the life blood of America"
Amen
Amen
I think Spider Man said it best "With great power, Comes great responsibility."
WaffleKing1856 *Uncle Ben*
spider man didnt say that
WaffleKing1856 True. It applies then and more importantly now.
lmfao
it was uncle ben tho
I have no sympathy for Anita. She goes on line, shoots her mouth off, and then when people express opposing viewpoints she calls it harassment. I am embarrassed that she's a Canadian.
You have no idea how many girls follow her in Vancouver, now UBC is fostering a sensitive politically correct environment where any attempt at criticism is tied to anti-feminists or right wing politics.
yiwei wu I actually didn't go to ubc cus I was scared of that.
And we just lost another talent :(
McMahonHater We're all embarrassed.
Anita was completely out of line especially considering her panel was supposedly about anti-bullying she even went so far as to bully another one of her panelists in the same day simply for disagreeing with her.
But it's no shock because that's how she makes her money. Anita is a professional victim she goes out of her way to make ridiculous claims claiming that other people (initially gamers and game designers) are all racist and sexist then when anyone dares to do as much as say "no I think you're wrong and here's why..." suddenly she's the victim.
What a shock, Vidcon did nothing and that's because it's gotten to the point that big companies and organizations are scared of being called racist or sexist since those labels are flung around so loosely now as to have effectively lost any meaning other than you dared disagree with a social justice warrior on something.
harassment lever you get $100,000+.
Candi Chris
I'm pretty sure Boogie has suffered more than she has. He's had hits carried out on his life and been abused by his own mother.
Difference is that Boogie doesn't treat people like shit simply because life dealt him a shitty hand like Anita does. Plus Anita provokes people intentionally so she can play the harassment card. She's proven that she's everything she supposedly hates.
Candi Chris So she has every right to bully her critics?
Making valid points criticizing someone IS NOT harassment! Simply sitting in the front row listening to someone speak also IS NOT harassment! How these people have such little self-awareness is just beyond me.
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But muh feelz.
Anita is what I drop in the toilet twice a day.
I love how she seemed to only expect adoring fans in the crowd. If you challenge points online and people have the chance to personally tell you their opinions on the matter they will fucking do so.
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Anita is in the wrong. Sargon even went so far to put in at the end of a couple of his videos saying "dont visit the people he critizied."
She ended the conversation to people who are critical of her. Then proceeded to slander and lie about someone who didn't even say anything to her.
"Anita is a comedian..."
That is quite the stretch there Phil
it is funny watching her being so stupid at literally anything she talks about.
What else would you call a person who makes up ridiculous stories that make thousands of people piss their pants from laughing?
He meant Canadian.
That's what I thought he said, but after a review he does actually say "Canadian."
She is a real comedian guys, im srs
shes a living joke
These are the women who give feminism a bad name! There's important women who stand up for ACTUAL issues and then there's women like this who are the problem! She also attacked Boogie who is literally one of the nicest you tubers! I wonder if phillip will follow up on what happened to Boogie???
No, seriously man. Actual competent feminists exist, not like those ignorant, loud, and obnoxious ones that scream in your face if you say hi to them.
Link or it didn't happen.
Nicole ladybeast7 I totally agree. Women like these who claim to be “feminists” give the actual ones a horrible reputation.
Ironic how he called himself famous because he had 29k followers on Insta now the security guard has twice the followers and the model is losing all his followers
''Anti-Bullying, Anti-Harrasing'' *Starts talking shit about somebody on Public Event'' Wow... Ironic
Seems to be a common thing amoung far-left people who call themselves "anti-something" (Anti-fascists being fascist as fuck, anti-racists being racist as fuck) It's like they claim those titles just to excuse their bigotry. "I can't be a bigot, I'm anti-bigots!"
You don't know the history between them.
corvus13 regardless it's hypocritical. not to mention it was someone in the crowd not even asking questions. I feel that VidCon should remove her.
She made some assertions about sexism. He made some videos saying that he disagreed with her findings. That is the history between them.
corvus13 doesnt matter if he had seen her in his panel and called her a garbage human he would be thrown away.
Logan Paul should be banned that's needless
Three years later and no idea why this video was recommended. I remember watching it live. Funny how this all played out overtime
Its funny she mention Franchesca Ramsey. One of the people there named Andy Warski has made far, far more videos and harsher criticism of Franchesca Ramsey than Sargon had of Sarkeesian. However at vidcon Andy and Franny met up, had a long conversation 1 to 1, made a huge deal of progress, and managed to put aside their huge dislike of each other. They acted incredibly maturely, made a lot of progress, and nobody felt "harassed" "intimidated" or any other form of victimhood. Anita needs to stop speaking for other people, she was wrong about Franny, she was wrong about rape victims, she was wrong about cripples, she was wrong with just about every single group she tries to speak for. Especially when the latter two are openly begging her to stop.
C'mon world, we need more women like Olivia here!
If you haven't seen it yet, Andy did a podcast today listening to a podcast that Frannie did. Sounded like she was saying he was groveling for her to forgive him or some nonsense and saying that he was trying to use her for superchat money or something. Could be wrong, only listened to around 5 minutes or so, but didn't sound flattering for Franny from what I heard
Okay just out of morbid curiosity, what exactly did she say about rape victims and cripples?
+SDW175 I hope that's not the case :( It legitimately sounded like something positive was happening. I mean shit, Andy gets more views than she does, if anything its her channel "leeching" off his not the other way round. I do genuinely wonder if she says things like that for attention and views, and by extension if she was two faced about the Vidcon incident if she also did that for attention and views. Its quite obvious why he was cautious around her, she constantly goes off on one any time he so much as hints that she might be wrong but to flip that and an explanation as to how normal social interactions (ie. jokes) work into "grovelling" seems pathetic.
+MsAJ92 She is constantly trying to exploit it for attention and victimhood points, despite not being a victim of either. She sits there making up how terrible the world and the police forces are towards rape victims (quite the opposite in my experience) and is constantly supporting and promoting people who have been caught out and categorically proven to be lying about having been raped along the same lines as "listen and believe" even though common sense would suggest that it might create a backlash towards anyone claiming to have been raped in the future, and people less likely to actually believe it. She constantly flips out about rape jokes and demands we all start believing that they are entirely unacceptable and damaging to rape victims, despite rape victims being some of the biggest purveyors of rape jokes due to their known benefits to recovery. Essentially the only people supporting her behaviour regarding rape are those who haven't been raped. Almost every rape victim I know (dozens upon dozens) strongly despises either Anita's approach to rape itself or those with the same approach Anita takes. It is known by both the experts in rape victim psychology and the victims themselves that her suggestions are some of the very worst one can follow.
As for cripples, she uses the same tactics of attempting to be the spokesperson for cripples as a form of exploiting it for attention and money whilst exclusively saying things the huge majority of cripples disagree with. A society which is both forced to support all disabilities at huge cost to itself or face even larger fines whilst simultaneously being given quotas and grants to encourage hiring of cripples isn't "deeply problematic" or attacking cripples in any way. If anything society is too far the other way, small businesses shouldn't be forced to pay tens of thousands of dollars they can't afford just so 0.6% of the population in a wheelchair don't have to ask for a little assistance. Or forcing disabled bathrooms in clothing stores and those unrelated to using a restroom (again tens of thousands of dollars). Or even forcing gyms, athletics stadiums and general sports training centres to add a wheelchair ramp or elevator next to every set of stairs just in case a cripple in a wheelchair decides to train in a specialized facility for the 100m sprint and doesn't want to ask a willing member of staff for help. Seriously, this is the state of it right now. And of course cripples getting preferentially hired above others at a significantly disproportionate rate far higher than the number of disabled in the country (and ignoring that many disabled like myself can't even work anyway making the numbers even worse) and giving grants or fines to companies based upon that number. All of it suggests society is broken trying to bend over backwards for cripples. And the biggest complaint of the again dozens upon dozens of cripples I've asked (support groups are a hell of a place for that sort of thing), that people treat them overly nice and they'd simply like to pretend to be a normal person. Again its a case of Anita saying a bunch of lies which bears no relation to reality, asking for the very opposite of the desires of the group she intends to exploit, and generally making life noticeably worse for both the group she is "helping" and the rest of the world forced to bend to her whims and slowly getting pissed off at the group she claims to speak for.
Basically she is exploiting both, she is doing the opposite those she "speaks for" desire in both, she is making things very noticeably worse for both, and I'm sure its quite clear how much I dislike her behaviour. Exploiting other people's life-ruining problems for attention and money is bad enough, but damaging their lives in addition to that is a lot worse especially when her sole claim to authority is that other people are the damaging ones.
Olivia Lambert unfortunately Franny went on a podcast and badmouthed Andy right after that lol
Vidcon seems like the actual worst con in the world.
Isn't there a minecraft con
yeah but you never hear about this kind of shit at Minecon
Mikah Jerome Have you ever heard about the story of Dashcon?
The problem with Anita's statement is that she was clearly the inciter of that incident, she was in a position of power having a microphone and being a panel host and yet her statement implies she was the victim of something that simply did not happen. She wasn't harassed in this scenario and the people sitting peacefully in the audience had every right to be there. You cannot claim to be the victim and also be the inciter, that makes no sense.
Personally I think Anita is in the wrong. She really should try and have a discussion with him instead of call him a shit head. Her saying that stuff like really makes her argument and her causes less reputable. But yet again that's just me
Also I do think what Anita did should get her banned from vidcon
She gets money from playing the victim so she will never admit when she is wrong. Her video series is awful and contains plenty of factual errors.
You all don't know what you're talking about, because if you did, you'd know she's only responding to a harrasser who has done much worse than call her a name in a panel. Honestly, had I been Sarkeesian, I'd have straight-up asked for security to remove that human trash from the premise.
Sargon is a fucking waste of a human being.
+Nadia Rey He has never harassed her. You're just making shit up. Responding to someone isn't harassment. But we already know that Anita can't stand criticism.
Oh for Pete's sake. Yes, he has harrassed her. All of these self-appointed critics are harrassers, not only of her but of anyone enjoying her videos. The same people who will cry for open debate yet their so-called critic rarely survives scrutiny or goes beyond calling the girl insults or claiming she is a "con artist" (she isn't, don't even try going there, I'll own you). And people like Sargon egged it on all the way... for five fucking years. Look up her name in google or youtube so you can see the extent ignorant people would go to harrass this girl, because she *dared* said she'd give opinion (gasp! That evil wrench!) on sexism in games...
...or watch one of hbomberguy videos on feminism. That works too.
Critique = harassment in a feminist's eyes.
Well, most criticism Sarkeesian receives that gains any traction points at bad logic, bad facts, stolen footage, or straight up the fact that she didn't finish the content she promised on her kickstarter despite getting overfunded. And she has a history of painting any criticism as misogynist or "targeting women", this is just her sticking to what has worked for her in the past.
Blaming the person who exposed you as wrong dishonest and deliberately misguiding for people poorly reacting to it is fucked up, kind of the Daddy Of Five fans attacking Phil.
Dude! he didnt make you fuck up, he didnt make you dishonest, he did not make your behaviour unacceptable! you did that! he only made your misconduct known to the public! This shit is like claiming the witnesses who testified in your trial for murdering someone in the middle of a busy street where harassing and targeting you and are culpable for your conviction.
Also claiming people who disagree with her silently and politely listening at what she has to say is a form of gaslighting paints a concerning picture of her attitudes towards public debate.
Reminds me of Hillary blaming the Russians for all the leaks showing her party's misdeeds, ignoring the misdeeds themselves.
So..... she's a stuck up bitch? What's new....
Miquel Vico the same person who didn't finish his kick starter? Ha ha.
agreed. but trump does the same thing lets not forget. arguably a lot more as well. god that was a shitty election.
Miquel Vico this comment needs more upvotes. phill needs to read this one on friday.
My grandpa once told me, "With great power comes great responsibility.". He was murdered shortly after in a carjacking. RIP. Uncle Ben. :(
urmaker he made good rice. Rip in peace.
wtf your family is full of inbreeding fucks
LOLOL
Anyone else get this recommended 4 years later?
same lmaooo
*hates bullying and wants it to be stopped*
*proceeds ti call someone a shithead*
you're not going to fix that
*to
***tu
****2
People need to realize the internet is not a safe space but also realize the internet has consequences for your actions.
That cry-bully just attacked some who said nothing, going out of her way to get a reaction from him. How can anyone take feminism seriously anymore?
DucksFanSinceBirth The problem is they're not feminists. It's like the Westboro Baptist Church claiming they're Christians, as a shallow cover for their hatred. Old school feminism is grand, and I hate that these assholes are ruining the movement's credibility
Remember, she does not represent all the feminists.
Thank you. I'm blue collar and proud! Tired of people using it as something negative.
Why do people hate Defranco??? He is super nice and is just sharing his opinion. His channel is like 7 news but way more entertaining to watch and is reallly relatable
That's the thing, he shares his opinion. And some people don't like his opinions because they lean the opposite way to their own beliefs.
I personally love that he shares his opinions even if I disagree with him, because that's how he explicitly draws the line between fact and opinion. It makes him more trustworthy than any mainstream or partisan media outlet.
Cognitive dissonance.
Shiv Patel jealousy, fame, the usual
For some people Phil is to far to the left for them and for others Phil is to far too the right politically. He refuses to go to hard on the President when it isn't warranted and tends to disagree with the growing SJW and far left movements. He chooses to use logic in a world where logic is dying.
Shiv Patel are u from Australia
harassment? Criticism is not harassment.
Exactly! And yet it seems that so many young people today think that anyone sharing an apposing opinion is harassing or upsetting them and should be silenced. Witness what happens on all those college campuses. It's like a child throwing a temper tantrum and their parents always giving in. The shock those people will receive when they finally get out in the real world, where tantrums and disagreeing with your boss will get you fired, will be like a bomb to their coddled fragile psyches unless they wise up.
His name is Christian and he wanted him crucified
IRONIC
Stain HA, Quality
That last story with the model... It's poetic justice.
So let me get this right, she constantly talks about how strong she is as a woman, but then the mere presence of sargon triggered her so much that she had to attack him....
I hate how she shuts down people asking her questions, and then sais she's trying to "have a conversation".
Kasslim She is behaving like a Soviet Communist party official.
Just going to point out that Sarkeesian isn't the one that asked to have that first dude removed. Also his question was just stupid.
Kohana006 not necessarily, he was trying to start a debate but she dismissed him
why....... would u start a debate In A Question Panel? if u had half a brain, u would know it was inappropriate.
What are you talking about? Of course she wants to start a conversation, just with people who already agree with her...
I'm blue collar as fuck and England is my city.
Sham Wow lol
Hahahaha like Jake Paul's song lyrics.
But it that blue collar popped???!!
Why would someone attack, or harass, someone because a celebrity, or anyone, doesn't like someone... that's freaking crazy to me
Anita Sarkeesian in the thumbnail? Well look like the comment sections going to be crazy.
Better question is when has Anita ever been right? If she could even not come off as a hypocrite for a day, I'd be impressed.
Wotornot i could count the amount of times she has been right on one finger. and not because she has ever been right, just because i want to flip her off
I think she makes a lot of good points, but presents them terribly.
I've met Christian in real life's handful of times since we live in similar areas and from my experience he's always been a total douchebag. I'm not surprised.
Emily Chiddy can you elaborate on your experiences, I'm curious on what else he did lol.
burgerkillsyou yeah he is honestly just super self absorbed. The first thing he ever said to me was that he was Instagram famous. He made fun of my friend for following more people on Instagram than followers she had. He also tried to hook up with a friend of mine and became very rude after she explained that she had a boyfriend. He's just generally very egotistical and a bit of a douchebag
Logan Paul is no better than that "IG Model"...he was just feeding his own ego, causing a scene so he could bask in his 'fame' and hype at the expense of safety and security. It was a totally calculated move; Logan should feel ashamed of himself.
Looks like you've predicted the future, dude. A few months after this he filmed himself and his scumbag friends laughing at/making jokes about a deceased man in the Japanese Suicide Forest. It was the most callous thing I've ever seen (and that's saying a lot).
I have no doubt that Anita has been the subject of lots of unwarranted harassment. However, it is hard to feel bad for her because she seems to reveal in paying the victim card to gain support and profit. When it comes to having her kicked of the panel I am in agreement, but at the same time I hate that's its what she wants to happen.
They won't kick her out because then they'd suffer a huge backlash from feminists and nobody wants to deal with that shit.
Matt Murray "unwarranted" good joke
"unwarranted" Lol? She warranted all of it. I Personally would never go and harass her, but shes done so much to put herself in that position. And then once again she clearly shows her hypocrisy by randomly harassing someone.
@Matt
The Green Brothers are too left for the victim points to be worth it. Don't get me wrong, they're there and she'll take them if they come but the left gets power from solidarity. In-fighting would be terrible for them.
@Beayn
It'll look really bad if the Greens shirk their own rules for simply agreeing politically. It'll kill their legitimacy of the event as a platform. You're probably right that they'll show her some favor, but they'll at least give her a slap on the wrist if they have any awareness.
No. Most girls just want to play an awesome game without "boobs in our faces" & she spoke up on it.
She did a decent job there. It would be the same if the industry constantly pushed "dicks in guys' faces", some dude speaks up about it & gets harassed about it for years.
Also, the "oppressed white male" is so over the top, ridiculous & utterly laughable. Come back when at least a third to half of the dudes around you have been thrown around, verbally abused or raped at some point in their past.
What Logan Paul did was obviously careless, stupid, and dangerous. The way he laughed while running from security shows very clearly that he has mistaken his fame for godliness. He sees his fans as both validation of that godliness, and as a protective barrier through which the rest of society must break before he is ever to be held accountable.
Logan Paul knew exactly what the reaction would be and was counting on it. You don't do stunts like that not expecting that reaction. So yes, he should be held accountable. It was premeditated.
Mitchell Guthrie for the views
I think the one of the most famous examples of a fan doing something in the name of a celebrity; is when John Hinckley tried to kill Reagan for Jodie Foster. another famous example is when Mark Chapman shot John Lennon and started reading Catcher in the Rye. I don't believe either example should be blamed on their respective celebrities, but on the disturbed persons who committed those crimes. The only time that a youtuber should be held responsible is if they explicitly tell fans to do something illegal. If you don't believe these examples don't hold any ground in the argument that youtuber's should be held responsible for what their fans do. I can't think of any other arguments other than those two.
Logan Paul totally knew what he was doing. It's not the first time he's created swarms of kids to get a laugh. Just like when Pokémon go came out he did a prank then. It's just a matter of time till a stunt does go wrong and someone gets hurt.
ikeelevenable hes so full of bullshit. he's a good liar.
If you tell your fans to do something without proper precaution or bait them to do something you take on some responsibility.
Not sure which side you're taking, but it's worth noting, Sargon has said repeatedly that he does not condone or support in any manner, any form of harassment from his fans, or people acting in his name, against anyone at all. Anita, on the other hand, literally begged people to harass others for her.
Wolf Blade This was about Logan Paul.
Might be talking about the Logan Paul & Ricegum stuff.
Wolf Blade I think he was talking about the Logan Paul question more near the end of the video
Anita tries to make women look pathetic, and plays a pathetic act. She is one of the worst figureheads of Feminism.
I wish people could take two seconds to look up the difference between feminism and radical feminism
You're going to need a lot longer than two seconds.
Face it, the movement has been hijacked for decades.
I'm with the CIA person on this. Feminism had evolved into this simple-minded cult of hatred in the same vein as religion, where you have to step on the most ridiculous of egg shells to remain being accepted. It has far left behind its dictionary definition that's sited all the time. I found it best to drop the term and all the baggage that comes with it and embrace the term "egalitarian".
Michael Edwards
That would be giving in then, wouldn't it? We should be restoring the name for figures like Elizabeth Cady Stanton who fought for women's rights, not to shy away from feminazis. We're letting them tarnish the name and erase what women long ago have worked for to build this country.
It's a problem of semantics. Both sides are making the mistake of ignoring that the other side's use of the term isn't any less valid than theirs.
Feminism CAN be used to refer to sexual egalitarianism.
Feminism CAN be used to refer to the social movement of people who call themselves feminists, even if they're not egalitarian.
People just need to understand that the two definitions of feminism aren't equivalent.
The use of the word "feminism" is often misleading because of this, but it's not wrong. I do agree with Michael to an extent - calling yourself an egalitarian can help get rid of the ambiguity in some ways, but then you just have even more ambiguity because both people who believe in equal rights and opportunity (libertarians, anarcho-communists) and people who believe in equal outcomes (stalinists, SJWs) both call themselves egalitarian.
Nathan Gamble the difference is feminism focus on women's rights and egalitarians focus on everyone's rights including men's rights. I agree that they're both valid but you can't put them in the same boat. That's really not fair.
I tend to subscribe to the Spiderman principle: "With great power, comes great responsibility". If you weald the power of fame irresponsibly, and put other people in danger because of that... Then that's on you.
Interesting point
That is retarded. Humans have autonomy for their OWN actions. If I become famous and people like me if I say anything critically negative about someone on Social media that doesn't mean: "Hey, fans go dogpile this person" Criticism is not harassment. Nor is it code: "Initiate harassment"
Why does Christian Burns look like a paintbrush bro
I really hate the "they're just stupid teens with undeveloped brains" excuse. I'm 15 and nothing in my life would make me chase a 23-year-old though a fountain through a stampede of hundreds of people. He's just a person who got luckier than other people. Not a god.
Same !!! I'm fifteen and I am not that obsessed with anyone to put myself in a situation like that tbh
that's what they all say before people like him talks to you. There are whole meme genres based on that
I remember when I was around 13 my class and I were on a fieldtrip I saw my favorite actor at the time and I wanted to go meet him but I don't really care if famous people notice me. Seconds later my class almost tackles him and I was the only one that got his autograph. Guess it pays to not be savage.
i see, just because you do or dont do something, specifically and personally, means the rest of the world should be like that and is weird if not. That really is a 15yo thought process ;)
You're right personally I don't feel the need to potentially injure myself just to meet an otherwise regular person. Sorry my bad.
Mr. DeFranco, thank you for acknowledging the hypocrisy involved in the situation.