Hope you have a great covfefe you beautiful bastards! Also if possible try to keep the comment section...well...the opposite of what we saw in those videos.
Okay these students are pretty much bullying faculty at this point. I'm all for equality and inclusion, but if the man had claustrophobia legitimately that's belittling mental health.
somecallmetim451 Let's not forget that they're doing this and then demanding that he write ALL faculty members to excuse the kids bullying him from turning in assignments on time.
somecallmetim451 i work in a factory and i've seen at least 5 people get escorted out after being fired for screaming at the supervisor saying he was mansplaining or racist. They didn't think they should have to do a job they didn't like lol. Only had the cops show up once though
He said he was going to do it and fix it, and they were still not satisfied with that and found ANYTHING to be mad at because they want to be victims sooo badly. Its pathetic
It seems to me like a mass overreaction. Maybe there were issues before this and they are responding to a build up of tensions. I wouldnt support asking a "race" of students to leave school if they had no intention to participate or didnt want to miss class.
If I am having open heart surgery then I hope the person who is operating on me to have gotten the job on merit alone, and not someone who came in second but got hired instead to fill some sort of race quota.
Amusingly, there's an episode of Scrubs that pokes fun at that scenario. Turk, a black surgeon, is suddenly hailed as the only important doctor in the clinic because of his skin color.
Oh my fucking god, that campus video made me irrationally angry. I'd describe myself as very liberal, but holy shit, how do they not realize they're the racist ones in that situation.
RandomGuy and like, it's not even about racism at this point. its about the fact that these *children* are screaming at their professor who is obviously attempting to address the situation calmly and to make amends over hurting people's feelings. that pissed me off so much. how can you expect anyone to listen and take you seriously when you refuse to be calm??? Just such a stupid situation all around and they cant even punish the kids without getting told they're being racist or having riots.
I think maybe they're overly sensitive and not really listening. The whole situation was unnecessary and everyone was overreacting. Inviting people to join in protest is ok. Employing people based on merit is ok.
This was really depressing to me. As a french and a convinced socialist, I hope I'll never see such things in my country. This people are IN LOVE with conflict, they're power hungry morons
I go to a fairly liberal university in the U.K., but if that was done to a lecturer here, those students would be expelled for harassment and threats to faculty
I think that would be the best idea. College is supposed to prepare people for the real world. If they just coddle them, then I can only alone what will happen when they do this with their boss.
I go to a liberal university in the U.S and these students would definitely have been expelled as well. The staff may be hesitant to take disciplinary action on such a heated racial issue. They're probably afraid of escalating the situation. I don't really agree with that logic, but I also don't have to worry about the university's reputation while being screamed at and harassed.
These students are out of line. The teacher pushed for facility to be hired for their qualifications, not their skin color- *that's the exact opposite of racism*. Then the teacher says that maybe part of the college shouldn't be *forced* off the campus for a day, _and they stop him and yell at him?!_ Not to mention how rude and insulting they were to the school president.
As a black woman who firmly believes in the uplifting and accountability of my race through means of protest and activism, I am livid at whats happening at that college. All I see is blind misplaced rage. Kids fighting a fight against people not threatning them in any way. The blatant hypocrisy is astounding and disturbing. Most of them probably view themselves as the new wave liberal and activist counter culture but I see nothing here that reflects their supposed message. Theyre crude, threatning, and obnoxious. I understand anger or feeling as though you are not being heard or understood. But being able to step back and put emotions aside to actually create an atmosphere of discussion and to actually move forward is the way to go. In essence let go so you can move forward. Its like they read the email, only saw "no" and went from there without critically thinking.
It feels as if everything is moving backwards, not forwards. If they have concerns, that's fine but they should be open to mature discussions rather than riots
I don't blame you. I'm disgusted with them too. Personally I feel that there should have been arrests and charges filed. I always thought college was a place to safely explore your new adulthood . To form your opinions separate from your parents. To decide if you agree or disagree with them. To talk to others about issues. To convince them your side is the right one or to be convinced theirs is right. To be passionate about issues important to you but not to actually threaten others.
I'm late, but I hope these students see the backlash they've created and actually take everyone's rational comments into consideration because this behavior is completely unacceptable.
I am very confused by this college professor story. From what I have gathered, these students are rallying against someone who wants them to have educated professors no matter the color of their skin and for people to not be oppressed. So basically they are hurting someone who is only trying to help them. Also they obviously don't know about respect because they are demanding things from educators in such a hostile way that will get them nowhere, as if they deserve it just because of their skin color which doesn't seem right, but who am I to judge I don't know them or the full situation
I believe that this a no-win scenario for either side. On the one hand, it's pretty well-known that minorities tend to be at primarily, an economic disadvantage. Let's take an FSU graduate versus a graduate from FAMU (Florida State University and Florida Agricultural and Mechanical University) applying for the same position - FSU has a primarily white (albeit mostly female) enrollment, whereas FAMU is mostly black. If you hire the FSU alumni that has that same qualifications due strictly to the prestige of the university, you're accused of racism. If you hire the black graduate from FAMU, you're accused of playing the diversity game.
goodby guy They don't want equality, the want "equity and "restorative justice" and "equality of outcome". in other words, revenge and communism. it's...not good.
It is true equality if the nurture and development of skill isn't itself affected by skin colour. It's typical lazy reasoning and where these people overshoot, you do no better and undershoot. Complex questions rarely have easy answers. Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying I have a better answer. I am just saying your answer is shit.
they're logic is colored people deserve the job but not the people who have the skill this is why I don't like to socialize with other people cause sometimes what they say are stupid
edtExodus Or that it oversimplified it to one variable. Are you saying that staff hired at a college needs more than the requirement scale of talent? Or are you saying that hiring standards should be altered to make for another variable besides teaching talent and skill?
And somehow diversity of opinion depends on the person's own skin colour? And are you implying that people of colour somehow have different thoughts and ideas than the rest? How does that work?
They don't want to turn in their assignments? Flunk em all, make em pay for an extra semester and show them how the real world works. I'm anti-racism but I'm also college educated and I know better.
exactly. Do you think you can just push deadlines back in the real world? If my boss is expecting me to have a report on a company done tomorrow, it has to be done tomorrow, or else im in trouble. Thats how the real world works! I say flunk em!
rationalmuscle Don't inflate the left, just like people shouldn't inflate the right. I'm left-leaning but I thought the reaction to his email was absolutely ridiculous.
+rationalmuscle Don't suppose you caught that part of the video where it was explained the guy they were calling racist was also on the left, did you? Edit: rationalmuscle clarified later in the comment thread that he meant SJW's rather than all liberals.
They didn't even allow the man to have a conversation!!! They are taking it to a new level...wtf this is straight bullying...FOH!!!! Ppl get me so mad 🙄😡
When the students stormed the Dean's office, and were presenting their demands, it seemed to me like they just wanted to get out of doing their homework.
I understand that racism is still a real thing but these people don't seem to really grasp the real meaning of the concept. This teacher literally talked about how he wanted the best faculty for the university regardless of skin colour, just because he said the teacher doesn't have to be black doesn't mean this guy is racist. Having diversity in school is amazing but whether you're black white or green doesn't mean they should hire you over someone that more qualified for the job. Honestly it makes me think like this students just felt like creating an unnecessary conflict.
Racism has, and will always exist. It's natural for a person to look up upon another for certain qualities, just like it's natural to be against something you don't understand, or are ill-informed, or simply just prefer to be racist and ignorant, like these people on the campus.
Cristina Ruiz de Velasco I totally agree with everything you have stated. What this reminds me of is when affirmative action started and how it split the nation. I find it to be crazy to hire an educator that is not the best candidate for the position😧 This country pushes me further & further in a deep depression by the actions of so many people. From this to the Portland attack; my soul breaks for the great people of this country. Anyway great comment! 💖💓 from, @jaimeedianna 💕 #xoxo
that point when you said "its things like these that pushed me away from being a liberal" is so accurate and relevant today. many people must feel this way too.
I'm disappointed in those students, being a college student myself it is blatantly obvious that there wasnt any formal or organized effort to achieving their goal... they didn't let anyone on the opposite side participate in the conversation. there was just a lot of yelling and was hard to watch.
Naeemah Mccants Yeah, in the beginning when the professor asked if they wanted to hear his answer, they all yelled, "NOO!" How does that help them? What is the next generation going to learn from their parents if they're still children? I'm genuinely scared what America is coming to.
You are right we lack mutual communication. I agree with you - it was very hard to watch. The problem is what they were saying maybe 100% valid but you didn't hear because of how they delivered it.
I signed in just to reply to your comment... how is what they are saying 100% valid explain to me. One group asking for absence of another group is oppression, he is against that, explain to me how is that racisim...
I would say demanding white people not be on campus for a day is absurd and racist. Its not cool or progressive it's straight up racism and those student behavior is borderline expulsion material
As someone who transferred away from Evergreen to another school, this is not uncommon behavior for the student body there. They are what many would consider stereotypical professional victims.
These students' actions are unacceptable. They are speaking out against a guy who didn't want to leave the school *based on the color of his skin*, how is that in anyway racist? More so they stop him, refuse to let him speak, and insult the teacher and the school president over a statement against hiring teachers based on their qualifications, *not their race*. The facility and staff need to have consequences for these people.
That is is why I did not go, I used to consider myself very much liberal, now I consider myself a moderate liberal,after seeing students like this it made me realize just how much they shoot themselves in the foot with what they say.
Yeah. I live near Evergreen, and it's sort of a joke college. When people ask where people want to go to college, many say, "oh definitely Evergreen." Edit: This of course, is a sarcastic statement.
Liberal arts actually does not mean liberal in the political sense, though a lot of people seem to have that misconception. It actually means a college in which your core classes taken by every student hit a variety of different subjects rather than focusing on courses towards your major. This means as part of the core system everyone has to dabble a little bit in every subject much like prior schooling. For example I am a English major, At the liberal arts school that I attend as part of my core I had to take two science courses, a math course, and a sociology course to name a few. I personally find the structure of a liberal arts education to be great as I am not taking every single one of my courses for every semester for every year in one subject. I am able to mix things up a little with a subject that is out of the norm for me but still teaches me valuable information. What many feel to realize is that a liberal arts school encompasses many educational institutions even if they do not have that label at their forefront. Generally most arts or science focused institutions are liberal arts in the Way that they have students getting a broad general knowledge of many subjects. This is in contrast of course to a technical or trade school which one is learning one specific trade over a shorter period of time.
Castiel Winchester It's interesting, because the school I went to (an actual art school) does exactly that. Both private and public art schools actually follow that pattern. It's very useful and interesting. However, the behaviour displayed by these students would be utterly unacceptable, and these kids would probably be kicked out, in my country. That's just bullying, and these kids are doing a massive disservice to the cause they initially defend.
Those students aren't fighting for justice in any form. They're fighting for means to take advantage of their teachers and their school. This is extremely sad to think that this has become the new norm.
and can you believe that they are asking the president of the school to tell all the teachers not to strike them for there grades, because there homework and such, are going to be late because of protest!
Elia Iakopo this reminds me of how the non-native students in our school wanted to blame the teachers for their bad grades... if you would just take your time studying and paying attention instead of being lazy and arguing with the teachers maybe you would get better grades? Also i know i am not in a position talkig about skincolour but if i just got a job because they needed "more diversity" rather than "they needed the best" then i don't know how i would feel...
This whole school thing is absolutely horrible. Like the guy didn't even say anything bad! To me it wasn't racist at all. He just wants to hire teachers who know what they are doing and not hire them just cause the school has some race quota to meet or something. Also it is really different to have a race simply want to , for lack of a better word, boycott a place to show they are needed versus forcing a race out of a place and saying no you CAN'T be here. How is that not racist?! My heart goes out to all those poor faculty members getting shit for no reason, those kids are just angry to be angry It also seems like they are protesting to be excused from school or to get attention on the internet like everyone is going to be on their side at fear of being called racist.
Madison Parker Yeah I agree, it seems like some students are jusy out there searching for reasons to be mad. There are many terrible people out there who are racist and disgusting but they are wasting their time being disrespectful to the wrong people, that teacher didn't do anything wrong. Yeah you can disagree with him but not pull of this shit .
completely agree. Affirmative action should honestly be done away with. I can only assume it was put into legislation with good intentions, but it really just puts up road blocks for those that are more worthy(ie better qualified and educated for the position). Also kind of says in a way "we need to lower the standards in which we hire because your not as qualified due to your race or beliefs".
SMH - This is pure entitlement, as far as I can tell, I agree with his email, it is completely different when you stage a walkout, but how can you expect people to be FORCED out? I do understand that 50 years ago this happened, but why would we take a step backwards?
It's revenge which is a emotional response. It's all about feeling good while being a hypocrite. Since their would be riots if some school said blacks had to leave anywhere for a day.
exactly could you imagine how this would've unfolded if they said African Americans weren't allowed on campus. everyone would loose there shit. Saying whites have to leave is just as racist
It's unbelievable. If you're paying for higher education, no one should have the right to take it away from you without reason. And still, it makes zero sense. No one forced black people to take a day off, so why white people? It's blatant discrimination.
So that first story really angered me... As a Latino American I've had to face my share of discrimination and racism. I've been belittled, told I'm worthless, poor, and dirty because I come from a poor and dirty country. What worse is seeing my parents face it as well; knowing that they don't have the words to defend themselves. Growing up I decided to fight thru it and rise above it. To work for my passion and let my work speak for my value and not my ethnicity. Same goes for my college professors, managers, and coworkers. I've had professors teach me many amazing things and professors who needed help from the class to teach. I've had managers who've been great at their jobs and others whom I've questioned how they got their position. I don't want to get a job simply to be a token Mexican or have a bad mentor simply because they needed to balance out the diversity in the staff. And to the girl telling the president who has claustrophobia that "PoC deal with tough environments everyday" FUCK YOU... I'm claustrophobic and as someone who's had to deal with racism since I could remember, I don't want anyone, ANYONE, to go thru what I've gone thru, whether White, Black, Latino, Asian, etc. I want equality. To be treated according to my character not my ethnicity. If you rise above discrimination and hate only to discriminate and hate another group of people, then you are no better than those who oppressed you. YES, white Americans have been the majority of people who have been racist towards me but I do not hate white people and will not disrespect or treat a white person poorly simply because some other white guy called me a spic. You should be ashamed to call yourself a person who cares about equality and people of color.
These gobsites don't care about equality, they feel entitled to success they haven't yet earned and they are so used to always getting their own way that they feel incredibly violated when they're told that their needs wants and feelings don't really matter all that much to anyone but them so they react the same way that a spoiled five year old acts and throw a massive public strop. What they need is to be forced to face the consequences of their actions for the first time ever and get their first real slap in the face from life.
I understand where you're coming from, but that wont achieve anything. See, you can't teach someone a lesson they don't want to learn. No matter what you say or how you say it. The problem with most people (no matter the generation) is that they are so glued and so focused on their beliefs that if you try to change that or simply talk to them they will demonize you or the situation. They will see it as their Rocky Balboa moment, that its something they need to fight thru and in the end they will rise victorious from and be the hero this world needs... but thats the problem. People like that are stuck in 1 of 2 different categories: 1, They want the world to change and they want to be the cause of that change; They want everyone to look at them as an inspiration, as someone who fought thru oppression and came out on top only to have the next generation view the world as they view it or 2, They want to change but let the world stay the same; They want to be a sort of Messiah. Dying for what they believe in order to inspire another generation. See, they don't truly care about change. if anything, they want to live in hardship so that they an have other people tell the story of their sacrifice. in either scenario, neither persons wants to learn or take responsibility for their actions. They are the hero. They posses the knowledge to save the world. And anyone who doesn't agree with them is the enemy
That teacher has a higher level of consciousness than these immature children could ever hope to attain. It's really sad the world we live in, where in order to overcome oppression many groups feel the need to oppress others. This is what was meant by "an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind". You're right, Phil. This is disgusting.
Okay, I'm sorry, but those students were absolutely out of line. A conversation is not cornering a person, screaming at them like they are a dog and then when they try to answer the question, gets told no, they don't want to hear it. Then they say they aren't doing their coursework in protest AND that poor guy... I can't even believe they weren't leaving even though he clearly has claustrophobia and was uncomfortable. That's just wrong on so many levels. This completely took away from the initial reason for their anger in the first place. I am more disgusted at their behavior than I am at the teacher that wrote the email.
This reaction is toxic and negative. Colleges are supposed to be centres of discussion exploring differing ideas and opinions. But instead these students are shutting down any dissenting opinions and are fear mongering people into conforming to their political beliefs, the danger posed by this can't be understated....
As someone who currently goes to a small liberal arts college, I have to strongly disagree with what the students are saying. The point of a liberal arts college is to get you out of your comfort zone, to try new things, and explore the world around you. By shutting down professors who are trying to challenge you, you end up losing the core reason of the liberal arts.
Do you think everyone at your school believes in open discourse (regardless of opinion) or would many students at your school react in a similar way to how these students reacted? From my experience at liberal colleges, many students think and react along the same wave as these students.
Your comment is admirable, but wouldn't it be cheaper to just use the internet to challenge yourself to new ideas? Sure idiots are going to shout you down, act dishonest, and get angry when you don't agree with them. But is that really any different from what you'd get on campus in this age?
I'm on the side with the teacher, and any student saying 'lemme tell you what I need' is not listening to the 'this is why, if you have an issue, let's have a conversation'. Demands are not conversations. Demands are one sided, and to have a one sided conversation is basically shouting at a brick wall.
I applaud you, good sir/mam. You're absolutely correct. As a teenage student myself, I am personally in disbelief with these students. Instead of (I don't know) having an actual conversation, but instead just ranted on by antagonizing the principal, and the staff. I do understand why the students are in protest with this, but they are just thinking with their emotions, instead of actually taking the time to analyze what the principal said. I do believe in equality, and one of my core philosophies also involve liberalism, but they just went too far.
The Kinsman I completely agree, emotions are running rampant in this situation. Speaking emotionally with a lack of thought never leads to anything good.
Hell, you are at college. Protest on your own time, you pay to come here. If you don't do your work on time, you get a failing grade for it. You don't attend required lectures, your own bad. You threaten teachers? You get expelled and have charges pressed against you. I am mostly liberal. But if you fuck up, you fuck up. No excuses for these kids, I hope the next article out of this is that they were expelled and those who became physical or threatened professors get prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law
Noooo bad, keep them there! Let them stay longer. 8 years should be good. Maybe they might actually learn something at some point. If you expel them you inject them into society sooner and in their current state of mind!
Those students are absolutely disgraceful. No matter what the point you're trying to make is, or how valid it is, it's no excuse to threaten and intimidate people, ESPECIALLY, teachers and professors who are trying to educate you.
I know, the way they talked to them and called them names made me so mad. Did they not realize they were there to teach them? It must be horrible to have to put up with these kinds of kids.
I am a militant advocate for free speech and free thought EVEN when that speech doesn't agree with my own politics. I guess you could say I am an "old school" liberal and not a regressive leftist. What type of insecurity do these weak crybabies have when they react this way? The juvenile way these self-entitled brats (many who come from middle-class backgrounds) acted towards Bret and other faculty, it is apparent that we now have a new Red Guard in action. Yet he remained calm, collected and rational like a complete gentleman. Ultimately, they are responsible for their own backlash. Their intolerance is from the indoctrination of corrupt social science departments currently being taught in academia. For the last 45 years, it is the same stale claptrap coming from left-wing radical Neo-Marxist ideologues (based on the passé French Post-Structuralists like Derrida and Foucault), many who don't deserve to be called professors. Good video presentation Phillip!
Those kids are so unbelievably disrespectful, my goodness. Who talks to the president of your college like that, those kids need to grow up and act like adults.
I don't know if you watched the whole video where they are talking to the president, but he needs to grow a pair and tell them to get the fuck back to class too.
sorry to break it to you but the real world does not tolerate ludicrous behavior like that. so scream at your teachers all your want but when you get bad scores on projects and you wonder why and you fail their class don't cry to them just realize what kind of hole you dug yourself and accept their is nothing you can do about it.
MATTWER sorry to break it to you but those people will be running the world one day, and that is how it will work lol the "real world" you know is only temporary
marvin brooks sorry to break it to you but those people already run the world. Idiots who think they're insanity is valid. Sound familiar? Those people are behaving exactly like those they hate so passionately. They preach the very essence of what they loathe. I would say it's almost artistic the way they do it but I would be referring to their psychological impairment as artistic. These "new" forms of ignorance concern me. Root word: ignore
MATTWER sadly is it tolerating this behavior from this kids to immigrants, look at the illegals who stormed in on government meeting in Texas and started yelling and screaming so much that they had to shut down the meeting.
...I think all of the students should just be expelled for misconduct. I'm sure some of them can be legally punished for harassment or disturbance of peace as well... I respect the right to protest, but it's clearly not a peaceful protest if they corner a professor & yell at his face. Just get rid of the tumors.
That's the most disgusting group of students I've ever seen and it was embarrassing to watch that. Shame on all of them. I agreed with everything the Dean said. When I pay tens of thousands of dollars to attend school, no one gets to tell me I shouldn't be there for a day of the learning I pay for. I recently graduated college. While I was there a prof came in sick because her previous year had gone to the dean with complaints that their classes should be covered by an alternate prof because they're paying for 14 weeks of instruction. Usually I'm all for students doing whatever in college, because you pay for it. I draw the line when you effect others' choices to make the most of their education. All those kids need to be put in a time out and reeducated. They are an embarrassment to higher learning.
Okay, Right. (DISCLAIMER) I'm just out of uni myself, and to qualify anyone to accuse me of various labels; I'm a white, queer, disabled, mentally ill person who has to use food banks to eat. i got one year of uni and then dropped out because IT'S SO EXPENSIVE. I'm also british ) I protested a lot as a student, the one that sticks out is a sit in outside the offices of the deputy head because they refused to allow students to publicly transition in school; it was a single sex school, but we had male students come here for certain subjects. They insisted they couldn't change our name on the system, but there was a "nickname" section which could be edited at any time by faculty and it was policy to refer to the student by their nickname. We did our research (2010 equality act) and then sat in until listened to; we then presented our argument to the teachers with 4 elected protesters so as not to overwhelm the meeting, and got school policy changed to allow kids to transition, wear trousers instead of skirts etc. we also tackled issues related to disability etc. Another occasion we did the EXACT SAME THING to protest a teacher putting in place a restrictive and outrageous rule that insisted that we all bought expensive suits to wear to school in high school, which wtf? THAT is how you tackle faculty being fuckheads. You don't falsely imprison them, scream at them, or sass them. You bone up on your rights, organise a seriously inconvenient protest, hold it til they listen, and then get some kind of result; only if THE FACULTY become violent do you have the right to do the same. In this case i don't think they even have a case, and half of the kids should be expelled for manipulating events to get more time on their assignments.
I call myself a progressive and am generally left leaning, I am an 18 year old, mixed race, female college student in SoCal. I completely and utterly AGREE with what Mr. Weinstein says. You do not combat racism with racism, you do not fix the past oppression of races with the oppression of other races. The U.S. is so obsessed with race it is ridiculous. We are humans, we are Americans, the colors of our skins do not matter. No one should be kicked off of campus no matter your race, no one should be selected based on their skin color rather than their skill, and no one should be denied something because of their race. Black, white, red, brown, green, purple or blue. It is that simple. I am extremely disappointed and appalled at the students at Evergreen State College. They choose to be ignorant by not genuinely listening to Mr. Weinstein's point of view, whether it changed their minds or not. You CAN be racist towards white people, just like any other race. How hard is that to understand?
I agree with you. But I have one 'complaint'. Why do you start off by saying you're a progressive, left leaning, 18 years old, mixed race and a female college student? Ideas and arguments have to stand on their own, not on the identity of the person saying it. The fact that you feel the need to say it, because it would raise the impact of what you are saying is part of the problem. It is the basis upon for this entire shitfest I'm not targeting you specifically. I understand this is something you have been taught as a good way of making impact. But the fact that this is the case is just so sad, no? The fact that you feel that your identity gives you credence, I find that insane.
Shangori if she didn't lead with that I feel that people would attack her for being a racist anti whatever. It's less a problem with the answer and more a problem with the readers that so often jump to conclusions. not all, but some.
BreezyArtist I hate how people think that you can't be racist against white people. white people are horrible people who think that they are better then everyone else and we all get everything handed to us on a silver spoon. Ugh. (that's my rant cause I can go on and on). thank you for your post cause you say what I think.
As an African American, I've grown to be disgusted with the discourse on college campuses. People assuming you are for their movement based off race. The sheer amount of hypocrisy and irony is astonishing. When I discuss religion, immigration, or freedom of speech, everyone is agreement except for when it comes to questioning the group they identify with. When people start to regard the color of their skin or choice of their religion as defining characteristics of who they are, rather than the content of their character, society begins to devolve. We've reached a point where those who once were held back by religion, ethnicity, or gender are ironically using the same arguments that once held them back for a fair shake at the table.
Currently in my third year of college, and on more than one occasion I've been expected by my peers to agree with them solely on the grounds that we were both black. However, I've never had an interaction with any student like the ones in those crowds. It's honestly sickening to me. They're angry because a teacher wants people to be hired based on merit rather than skin color. That's not fighting for equality, that's just trying to get ahead and bring someone else down in the process.
To assume there are no racist in the world is foolish. Is it not ironic how the same people who rage at perceived racism do not have confidence in the people of their own community to meet the standards based upon their own merit? Forcing diversity is no different from enforcing an all white segregation policy; they both accomplish the same thing, denying people who are best suited for those roles from being there.
As someone who has grown up in Washington, I know that Evergreen has a reputation for having a number of students who tend towards the extreme left. I'm not surprised this happened, but I am very disappointed. Cornering a professor and not allowing him to explain himself not only suppresses his rights, but suppresses a chance at meaningful conversation and lasting change. Instead of calmly expressing their thoughts and feelings, these students made it very clear that they had no intention of hearing the professor out. It is so frustrating to see people refuse to hear thoughts/opinions/feelings that differ from their own. Regardless of how you feel about what the Professor wrote in his email, the events that followed are completely unacceptable.
I'm not gonna say every group is like this, but it baffles and amazes me when minority groups scream about racism and equality.. Then turn around, and be racist against white people, while saying that somehow hate and discrimination of anyone with pale skin isn't racist. And just in case anyone honestly thinks that isn't racism, let me get a definition for you: "Racism, Noun: the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races." SO technically, even spouting about white people having 'white privilege' is a form of racism. Food for thought.
I'm completely in agreement with the professor on the whole "give the most qualified person the job" (and the other thing), If I had to hire a person to do some work for me, I'd hire them for what they could do, not race, color, religion... etc And I love how they just shout and then cheer for each other, even if they were right, it doesn't matter after what they did, if anything is holding back progressiveness, ironically it is those people! Oh, and it is funny how they actually can't or don't want to have a productive conversation that could make everybody's life easier...
Ehab Younes So with you on this. I'm from Northern Ireland where there's a massive Protestant/Catholic divide, and every job application here has a section where they essentially say "To prove we don't care what religion you are, tell us what religion you are". It makes no sense.
They act like they're oppressed and in a racists school, yet they are the ones who tried to organize a day without white people. They're the ones who are surrounding the staff and yelling at them. How are they oppressed lol??
Yeah I'm progressive and went to a liberal college and Jesus, those students are idiots. Listen to your professors! Most of them are actually rather reasonable - I hope the students look back on this footage and become embarrassed in the future. Jobs should most definitely go to those most qualified.
It's crazy, right? I was all for them planning a day where they all fuck off (probably to party or something) so they 'prove that their voices and contributions are needed' or whatever. But they flipped script and tried to force out white students and teachers instead. And when the professor told them off (politely as shit! like TOO polite!), he's now getting harassed like mad. I feel like we should segregate colleges again. One campus for normal people, and the other for these extreme-left crazy people who want to pay thousands and thousands of dollars to never be challenged.
What those students did at Evergreen State is disgusting. It's bigoted to shut down a conversation and not even listen to someone simply because they do not fit your agenda. They need some real schooling. And this is coming from a 14 year old.
Jackal Unleashed What they students were doing wasn't a conversation. It was a monologue. They shouted and screamed at the teachers and didn't even let them reply. That's not a conversation if only one group is allowed to speak
There's a simple rule I use to define and aid equality. If you make a sentence with a group name in it (Black, white, Asian, gay, lesbian, Apache helicopter(Snarketh the raven)) then you should be able to substitute any other group in. If it's racist for one, it's racist for all. The path to equality is justice now, not revenge for the past.
You forgot to mention the fact that police were called for that professor's safety, and "protesters" were blocking the way in. The police had to go around the building and find another way in, which obviously took much longer then it should have. The fact that the police didn't just bulldoze their way in is terrible in itself...but isn't this some sort of very serious crime?? To stop police from getting into a building and helping someone who might have seriously needed it? Anyone blocking police from a building is a complete scumbag and deserves nothing but horrible things. I am actually appalled that something like this can go unpunished.
gdoggcasey Black liberal college students are scary. Not in a physical way, but a social way. If the cops would of done something and possibly hurt one of them or caused an escalation, then they would be bombarded with accusations of racism, nazism, or whatever buzzword you can fit in a tweet. That's the same problem the faculty faces. They have to walk on eggshells around these kids, bc they are so quick to accuse whites of all these horrible things. Imagine grading a paper and getting accused of racism bc you gave a minority a bad grade, even if it was a bad paper and deserved a bad grade. This kind of crap is the future of America.
Bret himself (I personally witnessed him saying this) actually said that he did not believe that police should have been called, as he did not feel like he was in physical danger
The girl saying that the faculty should know about this protest so that the students do not get penalized is a new level of stupid. They are protesting on their own time so they need to take responsibility for their own actions.
As a student in college studying network engineering, I am disgusted by those students harassing the faculty. Nothing about what he wants changed is racist, it makes skill the biggest hiring factor. If I am going to be taking a class, I want the best instructor I can get who was the most qualified person the school interviewed. I am lucky as I attend a small school next to the Microsoft campus and have a lot of very talented instructors because of this location. It’s sad to think they don’t want the best education possible….
I totally agree with what you said about the college students. He was simply stating his opinion and what his plans were the day that they wanted all whites to leave campus.
As a Black male myself, I believe that Evergreen's community after this man wanted change and just asked something simple of the community, and he got backlash. They then took it upon themselves to basically RIOT. They believe they were protesting, I believe they were rioting. Its absolutely disgusting and they may need to be punished.
They won't be punished. The president of Evergreen college is a pathetic, empty shell of a man who has made it his job to cave to their demands, and coddle them like spoiled children. That college must be in a desperate financial situation to operate this way, when you also consider that they have a 98.9% acceptance rate.
Well, this was everything short of a riot, of which there is anarchic violence and looting. This was simply a bunch of brain dead retards drinking too much kool-aid who formed a mob. This is the mob mentality we have seen all too often. The sad thing is, this is what some whites used to do to blacks, shout at them, belittle them, often to no one to really side with them. But these idiots can't even see they are now the exact same thing they love to cry out about in history. Sad state of the world.
All I saw was a bunch of people screaming and not reaching their goal at all and evidently fucking up their chances of being heard. Nobody wants to listen to people cornering a man and yelling at him, diminishing a phobia because that man was clearly about to shit himself and still continuing with their asshattedness. I mean.. is this even a protest when they cross so many lines? I agree with you.. This was, and is, how riots start. They start as "protests" and keep crossing lines. Not to forget how they made fun of the guy who said he was going to help them. They should be suspended for bad behavior. This was just such flakey behavior. They could've had it so much more civil.. Yet they went for "duhh buhhh wut a brain is??" OT: That white girl who is like "I don't know what I'm doing here but I'm here anyway".
This kind of crap is why so many college grads are unemployable. Try starting a riot because all the white people at your office refuse to take an unpaid day off to appease your fee-fees and see how fast you are fired and/or arrested.
I can't believe that so many of these students are just blindly following this "protest" I also cannot comprehend how you are not able to independently think about what they are doing and how far away from actually protesting you are 😶
As an educator and university student, I'm annoyed that the students were asking their principal or dean to send a mass email to excuse their homework assignments. Professors put assignments in the syllabus at the beginning of the term, you had plenty of time to do it. You can still protest or participate in your cause and do your homework. As for missing class for the Day of Absence, I can see a professor being more lenient on that.
As a teacher, I have to agree with you. I'd support students asking for extra time for an assignment missed while protesting only if it was an assignment to be done in class and they asked before hand.
J. Wa. no that's stupid. take time from your studies to protest something that is out of your paid for education don't ask for leeway or extra time you don't deserve it you decided to take yourself out of class to protest something that the faculty is agreeing with you on idiots
I am a student and I completely agree. I understand that it's a special event for them but they can still turn in work on time. They can either turn it in early or scan and e-mail it to their professor the day of when they have the time to do so. I understand excusing the single day of coming into class for this activity in support but to say that all assignments will just need to get turned in late isn't a reasonable demand in my opinion. They should have communicated with their professor with plenty of notice. It seems overwhelmingly confusing too, they said to excuse everyone but the students clearly don't want white students involved. Though the e-mail excuses all students (at this rate class should be cancelled!) will they be upset if they find out white people took advantage of this excuse? Maybe in preparation for the future years to come they will have a "holiday" set for that day.
armyguy1091 that's sort of what we are talking about with being prepared for students to protest or participate in a recognized day. I agree though because with protest comes sacrifice and you have to decide how to handle that. If I wanted to protest for any reason, because I am a responsible student and accountable for my own learning, I would get the assignment done beforehand and have it turned in. Just because I have a protest to get to doesn't mean I can't send a quick email with my assignment attached. Or drop it by the campus if possible. There is flexibility with higher education but you are held accountable for your grades.
While I am not a formal teacher by trade (I am a research assistant that helps teach topics over organic chemistry as well as lab sections), I do agree with you. I have helped set up several syllabi that have the entire list of homework assignments, tests, and days they are due. They have, generally, plenty of time to get the work done. Unless there is a family emergency or health issue, there generally isn't an excuse to not have your assignments turned in.
Do we need to start teaching classes on how to properly protest so that students stop turning into a mob of overly aggressive and whiny 5 year olds in order to get what they want? Granted, the rest of us aren’t much better. But...man! Schools have a clear authority structure that should be respected.
personally the students are just shouting at him with no mercy and not having a conversation. How can they progress if they don't communicate. Whether he was in the wrong or not, I personally don't think so, he shouldn't be judged too much because of his opinion.
I think it is fine to judge someone based off an opinion, but not acceptable to silence them or claim the high ground while refusing to listen to what they have to say.
RobinOP02 judging someone based on their opinions is fine, the problem here and in most of these cases is the misrepresentation/misunderstanding of the opinion
I think most of us are in agreement that what the students did is wrong, and that the professor had a valid point. What I want to know is, how can we make the students who are doing this see the hypocrisy and wrongfulness of their actions? What's the best way to reason with these people? Constructive answers from anyone are appreciated but I would be especially interested in hearing from Phillip himself, seeing as he's done a pretty good job of fostering good discourse in his audience already.
Good question. I don't know if they'll understand what they did was wrong unless they get out of their group mentality. They're always in groups and they think anything they do is the right thing as long as they have support from others who think like them. They need people with different viewpoints to stand up for what they believe.
You don't reason with them. You wait for them to "revolt" and shoot all of them because they decided they wanted to revolt with the side that is against guns going against the side that has all the guns.
"Would you like to hear the answer or not?" "No." - it doesn't sound like any conversation it just seems like they are upset so they are looking for someone to scream at, threaten, and harass. Saying they need to let their teachers know they are on some sort of strike so they can't turn in their homework just sounds like an excuse to not go to classes? They are there paying to get education.... Why are they harassing the school over something so simple.
Yep, these types of protests always seem to show up around finals as well, and the first demand is to cancel finals and just pass everyone because we're to upset to study, it's disgusting.
Blocking people from campus based on skin color is racist, regardless of which skin color that is. I completely support having open discussions about racism that happens on campus and how to combat it, but maybe all colors should be involved in those discussions.
In past generations this event was a traditional meeting of the like minded to assess their situation on campus and attempt to plan ways to enact any changes they feel they need. A Mixed audience for those discussions would turn counter productive very quickly. Not that mixed audience discussions aren't needed as well...but the students have the opportunity to have those conversations every day. By granting that day for the minority groups to not be expected to maintain the mixed environment and instead able to have a more safe way to talk about the hard topics without worrying about backlash from potential opposition. Basically, it is one of the oldest safes-space events in this country and one of the few times where you will see me defend that kind of behavior. The environment of a university is supposed to be one of challenge, where ideas are discussed fully open and without concern for safe spaces. Where bad or unpopular ideas can be voiced and then squashed through reason. The last 15 years has seen the college and university environment descend into madness where every special little snowflake requires gentle handling at all times and the unpopular ideas are merely shouted away, correct ideas are dismissed without debate, and incorrect ideas are blindly accepted without challenge all in the name of subverting control of the situation in favor of maintaining the delicate sensibilities of a generation that was never taught about winners and losers in grade school.
Me too. Usually I'm detached on this stuff too. But I think the thing that really got under my skin is that these are academic people... some of the most thankless workers in society, slaving away trying to educate people and better society, and they're getting absolutely shit on by their bratty students. These kids have no fucking concept of what real oppression and hardship is. They are targeting some of the most friendly, gentle, helpful people they are ever going to meet in their life. They would end up in a ditch if they tried to pull this shit in most of the real world and I don't necessarily mean violently... I mean, they'd end up homeless, trying to survive in a ditch.
As a "person of colour", I despise what these students stand for. I hate how morally justified they think they are, I hate how tone-deaf to their own hypocrisy they are. I absolutely hate it. Exclusion has never, and will never be the way toward progress.
8:03 I was flipping through a notebook of mine from yesteryear one day. In the middle was a long stretch of blank pages, as I am wont to do (my notebook etiquette is terrible). I flipped them quickly, trying to find the place I must have randomly picked back up again. Smack dab in the middle of the blank pages were two insults I have no recollection of writing but are in my awful scrawl, and they remain my favourite insults to this day: 'Douche-canoe' and 'Twat waffle' I don't know what prompted me to write them down in such an odd place, but I have no regrets.
I am very heavily liberal, and I don't agree at all with what these students are doing. It really upsets me to see them doing things like this. You can't just force a certain ethnicity to leave the school for an entire day to cater to another ethnicity. If it was any other race they were kicking out for the day it would be a huge racists thing, but because its the white students who are paying thousands of dollars to get a higher education its suddenly ok in their eyes? I hate this double standard when it comes to racism. Any ethnicity can be racist, and just because white people did a lot of absolutely terrible things in the past, everyone's just allowed to throw shit at us at any time now and its not racist? You can't say doing something to one race is racist and have it not be racist to another.
Pretty sure they are students that could be expelled, dismissed, or at the very least suspended. Life sucks, you cannot simply scream at your boss and keep your job. Maybe it's time we teach these young adults a bit about life.
Benjamin Whary Yes atleast suspend them.. But that's gonna cause more unnecessary backlash with racism and oppression as the undertone, just because it's White people dealing the hand.
All I'm saying is: people have their personal views and they have their right to them, and to protest for change and what not. However there are better ways than to disrupt class and disrespect the teachers. You want to change something at work you don't scream at your boss or your district supervisor you send emails you retain them, you talk. You don't scream at people, deny them a voice for retort, and speak ill of them when they state they will work towards your ends. Colleges have admissions they have grades they have rules, good on the college for listening. But, after 18, these "adults"need to attempt to act like adults.
Benjamin Whary well it wouldn't help anyone to suspend them even though they deserve it. They should first get them to understand their actions. Otherwise we'd have a group of kids that is mad at things that they didn't really understand raging around for life.
As a African American and currently a third year in medical school I agree with the president of that school. I suggest avoid racist teachers and develop some type of screening... but I want my education from the BEST. If they are all white, all black, all Asian... SO BE IT! Don't let petty stuff limit your education. (But if a teacher/ anyone proves to be racist etc. REMOVE THEM)
greenmamba93 The problem with wanting to "avoid racist teachers" is that college students (and people in general) are idiots. Just look at these stupid kids considering merit-based, racially indifferent employment as racist. The term "racist" has even been perverted to being limited by power, instead of its actual meaning. And screening is exactly what the professor's opposing, and with good reason. Weinstein's said he's a big believer in anti-bias testing, but not screening because making one that's up-to-par and ethically sound for employment purposes is very hard.
Personally, I feel that the president responded poorly to the situation. Now, I'm not saying the student is in the right, but he could have handled it better. Instead of suggesting "avoid racist teachers", he should have suggested an open discussion in order to come up with a solution to prevent the oppression, NOT firing the teacher. Firing a racist teacher is not to going to stop them from being a racist. In fact, it'll make them worst. What they need is to 1) hire un-biasedly and based purely on the merits and skills and 2) promote an open-environment to resolve misunderstandings and hate that will cause racism. Also, I don't think it's petty. It could be these students felt the "racist teachers" are teaching unfairly or not adhering to their needs as a student. I don't know the situation so I can't say for sure. Now, I do understand the desire for the BEST education (I mean, hey, I'm paying THOUSANDS of dollars, better get my money's worth) but this is definitely not petty stuff if they're oppressed and unable to learn.
That said, I would argue that, on equal merit, faculties with little diversity should prioritize diverse faculty members. This would help promote the discipline taught by that faculty member to future college students, who can then look at their teachers and think that they have a positive outlook there. As a physics student, most of my teachers are male. For a girl who visits the university thinking of applying in physics, she might see the absence of female staff and think: "Maybe I don't belong in this field." The same goes for any minority. So if two applicant have the same, or nearly equivalent, credentials, it would be better to go for the one who increases diversity.
Other fact about Evergreen State College y'all should know: Here in WA, one of the most liberal states in America, that college is seen as a "Hippie Haven." Like, they dont believe in giving grades there. Just saying.
As an engineering student, I agree with the professor. Professors and faculty should be hired based on skill - not ethnicity, religion, etc. I frankly don't care about anything other than a professor's skill; if they can teach well and produce research, that is the only requirement. I feel the students are very ignorant. And this is coming from a Canadian Liberal (which is WAY more left than your conservatives in the US; in fact, our conservatives are the most right wing party in Canada).
SimmonSays I also think that skill is the most important thing for a teacher. Also as one of the only girls in my engineering classes I get told that it offends my classmates girlfriends when we study together. This is a smaller example but being told that you can't do the things required to be successful in your education such as going to class/ or studying it hurts. I think that this day is great for the community on both sides because when non black people go to school and see what there peers bring they themselves are able to help be part of the solution and not the problem.
Same. Though admittedly I changed from Engineering to Physics, I'd much prefer someone who could accurately convey information they're required to teach over someone who was hired as*an enthnic reason*. I'm paying money to learn my interest in career and skills it'd take to perform in that career. Then again, you have these over-exaggerated lefts and rights that sort of paint a stereotype of people who belong to these parties, but are possibly more centrist. I am, and I think that entire ordeal demands not only a mass apology by most of those rioting children, but somehow teaching them how to actually be cordial despite feeling a certain way. Also this may also give a stereotype of young adults in America: This is absolutely not a huge representation of us in the system, but this probably goes on more than its' reported.
Exactly think of surgeons and doctors. I would rather have an all black or all white or all asian or w/e team of doctors treating me who are amazing at their jobs rather than a mixed team that suck at their jobs just for the sake of diversity. You get whoever is best for the job, religion, ethnicity and all the rest shouldn't matter.
Exactly, and sadly that's the problem nowadays. Like these people demanded to be heard, but they shut out people who have a different view on an issue. That's just fucking hypocritical.
These kids are monsters. They are not having an level headed conversations with any of the faculty. They are screaming and acting like entitled brats who only calm down for a minute when they get called out on their shit. Being a liberal myself, this makes me cringe.
It's rare to see intelligent liberals such as yourself these days. I'm neither. But I am sick and tired of seeing the same shit by liberals each fucking day. I know there's bad on both sides. But it's constant, and then the elites in charge of the democrat's party are shady as fuck. I know the core values of liberals are nice. But it's rotten to core with the supporters, and the people high up the ladder. They really seem to be such a burden on western civilization. Much more than people on the right. (even the cunts who are racists, would rather see America succeed than fail.)
It's actually not rare to see an intelligent liberal. They just don't get spotlighted because they're not loud don't make a huge scene. Therefore they are not news worthy. They're out there if you search for them
I agree with you. I am also liberal and I do not approve of the students' conduct. However, there is another part to this story that is concerning. Freedom of speech (even poorly conducted freedom of speech like theirs) needs to be protected. "There's now a proposal to privatize the school, removing all state funding, from Republican State Representative Matt Manweller." You can not take 24 million dollars worth of funding from a school because the students said things you did not like. The students acted immaturely. I agree but privatizing the school is a scary precedent to set. "Led by Republican State Rep. Matt Manweller, the legislators are considering revoking $24 million in state funding."
I would rather something as fucked up as no interracial marriage or no same sex marriage from the 60's be still around then a generation full of Starbucks slurping borderline mentally ill snowflakes floating around United States campuses. This shit is a disease, and the more these staff members let the students walk all over them, the worse it will get. The only way for these little spoiled pieces of shit to learn anything is by kicking out the ones who do this shit. You can have all the little safe spaces and shit you want, but when you get your entire snowflake platoon from the safe space provided for you just to scream at your superior over something so menial and trivial as someone having a different viewpoint then you then you should be expelled.
The very first thing students should sign as a contract of entering a college campus: In the interest of a campus that is open and inclusive to the marketplace of ideas, the college requires that the following rules be acknowledged and followed. I hereby affirm that I will respect the space, life, and difference of opinion of all students, faculty, administration,and visitors by complying with the following: 1. Any physical threat, vandalism or the explicit promotion of physical violence will be met with suspension or possible expulsion. Any attempt to purposefully interrupt, delay, remove or otherwise hinder the work of any staff or officially sanctioned speaker on campus will be met with suspension or possible expulsion. 2. The college does not predicate the dismissal of staff or students on the basis of personal beliefs, unless such personal belief puts them in violation of the terms of paragraph 1. 3. Protests are acceptable provided that they do not violate the terms of paragraph 1.
That girl said "we are here on our own time". Yes, did you think that protesting and speaking with the president of the university about various issues is classwork? And also that they didn't want to get penalized for not turning in assignments... the purpose of that institution is to educate and not cater to their protests or what they do on their free time. Protesting for a cause you believe in is more than okay with most reasonable people but if you don't get you job or schoolwork done while doing that it's absolutely on you.
Imagine getting a job and you go tell your boss that you are just going to leave for a week, after already having a deadline set, and that you will not be responsible for getting the job done in time. These kids are in for a rude awakening once they hit the job market. This shit aint gonna fly #YouFired
Yeah, you can't really protest an institution and then insist that you enable you to protest. At that point, who are you really protesting? And who is stupid enough to help you protest themselves?
Exactly! That pissed me off more than anything. This is college, you decide what work you do and what classes you attend. Don't want to get penalized? Do what you're supposed to do or deal with the consequences.
I am seriously embarrassed to be a liberal leaning human right now. these students' actions are the reason why conservatives are unable to take anything we say seriously.
I used to be that kind of conservative, but then liberals like Sargon of Akkad and Phil changed my perspective. I now realize that we have a common enemy in the leftist SJWs. :)
I am lucky I changed my political views and party a few years ago. As much as I disagree with the left now I can't help but pity any reasonable liberal because of people like these students.
The extremes of both sides always made the others look really bad. After all the extremes of both sides seem to change things from a line to a circle and the extremes are practically twin brothers and sisters who hate each other.
I'm black myself and when I listened to you read the email I honestly saw nothing wrong with it. It made since and I don't see why these students were so triggered. In my opinion I would like to be taught by someone who knows what they're doing, not because of their color, just you know, their level of teaching ability.
Personally I completely agree with Bret, getting a job should be exclusively about your capacity to perform that job. Race, gender and other factors should be completely irrelevant. I also agree with his stance relating to the Excluding white people day. I think it is a real shame that all these students are actively trying to shut down the honest conversation that could occur here with their hate-blinded actions.
The Pirate King Totally agree that the Excluding White People Day is dumb and at best counterproductive ... but, I don't agree that race and gender should be completely irrelevant when it comes to hiring, at least not in all cases. I come from a community that has a legal aid clinic that deals with First Nations (aboriginal) clients at least 50% of the time. This clinic has a mix of white and native people working there. Thing is, the white employees don't always work out. One in particular had trouble understanding and relating to his clients and eventually quit quite suddenly leaving everyone with a mess to clean up. Regardless of that person's qualifications, he lacked the perspective necessary to relate to his clients, and his clients feeling that disconnect did not always work well with him. This doesn't always happen with white employees there, but can you really blame the clinic for going with a safer bet and considering race due to the kind of work they do? As a side note, yes, if your job is to teach science then your number one consideration for hiring you should be that you understand science and can teach it, just as the qualifications for being a lawyer must be considered at the legal aid clinic. But after that, why not consider someone's race or gender if you have reason to believe it will improve the quality of their performance (i.e. Better reflects the diversity of the student population)? I'll agree that those kids didn't sound like they were being that nuanced, though ...
Wesley King Thanks for the reply dude, I hadn't really considered it from that angle, I was only really considering the perspective in the video. Replies like this are great and help contribute to a genuine discussion, which is what I love about the Philip DeFranco show. Wouldn't it be nice if those students could learn what a discussion is, eh…
Wesley King This was a really well thought out point thank you. I was more of the opinion that people should be hired based on qualifications not race or gender however your point about for some roles you need to understand clients perspective is a good point
Not a fan of racism myself but when you're going berserk at someone for being racist then you fall into their stereotype and fuel their racism further. Common sense.
Honestly, on the campus story, I think that it's perfectly ok if Black people don't go to college on that day. However, trying to kick another group off campus if they do want to be there is a different thing entirely. Also, the entire email incident where the want the dude fired is completely wrong. He was voicing his opinion that people wouldn't be happy if they weren't allowed to go to school on one day, because that would be discrimination. Now the students. Oh boy. They have no right to yell at the teachers that are just trying to do their jobs, and go about their day peacefully, and in my opinion (because free speech is a thing) that was totally inappropriate. They also have no right to storm the presidents office and demand that email guy (that's his name now since I don't really feel like re-watching the section) be fired, just because he tried to say that people wouldn't be happy being kicked off campus for a day. In my opinion the "protestors" went across the line.
MCSPARTA1030 Not to mention that demanding that students not be in trouble for not turning in homework because they're protesting is ridiculous. The world doesn't stop turning because you're protesting. Also, been rude and yelling at people or talking over them doesn't get a point across it just shows how rude you are.
Agree, its all about consent, if somebody tells you you can but you wont thats fine, but if somebody tells you you cant- i feel like its not fair. I have no idea why students are against this teacher for me he seems totally reasonable.
MCSPARTA1030 I'm upset that he tells them he has claustrophobia and they yell about how now he has to deal with what they deal with. l Like if you understand how he feels give the guy some room
I think the campus story was really annoying to me honestly. Choosing teachers SHOULD be based on skill, that's not racist, who cares what color they are, you should care about how well of a teacher they are. Also colored people chose to leave the campus to show their impact, importance and how they can improve their campus. Saying their should be a white absence is forcing it on them without them wanting to. The black absence had good intentions to improve campus, but the white one is with no intention and it's literally just being racist. I'm white and I wouldn't want to do it, and the fact is that the students wouldn't even let him explain his point and cornering him is disgusting to me.
choosing colored teachers to diversify the staff is like choosing white guy to work for a company: "Hey we know you might not be smart, but it looks good to have you here".
Nathan Becker 100% agree. shit. if I'm paying for my education my fucking profs better be chosen by skill. I could give two less fucks about diversity. These kids are literally saying "fuck our education and money we want diversity"
Damn... I'm a black college student that leans to the left and I had a serious problem with all that. They're doing a complete disservice to themselves by not communicating in an adult, respectful way. I get being emotional but that was absolutely ridiculous. At my college last year there was a hate crime on campus against a group of black students, and the campus came together and had a great public forum open to any students or faculty/staff with concerns. Everybody was incredibly respectful, and though it got emotional and somewhat tense at times a lot seemed to get hashed out and our campus community really came together and created some great events and fundraisers to raise awareness and bring people together. I really hope people don't look at all college students, liberals, or black people negatively because of their bullshit because this really isn't how educated adults act. They should be ashamed.
Natalie King Black Americans are the most openly racist and hateful people in this country. Those clips of black students openly speaking hate to white people is just further proof.
the funniest part of this is they stalked& recorded EVERYTHING to have proof (& transparency??) of how badly they're treated; therefore, forcing the faculty to follow through.. but it's actually the thing that destroyed them!
They should just expel all the students who are on video harassing teachers. It's not okey to corner and verbally abuse a colleague at a work place or a member of staff of any company, you'd be banned from the store immediately. Why are they getting away with this reprehensible attitude.
BlueGlowingLight4 Expelling might be a little harsh but they do need to face something. I'd hate to see their futures ruined because of their stupidity now. We just need to break our children of this mindset. I will never tolerate my kids acting that way and I can only hope that the parents of these kids feel the same
+Chris Downs I don't know, I really think they need to get some form of punishment. This is not acceptable. I don't know what sort of punishment would send a strong enough message other than expulsion, but this kind of threatening behavior is just unacceptable for anyone, no matter what they believe.
Nooooo, students should be defending no matter what they do in fighting hegemonic instabilities of both culture in backgrounds to fight systematic oppression and - blah blah expel them. inexcusable.
I feel sorry for teachers who have to put up with this shit when all they are there for are to educate their students. these teachers clearly are not racist in any way and the students are just using this entire situation as an excuse to cause a fuss and get attention, not to mention create excuses for not getting their work done. These students are discusting, immature, little brats.
The way these kids act makes me so angry. They are so far beyond what they are supposed to be fighting for. They can't debate/converse about any of their issues, it's hard to believe they think this behavior is productive.....
This is the result of underdeveloped brains, filled with hormones, trying to find a purpose in life while others in the same position cheer them on. Meanwhile, the people who run the college are so concerned about offending the students and having them leave with their parent's piggy banks, so they just let them run wild.
Dream You are entitled brats who have never experienced any hardships that come with living in the real world. Try that shit outside of a liberal college and you will find yourself living with your parents... dood.
JACKx0FxSPADES just that whole situation makes me sick and is a huge part of the reason I became an independent, just the blind ignorance of both the left and the right are baffling.
yeah up until a year ago I used to consider myself very liberal but now I usually just say I'm a left leaning centrist to distance myself from batshit ideologues like those students
I'm very left leaning and even I agree that the students are completely out of line. You don't resolve issues by shouting at your professors and college deans. As Phil was reading the email he sent out I didn't find anything wrong with it. I agree, if you want to form your own protest, by all means do it. It's your right to protest. But to ask other students to stay away from the campus? That's ludicrous.
Would you please tell me what does "very left leaning" means? I've always wanted to know what is the deal with the left. Like what is it that you want from society, or the government, what is the general philosophy behind the "very left leaning" or just the left in general? Thank you!
+ionutxxdan i cant' speak for Dani but ime very heavily left wing. I can answer any questions you may have. As from society i want a level playing field but a society that spreads the wealth to those unfortunate, that means society should be meritocratic but realize the world is not Intrinsically just and people can struggle and there should be help for the unlucky/unfortunate of us. That means social/universal healthcare/education/house-care and it needs to be run well like many Nordic countries do. Of course this means heavy taxes on those that can afford it.
Jimmy Panda honest question not trying to be rude. I don't know your wealth. if you worked your butt off and made 200,000 a year would you want to give up half of it. I wouldn't myself. the next question would be would you wanna live with another family or two. The reason I ask that is because everything would be so expensive most likely the rich would be the only ones to afford a house to there selfs
I agree Dani. I think the discussion about race that the professor wanted to hold for students and staff of all races and backgrounds would be a much better idea. I recently took a sociology class about race and discussions were at the core of that class. I got some really interesting insight that I as a white person never would have known about. There was no shouting or yelling, just civil discussion.
the way that those students are acting is just plain wrong, its disgusting and disrespectful. I hate when people act like that, and expect for people to hear everything they have to say, when they dont listen at all.
Aalaa Stop Yeah it horrifies me. These kids are raised overprotected into self-entitlement and pretend their life is hard. Then universities are after the money, they won't flunk students because they need their tuition money. Students are CUSTOMERS! WTF!? That principal shouldn't have conceded at all!
All I'm saying is that their response was so fucking irrational (I consider myself more on the centre left) however I do not condone this behaviour at all. Shouting in people's faces? Threatening teachers? Belittling mental health that goes against their own beliefs and they should learn to react to these situations with rationality.
These are college students whom are there by CHOICE and paid ( or get grants) to attend to get education. If you don't like it, leave and go receive your education at a college you deem fills your requirements for your personal entitlement you feel everyone should conform to you. Out standing job by the faculty for keeping cooler heads while being belittled.
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Okay these students are pretty much bullying faculty at this point. I'm all for equality and inclusion, but if the man had claustrophobia legitimately that's belittling mental health.
theyre also stupid af lmaoo just jumping on the bandwagon to attack someone with little reason and no intention of fixing anything
Ruthlessly Done
the concequences will be their reaction ro being fired when they pull this shit on their boss
somecallmetim451 Let's not forget that they're doing this and then demanding that he write ALL faculty members to excuse the kids bullying him from turning in assignments on time.
somecallmetim451 i work in a factory and i've seen at least 5 people get escorted out after being fired for screaming at the supervisor saying he was mansplaining or racist. They didn't think they should have to do a job they didn't like lol. Only had the cops show up once though
He said he was going to do it and fix it, and they were still not satisfied with that and found ANYTHING to be mad at because they want to be victims sooo badly. Its pathetic
The students just made complete asses out of themselves. If your going to question someone, you better be willing to listen to the answers.
Yup Fucking idiots and they are full of shit themselves. I can't believe this happening in my state
PS I lives 25 miles south of Seattle.
It seems to me like a mass overreaction. Maybe there were issues before this and they are responding to a build up of tensions. I wouldnt support asking a "race" of students to leave school if they had no intention to participate or didnt want to miss class.
The issue behind this is just that the students are racist.
If I am having open heart surgery then I hope the person who is operating on me to have gotten the job on merit alone, and not someone who came in second but got hired instead to fill some sort of race quota.
Amusingly, there's an episode of Scrubs that pokes fun at that scenario. Turk, a black surgeon, is suddenly hailed as the only important doctor in the clinic because of his skin color.
Lol yeah. "Come in and get your EKG-Gee"
Oh my fucking god, that campus video made me irrationally angry. I'd describe myself as very liberal, but holy shit, how do they not realize they're the racist ones in that situation.
RandomGuy and like, it's not even about racism at this point. its about the fact that these *children* are screaming at their professor who is obviously attempting to address the situation calmly and to make amends over hurting people's feelings. that pissed me off so much. how can you expect anyone to listen and take you seriously when you refuse to be calm??? Just such a stupid situation all around and they cant even punish the kids without getting told they're being racist or having riots.
cheery oats Straight up shooting their cause and position in the foot because they're stupid children who don't know how to have a conversation
I think maybe they're overly sensitive and not really listening. The whole situation was unnecessary and everyone was overreacting. Inviting people to join in protest is ok. Employing people based on merit is ok.
They can't be racist, muh institutional racism!
This was really depressing to me. As a french and a convinced socialist, I hope I'll never see such things in my country. This people are IN LOVE with conflict, they're power hungry morons
I go to a fairly liberal university in the U.K., but if that was done to a lecturer here, those students would be expelled for harassment and threats to faculty
TheZatimo Haha America man! They are fucked
As they all should be in this case too.
TheZatimo Same here in Germany
I think that would be the best idea. College is supposed to prepare people for the real world. If they just coddle them, then I can only alone what will happen when they do this with their boss.
I go to a liberal university in the U.S and these students would definitely have been expelled as well. The staff may be hesitant to take disciplinary action on such a heated racial issue. They're probably afraid of escalating the situation. I don't really agree with that logic, but I also don't have to worry about the university's reputation while being screamed at and harassed.
These students are out of line. The teacher pushed for facility to be hired for their qualifications, not their skin color- *that's the exact opposite of racism*. Then the teacher says that maybe part of the college shouldn't be *forced* off the campus for a day, _and they stop him and yell at him?!_ Not to mention how rude and insulting they were to the school president.
J Grandmaster These students are stupid and racist. Only look at skin colour and completely blind of their own hypocrisy
As a black woman who firmly believes in the uplifting and accountability of my race through means of protest and activism, I am livid at whats happening at that college. All I see is blind misplaced rage. Kids fighting a fight against people not threatning them in any way. The blatant hypocrisy is astounding and disturbing. Most of them probably view themselves as the new wave liberal and activist counter culture but I see nothing here that reflects their supposed message. Theyre crude, threatning, and obnoxious.
I understand anger or feeling as though you are not being heard or understood. But being able to step back and put emotions aside to actually create an atmosphere of discussion and to actually move forward is the way to go. In essence let go so you can move forward. Its like they read the email, only saw "no" and went from there without critically thinking.
agreed
Not just this college, the vast majority of young people in college act this way from all the vids I've seen. Both black and white. Its deplorable.
It feels as if everything is moving backwards, not forwards. If they have concerns, that's fine but they should be open to mature discussions rather than riots
I don't blame you. I'm disgusted with them too. Personally I feel that there should have been arrests and charges filed.
I always thought college was a place to safely explore your new adulthood . To form your opinions separate from your parents. To decide if you agree or disagree with them. To talk to others about issues. To convince them your side is the right one or to be convinced theirs is right. To be passionate about issues important to you but not to actually threaten others.
100% agreed.
I'm late, but I hope these students see the backlash they've created and actually take everyone's rational comments into consideration because this behavior is completely unacceptable.
cos racist pigs do....right....they are parrots of their racist parents.
I am very confused by this college professor story.
From what I have gathered, these students are rallying against someone who wants them to have educated professors no matter the color of their skin and for people to not be oppressed. So basically they are hurting someone who is only trying to help them.
Also they obviously don't know about respect because they are demanding things from educators in such a hostile way that will get them nowhere, as if they deserve it just because of their skin color which doesn't seem right, but who am I to judge I don't know them or the full situation
it's because ignorant morons follow ignorant moron's like lemmings.
Day Dreamer the problem is they get what they want by doing that, you heard him say he would do it.
Day Dreamer: Perfectly, logically said!
I believe that this a no-win scenario for either side. On the one hand, it's pretty well-known that minorities tend to be at primarily, an economic disadvantage. Let's take an FSU graduate versus a graduate from FAMU (Florida State University and Florida Agricultural and Mechanical University) applying for the same position - FSU has a primarily white (albeit mostly female) enrollment, whereas FAMU is mostly black. If you hire the FSU alumni that has that same qualifications due strictly to the prestige of the university, you're accused of racism. If you hire the black graduate from FAMU, you're accused of playing the diversity game.
yeah, you pretty much picked up as much as i did on the situation.
Hiring people based on their skill is actually true equality. By doing this, you are judging people by who they are instead of their skin color.
goodby guy They don't want equality, the want "equity and "restorative justice" and "equality of outcome". in other words, revenge and communism. it's...not good.
It is true equality if the nurture and development of skill isn't itself affected by skin colour. It's typical lazy reasoning and where these people overshoot, you do no better and undershoot. Complex questions rarely have easy answers. Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying I have a better answer. I am just saying your answer is shit.
they're logic is colored people deserve the job but not the people who have the skill this is why I don't like to socialize with other people cause sometimes what they say are stupid
edtExodus Or that it oversimplified it to one variable. Are you saying that staff hired at a college needs more than the requirement scale of talent? Or are you saying that hiring standards should be altered to make for another variable besides teaching talent and skill?
And somehow diversity of opinion depends on the person's own skin colour?
And are you implying that people of colour somehow have different thoughts and ideas than the rest? How does that work?
They don't want to turn in their assignments? Flunk em all, make em pay for an extra semester and show them how the real world works. I'm anti-racism but I'm also college educated and I know better.
VlogGrrr sounded like they just wanted extra time lmao
+Jason Life isn't fair
VlogGrrr they're just lazy as hell
These kids need to sort out their priorities.
exactly. Do you think you can just push deadlines back in the real world? If my boss is expecting me to have a report on a company done tomorrow, it has to be done tomorrow, or else im in trouble. Thats how the real world works! I say flunk em!
I’m a person of colour and I simply can’t understand how the email could POSSIBLY be even somewhat rascist.
Hamza he didnt want to be forcibly removed so he was a racist.
Tip of my tounge where ive heard this logic before????
I don't see how the email is racist.
That's because it wasn't.
The left sees racism 'everywhere'... and it will be their downfall.
The email is racist because..... BECAUSE THEY SAID SO, THAT'S WHY.
rationalmuscle Don't inflate the left, just like people shouldn't inflate the right. I'm left-leaning but I thought the reaction to his email was absolutely ridiculous.
Nice disservice.
+rationalmuscle Don't suppose you caught that part of the video where it was explained the guy they were calling racist was also on the left, did you?
Edit: rationalmuscle clarified later in the comment thread that he meant SJW's rather than all liberals.
What those students effectively did was chant "What do we want? Answers! When do we want them? NEVER!" Good job.
Man 1: "Would you like to hear the answer?"
Man 2: "No!"
Persuasion Attempt failed.
That guy rolled a 1 on that check.
Charlie C We'll get em next time
Seiaeka Nah, their Charisma is just that shit.
Need to raise that speechcraft skill bruh.
Grape Mentats, works for me.
They didn't even allow the man to have a conversation!!! They are taking it to a new level...wtf this is straight bullying...FOH!!!! Ppl get me so mad 🙄😡
"We tried to talk to him"
"Do you want to hear the answer or not?"
"NO"
Alexa Lee hoaly ever students r fucking retarded hope the people acting like that drown in bleach
When the students stormed the Dean's office, and were presenting their demands, it seemed to me like they just wanted to get out of doing their homework.
I agree. and it rages me more by how they made fun of his claustrophobia.
Igor Kutin lol that's what I said.
Igor Kutin I agree
Yep.. the claustrophobia part made me pretty angry.
A lot of people missed this, but at one point theres a big dude in the back that's like, "And we want y'all to pay for a potluck for us."
I understand that racism is still a real thing but these people don't seem to really grasp the real meaning of the concept. This teacher literally talked about how he wanted the best faculty for the university regardless of skin colour, just because he said the teacher doesn't have to be black doesn't mean this guy is racist. Having diversity in school is amazing but whether you're black white or green doesn't mean they should hire you over someone that more qualified for the job. Honestly it makes me think like this students just felt like creating an unnecessary conflict.
Racism has, and will always exist. It's natural for a person to look up upon another for certain qualities, just like it's natural to be against something you don't understand, or are ill-informed, or simply just prefer to be racist and ignorant, like these people on the campus.
agreed 10000% These people will rather have a minority teacher that knows nothing than a white knowledgeable teacher... smh
Well said. These kids are cringy as fuck, starting shit for no reason
My vote for top comment, this one.
Cristina Ruiz de Velasco I totally agree with everything you have stated. What this reminds me of is when affirmative action started and how it split the nation. I find it to be crazy to hire an educator that is not the best candidate for the position😧 This country pushes me further & further in a deep depression by the actions of so many people. From this to the Portland attack; my soul breaks for the great people of this country. Anyway great comment! 💖💓
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@jaimeedianna 💕 #xoxo
that point when you said "its things like these that pushed me away from being a liberal" is so accurate and relevant today. many people must feel this way too.
as someone slightly left of center, these things remain even to this day the reasons why im not a full blown leftist.
I'm disappointed in those students, being a college student myself it is blatantly obvious that there wasnt any formal or organized effort to achieving their goal... they didn't let anyone on the opposite side participate in the conversation. there was just a lot of yelling and was hard to watch.
Naeemah Mccants Yeah, in the beginning when the professor asked if they wanted to hear his answer, they all yelled, "NOO!" How does that help them? What is the next generation going to learn from their parents if they're still children? I'm genuinely scared what America is coming to.
You are right we lack mutual communication. I agree with you - it was very hard to watch. The problem is what they were saying maybe 100% valid but you didn't hear because of how they delivered it.
I signed in just to reply to your comment... how is what they are saying 100% valid explain to me.
One group asking for absence of another group is oppression, he is against that, explain to me how is that racisim...
I completely agree. It felt so cringey.
I would say demanding white people not be on campus for a day is absurd and racist. Its not cool or progressive it's straight up racism and those student behavior is borderline expulsion material
As someone who transferred away from Evergreen to another school, this is not uncommon behavior for the student body there. They are what many would consider stereotypical professional victims.
These students' actions are unacceptable. They are speaking out against a guy who didn't want to leave the school *based on the color of his skin*, how is that in anyway racist? More so they stop him, refuse to let him speak, and insult the teacher and the school president over a statement against hiring teachers based on their qualifications, *not their race*. The facility and staff need to have consequences for these people.
Expel the lot of them?
Note to self, never go to a liberal arts college.
That is is why I did not go, I used to consider myself very much liberal, now I consider myself a moderate liberal,after seeing students like this it made me realize just how much they shoot themselves in the foot with what they say.
Yeah. I live near Evergreen, and it's sort of a joke college. When people ask where people want to go to college, many say, "oh definitely Evergreen."
Edit: This of course, is a sarcastic statement.
Liberal arts actually does not mean liberal in the political sense, though a lot of people seem to have that misconception. It actually means a college in which your core classes taken by every student hit a variety of different subjects rather than focusing on courses towards your major. This means as part of the core system everyone has to dabble a little bit in every subject much like prior schooling. For example I am a English major, At the liberal arts school that I attend as part of my core I had to take two science courses, a math course, and a sociology course to name a few.
I personally find the structure of a liberal arts education to be great as I am not taking every single one of my courses for every semester for every year in one subject. I am able to mix things up a little with a subject that is out of the norm for me but still teaches me valuable information.
What many feel to realize is that a liberal arts school encompasses many educational institutions even if they do not have that label at their forefront. Generally most arts or science focused institutions are liberal arts in the Way that they have students getting a broad general knowledge of many subjects. This is in contrast of course to a technical or trade school which one is learning one specific trade over a shorter period of time.
Im mexican and I agree
Castiel Winchester It's interesting, because the school I went to (an actual art school) does exactly that. Both private and public art schools actually follow that pattern. It's very useful and interesting.
However, the behaviour displayed by these students would be utterly unacceptable, and these kids would probably be kicked out, in my country. That's just bullying, and these kids are doing a massive disservice to the cause they initially defend.
Those students aren't fighting for justice in any form. They're fighting for means to take advantage of their teachers and their school. This is extremely sad to think that this has become the new norm.
and can you believe that they are asking the president of the school to tell all the teachers not to strike them for there grades, because there homework and such, are going to be late because of protest!
Elia Iakopo this reminds me of how the non-native students in our school wanted to blame the teachers for their bad grades... if you would just take your time studying and paying attention instead of being lazy and arguing with the teachers maybe you would get better grades? Also i know i am not in a position talkig about skincolour but if i just got a job because they needed "more diversity" rather than "they needed the best" then i don't know how i would feel...
This whole school thing is absolutely horrible. Like the guy didn't even say anything bad! To me it wasn't racist at all. He just wants to hire teachers who know what they are doing and not hire them just cause the school has some race quota to meet or something. Also it is really different to have a race simply want to , for lack of a better word, boycott a place to show they are needed versus forcing a race out of a place and saying no you CAN'T be here. How is that not racist?! My heart goes out to all those poor faculty members getting shit for no reason, those kids are just angry to be angry
It also seems like they are protesting to be excused from school or to get attention on the internet like everyone is going to be on their side at fear of being called racist.
Madison Parker Yeah I agree, it seems like some students are jusy out there searching for reasons to be mad. There are many terrible people out there who are racist and disgusting but they are wasting their time being disrespectful to the wrong people, that teacher didn't do anything wrong. Yeah you can disagree with him but not pull of this shit .
EXACTLY! As a student I wouldn't want someone hired because of their ethnicity, i only care about their ability to teach.
"To me it wasn't racist at all." No... it OBJECTIVELY wasn't racist at all. No intelligent person thinks it was racist.
I think if anything it's more racist to force hire someone because of their race and not their abilities just for the sake of "diversity".
completely agree.
Affirmative action should honestly be done away with. I can only assume it was put into legislation with good intentions, but it really just puts up road blocks for those that are more worthy(ie better qualified and educated for the position). Also kind of says in a way "we need to lower the standards in which we hire because your not as qualified due to your race or beliefs".
Those students have no idea what they're fighting for anymore. It's an excuse to act out and not have to do school work
...So, a riot, then?
master jen sadly true.
master jen i love how she just automatically assumes that theyre entitled to not having to perform schoolwork on time
funny thing is the only one who is pay for all this is them in the future for not learning because they are to busy disrespecting the teachers
These are kids who think they're adults.
SMH - This is pure entitlement, as far as I can tell, I agree with his email, it is completely different when you stage a walkout, but how can you expect people to be FORCED out? I do understand that 50 years ago this happened, but why would we take a step backwards?
It's revenge which is a emotional response. It's all about feeling good while being a hypocrite. Since their would be riots if some school said blacks had to leave anywhere for a day.
ExeErdna The crazy thing is that these students and many of the professors pushing for this never even had to experience it in their live's anyways.
Jesse Martineau completely off topic but how do you have a check Mark at 900 subs
exactly could you imagine how this would've unfolded if they said African Americans weren't allowed on campus. everyone would loose there shit. Saying whites have to leave is just as racist
It's unbelievable. If you're paying for higher education, no one should have the right to take it away from you without reason. And still, it makes zero sense. No one forced black people to take a day off, so why white people? It's blatant discrimination.
So that first story really angered me...
As a Latino American I've had to face my share of discrimination and racism. I've been belittled, told I'm worthless, poor, and dirty because I come from a poor and dirty country. What worse is seeing my parents face it as well; knowing that they don't have the words to defend themselves.
Growing up I decided to fight thru it and rise above it. To work for my passion and let my work speak for my value and not my ethnicity.
Same goes for my college professors, managers, and coworkers. I've had professors teach me many amazing things and professors who needed help from the class to teach. I've had managers who've been great at their jobs and others whom I've questioned how they got their position.
I don't want to get a job simply to be a token Mexican or have a bad mentor simply because they needed to balance out the diversity in the staff.
And to the girl telling the president who has claustrophobia that "PoC deal with tough environments everyday"
FUCK YOU... I'm claustrophobic and as someone who's had to deal with racism since I could remember, I don't want anyone, ANYONE, to go thru what I've gone thru, whether White, Black, Latino, Asian, etc.
I want equality. To be treated according to my character not my ethnicity.
If you rise above discrimination and hate only to discriminate and hate another group of people, then you are no better than those who oppressed you.
YES, white Americans have been the majority of people who have been racist towards me but I do not hate white people and will not disrespect or treat a white person poorly simply because some other white guy called me a spic.
You should be ashamed to call yourself a person who cares about equality and people of color.
These gobsites don't care about equality, they feel entitled to success they haven't yet earned and they are so used to always getting their own way that they feel incredibly violated when they're told that their needs wants and feelings don't really matter all that much to anyone but them so they react the same way that a spoiled five year old acts and throw a massive public strop.
What they need is to be forced to face the consequences of their actions for the first time ever and get their first real slap in the face from life.
I understand where you're coming from, but that wont achieve anything.
See, you can't teach someone a lesson they don't want to learn. No matter what you say or how you say it.
The problem with most people (no matter the generation) is that they are so glued and so focused on their beliefs that if you try to change that or simply talk to them they will demonize you or the situation.
They will see it as their Rocky Balboa moment, that its something they need to fight thru and in the end they will rise victorious from and be the hero this world needs... but thats the problem.
People like that are stuck in 1 of 2 different categories:
1, They want the world to change and they want to be the cause of that change; They want everyone to look at them as an inspiration, as someone who fought thru oppression and came out on top only to have the next generation view the world as they view it
or
2, They want to change but let the world stay the same; They want to be a sort of Messiah. Dying for what they believe in order to inspire another generation. See, they don't truly care about change. if anything, they want to live in hardship so that they an have other people tell the story of their sacrifice.
in either scenario, neither persons wants to learn or take responsibility for their actions. They are the hero. They posses the knowledge to save the world. And anyone who doesn't agree with them is the enemy
That teacher has a higher level of consciousness than these immature children could ever hope to attain. It's really sad the world we live in, where in order to overcome oppression many groups feel the need to oppress others. This is what was meant by "an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind". You're right, Phil. This is disgusting.
Okay, I'm sorry, but those students were absolutely out of line. A conversation is not cornering a person, screaming at them like they are a dog and then when they try to answer the question, gets told no, they don't want to hear it. Then they say they aren't doing their coursework in protest AND that poor guy... I can't even believe they weren't leaving even though he clearly has claustrophobia and was uncomfortable. That's just wrong on so many levels. This completely took away from the initial reason for their anger in the first place. I am more disgusted at their behavior than I am at the teacher that wrote the email.
This reaction is toxic and negative. Colleges are supposed to be centres of discussion exploring differing ideas and opinions. But instead these students are shutting down any dissenting opinions and are fear mongering people into conforming to their political beliefs, the danger posed by this can't be understated....
As someone who currently goes to a small liberal arts college, I have to strongly disagree with what the students are saying. The point of a liberal arts college is to get you out of your comfort zone, to try new things, and explore the world around you. By shutting down professors who are trying to challenge you, you end up losing the core reason of the liberal arts.
Do you think everyone at your school believes in open discourse (regardless of opinion) or would many students at your school react in a similar way to how these students reacted? From my experience at liberal colleges, many students think and react along the same wave as these students.
Your comment is admirable, but wouldn't it be cheaper to just use the internet to challenge yourself to new ideas? Sure idiots are going to shout you down, act dishonest, and get angry when you don't agree with them. But is that really any different from what you'd get on campus in this age?
I'm on the side with the teacher, and any student saying 'lemme tell you what I need' is not listening to the 'this is why, if you have an issue, let's have a conversation'. Demands are not conversations. Demands are one sided, and to have a one sided conversation is basically shouting at a brick wall.
I applaud you, good sir/mam. You're absolutely correct. As a teenage student myself, I am personally in disbelief with these students. Instead of (I don't know) having an actual conversation, but instead just ranted on by antagonizing the principal, and the staff. I do understand why the students are in protest with this, but they are just thinking with their emotions, instead of actually taking the time to analyze what the principal said. I do believe in equality, and one of my core philosophies also involve liberalism, but they just went too far.
The Kinsman I completely agree, emotions are running rampant in this situation. Speaking emotionally with a lack of thought never leads to anything good.
"We didn't corner or block him in. Only when he was trying to leave" Good fucking lord.
Those university students should all be expelled, imo. There's no need for people like that in society.
Tyler Dane there behavior is wildly inappropriate and there needs to be consequences for the way they are treating faculty.
Hell, you are at college. Protest on your own time, you pay to come here. If you don't do your work on time, you get a failing grade for it. You don't attend required lectures, your own bad. You threaten teachers? You get expelled and have charges pressed against you. I am mostly liberal. But if you fuck up, you fuck up. No excuses for these kids, I hope the next article out of this is that they were expelled and those who became physical or threatened professors get prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law
Tyler Dane I agree completely
Noooo bad, keep them there! Let them stay longer. 8 years should be good. Maybe they might actually learn something at some point. If you expel them you inject them into society sooner and in their current state of mind!
At least it hasn't devolved to some students throwing petrol bombs like here in South Africa
Those students are absolutely disgraceful. No matter what the point you're trying to make is, or how valid it is, it's no excuse to threaten and intimidate people, ESPECIALLY, teachers and professors who are trying to educate you.
Julia Toms kids show less and less respect for teachers its honestly frustrating
I know, the way they talked to them and called them names made me so mad. Did they not realize they were there to teach them? It must be horrible to have to put up with these kinds of kids.
I am a militant advocate for free speech and free thought EVEN when that speech doesn't agree with my own politics. I guess you could say I am an "old school" liberal and not a regressive leftist. What type of insecurity do these weak crybabies have when they react this way? The juvenile way these self-entitled brats (many who come from middle-class backgrounds) acted towards Bret and other faculty, it is apparent that we now have a new Red Guard in action. Yet he remained calm, collected and rational like a complete gentleman. Ultimately, they are responsible for their own backlash. Their intolerance is from the indoctrination of corrupt social science departments currently being taught in academia. For the last 45 years, it is the same stale claptrap coming from left-wing radical Neo-Marxist ideologues (based on the passé French Post-Structuralists like Derrida and Foucault), many who don't deserve to be called professors. Good video presentation Phillip!
Those kids are so unbelievably disrespectful, my goodness. Who talks to the president of your college like that, those kids need to grow up and act like adults.
Peter Strobl it's all about how they are taught at home... sigh
I don't know if you watched the whole video where they are talking to the president, but he needs to grow a pair and tell them to get the fuck back to class too.
He can't, because then he will become even more of a racist in the public eye, don't you understand?
sorry to break it to you but the real world does not tolerate ludicrous behavior like that.
so scream at your teachers all your want but when you get bad scores on projects and you wonder why and you fail their class don't cry to them just realize what kind of hole you dug yourself and accept their is nothing you can do about it.
MATTWER sorry to break it to you but those people will be running the world one day, and that is how it will work lol the "real world" you know is only temporary
marvin brooks sorry to break it to you but those people already run the world. Idiots who think they're insanity is valid. Sound familiar? Those people are behaving exactly like those they hate so passionately. They preach the very essence of what they loathe. I would say it's almost artistic the way they do it but I would be referring to their psychological impairment as artistic. These "new" forms of ignorance concern me. Root word: ignore
MATTWER sadly is it tolerating this behavior from this kids to immigrants, look at the illegals who stormed in on government meeting in Texas and started yelling and screaming so much that they had to shut down the meeting.
...I think all of the students should just be expelled for misconduct.
I'm sure some of them can be legally punished for harassment or disturbance of peace as well...
I respect the right to protest, but it's clearly not a peaceful protest if they corner a professor & yell at his face.
Just get rid of the tumors.
That's the most disgusting group of students I've ever seen and it was embarrassing to watch that. Shame on all of them. I agreed with everything the Dean said. When I pay tens of thousands of dollars to attend school, no one gets to tell me I shouldn't be there for a day of the learning I pay for. I recently graduated college. While I was there a prof came in sick because her previous year had gone to the dean with complaints that their classes should be covered by an alternate prof because they're paying for 14 weeks of instruction.
Usually I'm all for students doing whatever in college, because you pay for it. I draw the line when you effect others' choices to make the most of their education. All those kids need to be put in a time out and reeducated. They are an embarrassment to higher learning.
Okay, Right.
(DISCLAIMER) I'm just out of uni myself, and to qualify anyone to accuse me of various labels; I'm a white, queer, disabled, mentally ill person who has to use food banks to eat. i got one year of uni and then dropped out because IT'S SO EXPENSIVE. I'm also british )
I protested a lot as a student, the one that sticks out is a sit in outside the offices of the deputy head because they refused to allow students to publicly transition in school; it was a single sex school, but we had male students come here for certain subjects. They insisted they couldn't change our name on the system, but there was a "nickname" section which could be edited at any time by faculty and it was policy to refer to the student by their nickname. We did our research (2010 equality act) and then sat in until listened to; we then presented our argument to the teachers with 4 elected protesters so as not to overwhelm the meeting, and got school policy changed to allow kids to transition, wear trousers instead of skirts etc. we also tackled issues related to disability etc.
Another occasion we did the EXACT SAME THING to protest a teacher putting in place a restrictive and outrageous rule that insisted that we all bought expensive suits to wear to school in high school, which wtf?
THAT is how you tackle faculty being fuckheads. You don't falsely imprison them, scream at them, or sass them. You bone up on your rights, organise a seriously inconvenient protest, hold it til they listen, and then get some kind of result; only if THE FACULTY become violent do you have the right to do the same.
In this case i don't think they even have a case, and half of the kids should be expelled for manipulating events to get more time on their assignments.
Teeny Tiny Draws You're welcome!
I call myself a progressive and am generally left leaning, I am an 18 year old, mixed race, female college student in SoCal. I completely and utterly AGREE with what Mr. Weinstein says. You do not combat racism with racism, you do not fix the past oppression of races with the oppression of other races. The U.S. is so obsessed with race it is ridiculous. We are humans, we are Americans, the colors of our skins do not matter. No one should be kicked off of campus no matter your race, no one should be selected based on their skin color rather than their skill, and no one should be denied something because of their race. Black, white, red, brown, green, purple or blue. It is that simple. I am extremely disappointed and appalled at the students at Evergreen State College. They choose to be ignorant by not genuinely listening to Mr. Weinstein's point of view, whether it changed their minds or not. You CAN be racist towards white people, just like any other race. How hard is that to understand?
I agree with you. But I have one 'complaint'. Why do you start off by saying you're a progressive, left leaning, 18 years old, mixed race and a female college student?
Ideas and arguments have to stand on their own, not on the identity of the person saying it. The fact that you feel the need to say it, because it would raise the impact of what you are saying is part of the problem. It is the basis upon for this entire shitfest
I'm not targeting you specifically. I understand this is something you have been taught as a good way of making impact. But the fact that this is the case is just so sad, no? The fact that you feel that your identity gives you credence, I find that insane.
It's not about credence or weight, it's about context and nuance.
why do you start off the exact same way Breezy Artist did then state your opinion?
Shangori if she didn't lead with that I feel that people would attack her for being a racist anti whatever. It's less a problem with the answer and more a problem with the readers that so often jump to conclusions. not all, but some.
BreezyArtist I hate how people think that you can't be racist against white people. white people are horrible people who think that they are better then everyone else and we all get everything handed to us on a silver spoon. Ugh. (that's my rant cause I can go on and on). thank you for your post cause you say what I think.
As an African American, I've grown to be disgusted with the discourse on college campuses. People assuming you are for their movement based off race. The sheer amount of hypocrisy and irony is astonishing. When I discuss religion, immigration, or freedom of speech, everyone is agreement except for when it comes to questioning the group they identify with. When people start to regard the color of their skin or choice of their religion as defining characteristics of who they are, rather than the content of their character, society begins to devolve.
We've reached a point where those who once were held back by religion, ethnicity, or gender are ironically using the same arguments that once held them back for a fair shake at the table.
BellCrest 🙏🙏🙏
Currently in my third year of college, and on more than one occasion I've been expected by my peers to agree with them solely on the grounds that we were both black. However, I've never had an interaction with any student like the ones in those crowds. It's honestly sickening to me. They're angry because a teacher wants people to be hired based on merit rather than skin color. That's not fighting for equality, that's just trying to get ahead and bring someone else down in the process.
To assume there are no racist in the world is foolish. Is it not ironic how the same people who rage at perceived racism do not have confidence in the people of their own community to meet the standards based upon their own merit? Forcing diversity is no different from enforcing an all white segregation policy; they both accomplish the same thing, denying people who are best suited for those roles from being there.
As someone who has grown up in Washington, I know that Evergreen has a reputation for having a number of students who tend towards the extreme left. I'm not surprised this happened, but I am very disappointed.
Cornering a professor and not allowing him to explain himself not only suppresses his rights, but suppresses a chance at meaningful conversation and lasting change. Instead of calmly expressing their thoughts and feelings, these students made it very clear that they had no intention of hearing the professor out.
It is so frustrating to see people refuse to hear thoughts/opinions/feelings that differ from their own. Regardless of how you feel about what the Professor wrote in his email, the events that followed are completely unacceptable.
Jennifer LeRoy This is what the media has done to our youth...
These groups don't want discussion, only capitulation, which is the whole point of these things.
I'm not gonna say every group is like this, but it baffles and amazes me when minority groups scream about racism and equality.. Then turn around, and be racist against white people, while saying that somehow hate and discrimination of anyone with pale skin isn't racist. And just in case anyone honestly thinks that isn't racism, let me get a definition for you: "Racism, Noun: the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races." SO technically, even spouting about white people having 'white privilege' is a form of racism. Food for thought.
That email was like. So not racist?? It seemed pretty inclusive to me..? Those students need to be expelled.
Cassie Maay ZOMBIESCEKS mob mentality for sure
I'm completely in agreement with the professor on the whole "give the most qualified person the job" (and the other thing), If I had to hire a person to do some work for me, I'd hire them for what they could do, not race, color, religion... etc
And I love how they just shout and then cheer for each other, even if they were right, it doesn't matter after what they did, if anything is holding back progressiveness, ironically it is those people!
Oh, and it is funny how they actually can't or don't want to have a productive conversation that could make everybody's life easier...
Ehab Younes did you like bot your own comment
Ehab Younes So with you on this. I'm from Northern Ireland where there's a massive Protestant/Catholic divide, and every job application here has a section where they essentially say "To prove we don't care what religion you are, tell us what religion you are". It makes no sense.
They act like they're oppressed and in a racists school, yet they are the ones who tried to organize a day without white people. They're the ones who are surrounding the staff and yelling at them. How are they oppressed lol??
Yeah I'm progressive and went to a liberal college and Jesus, those students are idiots. Listen to your professors! Most of them are actually rather reasonable - I hope the students look back on this footage and become embarrassed in the future. Jobs should most definitely go to those most qualified.
It's crazy, right? I was all for them planning a day where they all fuck off (probably to party or something) so they 'prove that their voices and contributions are needed' or whatever. But they flipped script and tried to force out white students and teachers instead. And when the professor told them off (politely as shit! like TOO polite!), he's now getting harassed like mad.
I feel like we should segregate colleges again. One campus for normal people, and the other for these extreme-left crazy people who want to pay thousands and thousands of dollars to never be challenged.
What those students did at Evergreen State is disgusting. It's bigoted to shut down a conversation and not even listen to someone simply because they do not fit your agenda. They need some real schooling. And this is coming from a 14 year old.
what is a conversation really?
Santa5125 you should really look up the definition of "bigot". Sure they're idiots, but bigotry is a huge leap.
Santa5125 preach
Jackal Unleashed What they students were doing wasn't a conversation. It was a monologue. They shouted and screamed at the teachers and didn't even let them reply. That's not a conversation if only one group is allowed to speak
Imagine what would've happen if the roles were reverse.
ruel King Everything would have been seen as wrong.
There's a simple rule I use to define and aid equality. If you make a sentence with a group name in it (Black, white, Asian, gay, lesbian, Apache helicopter(Snarketh the raven)) then you should be able to substitute any other group in. If it's racist for one, it's racist for all. The path to equality is justice now, not revenge for the past.
TheLolzKnight that has to the way anyone has ever put it.
You forgot to mention the fact that police were called for that professor's safety, and "protesters" were blocking the way in. The police had to go around the building and find another way in, which obviously took much longer then it should have.
The fact that the police didn't just bulldoze their way in is terrible in itself...but isn't this some sort of very serious crime?? To stop police from getting into a building and helping someone who might have seriously needed it? Anyone blocking police from a building is a complete scumbag and deserves nothing but horrible things. I am actually appalled that something like this can go unpunished.
gdoggcasey Black liberal college students are scary. Not in a physical way, but a social way. If the cops would of done something and possibly hurt one of them or caused an escalation, then they would be bombarded with accusations of racism, nazism, or whatever buzzword you can fit in a tweet. That's the same problem the faculty faces. They have to walk on eggshells around these kids, bc they are so quick to accuse whites of all these horrible things. Imagine grading a paper and getting accused of racism bc you gave a minority a bad grade, even if it was a bad paper and deserved a bad grade. This kind of crap is the future of America.
Yep they would throw all the cards at them lmao. Absolutely sickening people these are.
Bret himself (I personally witnessed him saying this) actually said that he did not believe that police should have been called, as he did not feel like he was in physical danger
The girl saying that the faculty should know about this protest so that the students do not get penalized is a new level of stupid. They are protesting on their own time so they need to take responsibility for their own actions.
Stephen Downs exactly. These people are soft, and don't understand what logic is.
Stephen Downs I agree, she even said a few seconds before that they were there on their own time, then contradicting herself
As a student in college studying network engineering, I am disgusted by those students harassing the faculty. Nothing about what he wants changed is racist, it makes skill the biggest hiring factor. If I am going to be taking a class, I want the best instructor I can get who was the most qualified person the school interviewed. I am lucky as I attend a small school next to the Microsoft campus and have a lot of very talented instructors because of this location. It’s sad to think they don’t want the best education possible….
I totally agree with what you said about the college students. He was simply stating his opinion and what his plans were the day that they wanted all whites to leave campus.
As a Black male myself, I believe that Evergreen's community after this man wanted change and just asked something simple of the community, and he got backlash. They then took it upon themselves to basically RIOT. They believe they were protesting, I believe they were rioting. Its absolutely disgusting and they may need to be punished.
They won't be punished. The president of Evergreen college is a pathetic, empty shell of a man who has made it his job to cave to their demands, and coddle them like spoiled children. That college must be in a desperate financial situation to operate this way, when you also consider that they have a 98.9% acceptance rate.
Well, this was everything short of a riot, of which there is anarchic violence and looting.
This was simply a bunch of brain dead retards drinking too much kool-aid who formed a mob. This is the mob mentality we have seen all too often. The sad thing is, this is what some whites used to do to blacks, shout at them, belittle them, often to no one to really side with them. But these idiots can't even see they are now the exact same thing they love to cry out about in history. Sad state of the world.
All I saw was a bunch of people screaming and not reaching their goal at all and evidently fucking up their chances of being heard. Nobody wants to listen to people cornering a man and yelling at him, diminishing a phobia because that man was clearly about to shit himself and still continuing with their asshattedness. I mean.. is this even a protest when they cross so many lines? I agree with you.. This was, and is, how riots start. They start as "protests" and keep crossing lines. Not to forget how they made fun of the guy who said he was going to help them. They should be suspended for bad behavior. This was just such flakey behavior. They could've had it so much more civil.. Yet they went for "duhh buhhh wut a brain is??"
OT: That white girl who is like "I don't know what I'm doing here but I'm here anyway".
This kind of crap is why so many college grads are unemployable. Try starting a riot because all the white people at your office refuse to take an unpaid day off to appease your fee-fees and see how fast you are fired and/or arrested.
I can't believe that so many of these students are just blindly following this "protest" I also cannot comprehend how you are not able to independently think about what they are doing and how far away from actually protesting you are 😶
This is history sadly repeating itself. You'd think black people would be happy there isn't segregation currently......
As an educator and university student, I'm annoyed that the students were asking their principal or dean to send a mass email to excuse their homework assignments. Professors put assignments in the syllabus at the beginning of the term, you had plenty of time to do it. You can still protest or participate in your cause and do your homework. As for missing class for the Day of Absence, I can see a professor being more lenient on that.
As a teacher, I have to agree with you. I'd support students asking for extra time for an assignment missed while protesting only if it was an assignment to be done in class and they asked before hand.
J. Wa. no that's stupid. take time from your studies to protest something that is out of your paid for education don't ask for leeway or extra time you don't deserve it you decided to take yourself out of class to protest something that the faculty is agreeing with you on idiots
I am a student and I completely agree. I understand that it's a special event for them but they can still turn in work on time. They can either turn it in early or scan and e-mail it to their professor the day of when they have the time to do so. I understand excusing the single day of coming into class for this activity in support but to say that all assignments will just need to get turned in late isn't a reasonable demand in my opinion. They should have communicated with their professor with plenty of notice. It seems overwhelmingly confusing too, they said to excuse everyone but the students clearly don't want white students involved. Though the e-mail excuses all students (at this rate class should be cancelled!) will they be upset if they find out white people took advantage of this excuse? Maybe in preparation for the future years to come they will have a "holiday" set for that day.
armyguy1091 that's sort of what we are talking about with being prepared for students to protest or participate in a recognized day. I agree though because with protest comes sacrifice and you have to decide how to handle that. If I wanted to protest for any reason, because I am a responsible student and accountable for my own learning, I would get the assignment done beforehand and have it turned in. Just because I have a protest to get to doesn't mean I can't send a quick email with my assignment attached. Or drop it by the campus if possible. There is flexibility with higher education but you are held accountable for your grades.
While I am not a formal teacher by trade (I am a research assistant that helps teach topics over organic chemistry as well as lab sections), I do agree with you. I have helped set up several syllabi that have the entire list of homework assignments, tests, and days they are due. They have, generally, plenty of time to get the work done. Unless there is a family emergency or health issue, there generally isn't an excuse to not have your assignments turned in.
Do we need to start teaching classes on how to properly protest so that students stop turning into a mob of overly aggressive and whiny 5 year olds in order to get what they want? Granted, the rest of us aren’t much better. But...man! Schools have a clear authority structure that should be respected.
personally the students are just shouting at him with no mercy and not having a conversation. How can they progress if they don't communicate. Whether he was in the wrong or not, I personally don't think so, he shouldn't be judged too much because of his opinion.
I think it is fine to judge someone based off an opinion, but not acceptable to silence them or claim the high ground while refusing to listen to what they have to say.
RobinOP02 Well everyone can be judged based on their opinion.
Dominique Jackson but not discriminated against for it
It's more than silencing, it's mischaracterization. It's abuse.
RobinOP02 judging someone based on their opinions is fine, the problem here and in most of these cases is the misrepresentation/misunderstanding of the opinion
I think most of us are in agreement that what the students did is wrong, and that the professor had a valid point. What I want to know is, how can we make the students who are doing this see the hypocrisy and wrongfulness of their actions? What's the best way to reason with these people? Constructive answers from anyone are appreciated but I would be especially interested in hearing from Phillip himself, seeing as he's done a pretty good job of fostering good discourse in his audience already.
And thus, everyone will mass like your comment so he sees because god _damn_ is it a good one.
Good question. I don't know if they'll understand what they did was wrong unless they get out of their group mentality. They're always in groups and they think anything they do is the right thing as long as they have support from others who think like them. They need people with different viewpoints to stand up for what they believe.
This is what happens when Marxist professors brainwash students. Academia is a swamp that needs to be drained.
You don't reason with them. You wait for them to "revolt" and shoot all of them because they decided they wanted to revolt with the side that is against guns going against the side that has all the guns.
Thymine by expelling them and having a 0 tolerance policy towards their racist shit. they clearly are smart enough to get a degree
"Would you like to hear the answer or not?" "No." - it doesn't sound like any conversation it just seems like they are upset so they are looking for someone to scream at, threaten, and harass. Saying they need to let their teachers know they are on some sort of strike so they can't turn in their homework just sounds like an excuse to not go to classes? They are there paying to get education.... Why are they harassing the school over something so simple.
Yep, these types of protests always seem to show up around finals as well, and the first demand is to cancel finals and just pass everyone because we're to upset to study, it's disgusting.
Thank you for standing up against the mob and standing for true justice on this Philip!
Blocking people from campus based on skin color is racist, regardless of which skin color that is. I completely support having open discussions about racism that happens on campus and how to combat it, but maybe all colors should be involved in those discussions.
In past generations this event was a traditional meeting of the like minded to assess their situation on campus and attempt to plan ways to enact any changes they feel they need. A Mixed audience for those discussions would turn counter productive very quickly. Not that mixed audience discussions aren't needed as well...but the students have the opportunity to have those conversations every day. By granting that day for the minority groups to not be expected to maintain the mixed environment and instead able to have a more safe way to talk about the hard topics without worrying about backlash from potential opposition. Basically, it is one of the oldest safes-space events in this country and one of the few times where you will see me defend that kind of behavior. The environment of a university is supposed to be one of challenge, where ideas are discussed fully open and without concern for safe spaces. Where bad or unpopular ideas can be voiced and then squashed through reason. The last 15 years has seen the college and university environment descend into madness where every special little snowflake requires gentle handling at all times and the unpopular ideas are merely shouted away, correct ideas are dismissed without debate, and incorrect ideas are blindly accepted without challenge all in the name of subverting control of the situation in favor of maintaining the delicate sensibilities of a generation that was never taught about winners and losers in grade school.
I feel so much rage towards the students at Evergreen college. The idiocy and hypocrisy makes me sick.
They really seem to lack administrative leadership at that school.
devonjamesj this was my second year here at Evergreen and I am leaving when the quarter ends in 2 weeks...I honestly can't stand being here any more
Me too. Usually I'm detached on this stuff too. But I think the thing that really got under my skin is that these are academic people... some of the most thankless workers in society, slaving away trying to educate people and better society, and they're getting absolutely shit on by their bratty students. These kids have no fucking concept of what real oppression and hardship is. They are targeting some of the most friendly, gentle, helpful people they are ever going to meet in their life. They would end up in a ditch if they tried to pull this shit in most of the real world and I don't necessarily mean violently... I mean, they'd end up homeless, trying to survive in a ditch.
As a "person of colour", I despise what these students stand for. I hate how morally justified they think they are, I hate how tone-deaf to their own hypocrisy they are. I absolutely hate it. Exclusion has never, and will never be the way toward progress.
"Progressives"
8:03 I was flipping through a notebook of mine from yesteryear one day. In the middle was a long stretch of blank pages, as I am wont to do (my notebook etiquette is terrible). I flipped them quickly, trying to find the place I must have randomly picked back up again. Smack dab in the middle of the blank pages were two insults I have no recollection of writing but are in my awful scrawl, and they remain my favourite insults to this day:
'Douche-canoe'
and
'Twat waffle'
I don't know what prompted me to write them down in such an odd place, but I have no regrets.
I am very heavily liberal, and I don't agree at all with what these students are doing. It really upsets me to see them doing things like this. You can't just force a certain ethnicity to leave the school for an entire day to cater to another ethnicity. If it was any other race they were kicking out for the day it would be a huge racists thing, but because its the white students who are paying thousands of dollars to get a higher education its suddenly ok in their eyes? I hate this double standard when it comes to racism. Any ethnicity can be racist, and just because white people did a lot of absolutely terrible things in the past, everyone's just allowed to throw shit at us at any time now and its not racist? You can't say doing something to one race is racist and have it not be racist to another.
xXEbony RoseXx i agree with you wholeheartedly! thank you!
xXEbony RoseXx I agree, what those students did was not ok and makes me ashamed to be a liberal
xXEbony RoseXx In total agreement.
I've started identifying as a centrist with all this shite going on. 😂
Pretty sure they are students that could be expelled, dismissed, or at the very least suspended.
Life sucks, you cannot simply scream at your boss and keep your job. Maybe it's time we teach these young adults a bit about life.
Benjamin Whary I completely agree.
Benjamin Whary That shit has consequences!
Benjamin Whary Yes atleast suspend them.. But that's gonna cause more unnecessary backlash with racism and oppression as the undertone, just because it's White people dealing the hand.
All I'm saying is:
people have their personal views and they have their right to them, and to protest for change and what not. However there are better ways than to disrupt class and disrespect the teachers.
You want to change something at work you don't scream at your boss or your district supervisor you send emails you retain them, you talk.
You don't scream at people, deny them a voice for retort, and speak ill of them when they state they will work towards your ends.
Colleges have admissions they have grades they have rules, good on the college for listening.
But, after 18, these "adults"need to attempt to act like adults.
Benjamin Whary well it wouldn't help anyone to suspend them even though they deserve it. They should first get them to understand their actions. Otherwise we'd have a group of kids that is mad at things that they didn't really understand raging around for life.
As a African American and currently a third year in medical school I agree with the president of that school. I suggest avoid racist teachers and develop some type of screening... but I want my education from the BEST. If they are all white, all black, all Asian... SO BE IT! Don't let petty stuff limit your education. (But if a teacher/ anyone proves to be racist etc. REMOVE THEM)
greenmamba93 The problem with wanting to "avoid racist teachers" is that college students (and people in general) are idiots. Just look at these stupid kids considering merit-based, racially indifferent employment as racist. The term "racist" has even been perverted to being limited by power, instead of its actual meaning.
And screening is exactly what the professor's opposing, and with good reason. Weinstein's said he's a big believer in anti-bias testing, but not screening because making one that's up-to-par and ethically sound for employment purposes is very hard.
Personally, I feel that the president responded poorly to the situation. Now, I'm not saying the student is in the right, but he could have handled it better. Instead of suggesting "avoid racist teachers", he should have suggested an open discussion in order to come up with a solution to prevent the oppression, NOT firing the teacher. Firing a racist teacher is not to going to stop them from being a racist. In fact, it'll make them worst. What they need is to 1) hire un-biasedly and based purely on the merits and skills and 2) promote an open-environment to resolve misunderstandings and hate that will cause racism.
Also, I don't think it's petty. It could be these students felt the "racist teachers" are teaching unfairly or not adhering to their needs as a student. I don't know the situation so I can't say for sure. Now, I do understand the desire for the BEST education (I mean, hey, I'm paying THOUSANDS of dollars, better get my money's worth) but this is definitely not petty stuff if they're oppressed and unable to learn.
greenmamba93 exactly i agree woth you we should not care about skin color we should care about what you know in a school place
That said, I would argue that, on equal merit, faculties with little diversity should prioritize diverse faculty members. This would help promote the discipline taught by that faculty member to future college students, who can then look at their teachers and think that they have a positive outlook there. As a physics student, most of my teachers are male. For a girl who visits the university thinking of applying in physics, she might see the absence of female staff and think: "Maybe I don't belong in this field." The same goes for any minority. So if two applicant have the same, or nearly equivalent, credentials, it would be better to go for the one who increases diversity.
Other fact about Evergreen State College y'all should know: Here in WA, one of the most liberal states in America, that college is seen as a "Hippie Haven." Like, they dont believe in giving grades there. Just saying.
Yikes
As an engineering student, I agree with the professor. Professors and faculty should be hired based on skill - not ethnicity, religion, etc. I frankly don't care about anything other than a professor's skill; if they can teach well and produce research, that is the only requirement. I feel the students are very ignorant. And this is coming from a Canadian Liberal (which is WAY more left than your conservatives in the US; in fact, our conservatives are the most right wing party in Canada).
SimmonSays I also think that skill is the most important thing for a teacher. Also as one of the only girls in my engineering classes I get told that it offends my classmates girlfriends when we study together. This is a smaller example but being told that you can't do the things required to be successful in your education such as going to class/ or studying it hurts. I think that this day is great for the community on both sides because when non black people go to school and see what there peers bring they themselves are able to help be part of the solution and not the problem.
SimmonSays That's a liberal arts college for ya
Same. Though admittedly I changed from Engineering to Physics, I'd much prefer someone who could accurately convey information they're required to teach over someone who was hired as*an enthnic reason*. I'm paying money to learn my interest in career and skills it'd take to perform in that career.
Then again, you have these over-exaggerated lefts and rights that sort of paint a stereotype of people who belong to these parties, but are possibly more centrist. I am, and I think that entire ordeal demands not only a mass apology by most of those rioting children, but somehow teaching them how to actually be cordial despite feeling a certain way.
Also this may also give a stereotype of young adults in America: This is absolutely not a huge representation of us in the system, but this probably goes on more than its' reported.
Exactly think of surgeons and doctors. I would rather have an all black or all white or all asian or w/e team of doctors treating me who are amazing at their jobs rather than a mixed team that suck at their jobs just for the sake of diversity. You get whoever is best for the job, religion, ethnicity and all the rest shouldn't matter.
"We tried to have a conversation with him..." Bullshit. A conversation is not cornering someone and outright refusing to hear an answer.
Exactly, and sadly that's the problem nowadays. Like these people demanded to be heard, but they shut out people who have a different view on an issue. That's just fucking hypocritical.
These kids are monsters. They are not having an level headed conversations with any of the faculty. They are screaming and acting like entitled brats who only calm down for a minute when they get called out on their shit. Being a liberal myself, this makes me cringe.
It's rare to see intelligent liberals such as yourself these days. I'm neither. But I am sick and tired of seeing the same shit by liberals each fucking day. I know there's bad on both sides. But it's constant, and then the elites in charge of the democrat's party are shady as fuck. I know the core values of liberals are nice. But it's rotten to core with the supporters, and the people high up the ladder. They really seem to be such a burden on western civilization. Much more than people on the right. (even the cunts who are racists, would rather see America succeed than fail.)
It's actually not rare to see an intelligent liberal. They just don't get spotlighted because they're not loud don't make a huge scene. Therefore they are not news worthy. They're out there if you search for them
Random Af don't make this a political thing. Think about what everyone else does at college and realize that everyone does dumb stuff in college.
I agree with you. I am also liberal and I do not approve of the students' conduct. However, there is another part to this story that is concerning. Freedom of speech (even poorly conducted freedom of speech like theirs) needs to be protected. "There's now a proposal to privatize the school, removing all state funding, from Republican State Representative Matt Manweller." You can not take 24 million dollars worth of funding from a school because the students said things you did not like. The students acted immaturely. I agree but privatizing the school is a scary precedent to set. "Led by Republican State Rep. Matt Manweller, the legislators are considering revoking $24 million in state funding."
I would rather something as fucked up as no interracial marriage or no same sex marriage from the 60's be still around then a generation full of Starbucks slurping borderline mentally ill snowflakes floating around United States campuses.
This shit is a disease, and the more these staff members let the students walk all over them, the worse it will get. The only way for these little spoiled pieces of shit to learn anything is by kicking out the ones who do this shit. You can have all the little safe spaces and shit you want, but when you get your entire snowflake platoon from the safe space provided for you just to scream at your superior over something so menial and trivial as someone having a different viewpoint then you then you should be expelled.
The very first thing students should sign as a contract of entering a college campus:
In the interest of a campus that is open and inclusive to the marketplace of ideas, the college requires that the following rules be acknowledged and followed.
I hereby affirm that I will respect the space, life, and difference of opinion of all students, faculty, administration,and visitors by complying with the following:
1. Any physical threat, vandalism or the explicit promotion of physical violence will be met with suspension or possible expulsion. Any attempt to purposefully interrupt, delay, remove or otherwise hinder the work of any staff or officially sanctioned speaker on campus will be met with suspension or possible expulsion.
2. The college does not predicate the dismissal of staff or students on the basis of personal beliefs, unless such personal belief puts them in violation of the terms of paragraph 1.
3. Protests are acceptable provided that they do not violate the terms of paragraph 1.
So one ethnic group wants to tell another ethnic group they're not allowed to go somewhere?
I thought we outlawed that.
That girl said "we are here on our own time". Yes, did you think that protesting and speaking with the president of the university about various issues is classwork? And also that they didn't want to get penalized for not turning in assignments... the purpose of that institution is to educate and not cater to their protests or what they do on their free time. Protesting for a cause you believe in is more than okay with most reasonable people but if you don't get you job or schoolwork done while doing that it's absolutely on you.
Jordan Bestland 100% that's not their problem. You can't get your work done earlier than don't fucking protest 😑
Imagine getting a job and you go tell your boss that you are just going to leave for a week, after already having a deadline set, and that you will not be responsible for getting the job done in time. These kids are in for a rude awakening once they hit the job market. This shit aint gonna fly #YouFired
100% agree!! You can't use "I'm upset and want to complain about it!" as an excuse to get out of your responsibilities.
Yeah, you can't really protest an institution and then insist that you enable you to protest. At that point, who are you really protesting? And who is stupid enough to help you protest themselves?
Exactly! That pissed me off more than anything. This is college, you decide what work you do and what classes you attend. Don't want to get penalized? Do what you're supposed to do or deal with the consequences.
I think those CHILDREN should probably stop riling each other up. It's sickening how incredibly nieve they are in an adult learning environment.
Kathy is now playing the victim now. people never learn.
I am seriously embarrassed to be a liberal leaning human right now. these students' actions are the reason why conservatives are unable to take anything we say seriously.
I used to be that kind of conservative, but then liberals like Sargon of Akkad and Phil changed my perspective. I now realize that we have a common enemy in the leftist SJWs. :)
I am lucky I changed my political views and party a few years ago. As much as I disagree with the left now I can't help but pity any reasonable liberal because of people like these students.
The extremes of both sides always made the others look really bad. After all the extremes of both sides seem to change things from a line to a circle and the extremes are practically twin brothers and sisters who hate each other.
also socialism doesnt work.
Sadly, both sides have gone off the deep end these days. I have trouble deciding which is worse most of the time.
I'm black myself and when I listened to you read the email I honestly saw nothing wrong with it. It made since and I don't see why these students were so triggered. In my opinion I would like to be taught by someone who knows what they're doing, not because of their color, just you know, their level of teaching ability.
Reda Bronze exactly
its sad because these people further taint the image of black folk
Personally I completely agree with Bret, getting a job should be exclusively about your capacity to perform that job. Race, gender and other factors should be completely irrelevant. I also agree with his stance relating to the Excluding white people day. I think it is a real shame that all these students are actively trying to shut down the honest conversation that could occur here with their hate-blinded actions.
The Pirate King Totally agree that the Excluding White People Day is dumb and at best counterproductive ... but, I don't agree that race and gender should be completely irrelevant when it comes to hiring, at least not in all cases. I come from a community that has a legal aid clinic that deals with First Nations (aboriginal) clients at least 50% of the time. This clinic has a mix of white and native people working there. Thing is, the white employees don't always work out. One in particular had trouble understanding and relating to his clients and eventually quit quite suddenly leaving everyone with a mess to clean up. Regardless of that person's qualifications, he lacked the perspective necessary to relate to his clients, and his clients feeling that disconnect did not always work well with him. This doesn't always happen with white employees there, but can you really blame the clinic for going with a safer bet and considering race due to the kind of work they do? As a side note, yes, if your job is to teach science then your number one consideration for hiring you should be that you understand science and can teach it, just as the qualifications for being a lawyer must be considered at the legal aid clinic. But after that, why not consider someone's race or gender if you have reason to believe it will improve the quality of their performance (i.e. Better reflects the diversity of the student population)? I'll agree that those kids didn't sound like they were being that nuanced, though ...
Wesley King Thanks for the reply dude, I hadn't really considered it from that angle, I was only really considering the perspective in the video. Replies like this are great and help contribute to a genuine discussion, which is what I love about the Philip DeFranco show. Wouldn't it be nice if those students could learn what a discussion is, eh…
Wesley King This was a really well thought out point thank you. I was more of the opinion that people should be hired based on qualifications not race or gender however your point about for some roles you need to understand clients perspective is a good point
Not a fan of racism myself but when you're going berserk at someone for being racist then you fall into their stereotype and fuel their racism further. Common sense.
Theyre going to hate us anyways. *shrugs*
You heard about that black gentleman who befriended a bunch of KKK members which caused them to leave the KKK? Look that up.
He wasn't racist, though.
I know. But the overly-passionate-egging-eachother--on students think that.
FictitiousName he wasn't being racist
Honestly, on the campus story, I think that it's perfectly ok if Black people don't go to college on that day. However, trying to kick another group off campus if they do want to be there is a different thing entirely. Also, the entire email incident where the want the dude fired is completely wrong. He was voicing his opinion that people wouldn't be happy if they weren't allowed to go to school on one day, because that would be discrimination. Now the students. Oh boy. They have no right to yell at the teachers that are just trying to do their jobs, and go about their day peacefully, and in my opinion (because free speech is a thing) that was totally inappropriate. They also have no right to storm the presidents office and demand that email guy (that's his name now since I don't really feel like re-watching the section) be fired, just because he tried to say that people wouldn't be happy being kicked off campus for a day. In my opinion the "protestors" went across the line.
MCSPARTA1030 yes thank you!
MCSPARTA1030 Not to mention that demanding that students not be in trouble for not turning in homework because they're protesting is ridiculous. The world doesn't stop turning because you're protesting.
Also, been rude and yelling at people or talking over them doesn't get a point across it just shows how rude you are.
MCSPARTA1030 I'm I
Agree, its all about consent, if somebody tells you you can but you wont thats fine, but if somebody tells you you cant- i feel like its not fair. I have no idea why students are against this teacher for me he seems totally reasonable.
MCSPARTA1030 I'm upset that he tells them he has claustrophobia and they yell about how now he has to deal with what they deal with. l
Like if you understand how he feels give the guy some room
I think the campus story was really annoying to me honestly. Choosing teachers SHOULD be based on skill, that's not racist, who cares what color they are, you should care about how well of a teacher they are. Also colored people chose to leave the campus to show their impact, importance and how they can improve their campus. Saying their should be a white absence is forcing it on them without them wanting to. The black absence had good intentions to improve campus, but the white one is with no intention and it's literally just being racist. I'm white and I wouldn't want to do it, and the fact is that the students wouldn't even let him explain his point and cornering him is disgusting to me.
choosing colored teachers to diversify the staff is like choosing white guy to work for a company: "Hey we know you might not be smart, but it looks good to have you here".
Nathan Becker 100% agree. shit. if I'm paying for my education my fucking profs better be chosen by skill. I could give two less fucks about diversity. These kids are literally saying "fuck our education and money we want diversity"
Agreed fellow pug. I don't get how there are so many people willing to try to defend equality of outcome over equality of opportunity.
holy geezzus! 100 % agree. The students were acting like such children in my eyes, I'm glad most people saw the disgusting behavior too.
Its almost like they are hypocrites and an angry mob.
Damn... I'm a black college student that leans to the left and I had a serious problem with all that. They're doing a complete disservice to themselves by not communicating in an adult, respectful way. I get being emotional but that was absolutely ridiculous.
At my college last year there was a hate crime on campus against a group of black students, and the campus came together and had a great public forum open to any students or faculty/staff with concerns. Everybody was incredibly respectful, and though it got emotional and somewhat tense at times a lot seemed to get hashed out and our campus community really came together and created some great events and fundraisers to raise awareness and bring people together. I really hope people don't look at all college students, liberals, or black people negatively because of their bullshit because this really isn't how educated adults act. They should be ashamed.
Natalie King thank you for this, you give me hope for our future.
Natalie King Yeah it's okay they disagree with him, but he wasn't yelling at them and not letting them talk or blocking their way.
well said.
Natalie King Black Americans are the most openly racist and hateful people in this country. Those clips of black students openly speaking hate to white people is just further proof.
I agree completely the only thing they've done here is gives tons of ammunition to the ones they oppose and completely discredited themselves.
the funniest part of this is they stalked& recorded EVERYTHING to have proof (& transparency??) of how badly they're treated; therefore, forcing the faculty to follow through.. but it's actually the thing that destroyed them!
They should just expel all the students who are on video harassing teachers. It's not okey to corner and verbally abuse a colleague at a work place or a member of staff of any company, you'd be banned from the store immediately. Why are they getting away with this reprehensible attitude.
BlueGlowingLight4 Expelling might be a little harsh but they do need to face something. I'd hate to see their futures ruined because of their stupidity now. We just need to break our children of this mindset. I will never tolerate my kids acting that way and I can only hope that the parents of these kids feel the same
+Chris Downs I don't know, I really think they need to get some form of punishment. This is not acceptable. I don't know what sort of punishment would send a strong enough message other than expulsion, but this kind of threatening behavior is just unacceptable for anyone, no matter what they believe.
Nooooo, students should be defending no matter what they do in fighting hegemonic instabilities of both culture in backgrounds to fight systematic oppression and -
blah blah expel them. inexcusable.
Expelling is NOT harsh. Mob mentality on college campuses is out of control. It needs to be slammed down now.
I feel sorry for teachers who have to put up with this shit when all they are there for are to educate their students. these teachers clearly are not racist in any way and the students are just using this entire situation as an excuse to cause a fuss and get attention, not to mention create excuses for not getting their work done. These students are discusting, immature, little brats.
The way these kids act makes me so angry. They are so far beyond what they are supposed to be fighting for. They can't debate/converse about any of their issues, it's hard to believe they think this behavior is productive.....
This is the result of underdeveloped brains, filled with hormones, trying to find a purpose in life while others in the same position cheer them on. Meanwhile, the people who run the college are so concerned about offending the students and having them leave with their parent's piggy banks, so they just let them run wild.
Dream Now that's what I'm talking about, relevant debate with good talking points. You should try that in real life.
Dream You are entitled brats who have never experienced any hardships that come with living in the real world. Try that shit outside of a liberal college and you will find yourself living with your parents... dood.
I know right? Acting pompous as fuck. Hate that attitude.
Samuel Zaggs DAMN
I'm from Washington State and this is just embarrassing. Washingtonians are traditionally radical but this is just ignorant.
man what has it come to when saying that the best person should get the job is a racist statement
JACKx0FxSPADES just that whole situation makes me sick and is a huge part of the reason I became an independent, just the blind ignorance of both the left and the right are baffling.
yeah up until a year ago I used to consider myself very liberal but now I
usually just say I'm a left leaning centrist to distance myself from batshit ideologues like those students
How could talk to their teacher like that (get the fuck out)... so disrespectful
Can't expect much from this spoilt brats with their shitty little degrees that they are studying for.
Because they're paying customers.
I'm very left leaning and even I agree that the students are completely out of line. You don't resolve issues by shouting at your professors and college deans. As Phil was reading the email he sent out I didn't find anything wrong with it. I agree, if you want to form your own protest, by all means do it. It's your right to protest. But to ask other students to stay away from the campus? That's ludicrous.
Would you please tell me what does "very left leaning" means? I've always wanted to know what is the deal with the left. Like what is it that you want from society, or the government, what is the general philosophy behind the "very left leaning" or just the left in general? Thank you!
+ionutxxdan i cant' speak for Dani but ime very heavily left wing. I can answer any questions you may have.
As from society i want a level playing field but a society that spreads the wealth to those unfortunate, that means society should be meritocratic but realize the world is not Intrinsically just and people can struggle and there should be help for the unlucky/unfortunate of us.
That means social/universal healthcare/education/house-care and it needs to be run well like many Nordic countries do.
Of course this means heavy taxes on those that can afford it.
Jimmy Panda honest question not trying to be rude. I don't know your wealth. if you worked your butt off and made 200,000 a year would you want to give up half of it. I wouldn't myself. the next question would be would you wanna live with another family or two. The reason I ask that is because everything would be so expensive most likely the rich would be the only ones to afford a house to there selfs
Dani Zuniga Agreed
I agree Dani. I think the discussion about race that the professor wanted to hold for students and staff of all races and backgrounds would be a much better idea. I recently took a sociology class about race and discussions were at the core of that class. I got some really interesting insight that I as a white person never would have known about. There was no shouting or yelling, just civil discussion.
the way that those students are acting is just plain wrong, its disgusting and disrespectful. I hate when people act like that, and expect for people to hear everything they have to say, when they dont listen at all.
what the fuuuuccckkkk dude that behaviour by the students is honestly horrific like I'm so disgusted and scared
Aalaa Stop Yeah it horrifies me. These kids are raised overprotected into self-entitlement and pretend their life is hard.
Then universities are after the money, they won't flunk students because they need their tuition money. Students are CUSTOMERS! WTF!?
That principal shouldn't have conceded at all!
All I'm saying is that their response was so fucking irrational (I consider myself more on the centre left) however I do not condone this behaviour at all. Shouting in people's faces? Threatening teachers? Belittling mental health that goes against their own beliefs and they should learn to react to these situations with rationality.
These are college students whom are there by CHOICE and paid ( or get grants) to attend to get education. If you don't like it, leave and go receive your education at a college you deem fills your requirements for your personal entitlement you feel everyone should conform to you. Out standing job by the faculty for keeping cooler heads while being belittled.
David Deitering yes! Very much agreed.
*Really* good coverage today of difficult issues, this is why I love this channel. Thank you, Phil.
Cinnamon don't you mean covfefe
"These racist teachers gotta go" tf did she do lmao she just like " I'm just trying to get some lunch please move"