This is why you're the most trusted guy on TH-cam, Phil. I don't need you to agree with me, I don't need you to be on my side, I just want to talk to people about these issues. If we all agreed it'd be the nightmare I'm trying to avoid, everyone thinking the same with anyone who has an errant thought punished...and who does that describe?
Right now I am like "What did we expect Anita to do. Aren't there several videos of her flipping out on camera when ever someone questions her believes." Personally, I am pissed about the way Vidcon issued a statement that not only apologizing to Anita but accused some of Sargon's group of getting in illegally. I have yet to hear a story about anyone from that group being kicked out for being there illegally, so how can the make such a claim? Then Anita was still allowed to participate in a harassment panel and afterwards attacked Boogie for basically saying that we need to bond together to stop online harassment.
After a while. you get used to the mental gymnastics. People like Anita have lost all touch with reality with their victim mentality. Or maybe she knows and doesn't care because it's her job to be a victim. Either way, the amount of ass kissing from Vidcon is just pathetic.
Siddhant, he points out that the 1 in 5 thing is bullshit and statistically you're safer from sexual assault in colleges than you are everywhere else. You saying he "...rclaims that ape and sexual assault isn't really a problem..." is a total misrepresentation of his points, as the way you've said it doesn't point out that factually speaking the prevailing idea is utrue, and instead imply that rape is common in colleges and that his viewpoint is that it's not such a bad thing. Anita has lied and lied and stolen and lied. She is, objectively speaking, in the wrong when he's in the right. The "Smear campaign" he led is pointing out that she's a scam artist. It's not a smear campaign to point out peoples immoral and potentially illegal actions, if anything it's activism.
Siddhant Pandey. Sargon replied to Anita starting a 'smear campaign' against every male human being, with gamers, in specific. Also HE told everyone not to engage with Anita and to not harrass her. SHE has been bullying everyone from the start, and now gets her ass covered by these totally ignorant organisers who even claim that they have no idea who they put in charge of an anti-bullying panel, namely a fucking A grade example of a bully.
If she didn't' take the time to point out a member of the audience that she has a quarrel with then most of us would not even know about this.. She gave him the power back and didn't even realize it.
the quarrel she have with him is that he have gone true her video's and point out the mistakes she made (he is a gamer and as a hobby have made a few games/demo's of games) that all he did, he watched her video's and corrected her mistakes.
She yelled at Boogie? Why? Who would do that? This saddens me. Boogie strike me as the kind of guy who would be willing to talk out almost any disagreement, so when someone goes and yells at the guy, I can't help but think that they're in the wrong.
he should lose weight.. even if its his character. Even more so. Damn i cant stand fat people they have exactly 0% excuse. Illness? no excuse. Getting fat then getting ill because of being fat and not being able to lose fat in a normal amount of time then not even trying is not an excuse.
Honestly, Anita should not be invited back, or at the very least, not be a panelist again. She blatantly violated their policies and verbally attacked Boogie. If she isn't the center of attention, she can't get her twisted viewpoint out. This is the problems of victimhood mentality. She identifies as a feminist, and this is the reason so many people don't agree with feminism. The movement has been bastardized and turned into something harmful.
Sexism goes both ways. If it were to be a dude up there saying to a woman "you are a bitch, you're a garbage human" all of the internet would destroy him, but since its anita its all good. I watch the Joe Rogan Podcast that had sargon on it, and the dude kinda made sense. He did nothing to get her attention, he was just sitting there and gets attacked by anita. And then this green guys apologize TO HER. What a load of bullshit. Anita lives off of playing the victim card while also being a sort of bully.
Note what they never said they did? *They never spoke to Sargon. They never spoke to any of the people who were claimed to be intimidating harassers.* They 100% took her word as gospel and refused to even entertain that she behaved inappropriately. "Yeah, she broke the rules, but she had a good reason to do so. So we're gonna let it slide." It's bullshit.
Jirekianu I was watching a video by one of the "harassers" and apparently the reason why they were at their panel is because they wanted to have a conversation with all the feminists and pretty much listen to what they have to say whether they agree or disagree. They weren't at just Anita's panel but a majority of panels that had people like her. For the most part, they did have civil conversations with these people but in Anita's case, she just shuts them down assuming they're out there to harm because they are "garbage human beings". It pretty much sucks when someone from the opposing view wants to listen and talk it then gets completely flamed just because of the person they are
From what I know of Sargon, his 'harassment' of Anita is just criticizing her bullshit. I really also don't understand how she feels threatened when she has all the power in that circumstance - it's her panel, more people are there to support her, not the other way around.
This is the second comment I've seen which consists of a dating profile ad in a non-English language followed by a link to the video that it is commenting on and a bunch of weird video titles involving Spiderman and a character from Frozen.
Absolutely ludicrous. If the roles were reversed a harsher punishment would have been dealt out. Holding beliefs aligning with the creator's of the conference clearly gives her cart blanche to do and say as she pleases because she is part of the "progressive crusade to better the world". What happened to progressivism being a tolerance based movement? It feels as of late to have turned into the defiling and hatred of anyone who doesn't align with their beliefs while simultaneously whining about problems created in the vacuum of social justice. This identitarian nonsense only further exacerbates the issues by creating a divide that can never be mended rather than working towards a common goal of love and acceptance to all regardless of skin color, sexual orientation, or worldview.
The trolls that have hounded Sarkeesian have been all about defiling and hatred. That's not an excuse for her shooting back with venom, but it's not as if she has the lone role in exacerbating things.
I agree with you, there are trolls everywhere you go. It's the example you set for your fans that leads to a greater evolution of conversation. Which neither side has done... It isn't a comment on her overall disposition necessarily, but the environment in which we find ourselves in where conversation and debate falls second to meaningless name calling and hate spewing. It isn't whether she is right or wrong, it's how the problem is being dealt with.
Anita Sarkeesian has constantly and consistently played the victim whenever people have questioned her opinions. She claims "harassment" and "stalking" because the skeptic community has consistently critiqued her claims, not because people are bullying or harassing her as a person and there is a very big difference between a critique and blatant and consistent trash talk. Her and people like her have essentially shifted the overton window to include what she calls "the daily grind" of questions and critiques into her own definition of harassment which does nothing but shut down and stifle conversation. It's a thinly veiled smoke screen for the weak theories and opinions she holds creating a bubble of ignorance. Sorry Phily D., but I feel like you should have been more critical of Anita. She was not bullied even in the slightest, she just felt intimidated by people with differing opinions and then cried for security like a sheltered baby. And people like Hank and John Green only defended her because of political bias. Vidcons enforcement of rules have proven to be one sided in this, they're all a bunch of hypocrites. Especially when they defend someone using a position of power to verbally abuse someone in the audience, rather than ignore them or debate their ideas.
The only reason she's famous at all were because idiots gave her death threats, and she had the sense to record them all. Idiots are still giving her death threats and rape threats (IE: Ammunition for her victim game) and then she lumps in accurate, meaningful critisism with the violent trolls. We allowed troll culture to grow, and this is the result.
Ashley Pleschourt There isn't a simple solution to those situations. Two people were in the wrong in that situation and one more than the other. Especially with the panel discussion, it's hard for the vlogbrothers to do anything without having an entire community outraged. They did their best to denounce both parties and discourage future incidents. You seem to forget that the girl also lost her chance of ever having a platform at VidCon as a consequence of her unacceptable behavior.
Randal Jeffrey remember that time she tweeted screencaps of death threats on twitter only seconds after they were posted (and for some reason she was logged out?)
Two people were in the wrong? What pray tell did Sargon DO at Vidcon or at the panel? Sitting in a seat quietly listening now puts some of the blame on him? Ridiculous.
I am very rarely outright upset by news, but the Greens' response is detestable. It's one thing if Sargon is there being disruptive or walking in with a menacing security detail, but you tubers going to each others panels at a video convention cannot in any sense of the word be inappropriate or threatening.
Sanudasa And they were just sitting. Yes, they were trolling by being there. But they were silent, respectful, and paid for those seats. Anita was the aggressor. Honestly she always is.
If someone is just sitting there not causing an issue and you call him out because you feel threatened? You need to remember a public forum is not your "safe space" and if you're shocked to see people who disagree with you in real life when people disagree with you online. You need a reality check. You subject yourself to the public you will get a taste of all the public not just fans. Grow a thicker skin
Full disclosure: I like Sargon of Akkad and his content and I'm not a big fan of Anita. As far as Anita's response to Sargon, I can understand where it came from, however when mommy and daddy fight you don't do it in front of the kids. Her response was unprofessional at the least and harassment at its worst. I understand that Sargon's fan base can be confrontational, harassing, etc. but two wrongs STILL don't make a right. However, Anita's treatment of Boogie makes my blood boil! Boogie, a long time TH-camr, all around stand up human being, and someone who has spoken out against harassment and bullying on this platform for years. He knew ahead of time that he and Anita would be on the same panel and with that knowledge tailored his points of discussion so they would not be seen as confrontational towards anyone. He gave Anita the respect she thought she deserved as a person yet she refused to give that respect in return. When the panel was over and everyone was leaving the stage Anita, who's job is to be professionally offended, confronted Boogie in a hyper aggressive manner because of his closing statements. Typing anymore is just going to make me mad, just wanted to get some of it out. TL;DR Anita is a despicable human being who doesn't care about anyone's opinion but her own. Love ya Phil, keep being awesome.
Attacking Boogie of all people is simply an inconceivable line to cross. Boogie is one of the nicest people I have ever seen, and attacking him of all people, when he actually took the time to tip toe around her hypersensitive victim complex crazy ass, has actually made me hate her more than I thought possible. I really didn't think she could get more disgusting, but she has.
Anita spent years trolling the ENTIRE GAMING COMMUNITY with outrageous insults. So if she's uncomfortable when a few of them sit quietly in her audience.. maybe it's the sign of a guilty conscience. And Hank Green should be ashamed of himself for taking her side before investigating.
Okay Philip is pretty unbias now, but in 2024 when he's running for president, you just know the Philip DeFranco Show isn't going to represent Kanye West fairly
Supreme I cannot imagine it being far different from Trump's presidency in terms of inexperience, maybe more superficial scandals like Kanye refusing to wear a suit and tie everyday...I could see him being for the people,
The dumb internet drama at a dumb internet video convention is easier for dumb people to process compared to accepting the reality that CNN has been lying to them and that big bad trump isnt really connected to the bad guy ruskies.
It's because most people know already that news in the US aren't neutral since a long time from every sides, so there is nothing to discuss here since it's like discussing the fact that water is wet.
I honestly wish Phil would look further into Anita. I saw a lot about her taking money from fans to produce videos that were never made and other sketchy shit from channels like TheAmazingAtheist. Seems like every other story I've seen surrounding her points to her and other radical feminists shouting bullshit. The VidCon decision seems weak to me too, seems like its a move to avoid the bad press that would come from said radical feminists being louder than everyone else. No one should get death threats but Anita has been using the same harassment and victim narrative for years. I think she should be allowed to put her ideas out there, but I also think everyone else has the right to point out why it may be bullshit, and I wish someone like Phil with a large audience and the respect of the TH-cam community for giving everyone a fair trial would look into her past and give us his findings.
Oh gotcha, I haven't paid any attention to her in quite some time. Last I heard was that she "finished" them but she didn't make a significant portion of the ones she promised to. Could definitely be wrong though
I feel like at this time just about everyone has taken shots so much it's sorta cyber bullying at this point. Not that I support her at all. I'm just starting to feel bad for her at this point.
How much of a messed up individual do you have to be bully Boogie? honestly it's like drop kicking a kitten. She is one messed up human being, and Hank and his brother are her enablers.
I have my degree in broadcast journalism. I was a freelance reporter during the protests in 2014 after the shooting of Mike Brown. After that, I could not do news anymore after what I saw from big news sites. The CNN video leak just confirms it all. When he said it's all, "cutest little ethics" talk in Journalism, I could see that was just what I learned in college and was not prominent in the actual work field. I even saw my local news faking stuff. I prefer independent reporters, but there are still good ones out there too. Just remember though, there's always a motive to sell. When it's an independent person, they aren't as controlled by a head person to write what narrative they're trying to push. Reporters in all news stations get shut down all the time for stories that don't seem like they're going to, "sell." Now I'm glad I have actually video proof of what I have been telling people for years about the news.
Chadisms i think it is too harsh for google. They have all rights to show whatever they want in their search result. If people dont like it they can go use bing or yahoo.
I've been on YT for years and am surprised I haven't found this channel until now. I love it. I love your content and I love the discussions and questions you bring up. Glad I can be a part of it now!
The way Sarkeesian handles stuff is that everyone that is a critic of hers is guilty of harassment. People pointing out she lied in a video? Harassment. People pointing out her argument is baseless? Harassment. People pointing out that criticism isn't harassment? Harassment. Some of what she gets is real, but most of it isn't. It's so bad she's had to go as far as to fake death threats and the like because nobody was actually doing these things to her and she needed to fuel her victim complex. Sargon and the entire crew have gone on record time and time and time again asking people, not just to not harass her, but to leave her alone because she's such a sensitive person and her fans will go after you IRL. She is a shameless con artist, hypocrite and professional victim playing off people's emotions in order to trick them out of money and push her politics. The lowest of the low as far as ways to make a living. Pointing that out though? That's just harassment.
This exactly. Unfortunately feminism is a cult mentality and anyone who pretends to be a feminist must back the other up no matter what. That's why Hank backed her up.
Uzziya there are progressives and then there are social justice warriors who fight for inadequate causes that have *nothing* to do with the oppression of women. I agree with you wholeheartedly. Anita hurts real feminism.
I think some of the most concerning aspects of the secret interview are the "ethics in the media" comments. One of the most important ideals of a free and functional democracy is a free and fair press that works for the people in exposing the truth in an honest way, and if major news organizations set the precedent of ignoring journalistic ethics it is very troublesome for the future of both media and democracy in general.
The Anita story is insane. Sargon sitting there is the equivalent of an opposing fan going to watch a game at the other teams home arena. They have every right to be there just like Sargon has every right to be in Anita's "home audience/arena."
Mr.Talent yeah it's like a Giants fan going to a Dodgers v Giants game in LA or vice versa The Giants fan is probably going get heckled just because he went to that particular game.
They were not doing what visiting team fans at any sporting event do. What they were doing is what happens when a creationist stands up at a Richard Dawkins lecture and asks "Mr. Dawkins, why are you so determined to go to hell when you die?" This is what I can't stand about Sargon's Fuckboy brigade and their victim complex. You snowflakes think ranting and raving and displaying your membership in the "He Man Woman Haters Club" is free speech. It's not. It's using your persecution complex to justify screaming slurs and obscenity at strangers.
He didn't actually say anything, genius. It's more like a creationist going to a dawkins lecture even if he disagrees and sitting there politely listening.
"You snowflakes think ranting and raving and displaying your membership in the "He Man Woman Haters Club" is free speech." This is a straw man...but also still free speech.
Dude! Seriously... Dude! Best part of this video... not even in the video! All I gots ta say is, "put your foot in it! " Literally made my day, thank you Phil!
It sounds to me like they played the situation in a very slimy political way, choosing not to do much of anything and instead make ambiguous statements, so that they wouldn't get the ire of any one particular group turned on them. Can't say I blame them, considering how ridiculous groups of harassers can actually be on the internet, but it is a pretty weak lack of a stance. It seems to me like they're letting radicalism win and kowtowing to it to avoid getting their reputation dragged through the mud. Understandable, but cowardly, for people whose convention champions online creators. I'm beginning to wonder if Vidcon and TH-cam have gotten too big for them to handle.
I agree on the sentiment but disagree that they made "ambiguous statements." They spoke politically, yes, they used the great art of PR bullshit, but they made a pretty clear stance when someone directly violated their rules and got a lot of blowback and they defended their sacred cow rather than punishing them. They deserve to be called out for that.
Absolutely, as long as ppl apologize to her and let her do whatever she wants, she won't stop because...why should she, she gets everything AND can be a professional asshole. Nobody is saying you shouldn't speak with the otehr side, but speaking to Anita has no sense because she has shown time and time again, that she is resistent to proof and doesn't want things to change, most probably because she would need to do real work in that case.
Hahaha, nice one elenabob. "No, you are not educated. You must read the articles I do, and join my echo chamber, for we are the chosen few. Amen, praise Anita.'
Gamergate didn't do shit but expose corruption in the gaming press. Anita tried to hijack it with a fake threat and ironically later on her fans did similar fake bomb threats to several places including a Bar to the back of the Washington DC Police Department. There is plenty of information like the CON leaks www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/4zswdn/crash_override_network_leaks_megathread/ Where anita and her crew regularly dox and harass individuals they don't like. Like for instance sargon via creating fake "blackmail" photos.
Doc_Ock_Rokc Have you seen Colbert interview with her.she made him tip toe on his own show also. she knows how to use simps in the position to destroy careers.
I believe that is a weak move by the management team of Vidcon. They didn't bring justice to the rules that were broken when it occurred now so, therefore, there will always be this "You will ban me but not Anita?" argument. They should've at least done something to handle this situation and give her some sort of consequence so that it can be a precedent. If they had there would probably be fewer outbursts in the future, but now there is no telling to where it will go in the coming years.
VecToR Ashley Pleschourt There aren't simple solutions to those situations. Two people were in the wrong, and they just happened to mention one more than the other. Especially with the panel discussion, it's hard for the vlogbrothers to do anything without having entire communities outraged. They did their best to denounce both parties and discourage future incidents. You seem to forget that the girl also lost her chance of ever having a platform at VidCon as a consequence of her unacceptable behavior.
Hank's response only made me angry, I wish he didn't respond at all. I didn't care if Anita was banned, I would never expect that so it wasn't a big deal. But now they say that they apologized to HER, for, essentially, letting her see people she disagrees with, and in the future might ban people who make videos on her? All because SHE SAID she felt threatened? And what, people can't criticize individuals for their stupid ideas outside of Vidcon, but panelists can shit on attendees during Vidcon? That's wonderful.
Saytan Vogula I don't think that what she did was right at all, but I do understand VidCon's stance. Because there are going to be almost equally split sides on this story, from a business point of view they HAVE to appeal to both sides or they will be hated by many. Sure, they apologized to her. But they also didn't punish him...they stood somewhere in the middle because it's hard as huge public figures to pick a definite side without receiving tons of hate. You think it's ridiculous to defend Anita, but she has received actual threats from Sargon. Imagine you were a public speaker at an event and you saw someone who has threatened you multiple times sitting in the front rows filming you. Not only would my nerves be through the roof, with all the negativity and scary things in the world lately, I might be a little frightened. A TH-camr was literally shot and killed at a meet-and-greet not too long ago....you never know what could happen these days. I don't blame VidCon for apologizing to her although I don't think calling him a "shithead" did anything good either.
First of all at that point in said person's career she was a musician playing in a not very secured venue. Sadly it could have been prevented if there had been better security. Her situation is nothing like this one. Second I must address the fact that he was not the only person in the audience that opposed her. He has told his audience in a feeble attempt not to attack her but as reverse psychology goes they went ahead and did it anyway. If she agreed to be in a panel where conversation was encouraged then she should have braced for both sides of the topic that would inevitably have been brought up.
Brittany Morrow You know that's a comprehensive lie and this is why the public tide of opinion is turning against feminism so brutally. It's unbelievable that scam artists like Sarkeesian and moral cowards like Hank think that the average person will bite a shit sandwich like this and swallow.
Maybe a slightly narrow minded point: Why does Vidcon have to have so many panels on controversial and provoking topics? Why can it not be a more light hearted event, one where fans can meet creators and creators can partake in fun and entertaining activities. I understand this could be seen as too much of a large forum to not discuss things which need to be talked about, but it seems to get worse each year, more hateful and more of a 'war' on one side to the other: the feminism panel wasn't a discussion, the panellists wouldn't even answer half the questions or points raised from men at the event! A lot of people watch their favourite creators and go to events like Vidcon to get away from any personal stresses, does everything have to end up being so political?
Having controversial topics isn't necessarily bad - in my opinion it should be encouraged to increase the exchange of views and knowledge in open debate. But you are right that the problem lies with the panelists. They were hostile and wholly partisan.
I'm new to your channel and I've been on a recent binge watch. It's a wonderful coincidence that your name be Phil, and you're the best Philosopher I've seen on here. Great speculations and viewpoints, whilst staying fair and to the targeted subject.
As a feminist myself I honestly feel like Anita should have been given an actual punishment like being banned from vid con. It's people like her that make all feminist look bad. Instead of getting a point across she just yells and insults people. I'm sorry but attacking and bullying people isn't going to make someone change their minds. I'm a fan of what people would call friendly debates.
FaZe ChickenNugget Really? Well, as a 'authorian partismal' I thank you for your rationality and calm discorse...Though I am sadddend to mention that your belief is dying and being replaced with neo-Comunist weirdos who think that their is a damning patriarchy trying turn the world 'fachist'. I dont get them either...
Damn it must be dope to get an Anita Sarkeesian pass to vidcon. Not only do you get to go inside, but you get a pass to insult people at your will!! That's tight, I wish i had those passes.
It's called "the Woman Card" also known as "having a vagina" Good news though! New rules to acquiring this special can be waved if you simply "identify" as a woman.
So in short Vidcon says that online criticism and quietly sitting in front of someone are harassment/hostile; but Grabbing a microphone at a live event, about cyber-bullying, to call someone a shithead and then text the head of security to forcibly remove them is not harassment/hostile. Whelp there yah go everybody, June 21st should officially be marked, from now on, as Hypocrisy Day.
So if you made opinionated videos about things, and had someone take all videos and 'criticize' them as you say, while their audience fills your comments with hatred and no civil discussion : you'd be okay if that person went to a speech you were part of, that speech focused on creating videos? Oh, but you wouldn't fabricate stories for videos right? Thats exactly how she sees it as well.
Markus Leono All her videos have disabled comments tho. And what about feminazis who follow her that are openly hostile against us, that's different I guess
Markus Leono you obviously dont know much about her. She is a con artist. She had to learn about video games to even make her videos. She's even on camera saying she isn't a gamer. She's a liar and a fraud and calling her on her bullshit is what she considers harassment.
Yea sargon never encourages people to go do that, and he gets harassed by anitas fans so why so one sided? Is it because women absolutely never live a more privileged life than a man?, which is ridiculous BTW.
I accidentally clicked on this video (because it was still in my "watch later" and I saw it a while ago), and an advertisement for CNN came up. THAT was humorous.
The biggest thing about people like Anita is, as was touched upon by Boogie, that when they are around you have to do everything in your power not to offend them. They are so big and so powerful and so sensitive that whenever they are around there cannot be an open discussion.
So entering someones safe space at a debate/panel results in the one claiming victim-hood being a bully and using aggression. These people are not interested in facts or good arguments they just want to be right, no matter the cause or method. Shut down debate, arguments and continue the monolog.
Apparently harassment now includes the presence of people who have criticized your ideas/videos in the past (rightfully so), quietly sitting in the front row of of your panel listening to what you have to say. Hank and John Greene's response was a joke.
You think someone who spoke to the UNITED NATIONS about harassment is someone who makes up everything about harassment? You don't have to like her opinions but that doesnt mean she lies about everything outside of those opinions.
You think someone who got laughed out of the UN trying to censor people they harass isn't someone who would lie to get what they want? You don't have to be this blind, but you can always turn around and go back on the fence.
it is seriously disapointing that Anita will not be punished. I feel like if anyone else did that, they wouldn't have gotten an apology from Hank Green.
If you make your living in the public space, YOU must handle the consequences of that. You are not entitled to a 'safe space' where your biggest critics are not invited/barred from entry when you're trying to share your ideas to the PUBLIC. You must also face up to the consequences of your own actions when they are in public. That panel was not an 'Anita fan club panel'.
The Green brothers sure made it seem like that, and the toxic feminism begin spewed from there, a panel setup by two white, straight men, in a position of power, with money and fame...... oh the irony.
That's how I feel about the whole thing. I'm a fan of hers in the same way I'm a fan of Tom Cruise, I liked most of Tropes Vs. Women and his movies, but not so much the actual people outside of that sphere. Sure, she probably became more short tempered after Gamer Gate or maybe she was always like that, but with very few extreme examples, your past doesn't excuse your behavior now especially since the public isn't going to give you a free pass. There are plenty of other video game feminists that also aren't assholes in real life. Hopefully they get a chance to shine and can handle the stress that comes with it.
"Biggest critics"? I think you mean "stalkers who have repeatedly sent death and rape threats, swatted her, and has made it a personal mission to censor her with violence." Stop trying to make it as though these men are innocents who merely voiced a criticism rather than criminals.
Dissagreeing with someone is not violence, and not once has sargon EVER called for people to threaten or in any other way invite violence, if you actually watched videos of people you dissagree with rather than getting triggered at the possibility of a different opinion you would know that. Anita is a cry bully a con artist and many many other things that would make this post more that PG.
It's honestly sad that a guy sitting in front of his couch with a camera and a small editing crew (compared to big news stations) can give less biased information and being an all around more reliable guy, than these huge national companies worth millions, possibly billions of dollars, Phil, I salute you and everything you do. America needs more people like you!
Anita never had a reasonable discussion, she just blocks all comments and calls anyone who disagrees with her a shithead. A French Professor just wrote a very in depth report on Sargon's youtube videos, he has only made 6 factual mistakes in his youtube career.
Vidcon is wrong in this instance , while i will agree that harassment can be a problem there is no excuse for allowing one of it's panelists to attack someone siting in the crowd not asking questions , not making a scene or in anyway being a distraction . This clearly shows a bias towards a group and should be unacceptable , as for the whole intimidation aspect that seems to me to be a way to excuse the behavior , if you are going to speak about a subject in a public forum one has to expect that there will be people that disagree with you and have that same right to speak on the issue on their on platform .
Hell, if we push that logic to its full conclusion, are we saying people who disagree with us aren't allowed to view our speeches? The core to any logical discussion and philosophical debate is in finding conflicting ideas and understanding them, not in removing everyone who disagrees. Because with the logic Vidcon puts in practice here, it's somehow the audience's fault for disagreeing with the speaker, and not the speaker's fault for behaving in a manner befitting someone given that platform with which to speak. Simply put, if you can't speak in public where many people may or may not agree with you, which given the exceptional level of ethical problems both in Anita's information gathering, logical conclusions, and use of artwork/footage; then you have no right to use that platform to begin with. A philosopher who can't effectively defend their positions without resorting to personal attacks on the audience, both those asking questions and those merely observing, obviously has no intention of actually having a discussion, but purely evangelizing.
she shouldn't have risen to their provocations but just because she is in the wrong doesn't mean that these guys weren't also in the wrong. I find these guys actions to be intimidation, bullying, and harassment. The issue is that he is sitting front and center videotaping this panel surrounded by his supporters who are asking insulting questions waiting for a reaction, which he managed to get. If you poke people enough someone will hit you, I find this guy so disgusting because he was trying to provoke her, he was trying to get hit so he could discredit her, not for her opinions, but for lashing out at him. Her opinions are stupid but this guy clearly provoked her and was trying to provoke her and it only serves to make her an actual victim.
From everything I've seen, and the footage shown, Sargon nor anyone near him were directly involved in any attempt to provoke her. Many people were equally recording the panel, and they all were in their right to do so. It's a public panel, and there were no bans on recording. Ya' can't just say "no, you specifically can't record because I don't like you" now. At any rate as far as the footage shows, Anita struck at him, without any direct provocation on his part. Beyond any of that, as a debater, you really don't have the right to choose who hears your statements when you're given a platform to speak. If people who disagree with you arrive, it's your job to convince them of the merits to your argument. If you can't do that, I'd argue the problem isn't your audience, but your argument. Which, being entirely fair, after this long from her and the consistent way she treats people who are critical to her, I'd further argue the problem isn't the argument or the audience, but the person themselves. To put it bluntly, when everyone around her seems to act like they're walking on eggshells to avoid setting her off, I tend to think that there is some merit to the argument that she's aiming to stir controversy, not to have an actual discussion in good faith. Y'know, ironically the very thing she's accusing everyone who showed up but didn't agree with her of doing.
Oh my gods are you fucking kidding me? They apologized TO HER?! That is a joke, right? I thought we were on our way to a more free and equal society, but when they give bullies like Sarkeesian, not just another free pass, but a fucking apology after she does something like this, it proves that we are going in the opposite direction of equality. Being a woman doesn't cancel out being a hateful extremist. Boycotting vidcon forever. We need to make it clear that this is wrong.
Simon Hampus I agree with you 100%. She has to to be beld accountable for her vile actions and not be a victim anymore, she needs to apologize to Sargon and Boogie. Behaviour like hers shouldn't be tolerated in any shape form or variety by anybody.
Anita is a toxic person. She's a hypocrite and she deserves to be punished for the way she treated people while she was on the panel and after the panel i.e. Boogie. She is professionally offended, and people like her don't deserve the attention they get. So sick of seeing her, hearing about her, she isn't a feminist and she only brings toxicity to the community. Being on a cyberbully panel is laughable considering she is guilty of it herself.
It has been exposed... by people like Sargon. You know what they get? Threated to be kicked out of the next VIDCON and called a harasser. The green brothers know EXACTLY what they are doing. They are following the listen and believe mantra of the new religious cult: Feminism
I used to think you were another TH-cam Drama merchant, but the quality of news and the tailor-ship of your stories to your audience is fantastic, keep up the good work. You are a flag bearer for the true new media.
Whatever the context, she violated the rules, she should be kicked out, that's how it should be, if you break the rules and just get a free pass then what's the point of rules in the first place? It has nothing to do with who she is or how she acts, she broke the rules, end of story.
I go to school and do speeches in front of tons of my enemies, yet I don't feel "unsafe" and "harassed" by their presence. Sure I may be a little stressed if the become distracting, but I don't lash out and curse at them for no reason.
And I mean, look at Cenk Uygur, Franchesca Ramsey, and Kat Blaque. NONE of them flipped the fuck out when the "entourage" (as Anita called it) was sitting in the front row. In fact, those three people got mad respect for not being total dickheads. Anita is the ONLY ONE who freaked out or felt harassed or intimidated. Yet she still tried pulling other women into it, both of whom did not give a SHIT that Sargon and friends were there.
"she says its because she is a woman and is afraid" And literally *nobody* sees how sexist that is to paint women as so "weak" that the same shit we *all* have to deal with are worse for women.
None of the people critiquing Anita's videos have called for her doxxing or harassment. Anita is the queen of cultivating outrage. She disallows discussion on her videos, and chooses only to highlight comments from anonymous (probably 14 year old) idiots who make rape and death threats to make her seem more sympathetic. She has never addressed any of the criticisms raised in the dozens of reasonably polite response videos made to her video series. She blanket labels all forms of criticism as "Harassment" and wilfully conflates a critique video of her ideology with an abusive twitter comment making a personal attack. This has led to plenty of people on the other side of the argument being doxxed, swatted, and receiving death threats simply because they are the most visible critics of Anita and her videos. Talk to Mundane Matt about the negative attention he's received. He's been swatted AND he's had anonymous people on twitter tell him he should ABORT his unborn child. Anita may have a couple of good points to make about the media portrayal of females and harassment online, unfortunately these points are buried amongst her desire to portray herself as a damsel-in-distress, her poor research, and her over-simplified, cherry-picked bad points and that makes it difficult to take her seriously. If she had a few conversations with the people critiquing her instead of stuffing her fingers in her ears and focusing instead of the idiots threatening her over twitter, (none of whom's threats have been viewed as credible by the police) that would be better for everyone and would lead to far *less* negative videos being made about her.
Anita: "Women are strong! Women can do anything men can do! Women shouldn't be viewed as damsels in distress!" Also Anita: "You've been critical of me? OPPRESSION! You just sitting there is HARASSING ME." Anita is an embarrassment to actually strong women. Ironic that she's known for complaining about women being portrayed as weak in videogames, but shows how much she wishes to remain in her princess tower, away from the voices that criticise her rediculous arguments.
yeah weak move on hank greens part, what they did was given Anita preferential treatment and in a really fucked up way blamed the victim for getting harassed by Anita. I don't care who it was, it was an open panel to anyone who had tickets, what's the point of having a panel where you want only people that agree with you to interact with you. Really disappointing cos I know if Sargon had had a panel and harassed Anita in the audience then he would have been kicked out and never allowed back. Hank Green needs to look past his ideology and treat everyone as equals.
JACKx0FxSPADES Anita is a professional victim. The only way to deal with one is to reject their stance outright, or end up apologizing down the line. There is no middle ground with these people. Their beliefs need to be dismantled in public arenas. Of course they avoid these as a rule because they have no facts backing their arguments and would be exposed as simpletons with an agenda and/or victims complex. Giving a person like Anita a microphone while not allowing her to be challenged is how you get to this point. She'd have been a footnote in a ridiculous time in history had anyone been allowed to question her garbage long ago.
can you imagine being harassed and insulted and having your life and the lives of your loved ones threatened on a near-daily basis for YEARS and then going to an event where the perpetrators of your daily harassment are sitting pretty front-and-center in front of you? I'd probably be _just a little_ on edge too
So a panelist insults an audience member and swears at them...and all they did was sit there? Did Sargon attack her verbally or otherwise? If not, Anita just got away with public embarrassment and harassment. The VidCon runners let this go with the ever-so-often-used "He deserved it" clause. As others have stated, if this was reversed Sargon would've been removed, banned, and his channel flagged or removed. She's disgusting.
Boycott the Green brothers!!! Sargon hasn't said anything "hateful", about Anita... He's just torn apart all her pathetic arguments... Nothing wrong with criticism. Fuck Hank Green.
TrumpCat I don't even think he said that. From my understanding, everyone of that community that went all agreed to not say anything or snicker or anything like that. Granted, they also didn't clap for her, so it was a sort of silent protest, but even then one isn't entitled to being applauded.
You're a complete idiot if you think that sargon is innocent, just look at the harassment he has directed at her. You don't get to provoke someone like that then be surprised they act like that.
I just want to thank James for editing, he doesn't get any recognition for the editing that he does, but he is one of the forces that keeps the show going. Thanks James.
Now I'm sure that Markiplier would 100% say that, word for word, to PhillyD's face, because it's that hilarious. That being said, the rumor before any kind of statement was issued is that "the organizers will side with Anita because they're biased towards her". And I thought.... nah... they have to be coherent. And they also implied that those people sitting in the first three rows had "fake passes". That being said, and knowing Sargon is the most prominent name (and youtube channel) as the voice of "anti (third wave) feminism", exposing flaws in their arguments, having a full 4% of his videos dedicated to Anita (30 in total, spread by the course of several years)... yeah, I dont buy it. They flipped this on the victim. And now it's his fault. And that excuses her abuse, and disregarding most of the questions in the Q&A session. All they forgot to add was "maybe if he dressed appropriately this wouldnt have happened". Messed up.
Alais: Took me this long to answer you because I was listening to Boogies video regarding this issue. You can watch it here (v=3qEwRZ0PziA). Yes, she flipped at Boogie. But they talked it out. That part was not told. Even tho I do not like Anita, nor I respect her attitudes, or her business model, in all fairness sake, she at least sat down with Boogie and talked it out. But he explains in more detail, so do check out the video.
I think that overall, Americans just need to be more knowledgable about what's really going on in Politics. Personally, I think that whoever ascribes only to one party on everything are idiots. It's time for Americans to pull up the C-SPAN, read books from people with every bias out there, and then decide for themselves.
Fucking this! I've been saying this for a while now. If you affiliate with just one party entirely you are blinding yourself with their ideologies, and to me, that is the most foolish thing a person can do. Be open-minded, I'd advise against taking big media companies articles or news word for word if anything avoid them or at least take it with a grain of salt. It's better to find people on both sides who have their own take, avoid the extremists, and listen to what they have to say. Then decide for yourself on issues. Thats why i'm registared Independent for a reason.
What about the story of the man who was helping a lost 2 year old in Lakeland find her parents at a baseball game who got punched in the face by the dad, and then called a kidnapper all over social media? He has been publicly defamed for doing the right thing. The girl's parents clearly were not watching their child, and their kid could have actually got kidnapped or wandered off and been hit by a car or something. And everyone is going on about the guy being a predator and kidnapper.
Anna G www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/06/27/a-man-helped-a-lost-toddler-find-her-parents-police-say-he-was-smeared-online-as-a-predator-and-fled-town/?tid=sm_fb
Wow Anita can break policy and insult people and then go hide behind "Oh I'm opressed." Then the person who is supposed to be enforcing the rules against her apologises to her. Completely ridiculous.
Mr Green apologized to Anita!?! Talk about double standards. Disagreeing with a public figure isn't harassment. Punching down to a paid audience member is outrageous. She got preferential treatment because she's a female cry bully. She says she wants equality, but also for people not to say mean things. That's not equality. In the real world someone can disagree with you.
Yeah Green's response to this made them both look like pansy-asses. The fact that he apologizes to her really makes my blood boil. I wonder what that sounded like. "I'm sorry we allowed a paying customer to sit in the crowd of your panel about having a conversation, next time we will just throw his ass in our panel gulag." What a bullshit double standard
Jane W I disagree with your assessment. 1. Sargon clearly has an agenda, hence the recording of the panel and also taking up 3 rows with his entourage. 2. You're ignoring his history of attacking Anita 3. You're also missing the point of a conversation which allows people to listen and respond while being polite. 4. I don't think you actually know what Anita advocates 5. Her panel should have had more security, hence the apology she received
Anita Sarkeesian has been the victim of harassment, online abuse, and death threats for literal years. The man she called out has encouraged that kind of behavior towards her. That context is important when considering both her behavior towards him and VidCon's response to it. They explained to her that she violated their policy, but they also understand the context of her situation. Yes, rules and policies are important. However, context is equally important.
I interpreted the line about footage "focusing outrage on individuals" slightly differently. I didn't take it to mean that if someone is a jerk and you got footage you shouldn't use it. Other wise the video of the Instagram kid yelling at staff would be against policy. Instead I took it to mean if you film someone and then use that in a video where you incite hate being directed towards that person or defame them (in the legal sense), that's when it's an issue.
My thoughts exactly, Brynley. I can see how Phil could understand it that way after looking at it again though. It probably could have been clearer about that.
It's so disgustingly hard to trust cable news and has been for quite a while. It's not just CNN, it's basically all TV news. WHICH is why you need to get in on that market and shake shit up. You need to reach more than just those who watch YT regularly, it's necessary.
sergio garcia I dont trust them either. You got Alex Jones saying some of the most asinine shit like frogs are being turned gay just puts me off. I do agree on a few things he says but I take it with a pinch of salt.
jesus fucking christ. the trump defense. "you just misinterpreting his words blah blah media blah blah liberal". im guessing that demons also possess political candidates in hopes of trolling?
I knew the Greens weren't going to do anything about it. I feel bad for Boogie, the guy with the golden heart, had to go through anxiety for weeks being extra careful not to offend Anita which in the end found a way to get offended. Jeez Just wanna say to Anita, "Hey! that's not cool. who hurt you?" lol Seriously, Phil I wouldn't be surprised if Anita comes after you since you're spewing out common sense.
Shirt Pants I mean Greens probably know half of Sargon's friends are going to make like 20 videos over the next week about Anita now and that seems punishment enough. Especially if her biggest fan Thunderf00t does it. Christ the middle left and far right are both fucking awful
Lincoln Reichard At this point though, I wouldn't be surprised if Thundeef00t took a crack at Sargon instead. XD Honestly, too bad he wasn't in the crowd for that though. Now that *really* would have been a meltdown.
The liberal bias and effectively worship of women by the greens "the fault in your stars" makes them as blue pill as it gets. They view women like anita as children to be protected, they are the ultimate example why lefties make it dangerous to give women power, because they will refuse to hold them accountable, and the unaccountable are tyrants. To put it simply, these types cannot treat women as equals, they are the true sexists.
It's really sad how everyone seems to fall for Anita's bullshit. The problem here is that the guys at VidCon don't know the full story, they haven't done their research. They just listen to Anita and Anita says she's been "harassed" and "bullied" by Sargon so they believe her. But they don't know that what Anita refers to as being "harassment" is not harassment. It's simple criticism. If criticism is harassment then Phil and h3h3 harass people on a daily basis. Yes, if you lie and make false claims people will call you out on it and correct you. If you try to slander a group of people or an entire industry they might hate you. If you make ridiculous statements people will disagree and laugh at you. That's not harassment, that's not bullying, that's not sexism. It's what happens when you're a celebrity, have strong opinions and you speak your mind.
Vulcan Hades I'm tired of people putting her feeling first. She victimizes herself so she can make others bend backwards to make sure she's not offended. It needs to be stopped. It will hurt and demonize others who did nothing wrong, and if someone actually goes out to stalk her, no one will believe her. Her petty little show will only make more people insult her. If it is just someone disagreeing, she is incapable of being self-critical. She needs to grow up.
Vulcan Hades She has received harassment in the past though. She was doxxed and her address and phone number were released. She was mailed death threats. I'm not a fan of her stuff, it's generally badly researched and done purely for attention. (Plus the whole kickstarter scam) But to say that she's never been harassed isn't true.
Yes, those well-thought-out criticisms where he blames people like Sarkeesian for Elliot Rodger going on a mass shooting spree. Your second comment is more aptly applied to Sargon. He falsely claimed Sarkeesian pocketed the donations from Kickstarter (she didn't, you can go look at her tax returns). He perpetuated the "ethics in game journalism" narrative, despite screenshots and other evidence saying otherwise from the movement's ringleaders. Sargon will strawman and take Sarkeesian out of context so he can use it to drum up those subscriptions and followers. It's amazing Sarkeesian didn't jump off the stage and stab him after the things Sargon and his cronies have done.
theres a 2015 video from sargon called "whos harassing Anita" .. it spends half the video defending her from abusive tweets... and she calls him a "garbage human" .. I very much doubt she has seen a single video of his
i am no fan of Anita Sarkesian, so i recognize my bias in this statement. but, i can't help but feel like this sets a troubling precedent with no formal punishment handed down onto her. anita fans are just as toxic and have harrassed sargon of akkahd just as consistently and viciously as his have gone after her. so to say that because of this she should not be punished for attacking him, when i think we all know that if the tables are turned sargon would most likely not be given as lenient a punishment, is in my opinion just aweful.
that "lady" has a dick my friend. hair on the theet and a quite large stick up her behind. i would call that a dissabled doberman crossed with a really bad lawyer but by god no lady ^^
Seriously? Not even a slap on the wrist for Anita? Here is how you could solve this problem. 1. kick Anita out for the duration of vidcon for violating policy. 2. Hire more security so panelists don't feel "intimidated". There, both sides can now be happy! The fact that they want to ban people from bringing in video cameras is not ok.
pokemonfreak619 I'm so sorry, my foot should have been revolting against the patriarchy instead of being in your way! I'll have a talk to him about his sexist ideals when we get home.
When I was growing up, a lot of people still believed professional wrestling to be 100% real. Then one day they stopped calling themselves a "sport" and started calling themselves "sports entertainment". It was to avoid lawsuits. Does anyone else wonder if the same thing is going on with the switch from "news" to "media"?
God this statement is rich, calling having people who disagree with you just sitting there, in silence, politely listening to you a hostile environment, implying that if they had known some of the attendees where critical of Anita they wowld have taken measures to bar them from attending the panel, Implying that the members of this group who held passes were not entitled to them, as if their opinions somehow ment they arent real youtube creators, the whole intimidation angle, as if they were silently mouthing "I will rape you" or "I know where you live" while running their fingers across their throats, as if she was fearful they where going to storm the stage at any moment. Could we stop calling criticising someone who pursues a large public presence "targeting" or "harassment" you are not some housewife or an anonymous teenager being contacted by randos, you can't have your cake and eat it, you cant have the attention, the cloud, and the money etc. that comes with a large public presence, but refuse to deal with the scrutiny and negative attention.
She has literally received rape threats, death threats, and been doxxed, and you have one of the huge sources of this toxic group of trolls stacking the front rows of a panel and members of his audience trolling the Q&A? Yeah, it's a hostile environment, and just because he was silent and his audience was doing the trolling, they were in the front. If he wanted to just come and listen, he could have found a spot near the back to unobtrusively watch on his own, but he had a group of followers with him, and they engaged without taking it seriously or asking reasonable questions with any reasonable expectation of there being a genuine discussion on the topic. They came to troll. Sargon has a way bigger audience than her but he's making himself out to be the victim in spite of showing up with an entourage. if roles were reversed, they couldn't even be reversed because Anita's supporters haven't actually proven to be willing to track down and kill Sargon let alone make rape threats which are almost exclusively applied to women.
Wow! this is almost as rich as the Vidcon statement! Ok, first let's explain how insults work; When insulting someone you say things that will upset them, no one is going to track down and rape Anita just as that 12 year-old in the voice chat of your favorite videogame isn't fucking your mom. Second, lets not play to this weird routine of implying or straight up asserting that anyone insulting Ainta does it under direct command of any of the successful youtubers criticising her as part of some nebulous underground hate army. Proving she is a misinformed misinforming malicious fraudster does not make you responsible the fallout. Remember when Woodward and Bernstein inciting hatred, trolling and harassment against Nixon? the monsters! Third, is there any difficult question, or scrutiny that Anita won't labeled as malicious trolling? Forth, to which degree how accompanied the victim was affects how wrong it was for a featured panelist to unprovokedly single him out and berate him? Fifth, If the roles where reversed this wowld have hit all major news outlets, with anita giving quivering voices interviews to whoever asked and Sargon wowld have been blacklisted and expelled from the benue faster than you can say "double standards", and all his social media accounts suspended, while Anita wowld have milked it for a couple more years of neglecting her obligations to attend well paid speaking engagements. And Sixth, if you want to learn what Sarkeesian's supporters are willing to do, just ask Phil Mason
I cut about a minute of the show out today, but it was just a minute of me eating a carls jr. burger in a sexy manner...naked...
HAPPY TUESDAY!
Philip DeFranco I like bread. Do you?
Philip DeFranco HAHAHAHA
Wait why was this cut? DAMN YOU PHIL!!
Lame.
I looked at the comments, Ray D:.
This is why you're the most trusted guy on TH-cam, Phil. I don't need you to agree with me, I don't need you to be on my side, I just want to talk to people about these issues. If we all agreed it'd be the nightmare I'm trying to avoid, everyone thinking the same with anyone who has an errant thought punished...and who does that describe?
Sargon of Akkad This was bullshit.
Most... trusted guy on TH-cam? I must've missed that memo. Ringing endorsement though.
Sargon of Akkad but like she broke the rules.... but she is the one apologized to ???
The Valiant Atheist He did already, check the second Jontron stream. Boogie, Phil and Skywilliams all turn up.
Right now I am like "What did we expect Anita to do. Aren't there several videos of her flipping out on camera when ever someone questions her believes."
Personally, I am pissed about the way Vidcon issued a statement that not only apologizing to Anita but accused some of Sargon's group of getting in illegally. I have yet to hear a story about anyone from that group being kicked out for being there illegally, so how can the make such a claim? Then Anita was still allowed to participate in a harassment panel and afterwards attacked Boogie for basically saying that we need to bond together to stop online harassment.
It always amazes me how some people can be the bully, and still act as the victim
Doesn't work when your a "privileged" white male. It only works when your, Muslim, black, gay, female, transgender or any combination.
Yeah and someone like that has won something really big at the end of 2016.
After a while. you get used to the mental gymnastics. People like Anita have lost all touch with reality with their victim mentality. Or maybe she knows and doesn't care because it's her job to be a victim. Either way, the amount of ass kissing from Vidcon is just pathetic.
bc vagina
Braxx haha never been in a lasting committed relationship eh? ;)
Anita breaks Vidcons policy.
Vidcon apologizes to Anita.
Now that is seriously messed up, Vidcon should not be allowed to get away with this.
Get away with what? They're a bunch of pansies, but last time I checked that's not against the law...
Siddhartha02 That's feminism 🙃
Siddhant, he points out that the 1 in 5 thing is bullshit and statistically you're safer from sexual assault in colleges than you are everywhere else. You saying he "...rclaims that ape and sexual assault isn't really a problem..." is a total misrepresentation of his points, as the way you've said it doesn't point out that factually speaking the prevailing idea is utrue, and instead imply that rape is common in colleges and that his viewpoint is that it's not such a bad thing.
Anita has lied and lied and stolen and lied. She is, objectively speaking, in the wrong when he's in the right. The "Smear campaign" he led is pointing out that she's a scam artist. It's not a smear campaign to point out peoples immoral and potentially illegal actions, if anything it's activism.
shes the type of person that would only take them punishing her and turn it into ammo. the best way to defeat her is to literally ignore her.
Siddhant Pandey. Sargon replied to Anita starting a 'smear campaign' against every male human being, with gamers, in specific. Also HE told everyone not to engage with Anita and to not harrass her. SHE has been bullying everyone from the start, and now gets her ass covered by these totally ignorant organisers who even claim that they have no idea who they put in charge of an anti-bullying panel, namely a fucking A grade example of a bully.
If she didn't' take the time to point out a member of the audience that she has a quarrel with then most of us would not even know about this.. She gave him the power back and didn't even realize it.
the quarrel she have with him is that he have gone true her video's and point out the mistakes she made (he is a gamer and as a hobby have made a few games/demo's of games) that all he did, he watched her video's and corrected her mistakes.
She yelled at Boogie? Why? Who would do that?
This saddens me. Boogie strike me as the kind of guy who would be willing to talk out almost any disagreement, so when someone goes and yells at the guy, I can't help but think that they're in the wrong.
Paleo Lagus And Boogie is playing damage control because he doesn't want any trouble. Poor guy.
Paleo Lagus anyone who yells at boogie should get off the internet.
Paleo Lagus Boogie is such a nice, good person. I don't know fuck all about the woman, but I sure as hell don't like her now
he should lose weight.. even if its his character. Even more so. Damn i cant stand fat people they have exactly 0% excuse. Illness? no excuse. Getting fat then getting ill because of being fat and not being able to lose fat in a normal amount of time then not even trying is not an excuse.
Star-Lord he is currently dieting if I remember right.
Honestly, Anita should not be invited back, or at the very least, not be a panelist again. She blatantly violated their policies and verbally attacked Boogie. If she isn't the center of attention, she can't get her twisted viewpoint out. This is the problems of victimhood mentality. She identifies as a feminist, and this is the reason so many people don't agree with feminism. The movement has been bastardized and turned into something harmful.
Sexism goes both ways. If it were to be a dude up there saying to a woman "you are a bitch, you're a garbage human" all of the internet would destroy him, but since its anita its all good. I watch the Joe Rogan Podcast that had sargon on it, and the dude kinda made sense. He did nothing to get her attention, he was just sitting there and gets attacked by anita. And then this green guys apologize TO HER. What a load of bullshit. Anita lives off of playing the victim card while also being a sort of bully.
Note what they never said they did? *They never spoke to Sargon. They never spoke to any of the people who were claimed to be intimidating harassers.* They 100% took her word as gospel and refused to even entertain that she behaved inappropriately. "Yeah, she broke the rules, but she had a good reason to do so. So we're gonna let it slide." It's bullshit.
Jirekianu I was watching a video by one of the "harassers" and apparently the reason why they were at their panel is because they wanted to have a conversation with all the feminists and pretty much listen to what they have to say whether they agree or disagree. They weren't at just Anita's panel but a majority of panels that had people like her. For the most part, they did have civil conversations with these people but in Anita's case, she just shuts them down assuming they're out there to harm because they are "garbage human beings". It pretty much sucks when someone from the opposing view wants to listen and talk it then gets completely flamed just because of the person they are
From what I know of Sargon, his 'harassment' of Anita is just criticizing her bullshit. I really also don't understand how she feels threatened when she has all the power in that circumstance - it's her panel, more people are there to support her, not the other way around.
Fish Fish That's because she didn't feel threatened at all. All this was was an excuse to bash her critics and play the Victim.
This is the second comment I've seen which consists of a dating profile ad in a non-English language followed by a link to the video that it is commenting on and a bunch of weird video titles involving Spiderman and a character from Frozen.
Hilarious cause I actually understand swedish but I too have no clue why the ad is in swedish.
Absolutely ludicrous. If the roles were reversed a harsher punishment would have been dealt out. Holding beliefs aligning with the creator's of the conference clearly gives her cart blanche to do and say as she pleases because she is part of the "progressive crusade to better the world". What happened to progressivism being a tolerance based movement? It feels as of late to have turned into the defiling and hatred of anyone who doesn't align with their beliefs while simultaneously whining about problems created in the vacuum of social justice. This identitarian nonsense only further exacerbates the issues by creating a divide that can never be mended rather than working towards a common goal of love and acceptance to all regardless of skin color, sexual orientation, or worldview.
I guess being objective is the new victim card.
The trolls that have hounded Sarkeesian have been all about defiling and hatred. That's not an excuse for her shooting back with venom, but it's not as if she has the lone role in exacerbating things.
I agree with you, there are trolls everywhere you go. It's the example you set for your fans that leads to a greater evolution of conversation. Which neither side has done... It isn't a comment on her overall disposition necessarily, but the environment in which we find ourselves in where conversation and debate falls second to meaningless name calling and hate spewing. It isn't whether she is right or wrong, it's how the problem is being dealt with.
Anita Sarkeesian has constantly and consistently played the victim whenever people have questioned her opinions. She claims "harassment" and "stalking" because the skeptic community has consistently critiqued her claims, not because people are bullying or harassing her as a person and there is a very big difference between a critique and blatant and consistent trash talk. Her and people like her have essentially shifted the overton window to include what she calls "the daily grind" of questions and critiques into her own definition of harassment which does nothing but shut down and stifle conversation. It's a thinly veiled smoke screen for the weak theories and opinions she holds creating a bubble of ignorance. Sorry Phily D., but I feel like you should have been more critical of Anita. She was not bullied even in the slightest, she just felt intimidated by people with differing opinions and then cried for security like a sheltered baby. And people like Hank and John Green only defended her because of political bias. Vidcons enforcement of rules have proven to be one sided in this, they're all a bunch of hypocrites. Especially when they defend someone using a position of power to verbally abuse someone in the audience, rather than ignore them or debate their ideas.
The only reason she's famous at all were because idiots gave her death threats, and she had the sense to record them all. Idiots are still giving her death threats and rape threats (IE: Ammunition for her victim game) and then she lumps in accurate, meaningful critisism with the violent trolls. We allowed troll culture to grow, and this is the result.
Ashley Pleschourt There isn't a simple solution to those situations. Two people were in the wrong in that situation and one more than the other. Especially with the panel discussion, it's hard for the vlogbrothers to do anything without having an entire community outraged. They did their best to denounce both parties and discourage future incidents. You seem to forget that the girl also lost her chance of ever having a platform at VidCon as a consequence of her unacceptable behavior.
lots of people get the exact same kind of threats. Only anita got famous for them.
Randal Jeffrey remember that time she tweeted screencaps of death threats on twitter only seconds after they were posted (and for some reason she was logged out?)
Two people were in the wrong? What pray tell did Sargon DO at Vidcon or at the panel? Sitting in a seat quietly listening now puts some of the blame on him? Ridiculous.
I am very rarely outright upset by news, but the Greens' response is detestable. It's one thing if Sargon is there being disruptive or walking in with a menacing security detail, but you tubers going to each others panels at a video convention cannot in any sense of the word be inappropriate or threatening.
Sanudasa And they were just sitting. Yes, they were trolling by being there. But they were silent, respectful, and paid for those seats. Anita was the aggressor. Honestly she always is.
She yelled at Boogie? Who the hell can ever be mad at Boogie?
Boom Knight starving children in Africa
Boom Knight oh if you watched the Q n A, she pretty much shut down any question she didnt want to bother with.
Right. That's like kicking a fucking puppy for fucks sake.
It's easy to be mad a boogie if you're a garbage human
A shit-head garbage person
If someone is just sitting there not causing an issue and you call him out because you feel threatened? You need to remember a public forum is not your "safe space" and if you're shocked to see people who disagree with you in real life when people disagree with you online. You need a reality check. You subject yourself to the public you will get a taste of all the public not just fans. Grow a thicker skin
Hey It's Sarah! I love how she acts like they're threatening her, but she's not when she targets insults at one of them, who didn't even say anything.
Full disclosure: I like Sargon of Akkad and his content and I'm not a big fan of Anita. As far as Anita's response to Sargon, I can understand where it came from, however when mommy and daddy fight you don't do it in front of the kids. Her response was unprofessional at the least and harassment at its worst. I understand that Sargon's fan base can be confrontational, harassing, etc. but two wrongs STILL don't make a right.
However, Anita's treatment of Boogie makes my blood boil! Boogie, a long time TH-camr, all around stand up human being, and someone who has spoken out against harassment and bullying on this platform for years. He knew ahead of time that he and Anita would be on the same panel and with that knowledge tailored his points of discussion so they would not be seen as confrontational towards anyone. He gave Anita the respect she thought she deserved as a person yet she refused to give that respect in return. When the panel was over and everyone was leaving the stage Anita, who's job is to be professionally offended, confronted Boogie in a hyper aggressive manner because of his closing statements.
Typing anymore is just going to make me mad, just wanted to get some of it out. TL;DR Anita is a despicable human being who doesn't care about anyone's opinion but her own. Love ya Phil, keep being awesome.
Attacking Boogie of all people is simply an inconceivable line to cross. Boogie is one of the nicest people I have ever seen, and attacking him of all people, when he actually took the time to tip toe around her hypersensitive victim complex crazy ass, has actually made me hate her more than I thought possible. I really didn't think she could get more disgusting, but she has.
BloodShogun Attacking Boogie is basically like kicking the puppy, it's a low blow and he did nothing to her just be himself.
Anita is one of the most privileged human beings on the planet.
Anita was lauded by the mainstream and gaming media in order to promote their agenda.
Tolst Gillson dude, she's fucking traumatized.
Seeing a male (that doesnt't treat her like a god) traumatizes her. Whats your point?
Nath Munsya traumatized by what? Being called.out on her bull shit? Lying to people? Swindling her fans?
Anita spent years trolling the ENTIRE GAMING COMMUNITY with outrageous insults. So if she's uncomfortable when a few of them sit quietly in her audience.. maybe it's the sign of a guilty conscience.
And Hank Green should be ashamed of himself for taking her side before investigating.
Okay Philip is pretty unbias now, but in 2024 when he's running for president, you just know the Philip DeFranco Show isn't going to represent Kanye West fairly
Cillian Brouder THIS is the best comment
Alana Williams thanks for the positivity 👍
Cillian Brouder with the first story he was biased
Supreme I cannot imagine it being far different from Trump's presidency in terms of inexperience, maybe more superficial scandals like Kanye refusing to wear a suit and tie everyday...I could see him being for the people,
Supreme the US would get gooder education
Love how 95% of the comments are about Anita and not CNN...
Braden Taylor it's not a big deal
Whatever ya say!
The dumb internet drama at a dumb internet video convention is easier for dumb people to process compared to accepting the reality that CNN has been lying to them and that big bad trump isnt really connected to the bad guy ruskies.
It's because most people know already that news in the US aren't neutral since a long time from every sides, so there is nothing to discuss here since it's like discussing the fact that water is wet.
Axel xXx Philip is a liberatian right you dumbass
I honestly wish Phil would look further into Anita. I saw a lot about her taking money from fans to produce videos that were never made and other sketchy shit from channels like TheAmazingAtheist. Seems like every other story I've seen surrounding her points to her and other radical feminists shouting bullshit. The VidCon decision seems weak to me too, seems like its a move to avoid the bad press that would come from said radical feminists being louder than everyone else. No one should get death threats but Anita has been using the same harassment and victim narrative for years. I think she should be allowed to put her ideas out there, but I also think everyone else has the right to point out why it may be bullshit, and I wish someone like Phil with a large audience and the respect of the TH-cam community for giving everyone a fair trial would look into her past and give us his findings.
She did eventually finish them about 4 years late.
Oh gotcha, I haven't paid any attention to her in quite some time. Last I heard was that she "finished" them but she didn't make a significant portion of the ones she promised to. Could definitely be wrong though
I feel like at this time just about everyone has taken shots so much it's sorta cyber bullying at this point.
Not that I support her at all. I'm just starting to feel bad for her at this point.
Did she finish all of them? I thought she still dropped a few.
She also was saying that TheAmazingAtheiest was a dick just because he made a charity for women in the Middle East who actually need feminism!
Anita is the only one that needs to apologize.
VidCon sided with Anita as much as they possibly could. The Boogie story was shocking. SHE is the real HUMAN GARBAGE in all of this.
How much of a messed up individual do you have to be bully Boogie? honestly it's like drop kicking a kitten. She is one messed up human being, and Hank and his brother are her enablers.
What boogie story?
I have my degree in broadcast journalism. I was a freelance reporter during the protests in 2014 after the shooting of Mike Brown. After that, I could not do news anymore after what I saw from big news sites. The CNN video leak just confirms it all. When he said it's all, "cutest little ethics" talk in Journalism, I could see that was just what I learned in college and was not prominent in the actual work field. I even saw my local news faking stuff. I prefer independent reporters, but there are still good ones out there too. Just remember though, there's always a motive to sell. When it's an independent person, they aren't as controlled by a head person to write what narrative they're trying to push. Reporters in all news stations get shut down all the time for stories that don't seem like they're going to, "sell." Now I'm glad I have actually video proof of what I have been telling people for years about the news.
EU not telling Google how to be compliant is like TH-cam not being clear with creators on how to not get your Adsense pulled. Irony, love it!
EU just wants money because they are in heavy debt.
Kirk Meyers but I thought they were wealthy or is that just the MEP
Chadisms i think it is too harsh for google. They have all rights to show whatever they want in their search result. If people dont like it they can go use bing or yahoo.
Can't they just Google what the EU wants them to do? :D
Kirk Meyer you know that the money the collect from the fine will be divided amongst the member states
I've been on YT for years and am surprised I haven't found this channel until now. I love it. I love your content and I love the discussions and questions you bring up. Glad I can be a part of it now!
The way Sarkeesian handles stuff is that everyone that is a critic of hers is guilty of harassment.
People pointing out she lied in a video? Harassment. People pointing out her argument is baseless? Harassment. People pointing out that criticism isn't harassment? Harassment. Some of what she gets is real, but most of it isn't. It's so bad she's had to go as far as to fake death threats and the like because nobody was actually doing these things to her and she needed to fuel her victim complex. Sargon and the entire crew have gone on record time and time and time again asking people, not just to not harass her, but to leave her alone because she's such a sensitive person and her fans will go after you IRL.
She is a shameless con artist, hypocrite and professional victim playing off people's emotions in order to trick them out of money and push her politics. The lowest of the low as far as ways to make a living. Pointing that out though? That's just harassment.
God damn well said... you alt right troll :P
This exactly. Unfortunately feminism is a cult mentality and anyone who pretends to be a feminist must back the other up no matter what. That's why Hank backed her up.
Uzziya there are progressives and then there are social justice warriors who fight for inadequate causes that have *nothing* to do with the oppression of women. I agree with you wholeheartedly. Anita hurts real feminism.
THIS!
www.change.org/p/hank-green-ban-anita-sarkeesian-from-vidcon
I think some of the most concerning aspects of the secret interview are the "ethics in the media" comments. One of the most important ideals of a free and functional democracy is a free and fair press that works for the people in exposing the truth in an honest way, and if major news organizations set the precedent of ignoring journalistic ethics it is very troublesome for the future of both media and democracy in general.
because it was never about targeted harassment... right? _right???_
The Anita story is insane. Sargon sitting there is the equivalent of an opposing fan going to watch a game at the other teams home arena. They have every right to be there just like Sargon has every right to be in Anita's "home audience/arena."
Mr.Talent yeah it's like a Giants fan going to a Dodgers v Giants game in LA or vice versa The Giants fan is probably going get heckled just because he went to that particular game.
They were not doing what visiting team fans at any sporting event do. What they were doing is what happens when a creationist stands up at a Richard Dawkins lecture and asks "Mr. Dawkins, why are you so determined to go to hell when you die?"
This is what I can't stand about Sargon's Fuckboy brigade and their victim complex. You snowflakes think ranting and raving and displaying your membership in the "He Man Woman Haters Club" is free speech. It's not. It's using your persecution complex to justify screaming slurs and obscenity at strangers.
He didn't actually say anything, genius. It's more like a creationist going to a dawkins lecture even if he disagrees and sitting there politely listening.
"You snowflakes think ranting and raving and displaying your membership in the "He Man Woman Haters Club" is free speech."
This is a straw man...but also still free speech.
Don't worry, we're working on these pesky rights - they'll be gone soon enough.
Dude! Seriously... Dude! Best part of this video... not even in the video! All I gots ta say is, "put your foot in it! " Literally made my day, thank you Phil!
If the founders don't respect their rules, why should anyone else?
Crazy Player #garbagegate
Crazy Player hank green is a progressive so rules don't apply to him....
The Green brothers are trash.
It sounds to me like they played the situation in a very slimy political way, choosing not to do much of anything and instead make ambiguous statements, so that they wouldn't get the ire of any one particular group turned on them. Can't say I blame them, considering how ridiculous groups of harassers can actually be on the internet, but it is a pretty weak lack of a stance. It seems to me like they're letting radicalism win and kowtowing to it to avoid getting their reputation dragged through the mud. Understandable, but cowardly, for people whose convention champions online creators.
I'm beginning to wonder if Vidcon and TH-cam have gotten too big for them to handle.
I agree on the sentiment but disagree that they made "ambiguous statements." They spoke politically, yes, they used the great art of PR bullshit, but they made a pretty clear stance when someone directly violated their rules and got a lot of blowback and they defended their sacred cow rather than punishing them. They deserve to be called out for that.
Sitting quietly in an audience is the most blatant form of harassment.
She violated the rules, she should be banned, permanently. End of discussion.
survivorofthefire This.
survivorofthefire Idk if it should be permanent, but I agree she should be banned for awhile.
survivorofthefire +
survivorofthefire Relax there cowboy, Don't think it should be permanent but she should be suspended.
Logan Smith it should be a 999999999999999999999999999999999999 year ban
Philip you do so much good being a reasonable voice with regards to these topics. Great job bringing back journalism!
The "broader context" is that Anita *literally* is a professional victim. She pretends to be a victim, and gets paid for it.
Absolutely, as long as ppl apologize to her and let her do whatever she wants, she won't stop because...why should she, she gets everything AND can be a professional asshole. Nobody is saying you shouldn't speak with the otehr side, but speaking to Anita has no sense because she has shown time and time again, that she is resistent to proof and doesn't want things to change, most probably because she would need to do real work in that case.
Knowbody Uff, you are very "not educated" You need to read the articles on how Anita is a scholar and she's doing documentaries.
Hahaha, nice one elenabob.
"No, you are not educated. You must read the articles I do, and join my echo chamber, for we are the chosen few. Amen, praise Anita.'
"Not educated"? That's a funny way of spelling "not indoctrinated".
Even worse - she doesn't even have the decency to actually make the damn videos that her followers paid her to make. Talk about con artist...
Hank Green apologized to a panelist who verbally harassed a guy who was saying nothing at that moment? No hank. No.
He made one of biggest mistakes one could make as a organization: Kowtow to an SJW.
omegachavez AMEN
wtf? What did Sargon ever say about Anita that was hateful? hank green is literally banning criticizing this scam artist
Psycnosis Google "#GamerGate"
lunacouer on TH-cam
He's a liberal. That's what they do.
Liberal -> Leftist -> Socialist -> Communist
Gamergate didn't do shit but expose corruption in the gaming press. Anita tried to hijack it with a fake threat and ironically later on her fans did similar fake bomb threats to several places including a Bar to the back of the Washington DC Police Department.
There is plenty of information like the CON leaks www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/4zswdn/crash_override_network_leaks_megathread/ Where anita and her crew regularly dox and harass individuals they don't like. Like for instance sargon via creating fake "blackmail" photos.
Doc_Ock_Rokc Have you seen Colbert interview with her.she made him tip toe on his own show also. she knows how to use simps in the position to destroy careers.
Hank Green should be apologizing to Carl and throwing Anita out of Vidcon!
I believe that is a weak move by the management team of Vidcon. They didn't bring justice to the rules that were broken when it occurred now so, therefore, there will always be this "You will ban me but not Anita?" argument. They should've at least done something to handle this situation and give her some sort of consequence so that it can be a precedent. If they had there would probably be fewer outbursts in the future, but now there is no telling to where it will go in the coming years.
It's done move on..
VecToR Ashley Pleschourt There aren't simple solutions to those situations. Two people were in the wrong, and they just happened to mention one more than the other. Especially with the panel discussion, it's hard for the vlogbrothers to do anything without having entire communities outraged. They did their best to denounce both parties and discourage future incidents. You seem to forget that the girl also lost her chance of ever having a platform at VidCon as a consequence of her unacceptable behavior.
Yeah that is true, I just think that they should at least have some consequence in order to discourage this behavior in the future
VecToR I hate that they apologized to her too.
If that's true, that seems fair to me. Not an out-right ban but certainly lose the privilege to of being a panelist at VidCon in the future.
Hank's response only made me angry, I wish he didn't respond at all. I didn't care if Anita was banned, I would never expect that so it wasn't a big deal. But now they say that they apologized to HER, for, essentially, letting her see people she disagrees with, and in the future might ban people who make videos on her? All because SHE SAID she felt threatened?
And what, people can't criticize individuals for their stupid ideas outside of Vidcon, but panelists can shit on attendees during Vidcon? That's wonderful.
Saytan Vogula I don't think that what she did was right at all, but I do understand VidCon's stance. Because there are going to be almost equally split sides on this story, from a business point of view they HAVE to appeal to both sides or they will be hated by many. Sure, they apologized to her. But they also didn't punish him...they stood somewhere in the middle because it's hard as huge public figures to pick a definite side without receiving tons of hate.
You think it's ridiculous to defend Anita, but she has received actual threats from Sargon. Imagine you were a public speaker at an event and you saw someone who has threatened you multiple times sitting in the front rows filming you. Not only would my nerves be through the roof, with all the negativity and scary things in the world lately, I might be a little frightened. A TH-camr was literally shot and killed at a meet-and-greet not too long ago....you never know what could happen these days. I don't blame VidCon for apologizing to her although I don't think calling him a "shithead" did anything good either.
Brittany Morrow He has never threatened her and has repeatedly said in his videos to not engage her at all.
First of all at that point in said person's career she was a musician playing in a not very secured venue. Sadly it could have been prevented if there had been better security. Her situation is nothing like this one. Second I must address the fact that he was not the only person in the audience that opposed her. He has told his audience in a feeble attempt not to attack her but as reverse psychology goes they went ahead and did it anyway. If she agreed to be in a panel where conversation was encouraged then she should have braced for both sides of the topic that would inevitably have been brought up.
So how did Sargon threaten her? Could you provide a link?
Brittany Morrow You know that's a comprehensive lie and this is why the public tide of opinion is turning against feminism so brutally. It's unbelievable that scam artists like Sarkeesian and moral cowards like Hank think that the average person will bite a shit sandwich like this and swallow.
Maybe a slightly narrow minded point: Why does Vidcon have to have so many panels on controversial and provoking topics? Why can it not be a more light hearted event, one where fans can meet creators and creators can partake in fun and entertaining activities. I understand this could be seen as too much of a large forum to not discuss things which need to be talked about, but it seems to get worse each year, more hateful and more of a 'war' on one side to the other: the feminism panel wasn't a discussion, the panellists wouldn't even answer half the questions or points raised from men at the event! A lot of people watch their favourite creators and go to events like Vidcon to get away from any personal stresses, does everything have to end up being so political?
Having controversial topics isn't necessarily bad - in my opinion it should be encouraged to increase the exchange of views and knowledge in open debate. But you are right that the problem lies with the panelists. They were hostile and wholly partisan.
I'm new to your channel and I've been on a recent binge watch. It's a wonderful coincidence that your name be Phil, and you're the best Philosopher I've seen on here. Great speculations and viewpoints, whilst staying fair and to the targeted subject.
As a feminist myself I honestly feel like Anita should have been given an actual punishment like being banned from vid con. It's people like her that make all feminist look bad. Instead of getting a point across she just yells and insults people. I'm sorry but attacking and bullying people isn't going to make someone change their minds. I'm a fan of what people would call friendly debates.
FaZe ChickenNugget equalism = first wave feminism
third wave feminism = sexism
SirThePickle and second wave.
I don't think she should be banned from VidCon, but barred from being on panels. I think it's a happy medium
FaZe ChickenNugget
Really? Well, as a 'authorian partismal' I thank you for your rationality and calm discorse...Though I am sadddend to mention that your belief is dying and being replaced with neo-Comunist weirdos who think that their is a damning patriarchy trying turn the world 'fachist'.
I dont get them either...
Yep, you are right.
Damn it must be dope to get an Anita Sarkeesian pass to vidcon. Not only do you get to go inside, but you get a pass to insult people at your will!! That's tight, I wish i had those passes.
It's called "the Woman Card" also known as "having a vagina" Good news though! New rules to acquiring this special can be waved if you simply "identify" as a woman.
lmao @weaverbeats you act like she killed someone. She was just mad. We all do irrational shit. And Thromnabular idk what to say to you
@stephen powers she killed my man boogie! :(
Stephen Powers people where kicked for being to famous why not kick her for insulting a client who wasn't doing anything
Weaverbeats Sadly, Tom and Hank are SJW poster boys. I used to be a huge DFTBA fan back in the day.
So in short Vidcon says that online criticism and quietly sitting in front of someone are harassment/hostile; but Grabbing a microphone at a live event, about cyber-bullying, to call someone a shithead and then text the head of security to forcibly remove them is not harassment/hostile.
Whelp there yah go everybody, June 21st should officially be marked, from now on, as Hypocrisy Day.
So if you made opinionated videos about things, and had someone take all videos and 'criticize' them as you say, while their audience fills your comments with hatred and no civil discussion : you'd be okay if that person went to a speech you were part of, that speech focused on creating videos? Oh, but you wouldn't fabricate stories for videos right? Thats exactly how she sees it as well.
Markus Leono All her videos have disabled comments tho. And what about feminazis who follow her that are openly hostile against us, that's different I guess
Markus Leono
are you actually defending anita? lol
Markus Leono you obviously dont know much about her. She is a con artist. She had to learn about video games to even make her videos. She's even on camera saying she isn't a gamer. She's a liar and a fraud and calling her on her bullshit is what she considers harassment.
Yea sargon never encourages people to go do that, and he gets harassed by anitas fans so why so one sided? Is it because women absolutely never live a more privileged life than a man?, which is ridiculous BTW.
I accidentally clicked on this video (because it was still in my "watch later" and I saw it a while ago), and an advertisement for CNN came up. THAT was humorous.
Harassment?
Criticism is harassment?
Sitting in the audience is harassment?
Calling someone a garbage human shithead is harassment.
Hypocrite.
The biggest thing about people like Anita is, as was touched upon by Boogie, that when they are around you have to do everything in your power not to offend them. They are so big and so powerful and so sensitive that whenever they are around there cannot be an open discussion.
So entering someones safe space at a debate/panel results in the one claiming victim-hood being a bully and using aggression. These people are not interested in facts or good arguments they just want to be right, no matter the cause or method. Shut down debate, arguments and continue the monolog.
Philly D does it again with class ! Great Job !
Anita harasses a paying member of the audience and she is apologized to? Ok..
Apparently harassment now includes the presence of people who have criticized your ideas/videos in the past (rightfully so), quietly sitting in the front row of of your panel listening to what you have to say.
Hank and John Greene's response was a joke.
All this time she has claimed to be harassed. We now see how low her bar for harassment is.
You think someone who spoke to the UNITED NATIONS about harassment is someone who makes up everything about harassment? You don't have to like her opinions but that doesnt mean she lies about everything outside of those opinions.
Markus Leono If she's so misleading about something as serious as harassment. It makes it hard to trust any of her other opinions.
You think someone who got laughed out of the UN trying to censor people they harass isn't someone who would lie to get what they want? You don't have to be this blind, but you can always turn around and go back on the fence.
it is seriously disapointing that Anita will not be punished. I feel like if anyone else did that, they wouldn't have gotten an apology from Hank Green.
If you make your living in the public space, YOU must handle the consequences of that. You are not entitled to a 'safe space' where your biggest critics are not invited/barred from entry when you're trying to share your ideas to the PUBLIC. You must also face up to the consequences of your own actions when they are in public. That panel was not an 'Anita fan club panel'.
The Green brothers sure made it seem like that, and the toxic feminism begin spewed from there, a panel setup by two white, straight men, in a position of power, with money and fame...... oh the irony.
That's how I feel about the whole thing. I'm a fan of hers in the same way I'm a fan of Tom Cruise, I liked most of Tropes Vs. Women and his movies, but not so much the actual people outside of that sphere. Sure, she probably became more short tempered after Gamer Gate or maybe she was always like that, but with very few extreme examples, your past doesn't excuse your behavior now especially since the public isn't going to give you a free pass. There are plenty of other video game feminists that also aren't assholes in real life. Hopefully they get a chance to shine and can handle the stress that comes with it.
Steevo69 The Green Brothers sure came off like spineless cucks so they wouldn't offend Anita
"Biggest critics"? I think you mean "stalkers who have repeatedly sent death and rape threats, swatted her, and has made it a personal mission to censor her with violence." Stop trying to make it as though these men are innocents who merely voiced a criticism rather than criminals.
Dissagreeing with someone is not violence, and not once has sargon EVER called for people to threaten or in any other way invite violence, if you actually watched videos of people you dissagree with rather than getting triggered at the possibility of a different opinion you would know that. Anita is a cry bully a con artist and many many other things that would make this post more that PG.
It's honestly sad that a guy sitting in front of his couch with a camera and a small editing crew (compared to big news stations) can give less biased information and being an all around more reliable guy, than these huge national companies worth millions, possibly billions of dollars, Phil, I salute you and everything you do. America needs more people like you!
Anita never had a reasonable discussion, she just blocks all comments and calls anyone who disagrees with her a shithead. A French Professor just wrote a very in depth report on Sargon's youtube videos, he has only made 6 factual mistakes in his youtube career.
Link to professor's report please.
That source would be awesome
LordoftheJamesClan I'd like a link also.
Alexis Hollingsworth Google is hard smdh
Source.
Vidcon is wrong in this instance , while i will agree that harassment can be a problem there is no excuse for allowing one of it's panelists to attack someone siting in the crowd not asking questions , not making a scene or in anyway being a distraction .
This clearly shows a bias towards a group and should be unacceptable , as for the whole intimidation aspect that seems to me to be a way to excuse the behavior , if you are going to speak about a subject in a public forum one has to expect that there will be people that disagree with you and have that same right to speak on the issue on their on platform .
Hell, if we push that logic to its full conclusion, are we saying people who disagree with us aren't allowed to view our speeches? The core to any logical discussion and philosophical debate is in finding conflicting ideas and understanding them, not in removing everyone who disagrees.
Because with the logic Vidcon puts in practice here, it's somehow the audience's fault for disagreeing with the speaker, and not the speaker's fault for behaving in a manner befitting someone given that platform with which to speak.
Simply put, if you can't speak in public where many people may or may not agree with you, which given the exceptional level of ethical problems both in Anita's information gathering, logical conclusions, and use of artwork/footage; then you have no right to use that platform to begin with. A philosopher who can't effectively defend their positions without resorting to personal attacks on the audience, both those asking questions and those merely observing, obviously has no intention of actually having a discussion, but purely evangelizing.
Well here's a so far smart explanation chain
she shouldn't have risen to their provocations but just because she is in the wrong doesn't mean that these guys weren't also in the wrong. I find these guys actions to be intimidation, bullying, and harassment. The issue is that he is sitting front and center videotaping this panel surrounded by his supporters who are asking insulting questions waiting for a reaction, which he managed to get. If you poke people enough someone will hit you, I find this guy so disgusting because he was trying to provoke her, he was trying to get hit so he could discredit her, not for her opinions, but for lashing out at him. Her opinions are stupid but this guy clearly provoked her and was trying to provoke her and it only serves to make her an actual victim.
From everything I've seen, and the footage shown, Sargon nor anyone near him were directly involved in any attempt to provoke her. Many people were equally recording the panel, and they all were in their right to do so. It's a public panel, and there were no bans on recording. Ya' can't just say "no, you specifically can't record because I don't like you" now. At any rate as far as the footage shows, Anita struck at him, without any direct provocation on his part.
Beyond any of that, as a debater, you really don't have the right to choose who hears your statements when you're given a platform to speak. If people who disagree with you arrive, it's your job to convince them of the merits to your argument. If you can't do that, I'd argue the problem isn't your audience, but your argument. Which, being entirely fair, after this long from her and the consistent way she treats people who are critical to her, I'd further argue the problem isn't the argument or the audience, but the person themselves.
To put it bluntly, when everyone around her seems to act like they're walking on eggshells to avoid setting her off, I tend to think that there is some merit to the argument that she's aiming to stir controversy, not to have an actual discussion in good faith. Y'know, ironically the very thing she's accusing everyone who showed up but didn't agree with her of doing.
Oh my gods are you fucking kidding me? They apologized TO HER?! That is a joke, right? I thought we were on our way to a more free and equal society, but when they give bullies like Sarkeesian, not just another free pass, but a fucking apology after she does something like this, it proves that we are going in the opposite direction of equality. Being a woman doesn't cancel out being a hateful extremist.
Boycotting vidcon forever. We need to make it clear that this is wrong.
Simon Hampus
don't boycott it...
visit it and trigger the fuck out of those cunts and morons
Kevin Müller you guys are hilarious. Nobody cares if you boycott Vidcon or not. If you really want to trigger them host a competing concept to Vidcon.
Did somebody say VidConGate?
Simon Hampus I agree with you 100%. She has to to be beld accountable for her vile actions and not be a victim anymore, she needs to apologize to Sargon and Boogie. Behaviour like hers shouldn't be tolerated in any shape form or variety by anybody.
then u prove her point why would u want to make her right?
Main Stream Media is likely going to tank, its your time to shine bro! Fantastic video, as per usual! Thank you :)
Anita is a toxic person. She's a hypocrite and she deserves to be punished for the way she treated people while she was on the panel and after the panel i.e. Boogie. She is professionally offended, and people like her don't deserve the attention they get. So sick of seeing her, hearing about her, she isn't a feminist and she only brings toxicity to the community. Being on a cyberbully panel is laughable considering she is guilty of it herself.
All of the trash things Anita has done need to be exposed to the green brothers and world, the professional victim is winning we need to be heard.
^ gild this man!
It has been exposed... by people like Sargon. You know what they get? Threated to be kicked out of the next VIDCON and called a harasser. The green brothers know EXACTLY what they are doing. They are following the listen and believe mantra of the new religious cult: Feminism
Anita is a predator justifying her aggression with a childish they did it first. Just like every other predator through out history.
Being exposed by people specifically like Sargon just helps her victim persona. Sargon is human trash just the same.
Anita Sarkessian is a ermeni feminist who visits countrys with majority gamer population.
But she never visited Turkey.
Why ?
wow first time I have viewed this channel ........good job, subbed.
I used to think you were another TH-cam Drama merchant, but the quality of news and the tailor-ship of your stories to your audience is fantastic, keep up the good work. You are a flag bearer for the true new media.
I'm very disappointed with Green not punishing Sarkeesian and instead playing right into her professional victim shtick.
It's no surprise from a pair of leftest male beta cucks!!!
I couldn't agree more
He apologized to her LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Commodorefan64 don't use that word, it's lame and lazy and old at this point.
Derrick Sizemore HILARIOUS AND ORIGINAL
I really love how you cover both sides, and keep an open mind about almost every topic. Well done man, thanks for creating that trust
Ugh just shut up!
why would he do that?
he's just covering the story
bashing someone even though the person is wrong is bad, bc you may become what you hate
Bashing someone when they are wrong is the only time you should be bashing anyone!
"the burger, not kate upton" i'm laughing so hard
Whatever the context, she violated the rules, she should be kicked out, that's how it should be, if you break the rules and just get a free pass then what's the point of rules in the first place? It has nothing to do with who she is or how she acts, she broke the rules, end of story.
Nick Clark YOU BROKE THE RULES
(anyone who gets the reference I love you)
Not just a free pass, but apologized too, haha
YOU BROKE THE WOOLS
Nick Clark Yes!
Nick Clark We all know Sargon. Would have been kicked out.
She yelled at Boogie?! Unacceptable! And no I'm not being sarcastic. He is the nicest human!
Basically shows her for what she is: A bully playacting as a victim.
I go to school and do speeches in front of tons of my enemies, yet I don't feel "unsafe" and "harassed" by their presence. Sure I may be a little stressed if the become distracting, but I don't lash out and curse at them for no reason.
She is horrible, has horrible arguments, and when people criticize her she says its because she is a woman and is afraid. Incredibly pathetic woman.
And I mean, look at Cenk Uygur, Franchesca Ramsey, and Kat Blaque. NONE of them flipped the fuck out when the "entourage" (as Anita called it) was sitting in the front row. In fact, those three people got mad respect for not being total dickheads. Anita is the ONLY ONE who freaked out or felt harassed or intimidated. Yet she still tried pulling other women into it, both of whom did not give a SHIT that Sargon and friends were there.
what school you go to where you have tons of "enemies"?
"she says its because she is a woman and is afraid"
And literally *nobody* sees how sexist that is to paint women as so "weak" that the same shit we *all* have to deal with are worse for women.
She is a basket case person.
Ya know, after years of Boogie saying great things about you I decided to finally check out what he was talking about. Subscribed.
None of the people critiquing Anita's videos have called for her doxxing or harassment.
Anita is the queen of cultivating outrage. She disallows discussion on her videos, and chooses only to highlight comments from anonymous (probably 14 year old) idiots who make rape and death threats to make her seem more sympathetic. She has never addressed any of the criticisms raised in the dozens of reasonably polite response videos made to her video series.
She blanket labels all forms of criticism as "Harassment" and wilfully conflates a critique video of her ideology with an abusive twitter comment making a personal attack.
This has led to plenty of people on the other side of the argument being doxxed, swatted, and receiving death threats simply because they are the most visible critics of Anita and her videos. Talk to Mundane Matt about the negative attention he's received. He's been swatted AND he's had anonymous people on twitter tell him he should ABORT his unborn child.
Anita may have a couple of good points to make about the media portrayal of females and harassment online, unfortunately these points are buried amongst her desire to portray herself as a damsel-in-distress, her poor research, and her over-simplified, cherry-picked bad points and that makes it difficult to take her seriously.
If she had a few conversations with the people critiquing her instead of stuffing her fingers in her ears and focusing instead of the idiots threatening her over twitter, (none of whom's threats have been viewed as credible by the police) that would be better for everyone and would lead to far *less* negative videos being made about her.
Anita: "Women are strong! Women can do anything men can do! Women shouldn't be viewed as damsels in distress!"
Also Anita: "You've been critical of me? OPPRESSION! You just sitting there is HARASSING ME."
Anita is an embarrassment to actually strong women. Ironic that she's known for complaining about women being portrayed as weak in videogames, but shows how much she wishes to remain in her princess tower, away from the voices that criticise her rediculous arguments.
Alexandria Birk She made Boogie sad. That's already proof she's a bad person to me.
Alexandria Birk women can't do shit apart make me cumm
Tropes Vs. Women in real life.
Women like YOU are great, Women like Anita make me sick.
Quote from Rags " Anita is a professional victim."
yeah weak move on hank greens part, what they did was given Anita preferential treatment and in a really fucked up way blamed the victim for getting harassed by Anita. I don't care who it was, it was an open panel to anyone who had tickets, what's the point of having a panel where you want only people that agree with you to interact with you. Really disappointing cos I know if Sargon had had a panel and harassed Anita in the audience then he would have been kicked out and never allowed back. Hank Green needs to look past his ideology and treat everyone as equals.
JACKx0FxSPADES this is a fair assessment of the situation.
Love It thanks man I try to be as unbiased as possible even when it concerns anita lol
JACKx0FxSPADES I think I'm downing all content from Green now on. This is absurd.
astute observation and great analysis.
JACKx0FxSPADES Anita is a professional victim. The only way to deal with one is to reject their stance outright, or end up apologizing down the line. There is no middle ground with these people. Their beliefs need to be dismantled in public arenas. Of course they avoid these as a rule because they have no facts backing their arguments and would be exposed as simpletons with an agenda and/or victims complex. Giving a person like Anita a microphone while not allowing her to be challenged is how you get to this point. She'd have been a footnote in a ridiculous time in history had anyone been allowed to question her garbage long ago.
can you imagine being harassed and insulted and having your life and the lives of your loved ones threatened on a near-daily basis for YEARS and then going to an event where the perpetrators of your daily harassment are sitting pretty front-and-center in front of you? I'd probably be _just a little_ on edge too
So a panelist insults an audience member and swears at them...and all they did was sit there? Did Sargon attack her verbally or otherwise? If not, Anita just got away with public embarrassment and harassment. The VidCon runners let this go with the ever-so-often-used "He deserved it" clause. As others have stated, if this was reversed Sargon would've been removed, banned, and his channel flagged or removed. She's disgusting.
That's 'cause the people who started vidcon don't wanna get into Sargon's panties.
TheMedievalMassacre
Yep. Double standards at their finest.
Boycott the Green brothers!!!
Sargon hasn't said anything "hateful", about Anita... He's just torn apart all her pathetic arguments... Nothing wrong with criticism. Fuck Hank Green.
TrumpCat
I don't even think he said that. From my understanding, everyone of that community that went all agreed to not say anything or snicker or anything like that. Granted, they also didn't clap for her, so it was a sort of silent protest, but even then one isn't entitled to being applauded.
You're a complete idiot if you think that sargon is innocent, just look at the harassment he has directed at her.
You don't get to provoke someone like that then be surprised they act like that.
I just want to thank James for editing, he doesn't get any recognition for the editing that he does, but he is one of the forces that keeps the show going. Thanks James.
Now I'm sure that Markiplier would 100% say that, word for word, to PhillyD's face, because it's that hilarious.
That being said, the rumor before any kind of statement was issued is that "the organizers will side with Anita because they're biased towards her". And I thought.... nah... they have to be coherent. And they also implied that those people sitting in the first three rows had "fake passes". That being said, and knowing Sargon is the most prominent name (and youtube channel) as the voice of "anti (third wave) feminism", exposing flaws in their arguments, having a full 4% of his videos dedicated to Anita (30 in total, spread by the course of several years)... yeah, I dont buy it. They flipped this on the victim. And now it's his fault. And that excuses her abuse, and disregarding most of the questions in the Q&A session. All they forgot to add was "maybe if he dressed appropriately this wouldnt have happened". Messed up.
What's more messed up is Boogie's case. I can understand how this could flip against Sargon, but Boogie? Fucking hell.
Alais: Took me this long to answer you because I was listening to Boogies video regarding this issue. You can watch it here (v=3qEwRZ0PziA). Yes, she flipped at Boogie. But they talked it out. That part was not told. Even tho I do not like Anita, nor I respect her attitudes, or her business model, in all fairness sake, she at least sat down with Boogie and talked it out. But he explains in more detail, so do check out the video.
I think that overall, Americans just need to be more knowledgable about what's really going on in Politics. Personally, I think that whoever ascribes only to one party on everything are idiots. It's time for Americans to pull up the C-SPAN, read books from people with every bias out there, and then decide for themselves.
Fucking this! I've been saying this for a while now. If you affiliate with just one party entirely you are blinding yourself with their ideologies, and to me, that is the most foolish thing a person can do. Be open-minded, I'd advise against taking big media companies articles or news word for word if anything avoid them or at least take it with a grain of salt. It's better to find people on both sides who have their own take, avoid the extremists, and listen to what they have to say. Then decide for yourself on issues. Thats why i'm registared Independent for a reason.
So Vidcon apologized to HER? Seriously? Had the roles been reversed he would have been banned before the day was over.
John Patz Probably true.
What about the story of the man who was helping a lost 2 year old in Lakeland find her parents at a baseball game who got punched in the face by the dad, and then called a kidnapper all over social media? He has been publicly defamed for doing the right thing. The girl's parents clearly were not watching their child, and their kid could have actually got kidnapped or wandered off and been hit by a car or something. And everyone is going on about the guy being a predator and kidnapper.
Anna G when was this?? story seems so fucked up from what you say, interested in learning more..if u have a link? please
Anna G www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/06/27/a-man-helped-a-lost-toddler-find-her-parents-police-say-he-was-smeared-online-as-a-predator-and-fled-town/?tid=sm_fb
Bella D I think it was the 24th of this month but I'm not quite sure. It is messed up
Bella D Here's another link for you m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155523149630159&substory_index=0&id=65748775158
Wow Anita can break policy and insult people and then go hide behind "Oh I'm opressed." Then the person who is supposed to be enforcing the rules against her apologises to her. Completely ridiculous.
The power plant bikini story had me shouting "What?" at my computer screen for two full minutes, unable to stop.
who else was waiting in there sub feed for this vid to be uploaded
everyday
He was like an hour late!
Zakiy A me xD
Yup
yep
Mr Green apologized to Anita!?! Talk about double standards. Disagreeing with a public figure isn't harassment. Punching down to a paid audience member is outrageous. She got preferential treatment because she's a female cry bully. She says she wants equality, but also for people not to say mean things. That's not equality. In the real world someone can disagree with you.
Hell yeah!
Yeah Green's response to this made them both look like pansy-asses. The fact that he apologizes to her really makes my blood boil. I wonder what that sounded like. "I'm sorry we allowed a paying customer to sit in the crowd of your panel about having a conversation, next time we will just throw his ass in our panel gulag." What a bullshit double standard
can I just say. screw the 4th riech... I mean the EU.
Jane W I disagree with your assessment. 1. Sargon clearly has an agenda, hence the recording of the panel and also taking up 3 rows with his entourage. 2. You're ignoring his history of attacking Anita 3. You're also missing the point of a conversation which allows people to listen and respond while being polite. 4. I don't think you actually know what Anita advocates 5. Her panel should have had more security, hence the apology she received
I agree whole heartedly.
Even when she's in the wrong, she still plays the victim.
Anita Sarkeesian has been the victim of harassment, online abuse, and death threats for literal years. The man she called out has encouraged that kind of behavior towards her. That context is important when considering both her behavior towards him and VidCon's response to it. They explained to her that she violated their policy, but they also understand the context of her situation. Yes, rules and policies are important. However, context is equally important.
I interpreted the line about footage "focusing outrage on individuals" slightly differently. I didn't take it to mean that if someone is a jerk and you got footage you shouldn't use it. Other wise the video of the Instagram kid yelling at staff would be against policy. Instead I took it to mean if you film someone and then use that in a video where you incite hate being directed towards that person or defame them (in the legal sense), that's when it's an issue.
My thoughts exactly, Brynley. I can see how Phil could understand it that way after looking at it again though. It probably could have been clearer about that.
I don't know why people still watch CNN or Fox News
+Giant Douche Confirmation bias.
Mavik
BBC is leftish but are at least telling the truth, unlike CNN. Don't know whether you have access to them in the US though. Prob do...
Giant Douche at least fox doesn't make up stories on every day basis and they don't even try to hide that they prefer the right "side".
Mavik Hmmmm.... You mean in inaccuracies or in biases.... or both?
I haven't looked at either in the past 15 years. Get news from reputable sources, even wikipedia is more detailed and accurate.
I enjoyed those Carl's Jr. ads. I've yet to enjoy a Carl's Jr. burger.
JoKing hahahahahahahahaha
I haven't had Carl's Jr since 2009, but I can say, I enjoyed their chicken strips.
Rural Iowa is mostly Wendys, Hardys, and Carl jrs. Start there.
Oh my. I've been waiting for Czech Republic related news for ages and now it's this. :D :D
It's so disgustingly hard to trust cable news and has been for quite a while. It's not just CNN, it's basically all TV news. WHICH is why you need to get in on that market and shake shit up. You need to reach more than just those who watch YT regularly, it's necessary.
infowars has all my trust they be the most reliable at the moment
sergio garcia I dont trust them either. You got Alex Jones saying some of the most asinine shit like frogs are being turned gay just puts me off. I do agree on a few things he says but I take it with a pinch of salt.
Dylan Gilreath totes
+Dylan Gilreath Yes.
jesus fucking christ. the trump defense. "you just misinterpreting his words blah blah media blah blah liberal". im guessing that demons also possess political candidates in hopes of trolling?
I knew the Greens weren't going to do anything about it. I feel bad for Boogie, the guy with the golden heart, had to go through anxiety for weeks being extra careful not to offend Anita which in the end found a way to get offended. Jeez Just wanna say to Anita, "Hey! that's not cool. who hurt you?" lol Seriously, Phil I wouldn't be surprised if Anita comes after you since you're spewing out common sense.
Shirt Pants I mean Greens probably know half of Sargon's friends are going to make like 20 videos over the next week about Anita now and that seems punishment enough. Especially if her biggest fan Thunderf00t does it.
Christ the middle left and far right are both fucking awful
Lincoln Reichard confused. are you calling sarkeesian "middle left"? She's a far left authoritarian.
Lincoln Reichard
At this point though, I wouldn't be surprised if Thundeef00t took a crack at Sargon instead. XD
Honestly, too bad he wasn't in the crowd for that though. Now that *really* would have been a meltdown.
The liberal bias and effectively worship of women by the greens "the fault in your stars" makes them as blue pill as it gets. They view women like anita as children to be protected, they are the ultimate example why lefties make it dangerous to give women power, because they will refuse to hold them accountable, and the unaccountable are tyrants. To put it simply, these types cannot treat women as equals, they are the true sexists.
Deja Entendu no her ideas are middle left. Far left on the US spectrum of dumb politics but much more middle left on a non-country based system.
T
It's really sad how everyone seems to fall for Anita's bullshit. The problem here is that the guys at VidCon don't know the full story, they haven't done their research. They just listen to Anita and Anita says she's been "harassed" and "bullied" by Sargon so they believe her. But they don't know that what Anita refers to as being "harassment" is not harassment. It's simple criticism. If criticism is harassment then Phil and h3h3 harass people on a daily basis.
Yes, if you lie and make false claims people will call you out on it and correct you. If you try to slander a group of people or an entire industry they might hate you. If you make ridiculous statements people will disagree and laugh at you. That's not harassment, that's not bullying, that's not sexism. It's what happens when you're a celebrity, have strong opinions and you speak your mind.
Vulcan Hades I'm tired of people putting her feeling first. She victimizes herself so she can make others bend backwards to make sure she's not offended. It needs to be stopped. It will hurt and demonize others who did nothing wrong, and if someone actually goes out to stalk her, no one will believe her. Her petty little show will only make more people insult her. If it is just someone disagreeing, she is incapable of being self-critical. She needs to grow up.
Vulcan Hades yep, and based on this video it seems like they only talked to Anita for context. They have to talk with both sides.
Vulcan Hades She has received harassment in the past though. She was doxxed and her address and phone number were released. She was mailed death threats. I'm not a fan of her stuff, it's generally badly researched and done purely for attention. (Plus the whole kickstarter scam) But to say that she's never been harassed isn't true.
OnigiriPuff, but not by Sargon now, right?
Yes, those well-thought-out criticisms where he blames people like Sarkeesian for Elliot Rodger going on a mass shooting spree.
Your second comment is more aptly applied to Sargon. He falsely claimed Sarkeesian pocketed the donations from Kickstarter (she didn't, you can go look at her tax returns). He perpetuated the "ethics in game journalism" narrative, despite screenshots and other evidence saying otherwise from the movement's ringleaders. Sargon will strawman and take Sarkeesian out of context so he can use it to drum up those subscriptions and followers.
It's amazing Sarkeesian didn't jump off the stage and stab him after the things Sargon and his cronies have done.
Your insight on things is what all the news outlets need. Philip for president 2020!
Rip editor James!
You will be missed
KyleLFC97 "he's not dead. he's just heavily drinking at his desk and groaning at anyone who speaks with him"
theres a 2015 video from sargon called "whos harassing Anita" .. it spends half the video defending her from abusive tweets... and she calls him a "garbage human" .. I very much doubt she has seen a single video of his
i am no fan of Anita Sarkesian, so i recognize my bias in this statement. but, i can't help but feel like this sets a troubling precedent with no formal punishment handed down onto her. anita fans are just as toxic and have harrassed sargon of akkahd just as consistently and viciously as his have gone after her. so to say that because of this she should not be punished for attacking him, when i think we all know that if the tables are turned sargon would most likely not be given as lenient a punishment, is in my opinion just aweful.
+Robert G - But she's a lady! What do you want, equality or something?
that "lady" has a dick my friend. hair on the theet and a quite large stick up her behind.
i would call that a dissabled doberman crossed with a really bad lawyer but by god no lady ^^
Seriously? Not even a slap on the wrist for Anita? Here is how you could solve this problem. 1. kick Anita out for the duration of vidcon for violating policy. 2. Hire more security so panelists don't feel "intimidated".
There, both sides can now be happy! The fact that they want to ban people from bringing in video cameras is not ok.
Hey i stepped on your Shoe! APOLOGIZE TO ME!
pokemonfreak619
I'm so sorry, my foot should have been revolting against the patriarchy instead of being in your way! I'll have a talk to him about his sexist ideals when we get home.
OPPRESSION! OPPRESSION! OPPRESSION!
When I was growing up, a lot of people still believed professional wrestling to be 100% real. Then one day they stopped calling themselves a "sport" and started calling themselves "sports entertainment". It was to avoid lawsuits. Does anyone else wonder if the same thing is going on with the switch from "news" to "media"?
So when can we get another segement of ... "Hey, That's not coo"
Izuku Midoriya we just did with all the vidcon bullshit
"The burger, not Kate Upton" LMAO
God this statement is rich, calling having people who disagree with you just sitting there, in silence, politely listening to you a hostile environment, implying that if they had known some of the attendees where critical of Anita they wowld have taken measures to bar them from attending the panel, Implying that the members of this group who held passes were not entitled to them, as if their opinions somehow ment they arent real youtube creators, the whole intimidation angle, as if they were silently mouthing "I will rape you" or "I know where you live" while running their fingers across their throats, as if she was fearful they where going to storm the stage at any moment.
Could we stop calling criticising someone who pursues a large public presence "targeting" or "harassment" you are not some housewife or an anonymous teenager being contacted by randos, you can't have your cake and eat it, you cant have the attention, the cloud, and the money etc. that comes with a large public presence, but refuse to deal with the scrutiny and negative attention.
She has literally received rape threats, death threats, and been doxxed, and you have one of the huge sources of this toxic group of trolls stacking the front rows of a panel and members of his audience trolling the Q&A? Yeah, it's a hostile environment, and just because he was silent and his audience was doing the trolling, they were in the front. If he wanted to just come and listen, he could have found a spot near the back to unobtrusively watch on his own, but he had a group of followers with him, and they engaged without taking it seriously or asking reasonable questions with any reasonable expectation of there being a genuine discussion on the topic. They came to troll. Sargon has a way bigger audience than her but he's making himself out to be the victim in spite of showing up with an entourage. if roles were reversed, they couldn't even be reversed because Anita's supporters haven't actually proven to be willing to track down and kill Sargon let alone make rape threats which are almost exclusively applied to women.
Wow! this is almost as rich as the Vidcon statement!
Ok, first let's explain how insults work; When insulting someone you say things that will upset them, no one is going to track down and rape Anita just as that 12 year-old in the voice chat of your favorite videogame isn't fucking your mom.
Second, lets not play to this weird routine of implying or straight up asserting that anyone insulting Ainta does it under direct command of any of the successful youtubers criticising her as part of some nebulous underground hate army. Proving she is a misinformed misinforming malicious fraudster does not make you responsible the fallout. Remember when Woodward and Bernstein inciting hatred, trolling and harassment against Nixon? the monsters!
Third, is there any difficult question, or scrutiny that Anita won't labeled as malicious trolling?
Forth, to which degree how accompanied the victim was affects how wrong it was for a featured panelist to unprovokedly single him out and berate him?
Fifth, If the roles where reversed this wowld have hit all major news outlets, with anita giving quivering voices interviews to whoever asked and Sargon wowld have been blacklisted and expelled from the benue faster than you can say "double standards", and all his social media accounts suspended, while Anita wowld have milked it for a couple more years of neglecting her obligations to attend well paid speaking engagements.
And Sixth, if you want to learn what Sarkeesian's supporters are willing to do, just ask Phil Mason