Philip DeFranco that first story is just so creepy, and I hate when people try to point to other horrible situations to divert attention from their own situation 🙄
Well. She is right about one thing. Age does not determine maturity because if it did she (being 18 years old) would have not posted that video making herself look like a moron.
To respond to the 13 and 18 year old story: my husband is 4 years older than me. I’m 22, so our maturity levels are similar and we are in similar parts of our life. Had I met him when I was 13 (him 17) it would be so wrong. So so incredibly wrong. At 13, I was calling my mom “mommy,” I had my first period, I was scared to swear, I had a Wii themed birthday party! Why would a 17 year old almost man want to be with a child like that? Sick.
Ang it was. My neighbor made me a Wii cake, had Little Caesar’s pizza, and it was centered around Guitar Hero (my fav game at the time.) We has bean bag chairs and my friend decided to poke a hole in both of them and we ended up throwing the little beans at each other. Pretty memorable. This was 10 years ago. I was content with having my nails and toes painted at a salon (just polish) and my new flip phone. People still talk about my birthday party tbh
Too be honest there's a reason as to why guys make the stereotypical "Nice" and "Wish I had been in his shoes," comments. Even in the face of those yelling "double standards" I think that there is this phenomenon that society has recognized but chooses to ignores that communicates that guys simply do not feel as victomized when engaged in this type of relationship between them as a teenager and another adult. Even with that said I highly value the merets of mantaining and enforcing an equal age of consent between the sexes. I simply can not think to see this lady as equal to a guy who could and would be more likely to use whatever leverage he can in order to ensure the existence of some sort of relationship between him and a teenager. It doesn't do my conscious well to see this lady to be treated by that false equivalent. It really doesn't...
I have a family member who “dated” a 14 year old when he was 19......yeah, he went to jail. Find him on the registry. This girl is being protected by double standards when the child should be the one protected from a predator.
Yknow an old wise man once told me "Age aint nothing but a number" Arguably that "old wise man" was Kevin Spacey but lets not focus on who said what here guys?
Kers Pertt Kers Pertt A wise man once told me that its alright to have relationship that may be questionable but if you really like that person it doesnt matter. Granted that man was Harvey Weinstein, but I try not to judge.
i think the mum was making sure nothing bad was happening. she may have been the one to tell them to wait. Also the main fault here is probably that they posted about it
Sammie Tuzday thank You!!! Lovely to read an educated females comment on this as most have defended her from what I've read on here. Equality means equal on everything... both positive and negative. Reading your comment has made me A LOT LESS angry tbh lol. Thank you.
THANK YOU! I have been waiting to see this comment. No one else here is talking about how people would have reacted if a man did this. We live in a world with such high double standards that people aren't even talking about them. To see someone finally bring it up makes me so happy I feel the veins in my head pounding and I might have an aneurysm.
It's so sexist because people expect males (of any age) to be interested in a sexual relationship with an attractive woman and women are often regarded as sexually passive. It's disturbing that some people can't see a child predator because that predator is a young and pretty woman. At 13 no matter how 'mature' you are you should not be in a sexual relationship, especially not with an adult. That poor boy is not being protected.
dylan I dunno. I think sometimes the issue is gray especially when it's the woman who's older. Like, what are we really talking about here? Two dumb kids who think they're in love courting/dating/kissing? What's the long term psychological damage you fear the 13-year-old will experience?
ApartmentViews see that's sexism right there "especially when the woman is older". 13 year olds don't have the life experience, cognitive abilities or stability to cocent to an adult sexual relationship. Young teens are not mature enough to be in that situation, they can be easily taken advantage of and should be allowed to be kids. How would you feel if you had a 13 year old daughter that some 18 year old was putting in sexual situations? Don't defend sexual predators.
ApartmentViews and if you don't think being sexualised and put in inappropriate situations by someone far older, who should know better, is psychologically damaging then I implore you to think and do some research.
The age difference is weird but she's not an adult. They're both teenagers. At 18 she is still a teenager. She even sounds like a 15/16 year old, she doesn't seem mature at all so I don't think she's a predator.
It still baffles me that they're charging someone for racism, when what he did made fun of racists, as "the worst thing ever" would be a "Nazi." It just... baffles me.
the thing is it shouldnt matter how he made the nazis look, he should be allowed to make a video praising nazis and shouldnt be jailed for it, because thats what free speech is...
It's just especially ridiculous because the law may be unjust, but he didn't even break the law. More than just the principle of free speech is being ignored, the entire legal process is.
BlindEagle Ace In Europe? You mean the third world nations the EU didn't want? South America lol? When you go to Mexico the first thing you will see is small tiny children begging, and trying to sell things, sometimes selling themselves. This is actually illegal due to UN regulations, but it absolutely does happen anyway. However, I don't think that many people who see that think, "Mexico is awesome, I want my kids to grow up this way too, because I love and care about them so much, and this childhood is clearly fantastic." There are countries where abuse, war, poverty and corruption are very common place- and every person who lives in these countries, seems desperate to immigrate to a country with rules and standards like the USA. Woman actually mature earlier than men do, so this is actually worse than a 13 year old girl and an 18 year old guy. I think that most 25 year old guys, if they spend time with 13 year old boys, would begin to understand why this is so wrong. 13 year old boys are very keen to do things that will hurt and damage them- that is why they need parents who actually care about them.
Yeah, I was half expecting her to say "age is not a real representation of maturity" (arguable, but not in the way she seems to think it is, I'd suggest, and even so, it's a pretty good guideline) and then follow it up with "I'm a complete idiot and have the mental capacity of a nine year old".
+Laura lol that's actually true. In school a lot of males 'date down' when it comes to age and females 'date up'. Granted its usually just a school year or two and not *5 years* but it is a trend that happens.
If he was well known, and in my opinion, it would definitely be more talked about. But speaking from experience (as I was once a 13 year old girl lol) there were TONS and TONS of 17, 18, 19 and 20 year old dudes who were ALWAYS trying to hook up with me and my friends when we were 12, 13 and 14. I even had some friend, when we were 13, dating 19 year old dudes. No one really cared or did anything about it. Just FYI I'm not saying this is okay. It's 100% not okay. But generally speaking, 18, 19 and 20 year old dudes get away with dating 13 year old girls ALL THE TIME. We don't hear about it because it's usually seen as some cultural normal in whatever area they live in. I know where I'm from it wasn't unusual for older men to be with young teenagers.
MarigoldWitch Yeah, as I understand it there’s even a thing for girls 14-16 of “my boyfriend’s in UNIVERSITY.” with the implication that this means the girl is cool.
When in doubt, reverse the roles. If he's 18 and she's 13 and it's creepy, then the same applies when she's 18 and he's 13. If you see something wrong with one, but the other is okay, you have a double standard.
but she's NOT a guy. Girls mature earlier than boys, which makes her even older. When I was young girls always dated guys a couple of years OLDER. Not usually five, that's a bit far, but two or three was normal.
When in doubt, everyone say this exact same comment. I'm, really getting tired of this comment. I feel the need to tell everyone that says "If a man did it" to please stop saying it. The first 100 people that said it thought they got the point across.
How could you not notice. Every other comment is the same thing "If a man did it he would be crucified, lynched, mauled to death, publicly ruined." it's the same comment over and over.
Just imagine if there was a 18 year old boy “dating” a 13 year old girl. He would be instantly be known as a sexual predator and wanted to be burned at stake by most people. What a world
That’s true but I see it as boys are a lot sexually driven then girls. I’m not saying it’s right at all, I think it’s so wrong, but I can where she thinks it’s okay and where she is coming from. Still think it’s creepy though. Like 13, are your serious?
As someone who used to be a young female (12 years old) who attracted older males (18 to 21+) when I was younger I used to never think twice about older males that I found attractive finding me attractive. I had the same mindset if I was mature, there’s nothing wrong with these men, I just act and look older than I am. As I’ve gotten older (now 20) I look back at those men, some who still try and contact me and I am disgusted by them. I’m disgusted that as a child I didn’t see the predators and I just saw it as men being nice to me, or men finding me attractive. But I was a CHILD. it didn’t matter how smart or mature I was, I was barely in middle school, being hit on and in some cases dating men who lived on their own and were GROWN ADULTS. As someone who has younger siblings, and kids I’m horrified and disgusted at how hard it is to convince people that someone who is 12,13 that dating anyone who is considered a legal adult is WRONG. Someone who is an ADULT shouldn’t have an attraction to a CHILD. You shouldn’t even be putting yourself in the position to meet or speak with children that young, let alone act on any attraction you have. You’re an adult, taking advantage of a child who doesn’t see the harsh reality of it, but only sees the “kindness” or “love” they feel from the ADULT.
Count Dankula being willing to go to jail is incredibly honorable. I wouldn't do that if I was in his shoes, because I'm a sissy, but he is absolutely amazing for making this as big of a deal as it should be and standing up for everyone's right to free speech.
Yea in terms of this case he's being exemplary, but I followed him on twitter and came to regret it very quickly... he's not nearly as 'not-nazi' as he claims in court
Drak FuckYouGoogle he is a troll, he is not a Nazi, nor a communist. He's like a pacifist center, I won't call him libertarian, because he never said it, but he act like one.
Charlie Hustle Havent actually checked his content lol so I have to ask, what makes you say he's a piece of shit? What's his regular content like and is it rly that bad?
I’m Jewish and nazis disgust me, but I DO NOT think that ANYONE should go to jail for an offensive video. I am a strong advocate of free speech and I believe that if someone has a opposing opinion we should let them talk. This law disturbs me on a deep level.
Aaron Cabbage And the overwhelming majority of Jews who knew of the Dankula case were also in support of Dankula and his right to freedom of speech. The only people who saw offence in the joke video were the police and the court.
#WasntEvenOffensive .... thu the UK law p much says "anything you say can be taken out of context to jail you if we can be arsed....." ...sooo UK is a failed state....kek
The worst part is, no one actually claimed this video was offensive. The police decided this for themselves without a single complaint, and then lied about there being complaints, which was then revealed to be a lie during court proceedings. Essentially, this wasn't an offensive video, the police just DECIDED it was, and the judge convicted him, not even taking it to a jury.
The fact of the matter is, this is an 18-year-old who is considered an adult nationwide and at 17 an adult in the state of Texas. This is an adult dating a 13-year old who is still in middle school. Don't try to pass it off as Disney love when the legality of the situation is morally repugnant. Call it what it is, stop the pity party and date someone your own age. The mother defending the "relationship" is enabling the situation. I'm surprised she is somehow okay with this. What kind of parent defends this? If she had a daughter (she might but who knows) would she have the same reaction if it was her 13-year-old daughter dating an 18-year-old guy? If not, then why defend these two as "young love."
Not in all cases. The police in my local area acted like I was a consenting adult at 14. The guy was 21. They knew what was going on but did nothing at all.
When I was 13 I was assaulted by an 18 year old and nothing happened to him. I am in California and I'm disabled in a wheelchair. So you would think he would have been punished at all but nope and he has gone on to do things to other young girls. He was finally sent to prison after the 3rd time that I know of.
Rusty LeAnn Um, puberty for men can begin as soon as the age of 9. That being said, if sexual relations were involved between these two, there isn't a place on earth that will fulfill what must be done to that bitch.
I had a full beard at 13 to say hes not even gone through puberty isn't necessarily true, some people experience their "puberty" at different ages depending on genetics and environmental factors. Puberty is defined as "the period during which adolescents reach sexual maturity and become capable of reproduction" If you judge it by definition a young girl can go through puberty as soon as 8 years old and 9 y/o with boys but in general most people generally go through early stages of puberty around age 10. I don't think its the end of the world if two young adults date I.e two 17+ y/o people, and I may not think it is great that a 18 and 13 y/o date. I personally would be against any of my future kids dating a 17+ y/o at 13. But things like this happen and there is in some states or even cities "Romeo and Juliet laws" that protect such relationships if they either started years before one became a legal adult or they were close friends growing up and that lead to a relationship.
Thank you for talking about the Count Dankula situation. The whole thing confounds me in its bizarre absurdity. It’s like the judge has is out specifically for him. He shouldn’t even have to pay a fine, as he did nothing wrong. In a world where rapist and murderers can get appeals, how can someone making a Nazi joke (one that casts nazi’s in a negative light) be denied appeal and go to jail? All because some stubborn old judge didn’t get the joke? Where is the justice?
As a Jewish person, I have to say, I find the Nazi Pug video absolutely, unconscionably, and undeniably hilarious. I am completely offended... by the attempts of the UK officials to ruin this guy's life, when the only appropriate reaction is to take him out for a beer.
Romina Constenla The UK government is wholly comitted to the concept of political correctness which means the treason to all of one's values and the denial of reality in order to pander to perceived oppressed groups in order to look like a virtuous defender of the downtrodden.
Even if she was a year younger or he was one year older they still don't qualify for Texas' Romeo and Juliet law. That law states "Anyone between the ages of 14 and 17 can legally engage in consensual sexual acts with someone within three years of their age, so as long as the other party is at least 14 years old." I know she said she wasn't having sexual relations with the child but I feel like it was going to get to that point if it hasn't happened already. She's 18, she needs to date people around her age, not 5 years younger then her.
she "needs" to" because of the law. but you're ignoring the arguement which is that the law is stupid as fuck and arbitrary. it's based on our current culture. that's it
Where's the double standard tho? Everyone here assuming people would have a difference of opinions of the genders were switched, but there's no evidence of that. Show me an equivalent situation with the genders reversed and my opinion would be the same.
mossara okay guys I know there are strong opinions here but if you resort to name calling it just ruins your point it shows you don't care about the person.
Not likely, if they have parental permission there is really nothing the law can do. As the parents are the ones who file the charges and his mother is obviously okay with them being together.
A couple of things about the first story 1: I was so uncomfortable that I wanted it to end already 2: this chick is attractive. She can have most guys she wants and she decides to be with a 13 year old?!! 3: hebephilia is becoming normalised in our society and it's freaking scary
People like Ms. Juarez are manipulative and know someone that age will worship the ground they walk on...not to mention those in her own age group probably won't put up with her crap!
@chuckdsall-newclassictvclu4264 went to school with her. You are correct. Basically she was one of those fancy girls in high-school all high an mighty, very annoying still piss me off she's not behind bars
Oddly Even omg 😂 first of all, your gender is not your sexuality so if you are suggesting that people who challenge gender norms are "gay" you are very confused about how gender and sexuality relate to eachother, and therefore you have no place debating on such topics. Secondly, comparing a case of an adult innapropriately pursuing a minor to consenting gay adults OR a person identifying as transgender (whichever you were confusingly meaning to refer to) is ludicrous and very offensive. Do some research, and grow up, dumbass.
Bubbly Vegan Sadly... Edit: okay so after a bunch of thinking, here's what I'm going through in my head. Correct anything you need to. I WOULD like to know more, it's more so opinionated though so it doesn't matter if comes from the internet or you. Gender neutral relationships were banned by the justice system... So why is is the Age Gap a bother? I'm thinking more from a broader term, why is that a problem? I'm not promoting some weird uprising in Age Gap relationships, but what couldn't separate gender neutral relationships is the relationship THEY HAD between each other. Maybe teens are becoming more aware because of the social and internet happenings. Are they that delusional? Ask them yourself, they're human. I'm pointing out that young people may not need to be stereotypicalized because they're changing this generation. And people are one tracked mind about it being a pedophilic situation. And I'm speaking broader terms now at this point. But they are totally "illegaly smooshing booties" together though since the boy is an instgram star and is 13... I agree on that :P
I always hope when dankula is in the news that we’ll finally have some common sense. Unfortunately it always just makes me angry. The guys video is in absolutely no way racist
Zach Sweet ikr guy might be going to jail over teaching a dog something, multiple people where I live have been caught stealing etc and they just get a slap on the wrist even tho it’s like the tenth time they’ve been caught 😂
I respect the fact that Dankula is willing to go to jail over all of this. He's standing up for freedom of speech which is something we all deserve. I'm glad someone is fighting for it in a world where it seems to only (and still not completely) exist in the USA
CD Arthurkins, no he's on about that guy that stood against Bill C-16 which threatened how people in Canada used language itself, all because some people are too sensitive
Josh M, okay but Phil D isn't doing anything wrong? Dankula isn't a racist lmao. Phil is defending this guy because some people have painted him as a racist and nazi for simply telling a joke
Good god, Dankula did nothing wrong. A distasteful joke should not be illegal! Keep standing up to a bad system, Dankula. Shine light on it until it goes away.
I’m gonna put this as simple as possible for all to understand... being offensive is NOT a crime, if this is not allowed, ALL of us should be fined at some point or other.
myfantasticteaparty Because that's literally censoring what someone can say. The big boys up above decide what you can and can't say. Sorry if I'm sounding like I'm ranting. I don't support using slurs, they're unnecessary and gross, but the censorship of free speech is not necessary.
myfantasticteaparty because that can then very easily be used to silence any criticism. Just imagine it being illegal to criticize the Catholic Church...
Age gaps almost seem to get smaller as both parties age. For example a 35 and a 30 year old dating; perfectly normal, 18 and 23; eh, I mean I would go for someone closer to my age but you do you, 13 and 18; ummm no, 10 and 15; wtf. The reason for this is the emotional maturity level of both parties. The emotional maturity level of a 30 and 35 year old is basically the exact same, but the emotional development from 10 to 15 or 13 to 18 is huge.
Mav Man i get that and i would be against it but what if the parents of both people were ok with it? Do they have the right maturity level to decide if this age difference matters to them? Or is it still wrong?
but Mav..... many people never develop emotional maturity, you must realize this. plenty of people are immature their whole lives.... you do not know the maturity level of these kids relationship, nor do you know the depths, leave em alone. who is the victim here, you?
How can you say that when you don't even know them? They did nothing legally or morally wrong, and due to the back lash they can just wait until he's 17 to avoid people giving a shit. Like she said, they didn't have any sexual relations, so really them dating can't be different than adults who are married who are 15 years apart sometimes.
Miguel Maldonado you don't know the parents of these kids. You don't know the relationship the parents had with the kids or how they were raised. Just because a parent says so doesn't make it moral or right. After all parents are also human and make mistakes and they were once children that may have been raised in a not so ideal way and then raised their kids simmilarly. So to me, the parents say is irrelevant because we don't know the parents or how they treat the children.
The fact that the muslim grooming gangs had a gag order on it while police arrest people for "islamophobic" tweets The UK is a authoritarian police state.
Tim Evans no we fully understand why the N word causes so much offence its just we dont care because we have other words for people of colour we want to racially offend. In Europe it is ILLEGAL to be or associate with Nazi's and you can be arrested for it, its not our take on racism he have middle eastern people for that. The UK allows no freedoms even in our schools they teach you to never question the rules and laws even if they dont make sense
I’m glad Phil is talking about Ariadna because this is so unbelievably inappropriate for an adult to be this “close” to a 13 year old. Like someone else said, if the roles were reversed, the adult would have been lynched
I don't even think this is the case, but I guess it's country dependant. I am a male that was in a rationship for 5 years with a girl 6 years older then me. We started dating when I was 13 and broke it off when I was 19. (So 19-25 for her) and to be honest, I've seen it reversed too and nobody cares sufficiently. It's obvious when one cannot make a decision and cannot take action when the law for under 18 should apply and when it shouldn't. And I believe what she was trying to explain is that they are not dating at the moment, they did not have sex and they no longer date only because of the public.
who cares? you are making the 13 years old into a victim when he obviously isnt. he is not being forced into doing it. if the kid is okay, the parents are okay, is it realy that weird that justifies all this outrage? why would you get involved in a situation that has nothing to do with you and isnt harming anyone?
I get the concept that when you're an adult that a 5 year age difference isn't a big deal, but I think I would find it creepy to have romantic feelings for someone in middle school when I'm old enough to vote. Even if there's no sex involved, just eww.
For Count Dankula's rejected appeal and him going to court on it, I can understand why you could be torn on it. But the key thing about appealing this and refusing to submit to the court is fighting to set a precedent. The precedent currently stands at "making an offensive video mocking Nazis with a dog warrants severe disciplinary action." The next time somebody makes a video of a goose-stepping zucchini or sig heiling hedgehog, a prosecutor can point at Dankula's case and say "the precedent has been set, the ruling against Dankula streamlines a ruling against others who make similar media." However, by fighting the ruling every step of the way and refusing in every feasible way to submit to the court's ruling, Dankula is preventing this case from being precedent for future equally bullshit prosecutions. 800 quid might seem like very little in comparison to years in prison, but accepting that ruling is a very grave consequence for the rights and creative freedom of all content creators in the nation. Dankula knows this, and he is doing everything he can to not become the precedent that allows that to happen.
vest816: It's very interesting to see people talking at length about a case they don't understand. How can you talk with such certainty when you don't even know what he was actually sentenced for? Firstly, it doesn't set a precedent. It actually says in the filing by the judge that the case does not set a precedent. It's a single isolated incident. Secondly, why do people think the guy was sentenced for actually making a dog do a Nazi salute? (I can tell you why: misrepresentation by the media to sell a story). He was sentenced for the 'gas the jews' bit and how he said the phrase repeatedly. What people don't seem to realise is that this is a really small court case. He did something wrong, but only enough to warrant a moderate fine.
+JamEngulfer That doesn't make it any more justifiable. Just the words 'gas the jews' completely removed from context should not be criminalized. There is a difference between saying 'gas the jews' as a command to a crowd of nazis and saying 'gas the jews' in a comedy video in a non-serious context. One is an actual incitement to violence, the other is just an outrageous part of a JOKE. You can say you don't like the joke, you can say you are offended by the joke, but that does not make it criminal.
I am *disgusted.* This is the second time that I have heard the word, "Maturity" used as a defence when a pedophilic/hebephilic female has gotten involved with an underaged boy. A woman in England who was like 28 raped an 11 year old boy. He said no and she forced her body onto him. The judge said that the ADULT'S immaturity coupled with the child's maturity made them close enough in age for it not to be considered child molestation or something. She didn't face any jail time as far as I remember. Even the father of the child said it was a notch in his son's belt. He dated the woman who raped his son. I am just angered. It's sick when older men target children and it is just as sick when a woman targets a child.
It's not really fair to call her a pedo/hebe. It would be if we knew she was attracted ONLY or PERSISTENTLY attracted to pre/pubescent people (kids). Yeah, it's weird. I certainly don't condone an 18 year old dating a 13 year old, but if the attraction is in spite of age or physical development rather than because of, we can't really label her a pedo/hebe.
A billion is just a number, but it's a number that everyone wants. Just goes to show that numbers are pretty fucking important. They can ruin your life or make it better
He must fight it. If he pays it, they win and sets the precedent that the context of a joke doesn't matter and that one can be prosecuted for the "precieved" intention of a damn joke. If he goes to jail over it, the people will take notice. If he pays it, the nation moves along and nobody gives a shit.
I'm actually super proud of Dankula for fighting and willing to be a martyr over this. If he wins an appeal in the long run, there's now precident for future cases that occur with less visible, unknown people. If he fails and goes to prison there will be just as many in the streets as Tommy Robinson. The state will have to listen to reason at some point. Never thought I'd be a fan of Dankula.
For real, I didn't care all that much about the case at the start, but man, he knows that this means more than himself. If he paid the fine and went on with his life, no one would blame him. He knows it's more important than that, though. And that's inspiring.
"Age of consent should be lowered to 15" the kid she was kissing and potentially having sex with was 13. So even if you think consent should be 15 you should still be against what was going on here.
Phil you should really do a story on the Tokyo Medical University scandal. To condense what went on, they were initially being investigated on claims of corruption due to reports of them adding points to the entrance exam of a government officials son in exchange for favors. While they were researching it they ended up finding something far more alarming. Since at least the year 2000 the TMU has been doctoring the test scores for female applicants. They noticed that there were a growing number of women who were being accepted into the school. So they began to lower the test scores of women to make sure that no more than 30% of accepted applicants would be women. They called it a "necessary evil" because they believed that women would drop out of being doctors when they got married or had children.
"If this has any truth to it" It is a fact. They themselves admitted that they changed the results in disfavour of women. They said that they deducted 20% for all applicants, then added 20 point or more for male applicants as long as they haven't failed at least 4 times. The result will be lot's of women failing even so they should have gotten a passing grade.
The possibility of Marcus going to jail is a disgrace of the legal system. There is no good reason as to why he should be sent to a prison for a very moronic video!
In my opinion, it makes Scotland look bad. Like a joke worse than Dankula's. Ignoring facts and finding a man guilty because they didn't like his media content is absolutely ridiculous. It doesn't even break their own laws. What a shitshow.
Epsilon 356 I wouldn't even call it a shit sense of humour. Nazi jokes are a dime a dozen, and he made it for his friend group. He is going to jail for a JOKE.
There is a pretty good reason. He didn’t/won’t pay the fine. At that point it stops being about the original offense and starts being “well, we can’t have criminals just not serving sentences”
on the nazi pug story: as a jew, i did not really find the video funny, but i don't think this man should face criminal charges. The whole point of the video is to turn the dog into the most horrible thing this man can imagine, with is a nazi. Yes, he is saying and doing things that out of context sound horrible, but this video is not a hate crime, it is edgy shock factor humor. And while i and others may not find the video funny, i don't think it should be illegal. edit: hey, this does not have anything to do with the video, but it made me very happy that i could say i'm a jew in a youtube comment section and not get any anti semitic comments, thank you
I mean, its a joke. It’s similar to the pewdiepie thing, he made jokes about nazi’s which were very funny tbh but people were so blinded by them being offended that they didn’t even consider the context. Its a fucking joke, it has to be offense to someone. Get over it.
I'm proud of Count Dankula's commitment to this case. He is willing to sacrifice his freedom to keep the fight for freedom of speech alive. That's a true hero to me.
Unfortunately he won't win. Thousands of people a year in the UK accept their punishment for their supposed hate speech charges. Dank will go to jail but it won't fix anything. The UK is too far gone. He should have gotten his passport years ago and fled the country. That's the only way he can be a truly safe citizen. He can come here to the US but it wont be long before we follow the UK's, Canada's and Australia's example. The "free world " as we know it will be done for by 2050
CrimpyGummybear Yeah I agree. In the UK the protection of freedom of speech is appalling. You can get arrested for "hate speech". Hate speech does not exist, it can exist if you want it to, or you can ignore it and move on. That's exactly what happened to dankula, and it's just disgusting. Go watch a TH-camr called "Jonathan pie" and his video on dankula's case. It is so hilarious and brave and raises a few good points.
Am i the only person finding it weird that he trained a dog to be a NAZI for fun. Seems kind of wrong to do such a thing. I mean NAZIs did murder millions of Jews. I haven't watched the video, but it appears he was trolling Jews on the holocaust. That just isn't right.
Raymond Acance A guy I knew in a similar situation to the girl is doing a year and is now a registered SO. News outlets crucified him. I think him going to jail is justified, but why shouldnt she?
Women statistically get weaker sentences for the same crimes that men do, so it wouldn’t be a surprise, specially if it’s someone with her looks to just get a slap on the wrist. On TH-cam you got people like Keemstar that made a living showing adult youtubers using their influence to pray on young girls mainly but you won’t see her on Drama Alert because, like rape, people just assume males are horny people that will take it from anybody.... fuck that, it’s a minor, and not like a 15 or 16, it’s a 13 year old for fucks sake. That’s a predator with a cute look unlike the weird old man you would typically see on dateline but it shouldn’t influence your opinion. You are judging the action, not the person. The action is sickening and should have law enforcement step in since the parents won’t.
Sorry but there is no such thing as a mature 13 year old in a sexual relationship with a 18 year old. Maturity is about being able to respond reasonably to an environment. A 13 year old wouldn't think of the repercussions to not using protection. They wouldn't be able to respond reasonably to an abusive relationship. Sorry but when it comes to relationships that have a 5 year age gap with teenagers there is no such thing as maturity.
DarkPhoenix i agree It's a contradiction. If someone over 18 is trying to make advancements towards someone underage and the person who is underage doesn't tell an adult or call the cops then they are not mature.
I hear that lots of 13 year olds are having sex now. My friend told me that's what his uncle said, he told him to get him into character for this movie he is shooting.
i know a lot of 18 year olds and older that can't respond reasonably to an environment as well. the issue is that age as a line doesnt work when people are all different. it's a bad choice for the law but we go with it because it's easy then instead of looking at the situation we just ask about the age. obviously that's the law but the arguement is about whether such a law should even exist and how flawed it is since people are different at different ages. Think of all those 20 year olds that are not able to respond to an environment who are being raped!!!! we should change the age to 20... people are just too stupid to understand this idea so we just keep it simple. and it's a way to help get people to take more responsibility instead of mooching off their parents. pick an age. any age. 18. okay cool 18.
I mean, 2 years ago he was 11. If he was 16 and she just turned 18 I could kinda see it as ok. But the kid is 5 years younger than her. She's an adult and he just became a teen. This is even worse when you take into account there's a bunch of people advocating for pedophiles. She's 100% in the wrong here.
There is no doubt in my mind that this entire situation surrounding an 18-year-old and a 13-year-old is not even worth debating. Their relationship is wrong, and no one, especially not the boys mother, should be condoning it. Anyone who believes otherwise is being FAR too lenient in their judgment. As for Dankula, as much as it is a slippery slope to challenge the courts like that...he kind of NEEDS to do it. As someone effectively standing on the precipice of what SHOULD BE a major debate, his innocent actions are being treated as a crime simply because someone got a little too touchy over a JOKE. If you had told me a few years ago that we would be seeing people fired for old jokes they made years ago when they were a different person or being charged with a "hate crime" just for making a humorous video...I would have given you a strange look and then walked away slowly while wondering what side of the moon you just came back from. Now I just have to shake my head and sigh that crap like this is even happening.
This is especially funny because of how true it is. I mean almost universally that would be the response if one person told another such about 4-6 years ago.
18 and 18 = good 18 and 17 = fine 18 and 16 = fine 18 and 15 = still legal but weird, but its legal so not my business 18 and 14 = please contact your local police station 19 and 13 = *pedo busted* 25 years to life 🙂 your state laws might be different from mines, so chill
Um 18-17 (some arrested for - but only a loopshole for those who 'already were in one' then turned 18) Same to the rest. Where do you live, where these are different? But I do agree, that 18-16 probably should be ok in most cases, and most definitely 18-17.
I saw a general solution before to this: basically their idea was take half your age and add 7, that is an acceptable age difference to date when you're in late teens/twenties
personally, when it comes to minors, +/- 2 years shouldn't matter. We all know that kids age slightly different and some are ahead of others by a year or two. When it comes to 5, 10 or 20 years, please involve psychological professionals and take their advice seriously...
A eighteen year old going around kissing and dating a thirteen year old. My little brother is thirteen years old and I don't understand how a mother could allow this even though she thinks he's mature for his age like what he is STILL a child. I'd never accept any eighteen year old to go near my little brother and kiss him so why does this mother allow it, and the double standards in this situation is simply awful. We all know what everyone would say if it was a eighteen year old guy.
so much respect for marcus. willing to serve jail time because he truly believes he has done nothing wrong. I hope the courts can finally figure out what the word context means and it doesnt get to that point.
I really hope that he was bluffing about that. I don't think he is but he really doesn't deserve to go to jail for it and I don't think that the court will change their mind. It's a shame.
Patrick Bourne that's the point, he did nothing wrong so he won't willingly pay the fine. The court can either admit they were wrong or face the outcome of sending him to jail
TwixShots That's an optimistic view. The Law is a blunt instrument. Nuance, descretion, compassion and latitude are only present in limited quantities (BTW I initially read your name as 'TwitchThots'. It required a double-take)
HUGE shout out to #SandersKennedy that not only [to my knowledge] broke the #AriadnaJuarez story but also for contacting the proper authorities; referenced in the video made by Ariadna and the victims mother at the 3:53 mark. Thank you Sanders Kennedy and any and everyone else that shined a light on the abuse this boy suffered.
When anyone makes anything and puts in out there on the internet for so many to see, you will get extremes. there are always people who fail to get a joke or take satire literally, but that doesn't mean you suddenly cant be satirical just because some arsehole doesn't get the it. And in this case it makes them seem even more like idiots backing something thats directly against them.
Tetris_Chemist to be fair I don’t think there are that many Nazis that use his video as their justification in life (and if there are a lot, wouldn’t that only make them look dumber?)
All the actual nazis supporting him are idiots, that's the point. They completely missed the entire point of the video, if anything proving their stupidity. Making that a means to "prove" that Dankula is a nazi is just dumb.
The irony is that if Dankula does go to jail over this Nazi joke it would be exactly what Hitler would want and unconditionally support. "Make a joke about the great and almighty nazis? Off to jail with you!" I can totally see Hitler supporting that.
I admire him for risking going to jail for this. It'll probably cast more light on this absurd situation. I, myself, am not brave enough, and would have paid the fine.
My boyfriend and I are 5 yrs apart but the difference is that I'm 22 and he is 27. While he has more time lived than I do, we both have quite a bit of life experience under our belt. We also can agree on what our future goals are. A child can't think that far realistically and shouldn't be in a relationship with someone who is or has transitioned into the adult phase of their life where their expectations and goals will change.
Not the case for every individual on this planet ya know? And expectations on what? Be more specific. Your expectations can change at literally any point in time. As long as the two are happy together and there is no abuse etc. going on it is fine and that goes for any so called couple out there.
Naglfar94 you know we are talking about pedophilia being wrong, right? Children dont know what to expect from the adult world and adult relationships. They might have varying degrees of experiences but unless they are super developed orphans that have had to survive the big bad world on their own I highly doubt they have any idea what to expect and are highly susceptible to being manipulated and abused. It's also a lot different if we are talking about a 16 year old and an 18 year old because both their brains in that case would be similarly developed and they have a bit more similarities in life experience and would therefore still be fairly equal in the relationship. This kid in the story is probably just going through puberty and finding himself and how to be independent from Mom, while the female is finding out how to adult and would have the upper hand in the relationship and would be able to influence this kid a great deal rather than it being a partnership like what 2 people of similar age and experience have or 2 adults would have.
What you are saying does`t make freaking sense in my opinion. and please for the love of all because it is annoying get the terms correct. Pedophilia would be someone 11 or under And that is very extreme. Now back to things teens or to some degree an early teen such as 13. Alright lemme break this up so it is organized. 1.What is it that is so big and so gigantic that it needs this giant amount of experience to have a relationship? Let me break things down a relationship is the seeking of happiness no? A relationship is being with a person you really connect with and you two share love with one another. As long as both love one another and treat one another with respect and are truly happy together that is pretty much that. What more is there? The core aspect is happiness and love. If the two people are happy together hay I am not gonna knock that. Unless you are the type of person who has ridiculous standards and wants from your other then I can see maybe where you are coming from. But most people just want genuine happiness. 2.Manipulation and abuse that one is a tough one but it really depends on the individual you can`t speak for everyone or some kind of majority. It depends on many factors the chances of you being manipulated. If you are someone with mental disabilities of some kind, or have lived a life being sheltered away from everything or not being allowed to see much or absorb much knowledge then yeah sure. But really older people are just as likely to fall prey to being manipulated and abused just as much as a younger person don`t speak like as soon as you hit a certain age you are immune. All it takes is someone good enough at what they do and boom done. There are going to be bad apples out there regardless young or old. Another younger person is just as capable of manipulation as someone older. But really if your intent is to manipulate or abuse someone who is supposed to be your ''significant other'' then you don`t need to be in a relationship at all period. 3.Life experiences okay once again..what is there that needs to be equal again? You are flying over the point love/happiness I could give 2 flying fucks what your life experience is to mine etc. maybe the two people clicked because they as people mix? it goes far deeper than that you don`t know what kind of bond they had,hell they were most likely very good friends and it turned into more like what happens with most all couples. Maybe it was their personalities, maybe they enjoy similar things there are many reasons but most likely they just happened to mix as people,there is something about them both that they each find in one another. It isn`t that hard or difficult to understand. It is just like any other fucking relationship on this planet. The only thing is they have a slight gap in age which isn`t a bad thing. so many people are so stuck up on age these days it is honestly sad. There are many people many out there who likely have partners younger than they or found love with a gap in age. And some of these people are very happy hell some have been together for many years. If the two truly love one another what upper hand would she have? Tell me if these two truly love one another which it seems to be then no one has the upper hand over anyone there. People don`t fall in love to have upper hands over another, people don`t fall in love just to control another person, people don`t fall in love based off of just experiences alone. If that is how you view love and how you seek it then it is none of my business you do you.
Naglfar94 honestly if you dont understand the difference between 2 consenting adults of varying ages and a child and an adult having a relationship then perhaps you should seek counseling. If you are a child dating someone who is an adult or if you are an adult who is romantically involved with a child then please seek professional help. It's okay to be friends with someone who is a child but not romantically involved until the child is an adult. However from the video, they are already romantically involved as they have shown the world them making out.
You don`t need professional help just because you and another person are in love. There really is no freaking difference between someone just because their lover is in a different age bracket than them and this non sense needs to stop. Like I said you do you what you seek in your significant other fine but what you look for or want doesn`t speak for every person on this earth and it damn sure enough doesn`t speak for every couple out there in this world. Like I said there are many, many people world wide who have lovers younger than they and are great together. If you or other people decide to put on shades and look over it because it doesn`t fit into what you think societies standards are then that is on you. So we are done here because neither of us is going to change the others minds.
#freecountdankula the appeal was rejected without even reason other then what seems to be the intimidation of the court. failure to due process, the communication act in the uk is absurd and needs this fight to get them struck down and change for the better of all.
Of course it was rejected. He'll just end up in jail, he should pay the damn fine for his own good, but he won't, more publicity in martyring yourself.
The absurdity is that the prosecutor AND the judge agreed that CONTEXT DOES NOT MATTER! And this creates a rather goofy legal issue because at that point, presenting/reading of much of the evidence its self becomes criminal. Congratulations judge/prosecutor, you're morons.
I will fight day and night for the right of teenagers to have their own relationships, to explore the idea of love and intimacy, WITH PEOPLE THEIR OWN AGE. 13 and 18 are not comparable; even if this 13 year old is "mature for his age" the 18 year old is far more developed and far more equipped to make decisions for herself than the 13 year old, and makes this situation inherently predatory. Middle school-age and college-age. That's the developmental difference we're talking about here. I have to wonder if that mother would feel similarly if it was her 13 year old daughter dating an 18 year old man. Either way, totally fucked.
You can think that way, but you would be wrong! Like i said earlier its based on the culture of the people and where they come from, its a freaking norm, i don't know why ppl think its such a bad thing, there are ppl in other countries who are doing it worse than those two and if they wait few years all this will blow over and be forgotten, you just enjoy ruining ppl's lives because in your moral compass you believe this is wrong and disgusting but you have to look from their perspective, and that wasn't her mom, but the 13 year old kid! I wonder if you have kids and they sneak around and date people who are more older than they're or younger are you teaching them moral values as you automatically assume they're doing something wrong! Arranged marriages is disgusting and morally wrong, compare to the first story!
@@Cyph3rHaxPalm In my culture it a norm doesnt make it any less disgusting and wrong. Just because something is a norm doesnt make it acceptable. In many other countries incestial arranged marriages are a norm. just please dont reproduce
@@Cyph3rHaxPalm alot of stuff rooted in cultures is morally wrong like female/male genital mutilation. I can go on. But I won't . The reason why I'm focusing on this particular event is because it's within my reach it's online,in my country, and I can try to stop the message she's trying to normalize. Sure other things wrong in the world I can advocate for and I do. But this is close enough that I may and everyone else who thinks it's wrong and cause immediate change . And if you wanna argue that my moral values are wrong and my personal opinion that's fine but it won't deny the fact that they align with STATE CONSENT LAWS. So please miss me with that In OtHeR CuLtUrEs because we're talking about the US and I'm not dismissing or ignoring other countries but their norms/laws don't apply here.
Oh, c'mon. If you're just good enough at what you do, you can get away with it, too. Just look at Elvis and Chaplin. So it's not like it's a TOTAL double standard. The bar is just a lot lower for women.
It’s and 18 yr old, which is classified as an adult, with a 13 year old, who probably is still in middle school. That’s pretty bad and disgusting regardless of gender. But that’s just what I think.
I don't really care but I should say that if we area always interested in parallel situations that didn't happen this time then I got one. Would it be okay for a 16 year old technically a child, to date an 18 year old technically an adult?
He is a brave soul to be willing to go to jail over this. He’s not wrong. I’d pay the fine personally. But wow. I’ll be very impressed if he actually follows through with what he says.
Dankula should 100% continue what he's doing. Courts work based on precedent, they often look to what happened in other rulings when deciding similar cases. The precedent this ruling sets is ludicrous and should not stand. I swear Britain is getting closer and closer to actually being V for Vendetta every damn day. Even if he loses and goes to jail he keeps the issue alive and hopefully inspires others to fight on his behalf, it is very much needed.
God I think the whole situation is ludicrous. Even I think the nazi dog thing is a little funny, BECAUSE ITS OBVIOUSLY A JOKE. I can't believe this has gone on like this. It's like the courts are trying to make a statement of some kind...? He doesn't deserve a fine or anything in regards to the video.
cantbeleveitsnotnaru a tidbit, he says along the lines of "I'm gonna have my dog to do worst thing he can do" The worst thing being, a Nazi. Mean, yeah. Context really needs to be figured by the judges. But, I won't say anymore. :P
First of all, thank for the correction. English is not my first language but that is no excuse for error like "tipes" Sorry every one don’t know if I should correct my comment or just leave it be.
I would never presume to tell Markus Meechan (aka CountDankula) what to do in a difficult situation like this, but if he is actually going through with what he said in that video I will immensely respect him and applaud him for his brave and firm stance against censorship and the taking away of his personal freedom of expression. It is important to signal to the courts that this is not okay and that they can‘t just bully people into silence for something as innocuous as a joke video involving a pug doing a nazi salute. Even as a German myself it‘s extremely obvious that this was just satire and no harm was intended or done. Being „offensive“ is not something that should ever be fined. Ridiculous sentencing.
"Maturity is based on experience" uhhhh no. A 13 year old may have been through a lot, but scientifically, their brain literally cannot be as developed as an adult's. The way they process the world around them, form relationships with other people, etc, it's all at a different developmental level. Even small age gaps are huge between teenagers - like, I probably wouldn't date a 16 year old even though I'm barely 18, because I know when I was 16 I was in a completely different place mentally than I am now. Even if there was no sex involved, that child - and I know we all feel grown up at 13 but we aren't, and that's okay, we don't have to be - was being taken advantage of and used by an adult who should have the fucking decency to know better. The fact that his mother agreed with it is disgusting too.
Fredy_the_ Yeti how tf was he not. A kid can't consent to an intimate relationship with an adult even if it's not sexual because again, they aren't on the same level mentally
i hate how people in this comment section are still saying "he's so lucky!" because they're contributing to the problem. saying shit like this makes it seem okay for an 18 year old to be dating a 13 year old. it's not even funny at this point.
Although the laws of consent differ from state to state, he still isn't legal in any state to my knowledge. Typically to consent to up to 3-4 years older, you have to be 14. It is still pedophillia, even if you do claim to be "in love" or whatever.
The charges are a disgusting, Orwellian assassination of free speech, and I respect Count Dankula for giving potentially years of his life in prison to stand up for freedom and against tyrannical government rulings.
I agreed that he should not have been charged, but it is idiotic for him to go to jail. Pay the 800 quid and continue to fight the fight... He will likely just be forgotten if he ends up behind bars. There will be the next sensational story to catch everyone's attention... Pay the fine, stay free, and fight for change
There isn't, strictly speaking, any guarantee of 'Freedom of Speech' in the UK. Not in the same way as in the US. The US has a codified and written constitution, the first amendment of which protects 'freedom of expression'. The UK has very 'loose' protections around freedom of expression that favour protection against the misuse of such rather than the protection of such freedom
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Philip DeFranco Thank you for the information sir.
"My brain was hacked"
This is so helpful
Philip DeFranco that first story is just so creepy, and I hate when people try to point to other horrible situations to divert attention from their own situation 🙄
Thank you Phil 💕 you rock
A 13-year-old boy is a *boy.* An 18-year-old young woman is a young *woman.* That's absolutely unacceptable. That child cannot consent.
still legal in many Mexican states
Gordon Wilkinson Still doesn’t make it right.
Well. She is right about one thing. Age does not determine maturity because if it did she (being 18 years old) would have not posted that video making herself look like a moron.
haha! Good point
CCKillbilly shes 18? No way, Im 19 and no one I know is near that low in their level of logic and reasoning.
Explosive Mayhem facto bro
maturity ≠ intelligence
"What are you in prison for?"
"I murdered someone. You?"
"I made a joke."
*scooches all the way to the other wall**
André Salazar brilliant
Did we all just read that in a Scottish accent?
André Salazar FBI OPEN UP
"littering"
To respond to the 13 and 18 year old story: my husband is 4 years older than me. I’m 22, so our maturity levels are similar and we are in similar parts of our life. Had I met him when I was 13 (him 17) it would be so wrong. So so incredibly wrong. At 13, I was calling my mom “mommy,” I had my first period, I was scared to swear, I had a Wii themed birthday party! Why would a 17 year old almost man want to be with a child like that? Sick.
Ang it was. My neighbor made me a Wii cake, had Little Caesar’s pizza, and it was centered around Guitar Hero (my fav game at the time.) We has bean bag chairs and my friend decided to poke a hole in both of them and we ended up throwing the little beans at each other. Pretty memorable. This was 10 years ago. I was content with having my nails and toes painted at a salon (just polish) and my new flip phone. People still talk about my birthday party tbh
This is what I was thinking. What 17 year old wants to play freeze tag?!
I agree 100% but I’m almost 19 and I still call my mom “mommy.” 😂 I don’t think I’ll ever get out of that habit.
Too be honest there's a reason as to why guys make the stereotypical "Nice" and "Wish I had been in his shoes," comments. Even in the face of those yelling "double standards" I think that there is this phenomenon that society has recognized but chooses to ignores that communicates that guys simply do not feel as victomized when engaged in this type of relationship between them as a teenager and another adult. Even with that said I highly value the merets of mantaining and enforcing an equal age of consent between the sexes.
I simply can not think to see this lady as equal to a guy who could and would be more likely to use whatever leverage he can in order to ensure the existence of some sort of relationship between him and a teenager.
It doesn't do my conscious well to see this lady to be treated by that false equivalent. It really doesn't...
I’m 13 atm I wish I could’ve gone to your party lol
"maturity isn't based on age"
Ariadna Juarez is right. She's way too immature for how old she is.
Exactly my thoughts haha.
She's 18...
she has the maturity of a 13 year old so I see why they like each other.
Lulz rekt
Right? I at first didn't see the problem because I thought she was like 15.
I have a family member who “dated” a 14 year old when he was 19......yeah, he went to jail. Find him on the registry. This girl is being protected by double standards when the child should be the one protected from a predator.
Yknow an old wise man once told me "Age aint nothing but a number"
Arguably that "old wise man" was Kevin Spacey but lets not focus on who said what here guys?
Nice
Kers Pertt 😂 😂 😂
*_"Age is just a number..."_*
OK.
Jail is just a room.
Kers Pertt Kers Pertt A wise man once told me that its alright to have relationship that may be questionable but if you really like that person it doesnt matter.
Granted that man was Harvey Weinstein, but I try not to judge.
Unless you have your "most peaceful religion in the world card"...your going to hell.....
lol you know you're in the wrong when you stoop down to saying "there are people dying, and you're worried about my crimes"
LMAO
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Kim, there are people dying.
“He’s mature for his age” is a very pedo thing to say
That's partly how they groom them
Fablion OwO so U think his mum's a pedo? Idiot they are both teenagers he's 13 she's 18 not really that strange
I knew I had heard that before!
i think the mum was making sure nothing bad was happening. she may have been the one to tell them to wait. Also the main fault here is probably that they posted about it
Marnie Sweet sooo... if it was an 18 year old guy and a 13 year old girl how would you react? would you consider him a pedo
If you had to ask a lawyer about your relationship, maybe you shouldn't be starting it.
I feel like it’s the best thing to do in that case
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Exactly what I thought
You can get married in Texas at fourteen with a court order btw
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That girl is in the wrong. If this was a man who was kissing on a 13 year old girl HE WOULD BE MAULED ALIVE.
Sammie Tuzday thank You!!! Lovely to read an educated females comment on this as most have defended her from what I've read on here. Equality means equal on everything... both positive and negative. Reading your comment has made me A LOT LESS angry tbh lol. Thank you.
Juan D. M. Just kiss you homies goodnight
Bigot
THANK YOU! I have been waiting to see this comment. No one else here is talking about how people would have reacted if a man did this. We live in a world with such high double standards that people aren't even talking about them. To see someone finally bring it up makes me so happy I feel the veins in my head pounding and I might have an aneurysm.
are you serious Jordan? Loads of people are talking about 'if it was a man'. What comments are you reading?
It's so sexist because people expect males (of any age) to be interested in a sexual relationship with an attractive woman and women are often regarded as sexually passive. It's disturbing that some people can't see a child predator because that predator is a young and pretty woman. At 13 no matter how 'mature' you are you should not be in a sexual relationship, especially not with an adult. That poor boy is not being protected.
dylan I dunno. I think sometimes the issue is gray especially when it's the woman who's older. Like, what are we really talking about here? Two dumb kids who think they're in love courting/dating/kissing? What's the long term psychological damage you fear the 13-year-old will experience?
ApartmentViews see that's sexism right there "especially when the woman is older". 13 year olds don't have the life experience, cognitive abilities or stability to cocent to an adult sexual relationship. Young teens are not mature enough to be in that situation, they can be easily taken advantage of and should be allowed to be kids. How would you feel if you had a 13 year old daughter that some 18 year old was putting in sexual situations? Don't defend sexual predators.
ApartmentViews and if you don't think being sexualised and put in inappropriate situations by someone far older, who should know better, is psychologically damaging then I implore you to think and do some research.
i’ve seen plenty of older men responding saying how this isn’t a crime and how he’s lucky to be with her... like wtf
The age difference is weird but she's not an adult. They're both teenagers. At 18 she is still a teenager. She even sounds like a 15/16 year old, she doesn't seem mature at all so I don't think she's a predator.
It still baffles me that they're charging someone for racism, when what he did made fun of racists, as "the worst thing ever" would be a "Nazi."
It just...
baffles me.
That's what makes the conviction so infuriating - it's literally due to a lack of comprehension of the joke.
the thing is it shouldnt matter how he made the nazis look, he should be allowed to make a video praising nazis and shouldnt be jailed for it, because thats what free speech is...
It's just especially ridiculous because the law may be unjust, but he didn't even break the law. More than just the principle of free speech is being ignored, the entire legal process is.
Don't forget, this isn't America. The UK doesn't have a First Amendment right to free speech.
@Max Lennon If a country claims to be a free country it should have basic human rights like freedom of speech, pretty sad
"Age is just a number."
"You know what else is just a number?"
"What?"
"25 to life."
Bible Illustrated bruh she a chick 2 weeks probation
... or that :-D
*theres not just numbers in that last sentence*
Okay, "25 to X", where X is your age at death. There. :-D
25 is just a number. Life is words n stuffs.
If an 18 year old man was dating a 13 year old girl they would throw him to the wolves. 🤷🏽♀️
Suhanna De Silva i had a cousin who went out with an 16 yr old when he was 21 yrs old. I thought that was weird af
Jose Cuevas I think we all knew someone like that as teens and yes that shit was super weird and creepy
Yeah, men and women are treated differently in society. Women are protected like this in many other ways. There's a physical power imbalance.
Or he would run for senate like Roy Moore
BlindEagle Ace
In Europe? You mean the third world nations the EU didn't want? South America lol? When you go to Mexico the first thing you will see is small tiny children begging, and trying to sell things, sometimes selling themselves. This is actually illegal due to UN regulations, but it absolutely does happen anyway. However, I don't think that many people who see that think, "Mexico is awesome, I want my kids to grow up this way too, because I love and care about them so much, and this childhood is clearly fantastic." There are countries where abuse, war, poverty and corruption are very common place- and every person who lives in these countries, seems desperate to immigrate to a country with rules and standards like the USA. Woman actually mature earlier than men do, so this is actually worse than a 13 year old girl and an 18 year old guy. I think that most 25 year old guys, if they spend time with 13 year old boys, would begin to understand why this is so wrong. 13 year old boys are very keen to do things that will hurt and damage them- that is why they need parents who actually care about them.
In her defense, her intellect is probably closer to 13 than 18.
savage 😂😂
Billy Idol nah she’s just manipulative
Yeah, I was half expecting her to say "age is not a real representation of maturity" (arguable, but not in the way she seems to think it is, I'd suggest, and even so, it's a pretty good guideline) and then follow it up with "I'm a complete idiot and have the mental capacity of a nine year old".
😂😂😂True
Oh that's why the original vid had more likes than dislikes
Let's be real folks if the roles were reversed 18 year old man with 13 year old girl best believe the dude would have been put to jail REAL QUICK!!
then a lot of seniors at my school would've been jailed for dating freshman girls but....
Laura that's still gross...
+Laura lol that's actually true. In school a lot of males 'date down' when it comes to age and females 'date up'. Granted its usually just a school year or two and not *5 years* but it is a trend that happens.
+Jade C I know....but they weren't put jail now were they?
I knew a 16 y/o guy who dated a 12 y/o girl and he wasn't in jail bc "no sex"
Now if an 18yo man was with a 13 yo would we even be having this conversation. Double standards much
It happened @dr phikks channel
If he was well known, and in my opinion, it would definitely be more talked about. But speaking from experience (as I was once a 13 year old girl lol) there were TONS and TONS of 17, 18, 19 and 20 year old dudes who were ALWAYS trying to hook up with me and my friends when we were 12, 13 and 14. I even had some friend, when we were 13, dating 19 year old dudes. No one really cared or did anything about it.
Just FYI I'm not saying this is okay. It's 100% not okay. But generally speaking, 18, 19 and 20 year old dudes get away with dating 13 year old girls ALL THE TIME. We don't hear about it because it's usually seen as some cultural normal in whatever area they live in. I know where I'm from it wasn't unusual for older men to be with young teenagers.
lol but as soon as the girl is 18 and the man is 63 it is more accepted than the other way around.
MarigoldWitch Yeah, as I understand it there’s even a thing for girls 14-16 of “my boyfriend’s in UNIVERSITY.” with the implication that this means the girl is cool.
The Squished, yep! And all I thought was like... you're bf isn't cool he's a creep lol.
If a man made any of the same claims Ariadna Juarez made they would be getting crucified.
WOW I commented before i saw the clip of her making out with the kid. How is she not a pedo?
You're absolutely right.
Alex Silverstein tru
CHRIS HANSEN WHERE ARE YOU?
I kinda wish some guy would PRETEND to do this, just to see how people would react.
When in doubt, reverse the roles. If he's 18 and she's 13 and it's creepy, then the same applies when she's 18 and he's 13. If you see something wrong with one, but the other is okay, you have a double standard.
Spicy Tuna Not that creepy either way. They are both teens.
but she's NOT a guy. Girls mature earlier than boys, which makes her even older. When I was young girls always dated guys a couple of years OLDER. Not usually five, that's a bit far, but two or three was normal.
When in doubt, everyone say this exact same comment.
I'm, really getting tired of this comment. I feel the need to tell everyone that says "If a man did it" to please stop saying it. The first 100 people that said it thought they got the point across.
lol Jordan. You noticed huh? Yeah, I think we get it!
How could you not notice. Every other comment is the same thing "If a man did it he would be crucified, lynched, mauled to death, publicly ruined." it's the same comment over and over.
Just imagine if there was a 18 year old boy “dating” a 13 year old girl. He would be instantly be known as a sexual predator and wanted to be burned at stake by most people. What a world
Exactly, that ridiculous and shouldn't happen either
That’s true but I see it as boys are a lot sexually driven then girls. I’m not saying it’s right at all, I think it’s so wrong, but I can where she thinks it’s okay and where she is coming from. Still think it’s creepy though. Like 13, are your serious?
SJ Cuber That would not happen. You’re living in a fantasy world where everyone hates men. That world doesn’t exist.
Lauren Aumack that’s a lie. Girls are just as sexual as boys. They are just socialized differently. This girl is a predator.
@@saltoftheegg what World are you living on?
As someone who used to be a young female (12 years old) who attracted older males (18 to 21+) when I was younger I used to never think twice about older males that I found attractive finding me attractive. I had the same mindset if I was mature, there’s nothing wrong with these men, I just act and look older than I am. As I’ve gotten older (now 20) I look back at those men, some who still try and contact me and I am disgusted by them. I’m disgusted that as a child I didn’t see the predators and I just saw it as men being nice to me, or men finding me attractive. But I was a CHILD. it didn’t matter how smart or mature I was, I was barely in middle school, being hit on and in some cases dating men who lived on their own and were GROWN ADULTS. As someone who has younger siblings, and kids I’m horrified and disgusted at how hard it is to convince people that someone who is 12,13 that dating anyone who is considered a legal adult is WRONG. Someone who is an ADULT shouldn’t have an attraction to a CHILD. You shouldn’t even be putting yourself in the position to meet or speak with children that young, let alone act on any attraction you have. You’re an adult, taking advantage of a child who doesn’t see the harsh reality of it, but only sees the “kindness” or “love” they feel from the ADULT.
Count Dankula being willing to go to jail is incredibly honorable. I wouldn't do that if I was in his shoes, because I'm a sissy, but he is absolutely amazing for making this as big of a deal as it should be and standing up for everyone's right to free speech.
Yea in terms of this case he's being exemplary, but I followed him on twitter and came to regret it very quickly... he's not nearly as 'not-nazi' as he claims in court
+Drak FuckYouGoogle
What does that even mean? You implying he is a nazi?
Drak FuckYouGoogle he is a troll, he is not a Nazi, nor a communist. He's like a pacifist center, I won't call him libertarian, because he never said it, but he act like one.
@@Lizzieeeeeeee I have seen his videos and I am not sure what you are talking about. Care to list examples?
Count Dankula is fighting for a cause bigger then himself and we need to support him, he did nothing wrong
Totally 100%. This shit matters. And the man is absolutely correct.
MrJj295 na this video is satire but he’s a piece of shit anyways so I’m happy to see him get some karma
Charlie Hustle
Your comment offends me. Looks like you're going to go to jail for a hate crime.
Charlie Hustle Havent actually checked his content lol so I have to ask, what makes you say he's a piece of shit? What's his regular content like and is it rly that bad?
Kurosora Ryuga he didn't exactly say that..
I’m Jewish and nazis disgust me, but I DO NOT think that ANYONE should go to jail for an offensive video. I am a strong advocate of free speech and I believe that if someone has a opposing opinion we should let them talk. This law disturbs me on a deep level.
Aaron Cabbage And the overwhelming majority of Jews who knew of the Dankula case were also in support of Dankula and his right to freedom of speech. The only people who saw offence in the joke video were the police and the court.
#WasntEvenOffensive .... thu the UK law p much says "anything you say can be taken out of context to jail you if we can be arsed....." ...sooo UK is a failed state....kek
The worst part is, no one actually claimed this video was offensive. The police decided this for themselves without a single complaint, and then lied about there being complaints, which was then revealed to be a lie during court proceedings.
Essentially, this wasn't an offensive video, the police just DECIDED it was, and the judge convicted him, not even taking it to a jury.
Devil8355 - We were. Because it wasn't offensive. That video was funny. Take a fucking joke. It's how we compensate.
The most fucked up part is that it was obviously satire, just a joke, so its not like he was actually a nazi.
The fact of the matter is, this is an 18-year-old who is considered an adult nationwide and at 17 an adult in the state of Texas. This is an adult dating a 13-year old who is still in middle school. Don't try to pass it off as Disney love when the legality of the situation is morally repugnant. Call it what it is, stop the pity party and date someone your own age. The mother defending the "relationship" is enabling the situation. I'm surprised she is somehow okay with this. What kind of parent defends this? If she had a daughter (she might but who knows) would she have the same reaction if it was her 13-year-old daughter dating an 18-year-old guy? If not, then why defend these two as "young love."
Barbossa agree!!
@KKK Revolution - One is an adult and one is still a child. There is a huge difference.
If this was a dude, he would be in jail.
Not in all cases. The police in my local area acted like I was a consenting adult at 14. The guy was 21. They knew what was going on but did nothing at all.
Fukai Kokoro you must not live in the usa lmao
One of my friends got pregnant at 15 by her 28 year old boyfriend. Nothing happened.
When I was 13 I was assaulted by an 18 year old and nothing happened to him. I am in California and I'm disabled in a wheelchair. So you would think he would have been punished at all but nope and he has gone on to do things to other young girls. He was finally sent to prison after the 3rd time that I know of.
The boy literally hasn’t even gone through puberty! They need to stop seeing each other. And she needs to talk to the police
Did you see how tall he was? If he hasn't hit puberty yet he's going to be huge.
Rusty LeAnn
Um, puberty for men can begin as soon as the age of 9. That being said, if sexual relations were involved between these two, there isn't a place on earth that will fulfill what must be done to that bitch.
You gotta chill out. You don’t know these people
I had a full beard at 13 to say hes not even gone through puberty isn't necessarily true, some people experience their "puberty" at different ages depending on genetics and environmental factors. Puberty is defined as "the period during which adolescents reach sexual maturity and become capable of reproduction" If you judge it by definition a young girl can go through puberty as soon as 8 years old and 9 y/o with boys but in general most people generally go through early stages of puberty around age 10. I don't think its the end of the world if two young adults date I.e two 17+ y/o people, and I may not think it is great that a 18 and 13 y/o date. I personally would be against any of my future kids dating a 17+ y/o at 13. But things like this happen and there is in some states or even cities "Romeo and Juliet laws" that protect such relationships if they either started years before one became a legal adult or they were close friends growing up and that lead to a relationship.
the police? what are they gonna do? bring blankets and coco
Thank you for talking about the Count Dankula situation. The whole thing confounds me in its bizarre absurdity. It’s like the judge has is out specifically for him. He shouldn’t even have to pay a fine, as he did nothing wrong.
In a world where rapist and murderers can get appeals, how can someone making a Nazi joke (one that casts nazi’s in a negative light) be denied appeal and go to jail? All because some stubborn old judge didn’t get the joke? Where is the justice?
Left-Wing World... Doesn't make sense.
Unfortunately, at the heart of all Leftist ideology is Totalitarianism.
Yeah fucken hell this is crazy, losing hope for humanity
He doesn't fit the narrative, therefore he isn't entitled to due process apparently.
Because apparently Scottish lawmakers are protecting Nazi's. HOW DARE HE INSULT THE NAZI'S!
Complete abuse of power. It's angers me so much I can barely stand to read updates on the situation.
As a Jewish person, I have to say, I find the Nazi Pug video absolutely, unconscionably, and undeniably hilarious. I am completely offended... by the attempts of the UK officials to ruin this guy's life, when the only appropriate reaction is to take him out for a beer.
same
I am offended by any humor massively and since I think that the public couldn't handle it I will censor it.
Scotland*
Romina Constenla The UK government is wholly comitted to the concept of political correctness which means the treason to all of one's values and the denial of reality in order to pander to perceived oppressed groups in order to look like a virtuous defender of the downtrodden.
Cement Cement dude what a buzz kill, let the man be free. We all make edgey jokes from time to time.
In regards to Ariadna,
Reverse the genders.
Tell me it’s still not weird.
Exactly. I saw a thread on Twitter about 18 yo guys trying to date 14 yo girls and most people were VERY AGAINST it
see it all the time . Freshman girl, senior dude . Not all that weird IMO
Tyler Parziale l^ yeah freshman senior is a pretty common media trope ...
Tyler Parziale
Yeah when i was in high school it was the norm, idk when everyone got so sensitive, must be all the social media.
You're all under the assumption the "18 yr old" is trying to date a "14 yr old". What if it was the other way around? Hmmmmmmm, changes context
Even if she was a year younger or he was one year older they still don't qualify for Texas' Romeo and Juliet law. That law states "Anyone between the ages of 14 and 17 can legally engage in consensual sexual acts with someone within three years of their age, so as long as the other party is at least 14 years old."
I know she said she wasn't having sexual relations with the child but I feel like it was going to get to that point if it hasn't happened already. She's 18, she needs to date people around her age, not 5 years younger then her.
she "needs" to" because of the law.
but you're ignoring the arguement which is that the law is stupid as fuck and arbitrary. it's based on our current culture. that's it
+Mark Blaze
I hope you don't have kids for their sake.
Corbin Brier is that law only in Texas?
No, Romeo and Juliet laws are in every state, however they do vary slightly from state to state.
Corbin Brier thnx 4 da info
Dude the male-female double standard is too real. Where's Chris Hansen with the chat log when you need him?
i remember a episode where a guy around her age was dating a girl around the boys age
Well we would need a chat log that proves guilt first
Where's the double standard tho? Everyone here assuming people would have a difference of opinions of the genders were switched, but there's no evidence of that. Show me an equivalent situation with the genders reversed and my opinion would be the same.
mossara okay guys I know there are strong opinions here but if you resort to name calling it just ruins your point it shows you don't care about the person.
"there IS NOT a double standard, but I think we should put one into law."
Equality under the law is apparently not a thing to you... ok.
No matter what their definition "dating" is, or how "legal" it was, if she was male, she would've already been charged with statutory rape.
Not if they really did not have sex or oral sex depending on the state
Tell that to 69
Para Momal "if she was male".
LoL
Not likely, if they have parental permission there is really nothing the law can do. As the parents are the ones who file the charges and his mother is obviously okay with them being together.
Agreed
I wish the very best of luck to Marcus. He is carrying the torch of free speech for us all.
A couple of things about the first story
1: I was so uncomfortable that I wanted it to end already
2: this chick is attractive. She can have most guys she wants and she decides to be with a 13 year old?!!
3: hebephilia is becoming normalised in our society and it's freaking scary
well shes sick in the head her being attractive doesn't negate that
People like Ms. Juarez are manipulative and know someone that age will worship the ground they walk on...not to mention those in her own age group probably won't put up with her crap!
@chuckdsall-newclassictvclu4264 went to school with her. You are correct. Basically she was one of those fancy girls in high-school all high an mighty, very annoying still piss me off she's not behind bars
*Age is just a number*
*Jail's just a room*
How about *Gender is just a Social Construct* yep, I'm comparing age and gays. Rebuttal me!
Oddly Even omg 😂 first of all, your gender is not your sexuality so if you are suggesting that people who challenge gender norms are "gay" you are very confused about how gender and sexuality relate to eachother, and therefore you have no place debating on such topics. Secondly, comparing a case of an adult innapropriately pursuing a minor to consenting gay adults OR a person identifying as transgender (whichever you were confusingly meaning to refer to) is ludicrous and very offensive. Do some research, and grow up, dumbass.
Bubbly Vegan
Sadly...
Edit: okay so after a bunch of thinking, here's what I'm going through in my head. Correct anything you need to.
I WOULD like to know more, it's more so opinionated though so it doesn't matter if comes from the internet or you.
Gender neutral relationships were banned by the justice system... So why is is the Age Gap a bother? I'm thinking more from a broader term, why is that a problem? I'm not promoting some weird uprising in Age Gap relationships, but what couldn't separate gender neutral relationships is the relationship THEY HAD between each other. Maybe teens are becoming more aware because of the social and internet happenings. Are they that delusional? Ask them yourself, they're human. I'm pointing out that young people may not need to be stereotypicalized because they're changing this generation. And people are one tracked mind about it being a pedophilic situation. And I'm speaking broader terms now at this point.
But they are totally "illegaly smooshing booties" together though since the boy is an instgram star and is 13... I agree on that
:P
Cwizzo Age is just a number... so is a prison sentence
Just a room with a gay roommate* lol 😂
I always hope when dankula is in the news that we’ll finally have some common sense. Unfortunately it always just makes me angry.
The guys video is in absolutely no way racist
The Justice system in the UK is so fucked its hard to even describe. Its Orwellian and even Orwell didn't think of some of the crap they're doing now.
MrSplendid AND it's hilarious
And even if it WAS racist, that shouldn't be illegal!
Guess who makes laws against people with the "wrong" opinions? NAZIS!
Zach Sweet ikr guy might be going to jail over teaching a dog something, multiple people where I live have been caught stealing etc and they just get a slap on the wrist even tho it’s like the tenth time they’ve been caught 😂
The dog must be in court to make his testimony of what happened, the system of "justice" in England is a fraud.
I respect the fact that Dankula is willing to go to jail over all of this. He's standing up for freedom of speech which is something we all deserve. I'm glad someone is fighting for it in a world where it seems to only (and still not completely) exist in the USA
And if he will not, then all will never... All will only submit without question.
If you're not willing to die for your beliefs than you don't believe enough
Fredy_the_Yeti, not all beliefs lol, I mean I believe that walks on the beach are underrated but I wont die for that belief haha
CD Arthurkins, no he's on about that guy that stood against Bill C-16 which threatened how people in Canada used language itself, all because some people are too sensitive
Josh M, okay but Phil D isn't doing anything wrong? Dankula isn't a racist lmao. Phil is defending this guy because some people have painted him as a racist and nazi for simply telling a joke
Shouldn't it be the Pug going to jail?
Probably, Tomasz.
The dog needs to check it's canine privilege
A dog can't/doesn't own money, so it would be pointless. Courts and laws only care about money.
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That binary, tho 😂
Good god, Dankula did nothing wrong. A distasteful joke should not be illegal! Keep standing up to a bad system, Dankula. Shine light on it until it goes away.
He did do something wrong. Not illegal but bad
If you have to consult a lawyer about your relationship, you shouldn't be in that relationship.
Lucky Ducky Exactly
Unless it’s 10 years ago and you’re ghey
Lucky Ducky Damnit! Me and my dog will never be happy! (obviously joking to those who don't understand sarcasm)
Shit. I have to tell my gay time traveler buddies before its too late.
Or wait, maybe they already know?
Lucky Ducky 😂
I’m gonna put this as simple as possible for all to understand... being offensive is NOT a crime, if this is not allowed, ALL of us should be fined at some point or other.
why shouldn't it be in some cases. slurs, attack at ones dignity I mean
myfantasticteaparty Because that's literally censoring what someone can say. The big boys up above decide what you can and can't say.
Sorry if I'm sounding like I'm ranting. I don't support using slurs, they're unnecessary and gross, but the censorship of free speech is not necessary.
myfantasticteaparty because that can then very easily be used to silence any criticism. Just imagine it being illegal to criticize the Catholic Church...
the amount of offensive jokes i have locked and loaded, should get my a life sentence XD
if being offensive was a crime i'd be in jail permanently lol
Age gaps almost seem to get smaller as both parties age. For example a 35 and a 30 year old dating; perfectly normal, 18 and 23; eh, I mean I would go for someone closer to my age but you do you, 13 and 18; ummm no, 10 and 15; wtf. The reason for this is the emotional maturity level of both parties. The emotional maturity level of a 30 and 35 year old is basically the exact same, but the emotional development from 10 to 15 or 13 to 18 is huge.
Mav Man i get that and i would be against it but what if the parents of both people were ok with it? Do they have the right maturity level to decide if this age difference matters to them? Or is it still wrong?
but Mav..... many people never develop emotional maturity, you must realize this. plenty of people are immature their whole lives.... you do not know the maturity level of these kids relationship, nor do you know the depths, leave em alone. who is the victim here, you?
Mav Man "you do you" Mavs response to pedophillia
How can you say that when you don't even know them?
They did nothing legally or morally wrong, and due to the back lash they can just wait until he's 17 to avoid people giving a shit. Like she said, they didn't have any sexual relations, so really them dating can't be different than adults who are married who are 15 years apart sometimes.
Miguel Maldonado you don't know the parents of these kids. You don't know the relationship the parents had with the kids or how they were raised. Just because a parent says so doesn't make it moral or right. After all parents are also human and make mistakes and they were once children that may have been raised in a not so ideal way and then raised their kids simmilarly. So to me, the parents say is irrelevant because we don't know the parents or how they treat the children.
3 years, just for a stupid joke
.....man, this system is just plain stupid
Geo Izumiya police state
Eric Clanton, the Berkeley "Bike Lock" attacker just got 3 years probation, for basically attempted murder.
Geo Izumiya are you questioning the Government you better say sorry or of to the gulag
The fact that the muslim grooming gangs had a gag order on it while police arrest people for "islamophobic" tweets
The UK is a authoritarian police state.
Tim Evans no we fully understand why the N word causes so much offence its just we dont care because we have other words for people of colour we want to racially offend. In Europe it is ILLEGAL to be or associate with Nazi's and you can be arrested for it, its not our take on racism he have middle eastern people for that. The UK allows no freedoms even in our schools they teach you to never question the rules and laws even if they dont make sense
I’m glad Phil is talking about Ariadna because this is so unbelievably inappropriate for an adult to be this “close” to a 13 year old. Like someone else said, if the roles were reversed, the adult would have been lynched
I don't even think this is the case, but I guess it's country dependant. I am a male that was in a rationship for 5 years with a girl 6 years older then me. We started dating when I was 13 and broke it off when I was 19. (So 19-25 for her) and to be honest, I've seen it reversed too and nobody cares sufficiently. It's obvious when one cannot make a decision and cannot take action when the law for under 18 should apply and when it shouldn't. And I believe what she was trying to explain is that they are not dating at the moment, they did not have sex and they no longer date only because of the public.
who cares? you are making the 13 years old into a victim when he obviously isnt. he is not being forced into doing it.
if the kid is okay, the parents are okay, is it realy that weird that justifies all this outrage? why would you get involved in a situation that has nothing to do with you and isnt harming anyone?
missartist123 yeah it would be an episode of To Catch A Predator.
I get the concept that when you're an adult that a 5 year age difference isn't a big deal, but I think I would find it creepy to have romantic feelings for someone in middle school when I'm old enough to vote. Even if there's no sex involved, just eww.
what if he has never acted his age xd??
For Count Dankula's rejected appeal and him going to court on it, I can understand why you could be torn on it. But the key thing about appealing this and refusing to submit to the court is fighting to set a precedent. The precedent currently stands at "making an offensive video mocking Nazis with a dog warrants severe disciplinary action." The next time somebody makes a video of a goose-stepping zucchini or sig heiling hedgehog, a prosecutor can point at Dankula's case and say "the precedent has been set, the ruling against Dankula streamlines a ruling against others who make similar media."
However, by fighting the ruling every step of the way and refusing in every feasible way to submit to the court's ruling, Dankula is preventing this case from being precedent for future equally bullshit prosecutions. 800 quid might seem like very little in comparison to years in prison, but accepting that ruling is a very grave consequence for the rights and creative freedom of all content creators in the nation. Dankula knows this, and he is doing everything he can to not become the precedent that allows that to happen.
vest816: It's very interesting to see people talking at length about a case they don't understand. How can you talk with such certainty when you don't even know what he was actually sentenced for?
Firstly, it doesn't set a precedent. It actually says in the filing by the judge that the case does not set a precedent. It's a single isolated incident. Secondly, why do people think the guy was sentenced for actually making a dog do a Nazi salute? (I can tell you why: misrepresentation by the media to sell a story). He was sentenced for the 'gas the jews' bit and how he said the phrase repeatedly.
What people don't seem to realise is that this is a really small court case. He did something wrong, but only enough to warrant a moderate fine.
tomato he would not be going to prison for the video but for refusing to pay the fine
+JamEngulfer That doesn't make it any more justifiable. Just the words 'gas the jews' completely removed from context should not be criminalized. There is a difference between saying 'gas the jews' as a command to a crowd of nazis and saying 'gas the jews' in a comedy video in a non-serious context. One is an actual incitement to violence, the other is just an outrageous part of a JOKE. You can say you don't like the joke, you can say you are offended by the joke, but that does not make it criminal.
I am *disgusted.* This is the second time that I have heard the word, "Maturity" used as a defence when a pedophilic/hebephilic female has gotten involved with an underaged boy.
A woman in England who was like 28 raped an 11 year old boy. He said no and she forced her body onto him.
The judge said that the ADULT'S immaturity coupled with the child's maturity made them close enough in age for it not to be considered child molestation or something.
She didn't face any jail time as far as I remember.
Even the father of the child said it was a notch in his son's belt. He dated the woman who raped his son.
I am just angered. It's sick when older men target children and it is just as sick when a woman targets a child.
It's just really horrible that a woman can get away with forcing herself on young boy.
Does is not count as pedophilia if she is 17 and he is 13?
In the UK is not legally considered rape when it happens to a boy or man.
It's not really fair to call her a pedo/hebe. It would be if we knew she was attracted ONLY or PERSISTENTLY attracted to pre/pubescent people (kids). Yeah, it's weird. I certainly don't condone an 18 year old dating a 13 year old, but if the attraction is in spite of age or physical development rather than because of, we can't really label her a pedo/hebe.
DrGrukar McNinjaSixthGun It is disgusting how many people in these comments are trying to justify this
Age is just a number.
And prison is just a room.
gododoof ha
Actually a prison is the complex that holds the rooms, so it's just a building.
Omg 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂 thank u for that comment I rolled
Fire is just hot.
The noose is just a rope.
A billion is just a number, but it's a number that everyone wants. Just goes to show that numbers are pretty fucking important. They can ruin your life or make it better
There should not be the double standard there is. She needs to be accountable for being disgusting.
I bet if it was a 18 year old guy and a 13 old. Everybody would be against it.
If they had sex I would, but a relationship can be a learning experience
emilio lona if she were a guy she would already be in jail
Jay Nigma even better
Of course they would. Because males are only interested in sex.
He must fight it. If he pays it, they win and sets the precedent that the context of a joke doesn't matter and that one can be prosecuted for the "precieved" intention of a damn joke.
If he goes to jail over it, the people will take notice. If he pays it, the nation moves along and nobody gives a shit.
People will probably forget even if it does go to court tbh
#BoycottUK
In the end we all know this dumbass antisemite will just pay the fine.
Nickoli Lion reminder that the judge intentionally ignored the context
fuku What makes you say that?
I'm actually super proud of Dankula for fighting and willing to be a martyr over this.
If he wins an appeal in the long run, there's now precident for future cases that occur with less visible, unknown people.
If he fails and goes to prison there will be just as many in the streets as Tommy Robinson. The state will have to listen to reason at some point.
Never thought I'd be a fan of Dankula.
K B *Sometime in the distant future*
We hereby find the defendant not guilty, citing the "Dankula" act.
O my fucking God, I wish they'd call it that if they ever fix their shit.
They'd probably call it Meechan V Scotland Court or something like that tbh. Which still sounds cool.
For real, I didn't care all that much about the case at the start, but man, he knows that this means more than himself. If he paid the fine and went on with his life, no one would blame him.
He knows it's more important than that, though. And that's inspiring.
Guerrilla Gaming ha! Yes!
Age is just a number? Ok so is 911!!!!
Honestly the fact that his mom is on board with this is just nuts. Talk about blatant negligence
Hello Rose The world has lost its mind. I can't even understand it
Thank you Phil 🙏🏻 The shoutout made my day!!! 💞
reagan wolf so proud of you been watching for a while now
you deserve it! ur video was amazing
Subscribed!
Wishing ya great success.
Ayyy I saw you on a video from that one guy who talks about stuff. Uhhh ya know that guy and he did the video about Josh's Last Words.
reagan wolf just discovered you recently and I was so pleasantly surprised to see phil give you a shout out!! 😊
I am shocked by the amount of people trying to justify a relationship between an 18 year old and a 13 year old
Abby Parke I know right? Every single time I read a comment defending her I feel gross.
People defend killing people... why does this shock you?
"Age of consent should be lowered to 15" the kid she was kissing and potentially having sex with was 13. So even if you think consent should be 15 you should still be against what was going on here.
It’s just because the adult in this case is female. For some reason people think pedophiles are only male. Disgusting.
LYNESTAR age of consnet 15???
Heeeeeellll no.
I like that he's taking a stance but i hope he doesn't go to jail for it.
He's a kid
Phil you should really do a story on the Tokyo Medical University scandal. To condense what went on, they were initially being investigated on claims of corruption due to reports of them adding points to the entrance exam of a government officials son in exchange for favors. While they were researching it they ended up finding something far more alarming. Since at least the year 2000 the TMU has been doctoring the test scores for female applicants. They noticed that there were a growing number of women who were being accepted into the school. So they began to lower the test scores of women to make sure that no more than 30% of accepted applicants would be women. They called it a "necessary evil" because they believed that women would drop out of being doctors when they got married or had children.
Holy shit, yeah Phil please cover this. I literally would not have know about this if I hadn't seen this comment.
If this has any truth to it, it should be covered by many media companies. I hope it's looked into!
"If this has any truth to it"
It is a fact.
They themselves admitted that they changed the results in disfavour of women.
They said that they deducted 20% for all applicants, then added 20 point or more for male applicants as long as they haven't failed at least 4 times.
The result will be lot's of women failing even so they should have gotten a passing grade.
Goddamnit Japan...
No good intention is worth being evil.
The possibility of Marcus going to jail is a disgrace of the legal system. There is no good reason as to why he should be sent to a prison for a very moronic video!
In my opinion, it makes Scotland look bad. Like a joke worse than Dankula's. Ignoring facts and finding a man guilty because they didn't like his media content is absolutely ridiculous. It doesn't even break their own laws. What a shitshow.
Having a shit sense of humor shouldn't mean your freedom of speech is violated.
Epsilon 356 I wouldn't even call it a shit sense of humour. Nazi jokes are a dime a dozen, and he made it for his friend group. He is going to jail for a JOKE.
Oii m8, ya got a liceeense for that thought?
There is a pretty good reason. He didn’t/won’t pay the fine. At that point it stops being about the original offense and starts being “well, we can’t have criminals just not serving sentences”
on the nazi pug story: as a jew, i did not really find the video funny, but i don't think this man should face criminal charges. The whole point of the video is to turn the dog into the most horrible thing this man can imagine, with is a nazi. Yes, he is saying and doing things that out of context sound horrible, but this video is not a hate crime, it is edgy shock factor humor. And while i and others may not find the video funny, i don't think it should be illegal.
edit: hey, this does not have anything to do with the video, but it made me very happy that i could say i'm a jew in a youtube comment section and not get any anti semitic comments, thank you
Maja Haaland true
finally common sense!
I mean, its a joke. It’s similar to the pewdiepie thing, he made jokes about nazi’s which were very funny tbh but people were so blinded by them being offended that they didn’t even consider the context. Its a fucking joke, it has to be offense to someone. Get over it.
Dancula is a free speech hero, i never thought he would take it this far.
I'm proud of Count Dankula's commitment to this case. He is willing to sacrifice his freedom to keep the fight for freedom of speech alive. That's a true hero to me.
i agree entirely. if we arent careful, this shit could come to the states. thoughts and prayers with him
Unfortunately he won't win. Thousands of people a year in the UK accept their punishment for their supposed hate speech charges. Dank will go to jail but it won't fix anything. The UK is too far gone. He should have gotten his passport years ago and fled the country. That's the only way he can be a truly safe citizen. He can come here to the US but it wont be long before we follow the UK's, Canada's and Australia's example. The "free world " as we know it will be done for by 2050
CrimpyGummybear Yeah I agree. In the UK the protection of freedom of speech is appalling. You can get arrested for "hate speech". Hate speech does not exist, it can exist if you want it to, or you can ignore it and move on. That's exactly what happened to dankula, and it's just disgusting. Go watch a TH-camr called "Jonathan pie" and his video on dankula's case. It is so hilarious and brave and raises a few good points.
Am i the only person finding it weird that he trained a dog to be a NAZI for fun. Seems kind of wrong to do such a thing. I mean NAZIs did murder millions of Jews.
I haven't watched the video, but it appears he was trolling Jews on the holocaust. That just isn't right.
CrimpyGummybear same here
Nothing is gonna happen to Arianda. Calling it right now. Not in support of her at all, but just watch, nothing will happen.
The thoties stay winning
It's cause the relationship is older female, younger male not the reverse. I think you're probably right...
Oh yeah, Phil just mentioned that point. Should watch the full thing first...
Raymond Acance A guy I knew in a similar situation to the girl is doing a year and is now a registered SO. News outlets crucified him. I think him going to jail is justified, but why shouldnt she?
Women statistically get weaker sentences for the same crimes that men do, so it wouldn’t be a surprise, specially if it’s someone with her looks to just get a slap on the wrist.
On TH-cam you got people like Keemstar that made a living showing adult youtubers using their influence to pray on young girls mainly but you won’t see her on Drama Alert because, like rape, people just assume males are horny people that will take it from anybody.... fuck that, it’s a minor, and not like a 15 or 16, it’s a 13 year old for fucks sake. That’s a predator with a cute look unlike the weird old man you would typically see on dateline but it shouldn’t influence your opinion. You are judging the action, not the person. The action is sickening and should have law enforcement step in since the parents won’t.
Sorry but there is no such thing as a mature 13 year old in a sexual relationship with a 18 year old. Maturity is about being able to respond reasonably to an environment. A 13 year old wouldn't think of the repercussions to not using protection. They wouldn't be able to respond reasonably to an abusive relationship. Sorry but when it comes to relationships that have a 5 year age gap with teenagers there is no such thing as maturity.
DarkPhoenix 13 year olds learn about condoms and stds and unwanted pregnancies in sex Ed. I don’t have an opinion, just saying.
Ian Jones I’m just pointing out a 13 year old understands the repercussions of not using protection.
DarkPhoenix i agree
It's a contradiction.
If someone over 18 is trying to make advancements towards someone underage and the person who is underage doesn't tell an adult or call the cops then they are not mature.
I hear that lots of 13 year olds are having sex now. My friend told me that's what his uncle said, he told him to get him into character for this movie he is shooting.
i know a lot of 18 year olds and older that can't respond reasonably to an environment as well.
the issue is that age as a line doesnt work when people are all different. it's a bad choice for the law but we go with it because it's easy then instead of looking at the situation we just ask about the age. obviously that's the law but the arguement is about whether such a law should even exist and how flawed it is since people are different at different ages.
Think of all those 20 year olds that are not able to respond to an environment who are being raped!!!!
we should change the age to 20...
people are just too stupid to understand this idea so we just keep it simple. and it's a way to help get people to take more responsibility instead of mooching off their parents. pick an age. any age. 18. okay cool 18.
I mean, 2 years ago he was 11. If he was 16 and she just turned 18 I could kinda see it as ok. But the kid is 5 years younger than her. She's an adult and he just became a teen. This is even worse when you take into account there's a bunch of people advocating for pedophiles. She's 100% in the wrong here.
She's right about maturity levels. For example, her maturity level is a lot lower than her age.
Melinda S probably lower than the 13 year olds age too
I'm surprised people think she's capable of consenting with her mental maturity.
this is a very correct statement.
So why are we treating her like a villain? She is clearly the victim here and that 13 year old boy is abusing here.
Jordan I hope this is just a joke that flew right over my head.
There is no doubt in my mind that this entire situation surrounding an 18-year-old and a 13-year-old is not even worth debating. Their relationship is wrong, and no one, especially not the boys mother, should be condoning it. Anyone who believes otherwise is being FAR too lenient in their judgment.
As for Dankula, as much as it is a slippery slope to challenge the courts like that...he kind of NEEDS to do it. As someone effectively standing on the precipice of what SHOULD BE a major debate, his innocent actions are being treated as a crime simply because someone got a little too touchy over a JOKE. If you had told me a few years ago that we would be seeing people fired for old jokes they made years ago when they were a different person or being charged with a "hate crime" just for making a humorous video...I would have given you a strange look and then walked away slowly while wondering what side of the moon you just came back from. Now I just have to shake my head and sigh that crap like this is even happening.
This is especially funny because of how true it is. I mean almost universally that would be the response if one person told another such about 4-6 years ago.
18 and 18 = good
18 and 17 = fine
18 and 16 = fine
18 and 15 = still legal but weird, but its legal so not my business
18 and 14 = please contact your local police station
19 and 13 = *pedo busted* 25 years to life 🙂
your state laws might be different from mines, so chill
Um 18-17 (some arrested for - but only a loopshole for those who 'already were in one' then turned 18)
Same to the rest. Where do you live, where these are different? But I do agree, that 18-16 probably should be ok in most cases, and most definitely 18-17.
I saw a general solution before to this: basically their idea was take half your age and add 7, that is an acceptable age difference to date when you're in late teens/twenties
personally, when it comes to minors, +/- 2 years shouldn't matter. We all know that kids age slightly different and some are ahead of others by a year or two.
When it comes to 5, 10 or 20 years, please involve psychological professionals and take their advice seriously...
Just Random Nice guide
Only in America
A eighteen year old going around kissing and dating a thirteen year old. My little brother is thirteen years old and I don't understand how a mother could allow this even though she thinks he's mature for his age like what he is STILL a child. I'd never accept any eighteen year old to go near my little brother and kiss him so why does this mother allow it, and the double standards in this situation is simply awful. We all know what everyone would say if it was a eighteen year old guy.
the ultimate irony is if Dankula writes a book about his experience of the lack of freedom of speech and names it "My Struggle"
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Nerdy George Washington it really should
Christian Erickson Oof Dats hot.
Dats real hot.🔥
*Mein Struggle
so much respect for marcus. willing to serve jail time because he truly believes he has done nothing wrong. I hope the courts can finally figure out what the word context means and it doesnt get to that point.
I really hope that he was bluffing about that. I don't think he is but he really doesn't deserve to go to jail for it and I don't think that the court will change their mind. It's a shame.
Patrick Bourne that's the point, he did nothing wrong so he won't willingly pay the fine. The court can either admit they were wrong or face the outcome of sending him to jail
TwixShots That's an optimistic view. The Law is a blunt instrument. Nuance, descretion, compassion and latitude are only present in limited quantities (BTW I initially read your name as 'TwitchThots'. It required a double-take)
i wish it was twitch thots
Ayo um, I hate to be that guy but if the girl was 13 and the guy was 18 he would probably be facing charges.
Alex J. Qeblawi #doublestandard
Alex J. Qeblawi fax
Was just gonna comment the same thing. Good thing here at least is she's getting some backlash.
Charges for what tho?
No, by all means, be that guy because it is true. There is clearly a double standard with this situation that isn’t being addressed by the law.
HUGE shout out to #SandersKennedy that not only [to my knowledge] broke the #AriadnaJuarez story but also for contacting the proper authorities; referenced in the video made by Ariadna and the victims mother at the 3:53 mark. Thank you Sanders Kennedy and any and everyone else that shined a light on the abuse this boy suffered.
if they can be together as long as its not sexual. Theres videos and pictures of them kissing ? Does the law not define that as sexual or???
Count Dankula was hilarious when he tried to train the dog. To me it dehumanizes Nazis and makes their stances stupider than before.
all the actual nazis supporting him don't seem to have taken his videos that way
When anyone makes anything and puts in out there on the internet for so many to see, you will get extremes. there are always people who fail to get a joke or take satire literally, but that doesn't mean you suddenly cant be satirical just because some arsehole doesn't get the it. And in this case it makes them seem even more like idiots backing something thats directly against them.
Tetris_Chemist to be fair I don’t think there are that many Nazis that use his video as their justification in life (and if there are a lot, wouldn’t that only make them look dumber?)
Tetris_Chemist nazis don't support free speech
All the actual nazis supporting him are idiots, that's the point. They completely missed the entire point of the video, if anything proving their stupidity. Making that a means to "prove" that Dankula is a nazi is just dumb.
Not only is telling jokes illegal in Scotland, but your lawyer is breaking the law by defending you.
RIP Europe.
Captain Bly if it's considered "grossly offensive", and shared online, in the UK it is.
Virgil The Scottish legal system is not representative of the legal system in the United Kingdom, nevermind continental Europe.
The irony is that if Dankula does go to jail over this Nazi joke it would be exactly what Hitler would want and unconditionally support. "Make a joke about the great and almighty nazis? Off to jail with you!" I can totally see Hitler supporting that.
Why do American's think Europe is all one place?
Lord Epping I would say it very much is. Look at London, banning butter knives.
I admire him for risking going to jail for this. It'll probably cast more light on this absurd situation. I, myself, am not brave enough, and would have paid the fine.
He just wants to be a Martyr, count dankula is a right wing fascist
Argarck Bullshit.
He's protecting the people who want him in jail with this move too. remind me how fascists feel about opposition again?
He's not brave. He's just an idiot.
Jordan Kohring the people involved in sentencing him should be thrown in jail, unfortunately being an idiot isn't a crime
My boyfriend and I are 5 yrs apart but the difference is that I'm 22 and he is 27. While he has more time lived than I do, we both have quite a bit of life experience under our belt. We also can agree on what our future goals are. A child can't think that far realistically and shouldn't be in a relationship with someone who is or has transitioned into the adult phase of their life where their expectations and goals will change.
Not the case for every individual on this planet ya know? And expectations on what? Be more specific. Your expectations can change at literally any point in time. As long as the two are happy together and there is no abuse etc. going on it is fine and that goes for any so called couple out there.
Naglfar94 you know we are talking about pedophilia being wrong, right? Children dont know what to expect from the adult world and adult relationships. They might have varying degrees of experiences but unless they are super developed orphans that have had to survive the big bad world on their own I highly doubt they have any idea what to expect and are highly susceptible to being manipulated and abused. It's also a lot different if we are talking about a 16 year old and an 18 year old because both their brains in that case would be similarly developed and they have a bit more similarities in life experience and would therefore still be fairly equal in the relationship. This kid in the story is probably just going through puberty and finding himself and how to be independent from Mom, while the female is finding out how to adult and would have the upper hand in the relationship and would be able to influence this kid a great deal rather than it being a partnership like what 2 people of similar age and experience have or 2 adults would have.
What you are saying does`t make freaking sense in my opinion. and please for the love of all because it is annoying get the terms correct. Pedophilia would be someone 11 or under And that is very extreme. Now back to things teens or to some degree an early teen such as 13. Alright lemme break this up so it is organized.
1.What is it that is so big and so gigantic that it needs this giant amount of experience to have a relationship? Let me break things down a relationship is the seeking of happiness no? A relationship is being with a person you really connect with and you two share love with one another. As long as both love one another and treat one another with respect and are truly happy together that is pretty much that. What more is there? The core aspect is happiness and love. If the two people are happy together hay I am not gonna knock that. Unless you are the type of person who has ridiculous standards and wants from your other then I can see maybe where you are coming from. But most people just want genuine happiness.
2.Manipulation and abuse that one is a tough one but it really depends on the individual you can`t speak for everyone or some kind of majority. It depends on many factors the chances of you being manipulated. If you are someone with mental disabilities of some kind, or have lived a life being sheltered away from everything or not being allowed to see much or absorb much knowledge then yeah sure. But really older people are just as likely to fall prey to being manipulated and abused just as much as a younger person don`t speak like as soon as you hit a certain age you are immune. All it takes is someone good enough at what they do and boom done. There are going to be bad apples out there regardless young or old. Another younger person is just as capable of manipulation as someone older. But really if your intent is to manipulate or abuse someone who is supposed to be your ''significant other'' then you don`t need to be in a relationship at all period.
3.Life experiences okay once again..what is there that needs to be equal again? You are flying over the point love/happiness I could give 2 flying fucks what your life experience is to mine etc. maybe the two people clicked because they as people mix? it goes far deeper than that you don`t know what kind of bond they had,hell they were most likely very good friends and it turned into more like what happens with most all couples. Maybe it was their personalities, maybe they enjoy similar things there are many reasons but most likely they just happened to mix as people,there is something about them both that they each find in one another. It isn`t that hard or difficult to understand. It is just like any other fucking relationship on this planet. The only thing is they have a slight gap in age which isn`t a bad thing.
so many people are so stuck up on age these days it is honestly sad. There are many people many out there who likely have partners younger than they or found love with a gap in age. And some of these people are very happy hell some have been together for many years. If the two truly love one another what upper hand would she have? Tell me if these two truly love one another which it seems to be then no one has the upper hand over anyone there.
People don`t fall in love to have upper hands over another, people don`t fall in love just to control another person, people don`t fall in love based off of just experiences alone. If that is how you view love and how you seek it then it is none of my business you do you.
Naglfar94 honestly if you dont understand the difference between 2 consenting adults of varying ages and a child and an adult having a relationship then perhaps you should seek counseling. If you are a child dating someone who is an adult or if you are an adult who is romantically involved with a child then please seek professional help. It's okay to be friends with someone who is a child but not romantically involved until the child is an adult. However from the video, they are already romantically involved as they have shown the world them making out.
You don`t need professional help just because you and another person are in love. There really is no freaking difference between someone just because their lover is in a different age bracket than them and this non sense needs to stop. Like I said you do you what you seek in your significant other fine but what you look for or want doesn`t speak for every person on this earth and it damn sure enough doesn`t speak for every couple out there in this world. Like I said there are many, many people world wide who have lovers younger than they and are great together. If you or other people decide to put on shades and look over it because it doesn`t fit into what you think societies standards are then that is on you.
So we are done here because neither of us is going to change the others minds.
"Age is just a number."
"You know what else is just a number?"
"What?"
"911"
Flippy Sidee ur not wrong
I think thats a letter
I need this as my insta bio 😂
Madison Daniel that sentence gave me cancer 🤕
Flippy Sidee A prison sentence is just a number of years and statutory rape is just some words
Count Dankulla is a strong fighter. I hope this sparks some change
We should all be willing to for what we believe in
He is an idiot.
Lord Escanor He's letting those stupid shits win if he pays the fine
He's getting off lucky. I don't agree with it, but like, it's 800 only. He got like 100k, just pay it.
Luna Tuesday its more about proving a point
#freecountdankula the appeal was rejected without even reason other then what seems to be the intimidation of the court. failure to due process, the communication act in the uk is absurd and needs this fight to get them struck down and change for the better of all.
Of course it was rejected. He'll just end up in jail, he should pay the damn fine for his own good, but he won't, more publicity in martyring yourself.
If he pays it he admits he's guilty.
+The mudpit
If you accept the punishment that the court gives you then you are pleading guilty
The absurdity is that the prosecutor AND the judge agreed that CONTEXT DOES NOT MATTER! And this creates a rather goofy legal issue because at that point, presenting/reading of much of the evidence its self becomes criminal. Congratulations judge/prosecutor, you're morons.
Does the UK technically even have due process laws (in the way that we understand due process in the U.S.)?
I will fight day and night for the right of teenagers to have their own relationships, to explore the idea of love and intimacy, WITH PEOPLE THEIR OWN AGE. 13 and 18 are not comparable; even if this 13 year old is "mature for his age" the 18 year old is far more developed and far more equipped to make decisions for herself than the 13 year old, and makes this situation inherently predatory. Middle school-age and college-age. That's the developmental difference we're talking about here. I have to wonder if that mother would feel similarly if it was her 13 year old daughter dating an 18 year old man. Either way, totally fucked.
You can think that way, but you would be wrong! Like i said earlier its based on the culture of the people and where they come from, its a freaking norm, i don't know why ppl think its such a bad thing, there are ppl in other countries who are doing it worse than those two and if they wait few years all this will blow over and be forgotten, you just enjoy ruining ppl's lives because in your moral compass you believe this is wrong and disgusting but you have to look from their perspective, and that wasn't her mom, but the 13 year old kid! I wonder if you have kids and they sneak around and date people who are more older than they're or younger are you teaching them moral values as you automatically assume they're doing something wrong! Arranged marriages is disgusting and morally wrong, compare to the first story!
@@Cyph3rHaxPalm In my culture it a norm doesnt make it any less disgusting and wrong. Just because something is a norm doesnt make it acceptable. In many other countries incestial arranged marriages are a norm. just please dont reproduce
@@Cyph3rHaxPalm alot of stuff rooted in cultures is morally wrong like female/male genital mutilation. I can go on. But I won't . The reason why I'm focusing on this particular event is because it's within my reach it's online,in my country, and I can try to stop the message she's trying to normalize. Sure other things wrong in the world I can advocate for and I do. But this is close enough that I may and everyone else who thinks it's wrong and cause immediate change . And if you wanna argue that my moral values are wrong and my personal opinion that's fine but it won't deny the fact that they align with STATE CONSENT LAWS. So please miss me with that In OtHeR CuLtUrEs because we're talking about the US and I'm not dismissing or ignoring other countries but their norms/laws don't apply here.
Reverse the roles and he’d be crucified (the first story btw)
Xavier The unironic True
:( yep..
They are both wrong but you can’t deny it’s just different.
Oh, c'mon. If you're just good enough at what you do, you can get away with it, too. Just look at Elvis and Chaplin. So it's not like it's a TOTAL double standard. The bar is just a lot lower for women.
Ander Lindkvist soo it's generally less of an issue for women compared to men? That, by definition, is a double standard...
It’s and 18 yr old, which is classified as an adult, with a 13 year old, who probably is still in middle school.
That’s pretty bad and disgusting regardless of gender. But that’s just what I think.
King of the Mecha Double standards too. An 18 year old male and a 13 year old female would result in a much bigger news story than this
Tony Hong Sadly that's true. Especially since girls mature faster than guys.
Honestly I don't care about this. Who cares who she dates. If they keep it legal go ahead
Want to know something fucked-up? In Texas you can marry at the age of 14 w/your parents' consent. WTF Texas?!
I don't really care but I should say that if we area always interested in parallel situations that didn't happen this time then I got one. Would it be okay for a 16 year old technically a child, to date an 18 year old technically an adult?
He is a brave soul to be willing to go to jail over this. He’s not wrong. I’d pay the fine personally. But wow. I’ll be very impressed if he actually follows through with what he says.
Dankula should 100% continue what he's doing. Courts work based on precedent, they often look to what happened in other rulings when deciding similar cases. The precedent this ruling sets is ludicrous and should not stand. I swear Britain is getting closer and closer to actually being V for Vendetta every damn day. Even if he loses and goes to jail he keeps the issue alive and hopefully inspires others to fight on his behalf, it is very much needed.
God I think the whole situation is ludicrous. Even I think the nazi dog thing is a little funny, BECAUSE ITS OBVIOUSLY A JOKE. I can't believe this has gone on like this. It's like the courts are trying to make a statement of some kind...? He doesn't deserve a fine or anything in regards to the video.
cantbeleveitsnotnaru I did not find the Nazi pug funny, but got me interested in him, for most part he is one of the best shitposter in the world.
cantbeleveitsnotnaru a tidbit, he says along the lines of "I'm gonna have my dog to do worst thing he can do"
The worst thing being, a Nazi. Mean, yeah. Context really needs to be figured by the judges. But, I won't say anymore. :P
I think it was very funny.
teach my dog do same.
18yr old woman with 13 year old boy, just gets controversy. 18 year old man with 13 year old girl, gets immediately arrested. What a world we live in.
SSJ Bouncy It’s literally a high school senior and a freshman
Weird as hell, sure. A national travesty, nah
Sapphire Suzuki 14 is freshman
Sapphire Suzuki more like an 8th grader and a freshman in college, no matter what way you look at it, it still isn’t right.
First of all, thank for the correction.
English is not my first language but that is no excuse for error like "tipes"
Sorry every one
don’t know if I should correct my comment or just leave it be.
I am really hoping that Marcus will get his appeal.
Stay strong, and keep up the good fight!
Why? He did nothing to deserve jail.
There will be some big ass rallies if he goes to jail
Cynical Blossom WHY how dare you question the UK court of to the Gulag with you
Cynical Blossom he lives in a a country that doesn't support free speech
I'll be careful not to pick up the soap.
I would never presume to tell Markus Meechan (aka CountDankula) what to do in a difficult situation like this, but if he is actually going through with what he said in that video I will immensely respect him and applaud him for his brave and firm stance against censorship and the taking away of his personal freedom of expression. It is important to signal to the courts that this is not okay and that they can‘t just bully people into silence for something as innocuous as a joke video involving a pug doing a nazi salute. Even as a German myself it‘s extremely obvious that this was just satire and no harm was intended or done. Being „offensive“ is not something that should ever be fined. Ridiculous sentencing.
Count Dankula HAS DONE NOTHING WRONG!
Hey Philip, can you cover the Canada Saudi's conflict? It sounds like an interesting watch!
PHILIP PHILIP DE FRANCO, FRANCO FRANCO
ElectroBOOM lol Trudeau is a joke
Xarc Factor Still better that Harper ;)
Wouldn't expect to see you Here :)
Go shock yourself haha get it
wow was not expectin EB here lol, but yeah good topic
Fight on count! Don't ever apologise for a good joke, and don't take shit for anybody!
The way I view it Marcus is Trying to stop a dangerous precedent before it's truly set in stone.
"Maturity is based on experience" uhhhh no. A 13 year old may have been through a lot, but scientifically, their brain literally cannot be as developed as an adult's. The way they process the world around them, form relationships with other people, etc, it's all at a different developmental level. Even small age gaps are huge between teenagers - like, I probably wouldn't date a 16 year old even though I'm barely 18, because I know when I was 16 I was in a completely different place mentally than I am now. Even if there was no sex involved, that child - and I know we all feel grown up at 13 but we aren't, and that's okay, we don't have to be - was being taken advantage of and used by an adult who should have the fucking decency to know better. The fact that his mother agreed with it is disgusting too.
Kat Falk finally THANK YOU!
How was he being taken advantage of?
Fredy_the_ Yeti are you stupid or are you trolling?
Fredy_the_ Yeti how tf was he not. A kid can't consent to an intimate relationship with an adult even if it's not sexual because again, they aren't on the same level mentally
i hate how people in this comment section are still saying "he's so lucky!" because they're contributing to the problem. saying shit like this makes it seem okay for an 18 year old to be dating a 13 year old. it's not even funny at this point.
bae ana he’s lucky
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bae ana right? in what world is it ever okay for an adult to ""date"" a middle schooler
Bill Cosby would u date her at 13
Imagine if someone said "she's so lucky" to describe an 18 year old guy grooming a recently turned 13 year old girl.
Although the laws of consent differ from state to state, he still isn't legal in any state to my knowledge. Typically to consent to up to 3-4 years older, you have to be 14. It is still pedophillia, even if you do claim to be "in love" or whatever.
Count Dankula is going full Civil Disobedience, and I have massive respect for him for that.
The charges are a disgusting, Orwellian assassination of free speech, and I respect Count Dankula for giving potentially years of his life in prison to stand up for freedom and against tyrannical government rulings.
Completely agree, also nice pfp
I agreed that he should not have been charged, but it is idiotic for him to go to jail. Pay the 800 quid and continue to fight the fight... He will likely just be forgotten if he ends up behind bars. There will be the next sensational story to catch everyone's attention... Pay the fine, stay free, and fight for change
There isn't, strictly speaking, any guarantee of 'Freedom of Speech' in the UK. Not in the same way as in the US. The US has a codified and written constitution, the first amendment of which protects 'freedom of expression'. The UK has very 'loose' protections around freedom of expression that favour protection against the misuse of such rather than the protection of such freedom
America has freedom of speech until antifa shut you down and the cops do nothing