The Difficulties of Learning Vietnamese

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    The Difficulties of Learning Vietnamese
    Sonny Side is the host of the "Best Ever Food Review Show" on TH-cam, a series devoted to exploring and appreciating the world's unique culinary offerings.
    This clip was taken from JRE #1925 w/Sonny Side.
    Host: Joe Rogan @joerogan
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  • @FukUrUsernameRules
    @FukUrUsernameRules ปีที่แล้ว +111

    That thing he said "Language Anticipation Anxiety" is 100% a real thing. I lived in Japan for 5 years and every once in a while I would walk up to someone in a restaurant and say something in perfect Japanese and they wouldn't understand me. It was cos they saw me coming, and inside their own heads they were thinking, "oh shit this guy is gonna come up and start speaking English at me and I'm not sure I'm gonna understand". So they're so focused on "ENGLISH" that when Japanese comes out of my mouth they can't understand it. 🤣 Then I repeat myself and they go "ohhhhh" and laugh out loud!

    • @xeronix9774
      @xeronix9774 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      😭😭😭

    • @jeffreybaker4399
      @jeffreybaker4399 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Flip side of that is when you know a few phrases of a language really well from living there so long (not necessarily study) that when you use them, the listener thinks you are fluent. The response you get can be well over your level to understand. 😕

    • @cond.oriano4945
      @cond.oriano4945 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It kind of gets annoying when it happens everytime though

  • @miululu7432
    @miululu7432 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    The big difficulty with Vietnamese is that there is absolutely no tolerance for error- your pronunciation, intonation and grammar must all be perfect, or you're speaking gibberish.

    • @sullitmas
      @sullitmas 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      def yes lol

    • @ENXJ
      @ENXJ 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      To be fair, English is tough too. Beach becomes b**ch instantly lol.

  • @Danielson1818
    @Danielson1818 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    My best friend growing up was Vietnamese, and that really is a crazy language. I always said it was more tones than words.

    • @hohuy1469
      @hohuy1469 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Danielson1818 one tone with a vowel create a meaning word, and there are six tone for nearly every vowel. Yup, that's a lot of words can be formed already. When we combine it with the consonants, vowels and tone, the options and meaning are endless 😁

  • @BigsmokeATL
    @BigsmokeATL ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Everything sonny says is correct . The tones are difficult to get down. I’m often struggle speaking Vietnamese because I’m often mixing English grammar

    • @dmitrifromrussiaa
      @dmitrifromrussiaa ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks for learning our language. We really appreciate when foreigners try to speak Vietnamese, even when they messed up with the tones because to be honest we understand what you are trying to say, even with no tones :))

    • @Bob31415
      @Bob31415 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@dmitrifromrussiaa Aren't you Russian?

  • @TheUntypicalGerman
    @TheUntypicalGerman ปีที่แล้ว +87

    I'm fluent in Mandarin and Cantonese and I recently have lived 6 months in Vietnam learning Vietnamese for fun, and Vietnamese is so much harder than any other language I have attempted to learn. The tones are not that hard, due to my fluency in Chinese, but it's the pronunciation that is so crazily difficult.
    Mặc dù bây giờ tôi không sống ở Việt Nam nhưng tôi sẽ tiếp tục học tiếng Việt mỗi ngày

    • @tjanderson5892
      @tjanderson5892 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Think the rest of the world would argue that you already know the world’s most difficult language by being fluent in American English lol

    • @UGOkilleth
      @UGOkilleth ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Wait til you try Hmong, 8 tones

    • @ac1455
      @ac1455 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Imagine how much harder it’d be for people who only know alphabets if Vietnamese still had chu nom script.

    • @hohuy1469
      @hohuy1469 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Chúc bạn luôn nhớ và phát triển những gì bạn đã học được tại Việt Nam nhé 😁

    • @AndyNguyenVietThang
      @AndyNguyenVietThang ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You are awesome!!!

  • @andyheritage
    @andyheritage ปีที่แล้ว +15

    To all that want to learn how to speak Vietnamese easy. Just know these premises of the language. Vietnamese is known to be the language of birds because all words only have one syllable. There is not a word in Vietnamese that has 2 syllables. Therefore when birds are singing..Vietnamese language is one in the same, we are actually singing instead of talking because you have to hit the right pitch in a word; hence one word spelled the same but with accent marks, sometime it can turn into 5 to 7 meaning. Talking about tough, try learning German. Since I live in Germany for nearly 7 years, its truly is a fun language to know but I learn so much rich past history from its language etymology. BTW..reach out to myself, I`ll teach you how to speak Vietnamese fast to appease to your in-law. I have to do the same for my German in-laws and its tough..so I feel you!!

    • @Bob31415
      @Bob31415 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Deutsch ist leicht.

  • @YoannVn
    @YoannVn ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Vietnamese is hell to pronounce and once you success then you fly from Hanoi to Saigon to find out that the pronunciation is very different... Then again, you fly to the center and it s different. I ve been living in VN for long, got used to the language and it s a lot of fun. Vietnamese people are also really nice people. Here the written tones : ma má mà mã mạ mả

    • @hohuy1469
      @hohuy1469 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You are right, i'm born and raise in Việt Nam, 3 years old now and i still sometimes struggle to understand the local speaking of some other regions in my country

    • @Bob31415
      @Bob31415 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@hohuy1469 Yor English is excellent for a Vietnamese 3 year old.

    • @hohuy1469
      @hohuy1469 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@Bob31415 oh snap, 30 years old, not 3 😂 i missed a zero while typing

    • @sullitmas
      @sullitmas 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      how can i understand and stop confusing the structure of sentences? because sometimes words change position and become flexible depending on the sentence. i really get so nervous cuz its frustrating the word changes position and you never know if it will be different or not next time

    • @sullitmas
      @sullitmas 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@hohuy1469 can you help me? about the question i made above this comment

  • @golgoth7600
    @golgoth7600 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I'm Laotian. We have the same different tone, different meaning thing. I understand why this could be very hard for a foreigner to learn.

    • @auniquehandle
      @auniquehandle ปีที่แล้ว +2

      damn it's rare seeing a Laos online

  • @khalidmohak6708
    @khalidmohak6708 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I lived in Vietnam, Hanoi for 5 years and he's right. You try to order a coffee in Vietnamese and end up in a confusing mess just repeating what you think the other said. The amount of times I ordered a black coffee and go back and forth and get something totally different. The tonal language is hard 😅

    • @chrisx5127
      @chrisx5127 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Ca phe sua da ban :D

    • @khalidmohak6708
      @khalidmohak6708 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@chrisx5127no, Khong, cafe sua, Den em oi

    • @hohuy1469
      @hohuy1469 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The good side of it is you get to experience many type of coffee 😁

  • @chrisx5127
    @chrisx5127 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    That why Vietnamese are highly intelligent, and why they are undefeated in war. A language so hard only those with IQ higher than 100 can speak it.

    • @andrewcarranza1562
      @andrewcarranza1562 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      wtf are you talking about. Ive never seen 6 different tones of a single word being used on a IQ test to test a person logic.

  • @BogalaSawundiris
    @BogalaSawundiris ปีที่แล้ว +72

    In my observations of American students trying to learn Vietnamese I have noticed one interesting phenomenon. Most American students take much longer to master Vietnamese because they get disturbing flashbacks and PTSD style resurgence visions while learning the fundamentals of Vietnamese. Many American students also report of auditory hallucinations after classes where the trees next to their homes or apartments appear to be speaking to them in Vietnamese. This phenomenon is exacerbated if they are next to or see a photo of a rice-paddy field. One must note that many of these American students haven't even visited Vietnam yet ! It is truly a strange phenomenon. This could be a case of resurgence of genetic memories passed on to them from their Fathers and Grand-Fathers.

    • @ericstrong2090
      @ericstrong2090 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Lmao

    • @happybeach777
      @happybeach777 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      😂wtf

    • @BogalaSawundiris
      @BogalaSawundiris ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@happybeach777 FAX bruh FAX

    • @bibekjung7404
      @bibekjung7404 ปีที่แล้ว

      ALMIGHTY GOD KABIR is the father of all souls that JESUS, MOHAMMAD, GURU NANAK, VEDH was telling in BIBLE, QURAN, GURU GRANTHA SAHEB

    • @phamquocbao6728
      @phamquocbao6728 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's very weird to me

  • @smithtran
    @smithtran ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Chris Lewis on TH-cam speaks Vietnamese with proper dialect and grammar, better than most Vietnamese Americans. I love watching that guy speaks Vietnamese, Mandarine and Hindi.

    • @hammertime_
      @hammertime_ ปีที่แล้ว

      Great channel suggestion for those who are curious about an American who speaks Vietnamese very well.

    • @i0x_x0i
      @i0x_x0i ปีที่แล้ว

      🤢🤮

    • @welldang6448
      @welldang6448 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mikachu also speaks it very well. Sonny did pretty good here, actually.

  • @Wee-Ah-Boo
    @Wee-Ah-Boo 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Here's an example for the tone to put thing in perspective
    co - stretch
    có - yes or have (depending on context)
    cò - cranes (animal)
    cỏ - grass
    cọ - brush

  • @Re-Hong
    @Re-Hong ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yeah... As a Viet, I can confirm this. There's 5 same words with different meanings because of the symbols changing the tones. The vowels and some letters will also have different sound and meaning such as the letter A... or A Ă and Â. Yeah, 1 word will have like 15 different meanings. T and Th are flipped so "think = th" would be "think = t or tink" and same can be said vice versa. T sounds more "the" and TH sounds more of a 'Tuh" in vietnamese. Some require another word to describe one thing. The fun part is that some words don't even exist at all so some words only have 3 words instead of 5 because of overlap pronunciation or something else.
    For clarification on tones:
    No symbol (Ca = sing) sounds neutral.
    The tick mark (Dấu Sác= /) (Cá = fish) sounds higher pitch tone.
    The down tick mark (Dấu Huyền = \)(cà) sounds soft.
    The question mark (Dấu Hỏi = ?) (Cả =(adj) for whole or main, therefore, Cả lớp = Whole Class ) sounds like you have a question or confused.
    The squiggly line/tilde (Dấu Ngã = ~) (Cã=??? --> Yeah i dont know the meaning) sounds like you are twisting and stretching the tone and word in a bit of a high pitch.
    The down dot (Dấu Nặng = .)(Cạ = ? --> Sorry idk) sounds like its deep and straight to the point.
    Combine all of this together into sentences, it basically sounds and looks like you are having mood swings after each word while speaking.

    • @mentalitydesignvideo
      @mentalitydesignvideo 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      I know you're trying to help, but that's a horrible explanation of tones. Alexander Raj does a good job of it on YT

  • @jules3048
    @jules3048 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I totally think language anticipation anxiety exists. I’ve learned a few expressions in different languages but am very Caucasian and look it. And every time I say something in a different lang they ALWAYS say “what?” And I’ve come to realize it’s because they were expecting me to speak English so didn’t actually understand/hear what I said. But if I repeated it in their lang then they understood.

  • @amwright2550
    @amwright2550 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Sunny Side is one of the most interesting people alive!

  • @kthx1234
    @kthx1234 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    he basically said that he was very ugly, not he was very hungry

  • @ausgepicht
    @ausgepicht ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Mandarin has 4 tones as well, and Cantonese has at least a whopping 9. I'm 52 and been a musician since I was 15 years old and started learning Mandarin when I was about 27-28 and found it incredibly easy - mostly because they don't conjugate verbs and the verb doesn't change whether it's past, present, or future (you add a modifier word after the verb to indicate those tenses). I was speaking very rudimentary Mandarin within a week. Nothing to write home about, but I was at least having simple conversations with actual Chinese nationals. So, I think if you have a musical ear, it's far easier because the gramar and syntax is pretty simple and highly practical.
    I've never tried Vietnamese, and I may be wrong on this, but watching Sonny's videos, especially when he is with Calvin or Nguyen, and hearing it spoken, I suspect there are more than 4 tones. It sounds more "musical" than Mandarin. Can anyone comfirm? I'm curious.

    • @Banana_Split_Cream_Buns
      @Banana_Split_Cream_Buns ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes. I tried learning it. I didn't manage to learn Chinese but I started it, and it seemed fairly simple. Japanese OTOH has more complicated sentence structure but at least the words are easy to pronounce.
      In Vietnamese, every word is one syllable. It has tones as well as accents. The sentence structure didn't seem too complex but just getting your head around the word pronounciation is a headache.
      I've forgotten everything which is good because even when I tried to speak sentences to a native Viet speaker, the look they give me makes me think that they think that I'm having a stroke.

    • @Hinakuro
      @Hinakuro ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, Vietnamese actually has 6 tones which is flat (-), deep (`), sharp ('), heavy (•), asking (?), tumbling (~). That’s the standard textbook anyway. There are probably more or less tones depending on the dialects. I live in the south and people here often turn tumbling into asking when they talk so essentially the south only has 4 or 5 tones

    • @ocmanga5685
      @ocmanga5685 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      6 tones.

    • @6Uncles
      @6Uncles 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      yeah, not really accurate. Cantonese and Vietnamese has same number of tone contours or relative pitch levels, which is 6.
      They both also have entering/clipped "tones", or glottal stop finals, meaning that words end in hard/sharp consonants (p,t,k etc.) But these end up being at the same relative pitch levels of the former category. So that's where you end up with people saying that Canto has 9 tones or Viet has 8

    • @donjohnson5123
      @donjohnson5123 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I’ve lived here a while, Vietnamese wife. There are actually NINE tones, two more than Mandarins actual seven.
      Forgeabouit. It’s not even worth the time and effort to try IMO. Good, kind and friendly people, my wife’s a dream, but the language….simply ridiculous.

  • @lexthang
    @lexthang 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I heard this comment a number of times: people keep saying "I try to speak Vietnamese but no one understands and no local wants to help guide me towards the right way". The problem is that with Vietnamese, if you don't speak with the right accent, it sounds like you're speaking a foreign language to the native ear, and that's why no one can help you. Most foreigners when they first learn Vietnamese, their pronunciation is very "timid" when doing the accent. So they end up doing an "off-white" version of the real thing. All the accents they speak sound the same, a middle-ground that doesn't sound like anything. In the clip above, one example is when he said "đói quá". He ended up saying a foreign version the word, somewhere in between "đòi, đồi, đỏi". I mean, even the "đ" is not the Vietnamese đ but more like the English 'd'. So the native year, it easily sounds like some foreign word of a language they don't know about. That's why the reaction is more like being puzzled rather than being helpful.
    For other languages, it's easier to recognize that you're trying to speak the language, and to recognize the word you're trying to say. Then it's easier to help.

  • @sherlee9668
    @sherlee9668 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Not sure if alot of ppl know or even heard of hmong ppl but the hmong language is the same idea. Its all about tones. A different tone can completely change the meaning of the word. Interesting to know that vietnamese is kinda the same.

    • @Easymoneysniper5
      @Easymoneysniper5 ปีที่แล้ว

      English is the same way

    • @droptopp3479
      @droptopp3479 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      vietnamese, chinese, and hmong all use tones but honestly hmong is pretty easy too learn. Hard part is just remembering which word is which tone. Id say vietnamese is harder too learn just by hearing how they talk

    • @tjanderson5892
      @tjanderson5892 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol yes we’ve heard of Hmong. But American English is the same way and then some. Even more baffling is that American English has words that are spelt identical, but can mean completely different things and sound completely different. We call em homonyms of course. Partly why English is largely seen as the hardest language to learn. Wonder if these other languages have homonyms similar to English ones. It only makes sense that they’d have a few, but I wonder to what extent and how common.

    • @BornIn1500
      @BornIn1500 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Easymoneysniper5 No. English is not the same way.

    • @nozrep
      @nozrep ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Easymoneysniper5no sorry the tones of English definitely do not work the same way as the tones of the tonal languages of Asia like Mandarin, Cantonese, Vietnamese, et cetera. It is a totally, totally different concept. Simple example: Saying the word “yes” in English in a very low whisper or yelling the word yes in a loud voice are two different tones of yes but DOES NOT change the meaning of the word nor does it make it a different word. The tonal concept of Asian languages is exactly opposite. It WOULD change the word into a totally different word AND a totally different meaning potentially. So I do not know any of those languages but the linguists and anthropologists who have studied the different cultures have made study of this difference for hundreds of years and it is really well researched and documented so I am not trying to be a karen a-hole know it all but hopefully trying to help one understand that English language tones and Asian language tones are absolutely NOT the same concept in any respect.

  • @cainabel615
    @cainabel615 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Vietnamese is a very tonal language. The words can be spelled the exact same way, but the punctuations on the letters changes the inflection of your voice. One word spelled the same way can have 7 different meanings depending on the inflection of your voice. Unless you grew up to identify those subtle distinct tones, it’s a very difficult language to learn.

  • @Baby16982
    @Baby16982 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Only American I've seen speaking vietnamese was laushu the master of languages and from that you can notice how difficult this language actually is

  • @rustyspygoat4089
    @rustyspygoat4089 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    He totally butchered the "anh" pronunciation. 😂😂😂

  • @My-cat-is-staring-at-you
    @My-cat-is-staring-at-you ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Tonal languages are something else.

    • @SirLangsalot
      @SirLangsalot 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      From another planet ...... maybe quite literally.

    • @My-cat-is-staring-at-you
      @My-cat-is-staring-at-you 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SirLangsalot ?

    • @SirLangsalot
      @SirLangsalot 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @My-cat-is-staring-at-you listen to JRE guest, David Cho. He thinks asian people originate from outer space. Similar height, eyes, and high IQ to grey aliens. Look it up.

    • @My-cat-is-staring-at-you
      @My-cat-is-staring-at-you 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @SirLangsalot of course Joe had a guest who was off his rocker.

  • @Nic3Walk
    @Nic3Walk ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Grown up as a vietnamese born in europe i do hear the difference nouances when someone else speak but beeing able to pronounce it the same way, is a whole different thing. I‘m fluent in 5 languages and my vietnamese is the worst out of all of them

  • @October-oj3nz
    @October-oj3nz 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    As a Vietnamese person, he is very good

  • @_llv22
    @_llv22 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    it's so cool that Joe Rogan learns the structure so quickly

  • @Biking360
    @Biking360 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    There are 6 tones and Vietnamese is also difficult because it is a mono-sollabic language.

    • @TranHungDao.
      @TranHungDao. 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      6 in north and 5 in south

  • @DUKEOFSOUNDS
    @DUKEOFSOUNDS ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I speak 5 languages
    It's sometimes hard to translate 😕
    That's why the translator professionals have a good pay

  • @lryuen_2261
    @lryuen_2261 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    1:29 Yes it is WILD even as a Vietnamese, and thats also the reason why if like my parent's guest or friend is coming I wouldn't want to go greet them cause I don't know what pronounce to use and what do I call them, I don't want to be rude lmao.

    • @sullitmas
      @sullitmas 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      wow does this really happen? im shocked !

    • @lethanhminh8001
      @lethanhminh8001 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@sullitmas it's so annoying because if you mess up they KNOW you dont remember them lol, happened so many time for me i dont remember shit

  • @Bob31415
    @Bob31415 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There is a teacher of Vietnamese here on YT (I forget who) who would not answer a basic question. She was explaining the vowel pronunciations. When she pronounced the 2nd "a" she did so with a rising tone. I asked why. It is supposed to have a different vowel *sound* but the tone is not part of its pronunciation since the tone can be different depending on what word it's in.

    • @daveygiggles
      @daveygiggles 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I am currently on a voyage to learn Vietnamese and I had this exact same question. The answer I've found is that when you are saying "ă" as a letter by itself, they use the rising tone simply to distinguish it from the first letter "a". But that tone is NOT used when "ă" appears in a word. When "ă" appears in a word, it is pronounced the same as "a", but is much shorter. So when you say "dăm" to mean "a few, or some", you would shorten the "a" sound and linger on the "m" sound. Hope this helps.

    • @Bob31415
      @Bob31415 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@daveygiggles Thank you for the response. Of course the tone I referenced (rising) COULD be used in some words but my point was that there is a distinction between the tone of a vowel and the basic pronunciation of it. The teacher in the video (in fact more than one did this) was giving a rising tone to the 2nd "a" when she should have just given its pronunciation. By doing this she was implying that the 2nd "a" *always* has a rising tone which is of course not correct.

    • @daveygiggles
      @daveygiggles 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Bob31415 Yes, I understand what you're saying. My wife is Vietnamese and she also uses a rising tone for ă when saying the alphabet. But ă does not inherently have a rising tone when used in a word unless the rising tone mark is also present. This is just one of those things you have to accept when learning the language. The pronunciation for "a" and "ă" are the same. The only difference is the length of the vowel. Same for "ơ" and "â"; pronounced the same but â is shorter than ơ.

    • @Bob31415
      @Bob31415 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@daveygiggles Very interesting. You explained it better than the native speaking instructors here on TH-cam. " *But ă does not **_inherently_** have a rising tone when used in a word unless the rising tone mark is also present* ." THAT is all they had to say to avoid the confusion.

  • @Bocchi-the-Rock_
    @Bocchi-the-Rock_ ปีที่แล้ว

    The issue here is even if it sounds like gibberish, they should be able to tell it's supposed to be Vietnamese, not understanding a language doesn't mean it doesn't have a specific sound. It would obviously depend on the person, but regardless of whether or not you understand a language someone speaks, I think a lot of people would still be able to infer. If I meet a Mexican person and they don't really speak English, but they're trying to make sounds that are clearly similar to or ARE words in English, even pronounced wrong or in the wrong order, it's still understandable to the point that you'd know they're trying to speak English. I bet there's plenty of Vietnamese people who could understand that you're trying to speak Vietnamese and wouldn't think even poor Vietnamese sounds anything like English (or any given language that couldn't reasonably be misconstrued. Again, you don't have to be familiar with a language, even if it's one a lot of people in the world have likely read or heard at some point (English, Mandarin, Spanish, German, those that tend to be fairly wide spread)
    Perhaps the level of difference makes it easier to not understand attempted Vietnamese to a Vietnamese person, but actually I would have thought the uniqueness would make it easier to tell when someone is trying to speak it. It's just difficult for me to fathom not recognizing the language that you and everyone around you has spoken for your entire life, even if it's bad (and yes, the more a language spreads, the more non-native speakers try to pick it up, and thus you'll have more and more examples of it spoken badly at some point. Most people who speak English have heard someone not as good at it try to speak it, but I bet most of them still get what's being attempted, and this can't be a unique trait to any language, there have to be Vietnamese people who would see some other Vietnamese person not understand someone trying to speak Vietnamese to them and say "Anh ngu như cứt"

    • @Eatjoybanhmi101
      @Eatjoybanhmi101 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Idk how to explain but i LEGIT sometimes cannot understand when ppl speak viet. The tones help me understand so when ppl speak without the tones well its hard like yes ik its vietnamese but i still cant understand exactly

  • @Banana_Split_Cream_Buns
    @Banana_Split_Cream_Buns ปีที่แล้ว +16

    The only words I can remember of Vietnamese are:
    "Plèãse dõn't éât mè Thēô Vòn."

  • @psychologienerd7546
    @psychologienerd7546 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    my two closest vietnamese friends. i always imitated their words, and i got the intonation wrong each time.

  • @johnmichaelcanares2633
    @johnmichaelcanares2633 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Same with some words in the Philippines. Like for example in Visaya "puso" has 3 different meanings based on how you say it. It could mean water pump, hanging rice, or heart-although this meaning is Tagalog but has also a different intonation compared to the Visayan versions. Many more examples like "lata" has different meanings based on intonation or tubo, baga, paso, etc. I think southeast asian languages has a lot of this.

    • @nozrep
      @nozrep ปีที่แล้ว +4

      the Asian tonal languages are fascinating for sure. I do not know any of them in the slightest, but always fascinating to listen to. I will observe, however, that you said that the same word for water pump could also be heart. And the human heart is, technically, a form of biological fluid pump, pumping our blood, which is mostly water. Very interesting! Hanging rice… I got nothing for that😅.

    • @brambl3014
      @brambl3014 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, there's roughly 3 level of Javanese in general
      "crude" Javanese used to talk with younger person or your close friend
      "middle" Javanese used to talk with formal peer
      "high" Javanese used to talk with someone you respect
      But you can bypass all of these by using Indonesian language as it sounds formal

  • @officiallybreaktime
    @officiallybreaktime หลายเดือนก่อน

    Vietnamese is really not that hard. I think people make things aren’t really that difficult hard on themselves. Vietnamese. First of all, Vietnamese is flexible. You can flip the sentence order frontwards or backwards and it still makes sense. Verbs don’t have to be conjugated and there are simple additive words to convey “time” like Đi, Sẽ, and Đã. That’s it. Lastly, pronunciation “can” be tricky, but that really only comes down to regional differences such as the Northern, Central and Southern dialects. Vietnamese essentially like to speak how they speak and they often like to throw you off just when you thought what you’re using was sufficient. You’re not wrong in how you speak, but they like to play the wild card. They understand you though. I’ve never had much of an issue. Then again, I spent most of my time learning languages my entire life.

    • @sullitmas
      @sullitmas 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      hhhhhhhhhhh in my opinion, this is precisely hard because its flexible that it makes things difficult because they do not follow a basic pattern. im desperate because i cant understand what the position of the words will be

    • @officiallybreaktime
      @officiallybreaktime 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@sullitmas I mean this also comes from being immersed in languages of all different sorts of sentence orders and once you’ve become familiar also with the way other Asian languages work then logic and a bit of practice does wonders

    • @officiallybreaktime
      @officiallybreaktime 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@sullitmas I mean this also comes from being immersed in languages of all different sorts of sentence orders and once you’ve become familiar also with the way other Asian languages work then logic and a bit of practice does wonders

  • @Adventure_Quan
    @Adventure_Quan ปีที่แล้ว

    Max McFarlin speaks pretty good Vietnamese from the south. I think he's only lived there for 3 or 4 years.

  • @ijustwannaleaveacommentony6511
    @ijustwannaleaveacommentony6511 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    what do you call a line of people waiting outside a vietnamese restaurant?
    the pho queue
    haha

    • @nozrep
      @nozrep ปีที่แล้ว +1

      hahaha nice one. dude i knew a Vietnamese American guy that is his parents immigrated he was born in USA. Went by David but his Vietnamese name was literally and actually Phuc. Yes! Seriously!😅😂 And he would tell us stories of how growing up here in America and being totally American but also totally fluent in Vietnamese still… he would “fuck” with his teachers at school. And yell at them, yelling his actual Vietnamese name of Phuc. (my name is Phuc say it right!) Hahahaha and what fantastic fun he had with it growing up. Alas I do not know what the male Vietnamese name of Phuc even means! Good stories from him though.

    • @ijustwannaleaveacommentony6511
      @ijustwannaleaveacommentony6511 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@nozrep great stuff haha
      thanks for getting my joke!

  • @nozrep
    @nozrep ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Vietnamese are totally cool with mispronunciation of “pho” in my city where there are many, many many many Pho restaurants, well, at least all the Vietnamese I have met anyways. There is even one in Galveston that did an EXCELLENT play on words, taking advantage of the mispronunciation. Pho Twenty noodle house. 😅😂😅 Get it? 420? Fo-Twenty? Pho Twenty? Yep!!!! It exists! In Galveston!

  • @sonnybaba1805
    @sonnybaba1805 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If you learn how to get iced coffee in Vietnamese you are good trust me

  • @toddoughty2043
    @toddoughty2043 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love Both of Yall Thank Yall both!!!!!

  • @boulderbash19700209
    @boulderbash19700209 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Korean language is more closely related to Japanese than to Chinese.

  • @chhansen9813
    @chhansen9813 ปีที่แล้ว

    Joe NEEDS to have TH-cam influencer Xiaomanyc on his show, this dude is amazing!

  • @Tiaimo
    @Tiaimo 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Writing super easy to read. Speaking is the same idea in many language due to social status goes into consideration. pronoun n word of choices have to change. Speaking generally easy for people who use tonal language as native tongue.

  • @Portfelio
    @Portfelio หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm not sure I've ever been ridiculed for trying Viet.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, he's speaking southern viet.

  • @user-ux8wn6ee6y
    @user-ux8wn6ee6y หลายเดือนก่อน

    mot ly ca phe sua dà ---A Coffee with milk😊

  • @welldang6448
    @welldang6448 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's pretty good Sonny.

  • @jayzee316
    @jayzee316 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    chinese also has 4 tones for each word /sound, and each sound is connected with 100s of words, that all share the sounds, so outside of tones you also have to understand the context of other words used around them, homonyms galore. Once a literary scholar wrote an entire essay using one single sound, different tones and it made complete sense when you heard/read it.

    • @chrisx5127
      @chrisx5127 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Chinese use sharp tone, Vietnamese is round. Easier for Westerner to make fun off and hear. Westerner cannot do that with Vietnamese. Hence, why Vietnamese are superior and more loved. And Vietnamese are like a melody especially in songs.

    • @jayzee316
      @jayzee316 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@chrisx5127 lol yeah one group is more "superior", sounds like its coming from a fascist. So why do vietnamese all watch chinese tv drama and listen to chinese pop, steal it and make a clone song?

    • @anan7470
      @anan7470 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Vietnamese could do it too. All Vietnamese main 6 syllables (/`?~.", you could make entire an essay with just picking up 1 out of 6 main syllables above.

  • @Willow-rq8np
    @Willow-rq8np 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You must be referring to Harrolson

  • @Az0rAh4i
    @Az0rAh4i ปีที่แล้ว +2

    His Vietnamese is not that bad💁💁

  • @nozrep
    @nozrep ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I will always say foe for pho! I am American dammit😂😅. I definitely do not mind being ridiculed for saying word wrongly in a different language which is not my own native American English. It is what it is. Besides, I live in the city with the first or second largest Vietnamese community in the entire country of USA and most Vietnamese folks I have met are totally cool about it. Yes, they make fun of me. Yes, but also, they understand and it is all in good fun.

    • @tl7556
      @tl7556 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm an Australian Vietnamese. An easy way for you guys to say it is "huh?" but beginning with a "F". :)

    • @FukUrUsernameRules
      @FukUrUsernameRules ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tl7556 I'm Australian Australian, and I always thought of saying "Fuck" but just drop the "ck" off the end! 😉😆

    • @tl7556
      @tl7556 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@FukUrUsernameRules lol if you say it like that but with a high tone, it means to break something in Vietnamese...

    • @viveviveka2651
      @viveviveka2651 ปีที่แล้ว

      In a way, I like the way Anericans just pronounce foreign words the way an American would naturally say them, in American English, without even trying to say it "correctly." It can be a way of being natural and dropping all pretense and effort. Like "we are what we are, and we speak like we speak, in our language, and it is what it is, so be it." - A kind of self-acceptance.

    • @auniquehandle
      @auniquehandle ปีที่แล้ว

      trust me no one gonna ridiculed you for trying to say vietnamese

  • @bango865
    @bango865 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Chúng tôi lại thấy Tiếng Nga thật khó

  • @phuclotho7298
    @phuclotho7298 ปีที่แล้ว

    imagine they started learning the Nghe An language💀💀💀

    • @khoivinh3402
      @khoivinh3402 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Bình Định 😂😂😂

  • @MoejiiOsmanTV
    @MoejiiOsmanTV ปีที่แล้ว

    Buc duc luc fuc - I grew up around Vietnamese people...that right there means welcome to Vietnam how you doing enjoy your stay goodebyeeeeeno joke there's more vocabulary of certain words that mean ten different things

  • @kevnnmusic
    @kevnnmusic ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m sorry but don’t we have there, they’re and their?

  • @ashleyzviitei
    @ashleyzviitei ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Aha...now we know that Sonny's wife is Vietnamese. Mystery solved coz he keeps her off camera even though she travels with him.

  • @justedms53
    @justedms53 ปีที่แล้ว

    French is the same way too when you are talking in a formal or elder way

  • @RedLineHealth510
    @RedLineHealth510 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Their, there, they're.

    • @nozrep
      @nozrep ปีที่แล้ว +4

      English homonyms with different meanings, yes. Bravo! Good for you. Alas, a wholly, wholely and absolutely separate concept from the tonals of Asian languages. Where saying their in a whisper or their in a yelling voice will be as of two totally different words with two totally different meanings. But yelling their or whispering their in English still will always have the same meaning. Yes, totally different. But still, good job on your spelling🤓

  • @thisshouldbevalidplease5918
    @thisshouldbevalidplease5918 ปีที่แล้ว

    Laughing in Mizo tawng 🤣🤣

  • @ocmanga5685
    @ocmanga5685 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Có thể phát âm tiếng việt là khá khó. Nhưng học chữ viết thì rất dễ, bởi hệ thống ngữ pháp rất đơn giản. Đơn giản nhất trong các loại ngôn ngữ.

    • @anan7470
      @anan7470 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Nói chung là viết để giao tiếp bth thì dễ thôi. Cái khó ở Tiếng Việt là thứ tự sắp xếp chữ viết có thể xáo trộn mà vẫn rõ nghĩa, đặc biệt là với mỗi thanh điệu trong 6 thanh điệu của Tiếng Việt, bạn cũng có thể cấu tạo nó thành một bài văn :)) cái này các ngôn ngữ khác ko có!

  • @spitalhelles3380
    @spitalhelles3380 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The way Vietnamese is written makes absolutely no sense. G is pronounced as S. D is also pronounced as S.

    • @Paul-in-Viet-Nam
      @Paul-in-Viet-Nam 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It depends on the province. A lot of different ways to make the 'Z' sound where I am: D, gi, r, x and different words might pronounce them as 'S.' Tones and diphthongs combine to make very tricky pronunciation and understanding; for example, the Vietnamese words for new, salt and ten are quite similar (differ by diphthong), whereas the Vietnamese words for coconut, cucumber and pineapple only differ by tone.

    • @nomnaday
      @nomnaday หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It is "gi" not "g", this is from Italian influence. The Italian also pronounce "gi" as "z". D used to be a /ð/ sound, but because the Vietnamese alphabet is old, the sounds changed.

    • @johndo100
      @johndo100 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@nomnadayThe first Vietnamese alphabet was developed in Central Vietnam with limited resources by Catholic missionaries at the time. It did not cover all the sounds in the language with many dialects. The language changed of course yes, I still remember the way my grandma speak back in the day.

  • @thomaslatth665
    @thomaslatth665 ปีที่แล้ว

    Funny on JRE. Since JR struggles, even with English, most of times 08]

  • @Nomoneyforgolf
    @Nomoneyforgolf 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Start everything with “du ma” and everything will make sense

  • @TheRebornofSocialVietSub
    @TheRebornofSocialVietSub ปีที่แล้ว

    my gosh :) this dude will make you more confused about Vietnamese Only to explain the word I :)

  • @Marta1Buck
    @Marta1Buck ปีที่แล้ว

    the pronouns thing is like Javanese. we're in the same region afterall

  • @hukihu2010
    @hukihu2010 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    em đói quá😆

  • @DJ_TRON
    @DJ_TRON 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wth is he smoking? Korean is ridiculously hard to learn

  • @billlam7756
    @billlam7756 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wtf this guy saying 😂

  • @lioneatsthesheep8996
    @lioneatsthesheep8996 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Du Ma Con Cac

  • @boybawang1981
    @boybawang1981 ปีที่แล้ว

    1: U have to be on uppers to even speak Vietnamese. 2: U have to be on uppers to even listen to Vietnamese. 3: He didn't marry his wife for her culture. 4: Think Vietnamese is hard!? Try speaking an Eskimo language!! There's many words for snow!! Soft snow, hard snow, wet snow, sideways snow, bouncing snow, water snow, sea snow, igloo snow, tall snow, & on & on & on....

  • @wordofswords5386
    @wordofswords5386 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why does he need a vietmanese wife?

    • @Pepe-dq2ib
      @Pepe-dq2ib ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Shes tight fo long time.

    • @wordofswords5386
      @wordofswords5386 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Pepe-dq2ib 😂😂

    • @extendo7137
      @extendo7137 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Why not?😂 What kind of question is that?

    • @wordofswords5386
      @wordofswords5386 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@extendo7137 Lets not be naive. Generally the only reason somebody would go all the way to SEA to get a wife, is because theyre old and want a young Chinese Wife!

    • @YoShi-gv4zg
      @YoShi-gv4zg ปีที่แล้ว +10

      He doesn't need a vietnamese wife he just lives in Vietnam that's his home now

  • @sydneyconcerts902
    @sydneyconcerts902 ปีที่แล้ว

    he cant even talk Vietnamese tho

  • @i0x_x0i
    @i0x_x0i ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I didn’t know Sonny’s wife is Vietnamese until now

    • @hught6885
      @hught6885 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It’s the first time he’s mentioned if she was Vietnamese

    • @deaconpeck881
      @deaconpeck881 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you've seen enough of his videos, she's sometimes doing the filming. Sometimes she's even appeared with him. Not often but it has happened. More often she is wielding the camera in some videos.