When to quit your big tech job - from a big tech hiring manager
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ก.ค. 2024
- If you're considering leaving your current job, here's some things you should think about before you do.
Even if you're NOT thinking about leaving, you should review whether you're still in the right place every year. This is especially true for people at big tech companies like Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Facebook, etc. I should know, I spent thirty years at these companies myself, 15 as a principal engineer, 13 as a hiring manager.
Table of Contents
00:00 - Introduction.
01:21 - You own your career.
01:44 - The three reasons to think about leaving.
03:26 - Average tenure in high tech.
06:58 - After promotion is a GREAT time to leave.
08:00 - If you leave for someplace more exciting, be careful!
11:13 - Summing things up....
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References
The US Bureau of Labor Statistics has some great reports, like the one I showed an excerpt from, www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/...
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I'm reading the book "Staff engineer". I know you're mostly focusing on the initial phases of the career, but I'd love to hear your take on "how to progress past senior, and succeed as an IC"
Thank you for watching! I'm planning on talking about senior positions a bit later (a month or a little longer, I do these weekly), including the principal engineer position at Amazon, and what sort of stuff you have to do to progress to staff & principal engineer. Thanks for the suggestion!
Very nice video John - the clarity of thought and the practical tips are going to be very useful! Thanks 😊
Thanks Abhisek! Don't be a stranger :)
The content of your channel is gold for the tech community.
Thank you for watching and for the kind feedback!
I find when I am working fewer hours and yet feeling more tired or less needing to actively cut off work-time, it is either time to make sure I am exercising enough, or it is time to start to look for the next gig.
No job is good enough to risk losing your inner spark over, not only for personal fulfillment, but probably also in the long run growing your career since it takes a lot of talent to make up for inner drive.
Completely agree! I found myself in the same boat a few times, though in my case I always have to answer 'is this temporary' and never know!
Thanks John, insightful as usual, I picked up that you worked on systems engineering, wish there could be a lot of inisghts on that may be a separate series- as this is an area where people who aren't in big tech are disadvantaged, in big techs systems tend to scale big time up and out and from outside it may be hard to imagine the different convoluted situations.
Thanks again for the great content here.
Great suggestion! I have some architecture and design topics in mind that would probably help with this. I have another half dozen or so videos closely related to interviewing and career, and then I'm hoping to spend some time making videos about these sorts of things. Thank you for the suggestion & for watching!
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Gem of a channel btw. Can you make a video of when/how you should negotiate between multiple offers. For example, last year I recieved software engineering internship offers from Amazon, Coursera but never tried to negotiate because I was scared my offers would get rescinded.
Thank you! And great suggestion, I'll add it to the list of videos to make for interviewing advice. I was never a great negotiator, unfortunately, but I can at least share my experience and opinion!
Gold content
Thanks for watching!
Thanks a lot for this video, John. A lot of what you said highly resonated with me. During my 5 years at Amazon, I've come to a realization that your personality type can play a big role in your career advancement. For example, some environments are more inclusive, others are geared towards people who have stronger personalities and push back a lot, etc. Can you perhaps talk about that in a future video and share some stories and advice from your experience related to this topic?
Thanks for watching and commenting! I've got some good stories about 'fit' in teams and its effect on your career. Added to my list of videos to make!
@@TheDeliberateEngineer Awesome. Looking forward to your next videos. Keep it up and thanks again for sharing your experiences with the rest of us.
+1 on this Mostafa - I have also come to conclude the same, certain companies have cultures that favour a stronger personality, some others appreciate deeper technical expertise (though am not saying those are necessarily mutually exclusive).
Hi John! Thanks for the great content :)
You mention: “i’ve jumped around, maybe a little too much in my career..”. Why do you feel so? I often wonder about company hoping, and how its perceived over various points in one’s career. Can you elaborate? Also - are frequent (~2-3yr) jumps less frowned upon during early career, but more so in late career?
I think people who are hiring want to feel like they're going to get you for long enough to make the effort in recruiting worthwhile. Otherwise it might be better to get someone who isn't as good, but will stick around for four years instead of one. I haven't had anyone directly tell me I've moved around too much, but there are certainly questions to figure out why I move so frequently...
I don't think there's a time where short jumps are better or worse. It probably benefits you more earlier in your career, though.
John, can you make a video about counteroffer? What is your opinion on that?
It's a great suggestion, but I'm biased against counteroffer, so it would be a pretty skewed video. I've seen counteroffer a few times, but I've been stung by the process as an employee, and only seen it work out maybe 1 out of 6 times for people I've seen ask for a counter-offer. Would such a video still be interesting?
@@TheDeliberateEngineer Definitely! More data points are better.
How do you feel if your current company gives you a counter offer?
The one time I even pursued a possible counter-offer it went badly. I haven't usually heard of good experiences with accepting a counter-offer, though they do exist.