The Right Way to Quit Your Job
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ค. 2024
- Quitting without repercussions is harder than you might think. After moving jobs 15+ times, I've figured out how to do it with the lowest risk of unpleasant complications.
Here's my advice based on 30 years in technology, including 15 years as a principal engineer at Microsoft, Amazon, Google, etc. and 13 years as a hiring manager.
Table of Contents
00:00 - Introduction.
01:19 - Leaving is a private process.
01:40 - Saying you're leaving has consequences up to being immediately fired.
03:09 - Two real examples of unexpected consequences.
05:11 - Employee obligations before friendship.
05:55 - About human resources...
06:31 - Exit interviews and 'constructive criticism.'
08:16 - Sequence of activities to depart safely.
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The #1 advice should be to not blindly offer your loyalty to a company. Switching jobs is the best way to get promoted and/or a raise.
Last time I changed teams I actually told my manager 5-6 months before that I am thinking of leaving to get their advice and opinion, they were totally supportive. Of course I knew that person well enough to be able to seek for such an advice and I've heard stories like the ones you mentioned as well. Generally speaking secrecy helps you get things done because it reduces the possibility of outside interference so keep things to yourself as long as you can.
I'm glad it worked out for you! I think on average it does, but when it doesn't work out, it can cost you a lot. Thanks for sharing your experience!
Priceless advice !! I really love your honesty!
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Great advice here.
Thanks for watching & commenting!
6:31This is a vital advice.
I wish it wasn't true, but alas...
Some of the comments people are posting on my videos are getting deleted. Please let me know if this happens to you!
Here is a great comment from mchughj about this video which somehow never made it up.
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There is a lot here that I agree with. First, thank you for sharing and providing such great information regarding how to handle this difficult transition. Second, Your two primary points are spot on. Leaving is a very private decision and keep things overall positive. I will share two counter points/warnings. 1/ I once left a company where the lawyer and the HR representative (and then just me on the other side of the table) told me, "Your non-compete clause disallows you from working on cloud computing offerings and also, based on your experiences here, you cannot work on any embedded or device systems." It was almost laughable. The sum total of what they described would have disallowed me from working on almost all computing systems in the future. I said _nothing_. I didn't agree. I didn't argue. I didn't indicate acceptance. I literally just looked at them until the conversation continued beyond acceptance/denial of this point. I'm not a lawyer so what the hell do I know about any of this?! In retrospect I should have had representation in this meeting to protect myself. But it doesn't really matter. Just don't say anything - don't agree. Don't argue. I bet things will be okay. (In my case I pushed both server-side code and device code to 500 million people the month after for another company and all was well.) 2/ It is important to only share information when your future is "ironclad". BUT! If you are close to your management chain, and you care about them, then giving them a heads can be a positive thing. Yes - they are employees first, and potentially friends second. But still - you leaving could have a (professional) negative impact of them. Especially if you are an engineer who is kicking ass and viewed positively. Then, your leaving could be viewed very negatively against your manager. A simple, "I'm doing X, Y, Z and then I may consider leaving the company" is ok in this situation. It gives them the opportunity to manage up and they may appreciate your heads up very much. :) Excellent information in this video. I hope that others see this and can benefit from it.
About to quit my first job in a couple weeks, currently at MSFT. Got an offer from a really exciting startup but I'm not looking forward to breaking the news. I'm leading a couple large efforts on the team and we've also had some attrition lately so it'd another loss of tribal knowledge. However, I'm super excited for the new posistion and while the short term sucks I'm excited for the long term!
Congratulations! I've been at Microsoft four times myself, and I seem to always find something interesting enough to go back to. Glad you're going to get to try something new, hope you're ready for the startup culture shock, if you haven't done a startup before :)
Amazing video! I had one question - Do you recommend putting a month's notice right before the stocks are about to vest? For example if I give my 1 month notice at the end of March and my stocks are about to vest in mid April, would the company intervene and throw me out early to save on the vesting stocks? If so, how common is it in Big Tech?
Don't give notice until you're ready to leave anytime they want you to. If your stocks vest in a month, give your notice in a month and a day. You should still ideally give them a month's notice, but if you give notice when you're counting on future compensation, your risk of being told to leave before the magic date really goes up.
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So I finish on 10th of June, I have 20 vacation days left and I'm starting at the next job on 3th July. In my mind I have full month of salary ahead and 20 vacation days. Boss tells me maybe you can quit earlier to make him a favor. I do quit on 10th. They pay me only 10 days of vacation because it's max you can get according to the law. I was trying to be nice and got owned.
Very sorry to hear it! I hope your new job goes well!
I have a signed offer and will be resigning from my current finance job to take the new one when my bonus pays out in 6 weeks. In the interim, an extremely desirable role adjacent to my current team just opened up. Though I don't want it and I'm happy to be leaving, the optics are tough to manage, since anyone in their right mind in my seat (who was staying at the firm) would want to apply for this job. I am the clear favorite (my current job is a feeder to that job) and I'm being actively encouraged by my current (and potential future) manager to apply. How do I navigate this? I don't want to apply, interview, and accept an internal role/promotion just to leave a week or two later, but shrugging and saying "i'm not interested" is likely to be highly suspicious. I'm worried about tipping my hand before my bonus pays.
You can just say it's not the right time for you to move to that job, you've got a lot going on outside of work. Still a little suspicious, but... Also, it's fine not to apply for a job just because it's a natural growth path. I backed out of a couple different career paths in my life, including promotions, because I wanted to do what I was doing, and not move further.
Keep it private is good advice,
But, and I think the answer is don't do this, what if you want leverage when asking your boss for a promotion? Should you mention that you are feeling under appreciated and considering leaving to try to get a promotion?
I've mentioned feeling my work is undervalued in the past, but I haven't made any explicit threats about leaving. Usually the conversation winds up with my boss explaining my performance related to the rest of the people I'm evaluated against, and me going "oh...". A hint that you might leave is one way to do it, but then you have to be willing to follow up on it, which I generally haven't been.
@@TheDeliberateEngineer Yeah, I'm not sure because how do you hint it without it being interpreted as a threat? And a threat to do something if you don't get promoted probably won't help you.