Jim Cornette on Bobby Lashley Having The Ropes Break During A Match
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ส.ค. 2024
- From Episode 429 of the Jim Cornette Experience
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Just an accident overseas turned into a History lesson. This Podcast is Gold
I feel like I'm stealing Corny's money everytime I dive in his podcasts for the very valuable wrestling history lessons lol
It happens another you just don't know it cause nit talked about. Not a lesson learned.
@@snakeey3zhiphop That’s the literal definition of a lesson, learning something unknown to you previously.
@@ericgarza4125 it's happened many times though, not new.
@@snakeey3zhiphop wanna try again in English?
I have an hour commute to work… and this podcast makes the drive actually enjoyable
Same
The squared circle. Jim Cornette should have his own TV show. He's just a library of knowledge and explains stuff brilliantly. Should turn it into a filmed podcast.
Jim has literally said he's never doing video podcast 🙄
Sorry I had to say this, 'Let the Bobby hit the floor.'
Could have been sooooo bad
Somethings got to give
Boooooooo!!!!!!!!! :)
1 NOTHING WRONG WITH ME
2 NOTHING WRONG WITH ME
3 NOTHING WRONG WITH ME
@@misterwardy1972 NOTHINGS WRONG WITH BOB
NOTHING’S WRONG WITH BOB
This was the history, theory and application behind wrestling ring construction that I have been waiting for! Thank you Jim!!
Nobody talks rasslin like Jim Cornett he is one of the best minds in wrestling
that bump looked gnarly. So much respect that Bobby finished the match, he was under no obligation to continue.
Well if ur not hurt, why not continue? The bump wasn’t bad, just surprising.
@@wolfwang8464 it look like he landed neck/head first on the hardest part of the ring the apron
@@wolfwang8464 I was there and he fell on his head quite badly. The referee actually stopped the match for a few minutes whilst Zayn helped Lashley back in the ring and McIntyre went to see if Bobby was fine.
@@wolfwang8464 you can have a head injury and feel just fine. You can break bones and not realise because of adrenaline.
There are a thousand reasons why you might want to stop after taking such a bump, but since ur clearly a nerd whos never taken a real fall from doing something athletic of course you wouldnt understand that...
Bobby is a man's man
I'm glad Jim explained the "fat" corner of the WWF ring. There's been two occasions in which the ring was "fat" corner free: SummerSlam 1993 and Survivor Series 1993. The "fat" corner was prominent as fuck at WrestleMania III and Royal Rumble 1992.
The size, shape and location of the "fat corner" has changed over the years. It's been less prominent at some points, but that seems to effect the other properties of the ropes. Some of the 80's WWE rings had tremendous rope bounce whenever someone took a bump.
25 minutes about this rope break incident? Sign me the hell up!!!
Jim turned a 5 second accident to a 30 min video this is why he is the most credible the way ge remembers things from the 60s-70s like they happened yesterday is a gift
As someone who trained on cable ring ropes I really enjoyed hearing Mr cornette talk about the difference in how it feels to hit those ropes because I've tried to explain to newbies back when I used to train people that you either hit these ropes or else they will hit you so to speak
Glad he wasn’t hurt, shit looked nasty and could easily have been much worse
Saw the clip looked like he could’ve landed on his head but having that extra size pays of having that to protect himself
@@Kas58223 thankfully he had that much momentum it flung him straight over.. but yeah great reactions too just watched it, got his hands over his head real quick. Good to know he's ok
I reffed a match with Teddy Hart where the ropes broke on a lionsault attempt, and it was maybe the scariest couple seconds of my entire career. Time slowed down and I just saw flashes of Hayabusa in my head. Thankfully, he did not begin his jump and landed relatively safely, but it was a harrowing moment.
Yikes
Lies
@@robthedude4861 nope, happened at an indy fed in the bronx
That's absolutely frightening. 😳
Wish it was Teddy instead of Hayabusa
"If I wasn't so humble and lovable" Jim's self-awareness is legendary LOL!
Before I even hit play, I knew the phrase "ass over tea kettle" would be uttered at least once.
A I the only who thought guys like Nash and Big Show looked ludicrous being pinned in the WCW rings? Guys were so massive they were always within range of the ropes.🤣
I saw the clip and it looked bad, glad Lashley is okay, even McIntyre was in shock.
They need to start using cables already, don't give a damn about Vinces preferences.
I like to think McIntyre knew to hang back and let medical people check on Lashley, but he probably was shocked too.
@@maxxdahl6062 lol @ " i don't give a damn about Vinces preferences "
@@4cuttime Lol vince doesn't have to go out there every day. The talent does.
@@maxxdahl6062 lol i hear u man. I agree!
I remember when Corny had an argument with Johnny Ace about ropes vs cables when Jim was still with OVW.
THANK YOU, FUCK YOU, BYE! XD
vince-"CABLES!?!? HA! WTF DO U THINK WE ARE COMCAST!?! HO HO HO HO!!!" (Manical laughter!....
Wrestling ring construction is still one of the greatest topics untouched. Jim and Brian gave us something we have all been waiting for.
He talked about this years ago.
Brian Last is the best listener I've ever not heard. He never interrupts.
Mark Madden could take lessons from him.
@@marka.graffakasnakebitenat3736 Mark Madden makes money off of being annoying, for some reason. For people who like that sort of thing, that's the sort of thing they like.
24 minutes for a 15 second clip 😳 this gotta be good
cables are a blessing, but the first days training on them really hurt and most kids drop training after it
Ring ropes re-revisited....
I've always liked the look of classic rope ropes. Seeing the rope shape under the tape something about it just feels "right" to me, but if cables are safer by all means they should switch. They could always have covering hoses made that have the corded shape molded in.
a cable could be cored in to the center of a rope with the rope woven around it and then covered like normal for the same aesthetic
Cables have snapped before as well. These things just happen sometimes
I'm not sure how large the safety difference is if you're using new ropes on a regular basis as WWE does though. Corny's pretty much talking about smaller promotions that are going to use the same ropes over and over. WWE sometimes changes ropes over the course of a single show. Additionally, cables have their own dangers, largely related to steel cable under tension being a lot harder on the body. Mick Foley lost his ear due to over tightened cables.
@@ThePunk01 Aircraft cable is more stable than rope, but ONLY if it's never been kinked. If that happens, it completely loses it's tensile strength rating.
@@ThePunk01 When?
Fast food rings?? LMFAO!!!!!!!
I was there and it sounded like a gun going off, it was loud!
I’m glad Cornette covered this. I was going to send in a email about if the ring size has changed.
Seems to me that with the exception of lucha guys, most top wrestlers who I've heard comment on the rope vs. cable issue tend to prefer ropes. The cable is more stable but the ropes have more give and bounce and are easier on the body.
I’m not a top wrestler by any means, and wouldn’t exactly classify myself as a “lucha guy” even though I was trained by Amazing Red, but I gotta say I prefer cables to ropes for sure.
Very wrong...most guys talk shit about real ropes.
@@Rjensen2 You might have somewhat of a point with wrestlers in general because, like Jim, they spent most of their career on cables. That said, I've heard several top wrestlers with experience with both say they are pro ropes. Jim even admits here that when he was trying to get Vince to change, several top guys resisted that and that's why he didn't win.
Most guys deff prefer cables to ropes. ‘Top’ or not lol.
@@Gum_Cuzzler I know a few 'bottom' guys (😏) and yea, they LOVE themselves some cables...🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
The undertaker used to walk the rope when he did the arm move in WWF in the early/mid nineties. I knew Jim was going to mention taker while I was typing. 😄
Very interesting! Thanks for explaining why WCW and TNA looked faster and more action than WWF/E. Makes sense!
Corny's such an interesting wrestling historian.
I've always wondered if the cable vs rope issue played a part in why Brock could do the shooting star press in OVW and landed on his head in the WWE.
If I remember the story correctly, the cable ropes tore Mick Foley's ear off when he did the head tangle spot in WCW.
Yes, and they were over-tightened by the German ring crew
You would be correct, my good sir
@@georgecoley9514 Typically German
I wouldn’t be worried about Lashley unless he fell off of a building. Have you seen that guy?
He took a nasty spill could have snapped his neck
Rey mysterio got thrown off a building and was just fine. Bobby would have no problems
In fairness, I doubt falling off a building would bother Bobby too much.
@The Connected 🤣
I thought the same about Big E, and look what happened.
If it had been Rey Mysterio he would have been fine. He hits the 2nd rope.
The next time the ropes break on a wrestler, they should call Stephen P. New.
I was at a ECW house show and inbetween the first two matches they came out and tightend the ropes...i the next match balls mahony climbed up to the top the climbed down...he obviously felt something was wrong..
Anytime we tryed to make a ring in the backyard as kids the ropes were always an issue lol
Ha! Had the same problem
Ropes > cables always. Shit happens.
And it happens less with cables. Cables > ropes
The local wrestling that come through my hometown was nothing but big spring and plywood no mats on the outside just blacktop and some cables wrappped with tape for rope
Our local wrestling troupe back in south america had the majority of their matches in boxing rings. I took a bump on it and it was like WTF I cant do this anymore lol
Did you notice the first match after Drew’s rope chopping feat at Wrestlemania was the Mysterios vs Miz & Paul and the ropes seemed way too loose in that match plus all the turnbuckles stuck out at different distances into the ring. Looked like it had been a very rush job to put the ring back together. I noticed after that match all the ropes were much tighter and all the turnbuckles were back in the corners instead of being 3 foot into the ring.
There is a good video on TH-cam of the ropes breaking on the Junkyard Dog.
Just watched Steve Austin comment on his problems transitioning to WWE rings from WCW , similar to Al Snow. Plus he talked about working in the different size rings too.Great job JC.
I was at a ROH show in Chicago many years ago and during the second match they snapped one of the supports on the ring post. Sounded like a gun went off. Took an hour to fix it
Jimmy & Brian remember
October 1990 Tv Taping
Marietta Cobb County Civic Center
Bobby Eaton Vs Tracey Smothers
Running The Gauntlet Contest
Top Rope Corner Pop
I nearly went to this show as it’s only a few miles away.
First thing we were taught. I was actually in a match where the ropes broke on a couple guys.
I remember seeing Andre vs. either Bundy or Big John Studd live and afterward giving props to the ring crew for their work in making sure that ring was sturdy enough to hold these fellas.
In the 60's at Fort William Gardens in Thunder Bay a wrestler was thrown into the corner and the ring broke. The plywood sheet that the post was on had to be hammered down with nails back into place. They had to peel off the mat and the material between the matt and the plywood. The ropes were fine. The AWA would go to Thunder Bay a few times a year.
great piece to listen to.
great thumbnail 😂
So interesting. Thanks Jim.
I remember long ago reading that Rey Mysterio said he preferred the cable over the ropes too.
The ring at the Olympic Auditorium was huge.
Saw this clip earlier today and I immediately wondered what Jim's thoughts were. Good timing.
He got lucky. One guy that was recording said "that was a botch" not understanding what a botch is vs equipment failure. When I was in uscg bootcamp they have you watch line (rope) failures. Line snapping like that can remove a body part. When I was on a ship line handling and towing were two of the more dangerous operations. That fat section on the ring should be spiced not tied. I can tell by looking at it. Spicing line sucks and is time consuming.
HOGAN: "look, you had 6 sides, it only got ya so far. Now we're taking ya all the way jack! Nomore 6 sides nomore 8 sides, nomore stinkin playpen rings! This is where we shed our blood sets and tears"
Crowd: we want 6 sides!!
Undertaker blasting heavily on the ropes to run looks so badass and wouldn't look cool on cables
I've only ever been in rings with cables.
I think WWE is the only major wrestling company that still uses the real ropes. AEW, AAA, and Impact use cables because a lot of their wrestlers do a lot of springboard stuff.
Not only is this show entertaining, but Jim is a gold mine of information.
Greg the hammer Valentine said he refused going into the ropes because he thought it looked fake. I agree with him and admit I took the physics of going into the ropes for granted for years
My original trainer taught us to hold the rope rope and lean into it at an angle for this very reason. Never trust the rope enough to lean backwards on it. As you can see even at the highest level they break. Even cables and break or come loose. Jim is absolutely right. Would like to try the real ropes though.
This segment was so interesting. I just closed my eyes in my bed, and listened intently.
I feel so bad laughing so hard about this.
If I want to know how to construct a ring. I'll call Jim.
Bobby is lucky. I saw it happen to Tony Charles at Rupp Arena as a kid and it shut the show down for a while.
Just think that so many of us as kids who turned our bedroom into Starrcade or Wrestlemania are now getting an understanding of how rings are made!!
Had a buddy that had a ring in a wharehouse, must have been cable ropes, hurt like hell just running into them. Felt cool as hell to stand up on the top ropes though. Felt like Savage for a min. Lol
Interesting history of the ring. Thanks Jim.
I'm tempted to make a question of this and e-mail it -- if Chris and Lance ever talked to Jim about the bar ring that they had to use in Winnipeg shows that was so small there was practically no way NOT to have a rope break happen. Apparently Edge got to see it at some point as well if I recall his autobiography, right up to the point where it ALMOST sank into the lake when a winter reservation tour was going all Ice Road Truckers and stuff.
Unless I’m confusing this with something else, Lance referred to it as the Death Tour
If you watch the rope snap in slow motion you can see it snapped on a different corner to the 'fat' one so it was just a freak accident, nothing to do with how it was constructred. Unless it was over-tightened, which you'd imagine wouldn't be the case.
As a physics nerd, i would expect the break to happen opposite the strength (fat)
Plenty of good points on cable over roap. Only problem is there's a 3 word counterpoint that trumps all the asthetics or higher springboards in the world. Perro Aguayo Jr.
I wish him Cornette would just write How To Be A Successful Wrestling Company and Wrestler. It would be the Dead Sea scrolls of professional wrestling.
Jim's booking style doesn't really work well in today's market for wrestling, the only book jim could write is how to be an successful wrestling manager as jim is still top 3
@@lucas57048 Even Jim has admitted that when he was the booker for ROH, people HATED his style of booking.
they say you can't square a circle
but Corny can sure square a ring
Some of these thumbnails should be sold as art prints.
"I hate ropes!"
- Jim Cornette
Corny is a gold mine of knowledge.
Wild, that he’s not injured.
AND I DON'T WANNA HEAR ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CABLES.
I wonder how Chris Jericho adjusted his lionsaults in WWE after doing them in WCW for a few years?
Artwork is always top notch
Amazing video
I still like WWF/E rope ropes..keeps the wrestling tradition there whether they think they’re a wrestling show or not..
I’ve always wondered what that was called in the 80s when that huge amount of tape on the rope was. They even included that detail of the “fat corner” in the original action figure ring with the WWF logo (the one meant for the large smelly rubberized figures)
I kind of wish AEW used ropes, just to see them break on Pockets.
There is a Larry Zybyzko (sp?) match against some guy where the rope breaks on him. He takes it in such a way that he ends up staying in the ring.
Edit: Larry Zybyzko vs Larry Winters.
A guy named Bruno lives in the small ass country town my grandparents live in, he either used to or still does manage or oversees the wwe rings and their set ups. He takes wrestling rings super seriously, I wonder what his take on this is.
nice one that was fricken good man
Shout out to Lexington KY my home town !!!! Great wrestling used to happen here ! Once upon a time !!!
Should’ve been in Louisville!
@@travisheckel3788 that woulda been great too !!!! LOVE YOUR ARTWORK BROTHER !!! If you are the same guy and not a perpetrator !!! LOL !
I went To train with a wrestler friend in Montreal, I fan the ropes... they hurt like hell
I've always thought and wished there was a way to get the women in a smaller ring. It looks like they run a marathon in between the ropes
Every time they tumble out of the ring unexpectedly I am thankful the railings are so far away but those live events the railings are closer
that could have gone really really badly, thankfully he's okay and If I'm honest, the rope breaking Is a hell of a visual
AEW cables use a foam rubber tubing.
How does it make sense that faces only wrestle heels? Cornette and others have never had any kind of answer for that. Sure the big money is to build a heel vs face match, but you can’t just block face vs face and heel vs heel matches on the undercard.
This might answer your question - th-cam.com/video/os6HVtj-oLM/w-d-xo.html
It's only about 11 minutes.
Notice that he says that you don't _always_ have to have a face vs heel match, but it makes sense to have faces vs heels as a general rule for the reason he gives.
Except he’s answered it hundreds of times. Idiot. Good job ousting yourself and letting everyone know you don’t listen to the podcast but pretend like you do. Pathetic
Sami Zayn was outside the ring, so I’m assuming it was a triple threat match
No, it wasn't a triple threat match. Basically what was going on, was that Zayn came out to try and screw McIntyre out of the match with Lashley, and after the match, Lashley hit the Hurt Lock on Zayn.
I've always considered a ring as a wrestler and boxers stage.
One of these days and I told Klondike Bill this on Twitter, I would to pay him so he can make plans for me on what materials I need and the schematics to build my own ring like the ones Bill made in Jim Crockett Promotions, only Twenty by Twenty. I loved Klondike Bill's Rings other than the 18 ft square. Perhaps being a WWE fan first, I like the look of the bigger rings.
"Say it again now"
The problem with cable instead of rope is what happened to foley's ear