Anything not named Trinitron flies under the radar a bit, but these Toshiba AFs really are gold. I dig the angles on the chassis and the two tone silver looks dope imo. Like you said, very sharp picture for a shadow mask. And for the truly space-challenged they're somewhat lighter and shallower than a same size Trinitron. You got a little lucky with the nice geometry on that one! My AF isn't that perfect.
Yeah it's a crap shoot with geometry and these flat screens. I really want to find a flat with completely fucked geometry and try and fix it on video. I think pretty much all of it can be corrected. At least with a Sony.
I have a 27" which has always been mine and a 20" which I got for free. Both of them have geometry issues and I don't have the knowledge or feel comfortable working on them but I still think they're great TVs and use them pretty often. The picture quality is outstanding and the color is so beautiful and vibrant, especially on my 27". One of my buddies found a 27" and he knew that I liked mine so he got it and is also very happy with it.
Good vid Riggel. Looks like a solid set. At this point I think the conversation about the differences between the major brands/models is becoming less important than just the condition of the set. I’ve gotten 2 D-Series and both looked like ass. Just worn out. Had a couple of Sony’s. One looked great, the other terrible. Picked up a “low end” Sylvania 13” made by Funai that looks fantastic, but if I had listened to the consensus I never would have picked it up since those get dunked on so hard. It looks good because it was just some guest room set that was hardly ever used. There was a time, I guess 5-10 years ago when you were pretty much guaranteed a good pickup if the set was at least a mid-late 90s or older. But now all these sets are getting long in the tooth. A 2002 is 20 years old at this point. Damn. I don’t even bother with 90s sets anymore unless I can try them out first.
One more thing, you can actually check the hours on these Toshibas. Off the top of my head I think you hold down volume on the set and press either 6 or 9 on the remote. The hours are displayed in hexadecimal so you need to google a hex converter and that will tell you hours of use. I had 2 Toshibas, one is a 20AF46 that was an RV set and is one of my best looking sets. Had like 1500 hours on it. The other was so tired I had to max out the brightness and contrast to get it to look decent and it had buzzing speakers. Checked the hours and it was like 28,000. Laid it to rest at the local recycle center.
@@spencer6891 "Laid it to rest" haha. Yeah. You have to know when it's time to bury your dead. It took me awhile to come around to how important low hours are for image quality. I think it's one of those things where you need to be in the hobby for awhile and look at a bunch of different sets until you figure it out. I tried doing that remote trick to check the hours on my af43 and couldn't get it to work. I have to do some eldritch button inputs to even enter the service menu on that one. I think you press mute 4 times on the remote and hold it down on the last button press and then press menu on the tv. Then the letter "C" appears on the screen. Then you press menu one more time on the TV. WTF.
Just picked one of these up the other day for free as well. Same strobe affect until I ran a few games on it for a bit, seems to be good to go now. Absolute monster to move!
I got this exact model. Seen it on side of the road and i stopped by the residence and ask about it. She told me she didn't know if it worked and it was in a building on some property she bought and she let me have it. Took it home and it fired right up. Has a great picture. I was glad i got it because it rained about an hour after. 😮
You scored dude! I love finding these bad ass tvs on the curb. I never get used to it. It would be like finding a box of super nintendo games sitting on the curb. Weird that it still happens.
@@dad7275 yeah dude. You could definitely do worse. The days if finding big ass high end crts on the curb are about done. We gotta be happy with what we got at this point.
@@riggel8804 thats true. I rarely see them in the wild anymore. Well, ive got two and the last we are talking about being a backup. Couple years back i obtained a 32 inch 2003 Trinitron and that's my crt in using at the moment. Like your channel man. Keep up the great work!😁👍
Toshiba 27AF44 just sitting on OfferUp, one picture of the front and it looks immaculate, unfortunately it’s a bad seller. Too lazy to take any sample pictures at all, too lazy to answer any questions, will happily let it sit at $100 for months and the description is just “Works, No Remote”. One of my pet peeves is lazy, entitled sellers that refuse to put a single quality pic of their CRT up, refuse to even respond to thoughtful and respectful questions, and yet want $100 for their TV, no questions asked. For all I know it could have shit geometry or a weak tube or bad caps. I guess it will just have to sit there
Been watching your videos and love them all. I just got a free 24AF44 and dont know how to properly connect my PC to it. I have a pass through HDMI to component adapter but even on the BIOS screen I get a bad warbled image as though the resolution is wrong. What do you use? For reference the video card I'm using is an MSI R9 390X. Keep up the great work!
The only resolution that tv accepts is 480i/240p. You need to find a way to have your pc send that resolution to your tv. I use a sofware program called crtemudriver with an old atx graphics card and a vga to component transcoder. It's a pain to setup but works really good. There might be a better way now. I set it up like 4 years ago. Good luck.
@@riggel8804 Thank you! I'm thinking with crtemudriver as it's a windows program I have to turn on the TV after Windows loads up and not before during the BIOS screen boot. I thought the BIOS was 480i but it looks like I'm wrong so I'm going to try your method. Thanks again, I can't stop watching your videos!
Your wife is cool for not only letting you bring these CRT TVs, but also helping you move these. I had a nice Panasonic Tau that I unfortunately had to get rid of. Time for me to move out! Lol 😂
It's weird like that. I couldn't find a D series for over a year and then 3 popped up in the span of a month. Good luck. It's getting scarce out there.
I got a 14AF44 a few weeks ago and I really like it! Had really low hours at just 650 on hours! Perfect for my work from home set up to chill and play some ps2 while I got some down time! Great channel btw!
@@jonathansacci2325 I've beat all of the 8 and 16 bit Castlevania titles. I beat Castlevania Dracula X on the SNES a couple weeks ago. I held off on playing it because it got poor reviews but I really enjoyed it. I think it gets a bad rap because it gets compared to the PC Engine version which is a masterpiece. I've never played Jak and Daxter. I want to play more PS2 stuff. I think the next game I am going to play on PS2 is Gradius 5.
Great vid Riggel. Funny story, somebody just posted a Trinitron KV-27FS120 on Offerup but are delusional enough to want $300. Somebody dumped the exact same model to the curb down the street from me and it’s just been sitting there for about a week and a half now. I could technically take it if I want, although it looks pretty cakes in dirt and has some cracks (also been rained on a few times by now) but I am happy with my Zenith C27F33 model in my office.
Yea, there is a 36xbr200 in my area for $250. I offered the guy $40 for it. The price is going up on these and the quantity is going down. I would pick that one off the curb up if it's still there. Rain doesn't harm them as long as you dry them out. I saved a pc monitor from behind a dumpster in a rainstorm once. Gonna do a vid on it some time this year.
@@riggel8804 yeah Ive seen people clean them outside and inside with a garden hose, and if you let it dry out in the sun/air for a few days, it should turn on fine. If i go snatch it up ill probably just sell it for $40-$50.
I have a 27af44. I did the trick that one other person on here commented about getting the hours on the set and it worked with me and it told me it has 3300 hours on it. My only dilemma is figuring out if I should keep my sharpness at stock or take it all the way down to 0
Hello, your video is amazing, I have a 27af45 and I thought it would be my definitive set for retrogaming, but I was wrong. That wobble, flicker, interference in the dark backgrounds you show at 6:01 is very distracting. I thought it was a capcitor problem, but it's not like that, searching the internet, I realize that at least 6 people have this type of problem with the AF and nobody has found the solution. It seems to be a problem with the chroma chip. I have tried capacitors, changing cables, joining ground points etc. Do you have any information about it? Do your other tv's have that problem? were you able to solve it? Thank you very much for the video.
I see that on monitors that haven't been on for awhile. I have also seen it on other monitors where it doesn't go away. I figured it was a capacitor problem but I don't know. Good luck.
Had this exact set, it was just too damn big so let it go for 100$ , someone bought it for their 8 yr old to play duck hunt on! I really liked the picture it produced nice clarity and great scanlines.
The 43/44 thing is essentially just the yearly model number increment that Toshiba does even when there are no changes. I used to have an AF32 but I preferred my smaller AF20 and AF14 sets (two of each). Unfortunately they do share audio with another input.
I just spent the weekend moving all my monitors after a friend sold the place they were stored in and it looks like I do still have an AF32XX! I just don’t have a place for it. Drat!
@@riggel8804 I watched an BNIB unboxxing video of a 27inch toshiba before i watched yours. It showed 100% contrast was set out of the box. I thought it was weird.
@@jamesglasbergen7506 Yeah, I guess they did that so it would be bright and shiny for all the normies on the show room floor but damn...what sacrilege.
Just got this exact TV in 27” for $10, it’s a beast though had to take it from a basement up a flight of stairs into my car. Worth it though it’s a great set, running a modded wii and n64 on it currently.
I modded my son's wii couple months back and I've been having a blast with it. Beautiful games. I still can't get game cube games or virtual store games to work on it. I gave up on it for the time being.
@@riggel8804 Yeah I've not tried GC yet, not sure if they'd show up in wiiflow. But yeah, a beautiful set. I was shooting for a Trinitron buuuut...this came up, was the right price, and I'm honestly worried about being able to find a good set. Glad I got it, IMO it looks awesome and I've been reading on line its pretty highly regarded.
Either my 14AF44 or 14AF45 came from the side of the road (forget which). It was much easier to pick up, of course. ;) I just had to move my biggest 32” set since my friend sold the property where it was stored. Guess it’s time to just RGB mod all these and decide which I’m going to keep. :)
Yeah. I cut a few loose recently. I feel bad just storing them. How many crts do I really need...at least 10. Why are you rgb moddong them? Do they take component?
@@riggel8804 They take YPbPr component but the image is shifted to the side and stretched horizontally at 240p. It appears to be the Tri-Level sync issue mentioned in HD Retrovision’s “Sync Jitter” write-up even though that is only supposed to apply to HDTVs. It does it on every Toshiba Colorstream CRT I’ve ever seen. Perhaps it’s worse for consoles with Sync Jitter (NESRGB/SNES) but I dunno. A typical 240p game will have important elements pushed off the left and right sides… more than typical overscan. Because it’s horizontally stretched you can’t correct it with centering controls alone.
@@emmettturner9452 I use my Toshibas with component all the time and I have never noticed a centering/geometry issue. I use multiple rgb to component transcoders with no problem. You might want to try one of the ones I use. The only one I can remember off the top of my head is the retrotink rgb to comp. It works with all rgb consoles. I've also used wii and ps2 component output with no problem. I suspect something is suspect with the hd retro vision cables. I have never been a fan of those.
@@riggel8804 It’s not the cables. It’s sync jitter from the consoles with 240p in the Colorstream input. Definitely check out the article because they explain it very well with oscilloscope animations and everything. I do have the revised cables as well as a suite of RGB and Extron equipment. Even an SNES with the YPbPr-capable encoder and a custom cable will do this on a late Toshiba CRT with Colorstream YPbPr inputs. The Toshiba Colorstream inputs sync off the rising edge of the sync pulse instead of the falling edge as defined by SMPTE-170M and CEA-770-2.D. The rising edge is jittery on certain consoles like NES and SNES since the display equipment is supposed to be referencing the more-consistent falling edge anyway. Alas, HD YPbPr component uses a different kind of sync called “Tri-Level Sync,” which is more noise-resistant but lazy video circuit engineers just switched to using the rising edge for all resolutions as a shortcut to supporting both. No need to detect the resolution and special-case anything… as long as those 15khz sources don’t have jittery rising edges on the sync. Syncing off the rising edge is correct for HD YPbPr component but not for 240p/480i YPbPr component. Not supposed to do it for 480p either but most HDTVs do. Try Final Fantasy V with the RGB2YPbPr transcoder and an unmodified SNES (no DeJitter mod). NESRGB has built-in DeJitter but it used to have the same problem.
@@emmettturner9452 I don't know bro. Most of that is over my head. I got 2 color stream tvs and haven't noticed anything however I almost never use original hardware anymore. I'm using the MiSTer and crtemudriver. I might have never used an original snes with my toshiba.
Another thing I learned, NEVER use ebay to purchase CRTs. Everything is an overpriced ripoff and delivery costs make it a bad choice. I see alot of cheap RF only low end CRTs running for hundreds.
I used eBay locally to find my grail Sony PVM-14L5 and a $97 Panasonic(PVM) BT-H1390Y easily the sharpest CRT I own on eBay locally. Try different settings on your eBay approach.
@@RetrofIex local ewaste usually run some type of eBay for most of what’s in decent condition, it turns out most of the time they can’t keep up with it. I live in the Bay Area and I’m very fortunate to not have a shortage of CRTs in on the street or local ewaste. Best of luck to your hunt!
I can keep about 13 crts. I think I got 6 Big bois right now and 13 total. I tried giving them away but there are a lot of homeless drug addicts in my area that harvest crts for the copper. I had one disturbing phone call and just started taking them to the dump. I've sold a couple. Sold my xbr48 for $100.
@@riggel8804 I don't even bother trying to give them away. even poor people look at you funny when you offer them CRTs. LOL. I honstley believe that the only people who appreciate CRTs are retro geeks. I find more listings for old school wood grain stuff for antique collectors in my area.
@@segatasankuro I always thought it would be cool to swap the tube out on a wood grain TV with a Sony Wega tube but it's not practical for me. Like you said, people usually want real money for those wood grain console tvs. Also, those are meant to be placed on the ground in a living room which definitely doesn't work with my setup. I remember sitting down on the carpet in front of those as a kid wood grain tvs as a kid.
@@riggel8804 not really any difference that I can tell. I saw that MLIG and Game Sack had these CRTs with the tally light. I got it free off FB and Craigslist and I never had to change any settings for the classic games I play.
@@riggel8804 I think low definition 16:9 is the best way to play Wii. Don't overlook Sin & Punishment Star Successor -- I think this might be the most unique game on the system that makes intuitive use of the motion controls; its like having your own Time Crisis arcade. I have Resident Evil 4 in my queue as well.
@@drewirons2646 I have a wii and I've fired it up a couple times. It is absolutely gorgeous on a crt. I think the games run in 480 i and not 240p but they still look amazing. I have trouble getting into the games on the system though. I got bored playing lugi's mansion and the couple other games I tried. The hacking scene on the wii looks awesome and I would like to get into that someday. Thanks for the game recommendation. I know that Mark MSX speaks highly of Sin and Punishment as well.
@@riggel8804 that's right, its primarily 480i. However, the native virtual console and retroarch can do 240p, although you would probably rather play on original hardware. I imagine there are some hacks that can get 240p output for certain games sine the system technically supports it. One thing that sucks is Mega Man 9 and 10 (probably my favorites on the system) are 480i 4:3 ONLY, no 480p support, and I heard the modern ports also aren't scaled correctly. I did see someone use the retrotink pro to deinterlace MM9 an display in 240p, so theres always that option.
@@drewirons2646 I've found that games designed to play at 480i look just fine. I think the 480i got a bad rap because of poor arcade ports, primarily on the ps2, that run 240p games at 480i. Those games look really bad. On the other hand Mario Galaxy on the wii is beautiful.
Anything not named Trinitron flies under the radar a bit, but these Toshiba AFs really are gold. I dig the angles on the chassis and the two tone silver looks dope imo. Like you said, very sharp picture for a shadow mask. And for the truly space-challenged they're somewhat lighter and shallower than a same size Trinitron.
You got a little lucky with the nice geometry on that one! My AF isn't that perfect.
Yeah it's a crap shoot with geometry and these flat screens. I really want to find a flat with completely fucked geometry and try and fix it on video. I think pretty much all of it can be corrected. At least with a Sony.
I have a 27" which has always been mine and a 20" which I got for free. Both of them have geometry issues and I don't have the knowledge or feel comfortable working on them but I still think they're great TVs and use them pretty often. The picture quality is outstanding and the color is so beautiful and vibrant, especially on my 27". One of my buddies found a 27" and he knew that I liked mine so he got it and is also very happy with it.
Good vid Riggel. Looks like a solid set. At this point I think the conversation about the differences between the major brands/models is becoming less important than just the condition of the set. I’ve gotten 2 D-Series and both looked like ass. Just worn out. Had a couple of Sony’s. One looked great, the other terrible. Picked up a “low end” Sylvania 13” made by Funai that looks fantastic, but if I had listened to the consensus I never would have picked it up since those get dunked on so hard. It looks good because it was just some guest room set that was hardly ever used. There was a time, I guess 5-10 years ago when you were pretty much guaranteed a good pickup if the set was at least a mid-late 90s or older. But now all these sets are getting long in the tooth. A 2002 is 20 years old at this point. Damn. I don’t even bother with 90s sets anymore unless I can try them out first.
One more thing, you can actually check the hours on these Toshibas. Off the top of my head I think you hold down volume on the set and press either 6 or 9 on the remote. The hours are displayed in hexadecimal so you need to google a hex converter and that will tell you hours of use. I had 2 Toshibas, one is a 20AF46 that was an RV set and is one of my best looking sets. Had like 1500 hours on it. The other was so tired I had to max out the brightness and contrast to get it to look decent and it had buzzing speakers. Checked the hours and it was like 28,000. Laid it to rest at the local recycle center.
@@spencer6891 "Laid it to rest" haha. Yeah. You have to know when it's time to bury your dead.
It took me awhile to come around to how important low hours are for image quality. I think it's one of those things where you need to be in the hobby for awhile and look at a bunch of different sets until you figure it out.
I tried doing that remote trick to check the hours on my af43 and couldn't get it to work. I have to do some eldritch button inputs to even enter the service menu on that one. I think you press mute 4 times on the remote and hold it down on the last button press and then press menu on the tv. Then the letter "C" appears on the screen. Then you press menu one more time on the TV. WTF.
Just picked one of these up the other day for free as well. Same strobe affect until I ran a few games on it for a bit, seems to be good to go now.
Absolute monster to move!
Awesome video I game on a Toshiba and love its a 32AF45 I really like the scanlines
People are sleeping on these Toshibas in the states.
I got this exact model. Seen it on side of the road and i stopped by the residence and ask about it. She told me she didn't know if it worked and it was in a building on some property she bought and she let me have it. Took it home and it fired right up. Has a great picture. I was glad i got it because it rained about an hour after. 😮
You scored dude! I love finding these bad ass tvs on the curb. I never get used to it. It would be like finding a box of super nintendo games sitting on the curb. Weird that it still happens.
@@riggel8804 yea it caught my eye immediately! I was hoping it would be a 36 inch but hey, 32 inch is the next best thing.
@@dad7275 yeah dude. You could definitely do worse. The days if finding big ass high end crts on the curb are about done. We gotta be happy with what we got at this point.
@@riggel8804 thats true. I rarely see them in the wild anymore. Well, ive got two and the last we are talking about being a backup. Couple years back i obtained a 32 inch 2003 Trinitron and that's my crt in using at the moment. Like your channel man. Keep up the great work!😁👍
Toshiba 27AF44 just sitting on OfferUp, one picture of the front and it looks immaculate, unfortunately it’s a bad seller. Too lazy to take any sample pictures at all, too lazy to answer any questions, will happily let it sit at $100 for months and the description is just “Works, No Remote”. One of my pet peeves is lazy, entitled sellers that refuse to put a single quality pic of their CRT up, refuse to even respond to thoughtful and respectful questions, and yet want $100 for their TV, no questions asked. For all I know it could have shit geometry or a weak tube or bad caps. I guess it will just have to sit there
i would pass, I think most 27 inchers have orion tubes in them anyway. Although I saw a pic of one 27 incher with a Toshiba tube.
Been watching your videos and love them all. I just got a free 24AF44 and dont know how to properly connect my PC to it. I have a pass through HDMI to component adapter but even on the BIOS screen I get a bad warbled image as though the resolution is wrong. What do you use? For reference the video card I'm using is an MSI R9 390X.
Keep up the great work!
The only resolution that tv accepts is 480i/240p. You need to find a way to have your pc send that resolution to your tv. I use a sofware program called crtemudriver with an old atx graphics card and a vga to component transcoder. It's a pain to setup but works really good. There might be a better way now. I set it up like 4 years ago. Good luck.
@@riggel8804 Thank you! I'm thinking with crtemudriver as it's a windows program I have to turn on the TV after Windows loads up and not before during the BIOS screen boot. I thought the BIOS was 480i but it looks like I'm wrong so I'm going to try your method. Thanks again, I can't stop watching your videos!
Your wife is cool for not only letting you bring these CRT TVs, but also helping you move these. I had a nice Panasonic Tau that I unfortunately had to get rid of. Time for me to move out! Lol 😂
women hate crts.
I've been on the hunt for a Toshiba with component but haven't seen any in my area
It's weird like that. I couldn't find a D series for over a year and then 3 popped up in the span of a month. Good luck. It's getting scarce out there.
Is there anyway to soften the scanlines? They're harsh on my N64!
use composite
These are great sets. I have a 27" and a 13" from around the same time. 480i "ColorStream" component input and everything.
What is up with that "color stream" branding? Marketing gimmick?
@@riggel8804 yeah, probably just an attempt to attach their branding to something
I got a 14AF44 a few weeks ago and I really like it! Had really low hours at just 650 on hours! Perfect for my work from home set up to chill and play some ps2 while I got some down time! Great channel btw!
Thanks man. What games you playing? I just finished with Shinobi Arcade and I'm looking for another game.
@@riggel8804 Been going through the Jak and Daxter series. After that I think I am going to go through some Castlevania titles
@@jonathansacci2325 I've beat all of the 8 and 16 bit Castlevania titles. I beat Castlevania Dracula X on the SNES a couple weeks ago. I held off on playing it because it got poor reviews but I really enjoyed it. I think it gets a bad rap because it gets compared to the PC Engine version which is a masterpiece.
I've never played Jak and Daxter. I want to play more PS2 stuff. I think the next game I am going to play on PS2 is Gradius 5.
Great vid Riggel. Funny story, somebody just posted a Trinitron KV-27FS120 on Offerup but are delusional enough to want $300. Somebody dumped the exact same model to the curb down the street from me and it’s just been sitting there for about a week and a half now. I could technically take it if I want, although it looks pretty cakes in dirt and has some cracks (also been rained on a few times by now) but I am happy with my Zenith C27F33 model in my office.
Yea, there is a 36xbr200 in my area for $250. I offered the guy $40 for it. The price is going up on these and the quantity is going down.
I would pick that one off the curb up if it's still there. Rain doesn't harm them as long as you dry them out. I saved a pc monitor from behind a dumpster in a rainstorm once. Gonna do a vid on it some time this year.
@@riggel8804 yeah Ive seen people clean them outside and inside with a garden hose, and if you let it dry out in the sun/air for a few days, it should turn on fine. If i go snatch it up ill probably just sell it for $40-$50.
@@RetrofIex Never know you might like it more than your Zenith. It's good to have a backup too....but I'm bias. I got like 6 Sonys.
I have a 27af44. I did the trick that one other person on here commented about getting the hours on the set and it worked with me and it told me it has 3300 hours on it. My only dilemma is figuring out if I should keep my sharpness at stock or take it all the way down to 0
I tried to check the hours on mine too but I couldn't get it to work. I probably need a different button input for my tv.
Hey I got a 27af44 about 10 months ago which had 3500 hours on it. Pretty happy with it. I disabled the edge enhancement and it looks a lot better now
I want one of these . I have the 20 inch orion tube one which is great looking but would really love to get one of these sets.
What game is that at 11:20?
outrun ps2. i recomend
Hello, your video is amazing, I have a 27af45 and I thought it would be my definitive set for retrogaming, but I was wrong.
That wobble, flicker, interference in the dark backgrounds you show at 6:01 is very distracting. I thought it was a capcitor problem, but it's not like that, searching the internet, I realize that at least 6 people have this type of problem with the AF and nobody has found the solution.
It seems to be a problem with the chroma chip.
I have tried capacitors, changing cables, joining ground points etc.
Do you have any information about it? Do your other tv's have that problem? were you able to solve it? Thank you very much for the video.
I see that on monitors that haven't been on for awhile. I have also seen it on other monitors where it doesn't go away. I figured it was a capacitor problem but I don't know. Good luck.
looks very nice for sd crt.
component is also a nice feature
Had this exact set, it was just too damn big so let it go for 100$ , someone bought it for their 8 yr old to play duck hunt on! I really liked the picture it produced nice clarity and great scanlines.
Duck hunt has got to be my 6 year olds favorite game. Kids love that shit.
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The 43/44 thing is essentially just the yearly model number increment that Toshiba does even when there are no changes. I used to have an AF32 but I preferred my smaller AF20 and AF14 sets (two of each). Unfortunately they do share audio with another input.
cool thanks
I just spent the weekend moving all my monitors after a friend sold the place they were stored in and it looks like I do still have an AF32XX! I just don’t have a place for it. Drat!
I have a 2006 24AF46 model Toshiba tv
cool
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that 100% constrast setting is factory.
wack.
@@riggel8804 I watched an BNIB unboxxing video of a 27inch toshiba before i watched yours. It showed 100% contrast was set out of the box. I thought it was weird.
@@jamesglasbergen7506 Yeah, I guess they did that so it would be bright and shiny for all the normies on the show room floor but damn...what sacrilege.
Great description of the TV and I love your choice of game at the end 🚗💨 👍🏼
The Outrun remake is one of my favorite remakes.
What kind of cable you use for your snes ? Thanks you
dirt cheap thrift store rca cables and a rgb to component transcoder
Just got this exact TV in 27” for $10, it’s a beast though had to take it from a basement up a flight of stairs into my car. Worth it though it’s a great set, running a modded wii and n64 on it currently.
I modded my son's wii couple months back and I've been having a blast with it. Beautiful games. I still can't get game cube games or virtual store games to work on it. I gave up on it for the time being.
@@riggel8804 Yeah I've not tried GC yet, not sure if they'd show up in wiiflow. But yeah, a beautiful set. I was shooting for a Trinitron buuuut...this came up, was the right price, and I'm honestly worried about being able to find a good set. Glad I got it, IMO it looks awesome and I've been reading on line its pretty highly regarded.
@@TeamGun It's just as good as a Trinitron imo. You really can't do any better.
@@riggel8804 Thanks brother
Either my 14AF44 or 14AF45 came from the side of the road (forget which). It was much easier to pick up, of course. ;) I just had to move my biggest 32” set since my friend sold the property where it was stored. Guess it’s time to just RGB mod all these and decide which I’m going to keep. :)
Yeah. I cut a few loose recently. I feel bad just storing them. How many crts do I really need...at least 10.
Why are you rgb moddong them? Do they take component?
@@riggel8804
They take YPbPr component but the image is shifted to the side and stretched horizontally at 240p. It appears to be the Tri-Level sync issue mentioned in HD Retrovision’s “Sync Jitter” write-up even though that is only supposed to apply to HDTVs. It does it on every Toshiba Colorstream CRT I’ve ever seen. Perhaps it’s worse for consoles with Sync Jitter (NESRGB/SNES) but I dunno.
A typical 240p game will have important elements pushed off the left and right sides… more than typical overscan. Because it’s horizontally stretched you can’t correct it with centering controls alone.
@@emmettturner9452 I use my Toshibas with component all the time and I have never noticed a centering/geometry issue. I use multiple rgb to component transcoders with no problem. You might want to try one of the ones I use. The only one I can remember off the top of my head is the retrotink rgb to comp. It works with all rgb consoles. I've also used wii and ps2 component output with no problem. I suspect something is suspect with the hd retro vision cables. I have never been a fan of those.
@@riggel8804
It’s not the cables. It’s sync jitter from the consoles with 240p in the Colorstream input. Definitely check out the article because they explain it very well with oscilloscope animations and everything. I do have the revised cables as well as a suite of RGB and Extron equipment. Even an SNES with the YPbPr-capable encoder and a custom cable will do this on a late Toshiba CRT with Colorstream YPbPr inputs.
The Toshiba Colorstream inputs sync off the rising edge of the sync pulse instead of the falling edge as defined by SMPTE-170M and CEA-770-2.D. The rising edge is jittery on certain consoles like NES and SNES since the display equipment is supposed to be referencing the more-consistent falling edge anyway. Alas, HD YPbPr component uses a different kind of sync called “Tri-Level Sync,” which is more noise-resistant but lazy video circuit engineers just switched to using the rising edge for all resolutions as a shortcut to supporting both. No need to detect the resolution and special-case anything… as long as those 15khz sources don’t have jittery rising edges on the sync.
Syncing off the rising edge is correct for HD YPbPr component but not for 240p/480i YPbPr component. Not supposed to do it for 480p either but most HDTVs do. Try Final Fantasy V with the RGB2YPbPr transcoder and an unmodified SNES (no DeJitter mod). NESRGB has built-in DeJitter but it used to have the same problem.
@@emmettturner9452 I don't know bro. Most of that is over my head. I got 2 color stream tvs and haven't noticed anything however I almost never use original hardware anymore. I'm using the MiSTer and crtemudriver. I might have never used an original snes with my toshiba.
Another thing I learned, NEVER use ebay to purchase CRTs. Everything is an overpriced ripoff and delivery costs make it a bad choice. I see alot of cheap RF only low end CRTs running for hundreds.
I used eBay locally to find my grail Sony PVM-14L5 and a $97 Panasonic(PVM) BT-H1390Y easily the sharpest CRT I own on eBay locally. Try different settings on your eBay approach.
@@saltymanos probably just bad luck in my local area. In seeing alot of junk crts for too much. Ill just have to be patient
@@RetrofIex local ewaste usually run some type of eBay for most of what’s in decent condition, it turns out most of the time they can’t keep up with it. I live in the Bay Area and I’m very fortunate to not have a shortage of CRTs in on the street or local ewaste. Best of luck to your hunt!
Yea dude. I'm all about facebook marketplace and craigslist. Got to be ready to make a drive.
How many of these big CRTs do you keep in your collection at any giving moment? It seems that you have a good way to get rid of excess TVs
I can keep about 13 crts. I think I got 6 Big bois right now and 13 total. I tried giving them away but there are a lot of homeless drug addicts in my area that harvest crts for the copper. I had one disturbing phone call and just started taking them to the dump. I've sold a couple. Sold my xbr48 for $100.
@@riggel8804 I don't even bother trying to give them away. even poor people look at you funny when you offer them CRTs. LOL. I honstley believe that the only people who appreciate CRTs are retro geeks. I find more listings for old school wood grain stuff for antique collectors in my area.
@@segatasankuro I always thought it would be cool to swap the tube out on a wood grain TV with a Sony Wega tube but it's not practical for me. Like you said, people usually want real money for those wood grain console tvs. Also, those are meant to be placed on the ground in a living room which definitely doesn't work with my setup.
I remember sitting down on the carpet in front of those as a kid wood grain tvs as a kid.
Nice get. Any thoughts and/or noticeable differences with the 32AF41?
The AF41 looked sharper to my eye. however, I didn't give the 44 much of a chance before taking it to the dump.
@@riggel8804 thanks! and wait so you tossed the tv featured in this vid into the dump?
@@redeemer5628 ye
@@riggel8804 hahah for sure. just curious why? you seemed to give it a great review in the video
@@redeemer5628 too many crts. felt bad about tossing that one. It is a bad ass crt.
I have an AF44 and AF45 20” and 27”
Notice any major differences?
@@riggel8804 not really any difference that I can tell. I saw that MLIG and Game Sack had these CRTs with the tally light. I got it free off FB and Craigslist and I never had to change any settings for the classic games I play.
@@bjeezy831 coo
Use that 16:9 setting for Wii games -- its awesome.
Hadn't thought of that. Good idea.
@@riggel8804 I think low definition 16:9 is the best way to play Wii. Don't overlook Sin & Punishment Star Successor -- I think this might be the most unique game on the system that makes intuitive use of the motion controls; its like having your own Time Crisis arcade. I have Resident Evil 4 in my queue as well.
@@drewirons2646 I have a wii and I've fired it up a couple times. It is absolutely gorgeous on a crt. I think the games run in 480 i and not 240p but they still look amazing.
I have trouble getting into the games on the system though. I got bored playing lugi's mansion and the couple other games I tried.
The hacking scene on the wii looks awesome and I would like to get into that someday.
Thanks for the game recommendation. I know that Mark MSX speaks highly of Sin and Punishment as well.
@@riggel8804 that's right, its primarily 480i. However, the native virtual console and retroarch can do 240p, although you would probably rather play on original hardware. I imagine there are some hacks that can get 240p output for certain games sine the system technically supports it.
One thing that sucks is Mega Man 9 and 10 (probably my favorites on the system) are 480i 4:3 ONLY, no 480p support, and I heard the modern ports also aren't scaled correctly. I did see someone use the retrotink pro to deinterlace MM9 an display in 240p, so theres always that option.
@@drewirons2646 I've found that games designed to play at 480i look just fine. I think the 480i got a bad rap because of poor arcade ports, primarily on the ps2, that run 240p games at 480i. Those games look really bad. On the other hand Mario Galaxy on the wii is beautiful.