This it must be after the 1988 HD CRT TV that came out which only had 1080i, 720 didn't exist back then. My 88kg beast is only 480i but still bloody decent!!!
@@markus19999 Yes it does- the bummer of course is that the PS4 as near as I can tell can’t output analog video. It’s all about the quality of the conversion from digital to analog, and I don’t feel like I have a particularly good pure converter. PS3 analog at 1080i looks very good though.
1080i is pretty close to native resolution in MUSE, it shows 1035 visible interleaved lines after all, it can just dump a few out of screen and it's good to go, tho I wouldn't doubt it being able to show all 1080 either being a newer model. The MUSE signal itself is absolutely weird, a sort of digital + analog combination that somehow has 4 interleaving stages. I think if you want to see native MUSE signals, your best bet would be a Japanese W-VHS deck, that or a Hi-Vision LD player but that would likely be even harder to get working.
We used to have have a bigger one that had one. And a we also had one of those large projection TV's that had one. I remember hooking my 360 up to them with an HDMI cable for the first time. And being absolutely blown away
The remote goes up to 15 because most Japanese TV viewers do so via terrestrial broadcasts and pretty much everywhere I’ve been in Japan, stations tend to broadcast within the first 15 channels. This lets you get to any channel with a single button press.
So that’s why! Wild- thanks for letting me know! The 12 also doubles as the “enter” key when saving settings in the system calibration osd. Is that standard on older JDM CRTs too?
I think it's also because the satellites used for analog DBS broadcasting in Japan had 15 transponders (though more than half were used for feeds, not broadcasting, and I think they were spaced in a way to not require the TV to switch the LNB polarity). The VHF bandplan in Japan has 12 channels, and even today most Japanese TV remotes go from 1 to 12.
Amazing, that's such a gem. So rare that it should never be destroyed or recycled. It's a technology that will never be made again, the definition of a museum piece :)
My buddy I served with was stationed in Japan. I bought the TV from him in 2008 for $100 to play all my retro games on. My son now uses it to stream cartoons and play his original xbox I modded. We dont have the remote. I was able to get an old universal remote working and with google translate I made a small guide on the settings. Its great to see this TV being talked about. I still have my old Toshiba HD 32" Tubed TV, First TV I ever bought myself. But the power supply went poof and its setting in a storage unit.
Wait you have the HD Toshiba set 👀. I have a 26" Widescreen Toshiba set that I use. I have been looking for an HD Toshiba set for awhile but the issue is shipping and getting it in my house. They are heavy. I like to fix old crts but those last generation models before companies stopped making them are kind of complex to work on because they have so much stuff stuffed into them compared to like an old set from 1995.
A version of this exact set was actually sold in the US for $9k in 1998, under the model number KW-34HD1, just without the Muse / Hi-Vision functionality. For whatever reason, it also didn't include the VGA port on the front.
I've seen that one mentioned lately! It really does look identical, though missing major chunks of the feature set. So wild! I should look at the manual for it, I wonder if it mentions the PS1 too.
Speaking of MUSE or Hi-vision. I remember NHK had a dedicated channel named BSHi (NHKデジタル衛星ハイビジョン, translated into NHK Digital Satellite High Vision) to broadcast Hi-Vision programs between 2000 to 2007. Before that NHK tried to broadcast Hi-Vision signals in High Vision Broadcast on channel 9 (ハイビジョン試験放送). The program that was shown in HD the most was Kohaku Uta Gassen (NHK紅白歌合戦, translated into NHK Red and White singing contest), which was from 1989 and onwards.
@@claise09 Yes it is. I just looked up some clips from the past. The earliest I could find was back in 1985 of the Kohaku Uta Gassen. The difference with 1080p today is back then MUSE has 1035 active interlaced lines.
Honestly I’m just shocked there isn’t a video about one of these somewhere else. This is any other HiVision model, given the popularity of the Muse Laserdisc content out there.
In 2000, I was able to get ahold of a Sony Japanese 16:9 TV through my workplace.We had a lot of analog A/V equipment for home media demos and rather than recycle or dispose of the gear my manager was able to arrange an extended "loan". The TV was a PowerWide labeled model so from around 1995 or 1996 and was capable of up to 480p display. The 480p capability was handy for those Dreamcast and original Xbox games that supported. By 2006, I had upgraded to a Sony RPTV and gave the Sony PowerWide TV to a friend. I never checked in to so see what happened with it. I imagine it would be a collector's item now.
I question whether this one is or not- it’s certainly a fascinating dinosaur but I don’t know if anyone is really collecting these actively. I think they’re just too hard to get from place to place.
. @nhansgoofyvideos7581 He will add it to his collection. There is a youtube channel where this guy has walls of Trinitrons he has restored. Calls it the Trinitron museum
The reason light guns don't work properly with 240p/480i content is that the TV line doubles them digitally to raise the horizontal frequency to 31.5 kHz, close to the horizontal frequency of 1035i. Making a large CRT work across greatly differing horizontal frequencies was difficult for a number of reasons, not the least dealing with the electrical properties of the deflection coils. The line doubling not only throws off the horizontal detection for the light gun completely , but the delay from the line doubling throws off vertical detection as well a bit.
That could had been avoided using a line buffer instead of a frame buffer. VGA does that thing with video modes lower than 400 lines, it line doubles them. 320x200 mode 13h is actually 320x400. Instead of a frame of lag, you'd have a scanline or two of lag. It was purely an oversight, seeing that OSSC line doubling mitigates the issue.
Hey thanks! I tend to do videos off and on - I'm not as consistent as the folks who do it full time. I need to start figuring out what I'll do a video about next, I guess!
I remember the excitement I felt when I saw my first HiVison TV at an electronics store when I was in elementary school. I wanted to have such a TV in my home. At the time, HiVision was broadcast on a satellite channel, but I could not watch it on our NTSC TV. HiVision TVs were expensive, so our TV was a wide-screen TV with a built-in M-N(Muse-NTSC) converter . (The picture quality is not HiVision). Later, digital broadcasting started and LCD flat-panel TVs were introduced, allowing us to enjoy TV in high-definition HDTV. However, I feel the picture quality of CRT HiVisions seemed to be better.
I once scored a 27" Sony FV310 off Craigslist for 20 bucks. It's not quite in the same league as this television, but for standard-def content, it looks amazing.
I may after getting some other testing things squared. Audio is pretty subjective, but the sound quality is fairly excellent. I find speakers in TVs to frequently sound kind of "boxed" and muffled, but this one is really well tuned. The audio showstopper is the subwoofer though- I can't believe how tight and impactful it is. Genuinely directionless, you wouldn't know it's within the TV unless you hunted around for a bit.
mann i went to a friends house long long ago when i was a kid, this was his TV his dad worked in japan, never thought twice about it, never knew it was top of the line back in the day
Most interesting Sony set. Never saw one of those or even a picture of one. I have been a “Sony TV only” guy since my 3 bedroom house was built in 1984. All rooms including the master bath have a Sony TV, all on a master antenna system. Not that I really use any except the 20” CTR hung in my shop. As time progressed I upgraded some sets to newer Sony CRT sets. Last CRT I bought was a 32” XBR2, it has built in 8 ohm surround spkr outputs as well and a whole lot of inputs and outputs. The set probably has 100 hrs use maximum since new, and it isn’t used now as I’m rarely in that room. A much newer 40” Sony hangs in my kitchen dining area now, it gets most use, primarily TH-cam thru a 4k Roku player, which is how I’m viewing your channel. I see a small high resolution CRT monitor on the left in your garage 😃 I have a similar one. Great to come across your channel.
Correct- that all happens internally. Unfortunately, I have no way of testing it as I do not have a MUSE laserdisc player. I did, however, put this television in my office in a full "retro" setup and I will post a video soon about living with it as a primary display. It seemed like that was what most people really wanted to see.
My grandparents have a massive CRT that looks very similar to that. Nice memories of watching cartoons on it. It looks extremely similar to this so I wouldn't be surprised if it is a very close or the same model. Next time I visit them, I'll definitely try to get as much information on it as possible. Maybe this will turn up something good?
Thats what i love about my huge trinny, the subwoofer in the back and the 4 speakers inside, the sound is incredible, it rattles my sofa when we watch movies on it, such a different experience compared to our modern TV. This one you found looks amazing for modern consoles via component 😍
I’m honestly just glad it wasn’t tossed. I genuinely hope there are more of these out there, and eventually I’d like to run more tests on it. I’ve been talking to some people about various resolution tests and hope to perform those later today.
@@dorfus yeah! if i were ever lucky to find a MUSE CRT out in the wild, i'd put down a loan just to hire body builders to help me carry it to my house lmao
Hey Dorfus, just want to say a HUGE thank you for your videos on this TV, and and an even bigger thanks for sharing the method to enter the service menu! I managed to get my hands on a very similar rare model (KW-32HD5) and its an absolute beauty! It's multiformat and it has VGA and all, but its also a curved screen so quite unique in that regard. Your videos on this TV inspired me to pursue the difficult endeavor of getting my hands on one of these rare beasts, and with a lot of good fortune I managed to succeed. However the TV I got has pretty bad geometry unfortunately so iv been trying to find the service menu code to try to fix it and almost gave up hope, but I came to your video again and to my delight found it in the description and it worked! :D only issue now is to understand what the hell im doing in these menus, there seems to be a LOT of parameters and theyr all written in 4 letter codes so I'm scared to mess something up. Iv done service menu geometry tweaking on a Panasonic CRT before, but there was only a handful of settings on that and it was pretty straight forward compared to this one. Do you have any advice on how I mite approach this? Is there a guide of some kind that explains what each setting does? Thanks again man!
Hey! Yeah, the codes are really tricky to figure out. The one you have to avoid at all costs is "AGE" which basically burns in the TV, and will reduce its lifespan. I generally followed a list I found on Neo Geo.com's forums, it's fairly old. I'll post them below this comment. Many are different, but you can find similar ones or nearly identical ones in your TV hopefully.
@@dorfus Thats really helpful thanks man! and thanks for the heads up regarding the AGE setting, what a weird thing to exist although im sure it has its purpose 😅 by the way I discovered chatGPT can give pretty detailed explanations for each of the service menu parameters and what they do in case its helpful to you in the future.
@@dorfus Haha yea true. I'm definitely not blinding trusting it, but just using to get some insight with none to go by otherwise and it's accuracy has been pretty convincing so far, at least with the basic stuff. I'm definitely playing it safe though and only tweaking the things I'm absolutely sure of 😅
Thanks! I've been meaning to make more of these- it seems like a shame to not document interesting things like this. If it were to suddenly stop working, I don't think there would be any record of what it could do.
I did just notice the Dreamcast shell cracked though, near the power light. These modern re-shells really aren’t as durable as the ones we had years ago, unfortunately!
@@dorfus it is true,older things tend to last longer. I didn't even noticed that shell crack of how gorgeous that thing is,is like the fault itself its part of it.😅
I wish I had this tv! Mine is just a 40inch 16:9 SD CRT tv. It weighs 88KG and has stereo speakers, RGB component input, S-video/SVHS input, composite I can't remember if it has scart or other inputs for video but it does have optical audio and headphone 3.5mm input for audio as well as the white and red for composite audio. The features on the remote are pretty decent for a budget CRT like this! I bought it in 2006 new from Kmart! LCDs were taking off but they were expensive and looked like crap for viewing angles so I bought this one. Good decision even though everyone for years said 'why don't I just throw it out?' It still works perfectly to this day!!! Those LCD tvs they had were thrown out over a decade and a half ago, cheapo shite technology LCD was/is. So bad at playing older tech on them too you NEED a CRT to get accurate quality of the source material...lol
40 inches is crazy huge for a crt! I think this one weighs something similar- it’s almost impossible to move. Also wild that yours is from nearly 10 years after this one!
Amazing find. It reminds me of the KV-36XBR400 I used to have. It also had a built in subwoofer, if I recall correctly. I also miss my 1985 20' Quasar DynaColor TV/monitor. I've never been able to find any info on that. It was quite high-tier for old consoles, VHS and fullscreen DVD.
Nice TV. The colour accuracy looks amazing for a TV that old. I thought there maybe some colour differential differences, like maybe the colours not being uniform on the screen, but it looks amazing here. Personally, I am not a fan of CRT and would of definitely passed it by, but I am really glad that someone is able to enjoy it. I also really like the fact that the back was almost flat and not like most tubes which jut out of the back line a cone.
I remember borriowing a ps3 from a friend of mine to play GTA 4, we had this masive sony CRT at the time, and i beat all of GTA 4 on it, then sometime later i played gta4 on pc with a early gen pc flat monitor, had taken out mydouble crt setup (i still fricking miss them) and i could swear the game looked worse even though running higher resolution and graphics then ps3 did, and i had a top end PC at the time, but i just told myself i must be mis remembering. Now years later seeing all the videos of last gen CRT's compared to early flat screens , we were all duped by the OMG ITS SO SMALL hype, i freaking miss my dual CRT's :< And they were good ones to....
I didn’t know about that set until this past year- it’s also kind of a unicorn! The similarities are really striking- looks exactly like mine just lacking the RGB and Muse inputs.
Even though it seems that this TV is actually 1080i, analog support for 1080p (YPbPr and VGA) was actually pretty common among professional displays of the early '00s, but usually there was a downscalar in the display. HDMI wasn't as ubiquitous as it is today. In fact, the Xbox 360 could output 1080p over component, that's how I connected to my plasma back in the day.
@@dorfus Japanese broadcasting and display technology was always a generation ahead. NHK was hyping "Super Hi-Vision" (8K 120fps) when Blu-ray was still new.
Really glad i found this hidden gem 💎 youtuber. Instant sub for me! Looking forward to more. Very indepth look at this beautiful crt. I can also tell right away your passionate about these things.
Hi-vision is an analog HDTV format. It was also available on later hi-end iteration of the Laser Disc format and, if I remember correctly, on D-VHS tapes.
What a great find, love seeing CRTs repurposed, they look great in motion! I have a Loewe widescreen tv connected to my PC and Nintendo Switch (via its VGA port too!), and almost exclusively finished Zelda TotK on it! The Depths area look magnificent.
@@ismiismael I'm using a scaler (Crestron Scaler-HD) which receives the Nintendo Switch' 1080P HDMI signal, scales it to 848x480 (480p) out, to a HDMI to VGA cable. So it goes from Nintendo Switch > Crestron Scaler > HDMI to VGA > Loewe TV. You don't a Scaler actually if you set the Switch' TV output to 480p and just use a HDMI to VGA Converter. However it outputs at 720x480 which is 3:2 picture, not 16:9.
I owned a 30" Sony Trinitron HD CRT, in 16:9 aspect ratio, like the one in this video. I had the matching stand, as well. People forget back in the day, most televisions came in 4:3, and CRTs were heavy. Mine being the 16:9 HD model, it was so heavy I had to give it away. We pretty much made the decision when I moved out of my apartment and made a huge racket trying to get it down the stairs. My neighbor opened his front door to see what the hell was going on. "Do you want a television?" 📺
Beautiful tv. I played a lot with my ps2 and Sony Trinitron. At that time i Connected my sony vaio to tv with rgb and was Amazing. Sony Always did Amazing tv
About a month ago i lucked into a panasonic tau 34wx50. It has laggless 480p and 1080i. Its before the vga models but the earlier ones were so premium. Its the nicest tv ive ever seen
Those CRT sets with native 480p passthrough are true gems. Many seem to like doubling to 960p as well, which I'm not sure if that adds any lag since it's not using the passthrough mode, but I'd think 960p force upscaled to 1080p (or whatever the max is for this and certain XBR models) would be negligible - no deinterlacing to do and it's a small increment compared to the TV starting with 240p/480i
Subbed, amazing TV. I got lucky that I started to looking for CRTs about 5 years ago and have rounded up a kv36fs300, a kv27fs13, and a a 27 that I can't get the geometry correct that's in the basement lol. Got 2 free and the kv27fs13 for 20 us, all three with remote. Lovely this hi vision. Like you said I saw it on techmoan and then never again until this. Ty for sharing this with us.
That's very cool and it appears to of retained a really good picture especially considering its age, my Sony 34XBR960N has a built in subwoofer I'm not sure how many other Sony models they were used in.
Next best thing is plasma. I got a Kuro for free the other day and I played FF 7 Remake on it. The motion clarity is near identical. I did the blue busters test and I can make out the eyes just like my PC CRT. It's insane. Obviously Kuro is slower in motion clarity compared to a crt, but my eyes can't tell. Leagues better than LCD's and OLEDS with BFI
Japan technology back then was so 10 years in advance ❤❤❤❤i remember watching japanese drama back in the 90s on a widescreen HV format while the rest of the world still dont know 16:9 ratio video format in terms of TV Viewing
My grandparents has the exact same tv and they using it since they are bought it, still works great. I didnt think it was rare. It has all the extra thing and theirs work with 2 remote. Fun thing this video just popped up, i dont even watch thees kind of videos.
I'm late to the party, but it looks like the vega line from sony. I owned a 32in sony vega tv. 4:3 aspect ratio and quite the looker. It's looks match what you have here. I got mine in 2000 and paid $1200 which included a stand. It weighed 150-200lbs i think. 2-3 people needed to move it. The whole hook with the vega line was a totally flat glass tube. It was awesome. I was an early adopter of DVD and it looked phenomenal. I also am a gamer and always had either a nintendo gamecube or a sony playstation 2 hooked up to it. Good times.
I have a similar model KV-32FD1E, it has 2 VGA inputs, one on the front and one on the back, it also has detachable speakers...a very interesting model. Was wondering how would a pc look hooked up to it,. Sadly somehow i screwed up the flyback while cleaning it, i will have to fix it in the future.
We have this concept on productions called multi view. It's a little box that takes multiple inputs normal camera sources and displays them all on the screen at the same time, it saves you using 4 or more smaller monitors. Now days we can have 4x1080 pictures on a 4K monitor and still see the 1080 resolution. I had no idea that they were doing this in the late 90's that tv studio must have been on the cutting edge of tech.
Hey! Yeah I actually work in film VFX and have seen those setups on set. Though I work in a dept that is relegated to the cinesync over an iPad. But yeah- effectively- that’s that this tv does. It can display several sources at once- super unusual for the time.
As a European we were never graced with HD CRTs. I remember when I went to Canada in 2005 and I learned about it that I was so surprised. I knew of plasma which was incredibly expensive back then. A classmate had one that she claimed her dad paid 20k in USD for around 2002 or so but I had never heard of CRTs with HD before then. I still have never seen one in person. I did have a SD Sony Trinitron I bought in 2008 used for 50 bucks though. Amazing for PS2. But my parents broke it after I stored it in their place because I didn’t fit it in my place.
There was some HD CRTs in Europe but they were mostly some lower end models from Philips and Samsung. But there was some high end Panasonic and I think Toshiba that unofficially supported 1080i50 over Component. JVC also had some Sony TVs never had HD inputs in Europe, even the highest end KV-36HQ100 was limited to 576i even though it has the same Super Fine Pitch tube used in XBR960 and HR36M31 I've sadly never seen any HD CRT TV in person or even a 576i one with the Super Fine Pitch tube. My KV.-32FX68E has the Hi-Scan tube used in cheaper HD CRTs but being a European model it's limited to 480i/576i.
@@Pasi123 I never saw or heard of it here in Sweden but I might have missed it. I know Xbox and GameCube doesn’t support progressive scan here in PAL territory unless you mod them because such TVs weren’t available or at least not common enough.
Great video! A couple notes: Showing direct 240p signals like Chrono Trigger on mostly static screens doesn't really tell the whole story. So it would be better to record it motion, to look for motion artifacts. Later Sony HDTVs definitely treated 240p signals as 480i, which means deinterlacing artifacts in motion. As for 240p lightgun games: since you're playing with a MiSTer, you most likely could set the output to 480p, which might let the lightgun games work. 480p seems to be lag-free on this set, based on the Dreamcast behavior. But I'm not sure if the doubled line frequency would stop the games from working
I’ll have to try outputting at 480p on the mister! Can’t hurt. 240p has no motion artifacts- I was mostly trying to show the macro image of the doubling I was seeing. Composite input and svideo does scale to 1080i, and looks pretty bad.
What a gorgeous find 😍 glad to see another piece of CRT history saved from destruction. I wanted to ask why you blurred the barcode at 02:23? Was it revealing the location of the barn?😂 Great video ✨
I just picked up a KV-34HS420 HD Set. It has an HDMI port and I use it for playing modern games on it all time. I use my PC with it a ton and Cyberpunk with RT Overdrive is fucking amazing.
You could try using a line doubler like the retro tink for 240p content to see if it would make light gun games work properly. It could be the TV doesn't process 240p correctly, if that's the case line doubling to 480p would reduce latancy and display correctly.
I got one of these about 20 years ago, basically for free from Harris Corp who used it for tradeshows. They got tired of transporting it so they got rid of it. GameCube looked great on it and sports in 1080i looked incredible. It's an amazing TV ... but too big for one person to handle. I had to leave it behind when I moved. I should have found a way to keep it.
You might not know about it, but the US had an extremely similar model, which is the KW-34HD1 (released in 1998 and I believe costed the same price), which does some things this one can do, like 1080i component video (3 ports I think). Really, the only major differences is that it's 2 inches smaller, and there is no VGA input, but apart from all that it looks and performs almost the same. There have been a few people who have even sold these online on sites like offer up, but no one has ever uploaded a video of one so far as it's as rare as the one you have, if not, rarer. You should check out this TV if you can by searching the model online.
Fun fact- this HiVision is actually 34” by normal USA standards. That’s the viewable on this. While I think that KW-34HD1 has that interesting proprietary DVI port, does it scale everything to 1080i? That would be my main concern.
@dorfus Wait, you knew about this TV? Nice, as almost no one does! Anyway, the manual doesn't specify that, but it does say that there is one component video input that is labeled "for use of 1080i signal only" while the same is for the DVI port. I believe that the other inputs scale to 480i. Also, I believe that DVI has better clarity than component video, as I can verify that as I used to have a Mitsubishi 1080i rear projection CRT TV that had a DVI port and it did look better than the component inputs, making the US model have one major advantage of the Japanese model, if of course it can be used with an HDMI to DVI adapter, which I don't see why not.
It’s been a long time since I’ve handled a qualia product, but there are similarities. The actual build quality is on par, but the design isn’t as “out there” as the qualia products that would come after it.
Would love one of these. I collect Laserdiscs (as well as play retro game consoles like Dreamcast). I have a MUSE Hi-Vision Laserdisc compatible player which can play HD Laserdiscs (HLD-X9). I need to run the MUSE signal through a separate MUSE decoder to get a component HD 1080i output that works with a modern HD screen. Looks like your model has the decoder built in.
@@tomlee80 yep! It does. I’d love to see actual MUSE content on it- I’ve only run 60p 1080i rips of muse content. It’d be interesting to see if there’s a difference between that and the actual MUSE decoder. But hey! I’m always open to offers on it- it’s just so heavy and would be horrible to ship without an experienced mover.
I had a TV similar to this back in 09. It was 4:3 though. But the front was flat and it had an HDMI port. And yeah it was easily 200 lbs. Unfortunately, I made the brain-dead mistake of packing it right next to a 4x12 speaker cab when I moved and I could never get the color right again.
I’m not too familiar with CRT’s, but I’d be interesting to see this thing next to my Pioneer KRP-500M reference plasma monitor. How’s the black level in a blacked out room? Any glow?
I got one of the early 16:9 CRTs by LG called "Infineon". It had component but only accepted 576p. It also had a PC RGB which accepted 1080i. It was also 100Hz and was capable of 12-PIP and Split Channel PiP. It was white in colour with a silver speaker grille at the bottom which was very loud and bassy! It had a stainless steel top panel with controls and everytime it turned on it used to Degause the screen. One thing that sucked, it would always go to Channel 1 analogue and not remember the last input it was on. I originally wanted the Sony but it was too expensive. This TV was $4000 to buy and I had to finance it. Plasma's were out at the time but they were over $10,000!! My set was 32"
That CRT looks beautiful and like it came out not long ago! It doesn't look like it was released years ago, seriously. And the fact that it supported 1080i when it came out is insane. Enjoy it. I prefer the 15" to 20" CRT screen size though since I use it on a computer desk and play close to it.
It’s wild how much of their design language for the next 20 years was established in 1998. I will admit I use a 27” and a 15” more, since they’re in more comfortable rooms.
Were HD CRTs always using the trinitron design (fell out of patent in the later years and other companies started using it), or did they use shadow mask for HD-CRT?
All Trinitron tubes including WEGA, Hi Vision, all Sony HD CRTs are exclusively Aperture Grille. Only Sony made them in their own factories. No corporation on Earth could justify paying Sony royalties to use their Aperture Grille technology because the factories would have to be fitted and kitted out to specifically make Aperture Grille CRTs. They couldn't just make Shadow Mask CRTs one day then Aperture Grille the next with the same equipment and processes because the tools to make CRT at scale costs billions of dollars of infrastructure. Any monitor that wasn't Sony branded but Aperture Grille CRT was still a Sony made CRT.
@@lancepage1914 It's hard to understand. I thought some of the later model flat CRTs were putting out more light, like Trinitron, using a similar design, like Diamondtron from Mitsubishi, and I had heard it said that IBM's ThinkVision CRT monitors were aperture grill and some of Dell's or NEC's monitors.
@@lancepage1914 After the Trinitron patents expired there were quite a few third-party companies that made Aperture Grille TVs such as Mitsubishi who made "Diamondtron" tubes, mostly for CRT monitors like my NEC MultiSync FE-1250+.
I had a similar sony like this over 20 yrs ago but it had a matching silver base with a glass door that it sat into and the black glass door cover the buttons at the bottom of the TV
I have a Pioneer HLD-X9 HiVision/Muse laserdisc player which would connect directly to the muse inputs and with a HiVision disc give you an excellent HD picture. I have to use an external decoder to get the same results, like anything that was only sold in Japan the players decoders and discs were very expensive, even today the discs sell for very high prices, and i only have a few of them. It would be great to see just how good these HD discs would look on this TV.
You wouldn't expect it me being 24, but I used to have one when I was a teenager. I wish my parents hadn't made me trash it when I got my first flat screen. *Edit* I'll add that I was young and didn't understand fully what I had on my hands. I couldn't tell you anything about it's different features as I actually learned a whole lot watching your video. I do however remember that my model had English writing on the TV and the remote. I only added that because the only other comments I see from people who had them got them from Japan.
Quick note- this doesn’t support 1080p- only up to 1080i. 720p as well. Sorry about that- I wasn’t reading things correctly.
This it must be after the 1988 HD CRT TV that came out which only had 1080i, 720 didn't exist back then. My 88kg beast is only 480i but still bloody decent!!!
@@Defensive_Wounds this one does accept true 720p. It was made in 1998.
I believe the PS4 supports 1080i. Would be interesting to see a video on different video output settings on consoles hooked up to this Trinitron.
@@markus19999 Yes it does- the bummer of course is that the PS4 as near as I can tell can’t output analog video. It’s all about the quality of the conversion from digital to analog, and I don’t feel like I have a particularly good pure converter. PS3 analog at 1080i looks very good though.
1080i is pretty close to native resolution in MUSE, it shows 1035 visible interleaved lines after all, it can just dump a few out of screen and it's good to go, tho I wouldn't doubt it being able to show all 1080 either being a newer model.
The MUSE signal itself is absolutely weird, a sort of digital + analog combination that somehow has 4 interleaving stages.
I think if you want to see native MUSE signals, your best bet would be a Japanese W-VHS deck, that or a Hi-Vision LD player but that would likely be even harder to get working.
before CRTs died you had some HD CRTs with HDMI connection.
My dad had one, it was amazing
I've been wanting one for 25+ years...
@@8BitNaptime If you drive to KCMO we have like 3 near us on marketplace rn.
Same. Mine just died recently and it's so sad
@@SmokesLetsGoBud Almost everything is repairable.
We used to have have a bigger one that had one.
And a we also had one of those large projection TV's that had one.
I remember hooking my 360 up to them with an HDMI cable for the first time.
And being absolutely blown away
The remote goes up to 15 because most Japanese TV viewers do so via terrestrial broadcasts and pretty much everywhere I’ve been in Japan, stations tend to broadcast within the first 15 channels. This lets you get to any channel with a single button press.
So that’s why! Wild- thanks for letting me know! The 12 also doubles as the “enter” key when saving settings in the system calibration osd. Is that standard on older JDM CRTs too?
I think it's also because the satellites used for analog DBS broadcasting in Japan had 15 transponders (though more than half were used for feeds, not broadcasting, and I think they were spaced in a way to not require the TV to switch the LNB polarity). The VHF bandplan in Japan has 12 channels, and even today most Japanese TV remotes go from 1 to 12.
Amazing, that's such a gem. So rare that it should never be destroyed or recycled. It's a technology that will never be made again, the definition of a museum piece :)
My buddy I served with was stationed in Japan. I bought the TV from him in 2008 for $100 to play all my retro games on. My son now uses it to stream cartoons and play his original xbox I modded. We dont have the remote. I was able to get an old universal remote working and with google translate I made a small guide on the settings. Its great to see this TV being talked about.
I still have my old Toshiba HD 32" Tubed TV, First TV I ever bought myself. But the power supply went poof and its setting in a storage unit.
Wait you have the HD Toshiba set 👀. I have a 26" Widescreen Toshiba set that I use. I have been looking for an HD Toshiba set for awhile but the issue is shipping and getting it in my house. They are heavy. I like to fix old crts but those last generation models before companies stopped making them are kind of complex to work on because they have so much stuff stuffed into them compared to like an old set from 1995.
Wow, that is a stunning TV set. Good job on saving it from the recyclers.
Yeah, I hear people saying they recycle the stuff all the time and like you got $.50 to destroy history bro 😮 not a flex
@@macintush Not that rare thou
I'm more impressed by that table that can hold the TV. That must be a good table.
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You don't value innovation sadly! Technology progresses from one generation to the next! People are so unthankful and unappreciative I've noticed! 😒👌
For real! 😂
Congrats on finding and preserving this beauty. Having RGB input and native 480p is pretty crazy for an HD CRT.
A version of this exact set was actually sold in the US for $9k in 1998, under the model number KW-34HD1, just without the Muse / Hi-Vision functionality. For whatever reason, it also didn't include the VGA port on the front.
I've seen that one mentioned lately! It really does look identical, though missing major chunks of the feature set. So wild! I should look at the manual for it, I wonder if it mentions the PS1 too.
I remember back in the day seeing 16:9 HD CRTs in Best Buy. They looked so much nicer than other TVs on display.
Speaking of MUSE or Hi-vision. I remember NHK had a dedicated channel named BSHi (NHKデジタル衛星ハイビジョン, translated into NHK Digital Satellite High Vision) to broadcast Hi-Vision programs between 2000 to 2007. Before that NHK tried to broadcast Hi-Vision signals in High Vision Broadcast on channel 9 (ハイビジョン試験放送). The program that was shown in HD the most was Kohaku Uta Gassen (NHK紅白歌合戦, translated into NHK Red and White singing contest), which was from 1989 and onwards.
It's BS Japanese Channel Hi-Vision stands for HI-DEF Channels in Japan
@@claise09 Yes it is. I just looked up some clips from the past. The earliest I could find was back in 1985 of the Kohaku Uta Gassen. The difference with 1080p today is back then MUSE has 1035 active interlaced lines.
But Hi-Vision is an analog system, why do they call it digital?
@@fungo6631 That's the term Japan used back then, my guess is to emphasize how advanced the technology was.
What a find! Thank you for sharing. TH-cam Content for high end CRT's has become pretty rare.
Honestly I’m just shocked there isn’t a video about one of these somewhere else. This is any other HiVision model, given the popularity of the Muse Laserdisc content out there.
@@dorfustechmoan has a great one
In 2000, I was able to get ahold of a Sony Japanese 16:9 TV through my workplace.We had a lot of analog A/V equipment for home media demos and rather than recycle or dispose of the gear my manager was able to arrange an extended "loan". The TV was a PowerWide labeled model so from around 1995 or 1996 and was capable of up to 480p display. The 480p capability was handy for those Dreamcast and original Xbox games that supported. By 2006, I had upgraded to a Sony RPTV and gave the Sony PowerWide TV to a friend. I never checked in to so see what happened with it. I imagine it would be a collector's item now.
I question whether this one is or not- it’s certainly a fascinating dinosaur but I don’t know if anyone is really collecting these actively. I think they’re just too hard to get from place to place.
Chicken dinner winner! Don’t let the Sony trinitron museum guy know you have this.
What's the lore? Would he do slmething unholy to it?
How do i see the museum
. @nhansgoofyvideos7581 He will add it to his collection. There is a youtube channel where this guy has walls of Trinitrons he has restored. Calls it the Trinitron museum
TH-cam user "SONY TRINITRON"@@hectormanuel8360
Been curious about Hi-Vision CRTs since forever, thanks for sharing this
Cool video man. I love CRTs. That RGB in the front is great. What a rare experience. I would love to have an identical one.
Man what an awesome find. I love the dark silver aesthetic of the late 90s xbrs this may be an actual grail :D
It does resemble a Sony GDM-FW900!
@@dorfus yea its like a widescreen version of the XBR200/250 series it looks awesome. I'm super jelly!
The reason light guns don't work properly with 240p/480i content is that the TV line doubles them digitally to raise the horizontal frequency to 31.5 kHz, close to the horizontal frequency of 1035i. Making a large CRT work across greatly differing horizontal frequencies was difficult for a number of reasons, not the least dealing with the electrical properties of the deflection coils.
The line doubling not only throws off the horizontal detection for the light gun completely , but the delay from the line doubling throws off vertical detection as well a bit.
I’m just thankful 480p light gun stuff works- though it’d be neat to get 240p stuff working with some kind of scaler.
That could had been avoided using a line buffer instead of a frame buffer. VGA does that thing with video modes lower than 400 lines, it line doubles them. 320x200 mode 13h is actually 320x400.
Instead of a frame of lag, you'd have a scanline or two of lag. It was purely an oversight, seeing that OSSC line doubling mitigates the issue.
This channel is so underrated, I hope you get more views and subscribers.
Hey thanks! I tend to do videos off and on - I'm not as consistent as the folks who do it full time. I need to start figuring out what I'll do a video about next, I guess!
Would love to see Gran Turismo 4 on PS2 in 1080
stick it on a framister and a oled tv it looks sick. qd oled would look even better
I remember the excitement I felt when I saw my first HiVison TV at an electronics store when I was in elementary school. I wanted to have such a TV in my home.
At the time, HiVision was broadcast on a satellite channel, but I could not watch it on our NTSC TV.
HiVision TVs were expensive, so our TV was a wide-screen TV with a built-in M-N(Muse-NTSC) converter . (The picture quality is not HiVision).
Later, digital broadcasting started and LCD flat-panel TVs were introduced, allowing us to enjoy TV in high-definition HDTV. However, I feel the picture quality of CRT HiVisions seemed to be better.
I'm never heard about this tv, thank you for this video
I once scored a 27" Sony FV310 off Craigslist for 20 bucks. It's not quite in the same league as this television, but for standard-def content, it looks amazing.
I miss these days. Yellow white and red cable. Didn’t care about graphics or refresh rate. Just happy to game.
Been looking for this model for a year. Glad to see there's a video about it.
What a beautiful find. Congratulations what a stunning set. A follow up on the audio and what a movie looks like would be fascinating
I may after getting some other testing things squared. Audio is pretty subjective, but the sound quality is fairly excellent. I find speakers in TVs to frequently sound kind of "boxed" and muffled, but this one is really well tuned. The audio showstopper is the subwoofer though- I can't believe how tight and impactful it is. Genuinely directionless, you wouldn't know it's within the TV unless you hunted around for a bit.
mann i went to a friends house long long ago when i was a kid, this was his TV his dad worked in japan, never thought twice about it, never knew it was top of the line back in the day
Most interesting Sony set. Never saw one of those or even a picture of one. I have been a “Sony TV only” guy since my 3 bedroom house was built in 1984. All rooms including the master bath have a Sony TV, all on a master antenna system. Not that I really use any except the 20” CTR hung in my shop. As time progressed I upgraded some sets to newer Sony CRT sets. Last CRT I bought was a 32” XBR2, it has built in 8 ohm surround spkr outputs as well and a whole lot of inputs and outputs. The set probably has 100 hrs use maximum since new, and it isn’t used now as I’m rarely in that room. A much newer 40” Sony hangs in my kitchen dining area now, it gets most use, primarily TH-cam thru a 4k Roku player, which is how I’m viewing your channel. I see a small high resolution CRT monitor on the left in your garage 😃 I have a similar one. Great to come across your channel.
So I'm assuming this tv has a muse decoder built into it to watch muse laserdiscs?
Correct- that all happens internally. Unfortunately, I have no way of testing it as I do not have a MUSE laserdisc player. I did, however, put this television in my office in a full "retro" setup and I will post a video soon about living with it as a primary display. It seemed like that was what most people really wanted to see.
My grandparents have a massive CRT that looks very similar to that. Nice memories of watching cartoons on it. It looks extremely similar to this so I wouldn't be surprised if it is a very close or the same model. Next time I visit them, I'll definitely try to get as much information on it as possible. Maybe this will turn up something good?
Thats what i love about my huge trinny, the subwoofer in the back and the 4 speakers inside, the sound is incredible, it rattles my sofa when we watch movies on it, such a different experience compared to our modern TV. This one you found looks amazing for modern consoles via component 😍
I had a set of this vintage that had a pigybacked subwoofer.
man this is a super super lucky find, and this has a very bizarre and unique story
I’m honestly just glad it wasn’t tossed. I genuinely hope there are more of these out there, and eventually I’d like to run more tests on it. I’ve been talking to some people about various resolution tests and hope to perform those later today.
@@dorfus yeah! if i were ever lucky to find a MUSE CRT out in the wild, i'd put down a loan just to hire body builders to help me carry it to my house lmao
Hey Dorfus, just want to say a HUGE thank you for your videos on this TV, and and an even bigger thanks for sharing the method to enter the service menu! I managed to get my hands on a very similar rare model (KW-32HD5) and its an absolute beauty! It's multiformat and it has VGA and all, but its also a curved screen so quite unique in that regard. Your videos on this TV inspired me to pursue the difficult endeavor of getting my hands on one of these rare beasts, and with a lot of good fortune I managed to succeed. However the TV I got has pretty bad geometry unfortunately so iv been trying to find the service menu code to try to fix it and almost gave up hope, but I came to your video again and to my delight found it in the description and it worked! :D only issue now is to understand what the hell im doing in these menus, there seems to be a LOT of parameters and theyr all written in 4 letter codes so I'm scared to mess something up. Iv done service menu geometry tweaking on a Panasonic CRT before, but there was only a handful of settings on that and it was pretty straight forward compared to this one. Do you have any advice on how I mite approach this? Is there a guide of some kind that explains what each setting does? Thanks again man!
Hey! Yeah, the codes are really tricky to figure out. The one you have to avoid at all costs is "AGE" which basically burns in the TV, and will reduce its lifespan. I generally followed a list I found on Neo Geo.com's forums, it's fairly old. I'll post them below this comment. Many are different, but you can find similar ones or nearly identical ones in your TV hopefully.
ITEM TYPICAL RANGE DESCRIPTION
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AFC 0 0-3 AFC Loop Gain
HFRE 42 0-127 Horizontal Frequency
VFRE 11 0-31 Vertical Frequency
VPOS 16 0-31 Vertical Picture Position
VSIZ 18 0-63 Vertical Picture Size
VLIN 6 0-15 Vertical Picture Linearity
VSCO 10 0-15 Vertical Correction
HPOS 6 0-15 Horizontal Picture Position
HSIZ 11 0-31 Horizontal Picture Size
PAMP 18 0-31 Pincushion Amp.
CPIN 4 0-7 Corner Pincushion
PPHA 7 0-15 Pincushion Phase
UPIN 10 0-31 Pincushion upper ends, vertical lines
LPIN 10 0-31 Pincushion lower ends, vertical lines
PPHA 7 0-15 Keystone correction vertical lines
HKEY 6 0-15 Keystone distortion, horizontal lines
HTRP 8 0-15 Keystone correction, horizontal lines
VCOM 2 0-7 Vertical Compensation
VUSN 0 0,1 Shrinks Vertical Height to 16x9 Area
VZOM 0 0,1 Places Bars on Picture to give 16x9 Area
EHT 15 Adjust Height of VZOM
ASP 47 Vertical Picture Size - Aspect
SCRL 31 Vertical Picture Position
HBLK 1 0,1 Horizontal Blanking (on/off)
LBLK 15 Left Blanking
RBLK 3 Right Blanking
GAMP 18 0-31 Green Amp.
BAMP 14 0-31 Blue Amp.
GDRV 18 0-31 Green Driver
BDRV 14 0-31 Blue Driver
RCUT 15 Red Cutoff - (lower level)
GCUT 4 0-15 Green Cutoff - (lower level)
BCUT 1 0-15 Blue Cutoff - (lower level)
RDRV 21 Red Amp. - (upper level)
GDRV 18 Green Amp. - (upper level)
BDRV 14 Blue Amp. - (upper level)
DCOL 1 0,1 Color Temperature
COFF 0 0,1 Color On/Off - B/W Picture
Y-DC 0 0-15 BLACK background level retention
R-YR 15 0-15 Sets the amount of RED
R-YB 15 0-15 Sets the amount of RED
G-YG 11 0-15 Sets the amount of GREEN
G-YB 9 0-15 Sets the amount of GREEN
AXIS 0 0-15 Cleans up the red & oranginess in yellow
DPIX 0 0-3 Dynamic Picture
CROM 28 0-63 Chroma Trap
SPIX 30 0-63 Sub-Picture Contrast (Picture)
SCON 30 0-63 Sub-Picture Contrast (Picture)
SHUE 23 0-63 Sub-Picture Hue
SCOL 26 0-63 Sub-Picture Color
SBRT 22 0-63 Sub-Picture Brightness (Black Level)
RGBP 10 0-63 RGB Picture
SHAP 6 0-15 Sub-Picture Sharpness
SHPF 3 0-15 This helps with the S-Video sharpness
NRLV 0 0-3 Find the value that gives the best resolution
VSMO 1 0,1 Vertical Pull In Range (1 allows PAL in B&W)
REF 2 0-3 Reference Line
ROFF 1 0,1 Red Gun ON(1)/OFF(0)
GOFF 1 0,1 Green Gun ON(1)/OFF(0)
BOFF 1 0,1 Blue Gun ON(1)/OFF(0)
RON 1* 0,1 Red Gun ON(1)/OFF(0)
GON 1* 0,1 Green Gun ON(1)/OFF(0)
BON 1* 0,1 Blue Gun ON(1)/OFF(0)
AXPL 0 0,1 Cleans up Reds/Yellows
ABLM 0 0,1 Automatic Background or Brightness Limiter
NOTC 1 0,1 Notch Filter ON(1)/OFF(0)
VMLV 0 0,1 Scanning Velocity Modulation ON(1)/OFF(0)
VAPI 0 0,1 Sets vert resolution for 3-d comb filter
VAPG 0 0,1 Sets vert resolution for 3-d comb filter
DRGB 0 0,1 On-Screen Display (OSD) Intensity
DISP 35 0-63 On-Screen Display (OSD) Menu Placement (L/R)
VTMS 0 0-3 On Screen Display (OSD) - On/Off
DPDV 1 0-3 Lumipon
MPIC 8 0-63 Lumipon (depth)
SVOL 0 0-15 Sub-Volume (0=Max,15=Min.)
SBAL 7 0-15 Sub-Balance (0=Left,15=Right)
BASS 8 0-15 Sub-Bass (0=Min., 15=Max.)
TRE 7 0-15 Sub-Treble (0=Mix., 15=Max.)
MPX - 0-15 Audio ATT
FILO - 0-15 Audio I1
DEEM - 0-15 Audio I2
STEV - 0-15 Audio OSC1
SAPV - 0-15 Audio OSC2
PILO - 0-15 Audio PILOT
SEP - 0-15 Audio WIDE BAND
VD - 0-15 Audio SPECTRAL
LVOL - 0-15 Audio VOLUME-L
RVOL - 0-15 Audio VOLUME-R
PADJ 63 0-255 Hor/Vert Picture Adjustment (total picture)
UYBO 32 0-63 Upper Y Bow (B/R Top)
LYBO 27 0-63 Lower Y Bow (B/R Bottom)
HAMP 34 0-63 Horizontal Amp. (B/R OuterLines)
HTIL 32 0-63 Horizontal Tilt (R/R)
UCBO 39 0-63 Upper C Bow (B/R Corners Only)
UTIL 37 0-63 Upper Tilt (Top Corners)
LCBO 41 0-63 Lower C Bow (B/R Corners Only)
LTIL 40 0-63 Lower Tilt (Bottom Corners)
DCSH 36 0-63 DC Shift (Static Convergence All Vertical)
VBOW 30 0-63 Bow distortion correction vertical lines
VANG 30 0-63 Skew correction, vertical lines
RTCO - 0-63 Raster Rotation
PHPO 79 0-127 Picture In Picture (PIP) Horizontal Position
PHUE 0 0-31 Picture In Picture (PIP) Hue
MSHU - 0-31 Main PIP hue
MSCOL - 0-31 Main PIP color
SSHU - 0-31 Small PIP Hue
SSCO - 0-31 Small PIP Color
GV SKEW - 0-63 convergence service item
GH SKEW - 0-63 convergence service item
GH BOW - 0-63 convergence service item
RV SKEW - 0-63 convergence service item
BV SKEW - 0-63 convergence service item
GH PIN - 0-63 convergence service item
GH CENT - 0-63 convergence service item
GV CENT - 0-63 convergence service item
RH CENT - 0-63 convergence service item
RV CENT - 0-63 convergence service item
BH CENT - 0-63 convergence service item
BV CENT - 0-63 convergence service item
ID0 88 0-127 Model ID
ID1 127 0-127 Model ID
ID2 104 0-127 Model ID
ID3 64 0-127 Model ID
ID4 19 0-127 Model ID
ID5 1 0-127 Model ID
@@dorfus Thats really helpful thanks man! and thanks for the heads up regarding the AGE setting, what a weird thing to exist although im sure it has its purpose 😅 by the way I discovered chatGPT can give pretty detailed explanations for each of the service menu parameters and what they do in case its helpful to you in the future.
@@atlasofambience I would seriously not trust Chat GPT. It lies way too often to be trusted with something that could bork your TV.
@@dorfus Haha yea true. I'm definitely not blinding trusting it, but just using to get some insight with none to go by otherwise and it's accuracy has been pretty convincing so far, at least with the basic stuff. I'm definitely playing it safe though and only tweaking the things I'm absolutely sure of 😅
What a beast of a CRT TV. Amazing. and 232 Watts 😂. But the picture quality looks great. Good thing that you saved this!
Seriously cool tele. What a find!
Also great video too, the production quality is really good and the video was an interesting watch. Subbed!
Thanks! I've been meaning to make more of these- it seems like a shame to not document interesting things like this. If it were to suddenly stop working, I don't think there would be any record of what it could do.
Waw,this crt tv is a dreamy tv for sure!
Also that is an absolute badass Sega Dreamcast you got there man.☺
I did just notice the Dreamcast shell cracked though, near the power light. These modern re-shells really aren’t as durable as the ones we had years ago, unfortunately!
@@dorfus it is true,older things tend to last longer.
I didn't even noticed that shell crack of how gorgeous that thing is,is like the fault itself its part of it.😅
I wish I had this tv! Mine is just a 40inch 16:9 SD CRT tv. It weighs 88KG and has stereo speakers, RGB component input, S-video/SVHS input, composite I can't remember if it has scart or other inputs for video but it does have optical audio and headphone 3.5mm input for audio as well as the white and red for composite audio. The features on the remote are pretty decent for a budget CRT like this! I bought it in 2006 new from Kmart! LCDs were taking off but they were expensive and looked like crap for viewing angles so I bought this one. Good decision even though everyone for years said 'why don't I just throw it out?' It still works perfectly to this day!!! Those LCD tvs they had were thrown out over a decade and a half ago, cheapo shite technology LCD was/is. So bad at playing older tech on them too you NEED a CRT to get accurate quality of the source material...lol
40 inches is crazy huge for a crt! I think this one weighs something similar- it’s almost impossible to move. Also wild that yours is from nearly 10 years after this one!
I have a 32" Teac but 40" for a CRT must be the record.
40inches 88kg? Impossible. Those are typically 135-150kg
Amazing find. It reminds me of the KV-36XBR400 I used to have. It also had a built in subwoofer, if I recall correctly. I also miss my 1985 20' Quasar DynaColor TV/monitor. I've never been able to find any info on that. It was quite high-tier for old consoles, VHS and fullscreen DVD.
Nice TV. The colour accuracy looks amazing for a TV that old. I thought there maybe some colour differential differences, like maybe the colours not being uniform on the screen, but it looks amazing here. Personally, I am not a fan of CRT and would of definitely passed it by, but I am really glad that someone is able to enjoy it. I also really like the fact that the back was almost flat and not like most tubes which jut out of the back line a cone.
I suppose this is the later consumer version of then HDVS HDM-3830 which I have on my channel.
Wow this could be the nicest crt I have ever seen.
That TV will last you many years. Take good care of her, she is a treasure.😊
I'd really want to measure the color primaries with a colorimeter to see how close this Sony tube adheres to the ARIB/MUSE HiVision color space.
I have owned large high end WEGA TVs that were from this time, but this is the biggest ive seen thanks for sharing.
I truly enjoyed this video. Thank you for saving this beauty.
i am so jealous. I wish I'd kept a CRT around. It's the best way to play older consoles.
I remember borriowing a ps3 from a friend of mine to play GTA 4, we had this masive sony CRT at the time, and i beat all of GTA 4 on it, then sometime later i played gta4 on pc with a early gen pc flat monitor, had taken out mydouble crt setup (i still fricking miss them) and i could swear the game looked worse even though running higher resolution and graphics then ps3 did, and i had a top end PC at the time, but i just told myself i must be mis remembering.
Now years later seeing all the videos of last gen CRT's compared to early flat screens , we were all duped by the OMG ITS SO SMALL hype, i freaking miss my dual CRT's :< And they were good ones to....
I have a KW34HD1 version of this TV I'min the process of restoring it and so far it'sgoing to look amazing when its done!
I didn’t know about that set until this past year- it’s also kind of a unicorn! The similarities are really striking- looks exactly like mine just lacking the RGB and Muse inputs.
This is insane man, what a beautiful beast.
Even though it seems that this TV is actually 1080i, analog support for 1080p (YPbPr and VGA) was actually pretty common among professional displays of the early '00s, but usually there was a downscalar in the display. HDMI wasn't as ubiquitous as it is today. In fact, the Xbox 360 could output 1080p over component, that's how I connected to my plasma back in the day.
Absolutely- I’m just surprised it’s on this set which was from the 90s. The original ps1 is listed in the manual, not ps2.
@@dorfus Japanese broadcasting and display technology was always a generation ahead. NHK was hyping "Super Hi-Vision" (8K 120fps) when Blu-ray was still new.
Really glad i found this hidden gem 💎 youtuber. Instant sub for me! Looking forward to more. Very indepth look at this beautiful crt. I can also tell right away your passionate about these things.
Hi-vision is an analog HDTV format. It was also available on later hi-end iteration of the Laser Disc format and, if I remember correctly, on D-VHS tapes.
What a great find, love seeing CRTs repurposed, they look great in motion!
I have a Loewe widescreen tv connected to my PC and Nintendo Switch (via its VGA port too!), and almost exclusively finished Zelda TotK on it! The Depths area look magnificent.
Hey nice! In talking to various folks, it sounds like that Lowe has a very similar feature set to this one!
The loewe are hd compatible?
@@ismiismael I'm using a scaler (Crestron Scaler-HD) which receives the Nintendo Switch' 1080P HDMI signal, scales it to 848x480 (480p) out, to a HDMI to VGA cable.
So it goes from Nintendo Switch > Crestron Scaler > HDMI to VGA > Loewe TV.
You don't a Scaler actually if you set the Switch' TV output to 480p and just use a HDMI to VGA Converter. However it outputs at 720x480 which is 3:2 picture, not 16:9.
А что за модель Loewe? Articos 32 у них лучшая из crt?
What a find, and what a beautiful set!
I owned a 30" Sony Trinitron HD CRT, in 16:9 aspect ratio, like the one in this video. I had the matching stand, as well.
People forget back in the day, most televisions came in 4:3, and CRTs were heavy. Mine being the 16:9 HD model, it was so heavy I had to give it away.
We pretty much made the decision when I moved out of my apartment and made a huge racket trying to get it down the stairs. My neighbor opened his front door to see what the hell was going on.
"Do you want a television?" 📺
I’d love to have the stand for this one- I don’t think there’s much made today that can support this thing well and look good.
Beautiful tv. I played a lot with my ps2 and Sony Trinitron. At that time i Connected my sony vaio to tv with rgb and was Amazing. Sony Always did Amazing tv
Great to see, what a find congrats! Would be superb for Hi-Vision Laserdisc, imagine the TV tops out at 1080i.
About a month ago i lucked into a panasonic tau 34wx50. It has laggless 480p and 1080i. Its before the vga models but the earlier ones were so premium. Its the nicest tv ive ever seen
Those CRT sets with native 480p passthrough are true gems. Many seem to like doubling to 960p as well, which I'm not sure if that adds any lag since it's not using the passthrough mode, but I'd think 960p force upscaled to 1080p (or whatever the max is for this and certain XBR models) would be negligible - no deinterlacing to do and it's a small increment compared to the TV starting with 240p/480i
Subbed, amazing TV. I got lucky that I started to looking for CRTs about 5 years ago and have rounded up a kv36fs300, a kv27fs13, and a a 27 that I can't get the geometry correct that's in the basement lol. Got 2 free and the kv27fs13 for 20 us, all three with remote. Lovely this hi vision. Like you said I saw it on techmoan and then never again until this. Ty for sharing this with us.
That's very cool and it appears to of retained a really good picture especially considering its age, my Sony 34XBR960N has a built in subwoofer I'm not sure how many other Sony models they were used in.
This tv being nearly 30 years old is cray
CRT tech is still ahead of today's best OLEDs in terms of motion clarity
Next best thing is plasma. I got a Kuro for free the other day and I played FF 7 Remake on it. The motion clarity is near identical. I did the blue busters test and I can make out the eyes just like my PC CRT. It's insane.
Obviously Kuro is slower in motion clarity compared to a crt, but my eyes can't tell. Leagues better than LCD's and OLEDS with BFI
hiya dufus! i used to have one of these, but not a hivision one. good tvs. still got a sony tv now. 🙂
Japan technology back then was so 10 years in advance ❤❤❤❤i remember watching japanese drama back in the 90s on a widescreen HV format while the rest of the world still dont know 16:9 ratio video format in terms of TV Viewing
My grandparents has the exact same tv and they using it since they are bought it, still works great. I didnt think it was rare. It has all the extra thing and theirs work with 2 remote. Fun thing this video just popped up, i dont even watch thees kind of videos.
I'm late to the party, but it looks like the vega line from sony. I owned a 32in sony vega tv. 4:3 aspect ratio and quite the looker. It's looks match what you have here. I got mine in 2000 and paid $1200 which included a stand. It weighed 150-200lbs i think. 2-3 people needed to move it. The whole hook with the vega line was a totally flat glass tube. It was awesome. I was an early adopter of DVD and it looked phenomenal. I also am a gamer and always had either a nintendo gamecube or a sony playstation 2 hooked up to it. Good times.
I have a similar model KV-32FD1E, it has 2 VGA inputs, one on the front and one on the back, it also has detachable speakers...a very interesting model. Was wondering how would a pc look hooked up to it,. Sadly somehow i screwed up the flyback while cleaning it, i will have to fix it in the future.
We have this concept on productions called multi view. It's a little box that takes multiple inputs normal camera sources and displays them all on the screen at the same time, it saves you using 4 or more smaller monitors. Now days we can have 4x1080 pictures on a 4K monitor and still see the 1080 resolution.
I had no idea that they were doing this in the late 90's that tv studio must have been on the cutting edge of tech.
Hey! Yeah I actually work in film VFX and have seen those setups on set. Though I work in a dept that is relegated to the cinesync over an iPad. But yeah- effectively- that’s that this tv does. It can display several sources at once- super unusual for the time.
What a beauty! 😍
My parents had a sony that looked very similar but a 4:3 ratio version back in 1999 in the same colour. Was a really good tv.
nostalgia is a hell of a drug.
“I have fond feelings for this thing that weighs more than I do and could crush anyone who looked at it wrong”
As a European we were never graced with HD CRTs. I remember when I went to Canada in 2005 and I learned about it that I was so surprised. I knew of plasma which was incredibly expensive back then. A classmate had one that she claimed her dad paid 20k in USD for around 2002 or so but I had never heard of CRTs with HD before then. I still have never seen one in person. I did have a SD Sony Trinitron I bought in 2008 used for 50 bucks though. Amazing for PS2. But my parents broke it after I stored it in their place because I didn’t fit it in my place.
There was some HD CRTs in Europe but they were mostly some lower end models from Philips and Samsung. But there was some high end Panasonic and I think Toshiba that unofficially supported 1080i50 over Component. JVC also had some
Sony TVs never had HD inputs in Europe, even the highest end KV-36HQ100 was limited to 576i even though it has the same Super Fine Pitch tube used in XBR960 and HR36M31
I've sadly never seen any HD CRT TV in person or even a 576i one with the Super Fine Pitch tube. My KV.-32FX68E has the Hi-Scan tube used in cheaper HD CRTs but being a European model it's limited to 480i/576i.
@@Pasi123 I never saw or heard of it here in Sweden but I might have missed it. I know Xbox and GameCube doesn’t support progressive scan here in PAL territory unless you mod them because such TVs weren’t available or at least not common enough.
We have Panasonic that matches this tv.
wow I can't believe how good TotK looks on this, so impressive
Great video! A couple notes:
Showing direct 240p signals like Chrono Trigger on mostly static screens doesn't really tell the whole story. So it would be better to record it motion, to look for motion artifacts. Later Sony HDTVs definitely treated 240p signals as 480i, which means deinterlacing artifacts in motion.
As for 240p lightgun games: since you're playing with a MiSTer, you most likely could set the output to 480p, which might let the lightgun games work. 480p seems to be lag-free on this set, based on the Dreamcast behavior. But I'm not sure if the doubled line frequency would stop the games from working
I’ll have to try outputting at 480p on the mister! Can’t hurt. 240p has no motion artifacts- I was mostly trying to show the macro image of the doubling I was seeing. Composite input and svideo does scale to 1080i, and looks pretty bad.
What a gorgeous find 😍 glad to see another piece of CRT history saved from destruction. I wanted to ask why you blurred the barcode at 02:23? Was it revealing the location of the barn?😂
Great video ✨
Correct! It was from the television station, and I wouldn't want anyone to bug them since all this stuff is long gone.
Did they have any Sony HDVS equipment? Like tape decks?
They may have! This was back last winter- I don’t believe anything is left.
I just picked up a KV-34HS420 HD Set. It has an HDMI port and I use it for playing modern games on it all time. I use my PC with it a ton and Cyberpunk with RT Overdrive is fucking amazing.
Did you manage to source the stand with it? That stand looked awesome.
@@dorfus Sadly, no. I was able to find a good looking mid-century modern stand that my wife approved of so mine gets to live in our basement office.
@@TheBardOfTheRedHand Ha yeah I doubt I'll ever find a nice enough stand for the HiVision to warrant its inclusion in the rest of the house.
@@dorfus That's a shame for sure. Glad you are keeping it out of a recycling warehouse and appreciating it!
I'd like to see it in a dark room, 720p resolution but on a PC upcaled as much as possible, maybe DLDSR 2.25x + a game with resolution Scaling 200%
🤤🤤🤤🤤🤯🤯🤯🤩🤩 Enjoy your barn treasure!!! what a fotunate find dude! I'm one of those people that would prefer this one over a Vette or a Lambo!🤣🤣
You could try using a line doubler like the retro tink for 240p content to see if it would make light gun games work properly. It could be the TV doesn't process 240p correctly, if that's the case line doubling to 480p would reduce latancy and display correctly.
Oh hey I have one of those lying around! I'll have to give it a shot!
That's a great idea actually.
I got one of these about 20 years ago, basically for free from Harris Corp who used it for tradeshows. They got tired of transporting it so they got rid of it. GameCube looked great on it and sports in 1080i looked incredible. It's an amazing TV ... but too big for one person to handle. I had to leave it behind when I moved. I should have found a way to keep it.
The West: *Barn find!*
Japan: *common house item used by gigi (grampa) in the current year*
Someday I'll have to do a video on the JBL stereo I have pieced together over the years- many Gigis would be VERY interested in it.
Very cool. For once I am pleased with the TH-cam algorithm.
Hey, maybe you’ll like my older stuff from before this one! The algorithm never really seemed to care about those.
You might not know about it, but the US had an extremely similar model, which is the KW-34HD1 (released in 1998 and I believe costed the same price), which does some things this one can do, like 1080i component video (3 ports I think). Really, the only major differences is that it's 2 inches smaller, and there is no VGA input, but apart from all that it looks and performs almost the same. There have been a few people who have even sold these online on sites like offer up, but no one has ever uploaded a video of one so far as it's as rare as the one you have, if not, rarer. You should check out this TV if you can by searching the model online.
Fun fact- this HiVision is actually 34” by normal USA standards. That’s the viewable on this. While I think that KW-34HD1 has that interesting proprietary DVI port, does it scale everything to 1080i? That would be my main concern.
@dorfus Wait, you knew about this TV? Nice, as almost no one does! Anyway, the manual doesn't specify that, but it does say that there is one component video input that is labeled "for use of 1080i signal only" while the same is for the DVI port. I believe that the other inputs scale to 480i. Also, I believe that DVI has better clarity than component video, as I can verify that as I used to have a Mitsubishi 1080i rear projection CRT TV that had a DVI port and it did look better than the component inputs, making the US model have one major advantage of the Japanese model, if of course it can be used with an HDMI to DVI adapter, which I don't see why not.
How does this compare to the pro-feel line of hd crts or qualia?
It’s been a long time since I’ve handled a qualia product, but there are similarities. The actual build quality is on par, but the design isn’t as “out there” as the qualia products that would come after it.
Ragingly jealous. It's basically a 36" CRT widescreen computer monitor. I assume it's doing 100hz on all the other inputs.
120Hz for NTSC; 100Hz for PAL.
Would love one of these. I collect Laserdiscs (as well as play retro game consoles like Dreamcast). I have a MUSE Hi-Vision Laserdisc compatible player which can play HD Laserdiscs (HLD-X9). I need to run the MUSE signal through a separate MUSE decoder to get a component HD 1080i output that works with a modern HD screen. Looks like your model has the decoder built in.
@@tomlee80 yep! It does. I’d love to see actual MUSE content on it- I’ve only run 60p 1080i rips of muse content. It’d be interesting to see if there’s a difference between that and the actual MUSE decoder. But hey! I’m always open to offers on it- it’s just so heavy and would be horrible to ship without an experienced mover.
I had a TV similar to this back in 09. It was 4:3 though. But the front was flat and it had an HDMI port. And yeah it was easily 200 lbs. Unfortunately, I made the brain-dead mistake of packing it right next to a 4x12 speaker cab when I moved and I could never get the color right again.
This is so exiting. A old tv that has a great experience with new things. Simply amazing
I’m not too familiar with CRT’s, but I’d be interesting to see this thing next to my Pioneer KRP-500M reference plasma monitor. How’s the black level in a blacked out room? Any glow?
I got one of the early 16:9 CRTs by LG called "Infineon". It had component but only accepted 576p. It also had a PC RGB which accepted 1080i. It was also 100Hz and was capable of 12-PIP and Split Channel PiP. It was white in colour with a silver speaker grille at the bottom which was very loud and bassy! It had a stainless steel top panel with controls and everytime it turned on it used to Degause the screen. One thing that sucked, it would always go to Channel 1 analogue and not remember the last input it was on. I originally wanted the Sony but it was too expensive. This TV was $4000 to buy and I had to finance it. Plasma's were out at the time but they were over $10,000!! My set was 32"
Perfect tube!
Beautiful colors.
Please tell me the name of the downscaler for connecting Nintendo Switch and PlayStation 5!?
That CRT looks beautiful and like it came out not long ago! It doesn't look like it was released years ago, seriously. And the fact that it supported 1080i when it came out is insane. Enjoy it. I prefer the 15" to 20" CRT screen size though since I use it on a computer desk and play close to it.
It’s wild how much of their design language for the next 20 years was established in 1998. I will admit I use a 27” and a 15” more, since they’re in more comfortable rooms.
Were HD CRTs always using the trinitron design (fell out of patent in the later years and other companies started using it), or did they use shadow mask for HD-CRT?
All Trinitron tubes including WEGA, Hi Vision, all Sony HD CRTs are exclusively Aperture Grille. Only Sony made them in their own factories. No corporation on Earth could justify paying Sony royalties to use their Aperture Grille technology because the factories would have to be fitted and kitted out to specifically make Aperture Grille CRTs. They couldn't just make Shadow Mask CRTs one day then Aperture Grille the next with the same equipment and processes because the tools to make CRT at scale costs billions of dollars of infrastructure. Any monitor that wasn't Sony branded but Aperture Grille CRT was still a Sony made CRT.
@@lancepage1914 It's hard to understand. I thought some of the later model flat CRTs were putting out more light, like Trinitron, using a similar design, like Diamondtron from Mitsubishi, and I had heard it said that IBM's ThinkVision CRT monitors were aperture grill and some of Dell's or NEC's monitors.
@@lancepage1914 After the Trinitron patents expired there were quite a few third-party companies that made Aperture Grille TVs such as Mitsubishi who made "Diamondtron" tubes, mostly for CRT monitors like my NEC MultiSync FE-1250+.
What an incredible find!
I had a similar sony like this over 20 yrs ago but it had a matching silver base with a glass door that it sat into and the black glass door cover the buttons at the bottom of the TV
I have a Pioneer HLD-X9 HiVision/Muse laserdisc player which would connect directly to the muse inputs and
with a HiVision disc give you an excellent HD picture.
I have to use an external decoder to get the same results, like anything that was only sold in Japan the players
decoders and discs were very expensive, even today the discs sell for very high prices, and i only have a few of them.
It would be great to see just how good these HD discs would look on this TV.
Agreed! Please feel free to mail it all at your convenience. 😁
you could also send it to a specialist to try to align the picture via service menu so you won't see the crooked bottom black line.
You wouldn't expect it me being 24, but I used to have one when I was a teenager. I wish my parents hadn't made me trash it when I got my first flat screen.
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I'll add that I was young and didn't understand fully what I had on my hands. I couldn't tell you anything about it's different features as I actually learned a whole lot watching your video. I do however remember that my model had English writing on the TV and the remote. I only added that because the only other comments I see from people who had them got them from Japan.