Small detail about No Way Home that I really liked was when Aunt May tells Peter “with great power comes great responsibility” for the first time, Peter says “yeah, I know…” which I’m sure is a nod to him losing uncle Ben, and if you recall his line to Tony in Civil War “when you can do the things that I can, but you don’t, and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you.” Which means peter has always had these ideals. Just after everything he’s been through in his few years of being Spider-Man, he started to lose hope. He needed to be reminded at that moment who he is and why he does what he does by the woman who loved him the most
@@davidcameron8870look, i agree that may's grave should be next to ben but we dont even know who buried her cuz peter just runs away after the cops start shooting him raimi trilogy makes it look like ben should be mentioned every single time but that's not how it needs to be, his importance it's made clear by what welldave said
I don't mind Peter doing dumb shit, at his age I was doing the same stupid things. People forget that he's still a kiddo, not a grown "kid" like in the Raimi trilogy.
Small detail about the No Way Home classic suit, if you watch the credits animation sequence, you’ll notice it seems like Peter made drawings of Tobey and Andrew’s logos from memory. Which kind of confirms that he did indeed take inspiration from them for his spider logo and coverall look of his costume
I've enjoyed how Tom Holland's Spidey has developed over the years. I've found all three movies charming and in line with the character. No Way Home had a few odd moments, but there was plenty of great stuff too.
People are acting like spiderman defeating beings he shouldn't have defeated is a big deal. I don't see people complaining about Spiderman one tapping quicksilver or blitzing firestar with pure speed and agility but they won't hesitate to apply those feats in vs debates.
I loved how at the end you dissected WHY Tony meant so much to Peter in the first place. I recall a certain youtuber whose name may rhyme with “Troyoboyo17” cited that Peter idolized Tony BECAUSE he was a billionaire which ???? I notice the MCU’s take kinda makes Spider-Man fans insane, so I’m glad theres a video like this that isn’t in ridiculously bad faith lol. The mcu’s take is one of my favorites because the writers took advantage of the Cinematic Universe’s long-form storytelling to endear us to the character and slowly raise the stakes and seriousness. Peter’s choice to unperson himself meant so much because ever since 2016, we’ve *seen* the growth, we’ve seen how much he’s been through. In a way its sort of like the Harry Potter movies lmao
As much as I really like Troyoboyo17’s channel and videos, he has admitted to having a hate boner for Tony Stark. Given by certain comments I’ve heard him say throughout his videos, I think it’s because he has a sort of negative look on billionaires IRL as a whole and just doesn’t like Tony for it? Also I don’t know why he thought Peter idolized Tony for being a billionaire. If we dive deeper into why Peter idolizes Tony so much. Marvel did decide to make a popular theory canon. And say that the little boy in the Ironman helmet Tony saved in Ironman 2 was a young Peter Parker. So he’s not idolizing some random billionaire, but basically the hero that saved him all those years ago (which I wish was touched on in FFH). Plus I think Tony understands Peter on a more personal level since their origins are the same. Both gained great power, used it irresponsibly, innocent people got hurt and they both became heroes using their great power responsibly to make up for their past actions…plus their both geniuses. Tony and Peter’s connection together is actually one of my favorite things about the MCU.
and the whole point of the third act of homecoming was peter trying to stop vulture without tonys tech/help and the whole point of far from home is about how peter learns that he doesnt need to be the next iron man and he decides to continue being spider man
The rubble scene, the drone fight, “do a flip”, all the high school stuff, the mysterio hologram sequence, all of nwh. There’s plenty of iconic moments
I appreciate this video a lot. And I think you’re one of the few people who actually see through and understand what the studios were trying to do. Long term storytelling. Peter Parker was placed in a world full of superheroes and had powers so young. He wanted to find his place and know what to do. That superhero life was kind of introduced a bit soon when stark recruited him in civil war. So he became so overwhelmed by the superhero life and felt pressure to be like everyone else. This transitioned to homecoming when he was a 15 year old who learnt it was best to stay grounded. Far from home he learnt to not trust everyone blindly and that it’s time to be his own man after the death of stark, but things turned sideways when his identity was revealed and led into no way home. This caused his friends missing out on moving to college, and his reputation tainted. He made selfish but noble choices that led to alot of disarray when he went to doctor strange for a memory wipe. But he then learnt to accept accountability and repercussions for his decisions. He still feels guilty for the death of may because of his choices but now he knows that he can’t let another loved one die because of him. So he makes mj and Ned forget about him and move on without him to protect them. He now knows that with great power there must also come great responsibility, a lesson learnt by May. As long as he’s Spider-Man he’ll always have enemies and loved ones will always be at risk, so he lets them go and carries on with a newfound sense of freedom, “Peter Parker is no more, but Spider-Man lives on.”
9:31 I dunno if im wrong or not but i appreciate the detail there of Peters Business suit being all ruffled up there...nice attention to detail based on the circumstance of the scene
IMO the Tom Holland home is one lowkey my favorite live action spidey movies. Tobey will always have a soft spot in my heart and SM2 will be the BEST spiderman movie to me, but I do like what they did with MCU spidey. He had such good character development by going from a kid eager to please Tony, his mentor/father figure. To being his own solo, capable Spider-Man. I know they aren’t perfect but neither are Tobeys or Andrews SM movies
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Thanks for this video because I've been a fan of the home trilogy for as long as I can remember because It came out at a formative time In my life and it was nice to have a spider man that for lack of a better term grow up with me and i just feel so bad because so many people like to crap on this version of spider man saying his not "really" spider man he's IrOn BoY JUnIoR and I'm like dude spider man can be more than one thing there are many interpretations and just because you don't like one doesn't make him any less spider man just thought I'd throw that out there
I think why Spider-Man is my favorite even with all the characters in the Mcu is the mantle itself and what it means. He may not be the god of thunder, or the first avenger, or even captain Marvel. But his real power comes from always doing what’s right even when it feels like the hardest decision in the world. He sacrifices his own happiness for the better of the world and being that face to look up to for the little man. No matter how many heroes marvel introduces or how many villains go against them, when Spider-Man shows up he takes center stage.
Ngl, this has to be one of my favorite alternate takes on Peter Parker. Like, he's not exactly "comics accurate," but I love the way they made him work while still staying true to who Spider-man is as a character. One of my favorite parts about Spider-man is how many different interpretations of him that there are, and Mcu Spidey being my favorite movie version of him definitely shows that in a way.
i dont understand why people say that doctor strange was dumb in no way home when he clearly mentions that hes done it before just not with a person and he obviously didnt think it was a big deal and the only reason he failed was bc peter kept on adding names to remember his secret identity everytime strange was halfway done
Homecoming: Learning to be himself, instead of trying to be like his heroes Ffh: learning he has to take on a bigger responsibility, but can do it in his own way Nwh: learning the extent to which his loved one will be in danger
While No Way Home did a lot to tie the narrative together in a way that lent credence to the previous films, I still find it a baffling decision to set Spider-Man's origin back so much that it took 5 years and 6 films to get to us to a Spider-Man that stood for the same values he always did in previous iterations.
I mean. We can’t just say it that way though. When May tells Peter the “with great power” line for the first time, Peter says “yeah, I know”. Which means he’s always had these ideals but he needed to be reminded of them in that moment.
But he always stood for the same values he did in previous iterations. If you think NWH fixed MCU Spider-Man or that he only became Spider-Man after that film you missed the whole point of the trilogy as well as misunderstood the narrative being told with them. The trilogy isn't about him becoming Spider-Man he always has been its about him becoming a full fledged hero.
Ok your reaction to the reveal of Spider-Man was probably the first time I was actually invested in the mcu……. And really the only reason I’m sticking with them
idk anybody spotted this detail, but even in No Way Home, Norman's clean white teeth shows when Norman is in present. And Green Goblin's rotten a bit unbalanced teeth (which is real Willam Dafoe's teeth btw) show up when Goblin's present.
It really was a fun ride watching the home trilogy I remember seeing his first appearance in Civil War in my last semester in high school to watching No Way Home in my last semester in college
Hated the Iron Man involvement. Should of been the opposite case where he is not even on the Avengers radar. Have him, still fresh from Uncle Ben's death want to be seen more as the hero he is instead of being under appreciated. But by the end of the trilogy he does not care aboht getting it, or even getting thanked for it. But save for Jamenson and his followers, he ironically gets the appreciation and grattitude of the city anyway And post credit scene reveals he gets the attention of Nick Fury and the Avengers as well. After his trilogy he starts to get more crossovers with the other heroes.
Also if you haven't watched implicitly pretentiouses videos on MCU spider man including his "defense of MCU spider man video it pretty much takes down every bad criticism of the character it's a pretty good video even if i don't agree with all of his points
Meh none of his films did it for me the way the past 2 series have. Hate how he is written after civil war. That was literally the only amazing tom scene imo. J Homecoming was ok even if spidey was written as a bumbling idiot compared to civil war. Far from home was dookie and no way home was mid. No way home had some good stuff but even the good parts are ridden with issues. THIS IS MY OPINION DO NOT ATTACK ME. i respect your opinion though amazing spider dude. Lets just agree to disagree lol. Love your videos btw!!! Got into the channel a few weeks ago!!!
ILL SAY IT, ILL FUCKING SAY IT I prefer Andrew Garfield's Peter, I don't think he was a bad Peter, and I am biased cus I was very similar to that depiction of Peter as a teen To me, Tom was too much of a child, he felt more like a 12yo than a 15/16yo and Tobey was wayyyy too awkward so I couldn't relate to him, and I think a lot of guys my age will agree that the whole being so awkward around girls that you cant even speak dosnt happen anymore
It's a great movie, plenty of fun fanservice and it's great seeing the previous Spideys back, I hate its premise and the stupid decisions everyone makes throughout. Doctor Strange being an idiot at the start to kick it all off, not a fan of aunt May dying either, we could've had at least one happy-ish Spidey! And the ending is again really stupid. It would have been better if the spell was just to make everyone forget Peter was Spider-Man, that'd make sense, but it was to make everyone forget Peter ever existed which is...stupid. Guess magic also erased all his documentation and government details or whatever, that really took me out of the story...
I am not a fan of the MCU Spider-Man films don’t get me wrong. I love Tom Holland he played a good Spider-Man/Peter Parker but, the problem I have with the MCU Spider-Man is it just doesn’t feel like Spider-Man. It feels like an Iron Man junior film also spider-Man no way home is got to be one of the most overrated Spider-Man movies it’s good, but I don’t consider as a masterpiece.
Truthfully, I dislike the entire home trilogy and how the MCU treated Spider-Man and his lore. Honestly, I think it was a good idea on paper, but it was not good in practice.
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Merry Christmas and happy holidays yall🤍
Oh shit…
NOOOO
You used the Tobey suit in the thumbnail dummy
Small detail about No Way Home that I really liked was when Aunt May tells Peter “with great power comes great responsibility” for the first time, Peter says “yeah, I know…” which I’m sure is a nod to him losing uncle Ben, and if you recall his line to Tony in Civil War “when you can do the things that I can, but you don’t, and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you.” Which means peter has always had these ideals. Just after everything he’s been through in his few years of being Spider-Man, he started to lose hope. He needed to be reminded at that moment who he is and why he does what he does by the woman who loved him the most
Well said!
so wheres the grave of uncle ben?
@@davidcameron8870look, i agree that may's grave should be next to ben but we dont even know who buried her cuz peter just runs away after the cops start shooting him
raimi trilogy makes it look like ben should be mentioned every single time but that's not how it needs to be, his importance it's made clear by what welldave said
I don't mind Peter doing dumb shit, at his age I was doing the same stupid things. People forget that he's still a kiddo, not a grown "kid" like in the Raimi trilogy.
Small detail about the No Way Home classic suit, if you watch the credits animation sequence, you’ll notice it seems like Peter made drawings of Tobey and Andrew’s logos from memory. Which kind of confirms that he did indeed take inspiration from them for his spider logo and coverall look of his costume
I've enjoyed how Tom Holland's Spidey has developed over the years. I've found all three movies charming and in line with the character. No Way Home had a few odd moments, but there was plenty of great stuff too.
13:45 The whole scene was "Something, something, math trick, something, something, Strange lose" to be honest, they could've though the scene better.
People are acting like spiderman defeating beings he shouldn't have defeated is a big deal. I don't see people complaining about Spiderman one tapping quicksilver or blitzing firestar with pure speed and agility but they won't hesitate to apply those feats in vs debates.
I loved how at the end you dissected WHY Tony meant so much to Peter in the first place. I recall a certain youtuber whose name may rhyme with “Troyoboyo17” cited that Peter idolized Tony BECAUSE he was a billionaire which ????
I notice the MCU’s take kinda makes Spider-Man fans insane, so I’m glad theres a video like this that isn’t in ridiculously bad faith lol.
The mcu’s take is one of my favorites because the writers took advantage of the Cinematic Universe’s long-form storytelling to endear us to the character and slowly raise the stakes and seriousness. Peter’s choice to unperson himself meant so much because ever since 2016, we’ve *seen* the growth, we’ve seen how much he’s been through. In a way its sort of like the Harry Potter movies lmao
As much as I really like Troyoboyo17’s channel and videos, he has admitted to having a hate boner for Tony Stark. Given by certain comments I’ve heard him say throughout his videos, I think it’s because he has a sort of negative look on billionaires IRL as a whole and just doesn’t like Tony for it? Also I don’t know why he thought Peter idolized Tony for being a billionaire.
If we dive deeper into why Peter idolizes Tony so much. Marvel did decide to make a popular theory canon. And say that the little boy in the Ironman helmet Tony saved in Ironman 2 was a young Peter Parker. So he’s not idolizing some random billionaire, but basically the hero that saved him all those years ago (which I wish was touched on in FFH).
Plus I think Tony understands Peter on a more personal level since their origins are the same. Both gained great power, used it irresponsibly, innocent people got hurt and they both became heroes using their great power responsibly to make up for their past actions…plus their both geniuses. Tony and Peter’s connection together is actually one of my favorite things about the MCU.
yeah troyo makes good content but sometimes weirdly injects his personal ideals like his disdain for rich people in places
and the whole point of the third act of homecoming was peter trying to stop vulture without tonys tech/help and the whole point of far from home is about how peter learns that he doesnt need to be the next iron man and he decides to continue being spider man
I just wish the trilogy had more iconic Spider-Man moments, it lacks that Spider-Man feeling and just feels like another mcu character at times
The rubble scene, the drone fight, “do a flip”, all the high school stuff, the mysterio hologram sequence, all of nwh. There’s plenty of iconic moments
I appreciate this video a lot. And I think you’re one of the few people who actually see through and understand what the studios were trying to do. Long term storytelling. Peter Parker was placed in a world full of superheroes and had powers so young. He wanted to find his place and know what to do. That superhero life was kind of introduced a bit soon when stark recruited him in civil war. So he became so overwhelmed by the superhero life and felt pressure to be like everyone else. This transitioned to homecoming when he was a 15 year old who learnt it was best to stay grounded. Far from home he learnt to not trust everyone blindly and that it’s time to be his own man after the death of stark, but things turned sideways when his identity was revealed and led into no way home. This caused his friends missing out on moving to college, and his reputation tainted. He made selfish but noble choices that led to alot of disarray when he went to doctor strange for a memory wipe. But he then learnt to accept accountability and repercussions for his decisions. He still feels guilty for the death of may because of his choices but now he knows that he can’t let another loved one die because of him. So he makes mj and Ned forget about him and move on without him to protect them. He now knows that with great power there must also come great responsibility, a lesson learnt by May. As long as he’s Spider-Man he’ll always have enemies and loved ones will always be at risk, so he lets them go and carries on with a newfound sense of freedom, “Peter Parker is no more, but Spider-Man lives on.”
9:31
I dunno if im wrong or not but i appreciate the detail there of Peters Business suit being all ruffled up there...nice attention to detail based on the circumstance of the scene
Ah yes, the home trilogy a trilogy worth watching
IMO the Tom Holland home is one lowkey my favorite live action spidey movies. Tobey will always have a soft spot in my heart and SM2 will be the BEST spiderman movie to me, but I do like what they did with MCU spidey. He had such good character development by going from a kid eager to please Tony, his mentor/father figure. To being his own solo, capable Spider-Man. I know they aren’t perfect but neither are Tobeys or Andrews SM movies
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Thanks King well done and keep up the hard work!
I hope you upload more i love all ur vids bro
Thanks for this video because I've been a fan of the home trilogy for as long as I can remember because It came out at a formative time In my life and it was nice to have a spider man that for lack of a better term grow up with me and i just feel so bad because so many people like to crap on this version of spider man saying his not "really" spider man he's IrOn BoY JUnIoR and I'm like dude spider man can be more than one thing there are many interpretations and just because you don't like one doesn't make him any less spider man just thought I'd throw that out there
I think why Spider-Man is my favorite even with all the characters in the Mcu is the mantle itself and what it means. He may not be the god of thunder, or the first avenger, or even captain Marvel. But his real power comes from always doing what’s right even when it feels like the hardest decision in the world. He sacrifices his own happiness for the better of the world and being that face to look up to for the little man. No matter how many heroes marvel introduces or how many villains go against them, when Spider-Man shows up he takes center stage.
Ngl, this has to be one of my favorite alternate takes on Peter Parker. Like, he's not exactly "comics accurate," but I love the way they made him work while still staying true to who Spider-man is as a character. One of my favorite parts about Spider-man is how many different interpretations of him that there are, and Mcu Spidey being my favorite movie version of him definitely shows that in a way.
i dont understand why people say that doctor strange was dumb in no way home when he clearly mentions that hes done it before just not with a person and he obviously didnt think it was a big deal and the only reason he failed was bc peter kept on adding names to remember his secret identity everytime strange was halfway done
i mean if stan lee himself said toms spiderman was the vision he had for him years ago then i think tom is the most accurate peter😭
Did he really?.
The Thumbnail looks killer
All 3 movies are great (homecoming is easily the best though), but it feels like Peter goes through the same arc in each movie to some degree
BASEDD
Not exactly
Each movie is a different arc but they share a theme.
Homecoming: Learning to be himself, instead of trying to be like his heroes
Ffh: learning he has to take on a bigger responsibility, but can do it in his own way
Nwh: learning the extent to which his loved one will be in danger
@@aryanadvaita8995 exactly
I personally liked Tom Holland Spider-Man I thought his journey was super heartfelt and interesting in my opinion.
While No Way Home did a lot to tie the narrative together in a way that lent credence to the previous films, I still find it a baffling decision to set Spider-Man's origin back so much that it took 5 years and 6 films to get to us to a Spider-Man that stood for the same values he always did in previous iterations.
That's honestly my main reason for being unable to bring myself to like Tom's Spider-Man.
I mean. We can’t just say it that way though. When May tells Peter the “with great power” line for the first time, Peter says “yeah, I know”. Which means he’s always had these ideals but he needed to be reminded of them in that moment.
But he always stood for the same values he did in previous iterations. If you think NWH fixed MCU Spider-Man or that he only became Spider-Man after that film you missed the whole point of the trilogy as well as misunderstood the narrative being told with them. The trilogy isn't about him becoming Spider-Man he always has been its about him becoming a full fledged hero.
@@johnman8398 if u say so buddy
@@nopeyepp he’s right
Wow terrific video! You really summarized why I liked this trilogy so much as well.
Ok your reaction to the reveal of Spider-Man was probably the first time I was actually invested in the mcu……. And really the only reason I’m sticking with them
I like to see tom Holland spider man before civil war
This guy deserves for subs!
2 year later and the movie is stil lthe best film what a time to be alive boys
idk anybody spotted this detail, but even in No Way Home, Norman's clean white teeth shows when Norman is in present. And Green Goblin's rotten a bit unbalanced teeth (which is real Willam Dafoe's teeth btw) show up when Goblin's present.
It really was a fun ride watching the home trilogy I remember seeing his first appearance in Civil War in my last semester in high school to watching No Way Home in my last semester in college
Hated the Iron Man involvement. Should of been the opposite case where he is not even on the Avengers radar.
Have him, still fresh from Uncle Ben's death want to be seen more as the hero he is instead of being under appreciated. But by the end of the trilogy he does not care aboht getting it, or even getting thanked for it.
But save for Jamenson and his followers, he ironically gets the appreciation and grattitude of the city anyway
And post credit scene reveals he gets the attention of Nick Fury and the Avengers as well.
After his trilogy he starts to get more crossovers with the other heroes.
I’m just hoping Spider-Man 4 to be good
Superhero fans are always so impatient
Also if you haven't watched implicitly pretentiouses videos on MCU spider man including his "defense of MCU spider man video it pretty much takes down every bad criticism of the character it's a pretty good video even if i don't agree with all of his points
4:30 during infinity war were Peter died 8 was crying sooooooo much
15:00 this scene in the cinema was like tripping balls bro whole thing felt so off
the movie takes place in Late October Early November and ends in December
beautifully said man, absolute banger
Meh none of his films did it for me the way the past 2 series have. Hate how he is written after civil war. That was literally the only amazing tom scene imo. J
Homecoming was ok even if spidey was written as a bumbling idiot compared to civil war. Far from home was dookie and no way home was mid. No way home had some good stuff but even the good parts are ridden with issues. THIS IS MY OPINION DO NOT ATTACK ME. i respect your opinion though amazing spider dude. Lets just agree to disagree lol. Love your videos btw!!! Got into the channel a few weeks ago!!!
I live in England, so I’m going with the hot chocolate 🥶🥶🥶🥶
Why is Toby in the thumbnail
ILL SAY IT, ILL FUCKING SAY IT
I prefer Andrew Garfield's Peter, I don't think he was a bad Peter, and I am biased cus I was very similar to that depiction of Peter as a teen
To me, Tom was too much of a child, he felt more like a 12yo than a 15/16yo and Tobey was wayyyy too awkward so I couldn't relate to him, and I think a lot of guys my age will agree that the whole being so awkward around girls that you cant even speak dosnt happen anymore
It's a great movie, plenty of fun fanservice and it's great seeing the previous Spideys back, I hate its premise and the stupid decisions everyone makes throughout. Doctor Strange being an idiot at the start to kick it all off, not a fan of aunt May dying either, we could've had at least one happy-ish Spidey! And the ending is again really stupid. It would have been better if the spell was just to make everyone forget Peter was Spider-Man, that'd make sense, but it was to make everyone forget Peter ever existed which is...stupid. Guess magic also erased all his documentation and government details or whatever, that really took me out of the story...
Nah my question is why Aunt May is a young lady like is it just for Happy
I am not a fan of the MCU Spider-Man films don’t get me wrong. I love Tom Holland he played a good Spider-Man/Peter Parker but, the problem I have with the MCU Spider-Man is it just doesn’t feel like Spider-Man. It feels like an Iron Man junior film also spider-Man no way home is got to be one of the most overrated Spider-Man movies it’s good, but I don’t consider as a masterpiece.
It feels weird to call it overrated considering how many “Um actually, it’s not that good” videos have been coming out in recent times
@@jerryborjon what ?
@@TheBlackOtakuhis comment was pretty understandable dude
Oooo
That thumbnail is extremely fanboyish bro.
Truthfully, I dislike the entire home trilogy and how the MCU treated Spider-Man and his lore. Honestly, I think it was a good idea on paper, but it was not good in practice.
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