Madness effects could include dissapearing fake pickups, enemies that look innocent until they attack, enemies that look like different enemies until you attack them, fake extra enemies that dissappear when you get close, reduced aim assist, faster movement speed, etc...
Sounds cool on paper, but I can picture people hating this feature if it was actually implemented like this. It fits a slower paced survival horror game pretty fine, not much in a game where gathering info in a rapid pace while running around and shooting is priority. If the game lies to you and you die because of it that's not your fault, especially in this system where it incentivises damaging enemies aka the thing you should be doing in order to get through a section.
Forgive Me Father is 2022's most underrated retro style first person shooter. It's Lovecraftian themed elements makes those of the original Quake blush. Four nights prior to me writing this comment I 100%ed Forgive Me Father's achievements making it my newest game on Steam to set foot on my Perfect Games list out of my 16 Perfect Games that I'm currently rocking! Great video review btw.
Glad to hear it turned out as good as the early access campaign suggested! Can't say I agree with the auto-switch suggestion, as I prefer to keep track of these things myself and consider it a self-inflicted, gameplay appropriate failstate to get stuck on a weapon you're out of ammo for, but to each their own. A menu option for that might be a one-size-fits-all solution there.
I was waiting for this to leave early access, can't wait to play it this weekend. Congrats on GOG partnership! Maybe you could cover The Wheel Of Time re-release?
Completely agree with the save system, I'm really not a fan of fixed save points in action-packed shooters. If devs really don't want to allow the player to save-scum, just disable quick saves in active combat zones, instead of slowing down gameplay by encouraging repeated trips back and forth between save stations. Also, having to hold down the interact button to open the proper save menu, no thanks. Overall the game does look like great fun, though.
Ultrakill has a nice solution to this. There fixed savepoints that you have to cross to get further. Usually after or before a big fight or after a long section. This game is more sparse on checkpoints. But I'd say the pain he got from this is self inflicted. If you aren't good enough, lower your difficulty. Issue is, the beginning is quite easy and later on it becomes a real challenge so you may not want to redo all the levels.
The game is really good and fun, the ammo scarcity and the save points instead of checkpoints are really holding it back for me tho. The gunplay enemies and art style are incredible and i do recomend playing it to anyone who loves fast fps’ like i do. 7/10
cool to see a game exploring the more lurid, b-horror dimensions of lovecrafts work. obviously he is rightly more well known but his works extremely oppressive cosmic dread but thats not all there was to his work.
Finally youtube suggested me a channel with less than 100k subscribers. Know that when you reach that milestone, I'll be already here; your content is awesome.
If you want to test your skills, there is an Endless mode, where you fight wave upon wave of enemies, and yes, it WILL get tougher the longer you fight.
@@88Factor The whole genre is about killing enemies and leaving no one left standing. It seems like something that should've been fixed in early access
I actually started the game with the Journalist, but the dialogue was bad enough that I had to make a switch pretty early. His aren't much better, but more acceptable in the campy "build engine FPS protagonist" kind of way
yea ammo thing is my big pet peeve, how I do running out of good gun ammo it is I just default to press 2 when running out of ammo since pistols rarely run out and I got 2 :)
Awesome video! I am looking to pick this game up soon as it's on sale right now on GOG, but was wondering have they patched the Madness system and ammo like you suggested? Anyways keep up the great content!
To adress the points you made about upgrading too early, the devs actually said that the ammo type for your weapons begin appearing mixed with other ammo only after you upgrade it. For instance, laser beam uses electric ammo, and electric ammo will begin spawning after you have at least 1 electric weapon.
I dunno man, I am playing the game on the second hardest difficulty, and I'm on auto-pilot mode. I only used the madness skill once in my first 5 hrs of gameplay so far, and I dont even notice it being there until I force myself to remember it.
Just something’s that have changed since this video… You mention the game being hard, but it’s very accessible at lower difficulty. Maybe difficulty levels were added after launch… Also, you can use respec tokens now, so thankfully upgrades aren’t permanent. And you can also auto-switch to another weapon once our ornament.
This is cool but the more I look at it, the more I think it would have been more interesting a slower paced game. As it is it's just a cool art style away from any other circle strafing boomer shooter running on GZdoom (assuming this uses that engine).
You'd think that but it feels a lot different in my experience than those types of shooters. I find with the gunplay you have to be very deliberate. It's a lot more difficult to circle strafe around a room and hit your targets in this game than what you've describing. It's still definitely worth a pickup imo.
@@Vipersrule I always play FPS on the hardest difficulty and without quick saving and not enough ammo... that would not be fun. I know its probably stupid reason but there are so many games like this so ill just wait
@@Wickettone1988 I got frustrated a few times with the lack of quick saving, but one thing I noticed was that you kind of just develop formulas or routing for those difficult parts. It's like solving a puzzle where each attempt you add a new piece. Kind of like ultra nightmare attempts in Doom. The lack of ammo is legit though. So many times I had to do a check before entering an area, which as Kirk describes takes away from the push-forward gameplay the devs were hoping for.
Skimmed through this cause I don't wanna spoil Forgive Me Father. This reminds me of X111 and Borderlands which I love🙂🙂 So close to buying this. But enemies look easy, is it challenging? How long is the campaign? Is it worth full price?
It is challenging, especially late game. The campaign is about 6 hours on normal. There are 2 playable characters, so double that time. Worth the price, imo. But you decide what to do with your money
👆 What he said. I tried to keep the spoilers light. Most of the footage is from the first two worlds with some stuff from the late game that's more non-distinct. I do show a lot of the weapon upgrades tho if you wanted those to be a suprise.
The journalist is a pothead. I really liked her voiceacting. It fits the narrative. She did not know what is going on half of the time because she was smoked. Autoswitching weapons would make the game easier let alone ignoring the empty weapons. It would give you too much time to kill and deal with the situation. Just like free saving would ruin this game. It ruins games overall. Fixed save points are great. Many times i was out of the ammo and skills and i did not know if i will be able to make it to the save location and i loved it every single time. These was my favorite moments because i felt something. It is very similar to Dark Souls. You are broken, desperate and out of everything and you do not know what is between you and safety and it is awesome. It would be totally killed if we would be able to spam saves. It would make this game more generic about a big chunk of cliché that makes games so bad, bland and boring in these days.
Pestiville, nice: pestis means plague in Latin. And a priest who is good with weapons makes sense: in the past, a lot of them used to enjoy going out to get some game as a way to spend some time.
Ending kinda sucks & very typical of Lovecraftian theme. Not that the story is the main attraction of this game. Also the ammo attrition should have been much better, like maybe some dead monsters would drop certain ammo from crit kill like headshot.
Really wished those devs made it available for mobile.. All retro /boomershooters . There isn't one not possible to run on mobile nowadays. If I can play Iron fury ,divine frequency, total chaos ,Beyond sunset and so on ,I am 100% sure those like forgive me father ,selaco or dusk would run perfectly . some tweaking from the developers is needed ,yes .but thats absolutely worth it since the gaming market ,especially the mobile one is the biggest entertainment market in the world rn
I feel that they did a massive fail to the story... they should have made with only the priest that is a old vet that have to take upp arms again to kill monsters. And that madness is his ptsd that chutulu use to try to make him go insane. Sorry for being a big nerd!... 🤣
Could just be the video but this looks so jerky it's just unpleasant to watch. Throw in the extremely limited animation frames and my god. I'm a huge Lovecraft and retro FPS fan but this is a hard pass for me.
It feels much different when you're playing. I though tthe same thing when I watched some early access reviews, but when you're actually playing it's much more enjoyable.
@@Vipersrule I'm assuming it's the video then because in some places it looks fine and others it looks like it's missing frames. I'll see if there's a demo to try.
Madness effects could include dissapearing fake pickups, enemies that look innocent until they attack, enemies that look like different enemies until you attack them, fake extra enemies that dissappear when you get close, reduced aim assist, faster movement speed, etc...
Those are good suggestions. I think it would be interesting to see them affect the gameplay.
Or the black borders going crazy and flashing some creepy crawlies in the corner of your screen. They really didn't go all out on this mechanic.
@@KIRKCOLLECTS but also in case the devs come here, I want to tell them that this has the best graphical style I've seen in ANY retro shooter.
Sounds cool on paper, but I can picture people hating this feature if it was actually implemented like this.
It fits a slower paced survival horror game pretty fine, not much in a game where gathering info in a rapid pace while running around and shooting is priority. If the game lies to you and you die because of it that's not your fault, especially in this system where it incentivises damaging enemies aka the thing you should be doing in order to get through a section.
@@TheMikirog You have to make it rare, not constant. You can also make it a trade off, like fatster movement speed as the upside.
Literally bought this an hour ago and I’ve been having a blast with it.
its like Jazzpunk Doom and Darkest dungeon had a baby XD
Forgive Me Father is 2022's most underrated retro style first person shooter. It's Lovecraftian themed elements makes those of the original Quake blush. Four nights prior to me writing this comment I 100%ed Forgive Me Father's achievements making it my newest game on Steam to set foot on my Perfect Games list out of my 16 Perfect Games that I'm currently rocking! Great video review btw.
Two years, too late..... but did you record your gameplay? Would love to see a 100% run!
I played earlier version and it was awesome. Now i see they added new stuff (levels, weapons). Cant wait to try it again.
Glad to hear it turned out as good as the early access campaign suggested! Can't say I agree with the auto-switch suggestion, as I prefer to keep track of these things myself and consider it a self-inflicted, gameplay appropriate failstate to get stuck on a weapon you're out of ammo for, but to each their own. A menu option for that might be a one-size-fits-all solution there.
I was waiting for this to leave early access, can't wait to play it this weekend. Congrats on GOG partnership! Maybe you could cover The Wheel Of Time re-release?
I saw that came out! I definitely want to peek it. I remember watching the gman review and thinking it looked pretty interesting.
Nicely detailed review, thanks Kirk.
Completely agree with the save system, I'm really not a fan of fixed save points in action-packed shooters. If devs really don't want to allow the player to save-scum, just disable quick saves in active combat zones, instead of slowing down gameplay by encouraging repeated trips back and forth between save stations. Also, having to hold down the interact button to open the proper save menu, no thanks.
Overall the game does look like great fun, though.
Ultrakill has a nice solution to this. There fixed savepoints that you have to cross to get further. Usually after or before a big fight or after a long section.
This game is more sparse on checkpoints. But I'd say the pain he got from this is self inflicted. If you aren't good enough, lower your difficulty. Issue is, the beginning is quite easy and later on it becomes a real challenge so you may not want to redo all the levels.
The game is really good and fun, the ammo scarcity and the save points instead of checkpoints are really holding it back for me tho. The gunplay enemies and art style are incredible and i do recomend playing it to anyone who loves fast fps’ like i do. 7/10
This is a great review pal! :D I'm excited to check it out myself
Good review btw. Like your content! 👍
8:02 Many would disagree _vehemently_ with this statement....
cool to see a game exploring the more lurid, b-horror dimensions of lovecrafts work. obviously he is rightly more well known but his works extremely oppressive cosmic dread but thats not all there was to his work.
Finally beat it after 2 years. It kinda goes on longer than it should
Finally youtube suggested me a channel with less than 100k subscribers. Know that when you reach that milestone, I'll be already here; your content is awesome.
If you want to test your skills, there is an Endless mode, where you fight wave upon wave of enemies, and yes, it WILL get tougher the longer you fight.
I'm back a year later. Firstly, great video, secondly, I loved this game
9:34 Yeah, I can just see that priest from "The Exorcist" strafing and hopping all over the place. 🤣
The demo didn't wow me but I hold out hope, especially if you're willing to rep for it. Def check this one out one day. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching! I think the demo was pretty meh too, you gotta get a few levels into this one for it to start kickin.
The save system and lack of ammo seems like huge bummers.
Lack of bullets especially seems rather frustrating for a boomer shooter type game, even a horror themed one.
@@88Factor
The whole genre is about killing enemies and leaving no one left standing. It seems like something that should've been fixed in early access
i think that narrator is Wayne June, his Lovecraft readings are legendary.
I actually started the game with the Journalist, but the dialogue was bad enough that I had to make a switch pretty early. His aren't much better, but more acceptable in the campy "build engine FPS protagonist" kind of way
its like Jazzpunk Doom and Darkest dungeon had a baby XD
Looks pretty cool 😮😮😮😊😊
yea ammo thing is my big pet peeve, how I do running out of good gun ammo it is I just default to press 2 when running out of ammo since pistols rarely run out and I got 2 :)
Also the music bumps
Music was lowkey one of the best surprises.
great review !
i actually quite liked the journalists voice acting. The lines themselves are just ok but the VA makes it work for me.
Congrats on the GOG affiliation!
Enjoyable video
Will buy it, I "consume" anything Lovecraft's related
Awesome video! I am looking to pick this game up soon as it's on sale right now on GOG, but was wondering have they patched the Madness system and ammo like you suggested? Anyways keep up the great content!
To adress the points you made about upgrading too early, the devs actually said that the ammo type for your weapons begin appearing mixed with other ammo only after you upgrade it. For instance, laser beam uses electric ammo, and electric ammo will begin spawning after you have at least 1 electric weapon.
Interesting. I was really having trouble finding ammo for them.
This game looks amazing, WTF
This game looks sick and I'm glad to see it's not style over substance.
Keybinds help a lot when it comes to mousewheel issues.
Wait is that the same guy who did who was the narrator from darkest dungeon?
I dunno man, I am playing the game on the second hardest difficulty, and I'm on auto-pilot mode. I only used the madness skill once in my first 5 hrs of gameplay so far, and I dont even notice it being there until I force myself to remember it.
at the beginning with the GOG segment, what game was that with the mummified arms shuriken throwing fps?
Boomerang X 👍🏻
@@KIRKCOLLECTS thanks my dude.
Just something’s that have changed since this video…
You mention the game being hard, but it’s very accessible at lower difficulty. Maybe difficulty levels were added after launch…
Also, you can use respec tokens now, so thankfully upgrades aren’t permanent. And you can also auto-switch to another weapon once our ornament.
Looks rlly good. Are there further difficulty options after completion?
you CANNOT tell me that the rooftop mission wasn't inspired, at least visually, by Thief. There's no way
This is cool but the more I look at it, the more I think it would have been more interesting a slower paced game. As it is it's just a cool art style away from any other circle strafing boomer shooter running on GZdoom (assuming this uses that engine).
You'd think that but it feels a lot different in my experience than those types of shooters. I find with the gunplay you have to be very deliberate. It's a lot more difficult to circle strafe around a room and hit your targets in this game than what you've describing. It's still definitely worth a pickup imo.
Very clearly doesn't run on GZDoom.
Also yes, as the previous reply points out, it doesn't play quite as easy as it looks.
Ngl no quick saves and lack of ammo are big no-no for me. I will wait and hope for patches. Nightmare Reaper it is then
@@Vipersrule I always play FPS on the hardest difficulty and without quick saving and not enough ammo... that would not be fun. I know its probably stupid reason but there are so many games like this so ill just wait
@@Wickettone1988 I got frustrated a few times with the lack of quick saving, but one thing I noticed was that you kind of just develop formulas or routing for those difficult parts. It's like solving a puzzle where each attempt you add a new piece. Kind of like ultra nightmare attempts in Doom. The lack of ammo is legit though. So many times I had to do a check before entering an area, which as Kirk describes takes away from the push-forward gameplay the devs were hoping for.
Love this game
The hit feedback on some weapons needs work. The Thompson and the shotgun feel like you're shooting at cardboard targets. Otherwise, I loved the game
Skimmed through this cause I don't wanna spoil Forgive Me Father. This reminds me of X111 and Borderlands which I love🙂🙂
So close to buying this.
But enemies look easy, is it challenging?
How long is the campaign?
Is it worth full price?
It is challenging, especially late game. The campaign is about 6 hours on normal. There are 2 playable characters, so double that time. Worth the price, imo. But you decide what to do with your money
👆 What he said.
I tried to keep the spoilers light. Most of the footage is from the first two worlds with some stuff from the late game that's more non-distinct. I do show a lot of the weapon upgrades tho if you wanted those to be a suprise.
@@KIRKCOLLECTS thanks for your feedback guys. Buying Forgive Me Father Sunday. Excited 🙂
@@benprins8240 how is it going thanks have a Blessed weekend all 👌
@@hikeskool you too. Just drinking coffee and watching Sportsnet, gonna play the mod Wolfenstein X soon. You?
The journalist is a pothead. I really liked her voiceacting. It fits the narrative. She did not know what is going on half of the time because she was smoked. Autoswitching weapons would make the game easier let alone ignoring the empty weapons. It would give you too much time to kill and deal with the situation. Just like free saving would ruin this game. It ruins games overall. Fixed save points are great. Many times i was out of the ammo and skills and i did not know if i will be able to make it to the save location and i loved it every single time. These was my favorite moments because i felt something. It is very similar to Dark Souls. You are broken, desperate and out of everything and you do not know what is between you and safety and it is awesome. It would be totally killed if we would be able to spam saves. It would make this game more generic about a big chunk of cliché that makes games so bad, bland and boring in these days.
Pestiville, nice: pestis means plague in Latin. And a priest who is good with weapons makes sense: in the past, a lot of them used to enjoy going out to get some game as a way to spend some time.
Personally I think Pestisville is cringy and way too on the nose. They may as well have just called it plague town imo.
@@StodgyAyatollah aye, I find it kind of fun like "the city of Townsville" in the PowerPuff Girls, but it's just me liking silly redundant names.
Surprised to hear it has good enemies variety. Watched some extracts and it looked like a lot of basic zombies and variations on the imp.
Towards the middle to the end they introduce a lot more enemies.
i havent played the game, but i noticed a lot of normal guns and a few neat lovecraftian looking guns. maybe at
Ending kinda sucks & very typical of Lovecraftian theme. Not that the story is the main attraction of this game. Also the ammo attrition should have been much better, like maybe some dead monsters would drop certain ammo from crit kill like headshot.
It is a fun game
feels more like blood than doom... but guess they are called doom clones for a reason...
fuck Elden Ring this is my game of the year
10/10 game
First :)
Much appreciated 🙌
Mayo do you plan to do a full review now that it's out of EA?
@@Vipersrule Probably not, I'm super busy with stuff right now. I may just do an update video. I don't even have time to play it right now.
Really wished those devs made it available for mobile..
All retro /boomershooters .
There isn't one not possible to run on mobile nowadays. If I can play Iron fury ,divine frequency, total chaos ,Beyond sunset and so on ,I am 100% sure those like forgive me father ,selaco or dusk would run perfectly . some tweaking from the developers is needed ,yes .but thats absolutely worth it since the gaming market ,especially the mobile one is the biggest entertainment market in the world rn
8:08 or maybe it fits perfectly, given the state of journalism.
Seriously though she was super annoying
I feel that they did a massive fail to the story... they should have made with only the priest that is a old vet that have to take upp arms again to kill monsters. And that madness is his ptsd that chutulu use to try to make him go insane. Sorry for being a big nerd!... 🤣
Liek
Could just be the video but this looks so jerky it's just unpleasant to watch. Throw in the extremely limited animation frames and my god. I'm a huge Lovecraft and retro FPS fan but this is a hard pass for me.
It feels much different when you're playing. I though tthe same thing when I watched some early access reviews, but when you're actually playing it's much more enjoyable.
@@Vipersrule I'm assuming it's the video then because in some places it looks fine and others it looks like it's missing frames. I'll see if there's a demo to try.