I Am King now tell me would that ray Allen shot happen if LeBron didn’t score 16 in the 4th to bring them back into the game? No. And forgettin his famous block in game 7 against the iggy that also sealed the game. Stop it, you’re not sayin any type of truth. You just a old head who hates LeBron for no reason LMAO. Respect both Jordan and LeBron for what they did
I Am King yea bro you’re just talkin out ya ass. I ain’t readin all that. Only LeBron haters talk and whine this much LMAO. Jordan is still over LeBron but I will not discredit anything LeBron has done.
Still living in 2011 ? this was 10 years ago, lebron saved his legacy look at his resume, nobody can easily bounce back from such a horrible perfomance in the finals, heat won 2 chips, cavs 1, lakers1, bron got 4 fmvps, 2 reg season mvps after 2011, one series in the finals will not define a players legacy
@Devo just because you say lebron isnt top 5 doesnt make it a fact, just because you say "just because you say lebron is the goat doesnt mean it is a fact" doesnt mean mj is better than lebron
@Devo yeah when jordan has better stats it counts and doesnt need context, but when an other player has more or better stats it doesnt count and it needs more context 😵😵😵
Dude that’s kinda crazy to say. Lebron was putting up 40 point triple doubles when he was 19. Mans has arguably been the most talented and complete player in the league every season of his career. Jordan is the best winner but if you look at it from an individual standpoint, Lebron is the better player in late series playoff games(4-7). He’s actually he greatest late playoff player in history. He’s also been to 10 finals on 3 different teams and won with every single one of them(1 of 2 players in nba history to do that). Not to mention he is far ahead of Jordan in every statistical category. I respect people who think Jordan is the goat but don’t say ignorent shit like that “it’s not even close” headass
@@cameronreed5025 I don’t even need to respond to this as what you said “Lebron is the better player in late series playoff games” invalidates your entire argument.
@@cameronreed5025 bc the truth is that people who have brain know it’s Jordan. No debate. You can throw whatever BS you won’t but nothing will change Lebron’s shortcoming, deficiencies, failures, etc
@@kyongju8328 what are his short comings. If it’s the Dallas finals then sure I’ll give it to you but other than that his reassume speaks for itself. He’s literally has more of everything in every category, and sure he’s already had a longer career but that shouldn’t downplay his accomplishments because he was dominate throughout his career and has had a prime of 15 years. Sure Jordan did a lot is less time but it’s not Lebrons fault he was a better player earlier in his career and hasn’t gotten worse(if anything gotten better). People like you are what makes this debate so stupid because you belittle everyone that doesn’t share you’re opinions. Yes I think Lebron is the goat but I think Jordan is a close ass second. You probably the type to say Lebron isn’t even top 5 which just shows how bias you are.
Yep, in my opinion , that is not the behavior of a professional ... and i am a big time King James follower/fan🏀 ... but since the bubble, i am on semi-pause, NOW just PAUSE 😔😔😔😔
@@christianr1941 BS he didnt have too cause of his personality what a load of BS jordan was no 1 athlete in the world all of sports he was great problem with le bron he has to many weak points to his game thats y its not even a conversation.
Now with all that said. Can u imagine if Jordan didn't retire for almost 2yrs when he played in Chicago? Shit he didn't have to retire after the second 3 peat. Instead of two 3peats it's a very likely possibility he wins 8 str8 rings. If not the rings it would still be the stats. I lost a lot of money because of Jordan, and I hated him during his playing days. I was the only dumbass walking around Chicago betting against him trying to win big on the odds that could have changed my life. We all know how it turned out.😭🤦🏿♂️
some NBA super stars said, if MJ play this era this soft rules, he will average 45, 50pts per game. Mj is d most efficient mid- range shooter of all time. Mj the GOAT
@@adamkhalidabbasi320 MJ averaged 37 in a slow-paced and better defensive era. He will at least average 40 today in the faster and more stretched out era.
6’9” LeBron James has dominated the league in the era of “small ball”, no hand checking, and soft, offense friendly basketball rules. 6’6” Michael Jordan dominated the league in the era of the big center, hand checking, and defense friendly basketball. One team even created a game plan and rules specifically to stop him. Michael Jordan’s name is used in reference to someone being the best at what they do as in, “he’s the Micheal Jordan of” fill in the blank. I’ve never heard anyone use LeBrons name like that. Michael Jordan is known to be clutch, always want the ball in the last seconds, and be so competitive that he will use anything, even a made up slight as motivation to beat you. LeBron in the biggest of moments has been known to shrink, hide, and just plain give up (2011 NBA Championships). He was also accused by his own coach of quitting. Michael Jordan has never quit on his team. So in closing, all you Bronsexuals, keep on spouting your stats that have accumulated over 17 seasons because that’s all you’ve got! Michael Jordan was, is, and will always the platinum standard of what the goat is supposed to represent. In other words....he da 🐐!!!!! Baaaaa!!!
I’ve been watching basketball since Dr. J and Moses Malone won the title in ‘83. The game was better in the 80’s and 90’s. I feel sorry for all you guys who have to watch this crap they call basketball now. But apparently it’s not too many people since only about 5 million and change watched the”Frozen One” win his asterisk. Over 30 million people including me watched Jordan win in 98’
@@XxPlatinumChief I’m sorry if you didn’t get to watch greats like Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Hakeem Olajuwon play. I’m especially sorry if you never got to feel the excitement of watching Michael Jordan. The guy was just on another level from everyone else. I remember how on game day, the buzz in the air before the games. There’s a reason why he’s held so highly. I’m sorry but when they removed the defense from the game, it’s just not basketball anymore.
MJ is the GOAT and Lebron is the GOTE. That's the difference. ______________________________________ Michael Jordan is... Greatest Of ALL TIME ________________________________________ Lebron James is... Greatest Of This Era
@@Goodpatron Jordan is the goat of his era, and lebron is the goat in his era. Doesn’t make sense making one the greatest of all time if they both played in different eras
@@rogerchandelier6673 You're right they didn't win a championship when Jordan retired but they had a really good 50+ win season in which Pippen showed he was the best player in the league. All that right after losing one of the best players of all time shows how stacked the team was. Normally when a team loses a player that good, they're totally destroyed, like when LeBron left the Cavs. So it shows how much support MJ had. They were still one of the top teams in the league even without him. I'm not trying to knock MJ at all. Him and LeBron are the top two all time imo. I just think it's much closer of a debate about who is the best. They're both as good as it gets, just in slightly different ways.
@@lightbeforethetunnel so jr smith not a better shooter den ker and all da role players onnat bulls team dat won chips??🤔 lebron had stacked teams and still loss jr smith top 15 3 point shooter of all time dat tell you sum yall bron fans think bron dont be havin teams too
Some stuff to think about... 1. 2 months into his rookie season, Jordan was declared the best on his team. By the end of that season, he was declared the best in the league (I'll take Magic and Bird's words before some talking heads). 2. Jordan was recognized as not only the best in the league, but the GOAT...before he even won his first championship (by players AND reporters). 3. Jordan never called himself the GOAT in any interview...everyone else did. 4. Jordan played in college, so we'll never know what his stats would be if he went straight into the NBA. 5. Charles Barkley and Karl Malone both won MVPs, simply because the league was tired of giving it to Jordan, even though he was clearly the best in the league. 6. His prime years don't even include his best year, when he won a scoring title, MVP and DPOY. I'm 41. I've seen both careers in full. Objectively speaking...Jordan was just better.
I respect that , you have a level head ,you are not hating on bron but that being said , LeBron is a better player , there's nothing Mike did better than bron , only free throws are his only weakness , other than that in the playoffs , he has same game winners as Mike and kobe combined , he has carried weaker teams to the finals and lost to all time Dynasty teams like spurs and warriors which nobody could beat , but to each his own , respect
@@AmanSingh-bt1rx He had weaker teams? Who is known for trying to build super teams? He lost to Nowitzki for example. MJ stayed with the bulls where Pippen was the only other All Star.
MJ had Killer instinct, never quits, never cries, didn't played in stacked teams, was not an actor on the court, never played a game 7 in the finals and still undefeated in the finals, and was a better clutch player when it counts. Regular season stats mean 💩 in the eyes of MJ. It's all about the rings and championships. MJ will forever be the 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐. LJ definitely deserves a spot in top 3 along with the Mamba.
I see, individuals win championships I agree with you, so robert horry and john havlicek are better than mj because they were able to win more championships ALONE
No wonder he never went to an nba finals game 7, competition was shit: the 1991 Lakers were not even a little bit close to the 1980s Showtime Lakers. no Kareem arguably a top 5 player of all time, a huge presence in the low post, no Micheal Cooper who is considered by many the greatest defender in nba history, in their place there was Sam Perkins a 7 footer that played more behind the 3 point line than he did in the paint and he was a labeled as a soft defender in his career, he flopped and didnt play much defense. an intimidating front line, they were not. despite all this, Magic would have had a chance to beat the Bulls if James Worthy didnt suffer a high sprain ankle against the Blazers, Worthy no longer had quickness or lateral movement for the remainder of the playoffs, the injury affected him throughout the finals, Byron Scott also went down with an injury late in the finals against the Bulls and couldnt play in game 5, Worthy also missed game 5. so basically it was Bulls vs Magic and Magic put up a good fight than MJ would have put if the roles were reversed. 1992 : Blazers: they had one hall of famer: Clyde Drexler and umm... well yeah thats all they had, not much competition at all. blazers also had no inside presence to speak of, a recurring theme in mjs finals matchups, easy ring for mj. 1993:Pheonix Suns: Barkley is a great hofer but he only had KJ on his team, a decent player but no hofer, again no post defense on the suns. tallest player for them was Tom Chambers 6'10" one of the softest defenders of all time. this isnt even the best team barkley played on, the 1985 and 1986 sixers with Dr J, Malone, Cheeks, and Barkley would have wiped the floor with 1993 Bulls and Suns. 1990s teams sucked, the 1993 Suns may have won 62 games against the expansion league but they would struggle to a .500 record in the 80s.1996 sonics they had hofer Gary Payton a great defender and good scorer, they also had Shawn Kemp a player that would show up fat and out of shape at summer camps. so the sonics had a good defender and a lazy underachiever. Sonics had no inside defensive presence. MJ is free to cake walk to the basket all series. Sonics won 64 games, but its easy to win that number of games in a chump expansion league, they wouldnt have hit .500 in 1986, can you say "no competition". 1997 Utah Jazz: many jockers point to the finals against the Jazz as evidence the Bulls would have beaten the 1980s teams. well in fact the Jazz did have 2 hall of famers: John Stockton and Karl Malone who are also 2 of the 50 greatest players in nba history. lets compare:we have Malone Stockton of the 1980s vs Malone Stockton of the 1990s, I'll call this one a draw. at the forward position jazz had thurl bailey a 6'11" powerful and quick forward. the 1990s Jazz had Bryon Russell who didnt even average double figures in ppg for his career. Bailey was a better scorer, better low post defender, better rebounder, averages more assists per game than Bryon Russell. Bailey wins hands down. at center the 1980s Jazz had Mark Eaton who is 7'4", the greatest shot blocker in the modern basketball era. Eaton once averaged 5.6 blocks per game in a single season still a record that stands. all time he averages 3.5 blocks per game wich is also a record that still stands today. the 1990s Jazz had Greg Ostertag, or maybe POSTERtag. the 1980s Jazz would have destroyed MJ and his Bulls. why ? because the 1980s Jazz wich mark Eaton in the lineup gave the 1980s Jordan fits. from 1985 to 1993 the Jazz with mark eaton were 9-7 against mjs Bulls. there would be no waltzing into the lane for MJ against Eaton and Bailey like he did to Ostertag and Bryon Russell. the 1987 Jazz took the LA Lakers to 7 games, you think the 1997 Jazz could do that ? the 1980s Jazz would have destroyed the 1990s Jazz. so we see again, a weak inside presence of the Utah Jazz wich gives MJ 2 more easy rings.
@@dynamic6645 you’re making a lot of excuses and are using semantics to dismiss Jordan’s accomplishments, we can just cancel that out with one question that jordan would NEVER allow: “Can Lebron stop Jason Terry?”
Comparing anybody to Jordan as the GOAT is just a lazy talk... Mike did it all. The difference is so clear between him and other basketball players. He is the GOAT by wide margin.
Dont know why ppl still having this convo. Jordan is on whole different level than lebron. Jordan is the goat. Only player who u can make an argument bout beinh better than jordam is wilt chamberlin.
@@MILFDESTRYR He’s basically saying in any sport or whatever profession nobody says “you’re the LeBron James of so and so...”. It’s always “you’re the Michael Jordan of so and so”. Meaning they’re the best ever at what they do. What you mean where’s the relevance? The whole video is about MJ vs LBJ...
@@Jacob-pz4ku Jordan was in his first 3peat when they called Babe Ruth the Michael Jordan of baseball and was some people was calling him the greatest right after the first 3peat when he was in his prime... Just saying
@@ryderjones8809 6 finals losses, swept in two finals, multiple series shooting under 40%. No one has surpassed Michael Jordan, and I dont think anyone will for a long time.
@@ryderjones8809 How? what other stats are there? He went in depth about their points, and all others stats very unbaisly and showed advanced examples.
Jordan is the GOAT For me, Listen I Love LeBron James in his Prime he was Great. But Jordan in his Prime was just out of this World Especially in the 1st Three Peat.
@@justsayin669 JORDAN has more titles and Individual awards. JORDAN did more with fewer seasons. 2020 Playoffs: *Anthony Davis=28-ppg FG-57% and 10-RPG.* 35-years-old Michael Jordan didn"t have that luxury. He won his last 3 titles with Scotte Pippen averaged 17-ppg, on 39% shooting in the Nba Finals Combined ( 1996/1998 ).
@@allanhouston6759 THat's because today games is more competitive kiddo. All you had to do is wait for the guy in the paint back then to play defense. That wouldn't work now. Also, this guy makes distance from the paint a negative, lebron doesn't need to play like Jordan.
@@allanhouston6759 ok now tell me who he played against. You have newbies like Mitchell and Murray getting 50. This league is far better than it ever was
This narrative of giving lebron a excuse for playing the Warriors is old. Lebron built 2 superteams. Also the Mavs proved a 1 allstar team and beat a 3 allstar team. That Miami team had 3 numbers 1s on it. All in their prime. And lebron was the best player in the league at the time. And this nonsense talking point. That, that Mavs team beat the Lakers doesn't work. Lebron was suppose to be better than Kobe. And there were 2 numbers 1s with lebron. Lebron earned them Ls.
MALLYGEEZ21 Facts! What's crazy is that Warriors team was just a bunch of Draft Picks that built their skills ...KD just happened to join him ..same ish Lebron did ..same ish KG and Ray Allen did
@@superbcannon7386 Exactly, that 16 Warriors team wasn't a superteam. Lebron gets way way to many excuses for getting his doors blown off in the finals. If Dirk could do it. So could lebron. Lebron is suppose to be greater than Dirk.
@@MALLYGEEZ1 huh a team with 3 all-stars isn't a superteam?????? You telling me if Jordan with his skillset played the golden state warriors 4 time he wins one championship at most and looking at his team and what the eye and paper say he win none because jordan could never elevate a team like bron does
@@youngzoe7492 Lebron elevates his team? How? He elevated them to 6 finals loses. He elevated them to not making the playoffs last year. After he activated his playoff intensity in order to get them to the playoffs. But Jordan won 6 chips. Never lose. And two 3peats. But that's not elevating his teammates? Really?
@@youngzoe7492 Lebron had the best team in the league in 11. Did he elevate them to beat a 1 allstar team then? No, Dirk elevated his team to beat the superteam Heat. With 3 number 1s on it. And the best player in the league at the time. ( lebron ). Lebron doesn't elevate anyone. He runs and forms superteams. And no, that GS in 15-16 were not a superteam. That drafted those guys. And they simply got better. Where as lebron ran from team to team. From 2 numbers 1s to 2 more numbers 1s. And still could barely get it done.
It's been over since he lost to the mavs in my opinion. People always bring up Scottie as the reason Jordan has rings. But scottie could not score over 30pts. Wade could drop 40 pts at times. Wade also was one of the best sg wing defenders in nba history. Plus Chris Bosh was good too. Lebron played with more talent then Jordan and was not as successful.
That's 🧢 do you even know why he is considered a goat to some people, that is because young people grew up watching LeBron and young adults watched Jordan growing same as the other older fans watched Kareem dominate😭
Really 11 healthy seasons, dude was on a different level than everyone else. The only player to have 6 titles since the playoff format changed to 4 rounds in 83-84. Only one to 3peat twice since that time as well.
@Haunted X Hahaha. Just like LeBron going to the miami. Chocking when they face the mavs. Get outscored by a 37 year old. Lost 6 finals, w finals swept, the one who invented the flopping game, always complains for each calls.
@Haunted X Ikr, LeBron's the da goat, Only player in NBA history to get clamped by JJ barea in 2011 and get outscored by a 33 year old bench player in Jason Terry. APPRECIATE GREATNESS
Lebron is a great player no doubt but those finals losses, flops, chokes, meltdowns, no defense games, etc is forever etched in his record. They are indelible so he can never and never will be the GOAT imo.
Well, then you weren't watching... LeBron played against: Giannis Antetokounmpo Steve Nash Kevin Durant Jason Kidd Kyle Korver Andre Iguodala Paul Pierce Dirk Nowitzki Luka Doncic Joel Embiid Blake Griffin Kyrie Irving Shaquille O'Neal Paul George Ja Morant Russell Westbrook Chris Paul Tim Duncan Kobe Bryant Damian Lillard Pau Gasol Khris Middleton Klay Thompson Jimmy Butler Serge Ibaka Al Horford Allen Iverson Ray Allen James Harden Manu Ginobili Kawhi Leonard JJ Redick Rajon Rondo Derrick Rose Stephen Curry Tony Parker Kevin Garnett Nikola Jokic Carmelo Anthony Let's see Jordan with or without Scottie Pippen and Phil Jackson against all of that. In todays era where guys can rain 3's like it's nada. Jordan was 0-6 without Scottie LBJ IS KING
Lol of course lebron has longevity but in per game base jordan is the highest PER Box plus minus win shares and value over raplacement in both regular season and the playoffs. Stop it Mike will always be the Greatest in my eyes and im 20 years old im not even saw michael jordan played.
I agree with you on Jordan being the goat but you saying you've never seen him play kinda just proves your bias towards Jordan. That's like saying one dish is better than the other but you've only eaten one of the dishes...
Bs Jordan without pip war was trash. He left a 57 win team and they won 56 and Pippen was number 2 in mvp voting. So when you stacked you could look very dominant look at Durant prior to warriors exposed multiple times against the griz against gsw shit against sa. And that’s with a superstar Russ. So give lebron a great 2 not no Kyrie who can’t guard no one. Or a washed dwade. Give him a ad type and they win automatically. War shouldn’t b close these stats are swayed to your point my friend good try
You're right. Championships don't mean everything....but when you are finals mvp and clearly the best player in every finals you've played in.....kinda does make it matter more than you think
Championships don't mean everything, but they are the most important than every other things. Statistics don't mean everything more than titles, MVPs also aren't everything. Michael Jordan is the GOAT because he has everything, titles, MVPs, finals MVPs, many, many records, statistics, that's why he is the GOAT, Lebron has maybe better statistics, some better records, but he isn't with titles so gpof like Jordan and also Jordan was in first defense team 9 times, Lebron was 5 times, Jordan lead the laegue in scoring 10 TIMES, 10, Lebron was scoring leader only one. Jordan is clearly better player with better career. Anyway, my my favourite player of all time is Kobe Bryant.
Also Lebron has never won or even entered a dunk contest...Greatness in sports is partly about giving the fans what they want! Jordan gave it ALL for the fans and their total entertainment...Also Jordan just has that something (whether charisma, charm...That Lebron just doesn't have)...The smile, the tongue, the flamboyance, the graceful moves consistently, the toughness, the assassins spirit, the GOAT!
The real GOAT is the one who dont call themselves THE GOAT. Three Championship in a row then two years layoffs and then come back to win three in a row and all on the same team.
MJ had a carry job in his second 3-Peat, Scotte Pippen was less efective and he was injured and lot too, and RODMAN also was super old by then and had become a shadow of himself. 1997 Playoffs: RODMAN = 4-ppg FG-37% and 8-RPG. Pippen = 19-ppg FG-41% and 7-RPG. 1998 Playoffs: RODMAN = 5-ppg FG-37% and 12-RPG. Pippen = 17-ppg FG-41% and 7-RPG. 2020 Playoffs: Anthony Davis =28-ppg FG-56% and 10-RPG. MJ didn"t have that luxury.
@@Matt-cl7ee 1998 WCF: Jazz vs Lakers ( 4-0 ). Lakers: Shaquille O"Neal - All-star 1998 and Top 4 in the MVP vote. Eddie Jones - All-star 1998, Nick Van-Exel - All-star 1998, Kobe Bryant - All-star 1998. Karl Malone beat 4 All-stars. 1998 WCSF: Jazz vs Spurs: Spurs: Tim Duncan - All-star 1998 and Top 5 in the MVP vote David Robinson - All-star 1998. Karl Maloine beat 2 HoF. MJ played against great teams. The Bulls were the favorites because they had JORDAN GOAT. 2011 Nba Finals. The Miami Heat were the favorites. 6"2 Jason Terry ( age 33 ) outscored Prime Lebron James.
You know you’re great when you do something spectacular and they call you ‘The Michael Jordan of...’ Imagine if someone said you were ‘The LBJ of...’ you would take offence to that because people would either think you constantly lose or something
@@user-rv8xz1sw7l yeah and only beat them 1 out of 3 times with the help of fluke injuries. When LeBron played the incredible warriors 2018(when chemistry was good and no injuries) and got swept that was embarrassing. I don’t think even mj would have been able to beat that team, but he definitely would have willed his team to at least 1 win.
Michael Jordan is the GOAT. One of the record people don't know is that Jordan never lost 3 games in a row since Dec 1990 through June 1998. That is incredible.
@@ryderjones8809 Here's some facts with context - MJ's 1st 3 yrs before Pippen, he made the playoffs each year while Lebron didn't make the playoffs until his 3rd yr when he beat a 42 win Wizards team & then lost to the 64 win Pistons. MJ did what he could: - Rookie yr: Lost (not swept) to a 59 win Bucks team with a Hall of Fame coach and player, but still averaged 29.3 pts, 5.8 reb, 8.5 ass, 2.8 stl, 1.0 blk. - 2nd yr: Swept by the 86 Celtics (67 wins; 1 of the best teams of all-time) after missing 64 games with a broken foot, but still averaged 43.7, 6.3, 5.7, 2.3, 1.3. - 3rd yr: Swept by Celtics (59 wins; went to the finals) but still averaged 35.7, 7.0, 6.0, 2.0, 2.3. MJ played with Pippen, ranked #124 in all-time PER, for 9 yrs + 17 games when he came out of retirement, but nobody else ranked higher than #192 (Kukoc for 3 yrs). However, Lebron's played 9 years (going on 10 soon) with either Wade (#21 all-time PER) & Bosh (#62), or Kyrie (#33) & Love (#45), or Davis (#3), or pre-superteams with Z (#134) for 7 yrs.
MJ is GOAT hands down. The most elusive accolade is the 3 peat. Even with all the dynasty's that have dominated the league for decades, it has only happened 3 times in NBA History and MJ has 2 of them! The only other 3 peat was Shaq and Kobe. And to add... he did it, switched to an entirely different SPORT, came back and did it again! It's nuts.
@@juanpakinabang4370 LeBron James:"that one right there made me the greatest player of all time, that's what I felt." He said he FELT he became the greatest, he didnt say "I am the goat now." 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
No doubt about it. Getting knocked to the hardwood shortens your career. And they would only call regular fouls for those. Nowadays you drop ass and it's a tech.
Funny how you acknowledge that LeBron has multiple losses in the finals "because he had to face teams like the Golden State Warriors," but you fail to mention why LeBron went to the finals 10 times. Well I'll tell you why. Because the Eastern Conference was the Leastern Conference! Yes, LeBron played in the pitiful, putrid, horrid, atrocious, dismal, abysmal eastern conference for the majority of his overrated career. *COMPETITION MATTERS!!* What made the Leastern Conference even worse is when he decided to corner the market and hijack the eastern conference to where no other team had a real legitimate shot to win. And you call that a "winner?" Smh. If LeBron didn't go to the finals in the Leastern Conference, it would have been an EPIC FAIL of EPIC PROPORTIONS! LeBron breached the moral AND ethical code of competitive decorum! He is a loser! He had a shot to stay with his *1st Seed - SIXTY-SIX* win Cavs and then his *1st Seed - SIXTY-ONE* win Cavs, but the old Celtics broke him! Had Michael Jordan did what LeBron did and joined Hakeem, Bird and Magic...Jordan would still be winning championships! [insert sarcasm]. I don't know how many it would have been, but it would have been a lot of them! Probably around 12 championships! LeFraud Shames has destroyed basketball forever! Now teams have to form their own constructed, orchestrated, manufactured, assembled, personally hand-picked super teams just to compete with his super teams! So NO! LeBron James is not a winner! He is a loser! He manipulated the system and destroyed the game for championships! In closing.....any superstar player...and I mean ANY SUPERSTAR PLAYER can win multiple championships of they corner the market and hijack the league to where no other star has a legitimate chance to win. LeBron took himself right out of the GOAT conversation as soon as he bolted to form the Heatles! Discussion *CLOSED!*
100% correct! And due to the fact, that he will stay and retire in LA ... maybe in 4 years ... he will overtake Jorden in many “total”- categrries ... even in the number of championships ... but, the only real success can be measured in, how inspirational a player was. In this category JORDAN was, is, and will always be the greatest of all time and of all sports. In they 90ys everybody on every court around the world wanted to play like Mike, dunk like Mike, fade away like Mike, be like Mike ...
And longevity actually makes mj look goater even more and taking 2 seasons out of nba and coming back winning titkes its all over it was over when jordan left the nba. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Tim Duncan ( age 37 ), Kevin Garnett ( age 35, 36 ), Ray Allen ( age 35, 36 ), Manu ( age 35 ). Paul Pierce ( age 33, 34 ). They were all old, when Lebron defeated them.
If its undisputed why is always disputed with yall needing to keep explaining why jordan is the best?if he was the clear goat these conversations would not exist on a regular basis......nobody has done what Lebron is doing
@@aaronwise6543 how is jordan the goat when he was cut from varsity....only ncaa title he won was off the back of worthy as freshman....only time he won nba championships is with pippen and phil jackson and he never even made it out the east let alone sniffed a ring without them....
@TheRealist 811 I got Jordan, Kobe and then Bron but that's me many others have it different BUT Kobe was literally Jordan's mirror image IF YOU TALK ABOUT GOAT as far as work effort is concerned KOBE but balling Jordan without question.
@TheRealist 811 he literally just passed Bird. The whole narrative of this guy is so out of line with reality. Curry has had more impact on the game than LeBron.
I think he isn't the 2nd best, rn he is 4th for me, people say he is the 2nd best or the GOAT because he is more recent but there were players better then him
Lebron is teaming up with every superstar that he can and only that way hes been able to win championsips, imagine if jordan joined teams with barkley, then malone etc,etc . Theres no comparison
Exactly, Chicago built organically a championship team and even MJ adjusting his team game, on the other hand Lebron manufactures the teams he thinks he can win with.
That's cause the middle of the road NBA teams now are a top 3 team in the 90s. There is so much more talent in the league now then there was back then and don't forget MJ needed a superstar teammate too
Jordan is the greatest to ever do it, it’s not even close lebrons ass at freethrows, he’s big that’s why he can drive in, like stop being a bronsexuals and admit jordans better
I think both are outstanding players and both of them had outstanding careers the one knock I have against Lebron James is he always teamed up with other stars to win titles vs Michael Jordan flat out beat the other great players to win his titles
That's been my issue when people say Jordan kept losing in the playoffs instead of the finals. Yes Jordan kept losing but he didn't team hop. Scottie got to the Bulls and came off the bench for like three years until he became good. Lebron on the other hand just kept going from team to team begging other guys to join him. Jordan took the Harder road and waited for his team to develop where LeBron didn't. Here's the funny thing, those Cavs teams were number one seeds in back to back seasons. So they weren't complete trash. It wasn't like they were winning 36 games a season. They won 55+ plus games and still couldn't get to the finals.
That’s really why he can’t get no “damn respect” right! Nobody respects you when you take shortcuts to win. It’s why Jordan never had to ask for respect. He showed so much heart and determination through failure and perseverance to finally come out on the other side. It’s why MJ will always be the goat!
yep. and to top that off, its one thing to just go to another team, but he went to a contender who was already established and still has a former FVMP actively playing at his prime. And then have another prime franchise player to join him. I actually believed what he said as well that they would win 7x. Failed the first year then only won 2x. Thats nowhere the dominance MJ and the bulls displayed on their dynasty run. The only thing that stopped the bulls, was not their opponents but their GM breaking the team.
Take 2 minutes and review this comparison I created. MJ vs LBJ. All facts. 10 VS 1 scoring titles (1st AT) -11 vs 1 times total points leader (1st AT) -9 vs 5 All NBA Defensive first team (1st AT) -3x vs 0x steals champion (2nd AT) -516 more steals than lbj wit 5 less seasons played (3rd AT) -31.5 PPG (with Bulls) 1st AT vs 27.0 PPG -33.4 playoffs PPG 1st AT vs 28.7 -33.6 finals PPG 1st AT vs 28.6 -MJ has most PPG in a Finals series in NBA history at 41.1 PPG in 93 finals vs LBJ 35.8 ppg 2015 finals -MJ was '88 DPOY and scoring champ (only player to ever do it) he was also MVP and steals leader that year. LeBron never was DPOY or Steals Leader. -5 MVPs vs 4 (1 behind Kareem, 2nd AT) -6 finals MVPs vs 4 (1st AT) -83.5% vs 74% career FTs. -MJ 1.6 vs lbj 1.2 career offensive REB -Total RPG 6.3 vs LBJ 7.4 -Assists 5.4 vd LBJ 7.4 -LeBron has MJ slightly beat in 2 categories, with 1 more career TRPG, and 2 more career APG. -both have 0.8 career blocks per game -6 chips (6 for 6 100% finals wins, only player to never lose in the finals with over 4 or more trips. LBJ 4 chips (4 for 10, 40% finals wins) -LeBron James has lost the 3rd most NBA Finals in NBA history -LeBron James is the king of NBA Finals losses, with 33 of them. Most all time IMO THESE ARE A FEW OF MJ'S GREATEST FEATS NO OTHER PLAYERS CAN TOUCH: YET THERE ARE 40-50 MORE. -Mj is (and no one's come close to this) the only player who has (all in 1 season) won Scoring Title, all NBA and Defensive 1st team, Steals title, Total pts leader, All star Gm MVP, League MVP, Finals MVP, playoff PPG leader, finals PPG leader and Chip! AND MJ DID THAT....TWICE! Lebron never accomplished close to all those feats in even one season, let alone TWICE And secondly, Michael Jordan didn't only win DPOY and scoring title in 1988 (only man to ever do it) but he was also the MVP and the steals champ that year. (Another record and another stat LBJ nor anyone has never approached. -Michael Jordan has the highest game tying/go ahead FG% in the final 24 seconds of a playoff game of any MVP player in the last 20 seasons. MJ (50%). 2nd place is Dirk with (39%). 3rd place is LBJ with (37%), curry and Duncan with 29%, KD and Kobe with 25% etc. There are 4 players who hold records for highest scoring avg against a franchise. Michael Jordan holds the record for highest PPG AVG against 16 DIFFERENT FRANCHISES!!! Wilt Chamberlain is next against 6 teams. Then it's KD against 3 teams, and LeBron against 1 team (the Bulls) DEFENSE, STEALS, BLOCKS N MORE RECORDS. -MJ is 3rd place All-time in total steals with 2514 vs LBJ who is in 14th place with 2063. Almost 500 less steals then MJ, while playing 5 more seasons. - MJ is 2nd place All-time in steals per game avg 2.4 per game. LeBron is in 70th place averaging 1.6 steals per game - MJ as the second most steals titles with 3. LBJ has ZERO steals titles. - MJ has 5 of the TOP 10 highest scoring playoff games in history - MJ has the all-time record for the most blocked shots ever by a guard with 893! - His 131 blocks in a single 82 game season is the most ever recorded by a guard! -MJ was the only player ever with 200 steals and 100 blocks in a season, and he did it twice in 1988 and 1989 (Hakeem and Pippin did it once later on). -Michael Jordan average 84% at the line. Lebron James averages 73.5%. (Under League avg) Michael Jordan is proven to be the greatest scorer of all time, greatest defensive guard of all time. Top 3 greatest perimeter defender of all time. Greatest playoffs / finals performer of all time. Top 3 greatest pickpocket of all time. Greatest blocking guard of all time. Greatest clutch player of all time. GOAT
I feel like one of the strongest arguments for Jordan is that they played in an era that defense was so much tighter and physical. As was mentioned in the video, he played against a HOF caliber players on so many teams of the era. I think it’s a lot easier to compare teams, as Jordan was such a rock in his play. I say this having watched basically NO modern basketball. So take it with a huge grain of salt. I loved the tough defense of the time and watching the Bulls slowly change to overcome their next challenge, and that starts with Jordan’s tenacity and his will to win.
No wonder mj never went to a game 7 in the finals, competition was shit: the 1991 Lakers were not even a little bit close to the 1980s Showtime Lakers. no Kareem arguably a top 5 player of all time, a huge presence in the low post, no Micheal Cooper who is considered by many the greatest defender in nba history, in their place there was Sam Perkins a 7 footer that played more behind the 3 point line than he did in the paint and he was a labeled as a soft defender in his career, he flopped and didnt play much defense. an intimidating front line, they were not. despite all this, Magic would have had a chance to beat the Bulls if James Worthy didnt suffer a high sprain ankle against the Blazers, Worthy no longer had quickness or lateral movement for the remainder of the playoffs, the injury affected him throughout the finals, Byron Scott also went down with an injury late in the finals against the Bulls and couldnt play in game 5, Worthy also missed game 5. so basically it was Bulls vs Magic and Magic put up a good fight than MJ would have put if the roles were reversed. 1992 : Blazers: they had one hall of famer: Clyde Drexler and umm... well yeah thats all they had, not much competition at all. blazers also had no inside presence to speak of, a recurring theme in mjs finals matchups, easy ring for mj. 1993:Pheonix Suns: Barkley is a great hofer but he only had KJ on his team, a decent player but no hofer, again no post defense on the suns. tallest player for them was Tom Chambers 6'10" one of the softest defenders of all time. this isnt even the best team barkley played on, the 1985 and 1986 sixers with Dr J, Malone, Cheeks, and Barkley would have wiped the floor with 1993 Bulls and Suns. 1990s teams sucked, the 1993 Suns may have won 62 games against the expansion league but they would struggle to a .500 record in the 80s. 1996 sonics they had hofer Gary Payton a great defender and good scorer, they also had Shawn Kemp a player that would show up fat and out of shape at summer camps. so the sonics had a good defender and a lazy underachiever. Sonics had no inside defensive presence. MJ is free to cake walk to the basket all series. Sonics won 64 games, but its easy to win that number of games in a chump expansion league, they wouldnt have hit .500 in 1986, can you say "no competition". 1997 Utah Jazz: many jockers point to the finals against the Jazz as evidence the Bulls would have beaten the 1980s teams. well in fact the Jazz did have 2 hall of famers: John Stockton and Karl Malone who are also 2 of the 50 greatest players in nba history. lets compare:we have Malone Stockton of the 1980s vs Malone Stockton of the 1990s, I'll call this one a draw. at the forward position jazz had thurl bailey a 6'11" powerful and quick forward. the 1990s Jazz had Bryon Russell who didnt even average double figures in ppg for his career. Bailey was a better scorer, better low post defender, better rebounder, averages more assists per game than Bryon Russell. Bailey wins hands down. at center the 1980s Jazz had Mark Eaton who is 7'4", the greatest shot blocker in the modern basketball era. Eaton once averaged 5.6 blocks per game in a single season still a record that stands. all time he averages 3.5 blocks per game wich is also a record that still stands today. the 1990s Jazz had Greg Ostertag, or maybe POSTERtag. the 1980s Jazz would have destroyed MJ and his Bulls. why ? because the 1980s Jazz wich mark Eaton in the lineup gave the 1980s Jordan fits. from 1985 to 1993 the Jazz with mark eaton were 9-7 against mjs Bulls. there would be no waltzing into the lane for MJ against Eaton and Bailey like he did to Ostertag and Bryon Russell. the 1987 Jazz took the LA Lakers to 7 games, you think the 1997 Jazz could do that ? the 1980s Jazz would have destroyed the 1990s Jazz. so we see again, a weak inside presence of the Utah Jazz wich gives MJ 2 more easy rings.
If Jordan played today, he’s average 50-60 every season. You’re obviously too young to argue. That’s a lot of words for excuses. I have Lebron at 10 on my alltime list. Good day kiddo!
Why never if you believe him to be the goat over the impact and his legacy over brons there is no argument you are correct if that is what goat means to you but you don't think there could be any arugement said for a guy who is 69 250 and has been destroying the league since he was 18 years old never took time off has had only 2 major injuries went to 8 straight finals that there is zero idea that he might be a better player he is by far the better passer and rebounder he might be as good as a defender but he still has had elite defensive years and can guard the 1-5 can play the 1-5 he has been the best player in the league since at least 2012 if not since 2008 what skill of basketball does mj really do better than bron score blk? Maybe and maybe mj would have been better than him at those spots if he was put on a team where he had to do it all by himself but that wasn't the case bron has played multiple seasons with and without stars yet still lead his team in pts as in regular season and in playoffs has lead in pts ast and rebounds he is a player we will never see again his greatness will be gone soon and he deserves to be talked about as over mj at this point he has earned the right to be in the talks at least of being better 3-1 down against a 73-9 team back in Cleveland where he broke there hearts leaving wining them a chip with his best player being kyrie and them having the best shooter of all time a top 2 point guard of all time and klay is another great shooter of all time with draymond one of the best role players great defender to get that done was insane he is the closest player to touch mj and I think a better all around basketball player and that is what I think goat means
The first time he lost the finals was because he had no supporting cast and lost to the spurs. Lost in 2015 because kyrie and Kevin love were injured but still was the best player of the finals. In 2018 he carried a weak Cavs team to the finals but had no supporting cast. His finals performances are way better than you think. He doesn’t get enough respect.
Scottie Pippen He’s right though. If you lose while choking, playing passively or shooting below your average at times . Not coming through in the clutch when needed then yea those should be noted. LBJ has done this several times. Let this be MJ losing like LBJ did & y’all dudes would be in here shouting that he choked.
How many players can shoot free throws with their eyes closed in a competitive game and score. Michael Jordan brought a different kind of flavour and euphoria never seen. You dare him, and he" takes it personal" I can imagine what he does to lebum when he calls himself the goat before a game . MJ the epitome of the word GOAT ...
Yo that finals clutch scoring stat was insane. LeBron has gone to 10 finals to michaels 6 yet michael has 126 clutch points to lebrons 85 and he never went to 7 games and shoots more efficiently.. LeShannon Sharpe absolutely BLOWN THE F OUT with his "the numbers show lebron is more clutch"
at the end of the day the question is when the game is on the line who do you want to have the ball? James will pass it and jordan will shoot it. if the shot goes in James gets the credit for passing the ball, if the shot misses that player just missed. whereas jordan always takes responsibility.
I can think of quite a few times when Jordan passed the ball in very important clutch situations, and there's nothing wrong with doing that if the play works. It's a team game.
@@thesilversurfer285 Your point is invalid if your premise is not true. I quote you: “James will pass it, and Jordan will shoot it.” That is factually incorrect. LeBron has made more game winners in the playoffs than Jordan, and Jordan has passed the ball to other teammates on three separate occasions in the Finals to win a championship. There’s a fact-check for you. You’re welcome.
@@boblangford5514 problem is without paxson or kerr, he would shoot it. If he missed, there's a game 7. Lebron on the other hand would lose if ray missed.
@@kingdinodragonite3470 The only statement I am objecting to is “LeBron will pass it, and James will shoot it.” Your red herring about who they would potentially pass to and under what circumstances is irrelevant to the idea that LeBron will always pass in the clutch and Jordan will always shoot. That statement is just flat out wrong.
I did not even watch video cause lebron ain't even top five.. so it's a waste of time.. Jordan, russell, magic, kareem, wilt, bird , kobe all better... And I will stop there even tho I have duncanand shaq over him also.. lebron the team stacker can't fuck with the players I named
@Depressed Patriots Fan so u gonna act like russell does not have 11 titles , won as a player coach his last year in the leauge? Put lebron and kobe over Russel?? That's no logical . Then the six time champ kareem?? I don't even have to say nothin about Lue, .. you should already know.. I don't care what magic say.. kobe not better than the GREATEST PG EVER AT 6'9!!! FIVE TITELA WON AS A ROOKIE ... WEN TO WHAY?? NINE FINALS.. AND MAGIC PLAYED ONLY LIKE 13 SEASONS... THEN THERE IS WILT... I NEED NOT EVEN SPEAK ON THIS MAN... EVERY RECORD.. BIRD IS BETTER THAN BRON.. BIRD WON AS A REAL MAN.. NO RUNNING... BIRD WAS CLUTCH.. NO HIDING . 3 REAL TITLES.. NO FAKE TITLES LIKE LEBRON.. BIRD GAVE U A DOUBLE DOUBLE IN HIS SLEEP AND SHOT GREAT FROM THE FIELD.. I CANT PUT KOBE OVER BIRD.. BUT KOBE CAN MAKE THE CASE MORE THAN LEBRON...
@Depressed Patriots Fan ring chasing.. FOH.. u can say what you say and so can I.. but do some research on who this players really are.. u may change your opinion... Russell dominated and won MVP the year wilt averaged 50 and oscar averaged a triple double.. Russel was a pure athlete... I saw dennnis rodman in my day impact the game rebounding and defending.. russell is better than dennis at that but would also get u 24 ppg.. his best year.. so imagine that... And Dennis made the hall putting up no points really.. there is a reason Russel is giving out that finals mvp.. because Russel has some big time finals performances... Russel dominated from start to finish and was the reason for Boston winning.. but I respect your lost more than most the idiots I see on here that got bron over kobe or Jordan.. at leas u got that right
Lebron James in the East, has never defeated a team as strong as the 1992/1993 Knicks. *The 1992/1993 Knicks had 7 guys who were All-stars at one point.* 1992/1993 Knicks: *Patrick Ewing - Top 4 in the MVP vote ( 1993 ), Top 5 in the MVP vote ( 1992 ).* *Mark Jackson - 1x All-star, 1x Assists Leader, ROY.* *John Starks - 1x All-star, 1x All-Defensive Team, 1x Nba Sixth Man.* *Doc Rivers - 1x All-star.* *Charles Oakley - 1x All-star, 2x All-Defensive Team.* *Anthony Mason - 1x All-star, 1x All-Defensive Team, 1x Nba Sixth Man.* *Xavier McDaniel - 1x All-star.* *Charles Smith.*
@@zairea.4605 *All-Nba players.* LBJ"s era ( 2003/2018 ): *East* - 58. *West* - 147 ( LOL ). *Let"s not forget Joakim Noah was the last First team All-Nba player ( 2014 ) besides Lebron James before Giannis ( 2019 ).* Lebron feasted in the weak East. MJ and Kobe didn"t have that luxury. Lebron is the most overrated player in Nba history.
@@user-sd5nm5hz3z yeah, fucking self proclaimed king, everyone knows that. If you are the best, or you are king, people should say that, you don't need to call yourself King or GOAT. People think that he is GOAT, but he don't need to do that, if he is GOAT, people will say that. Anyway, for me he was never King. Player who only play for statistics. Kawhi, Kevin Durant, Kobe, Jordan, maybe even Bird, Irving, Curry, they all can destroy him in 1 on 1 game, Lebron just has power and use his power the best he can, he is like Harden, always shoot under the basket, but Harden had shooted more 3s than him.
Lol first Kobe now Lebron. As great as they both are once Lebron is retired they will find someone else to compare to the GOAT for dramatic media hype. Thank you Michael for all the wonderful years. There will just never be anything like him again.
Minotaur Plays even worst dick head but thanks for the correction ! 👍🏾 appreciate the hate. You’re the best pal ahh could’ve did it without ma’am ! Mj the 🐐🤷🏾♂️😂
Great video, providing facts to get more of the whole picture. A lot of the uncontested rebounds that bron gets are because he won't play defense sometimes and hangs out by the rim to get rebounds. He's the definition of Stat-Padford. Jordan was the superior defender, a true 2-way team player.
Plus if MJ wouldn't have stepped aside from bball after his Father passed away and played baseball there's a strong chance that he'd have 7 or 8 championships.
Stop with the what ifs for MJ, thats pathetic. If Kyrie and Love were healthy in 2015 or if KD never joined the warriors were never an excuse for Lebron so stop making what ifs for the former goat.
He'd have 7 chips most likely. 1994 with Horace they could have beaten Hakeem's Rockets. 1995 without Horace or Rodman, they might have beaten Magic (if MJ wasn't rusty) and maybe have had beaten the Rockets.
Its obvious that Lebron is the better player...and its obvious jordan played for the better franchise as we saw how good the Bulls functioned without jordan winning 55 games and pippen finishing as an mvp candidate. If Lebron woulda got a pippen caliber player, and a hallbof fame caliber coach by year 4 in Cleveland like jordan did there would be no discussion.
@@ddp5406 Lol Lebron had Wade and AD who are both better and more talented players than Pippen and you know it.. I remember Pippen in 1987 he was awful and Jordan pushed Pippen and was a product of Michael Jordan... Wade and AD were already established players.. Pippen led Bulls in 95 the following year when they won 55 games with Jordan’s 3peat team and then some.. Went 31-35 and would have missed the playoffs until a rusty Jordan came back from retirement and went on a 20-14 run and dragged that team to the semi finals..
@Cyber Bully so ur argument is Lebron would not allow himself to be coached by a great coach....on fair enough, Lebron is already the coach...but what about him getting a pippen caliber player by year 4? Lebron in year 3 at 21 years old was battling a championship contending pistons team to 7 games with a lottery team...jordan at year 3 was being swept in the 1st round and then he got pippen who was a top 5 draft pick. U and the jordan stans are the biased ones
@@MINK2393 pippen was a top 5 draft pick and was a rookie in 87 lol...when jordan left he was an mvp candidate. Wade is better than pippen but the league is also better too...when he had wade and bosh the celtics had kg, pierce, rondo and allen. The Lakers had Kobe, Bynum, Odom, and Gasol. The spurs had parker, Duncan, and Ginobili and then kawhi.....yet Lebron was so good everyone just expected him to stay on a lottery team and beat these teams year after year....Lebron had Ad this year, yet vegas odds had them finishing the season 4th in the west with EVERYBODY and their baby momma's had the clippers or Bucks winning the title......Lebron made it look easy finishing the regular season atop the western conference, and 2nd in the mvp race (Lebron could never win in the west is what people said) and sliced through the playoffs winning for his 3rd team and coach while capturing his 4th fmvp.
@@MINK2393 and that Bulls team was above .500 and were still in the playoff race the 2nd year w/o jordan...they had also lost Horace Grant who was an all star for them in that 55 win season...it was a miracle pippen was still holding their head above water and was on a 3 game win streak before jordan made his return....it still wasn't enough as they would lose to baby shaq and the magic...they ran it back with Rodman and that is when they won the 2nd 3peat....don't try me, i lived through that era too
MJ 10 years is 1987-1998. You’re counting a 17 games, left baseball lockout season as MJ 10 year peak. MJ played full years, rookie year 85, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 96, 97, 98.
What you said is correct but you can't skip years "played" regarding peak. It's defined by range. It would be unfair to Lebron also because he never stopped playing. So think of MJ playing baseball as an injured year in the sense he played 18 games. Again, based on full seasons, you are 100% correct.
@@eggiej25 if you start LBJ in 2008, MJ is still the better player. Only MJ rookie year is outside his peak and that year is .515% FG took Lebron until 2012 to match his 9th year and nba rule changes and going to Miami. Rookie MJ 28.2 points, 6.5 rebs, 5.9 assists, 2.4 steals, .8 blocks lead entire nba in total points, had more total steals that year than Bron ever had.
@@eggiej25 start 2009 his 1st mvp, MJ still better. MJ undefeated with home court advantage, has a ring for every 57 games won season. 09, 2010, 2011, Lebron lost series with home court all 3 years, and had 58 wins, nba best record 66 and 61 while mvp both years. MJ is mvp/FMVP 4X same year while scoring champ and 1st team defense. 1987-1998, miss that 17 games 1995, is untouchable.
@@kristion9774 Of course Jordan is the Goat. I always tell people that. Lebron is great. Just from watching you can see MJ is more fundamentally sound. Lebron has more weaknesses in his game.
Where did you get some of those statistics on late-game clutch shots and the per-game analytics? Excellent Video and presentation on this debate which turns out is absolutely no debate at all.
@@legoatjagoat4691 tbf I can't really fault him for passing it to him that was probably the only thing he could do but idk abt Danny Green being a "3 point specialist"
@@legoatjagoat4691 Dude a three-point specialist will score at best 40% 3P but at the end of the game, the rate of making it will decrease drastically. Dont forget, Miami was leading with only one point. Lebron would have gone for a two-point which the chance to make the shot is better. My problem is not about passing the ball but going for a 2 point shot. I will also blame Danny Green cos he had time to pump & fake and drive in for a mid-range shot which is better than 3 point shot in that situation.
Additional categories you should have included: - Flops per season - Crying and tantrums against referees - Total plays given up on - Number of teammates traded - Number of all-star teammates
At 19:05, you should say MJ objectively triumphs in 5 out of 7 categories, and subjectively in the Eye Test. Great video! It's unfair due to timing, but you could also add that MJ revolutionized the game, especially for non-fans of Basketball.
8:53 that was a stupid statement. He’s lost more finals than he’s won! That by definition is a LOSER. Lebron is the GOLAT. Not only that but half of his wins were flukes proven by the following season where he’d get demolished in the finals. He flops to much and complains when he loses. He’s a top 7 player at best.
MJ 6'6" , 6 rings , 6 categories wins compare to LBJ , 6 games played in every finals , etc. The number 23 was used out of respect and exposure but not for competing reasons. He is always looking for people to fabricate his excellence . President Obama congrats him on his 4th championship while a few years back MJ was receiving his goat medal surrounded by goat people in all facet of life. He is a great player and human being but in my top 10. Only one team created the LBJ rule in 17 years in the league "let him shoot or send him to the free throw line." He is been openly grateful to the Spurs by working on his shot skill but the improvements were not noticeable. In my opinion , LBJ is allergic to the number 6 in term of winning but not losing. MJ the goat.
I never considered LBJ close to Jordan.. but when I saw a vid pointing out how much LBJ focuses on his stats over all else..so much of what he does, what he says, became so clear.. his #1 concern is getting his stat numbers, he wont even consider any system to help his team if it effects his stats.. stats chasing is Lebrons #1 concern, Jordan chased Rings, Wins, and a mental edge..not stats what kids don't always realize is that to get his #s LBJ neglects other vital aspects to compile the easy or unnecessary assists/rebounds/ect..
Jordan took 2 years off in his prime and still went 6 and 0 in finals 2 3 peats lel
1-9 in first round
I Am King you were doing great till you said ray allen and kyrie saved his legacy. Gtfo wit that bs lol
I Am King and his 2020 was not an asterisk at all 🤦♂️. I got Jordan over LeBron but you’re jus disrespecting LeBron and his greatness
I Am King now tell me would that ray Allen shot happen if LeBron didn’t score 16 in the 4th to bring them back into the game? No. And forgettin his famous block in game 7 against the iggy that also sealed the game. Stop it, you’re not sayin any type of truth. You just a old head who hates LeBron for no reason LMAO. Respect both Jordan and LeBron for what they did
I Am King yea bro you’re just talkin out ya ass. I ain’t readin all that. Only LeBron haters talk and whine this much LMAO. Jordan is still over LeBron but I will not discredit anything LeBron has done.
This debate ended in 2011, when LeBron lost with prime D-Wade and Bosh against Dallas in 6 games.
Still living in 2011 ? this was 10 years ago, lebron saved his legacy look at his resume, nobody can easily bounce back from such a horrible perfomance in the finals, heat won 2 chips, cavs 1, lakers1, bron got 4 fmvps, 2 reg season mvps after 2011, one series in the finals will not define a players legacy
@@dynamic6645 jordStans will tho
@Devo just because you say lebron isnt top 5 doesnt make it a fact, just because you say "just because you say lebron is the goat doesnt mean it is a fact" doesnt mean mj is better than lebron
@Devo yeah when jordan has better stats it counts and doesnt need context, but when an other player has more or better stats it doesnt count and it needs more context 😵😵😵
Lebron is 10th on my list.
Duncan is higher.
Have a good day !
When you look at it objectively it’s MJ and it’s not even close.
Dude that’s kinda crazy to say. Lebron was putting up 40 point triple doubles when he was 19. Mans has arguably been the most talented and complete player in the league every season of his career. Jordan is the best winner but if you look at it from an individual standpoint, Lebron is the better player in late series playoff games(4-7). He’s actually he greatest late playoff player in history. He’s also been to 10 finals on 3 different teams and won with every single one of them(1 of 2 players in nba history to do that). Not to mention he is far ahead of Jordan in every statistical category. I respect people who think Jordan is the goat but don’t say ignorent shit like that “it’s not even close” headass
@@cameronreed5025 I don’t even need to respond to this as what you said “Lebron is the better player in late series playoff games” invalidates your entire argument.
@@cameronreed5025 bc the truth is that people who have brain know it’s Jordan. No debate. You can throw whatever BS you won’t but nothing will change Lebron’s shortcoming, deficiencies, failures, etc
@@jakemackay1747 no it doesn’t. Look it up bud in the late series games he’s the most efficient player. You invalid lol
@@kyongju8328 what are his short comings. If it’s the Dallas finals then sure I’ll give it to you but other than that his reassume speaks for itself. He’s literally has more of everything in every category, and sure he’s already had a longer career but that shouldn’t downplay his accomplishments because he was dominate throughout his career and has had a prime of 15 years. Sure Jordan did a lot is less time but it’s not Lebrons fault he was a better player earlier in his career and hasn’t gotten worse(if anything gotten better). People like you are what makes this debate so stupid because you belittle everyone that doesn’t share you’re opinions. Yes I think Lebron is the goat but I think Jordan is a close ass second. You probably the type to say Lebron isn’t even top 5 which just shows how bias you are.
Lebron demanded respect
Jordan didnt
Lebron proclaims he is the Goat
Jordan didnt
Lebron demanded fans approval
Jordan didnt
LeBron tattoos “the chosen one” on his back, Jordan was born the chosen one!
Yep, in my opinion , that is not the behavior of a professional ... and i am a big time King James follower/fan🏀 ... but since the bubble, i am on semi-pause, NOW just PAUSE 😔😔😔😔
I’m pretty sure if Jordan played in this socal media era Jordan would most likely talk shit to alot of trolls and would also demand respect
@@christianr1941 BS he didnt have too cause of his personality what a load of BS jordan was no 1 athlete in the world all of sports he was great problem with le bron he has to many weak points to his game thats y its not even a conversation.
Now with all that said. Can u imagine if Jordan didn't retire for almost 2yrs when he played in Chicago? Shit he didn't have to retire after the second 3 peat. Instead of two 3peats it's a very likely possibility he wins 8 str8 rings. If not the rings it would still be the stats. I lost a lot of money because of Jordan, and I hated him during his playing days. I was the only dumbass walking around Chicago betting against him trying to win big on the odds that could have changed my life. We all know how it turned out.😭🤦🏿♂️
some NBA super stars said, if MJ play this era this soft rules, he will average 45, 50pts per game. Mj is d most efficient mid- range shooter of all time. Mj the GOAT
Lmao no.
He'll average like 35 but not 50
if harden average 35 jordan would average 45...no flop
@@adamkhalidabbasi320 MJ averaged 37 in a slow-paced and better defensive era. He will at least average 40 today in the faster and more stretched out era.
@@abelthegoat2471 im talking about carrer 35
6’9” LeBron James has dominated the league in the era of “small ball”, no hand checking, and soft, offense friendly basketball rules.
6’6” Michael Jordan dominated the league in the era of the big center, hand checking, and defense friendly basketball. One team even created a game plan and rules specifically to stop him.
Michael Jordan’s name is used in reference to someone being the best at what they do as in, “he’s the Micheal Jordan of” fill in the blank. I’ve never heard anyone use LeBrons name like that.
Michael Jordan is known to be clutch, always want the ball in the last seconds, and be so competitive that he will use anything, even a made up slight as motivation to beat you. LeBron in the biggest of moments has been known to shrink, hide, and just plain give up (2011 NBA Championships). He was also accused by his own coach of quitting. Michael Jordan has never quit on his team.
So in closing, all you Bronsexuals, keep on spouting your stats that have accumulated over 17 seasons because that’s all you’ve got! Michael Jordan was, is, and will always the platinum standard of what the goat is supposed to represent. In other words....he da 🐐!!!!! Baaaaa!!!
Bro you didn’t even watch Jordan stfu you lebron hater
Back when the pistons were considered "bad boys" and people Jordan said always gave him a rough ass time
I’ve been watching basketball since Dr. J and Moses Malone won the title in ‘83. The game was better in the 80’s and 90’s. I feel sorry for all you guys who have to watch this crap they call basketball now. But apparently it’s not too many people since only about 5 million and change watched the”Frozen One” win his asterisk. Over 30 million people including me watched Jordan win in 98’
@@bretviola6871 aye today basketball ain't crap now chill with that
@@XxPlatinumChief I’m sorry if you didn’t get to watch greats like Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Hakeem Olajuwon play. I’m especially sorry if you never got to feel the excitement of watching Michael Jordan. The guy was just on another level from everyone else. I remember how on game day, the buzz in the air before the games. There’s a reason why he’s held so highly. I’m sorry but when they removed the defense from the game, it’s just not basketball anymore.
Mj all the way
Another hater who doesn’t know a thing about basketball.
@@mariocajas1130 you need LASIK eye surgery. MJ is finesse and art in motion. Lebron is a flopping clunky robot that can't perform without A/C lol
Mario Cajas 😂😂😂😂😂 mj
@@mariocajas1130 how's he a hater dats his opinion
@@mariocajas1130 another solid bronsexual.
you forgot one important criteria - mentality, something of MJ that no one can ever touch
Pretty much the clutch gene. He actually did go over the clutch situations.
Mj use to make up beef in his head about other players to get him mad.
Songyang He Kobe?
@@jaydenlee6573 came close but never touched it
TWNS 10 what do you mean? Mike even said “he’s as cursed as much as I am”. Plus Kobe worked harder then anybody to be where he was.
MJ is the GOAT and Lebron is the GOTE. That's the difference.
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Lebron James is...
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How does that makes sense
THIS.
@@jaydenlee6573 It makes perfect sense... What, are you dense? Lol 😆
@@Goodpatron Jordan is the goat of his era, and lebron is the goat in his era. Doesn’t make sense making one the greatest of all time if they both played in different eras
MJ is not only better than lebron but he also had a better swag
MJ all the way
Completely
False, your guy is just arrogant
MJ is better period. don't talk about things you don't know
Shut up
MJ took a whole year off for retirement, came back, and 3 peated. If y'all don't think that man is the GOAT I don't know what to tell ya.
The Bulls got those championships, not MJ as an individual. Just something to keep in mind.
@@lightbeforethetunnel Did the bulls win a championship when MJ went into retirement? There's a reason people call him the GOAT. Keep that in mind
@@rogerchandelier6673 You're right they didn't win a championship when Jordan retired but they had a really good 50+ win season in which Pippen showed he was the best player in the league. All that right after losing one of the best players of all time shows how stacked the team was. Normally when a team loses a player that good, they're totally destroyed, like when LeBron left the Cavs. So it shows how much support MJ had. They were still one of the top teams in the league even without him.
I'm not trying to knock MJ at all. Him and LeBron are the top two all time imo. I just think it's much closer of a debate about who is the best. They're both as good as it gets, just in slightly different ways.
@@lightbeforethetunnel didn't you watch the video? How dare you question MJ greatness. You are an example of blind witness.
@@lightbeforethetunnel so jr smith not a better shooter den ker and all da role players onnat bulls team dat won chips??🤔 lebron had stacked teams and still loss jr smith top 15 3 point shooter of all time dat tell you sum yall bron fans think bron dont be havin teams too
Some stuff to think about...
1. 2 months into his rookie season, Jordan was declared the best on his team. By the end of that season, he was declared the best in the league (I'll take Magic and Bird's words before some talking heads).
2. Jordan was recognized as not only the best in the league, but the GOAT...before he even won his first championship (by players AND reporters).
3. Jordan never called himself the GOAT in any interview...everyone else did.
4. Jordan played in college, so we'll never know what his stats would be if he went straight into the NBA.
5. Charles Barkley and Karl Malone both won MVPs, simply because the league was tired of giving it to Jordan, even though he was clearly the best in the league.
6. His prime years don't even include his best year, when he won a scoring title, MVP and DPOY.
I'm 41. I've seen both careers in full. Objectively speaking...Jordan was just better.
*correction suggestion* on point 2, he was declared goat by coaches too… and point 5. I think Drexler was given MVP too right?
...by a mile
I respect that , you have a level head ,you are not hating on bron but that being said , LeBron is a better player , there's nothing Mike did better than bron , only free throws are his only weakness , other than that in the playoffs , he has same game winners as Mike and kobe combined , he has carried weaker teams to the finals and lost to all time Dynasty teams like spurs and warriors which nobody could beat , but to each his own , respect
@@AmanSingh-bt1rx He had weaker teams? Who is known for trying to build super teams? He lost to Nowitzki for example. MJ stayed with the bulls where Pippen was the only other All Star.
@@AmanSingh-bt1rx these arguments are full of disrespecting points you know?
What an intro to this video
@Forty1Second Brady vs Rodgers 2018 Matchup!!!!
MJ had Killer instinct, never quits, never cries, didn't played in stacked teams, was not an actor on the court, never played a game 7 in the finals and still undefeated in the finals, and was a better clutch player when it counts. Regular season stats mean 💩 in the eyes of MJ. It's all about the rings and championships. MJ will forever be the 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐. LJ definitely deserves a spot in top 3 along with the Mamba.
I see, individuals win championships I agree with you, so robert horry and john havlicek are better than mj because they were able to win more championships ALONE
No wonder he never went to an nba finals game 7, competition was shit: the 1991 Lakers were not even a little bit close to the 1980s Showtime Lakers. no Kareem arguably a top 5 player of all time, a huge presence in the low post, no Micheal Cooper who is considered by many the greatest defender in nba history, in their place there was Sam Perkins a 7 footer that played more behind the 3 point line than he did in the paint and he was a labeled as a soft defender in his career, he flopped and didnt play much defense. an intimidating front line, they were not. despite all this, Magic would have had a chance to beat the Bulls if James Worthy didnt suffer a high sprain ankle against the Blazers, Worthy no longer had quickness or lateral movement for the remainder of the playoffs, the injury affected him throughout the finals, Byron Scott also went down with an injury late in the
finals against the Bulls and couldnt play in game 5, Worthy also missed game 5. so basically it was Bulls vs Magic and Magic put up a good fight than MJ would have put if the roles were reversed.
1992 : Blazers: they had one hall of famer: Clyde Drexler and umm... well yeah thats all they had, not much competition at all. blazers also had no inside presence to speak of, a recurring theme in mjs finals matchups, easy ring for mj.
1993:Pheonix Suns: Barkley is a great hofer but he only had KJ on his team, a decent player but no hofer, again no post defense on the suns. tallest player for them was Tom Chambers 6'10" one of the softest defenders of all time. this isnt even the best team barkley played on, the 1985 and 1986 sixers with Dr J, Malone, Cheeks, and Barkley would have wiped the floor with 1993 Bulls and Suns. 1990s teams sucked, the 1993 Suns may have won 62 games against the expansion league but they would struggle to a .500 record in the 80s.1996 sonics they had hofer Gary Payton a great defender and good scorer, they also had Shawn Kemp a player that would show up fat and out of shape at summer camps. so the sonics had a good defender and a lazy underachiever. Sonics had no inside defensive presence. MJ is free to cake walk to the basket all series. Sonics won 64 games, but its easy to win that number of games in a chump expansion league, they wouldnt have hit .500 in 1986, can you say "no competition".
1997 Utah Jazz: many jockers point to the finals against the Jazz as evidence the Bulls would have beaten the 1980s teams. well in fact the Jazz did have 2 hall of famers: John Stockton and Karl Malone who are also 2 of the 50 greatest players in nba history. lets compare:we have Malone Stockton of the 1980s vs Malone Stockton of the 1990s, I'll call this one a draw. at the forward position jazz had thurl bailey a 6'11" powerful and quick forward. the 1990s Jazz had Bryon Russell who didnt even average double figures in ppg for his career. Bailey was a better scorer, better low post defender, better rebounder, averages more assists per game than Bryon Russell. Bailey wins hands down. at center the 1980s Jazz had Mark Eaton who is 7'4", the greatest shot blocker in the modern basketball era. Eaton once averaged 5.6 blocks per game in a single season still a record that stands. all time he averages 3.5 blocks per game wich is also a record that still stands today. the 1990s Jazz had Greg Ostertag, or maybe POSTERtag. the 1980s Jazz would have destroyed MJ and his Bulls. why ? because the 1980s Jazz wich mark Eaton in the lineup gave the 1980s Jordan fits. from 1985 to 1993 the Jazz with mark eaton were 9-7 against mjs Bulls. there would be no waltzing into the lane for MJ against Eaton and Bailey like he did to Ostertag and Bryon Russell. the 1987 Jazz took the LA Lakers to 7 games, you think the 1997 Jazz could do that ? the 1980s Jazz would have destroyed the 1990s Jazz. so we see again, a weak inside presence of the Utah Jazz wich gives MJ 2 more easy rings.
@@dynamic6645 Jordan had a bad team too
He only got Pippen and Rodman who is not scorer
Both defensive minded
@@dynamic6645 you’re making a lot of excuses and are using semantics to dismiss Jordan’s accomplishments, we can just cancel that out with one question that jordan would NEVER allow: “Can Lebron stop Jason Terry?”
@@brentsoriano9917 You mean the same dennis rodman that was shutting down shaq and karl malone ? the same dennis rodman ?
Comparing anybody to Jordan as the GOAT is just a lazy talk... Mike did it all. The difference is so clear between him and other basketball players. He is the GOAT by wide margin.
He's top 2
@@roarnightingale2238 GTFOH
@@juandoe7802 good one
No
Players today who spent much time on bench are the one who claim james has the edge.
Dont know why ppl still having this convo. Jordan is on whole different level than lebron. Jordan is the goat. Only player who u can make an argument bout beinh better than jordam is wilt chamberlin.
Stop plz
You don’t WATCH BASKETBALL IF YOU JUST COMMENTED THIS HORSE SHIT
Only in the statistical category. Not in championships.
Wilt, Kareem have the stats to be the goat but I still go with Mj
@@Thorcat001 Exactly. Longevity stats do not equate to GOAT. That's why LeFlop will never be greater than Jordan 😏
Nobody is called “the lebron james” of something else
Where's the relevance 🧐?
@@MILFDESTRYR
He’s basically saying in any sport or whatever profession nobody says “you’re the LeBron James of so and so...”. It’s always “you’re the Michael Jordan of so and so”. Meaning they’re the best ever at what they do.
What you mean where’s the relevance? The whole video is about MJ vs LBJ...
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx Don't worry in 25 years it'll be different
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx lebrons not even close to done playing
@@Jacob-pz4ku Jordan was in his first 3peat when they called Babe Ruth the Michael Jordan of baseball and was some people was calling him the greatest right after the first 3peat when he was in his prime... Just saying
My goodness if I were a bronsexual I wouldn't be able to stomach this video lmaooo total argumentative slaughter
yeah and your a mjsexual
@Grind Guy yes honestly dude this video only shows good things for mj
@@ryderjones8809 6 finals losses, swept in two finals, multiple series shooting under 40%.
No one has surpassed Michael Jordan, and I dont think anyone will for a long time.
@@ryderjones8809 How? what other stats are there? He went in depth about their points, and all others stats very unbaisly and showed advanced examples.
@@ry_an. mj shot like 13 percent from 3 one year of his careeer and in there career combined lebrons percentage was way higher
Jordan is the GOAT For me, Listen I Love LeBron James in his Prime he was Great. But Jordan in his Prime was just out of this World Especially in the 1st Three Peat.
I look at the impact Jordan had on the league. Never seen it before and haven’t seen it yet. MJ will always be the GOAT
Jordan simply has the GOAT career.
Arguable because everything in a career needs to be kept in context. I think LeBron is the GOAT now
@@justsayin669 JORDAN has more titles and Individual awards. JORDAN did more with fewer seasons.
2020 Playoffs:
*Anthony Davis=28-ppg FG-57% and 10-RPG.*
35-years-old Michael Jordan didn"t have that luxury. He won his last 3 titles with Scotte Pippen averaged 17-ppg, on 39% shooting in the Nba Finals Combined ( 1996/1998 ).
@@allanhouston6759 THat's because today games is more competitive kiddo. All you had to do is wait for the guy in the paint back then to play defense. That wouldn't work now. Also, this guy makes distance from the paint a negative, lebron doesn't need to play like Jordan.
So he only played for 6 years? Wow I didn’t know that thanks for letting me know!
@@allanhouston6759 ok now tell me who he played against. You have newbies like Mitchell and Murray getting 50. This league is far better than it ever was
This narrative of giving lebron a excuse for playing the Warriors is old. Lebron built 2 superteams. Also the Mavs proved a 1 allstar team and beat a 3 allstar team. That Miami team had 3 numbers 1s on it. All in their prime. And lebron was the best player in the league at the time. And this nonsense talking point. That, that Mavs team beat the Lakers doesn't work. Lebron was suppose to be better than Kobe. And there were 2 numbers 1s with lebron. Lebron earned them Ls.
MALLYGEEZ21 Facts! What's crazy is that Warriors team was just a bunch of Draft Picks that built their skills ...KD just happened to join him ..same ish Lebron did ..same ish KG and Ray Allen did
@@superbcannon7386
Exactly, that 16 Warriors team wasn't a superteam. Lebron gets way way to many excuses for getting his doors blown off in the finals. If Dirk could do it. So could lebron. Lebron is suppose to be greater than Dirk.
@@MALLYGEEZ1 huh a team with 3 all-stars isn't a superteam?????? You telling me if Jordan with his skillset played the golden state warriors 4 time he wins one championship at most and looking at his team and what the eye and paper say he win none because jordan could never elevate a team like bron does
@@youngzoe7492
Lebron elevates his team? How? He elevated them to 6 finals loses. He elevated them to not making the playoffs last year. After he activated his playoff intensity in order to get them to the playoffs. But Jordan won 6 chips. Never lose. And two 3peats. But that's not elevating his teammates? Really?
@@youngzoe7492
Lebron had the best team in the league in 11. Did he elevate them to beat a 1 allstar team then? No, Dirk elevated his team to beat the superteam Heat. With 3 number 1s on it. And the best player in the league at the time. ( lebron ). Lebron doesn't elevate anyone. He runs and forms superteams.
And no, that GS in 15-16 were not a superteam. That drafted those guys. And they simply got better. Where as lebron ran from team to team. From 2 numbers 1s to 2 more numbers 1s. And still could barely get it done.
Only LeBron fans argue this point. The debate has been over for everyone else. MJ 🐐
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It's been over since he lost to the mavs in my opinion.
People always bring up Scottie as the reason Jordan has rings.
But scottie could not score over 30pts. Wade could drop 40 pts at times. Wade also was one of the best sg wing defenders in nba history. Plus Chris Bosh was good too.
Lebron played with more talent then Jordan and was not as successful.
MikeBNumba6 You get no argument from me. Not to mention Bron is the only player in 2 decades to be swept twice in the finals.
Dumb i am so sure there will be greater than lbj and mj at least 30 years frm now lebron is better than mj as well dumbass
That's 🧢 do you even know why he is considered a goat to some people, that is because young people grew up watching LeBron and young adults watched Jordan growing same as the other older fans watched Kareem dominate😭
Jordan is the GOAT. His stats were enough to win him two three-peats, and never fell short in the finals.
Michael Jordan, the amount of success he’s done in 14 seasons is insane!
Really 11 healthy seasons, dude was on a different level than everyone else. The only player to have 6 titles since the playoff format changed to 4 rounds in 83-84. Only one to 3peat twice since that time as well.
@Haunted X Hahaha. Just like LeBron going to the miami. Chocking when they face the mavs. Get outscored by a 37 year old. Lost 6 finals, w finals swept, the one who invented the flopping game, always complains for each calls.
@Haunted X but Lebron didn’t even make the playoffs his first two seasons...just saying
@Haunted X Ikr, LeBron's the da goat, Only player in NBA history to get clamped by JJ barea in 2011 and get outscored by a 33 year old bench player in Jason Terry. APPRECIATE GREATNESS
@Haunted X bruh what happend to lebron? He joined a 2 superstar and lose? Hahaha
Lebron is a great player no doubt but those finals losses, flops, chokes, meltdowns, no defense games, etc is forever etched in his record. They are indelible so he can never and never will be the GOAT imo.
Rexy Flexx he might be the goat if he gets 6 rings and continues to play at the same rate for 5 more years
stop using the same followers quotes
@@moelawadi9911 that wont matter to yall dummies
cmoneytheman bro who tf uses the word "dummies" in 2020?? Grow up my g
@@moelawadi9911 bro who tf uses the word dummies grow up my g
I’ll give Lebron his respect. I think it’s an argument for he and Kareem. But MJ is the goat
I've been lucky enough to watch both players career's, Jordan is probably the greatest sportsman of any sport EVER!!
Well, then you weren't watching...
LeBron played against:
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Steve Nash
Kevin Durant
Jason Kidd
Kyle Korver
Andre Iguodala
Paul Pierce
Dirk Nowitzki
Luka Doncic
Joel Embiid
Blake Griffin
Kyrie Irving
Shaquille O'Neal
Paul George
Ja Morant
Russell Westbrook
Chris Paul
Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
Damian Lillard
Pau Gasol
Khris Middleton
Klay Thompson
Jimmy Butler
Serge Ibaka
Al Horford
Allen Iverson
Ray Allen
James Harden
Manu Ginobili
Kawhi Leonard
JJ Redick
Rajon Rondo
Derrick Rose
Stephen Curry
Tony Parker
Kevin Garnett
Nikola Jokic
Carmelo Anthony
Let's see Jordan with or without Scottie Pippen and Phil Jackson against all of that.
In todays era where guys can rain 3's like it's nada.
Jordan was 0-6 without Scottie
LBJ IS KING
@@SCORP1ONF1RE mj is the goat all day all night and your lbj is the king....king of drama.....
Lol of course lebron has longevity but in per game base jordan is the highest PER Box plus minus win shares and value over raplacement in both regular season and the playoffs. Stop it Mike will always be the Greatest in my eyes and im 20 years old im not even saw michael jordan played.
Yea and Jordan has played in all 82 games of the season 9 times to lebron 0..also Jordan went to college for four years where lebron didn't..
"I never even watched him, but I know he's better." And you think you're making a good argument.
I agree with you on Jordan being the goat but you saying you've never seen him play kinda just proves your bias towards Jordan. That's like saying one dish is better than the other but you've only eaten one of the dishes...
@@nightryder16 He's basically saying that he never watched Jordan play but the advanced stats says Jordan was a better player.
Bs Jordan without pip war was trash. He left a 57 win team and they won 56 and Pippen was number 2 in mvp voting. So when you stacked you could look very dominant look at Durant prior to warriors exposed multiple times against the griz against gsw shit against sa. And that’s with a superstar Russ. So give lebron a great 2 not no Kyrie who can’t guard no one. Or a washed dwade. Give him a ad type and they win automatically. War shouldn’t b close these stats are swayed to your point my friend good try
You're right. Championships don't mean everything....but when you are finals mvp and clearly the best player in every finals you've played in.....kinda does make it matter more than you think
Lol he has no rebuttal!🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤣🤣🤣MJ =🐐
@Real Talkmy post is defending and stating mj is the goat...since lebron fans always say rings don't mean everything..I was countering that point...
Everyone gets a trophy according to that logic.😂
MVP's many times are marketing.
Championships don't mean everything, but they are the most important than every other things. Statistics don't mean everything more than titles, MVPs also aren't everything. Michael Jordan is the GOAT because he has everything, titles, MVPs, finals MVPs, many, many records, statistics, that's why he is the GOAT, Lebron has maybe better statistics, some better records, but he isn't with titles so gpof like Jordan and also Jordan was in first defense team 9 times, Lebron was 5 times, Jordan lead the laegue in scoring 10 TIMES, 10, Lebron was scoring leader only one. Jordan is clearly better player with better career. Anyway, my
my favourite player of all time is Kobe Bryant.
James shouldn’t even be compared to MJ that’s too embarrassing!
Also Lebron has never won or even entered a dunk contest...Greatness in sports is partly about giving the fans what they want! Jordan gave it ALL for the fans and their total entertainment...Also Jordan just has that something (whether charisma, charm...That Lebron just doesn't have)...The smile, the tongue, the flamboyance, the graceful moves consistently, the toughness, the assassins spirit, the GOAT!
@@StennMathis deluded fanboy😭🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
@@StennMathis facts
@@jamalwilliams3092 MJ is WAY better
@@StennMathis just another bronsexual
The real GOAT is the one who dont call themselves THE GOAT. Three Championship in a row then two years layoffs and then come back to win three in a row and all on the same team.
Oooh good one. But how about 11 championships in 13 years?
@@roarnightingale2238 we are talking about between LeDiva James and Michael Jordan. But yea of course Bill Russell is the top GOAT even MJ said it.
@@Rinzler03ny michael jordumb?
@@roarnightingale2238 huh?
@@Rinzler03ny mb mb
Eye test : MJ>>>
blind
MJ had a carry job in his second 3-Peat, Scotte Pippen was less efective and he was injured and lot too, and RODMAN also was super old by then and had become a shadow of himself.
1997 Playoffs:
RODMAN = 4-ppg FG-37% and 8-RPG.
Pippen = 19-ppg FG-41% and 7-RPG.
1998 Playoffs:
RODMAN = 5-ppg FG-37% and 12-RPG.
Pippen = 17-ppg FG-41% and 7-RPG.
2020 Playoffs:
Anthony Davis =28-ppg FG-56% and 10-RPG.
MJ didn"t have that luxury.
@@allanhouston6759 who the fuck did they play? We’re they ever the underdog?
@@Matt-cl7ee
1998 WCF: Jazz vs Lakers ( 4-0 ).
Lakers:
Shaquille O"Neal - All-star 1998 and Top 4 in the MVP vote.
Eddie Jones - All-star 1998,
Nick Van-Exel - All-star 1998,
Kobe Bryant - All-star 1998.
Karl Malone beat 4 All-stars.
1998 WCSF: Jazz vs Spurs:
Spurs:
Tim Duncan - All-star 1998 and Top 5 in the MVP vote
David Robinson - All-star 1998.
Karl Maloine beat 2 HoF.
MJ played against great teams. The Bulls were the favorites because they had JORDAN GOAT.
2011 Nba Finals.
The Miami Heat were the favorites.
6"2 Jason Terry ( age 33 ) outscored Prime Lebron James.
@@allanhouston6759 couldn’t have said it any better myself.
There needs to be stats on how inflated it’s been since 1990. All the new rules definitely inflated stats for this era.
*5"8 Isiah Thomas in the 2016/17 season: 29-ppg and Top 5 in the MVP vote.*
MJ will be dominate in this era.
The "Eye Test" ALWAYS proves Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time. #Facts
You know you’re great when you do something spectacular and they call you ‘The Michael Jordan of...’
Imagine if someone said you were ‘The LBJ of...’ you would take offence to that because people would either think you constantly lose or something
MJ will forever be the 🐐
Bron played the warriors
s t a n l e y ok and ?
s t a n l e y
So did Hardnen/Lou Will/AD/Kawhi etc
@@user-rv8xz1sw7l yeah and only beat them 1 out of 3 times with the help of fluke injuries. When LeBron played the incredible warriors 2018(when chemistry was good and no injuries) and got swept that was embarrassing. I don’t think even mj would have been able to beat that team, but he definitely would have willed his team to at least 1 win.
@@kjwdog7453 Butt Jordan played some Tough teams in the 90's Finals games i Think he Would have
Michael Jordan is the GOAT.
One of the record people don't know is that Jordan never lost 3 games in a row since Dec 1990 through June 1998. That is incredible.
Wow I didn't know that!
yeah because he had help mj was sweeeped every time he didnt have scottie pippen
@@ryderjones8809 Here's some facts with context - MJ's 1st 3 yrs before Pippen, he made the playoffs each year while Lebron didn't make the playoffs until his 3rd yr when he beat a 42 win Wizards team & then lost to the 64 win Pistons. MJ did what he could:
- Rookie yr: Lost (not swept) to a 59 win Bucks team with a Hall of Fame coach and player, but still averaged 29.3 pts, 5.8 reb, 8.5 ass, 2.8 stl, 1.0 blk.
- 2nd yr: Swept by the 86 Celtics (67 wins; 1 of the best teams of all-time) after missing 64 games with a broken foot, but still averaged 43.7, 6.3, 5.7, 2.3, 1.3.
- 3rd yr: Swept by Celtics (59 wins; went to the finals) but still averaged 35.7, 7.0, 6.0, 2.0, 2.3.
MJ played with Pippen, ranked #124 in all-time PER, for 9 yrs + 17 games when he came out of retirement, but nobody else ranked higher than #192 (Kukoc for 3 yrs). However, Lebron's played 9 years (going on 10 soon) with either Wade (#21 all-time PER) & Bosh (#62), or Kyrie (#33) & Love (#45), or Davis (#3), or pre-superteams with Z (#134) for 7 yrs.
@@ryderjones8809 What did Lebron last year without AD ? ?
Oh yeah, missed the Playoffs.
@@allanhouston6759 bruh he was injured
Mj=GOAT Greatest Of All Time
Lebron=Go On Another Team
Like me if I'm wrong
Nah u got a point
MJ23 is the definition of perfection 6 out of 6 in the finals. Lebron is 4 out of 10 that's less than 50% of winning.
Jordan. No doubt.
Neither are the goat Wilt or Kareem for life
@@ehi_ij IKR 🤣 also I just checked your channel I thought it was pretty funny you just earned a sub 👍
@@ehi_ij I'm hard pressed for you to even mention Wilt and Kareem in the same sentence. Kareem wins that one by a landslide lol
@@ehi_ij I looked at your channel your about 15 you never even watched prime Kobe or young lebron
@@usctrojanfreak Lol hell no not by a landslide
Jordan hands down.
Nope
@@Travel_Ventures_ Agreed, mj is not the goat
Imagine if Jordan can do that extra steps now in his era?? Damn
LeBron is great Michael is the greatest!
MJ is GOAT hands down. The most elusive accolade is the 3 peat. Even with all the dynasty's that have dominated the league for decades, it has only happened 3 times in NBA History and MJ has 2 of them! The only other 3 peat was Shaq and Kobe. And to add... he did it, switched to an entirely different SPORT, came back and did it again! It's nuts.
Russel's 8peat
Then lost, but got a 3peat
People: MJ is the GOAT
Lebron: uhm im the GOAT!
@@juanpakinabang4370 LeBron James:"that one right there made me the greatest player of all time, that's what I felt." He said he FELT he became the greatest, he didnt say "I am the goat now." 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Oh really buddy ? really ? mj 3 peated alone ?
When Jordan played, there were "Jordan Rules". He would have easily more rings with today's rules
No doubt about it. Getting knocked to the hardwood shortens your career. And they would only call regular fouls for those. Nowadays you drop ass and it's a tech.
same for wilt chamberlain smh
Lol have you watched the last dance? My goodness. Imagine Kd, Lebron, Giannis played on that era? They will destroy Mj.
@@winstonperra8070 You think KD, LeBron and Giannis are stronger and tougher than Barkley, Malone, Laimbeer, and Rodman?
@@jilly9437 ya
...they'll NEVER be a song sayin: i wanna be like BRON!
case-close!💯
Dumbest comment Ive ever seen case closed. 💯
Funny how you acknowledge that LeBron has multiple losses in the finals "because he had to face teams like the Golden State Warriors," but you fail to mention why LeBron went to the finals 10 times. Well I'll tell you why. Because the Eastern Conference was the Leastern Conference! Yes, LeBron played in the pitiful, putrid, horrid, atrocious, dismal, abysmal eastern conference for the majority of his overrated career. *COMPETITION MATTERS!!* What made the Leastern Conference even worse is when he decided to corner the market and hijack the eastern conference to where no other team had a real legitimate shot to win. And you call that a "winner?" Smh. If LeBron didn't go to the finals in the Leastern Conference, it would have been an EPIC FAIL of EPIC PROPORTIONS! LeBron breached the moral AND ethical code of competitive decorum! He is a loser! He had a shot to stay with his *1st Seed - SIXTY-SIX* win Cavs and then his *1st Seed - SIXTY-ONE* win Cavs, but the old Celtics broke him! Had Michael Jordan did what LeBron did and joined Hakeem, Bird and Magic...Jordan would still be winning championships! [insert sarcasm]. I don't know how many it would have been, but it would have been a lot of them! Probably around 12 championships! LeFraud Shames has destroyed basketball forever! Now teams have to form their own constructed, orchestrated, manufactured, assembled, personally hand-picked super teams just to compete with his super teams! So NO! LeBron James is not a winner! He is a loser! He manipulated the system and destroyed the game for championships! In closing.....any superstar player...and I mean ANY SUPERSTAR PLAYER can win multiple championships of they corner the market and hijack the league to where no other star has a legitimate chance to win. LeBron took himself right out of the GOAT conversation as soon as he bolted to form the Heatles! Discussion *CLOSED!*
Great video, Mj the goat when you take a deep look. LeBron's longevity is the only reason this even a conversation.
100% correct! And due to the fact, that he will stay and retire in LA ... maybe in 4 years ... he will overtake Jorden in many “total”- categrries ... even in the number of championships ... but, the only real success can be measured in, how inspirational a player was. In this category JORDAN was, is, and will always be the greatest of all time and of all sports. In they 90ys everybody on every court around the world wanted to play like Mike, dunk like Mike, fade away like Mike, be like Mike ...
Agreed
And longevity actually makes mj look goater even more and taking 2 seasons out of nba and coming back winning titkes its all over it was over when jordan left the nba. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
6-0 is enough to seal the deal, who is thr GOAT.
Jordan never choke.!
You can very well say Mj had as much longevity as Lebron, neither of his bulls retirements were due to injuries or a low standard of play
Mj is the goat let's be honest 🐐 status
Fax
well u not being honest
cmoneytheman I love lebron but let's face it he's not mj
@@moelawadi9911 yea I know he not he bron one and only a machine
@Real Talk lmao. what you smoking MJ is the goat and is way better how old are you really? lol
Reaching the finals does not make you a winner.
Lol James shouldn’t even be compared that’s to embarrassing
Amazing video bro. LeBron is one hell of a player but he's no where near MJ's level. MJ is the UNDISPUTED GOAT.
Lmfao lebron is the goat
Tim Duncan ( age 37 ), Kevin Garnett ( age 35, 36 ), Ray Allen ( age 35, 36 ), Manu ( age 35 ).
Paul Pierce ( age 33, 34 ).
They were all old, when Lebron defeated them.
@@jared555999 no he not get over bro your gonna lose the argument lol 🤣
If its undisputed why is always disputed with yall needing to keep explaining why jordan is the best?if he was the clear goat these conversations would not exist on a regular basis......nobody has done what Lebron is doing
@@aaronwise6543 how is jordan the goat when he was cut from varsity....only ncaa title he won was off the back of worthy as freshman....only time he won nba championships is with pippen and phil jackson and he never even made it out the east let alone sniffed a ring without them....
MJ was the goat and transformed the game and LeBron is a great second
@TheRealist 811 I got Jordan, Kobe and then Bron but that's me many others have it different BUT Kobe was literally Jordan's mirror image IF YOU TALK ABOUT GOAT as far as work effort is concerned KOBE but balling Jordan without question.
@TheRealist 811 he literally just passed Bird. The whole narrative of this guy is so out of line with reality.
Curry has had more impact on the game than LeBron.
I think he isn't the 2nd best, rn he is 4th for me, people say he is the 2nd best or the GOAT because he is more recent but there were players better then him
@@GatterSzn facts
@@Ozem_Israel you must be a jordansexual
LeBron is the self proclaimed goat while MJ is the goat
Lebron is teaming up with every superstar that he can and only that way hes been able to win championsips, imagine if jordan joined teams with barkley, then malone etc,etc . Theres no comparison
Exactly, Chicago built organically a championship team and even MJ adjusting his team game, on the other hand Lebron manufactures the teams he thinks he can win with.
Perfect observation! MJ is way better !
If Jordan stacked his teams the same way, he would've won 10-12 chips easy
yeah because kevin love is jesus
That's cause the middle of the road NBA teams now are a top 3 team in the 90s. There is so much more talent in the league now then there was back then and don't forget MJ needed a superstar teammate too
Michael Jordan ..The best ever ...Just go and look at highlights sh!t Jordan did unbelievable
Same as lebron
@@dantionebland7275 casual
@@dantionebland7275 you immediately failed in judging the eye test. Go see an ophthalmologist
For real mj had moves, lebron.bodies people.
@@dantionebland7275 he has a lot of flop highlights...
Is this even a question 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂MJ all day
*Offensive Rebounds:*
Michael Jordan -1.6.
Lebron James - 1.2.
Lebron is gaining uncontested Rebounds.
Another hater that doesn’t know anything about basketball 🙄
@@mariocajas1130 *It"s funny how Lebum fans say you hating when you drop Facts.*
Jordan is the greatest to ever do it, it’s not even close lebrons ass at freethrows, he’s big that’s why he can drive in, like stop being a bronsexuals and admit jordans better
@@awaismalik_3549 Lebron is stronger buddy
I think both are outstanding players and both of them had outstanding careers the one knock I have against Lebron James is he always teamed up with other stars to win titles vs Michael Jordan flat out beat the other great players to win his titles
That's been my issue when people say Jordan kept losing in the playoffs instead of the finals.
Yes Jordan kept losing but he didn't team hop. Scottie got to the Bulls and came off the bench for like three years until he became good.
Lebron on the other hand just kept going from team to team begging other guys to join him. Jordan took the Harder road and waited for his team to develop where LeBron didn't.
Here's the funny thing, those Cavs teams were number one seeds in back to back seasons. So they weren't complete trash.
It wasn't like they were winning 36 games a season. They won 55+ plus games and still couldn't get to the finals.
That’s really why he can’t get no “damn respect” right! Nobody respects you when you take shortcuts to win. It’s why Jordan never had to ask for respect. He showed so much heart and determination through failure and perseverance to finally come out on the other side. It’s why MJ will always be the goat!
yep. and to top that off, its one thing to just go to another team, but he went to a contender who was already established and still has a former FVMP actively playing at his prime. And then have another prime franchise player to join him. I actually believed what he said as well that they would win 7x. Failed the first year then only won 2x. Thats nowhere the dominance MJ and the bulls displayed on their dynasty run. The only thing that stopped the bulls, was not their opponents but their GM breaking the team.
Take 2 minutes and review this comparison I created. MJ vs LBJ. All facts.
10 VS 1 scoring titles (1st AT)
-11 vs 1 times total points leader (1st AT)
-9 vs 5 All NBA Defensive first team (1st AT)
-3x vs 0x steals champion (2nd AT)
-516 more steals than lbj wit 5 less seasons played (3rd AT)
-31.5 PPG (with Bulls) 1st AT vs 27.0 PPG
-33.4 playoffs PPG 1st AT vs 28.7
-33.6 finals PPG 1st AT vs 28.6
-MJ has most PPG in a Finals series in NBA history at 41.1 PPG in 93 finals vs LBJ 35.8 ppg 2015 finals
-MJ was '88 DPOY and scoring champ (only player to ever do it) he was also MVP and steals leader that year. LeBron never was DPOY or Steals Leader.
-5 MVPs vs 4 (1 behind Kareem, 2nd AT)
-6 finals MVPs vs 4 (1st AT)
-83.5% vs 74% career FTs.
-MJ 1.6 vs lbj 1.2 career offensive REB -Total RPG 6.3 vs LBJ 7.4
-Assists 5.4 vd LBJ 7.4
-LeBron has MJ slightly beat in 2 categories, with 1 more career TRPG, and 2 more career APG.
-both have 0.8 career blocks per game
-6 chips (6 for 6 100% finals wins, only player to never lose in the finals with over 4 or more trips.
LBJ 4 chips (4 for 10, 40% finals wins)
-LeBron James has lost the 3rd most NBA Finals in NBA history
-LeBron James is the king of NBA Finals losses, with 33 of them. Most all time
IMO THESE ARE A FEW OF MJ'S GREATEST FEATS NO OTHER PLAYERS CAN TOUCH: YET THERE ARE 40-50 MORE.
-Mj is (and no one's come close to this) the only player who has (all in 1 season) won Scoring Title, all NBA and Defensive 1st team, Steals title, Total pts leader, All star Gm MVP, League MVP, Finals MVP, playoff PPG leader, finals PPG leader and Chip! AND MJ DID THAT....TWICE!
Lebron never accomplished close to all those feats in even one season, let alone TWICE
And secondly, Michael Jordan didn't only win DPOY and scoring title in 1988 (only man to ever do it) but he was also the MVP and the steals champ that year. (Another record and another stat LBJ nor anyone has never approached.
-Michael Jordan has the highest game tying/go ahead FG% in the final 24 seconds of a playoff game of any MVP player in the last 20 seasons. MJ (50%). 2nd place is Dirk with (39%). 3rd place is LBJ with (37%), curry and Duncan with 29%, KD and Kobe with 25% etc.
There are 4 players who hold records for highest scoring avg against a franchise. Michael Jordan holds the record for highest PPG AVG against 16 DIFFERENT FRANCHISES!!! Wilt Chamberlain is next against 6 teams. Then it's KD against 3 teams, and LeBron against 1 team (the Bulls)
DEFENSE, STEALS, BLOCKS N MORE RECORDS.
-MJ is 3rd place All-time in total steals with 2514 vs LBJ who is in 14th place with 2063. Almost 500 less steals then MJ, while playing 5 more seasons.
- MJ is 2nd place All-time in steals per game avg 2.4 per game. LeBron is in 70th place averaging 1.6 steals per game
- MJ as the second most steals titles with 3. LBJ has ZERO steals titles.
- MJ has 5 of the TOP 10 highest scoring playoff games in history
- MJ has the all-time record for the most blocked shots ever by a guard with 893!
- His 131 blocks in a single 82 game season is the most ever recorded by a guard!
-MJ was the only player ever with 200 steals and 100 blocks in a season, and he did it twice in 1988 and 1989 (Hakeem and Pippin did it once later on).
-Michael Jordan average 84% at the line. Lebron James averages 73.5%. (Under League avg)
Michael Jordan is proven to be the greatest scorer of all time,
greatest defensive guard of all time.
Top 3 greatest perimeter defender of all time. Greatest playoffs / finals performer of all time.
Top 3 greatest pickpocket of all time.
Greatest blocking guard of all time.
Greatest clutch player of all time.
GOAT
Jordan is goat🐐
PERIOD!!!!!!
No
@@DJ-qe6lp bronsexual🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
lebron would murder mj in a 1v1 in their prime
@@mumu4L bronsexual 🤣🤣
I feel like one of the strongest arguments for Jordan is that they played in an era that defense was so much tighter and physical. As was mentioned in the video, he played against a HOF caliber players on so many teams of the era. I think it’s a lot easier to compare teams, as Jordan was such a rock in his play. I say this having watched basically NO modern basketball. So take it with a huge grain of salt. I loved the tough defense of the time and watching the Bulls slowly change to overcome their next challenge, and that starts with Jordan’s tenacity and his will to win.
check out the suns team this year man. their defence is awesome
🥃
No zone defence
@@alectateformayor5129zone defense is barely ever used in the nba, and its not even a true zone with def 3 seconds.
6 finals with no game 7, 6 titles, 6 MVP finals + 10 scoring tiltles + 2 olympic medals + the beauty of his game and moves, GAME OVER, GOAT!😎
MJ would never win 10 scoring titles if Melo Kobe KD Curry Harden LeBron played in his era !
No wonder mj never went to a game 7 in the finals, competition was shit: the 1991 Lakers were not even a little bit close to the 1980s Showtime Lakers. no Kareem arguably a top 5 player of all time, a huge presence in the low post, no Micheal Cooper who is considered by many the greatest defender in nba history, in their place there was Sam Perkins a 7 footer that played more behind the 3 point line than he did in the paint and he was a labeled as a soft defender in his career, he flopped and didnt play much defense. an intimidating front line, they were not. despite all this, Magic would have had a chance to beat the Bulls if James Worthy didnt suffer a high sprain ankle against the Blazers, Worthy no longer had quickness or lateral movement for the remainder of the playoffs, the injury affected him throughout the finals, Byron Scott also went down with an injury late in the
finals against the Bulls and couldnt play in game 5, Worthy also missed game 5. so basically it was Bulls vs Magic and Magic put up a good fight than MJ would have put if the roles were reversed.
1992 : Blazers: they had one hall of famer: Clyde Drexler and umm... well yeah thats all they had, not much competition at all. blazers also had no inside presence to speak of, a recurring theme in mjs finals matchups, easy ring for mj.
1993:Pheonix Suns: Barkley is a great hofer but he only had KJ on his team, a decent player but no hofer, again no post defense on the suns. tallest player for them was Tom Chambers 6'10" one of the softest defenders of all time. this isnt even the best team barkley played on, the 1985 and 1986 sixers with Dr J, Malone, Cheeks, and Barkley would have wiped the floor with 1993 Bulls and Suns. 1990s teams sucked, the 1993 Suns may have won 62 games against the expansion league but they would struggle to a .500 record in the 80s.
1996 sonics they had hofer Gary Payton a great defender and good scorer, they also had Shawn Kemp a player that would show up fat and out of shape at summer camps. so the sonics had a good defender and a lazy underachiever. Sonics had no inside defensive presence. MJ is free to cake walk to the basket all series. Sonics won 64 games, but its easy to win that number of games in a chump expansion league, they wouldnt have hit .500 in 1986, can you say "no competition".
1997 Utah Jazz: many jockers point to the finals against the Jazz as evidence the Bulls would have beaten the 1980s teams. well in fact the Jazz did have 2 hall of famers: John Stockton and Karl Malone who are also 2 of the 50 greatest players in nba history. lets compare:we have Malone Stockton of the 1980s vs Malone Stockton of the 1990s, I'll call this one a draw. at the forward position jazz had thurl bailey a 6'11" powerful and quick forward. the 1990s Jazz had Bryon Russell who didnt even average double figures in ppg for his career. Bailey was a better scorer, better low post defender, better rebounder, averages more assists per game than Bryon Russell. Bailey wins hands down. at center the 1980s Jazz had Mark Eaton who is 7'4", the greatest shot blocker in the modern basketball era. Eaton once averaged 5.6 blocks per game in a single season still a record that stands. all time he averages 3.5 blocks per game wich is also a record that still stands today. the 1990s Jazz had Greg Ostertag, or maybe POSTERtag. the 1980s Jazz would have destroyed MJ and his Bulls. why ? because the 1980s Jazz wich mark Eaton in the lineup gave the 1980s Jordan fits. from 1985 to 1993 the Jazz with mark eaton were 9-7 against mjs Bulls. there would be no waltzing into the lane for MJ against Eaton and Bailey like he did to Ostertag and Bryon Russell. the 1987 Jazz took the LA Lakers to 7 games, you think the 1997 Jazz could do that ? the 1980s Jazz would have destroyed the 1990s Jazz. so we see again, a weak inside presence of the Utah Jazz wich gives MJ 2 more easy rings.
If Jordan played today, he’s average 50-60 every season. You’re obviously too young to argue.
That’s a lot of words for excuses.
I have Lebron at 10 on my alltime list.
Good day kiddo!
2 time dunk champion also dude really did do everything the nba had to offer
If MJ did what he did in a social media era..there wouldn't even be a debate here.
Don't even compare the two..
Jordan is the g.o.a.t. There will never be a debate
Why never if you believe him to be the goat over the impact and his legacy over brons there is no argument you are correct if that is what goat means to you but you don't think there could be any arugement said for a guy who is 69 250 and has been destroying the league since he was 18 years old never took time off has had only 2 major injuries went to 8 straight finals that there is zero idea that he might be a better player he is by far the better passer and rebounder he might be as good as a defender but he still has had elite defensive years and can guard the 1-5 can play the 1-5 he has been the best player in the league since at least 2012 if not since 2008 what skill of basketball does mj really do better than bron score blk? Maybe and maybe mj would have been better than him at those spots if he was put on a team where he had to do it all by himself but that wasn't the case bron has played multiple seasons with and without stars yet still lead his team in pts as in regular season and in playoffs has lead in pts ast and rebounds he is a player we will never see again his greatness will be gone soon and he deserves to be talked about as over mj at this point he has earned the right to be in the talks at least of being better 3-1 down against a 73-9 team back in Cleveland where he broke there hearts leaving wining them a chip with his best player being kyrie and them having the best shooter of all time a top 2 point guard of all time and klay is another great shooter of all time with draymond one of the best role players great defender to get that done was insane he is the closest player to touch mj and I think a better all around basketball player and that is what I think goat means
Nice word salad buddy.
PS I have Lebron at 10th all time.
Jordan 6-0, James 4-6. The loss column cuts through all the b.s. and gets straight to the point. LeBron is great, but he's not better than Jordan.
The first time he lost the finals was because he had no supporting cast and lost to the spurs. Lost in 2015 because kyrie and Kevin love were injured but still was the best player of the finals. In 2018 he carried a weak Cavs team to the finals but had no supporting cast. His finals performances are way better than you think. He doesn’t get enough respect.
Giovanni Rodríguez excuses and I respect lebron but he’s not the goat yet
LifeWit Adonis lol there not excuses. His 2015 and 2018 NBA finals performances were impressive. I don’t think people should count his finals losses .
Scottie Pippen
He’s right though. If you lose while choking, playing passively or shooting below your average at times . Not coming through in the clutch when needed then yea those should be noted. LBJ has done this several times.
Let this be MJ losing like LBJ did & y’all dudes would be in here shouting that he choked.
Mj without pippen and rodman wouldn’t have won anything
How many players can shoot free throws with their eyes closed in a competitive game and score. Michael Jordan brought a different kind of flavour and euphoria never seen.
You dare him, and he" takes it personal" I can imagine what he does to lebum when he calls himself the goat before a game .
MJ the epitome of the word GOAT ...
Oh so mj hitting a free throw with his eyes closed makes him better than lebron ? 🤣🤣🤣
LeBron James:"that one right there made me the greatest player of all time, THAT'S WHAT I FELT."
"MJ" period
Yo that finals clutch scoring stat was insane.
LeBron has gone to 10 finals to michaels 6 yet michael has 126 clutch points to lebrons 85 and he never went to 7 games and shoots more efficiently.. LeShannon Sharpe absolutely BLOWN THE F OUT with his "the numbers show lebron is more clutch"
at the end of the day the question is when the game is on the line who do you want to have the ball? James will pass it and jordan will shoot it. if the shot goes in James gets the credit for passing the ball, if the shot misses that player just missed. whereas jordan always takes responsibility.
I can think of quite a few times when Jordan passed the ball in very important clutch situations, and there's nothing wrong with doing that if the play works. It's a team game.
@@boblangford5514 thanks for your incredible insight and for missing the point.
@@thesilversurfer285 Your point is invalid if your premise is not true. I quote you: “James will pass it, and Jordan will shoot it.” That is factually incorrect. LeBron has made more game winners in the playoffs than Jordan, and Jordan has passed the ball to other teammates on three separate occasions in the Finals to win a championship. There’s a fact-check for you. You’re welcome.
@@boblangford5514 problem is without paxson or kerr, he would shoot it. If he missed, there's a game 7. Lebron on the other hand would lose if ray missed.
@@kingdinodragonite3470 The only statement I am objecting to is “LeBron will pass it, and James will shoot it.” Your red herring about who they would potentially pass to and under what circumstances is irrelevant to the idea that LeBron will always pass in the clutch and Jordan will always shoot. That statement is just flat out wrong.
It's not bad to be the second greatest player ever. Jordan GOAT
I did not even watch video cause lebron ain't even top five.. so it's a waste of time.. Jordan, russell, magic, kareem, wilt, bird , kobe all better... And I will stop there even tho I have duncanand shaq over him also.. lebron the team stacker can't fuck with the players I named
@Depressed Patriots Fan so u gonna act like russell does not have 11 titles , won as a player coach his last year in the leauge? Put lebron and kobe over Russel?? That's no logical . Then the six time champ kareem?? I don't even have to say nothin about Lue, .. you should already know.. I don't care what magic say.. kobe not better than the GREATEST PG EVER AT 6'9!!! FIVE TITELA WON AS A ROOKIE ... WEN TO WHAY?? NINE FINALS.. AND MAGIC PLAYED ONLY LIKE 13 SEASONS... THEN THERE IS WILT... I NEED NOT EVEN SPEAK ON THIS MAN... EVERY RECORD.. BIRD IS BETTER THAN BRON.. BIRD WON AS A REAL MAN.. NO RUNNING... BIRD WAS CLUTCH.. NO HIDING . 3 REAL TITLES.. NO FAKE TITLES LIKE LEBRON.. BIRD GAVE U A DOUBLE DOUBLE IN HIS SLEEP AND SHOT GREAT FROM THE FIELD.. I CANT PUT KOBE OVER BIRD.. BUT KOBE CAN MAKE THE CASE MORE THAN LEBRON...
@Depressed Patriots Fan ring chasing.. FOH.. u can say what you say and so can I.. but do some research on who this players really are.. u may change your opinion... Russell dominated and won MVP the year wilt averaged 50 and oscar averaged a triple double.. Russel was a pure athlete... I saw dennnis rodman in my day impact the game rebounding and defending.. russell is better than dennis at that but would also get u 24 ppg.. his best year.. so imagine that... And Dennis made the hall putting up no points really.. there is a reason Russel is giving out that finals mvp.. because Russel has some big time finals performances... Russel dominated from start to finish and was the reason for Boston winning.. but I respect your lost more than most the idiots I see on here that got bron over kobe or Jordan.. at leas u got that right
I will take 6-0 over 4-10 any day MJ never folded in the finals or quit on his teammates like Lebron
JORDAN is the GOAT! 💯
YUH LEBRON FANS COME AT US
Lebron James in the East, has never defeated a team as strong as the 1992/1993 Knicks.
*The 1992/1993 Knicks had 7 guys who were All-stars at one point.*
1992/1993 Knicks:
*Patrick Ewing - Top 4 in the MVP vote ( 1993 ), Top 5 in the MVP vote ( 1992 ).*
*Mark Jackson - 1x All-star, 1x Assists Leader, ROY.*
*John Starks - 1x All-star, 1x All-Defensive Team, 1x Nba Sixth Man.*
*Doc Rivers - 1x All-star.*
*Charles Oakley - 1x All-star, 2x All-Defensive Team.*
*Anthony Mason - 1x All-star, 1x All-Defensive Team, 1x Nba Sixth Man.*
*Xavier McDaniel - 1x All-star.*
*Charles Smith.*
FACTS!!!!
In your dreams James is the worst
This is one of the most unbiased arguments I've ever seen on this debate
One of the best comparison videos out there. This needs more views, PLEASE!
A. M. Hoops should watch this!
Nick Wrong Should Watch this!
Shannon Sharp Should watch this!
they know the truth but marketing and rating is more profitable to them.
MJ - GOAT
LBJ - SELF PROCLAIMED KING
Self proclaimed? Are you dumb or something? King moniker was given to him ever since high school... what are you even talking about?
Fax Jordan fans are nastalgic in 20 years we will be talking Lebron as the goat watch
@@zairea.4605
*All-Nba players.*
LBJ"s era ( 2003/2018 ):
*East* - 58.
*West* - 147 ( LOL ).
*Let"s not forget Joakim Noah was the last First team All-Nba player ( 2014 ) besides Lebron James before Giannis ( 2019 ).* Lebron feasted in the weak East.
MJ and Kobe didn"t have that luxury. Lebron is the most overrated player in Nba history.
@@user-sd5nm5hz3z yeah, fucking self proclaimed king, everyone knows that. If you are the best, or you are king, people should say that, you don't need to call yourself King or GOAT. People think that he is GOAT, but he don't need to do that, if he is GOAT, people will say that. Anyway, for me he was never King. Player who only play for statistics. Kawhi, Kevin Durant, Kobe, Jordan, maybe even Bird, Irving, Curry, they all can destroy him in 1 on 1 game, Lebron just has power and use his power the best he can, he is like Harden, always shoot under the basket, but Harden had shooted more 3s than him.
@@hristijandimitrovski8664 don’t cry little girl. Lebron is the goat, like it or not 😎
Lol first Kobe now Lebron. As great as they both are once Lebron is retired they will find someone else to compare to the GOAT for dramatic media hype. Thank you Michael for all the wonderful years. There will just never be anything like him again.
Well this says it all Jordan the Goat lmao!😂😆
Not in the eyes of bronsexuals lol🤣🤣
@@SuperbMan-bb9gy Bronsexuals are blind as a bat. 😂
Michael Jordan is the Undisputed Goat! The world voted! 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️ 60 better than 37 y’all keep forgetting Mike took 2 yrs off
You know it’s 4-6 not 3-7 right... seriously?
Minotaur Plays even worst dick head but thanks for the correction ! 👍🏾 appreciate the hate. You’re the best pal ahh could’ve did it without ma’am ! Mj the 🐐🤷🏾♂️😂
Great video, providing facts to get more of the whole picture. A lot of the uncontested rebounds that bron gets are because he won't play defense sometimes and hangs out by the rim to get rebounds. He's the definition of Stat-Padford. Jordan was the superior defender, a true 2-way team player.
MJ THE GOAT 🐐
labeling Lebron as the GOAT who has a losing 4-6 record in the Finals is laughable..
Plus if MJ wouldn't have stepped aside from bball after his Father passed away and played baseball there's a strong chance that he'd have 7 or 8 championships.
Stop with the what ifs for MJ, thats pathetic. If Kyrie and Love were healthy in 2015 or if KD never joined the warriors were never an excuse for Lebron so stop making what ifs for the former goat.
@@roarnightingale2238 Former? Mj is The Goat until I see a 3peat from Lb this shouldn’t even be a topic of conversation it’s jus stupid.
He'd have 7 chips most likely. 1994 with Horace they could have beaten Hakeem's Rockets. 1995 without Horace or Rodman, they might have beaten Magic (if MJ wasn't rusty) and maybe have had beaten the Rockets.
@@roarnightingale2238 You're right, I mean 'what if' Lebron didn't shrink so much in 2011, he'd have another title and Wade would have been Finals MVP
@@bobbyd1632 yeah man, what if mj didn't smoke so much pack he could have had 20 years in the league
EVEN LEBRON KNOWS MJ IS BETTER THAN HIM
no he dont cause he not
factz
Team labron
@@darrelladams6826 Can’t even spell his name right🤦🏽♂️
It's called spell check btw lebron and le,bron is also correct it's spelled different you mean little kids lol
Not mention all of Jordans stats INCLUDE his Wizards year when he was 40+. If you just use Bulls years it is NO CONTEST.
Everyone wants to be like Mike! Even LBJ wearing MJ 23! 😂
Its pretty obvious to anyone thats unbiased that Jordan is clearly the Goat
Its obvious that Lebron is the better player...and its obvious jordan played for the better franchise as we saw how good the Bulls functioned without jordan winning 55 games and pippen finishing as an mvp candidate.
If Lebron woulda got a pippen caliber player, and a hallbof fame caliber coach by year 4 in Cleveland like jordan did there would be no discussion.
@@ddp5406 Lol Lebron had Wade and AD who are both better and more talented players than Pippen and you know it.. I remember Pippen in 1987 he was awful and Jordan pushed Pippen and was a product of Michael Jordan... Wade and AD were already established players.. Pippen led Bulls in 95 the following year when they won 55 games with Jordan’s 3peat team and then some.. Went 31-35 and would have missed the playoffs until a rusty Jordan came back from retirement and went on a 20-14 run and dragged that team to the semi finals..
@Cyber Bully so ur argument is Lebron would not allow himself to be coached by a great coach....on fair enough, Lebron is already the coach...but what about him getting a pippen caliber player by year 4? Lebron in year 3 at 21 years old was battling a championship contending pistons team to 7 games with a lottery team...jordan at year 3 was being swept in the 1st round and then he got pippen who was a top 5 draft pick.
U and the jordan stans are the biased ones
@@MINK2393 pippen was a top 5 draft pick and was a rookie in 87 lol...when jordan left he was an mvp candidate. Wade is better than pippen but the league is also better too...when he had wade and bosh the celtics had kg, pierce, rondo and allen. The Lakers had Kobe, Bynum, Odom, and Gasol. The spurs had parker, Duncan, and Ginobili and then kawhi.....yet Lebron was so good everyone just expected him to stay on a lottery team and beat these teams year after year....Lebron had Ad this year, yet vegas odds had them finishing the season 4th in the west with EVERYBODY and their baby momma's had the clippers or Bucks winning the title......Lebron made it look easy finishing the regular season atop the western conference, and 2nd in the mvp race (Lebron could never win in the west is what people said) and sliced through the playoffs winning for his 3rd team and coach while capturing his 4th fmvp.
@@MINK2393 and that Bulls team was above .500 and were still in the playoff race the 2nd year w/o jordan...they had also lost Horace Grant who was an all star for them in that 55 win season...it was a miracle pippen was still holding their head above water and was on a 3 game win streak before jordan made his return....it still wasn't enough as they would lose to baby shaq and the magic...they ran it back with Rodman and that is when they won the 2nd 3peat....don't try me, i lived through that era too
MJ 10 years is 1987-1998. You’re counting a 17 games, left baseball lockout season as MJ 10 year peak. MJ played full years, rookie year 85, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 96, 97, 98.
What you said is correct but you can't skip years "played" regarding peak. It's defined by range. It would be unfair to Lebron also because he never stopped playing. So think of MJ playing baseball as an injured year in the sense he played 18 games. Again, based on full seasons, you are 100% correct.
@@eggiej25 if you start LBJ in 2008, MJ is still the better player. Only MJ rookie year is outside his peak and that year is .515% FG took Lebron until 2012 to match his 9th year and nba rule changes and going to Miami. Rookie MJ 28.2 points, 6.5 rebs, 5.9 assists, 2.4 steals, .8 blocks lead entire nba in total points, had more total steals that year than Bron ever had.
@@eggiej25 start 2009 his 1st mvp, MJ still better. MJ undefeated with home court advantage, has a ring for every 57 games won season. 09, 2010, 2011, Lebron lost series with home court all 3 years, and had 58 wins, nba best record 66 and 61 while mvp both years. MJ is mvp/FMVP 4X same year while scoring champ and 1st team defense. 1987-1998, miss that 17 games 1995, is untouchable.
@@kristion9774 Of course Jordan is the Goat. I always tell people that. Lebron is great. Just from watching you can see MJ is more fundamentally sound. Lebron has more weaknesses in his game.
Where did you get some of those statistics on late-game clutch shots and the per-game analytics? Excellent Video and presentation on this debate which turns out is absolutely no debate at all.
SICK VIDEO ... must have taken a while to get those stats together great work!!!
Even though my team just lost I don’t really care that we lost
Huh? Why?
Benjamin An I just don’t care
We had a good season bri
Because its a mickey mouse championship
The yankees got knocked out in the semis and i could care less
I agree with most but bron does not have a better offensive iq I’m just being honest
Just stop talking about basketball at this point
Like passing it to Danny Green for a 3 pointer
@@stevencoleman107 lmao so it’s smarter to shoot over 3 people instead of passing to a wide open 3 point specialist?
@@legoatjagoat4691 tbf I can't really fault him for passing it to him that was probably the only thing he could do but idk abt Danny Green being a "3 point specialist"
@@legoatjagoat4691 Dude a three-point specialist will score at best 40% 3P but at the end of the game, the rate of making it will decrease drastically. Dont forget, Miami was leading with only one point. Lebron would have gone for a two-point which the chance to make the shot is better. My problem is not about passing the ball but going for a 2 point shot. I will also blame Danny Green cos he had time to pump & fake and drive in for a mid-range shot which is better than 3 point shot in that situation.
Additional categories you should have included:
- Flops per season
- Crying and tantrums against referees
- Total plays given up on
- Number of teammates traded
- Number of all-star teammates
At 19:05, you should say MJ objectively triumphs in 5 out of 7 categories, and subjectively in the Eye Test. Great video!
It's unfair due to timing, but you could also add that MJ revolutionized the game, especially for non-fans of Basketball.
Jordan is the Greatest ever Period!
💯💯💯💯
Excellent breakdown! Bronsexuals crying just about now!!
8:53 that was a stupid statement. He’s lost more finals than he’s won! That by definition is a LOSER. Lebron is the GOLAT. Not only that but half of his wins were flukes proven by the following season where he’d get demolished in the finals. He flops to much and complains when he loses. He’s a top 7 player at best.
MJ 6'6" , 6 rings , 6 categories wins compare to LBJ , 6 games played in every finals , etc. The number 23 was used out of respect and exposure but not for competing reasons. He is always looking for people to fabricate his excellence . President Obama congrats him on his 4th championship while a few years back MJ was receiving his goat medal surrounded by goat people in all facet of life. He is a great player and human being but in my top 10. Only one team created the LBJ rule in 17 years in the league "let him shoot or send him to the free throw line." He is been openly grateful to the Spurs by working on his shot skill but the improvements were not noticeable. In my opinion , LBJ is allergic to the number 6 in term of winning but not losing. MJ the goat.
I never considered LBJ close to Jordan.. but when I saw a vid pointing out how much LBJ focuses on his stats over all else..so much of what he does, what he says, became so clear.. his #1 concern is getting his stat numbers, he wont even consider any system to help his team if it effects his stats.. stats chasing is Lebrons #1 concern, Jordan chased Rings, Wins, and a mental edge..not stats what kids don't always realize is that to get his #s LBJ neglects other vital aspects to compile the easy or unnecessary assists/rebounds/ect..