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2009 LeBron vs 1990 Jordan: Who's Better?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ส.ค. 2024
- Part 7 in our Player Comparison Series this time comparing 2 of the best statistical Playoff Runs in NBA History. Hope you enjoy and Happy Easter.
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Jordan is freaken Thanos with all 6 infinity stones:
1) Mind - Killer Mentality
2) Power - Explosive First Step
3) Reality - Control and Mastery of the Ball
4) Soul - Unmatched Artistry
5) Space - Created with his Amazing footwork
6) Time - Hang Time!
All held by his gauntlet size hands!
Something no one talks about is Jordan’s big ass hands😂😂
Yeah he was like Thanos he made other superstars disappear from winning the title when he played in the 90s
Jordan: (after reading this comment) This does put a smile on my face
@Zachary Ravel well I didn't actually go and do the math on this. But everybody knows the pace of play in the 90s was slower. So if anybody's stats were to go up it would be Jordan's.
@Zachary Ravel I hate when people just say things without actually knowing if they’re true or not😂
09 LeBron was really good, but i gotta go with Jordan
@Zachary Ravel fair point, but that isn't taking into account the quality of the teams that they're facing
Zachary Ravel played against shittier teams in a easier era and still got whooped by D howard while mj lost to the champion pistons lebrons stats should be above and beyond mjs considering the era alone, call it hypotheticals lol but mj woulda a averaged 50 on the bummy teams lebron faced sorry but stats dont always tell the whole story.......yea mj still got better stats in his much shorter career across the board lol you can keep this 1 season n hold a L like lebron does in the goat convo..... just my inner thoughts.
1990 MJ > 2009 Kobe > 2009 LeBron
@Paul Rodríguez Lebron never was and never will be better than Jordan. The stats prove it. The accolades and accomplishments prove it. Winning proves it. Jordan is just overall better. Which is why Lebron is still tryna prove that he’s the goat when he’s not.
@Paul Rodríguez Jordan would easily average 50 in today's NBA and is much better overall also faced tough compettion in the finals also playoffs. Why dont u talk about the weak east teams that lebron faced
I like how he bring up one player without tearing down the other
Already better than half of the comment section
@@antichaos yea every lebron video he has is jus his comment section slandering lebron
Jordan is the Goat scorer, like he averaged 43ppg on 55% from the field
What’s crazy is he averaged over 40+ ppg against a Barkley led team twice in the post season. People have no idea how great Barkley was and how he could’ve had at least 2 rings had it not been for MJ.
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx pippen guarded Barkley and Jordan guarded Kevin Johnson, same matchups on offense, they didn’t really affect each others play that much directly
@@matthewsemenoff72 MJ guarded Barkley at times but my point was that he had to average over 40+ ppg against a Barkley led team twice. I’m not saying MJ scored all 40+ directly on him or something.
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx alright, I agree with that logic, it is greatness in its finest form
@Michael Murphy I think Kenny Smith said it best, we’ve seen MJ play in a physical era and we saw how dominant he was. Now imagine him in a softer era with less physical contact and more freedom offensively. He’s only gonna get better whereas we’ve never seen LBJ in a physical era with more contact for defenses and hand checking, with elite big men in the paint.
32 points per game while getting the crap beat out of you is crazy, that means he could double that today since players can barely touch each other
Well wilt averaged 50 while getting his teeth knocked out so I guess he would average 200 PPG in today's league.
@@benthebot4536 In today's league a center is almost obsolete so I'm not sure if he would have a job today lol
@@denohanna858 the top 2 MVP canadates this year were centers lol, do you watch the NBA
1990 was Phil Jackson's first year as head coach and the Bulls spent the full year learning a new offense -- an offense meant to take the ball out of MJ's hands and utilize his teammates more. Although MJ's 1990 season numbers are mind-boggling, stats aren't everything. MJ in 1990 was a much better player than he was in 1988 despite the slight drop off in stats. And he was a substantially better player in 1990 than Lebron was in 2009 despite how close the numbers are.
How is MJ better if not Statistically?
He was a better leader. He was better at managing the game. He knew when to step on the gas. He knew how to stop the opposing team's runs. He knew better how to get his teammates involved. He was a better team defender. He was smarter. He was more mature. He knew how to find his spots on the court better. 1988 MJ was a tornado. He played at one speed (think Russell Westbrook but much better). In 1988, he produced more (better stats) but his teams weren't as good because his teammates were not as involved. MJ was much better in 1990 than he was in 1988.
@@TayGee-mh8eo kinda sounded like Kawhi whom I’m afraid of as a Warriors fan. That guy knows WHEN and WHERE to hurt the opponent, and one is just surprised that all that has already happened. 🥵
@@hastensavoir7782 Kawhi is looking good right now. I hope it continues. It's good to see him playing well after being hurt for so long. Warriors need to stop up big time right now.
@@TayGee-mh8eo I know Steph will
Step up BIG tomorrow. I reckon if they win 2 straight then the series is Over for the Kings.
Jordan opponents were the defending champions and went on to win their 2nd straight title, Lebron opponents, got a gentleman’s sweep in the finals and their previous season,also got a gentleman’s sweep in the eastern conference semifinals. Weaker competition,just saying
Yep, the Atlanta Hawks won 47 games that year and were the 4th seed. Had they been out West they would’ve been the 9th seed and missed the playoffs, that’s how trash the East was.
This is not even remotely close. I'm sorry, but Jordan was transcendent. I mean, come on, averaging 37 on absurd efficiency and then going on to average 43 ppg in the next round on 55% FG almost 40% from 3, in the 90s, alongside 7 assists and 7 rebounds? Lebron's never been capable of that, in any year. Jordan was another level of dominant, the highest that we've seen (perhaps Wilt was as well... we'll never know). Lebron is the best of his generation, like Kareem.
I'll never forget this stat. I saw it in 2016 so it probably needs to be updated, but at the time it was this ... 50 point playoff games since 1984. Jordan - 8. Rest of the league combined - 13. Kobe - 1. Lebron - 0 (He's had one since). People don't realize how hard it is to score against playoff defenses. Hell, look at what happens to James Harden every year, and he's one of the best scorers ever. Also worth noting is that Jordan had those assist number playing off ball shooting guard, not playing point like Lebron. Imagine Jordan's stats if he played point guard? The season that he did it for just part of the season, he averaged 32 8 and 8, closer to a triple double than Lebron ever has until 2 seasons ago when lebron put up worse stats at 25 10 and 8.
Bron is definitely capable of averaging 37 on that efficiency
@@jasonmoukala8909 I don't think he is. Link me if he has. Even the Raptors series was 36 ppg and many consider the his very best alongside the Pistons series. By the way, that Raptors series? Is literally equal to prime Jordan's typical stats of 36, 6 and 6 in every playoff series for 8 years of his early career. Jordan is a far superior scorer. Top 10 playoff series averages of all time- Jordan has 7 of the top 10. Lebron doesn't appear once. 10 scoring titles to 1.... Scoring is not even close.
@@jasonmoukala8909 I should also mention that Lebron has one of the worst midrange percentages of greats all time.. in the 30 percentile. That holds him back from being a monster scorer, along with the free throw percentage, and compared to Jordan, he has a significant lack of moves.
@@jasonmoukala8909 No he is not. He is capable of 22 ppg on 35% from the field
@@air2373 whatever dude
Next should be 96 Penny vs 03 McGrady
Mcgrady winning easy
thats a dope matchup, but i think T Mac should be matched up with kobe or kd
@@mugetsu2862 he should do a 2007 leborn vs 2008 kobe but kobe would probably win by a lil bit
@Uncut Hoops. Make it happen🔥😂
T mac wins
You forgot a very important category, flops. Lebron 2.3 per game. Jordan none all year. No team that Lebron faced was even close to the Pistons.
No team Lebron ever faced was even close to the pistons?!
No disrespect to those Pistons, they were an all time great team. But my god Lebron has faced some incredible teams throughout his career. Celtics, Spurs and Golden State. I would take Spurs and GSW in their prime over the Pistons.
@@tigeryumyums9407 man pistons in 89 shits over all the Spurs teams Bron faced
@@kase121 good lord this comment section 🤦♂️that Spurs team featured some of the highest point differentials in nba history. The largest average victory by margin in the nba finals. The best power forward ever, one of the best coaches ever. 5 championships, 18+ straight playoff appearances. Multiple 60 win seasons, 4 hall of fame players in Duncan, Parker, Ginobli and Leonard. The bad boy pistons were great, but with a resume like that, I am taking the Spurs.
@@tigeryumyums9407 Bruh stop acting like your word is everything. Not one of those players were in their primes. Spurs last chip was in 07 & 7 years until the next. Pistons actually went back to back something Spurs never did n they had the coach of the Olympic team.
@@tigeryumyums9407 Spurs went 7 games with the 8th seed Mavs & you think pistons who swept everyone except MJ wouldn’t beat them gtfo
There is no player that compares to Jordan in his prime
Curry level mvp
@@kingking01868 Are your comparing Curry to Jordan? Are you saying Curry compares to Jordan??
No man, only the moments when curry was mvp 2 times.
@@kingking01868 curry is a great player, I think curry is definitely better than LeBron but not Jordan
@@jakedooley5300 I don't think so man, lebron is more complete than curry.
God damn they averaged like 36 each for an entire playoff run now that’s greatness
The eastern conference in 2009 was a joke
@@toriedavis4403 better than the west
@@gggyy7104 6 50 win teams No team below 48 wins vs Three teams At least 59 wins cool. But after that there is no team above 48 wins And There are three Teams with 500 win percentage or below. Finally there’s a 39-43 Team in the playoffs.
@@lamontwhite2414 The East won 8 more games then the West in 2009
Lebron fanatics and young cats that never watched MJ play live:
‘WTF he NEVER picks Lebron!
The rest of us: ‘what have I been trying to tell you??’
Lol
You can't deny Lebron's greatness tho,you would be a fool to not think he isn't a first ballot hall of famer now at this stage of his career or an all time great for that matter. His Re'sume speaks for itself.
I mean it’s pretty obvious he’s bias
I watched mj play, lebron is better
@@dynamic6645
You watched nothing, straight up lier.
You didn’t mention LeBron was upset by Orlando. Orlando team had no 2nd Allstar not to mention their second best player didn’t even play in that series!!! Regular season stats were heavily better for MJ
Trueee Janet didn’t play magic would’ve won in 5 if he played tbh.
@Zachary Ravel that’s good but I d expect his stats be nice against the teams he played. Video gives good detail into competition they faced. Few compare per 100 possession when comparing 2016-present stats against late 95-2000 players stats when game was way slower. Most Bron Harden or Westbrick never show what their stats would be per 100 most just give them credit.
Jordan is the greatest two way player of all time easily n there’s not a close second. Just for the standpoint of... for him to average a career 30ppg and play nba 1st team defense every single year. None of that” I’m tired so I’m gonna rest on defense” like lebron did for 5 years man. Lebron is a great player. Bt no. It’s jordan
@@karanveerdhillon7867 agreed
@@karanveerdhillon7867 Hakeem was great, definitely a top 10 all time great
All I know is MJ would not let Jason Terry outscore him or be dominated by him.
All I know is that LeBron doesn’t get bounced in the first round
@@mormanfreegan545 All I know is Michael Jordan always made playoffs since his rookie year.
@@ndjiponomfoumboulou9170 All I know is it’s lot easier with only 23 teams in the league and 16 make the playoffs
@@mormanfreegan545 lol at averaging 17ppg in the NBA Finals and losing while having home court advantage
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@mormanfreegan545 Jordan had harder comp in the playoffs early in his career
Jordan clearly had the better stats for the regular season. Like super clearly
not really when you consider pace and advanced stats... although MJ is the goat for me individually that 2008/09 season for lebron might be the best single season ever considering regular season plus playoffs, also had the greatest box +/- ever. He did that for a team who was bottom 5 in the league in pace and in 2009 teams averages 8 less points per game than in 1990. People forget from the 70s to about 1993 the pace was actually about what it is right now, that's a great reason as to why we see the 80s have some of the most ridiculous stats ever (like I believe 9 of the 10 best ever assists per game seasons were in between 1980 and 1992, steals and blocks per game were at an all time high due to the pace and style of game)
@@Luckymag-if4dw I agree (well mostly), it's like how players argue Lebron was better in 2018 than MJ was in 1997. Teams averaged 90ppg in 97 (like Miami vs Bulls), while the Cavs averaged 120ppg against the Raptors in 2018 playoffs. That's 25% more available stats (30 more available points) and even still MJ's stats were close to Lebrons. You add 25% to MJ's stats in 97 and he's 42ppg!
MJ’s 90 regular season was better, always have to put context.
@Zachary Ravel you're not taking consideration of the defense against MJ, those numbers are great and not discounting Lebron at all but if he faced defense like MJ did in the 1990 ECF - Lebron's numbers are dropping for sure
@Zachary Ravel Two things though man, firstly 2009 was not as much a defensive era (as 1990) so comparing 2009 Magic to 1990 Pistons defensively in most cases you'll get laughed at. But in fairness Howard and that squad were good defensively for sure and yes compared to today that 2009 era was more defensive. Remember that 2009 series Magic were without their second best player and all-star against the Cavs, not the same team. Also the Magic double teamed Lebron around about 25% of the time he had the ball that series and Jordan was double teamed 75%+. - context matters bro, those series by comparison do favour MJ's argument in a big way
@Zachary Ravel all you brontards bring up is stats when LeBron is usually a losing player in the finals, Jordan never lost in the finals, plus nobody plays good defense nowadays cause hand checking is not allowed which makes it easier to score, plus for career average points per game Jordan averaged alot more than LeBron
@@bobbyd1632 damn so jordan faced the Detroit Pistons defense 82 times plus playoffs that’s crazy
@@MrSlashblade Not sure what you mean bro - MJ faced the Pistons 64 times in his career (had to look that up) - what I said in my other comment was MJ was double teamed around 3/4 of the time he touched the ball against Detroit in 1990 and Lebron was barely double teamed by Orlando at all
Imagine averaging 33-7-6 and almost 3 steals a game to finish 3rd in MVP voting. MJ is on another level
Jordan by a mile. The Cavs played vs lame teams, Chicago had to play vs tons of champion caliber teams. LeBron is overrated. I’m telling you kid, when MJ23 was young, ABSOLUTELY nobody could stop MJ 25pt was a bad game for him. I don’t like MJ23, because I was Celtics fan. But I have to recognize MJ23s greatness. People forget how many teams from 80-95 were stacked and how much generational talent was there and being the best among all those players tells a lot. Don’t get me wrong, LeBron is great among average players and a few superstars, but back then there were too many stars and the game was though, not like today, a bunch of divas. AI would have 5 championships today with no practice 😂
🤣
Not sure why people don't understand that Jordan is the best you can get as a basketball player
Imagine if Jordan played in this soft ass league we have today smh... He dominated his era and that's when u were actually allowed to play defense. Jordan's stats would damn near be doubled in today's league if he was playing.
MJ has so many crazy stats but missing only 6 games throughout the 6 championships might be the craziest and the Bulls never lost three games in a row in that same span from 1990 - 1998 (not including the year he came out of retirement which was less than half a season) insane
2 of the missed games were from suspensions
Great comparison I’m ab to start writing these down to make my own
Before anyone says Lebron's team was trash(like any delusional fan boy in the comments section) in this series, let's compare both '90 Bulls and '09 Cavs per basketball reference:
'90 BULLS
PTS/G: 109.5 (9th of 27) Opp PTS/G: 106.2 (12th of 27)
SRS: 2.74 (9th of 27) Pace: 96.7 (17th of 27)
Off Rtg: 112.3 (5th of 27) Def Rtg: 109.0 (19th of 27) Net Rtg: +3.3 (9th of 27)
Reg season:
Pts/Reb/Ast/Stl/Blk
Jordan: 33.6/6.9/6.3/2.8/0.7
Pip: 16.5/6.7/5.4/2.6/1.2
Grant: 13.4/7.9/2.8/1.2/1.1
Cartwright: 11.4/6.5/2.0/0.5/0.5
Paxon: 10.0/1.5/4.1/1.0/0.1
Playoffs:
Pts/Reb/Ast/Stl/Blk
Jordan: 36.7/7.2/6.8/2.8/0.9
Pip: 19.3/7.2/5.5/2.1/1.3
Grant: 12.2/9.9/2.5/1.1/1.1
Cartwright: 8.1/4.7/1.0/0.3/0.3
Paxon: 6.1/1.5/3.6/0.6/0.0
'09 CAVS
PTS/G: 100.3 (13th of 30) Opp PTS/G: 91.4 (1st of 30)
SRS: 8.68 (1st of 30) Pace: 88.7 (25th of 30)
Off Rtg: 112.4 (4th of 30) Def Rtg: 102.4 (3rd of 30) Net Rtg: +10.0 (1st of 30)
Expected W-L: 65-17 (1st of 30)
Reg season:
Pts/Reb/Ast/Stl/Blk
James: 28.4/7.6/7.2/1.7/1.1
Mo Williams: 17.8/3.4/4.1/0.9/0.1
Delonte West: 11.7/3.2/3.5/1.5/0.2
Varejao: 8.6/7.2/1.0/0.9/0.8
Ilgauskas: 12.9/7.5/1.0/0.4/1.3
Playoffs:
Pts/Reb/Ast/Stl/Blk
James: 35.3/9.1/7.3/1.6/0.9
Mo Williams: 16.3/3.2/4.1/0.7/0.1
Delonte West: 13.8/3.5/4.1/1.4/0.5
Varejao: 6.9/6.4/0.6/1.3/1.1
Ilgauskas: 10.5/7.8/1.2/0.4/0.9
We here’s your first problem that’s 2010 Cavs
And even then you saw a significant decrease across the board. I mean how great are you teammates really in 09 if Bron has to lead the entire team in every category (yes even blocks since Ben Wallace and Big Z didn’t even hit 70 games) and your all star teammate made it via replacement.
Meanwhile Scottie got all star on his own merits, and you are lying if you really think Pippen, defensive stallworth Horace Grant, and good role players Paxon and Cartwright are less then Big Z, an old Ben Wallace, Delonte West.
Let’s not even get to the point of the 1990 Bulls apparently are overrated, by who? I don’t know anybody who says Jordan had an all time team in 1990. What? oh Scottie had a migraine and it meant Chicago could have won in game 7? That’s the extent to overrating the 1990 bulls? I mean if anything the 09 Cavs are overrated because this was a squad that was suppose to match tik for tak with the eventual 09 Lakers.
So mo did put up 17.8 but then it takes a huge nose dive from there as 4 players hit double digits in the regular season in 09, in the post season you still had only 4 players Lebron included
@@MrSlashblade thanks for the correction. Edited and re-posted the '08-'09 stats from BB reference.
Point still stands. Most LBJ fans call that team trash, bums, your local YMCA, and all those demeaning terms they can label that team just to bolster LBJ. How disrespectful is that to his teammates. I get that they listen and get their info based off certain clowns like Shannon, Nick or whoever is on Klutch Sports' payroll. In reality he had a great supporting cast, better than MJ's '90 team as compared in this vid.
@@punyemas9783 no they didn’t, this 09 team (minus Lebron) was not even a stronger cast then the 11 Cavs team which added Antwan Jamison and THEY DIDNT WIN 20 GAMES.
They are professionals but that’s it. You can hold on to the stats but at the end of the day in the short future we saw how great those players were, they won 19 games when Lebron left
Oh but Big Z, and Shaq, and Mo who was traded and Delonte and hurt Varejao weren’t also there. Big Z and Shaq barely played the latter because of injury. They traded mo because they weren’t getting results and Varejao defense is going to get them more wins? Bottom line is those stats lose all value when just two years later they were one of the worst teams in nba history, and Bron got them 60 wins.
@@MrSlashblade why are you bringing that up? The video says '09 Cavs. Stay on topic. The 2010-2011 19-win team Cavs is a different story and we all know why that happened.
You went and manually got stats needed for this video? That's a subscribe right there.
I love these videos
Any year Jordan would beat any year lebron. It’s not even close. Jordan was too dominant on both sides of the court.
Great vid bro👍👍👍👍👍
This comparison needs to stop. Mental toughness and playing 100% at all times is not James' forte.
Exactly. I'm tired of the comparisons. Both players don't even play under the same rules. James plays in a pussified era with defensive rules taken out to make it much easier for offensive players. Jordan will average 45 ppg at least in this era if he played in it and embarrass Lebron. I have no doubt
@@jamesbrownson8059 u realize bron also played in the early tough defensive 2000s era right?
@@jasonmoukala8909
Don't even bother.
Bet they forgot lbj played in the hand checking Era as well and averaged almost 20 pg as an 18 year old lol.
LBj played in both the supposed hard Era and the now called soft Era.
Yet he was getting his regardless of the rules.
@@iamdalibor Big facts
Great video topic....salute
Can you compare other players. I am sick and tired of the Jordan and Lebron comparisons!
1990 is one the handful of MVP’s that MJ should’ve won. He led the league in PER/WS & WS/48 and other advanced stats. That year was actually a close race, not like today when someone loses by a large margin and his fanbase say he was “robbed” or that it was “close” when it wasn’t. MJ should’ve been MVP that year, had it been in today’s era with social media and everything we definitely would’ve heard people say he was robbed.
i remember the league actively looking for players other than Jordan to hand the MVP to, and everybody knew it at the time
Jordan has been robbed of MVP on more than one occassion. if he didnt retire twice and the league actually gave the award to the individual Most Valuable to his team, Jordan wins 10 MVPs easy
It should've went to Barkley aswell. Chuck had the most first place votes but for some reason wasn't given the MVP that year.
Naaah Charles Barkley deserved that
@@youboob6297 10? Yeah no. Stop wanking him. Mvp mostly goes to the player who had the best impact on their teams success, not who had the best individual stats
@@izuokoko1896 playoffs play a big part in choosing MVP because thats the time when the sportswriters choose the winner and its still fresh in thier minds
in 1990 76ers were in 1st place in thier division and Bulls wound up in 2nd behind 59 win Pistons. but Bulls won 55 games that year and 76ers only 53. Bulls also eliminated 76ers in playoffs 4-1 second round so that may have played a part
Pippen did not win MVP in 1994 because his team was eliminated early in second round but MVP winner Olajuwon won the Finals
MJ is the GOAT, anyone who says different is just a troll.
Lebron has many arguments as well
@Zachary Ravel Okay. What about per 48 minutes?
@Zachary Ravel that's a cool stat.
@@17CarlAndreiEnrico not really. What, playing longer and accomplishing less?
joining DWade and Bosh ruined it for him. That killed the NBA to this day.
Helluva video🙌🏽🙌🏽
MJ absolutely destroys him offensively and defensively. He had a DPOTY, won the scoring title at the same time he won the DPOTY, led the league in steals three times, and was a nine time all defensive first team selection.
Then you have MJ averaging 30 ppg for his career, and that’s after his second comeback where he “only” averaged 21 ppg with the Wizards at 38 and 39 years old.
I mean Lebron only has a career ppg of 27, and that’s with a ton of rules changes to make scoring EASIER. Even with those rules changes, he still can’t average what MJ did.
Lebron James is another poor man’s Michael Jordan. He’s been chasing Jordan his whole career and like all post Jordan era competitors, he falls woefully short. Jordan in 90 was on the ascension as an all around team leader and teammate. Instead of dominating teams individually (which is what he did in previous seasons), Jordan took a step forward in leading his teams on both ends of the floor. They won it all the following year on route to a 3peat. Lebron has only been a stat chaser. You can say he had a “weak” supporting cast all you want. That team was designed for Lebron James to flourish...stat wise. All the intangibles, leadership, clutch gear where he knows when it’s time for him to finish for his team is a role he has never taken by the horns🤣. There is no comparison between these two players. One painted a masterpiece on a blank canvas, the other has been trying to duplicate a savant using color by number methods.
wish we got a kobe vs lebron finals in 2009
Kobe was gonna win
@@aydenhenderson2771 Yeah the Lakers frontcourt was tough with Bynum, Gasol, and Lamar Odom.
@@koolkai4299 Faxs the lakers were the better team
@@koolkai4299 yep and the bench is super good
@@lbjking5117 and the 2009 lakers bench was like the best bench in the nba that year
You are easily the best TH-camr ever
Slam dunk contest Jordan vs No dunk contest James😂
Defenses player of the year Jordan vs No defenses player of the year James
Rookie of the Year Jordan vs Melo should've won that award James 😂
Came back 3-1 vs 73-9 warriors bozo
@@literallyatrashboat8711 You still mad😂
And Bron should have won the DPOY in 2013 what’s your point
@@MrSlashblade My point is, he didn't win it. Now, what's your point
@@jknumber5138 you brought up rookie of the year and say it was Melos ROY that’s my point
I am taking the guy who stopped more HOFers from winning a title than one that allowed everyone to get theirs. Once MJ got into LeFraud's head and created doubt, SWEEP. We have all WITNESSED this on at least 6 occasions.
What’s with calling Lebron all these stupid nicknames. U make us Jordan fans look bad.
I’m taking that guy that was able to make it to the finals in his 4th season with no second all star on his team
@@beena3591 For sure. I can see favoring Jordan over LeBron, but anyone calling a top 3-5 player of all time "LeFraud" is clearly biased, and I just can't imagine hating a GOAT candidate when they're actually playing. It's sad.
@@stopplzs the only reason why he got to the finals was bc of weak compettion. Mj also had a similar run in 1989 but against tough compettion when pippen was a rookie also the roster being bad. His team was even worse then 07 Cavs if u compare their stats
@@beena3591 MJ fanboys have always been insecure about LeBron. It's nothing new.
09 Lebron that man was a beast one of the most underrated mvps
Nothing about bron is underrated
Gtfo. Nobody underrates 2009 LeBron.
It was the best season of Lebron's career in terms of advanced stats
Michael Jordan! Was better then Labron James and Labron James knows that to.
U need to go to bedtime soon little girl because I think you don’t know what ur saying
U CANT EVEN SPELL LEBRON, LIKE JUST SHUTUP, UR 5
@@posiayeni4335 he is atleast telling the truth but yeah LABRON LOL
correction it's Lebronze
@@zinjgreen3398 is that an olympics reference? Why do people act like Lebron getting bronze at 19 is some travesty
Don't forget that they were more physical back during Michael Jordan run for a championship. He earned it the hard way . real competition.
There is no hard way
Stop the madness. It's Jordan no matter how u slice it.
Make a video on the hardest conferences of all time (rank them on each decade)
Great idea or the weakest
Hardest is easily Kobe and Duncan's West. Weakest is LeBron's East and Magic's West
@@DonkeyKong5479 lebrons east had the super celtics and wallaces pistons.Magics west had hakeeems rockets and barkleys suns.They were weaker than their coun terparts but not that weak.
@@shakeeluddin23 Bron only had to face the Pistons with Ben Wallace once. And the Celtics were only relevant for about 4 years.
@@shakeeluddin23 LBJ’s East has to be the weakest conference, from 04-18 the West had more all-NBA players and 50+ win teams than the East.
All-NBA players
East 59
West 147
50+ win teams
East 40
West 77
West in the 80’s was weak but nothing compared to LBJ’s time in the East.
Context is everything when it comes to telling a story and there has yet to be a story like the one of his airness the 🐐
Great video and topic bro.
It'd be cool if the basic stats were aided by more advanced stats.
Also, the Bulls won 55 in 1990, not 57.
When are you coming back to Instagram bro? Been almost a month now.
Great video kiddo
37.4 PER?! That’s crazy as for lebron, great video man
That 2009 and 2010 Cavs team was good. Mo Williams deserved to be an all star for both of those years because he was a great complimentary shooter. The Cavs lost to the Magic mainly because of that Game 1 choke.. smh
Hands down Jordan
10 x scoring Champion, 1st all NBA Defense repeatedly who was feared by his adversaries and automatic in clutch circumstances! Michael is without equal or near equal!
He has a few near equals
Someone else's said this but it's 100% correct...
"LeBron game is respected. MJ's game was feared."
You showed bron numbers and I was like wow thats all time greatness then you showed Jordan and I'm now convinced he wasn't human that 2 way play plus the efficiency its unreal shows his greatness when compared to other greats at their best
@Uncut Hoops
Another thing that people REPEATEDLY fail to look at and mention in these comparisons with MJ, is the impact of the new rules on the individual #s of today's players.
This has given them a SIGNIFICANT ADVANTAGE and plays a HUGE PART, in them being able to even be mentioned in the same sentence as MJ.
Significant advantages, and these players STILL can’t do what MJ did. I swear MJ would easily average 45 a game today.
Did you really just say that the 1990 Bulls were worse then the 09 Cavs? That Cavs team was absolute trash. Jordan had Pippen and a better supporting cast. The only player in the Cavs that was playing at a good level was Moe, as everyone else was well past their prime or just not good in general. Big Z was solid but past his prime, and Ben Wallace was on his way to the retirement home.
Y’all do realize this was Pippen before he was a HOFamer right? Where was this supporting cast at for MJ vs Detroit? They literally would only try to stop MJ and let his team try to win the game, which we saw they couldn’t. They weren’t even favored to win, Cavs were and had HCA and they still lost.
@Zachary Ravel at least Jordan fans aren't casuals that don't know the game like you brontards
One of Lebron biggest weakness is he can not play off the ball he needs the ball almost every time to score and if you pass him the ball to shot it he doesn’t just pull up he has to dribble most of the time to get some type of rhythm his jumper is not pure his fg is high based off layups and dunks
Put MJ on that Cavs team against Orlando in the ECF and it's a different story.
Probably not
Facts!!
@@jermo1213 not at all
No it’s not. It’s prolly the same result
@@jasonmoukala8909 Bro stop hating because you didn't witness the GOAT.
Bruh. There’s literally no way Bron trumps MJ in any discussion. Pointless making these vids now cuz it seems like you’re being bias when you’re simply telling the truth 😂😂
Notification squad wsp
Jordan in clutch time it becomes Jordan time.
This is why numbers don't matter is because they both didn't face the same level of competition. The Lebron James fans like the comparisons when it favors their favorite players, but don't give it a proper comparisons going by how different the game is played now to how physical it was during Michael Jordan era. They don't match up the same. And it is because of this I will never give modern players the non over how difficult the game was back then.
Don't even compare LeBron James to the goat Michael Jordan.... never cuz it's not even close Jordan is and will always be greater by far light years far better
I think Jordan’s the goat but it’s just stupid to say “ don’t even compare the two”
@@romeoramirez4980 it's not stupid at all, compare LeBron to a point forward, because that's what he is...a stat padding playing, his skills is not on the level of the GOAT A SHOOTING GUARD POINT BLANK PERIOD
@@gatesaceaveli5229 If you think it’s not even close at all and that he will always be light years better you’re not right, you’re just extremely biased
@@karanveerdhillon7867 man shut up,I seen both players from the beginning to now, and lebron skills as a player is no where on mj's level at all,he's not even close to kobe skill level at all, all you idiot's do is talk about his overrated assist numbers that, he stat pads and that's it, he's never been the best a shooting the ball, free throws , 3 point percentage,shooting the ball of the floor he's below average, he gets most of his points from layups and dunks... His skill are average and below average, so I'll say it again for you bias lebron stans, he's overrated and been just that, he's playing double the years just so he can get the numbers in rankings, so people can say he's the best, nah never... His rings came from teammates hitting the important shots, his one ring against the warriors was fixed and very noticeable...and that last year ring was trash, he will never be close to a real baller like Michael Jordan was...never ever. 👎🏿
@@gatesaceaveli5229 dumb
Jordan fanboys will say 90 Jordan and LeBron fanboys will say 09 LeBron. That being said, I tried to be as objective as I could in the below. Fair warning if you don't like to read long posts then don't read this, but don't complain that it's a novel as that only proves you have a short attention span.
In season both Jordan and LeBron played 39 minutes a game so per game comparison is fair as a per 36 or per 48 minutes would be the same. I know some like the per possessions thing (per 75 or per 100) but those are team possessions not individual possessions. Teams averaged almost 7 more possessions per 48 minutes in 1990 than they did in 2009. I know it attempts to account for pace, but taking a players' individual numbers and converting them to per team possessions seems flawed to me. I think going by per the time the player himself was out actually there and per his actual usage rate correlates more to the individual.
Now I'm not saying these tell the whole story but these are what the numbers that we have show:
90 Jordan season vs 09 LeBron season per game:
PPG: Jordan +5.2
APG: LeBron +0.9
RPG: LeBron +0.7
SPG: Jordan +1.1
BPG: LeBron +0.5
TOV: Both had 3.0 turnovers, I wold minus whoever had more but equal here.
TS% (incorporates FG + FT + 3PT): +1.5
Overall (difference): Jordan +5.7
Wins: LeBron +10 or +11 (Jordan played 82 and LeBron played 81. I'm not sure if the Cavs won or lost the 1 game Bron missed but even if they won his missed game it would still be +10. LeBron was there for at minimum 65 wins vs Jordan there for all 55).
Both were selected by the coaches as first team all NBA and first team all defense. I don't really care what awards he media writers gave them. This is not a marketing agenda comparison.
90 Jordan playoffs vs 09 LeBron playoffs (Jordan played 42.1 mpg and LeBron played 41.4 mpg, extremely close but to objectively equalize I will do per the higher amount) so per 42.1 mins:
PPG: Jordan +0.8
APG: LeBron +0.6
RPG: LeBron +2.1
SPG: Jordan +1.2
BPG: both at 0.9
TOV: Jordan -0.8
TS%: LeBron +2.6
Overall (difference): LeBron +4.1
Wins: Both had 10 wins. LeBron won 2 in the conference finals, while Jordan won 3 in the conf finals, but Jordan only had to win 3 to get passed the first round vs 4 for LeBron in the same. So the losses will break the tie. Jordan lost 6, and LeBron lost 2. So LeBron 10-4 > Jordan 10-6. Conclusion: LeBron +0.8 in wins to losses ratio.
So stats for the year goes:
Jordan +1.6 season and playoff combined (Jordan 5.7 minus LeBron 4.1).
LeBron had more total wins and less loses. LeBron +10 wins season and playoff combined, and less losses 20 to Jordan's 33. Overall 75-20 vs 65-33. LeBron +1.9 in wins to losses ratio.
An extremely close comparison. So considering that Jordan had a better best teammate (Pippen) than LeBron did (Mo Williams) and Jordan had the better coach (Jackson > Brown). I have to give LeBron an edge because he lead his team to win more and lost less with worse support, and the stat gap is not large enough to push Jordan ahead. As far as competition goes I would need to see that LeBron had it easier vs his position matchups and vs opposing teams to move Jordan ahead. Jordan's team had the hardest foe for 1 series with the Bad Boys, but overall for that year I'm not seeing it as being harder for Jordan. Though I'm open to someone making a case for it.
I guess you could argue Jordan had more "skills" but those skills did not translate into more wins and the individual stats only a very small edge for him. "killer will" you can't prove this and we don't know what they really felt in their own mind. We only saw the emotions they displayed outwardly which don't prove who was better anyway.
That apostrophe goes on the other side. Rn it says 90 minutes v 09 minutes. The correct way is ‘90 vs ‘09
7:21 got me hyped 😂
Bill vs wilt at their peak or make a video on why Bills individual accolades are underrated
I would honestly give wilt the edge he led his teams to way more wins than Bill Russell would have if he had wilts roster and wilt was snubbed from multiple MVPS due to the fact he was seen as the bad guy as back then the players were the ones voting for mvps, defensively both wily and Russell are arguably the best defenders of all time with Bill Russell averaged 7.7 blocks and 4 steals in all recorded block games and wilt chamberlain averaging 8.8 blocks and 4 steals but it's pretty clear wilt is the better shot blocker and of course offensively wilt is much better and is a better volume scorer than Bill Russell and wilt just has a more advanced skill set with the mid range jumper, post fade and the various dipper moves. Of course Bill Russell did have the better roster and got the better of wilt everytime they played as Bill Russell would keep wilts scoring 14 points below what he usually put up as Bill Russell again is one of the greatest if not the greatest defender in NBA history depending on how u see it.
Because he had 8 other superstars in his team lol.
@@Poloskii bill has the highest Defensive win shares of all time though.But I see your pint
This is so close such a good video, but I’m gonna have to go Jordan. I wouldn’t blame anyone for saying Bron though. Those Pistons were just insane and MJ had the better final minutes stats
I respect your opinion but I will go with bron. I think the help part of this video was biased because he used the team numbers with the players included which means if someone is having a good season makes the rest of their team looks better while they are the one carrying. It was close though.
We already know you gonna pick Jordan we just watching the video
8:23 Was lebron trying to flop for a foul 🤔🤔😂😂😂
i wish i had a chance to watch mj games. I was born too late haha. But damn averaging 30pts per game in 90s is incredible. Nowadays look at harden kd lebron. Noone is averaging 30pts per game for their whole career.
If Harden , Kobe , KD , LeBron or Curry played in that m2m expansion era being guarded by Jeff Hornacek, Craig Ehlo , Dan Majerle , John Starks and other mall cops they would avg 55 ppg for their career
@@monclercoat7814 you don’t know basketball.
@@verbalkint3447 true , I don’t think Harden , KD or LeBron could score on Jeff Hornacek , Craig Ehlo , John Starks , Dan Majerle or any of the other all time best defenders 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@monclercoat7814 you're a complete casual that knows nothing about basketball, they would average way less if they were to play then
@@jakedooley5300 true Craig Ehlo , Jeff Hornacek, John Starks and Dan Majerle are holding KD , Kobe and Harden to 20 ppg
But who would win in a 7 game series between these two. 09’ cavs vs. 90’s bulls
Jordan and Pippen would be too much. Jordan 2.8 steals per game, Scottie 2.6 steals per game. Scottie could actually slow LeBron down a little. The only reason that Bulls team missed the finals by one game is because they faced an isiah thomas, joe dumars, dennis rodman and bill laimbeer that were hell bent on injuring Jordan
@@bah-nah
Pippen didn't played in game 7, he had migraine.
Iirc he played just 4 minutes.
The Bulls would destroy the Cavs, that Cavs team played well together in the regular season but they weren’t built for the playoffs high is why they got exploited by the Magic in the playoffs. The Bulls had an actual team that had an offensive setup outside of giving the ball to their star all game long and would have locked up the Cavs easily
@@karanveerdhillon7867 yeah, I agree
Bruh this the only time that u bring up competition but always fail to bring up the finals competition cuz Uk damn well it’s a no contest😂💯 but ima mind my business
LeBron faced better finals competition and anyone who denies that is lying to themselves
@@antichaos facts! It’s not even close if I combine all their opponents
Just the title, lmao. Why is this a question?
First of all it's not about MJ vs Lebron, the question is, who is runner up Kobe or Lebron?
Let me answer that for you, KOBE.
@@karanveerdhillon7867 If you think Lebron, who's career is in the pussy era, is better than Kobe ou just be on some top notch maximum security weed.
MJ all day
When that ECF series vs Detroit in 90 went to game 7 that was the scottie ‘migraine game’ when he went 1-10 with 2pts,and the bulls lost.Detroit went on to gentlemanly sweep the Blazers in the finals a week later.
Besides his rookie year,MJ only lost in the playoffs to teams that either went to the finals or went to the finals and won it.
Both can score at will but there are many factors in defense that leads to winning which is invisible to stats sheets like hustle and intimidating presence it's up to you who has the edge in your opinion
I'm not a big Lebron fan but 2009 Lebron was a beast. That Orlando series he balled out but fell into Orlando's trap which was to make sure Lebron got his numbers while his teammates didn't.
But kobe Bryant got the ring in the end 2009
I'll take a prime Jordan over LeBron any day with his killer mentally and determination and mental toughness to win against anyone but if I were to assemble a team of superstars I would have Jordan and Lebron on the same team
Just because LeBron’s team was rated higher doesn’t mean LeBron had more help....
Would you please post your videos in 1080p? Because whatever you post isn't 1080p....it isn't even 720p. Otherwise, very engaging content
This video is a joke you down play lebrons teammates and omit reasons why he lost but you play up jordans teammates as time greats and none were(pippen was a first time all star) but you dismissed lebron having an all star and a former all star you also said lebron had a better regular season but jordans numbers were better and his competition was better in reality lebron should never be compared to jordan
He normally chooses Jordan in the similar videos so I think he was trying to make it a bit closer than it normally is
Chill Bro.
Brons teammates were trash af
@@jasonmoukala8909 MJ would've dominated Orlando. BRON didn't show up in a few 4ths..
@@jermo1213 stop talking basketball.
I actually chose Lebron for this one and I’m a Jordan fan
love seeing a non biased jordan fan
Only because of 66-16 and the MVP award.
All the advanced stats like WS, BPM, and VORP do is tell you how bad Lebron's teammates were in 2009. Also, the East was miserably weak in 09 with only 5 of 15 teams having a better than .500 record compared to 8 of 13 in 1990.
*oh you mentioned the conference strength. Nvmd
The east was better than the west in 09.
@@gggyy7104 Not at the top of the divisions. Under 30 win teams are guaranteed wins for the top couple seeds. The only competitor truly effective the top seeds are other top serfs. And the top 8 seeds in the West in 09 were better than the top 8 in the East.
@@Youngster543210 I guess but overall the east won more games than the west in 09. Plus in inter conference games the east won more.
90 Jordan
LeBron by his 4th season led his team to the Finals. It took Jordan 7 seasons to reach the finals. LeBron was ready to win. Like Bird and Ervin Johnson were ready to win early. Jordan needed to learn how to use is team.
But he didn’t win in his 4th year, he got swept.
@@JamesDeBall better than Jordan losing in the first round
@@peat381low8 you said he was ready to win...
@@JamesDeBall you don’t reach the finals without winning. Unlike Jordan’s first four seasons
@@peat381low8 do you see how you’re jumping from point to point and moving the goalposts to support your argument in each of your posts? YOU were the one who said LeBron was ready to win right away but he didn’t win until year 7.
Jordan with ease. Lebron plays in the cupcake era so just imagine Jordan in this era. He’d easily average 45
No he would not average 45 typical and delusional nostalgic old head jordan jocker
cupcake era my ass, your boy was protected like fine china since 1991
Stop doing jordan vs bron we all know the result at the end do some other players
jordan is the goat but in this video I'll go with lebron he had the better season in my opinion....but jordan is the goat did I mention that?
It’s funny how bias you are no way 09 bron isnt better than 90 jordan accolades should be enough
Lebron is wildly overrated
Not according to this video, lebron is one of a kind generational talent top 3 player of all time can't be wildly overrated only to haters he is, I noticed some people don't like lebron because he talks about social justice and rights for people, can't take whatever he did on the court
If you think the 2nd greatest player ever is overrated then whatever
@@eazymoneymane7789 nope. He’s a 1 dimensional scorer who doesn’t play defense
@@karanveerdhillon7867 he’s not even top 10 bro
@@tperfect7241 😂Ok kid you can stop trolling now or just go back to twitter
Can you do Kevin Durant vs Larry Bird
Advanced stats are a joke when the rules are so different to allow someone to not get touched or hand checked to the basket like the 90’s. Look at the average teams scoring on 90’s compared to 2009. When jordan averages 2.8 steals and 1 block as a guard compared to Lebron 1.6 steals? That is almost 50% more steals. No comparison.
Their isn’t an objective case you can make for lebron being better than Jordan. None
Stop underrating brons teammates. He had the correct help to satisfy his play style and they maximized their potential. Most overrated player of all time
But the talent lebron teamates had were plumbers talent like they were that bad
@@izuokoko1896 LeBron has played with *seven different All Stars* for his career so far. 2 of them were the Top 3 player in the league at the time while out of the remaining 5, 3 were Top 10 in the league at the time (Ilgauskas and Mo Williams sucked)
*LeBron*
2X Top 3 players
3X Top 10 players
2X Top 20 players
thats a LOT of help to win rings
Jordan? *he played with only ONE All Star for his ENTIRE CAREER*
*Jordan*
1X Top 20 player (Pippen was never a Top 10 player in the league while playing with Jordan, there was too much talent at the time in the NBA)
so who had more help again?
@@youboob6297 Shutup Jordan played with not 1 all star he played with 2 and u act like they weren’t doing better in some playoffs games than Jordan and u act like they weren’t the best defenders in the leauge.
Scottie and Dennis rodman
@@youboob6297 How many of those stars were in their prime or even worth a damn when they played with bron. Cuz that’s only wade, bosh, Kyrie, rondo and Dwight. Pippen and and Rodman are all time defenders
@@jasonmoukala8909 i said
"DWade and Anthony Davis were the Top 3 best player in the league at the time they were LeBrons team mates. Kevin Love, Chris Bosh, and Kyrie Irving were among the Top Ten players in the league at the time when they were LeBrons team mates" how can they be old or past thier prime when they were all Top Ten players as LeBrons team mates
Pippen? i can name 12 guys who were better than Pippen during Bulls run. one of them is Clyde Drexler. have you ever heard of Hakeem Olajuwon? how about two guys who were far and away better than Pippen *on the SAME team* - Penny Hardaway and Shaq. Bulls would have traded Pippen and a bunchload of draft picks for either one but it was impossible because Orlando would never do it. are you saying Pippen is better than Isiah Thomas? Pippen is not even better than Dominique. or Barkley. or Malone. or Payton. but hes equal to Shawn Kemp who the Bulls almost straight up traded for. would Bulls have gotten Payton straight up for Pippen? no. the Bulls would have to add bench players like a 3 point shooter Kerr or Hodges and draft picks to get him. have you heard of Ewing? David Robinson? Dikembe? you are dreaming if you think Pippen is better than any of them. just how "valuable" is Pippen when for 2 Bulls championship runs he didnt play well enough all season to make the All Star team. you would THINK a Top Ten player would at least be an All Star like DWade, Bosh, Love, Irving, and Anthony Davis were when they played with LeBron. yet you insist they were useless and over the hill
do you want to know the epitome of over the hill? *Rodman* a 37 year old Rodman who never made the All Star team all 3 years and was gotten on the cheap for a backup center. did you THINK it was a 22 year old Bad Boys Rodman who played with the Bulls instead of an over the hill 37 year old Rodman? i dont know. maybe you believe in time machines and Rodman teleported into the future to help the Bulls. by 1998 Rodman was so disinterested in playing basketball Phil had to bench him for part of the season and start Kukoc (who also NEVER made All Star team his ENTIRE career) do you think these two are a lot of help? Rodman averaged a whopping 8 rebounds per game in 1998. not much help
give Jordan all the help LeBron has had throughout his career and its guaranteed Jordan ends up with 10 rings. if he can win 6 rings with only one other All Star on his team, he will win more than 6 with 7 All Stars
give LeBron only Pippen for his entire career he winds up with zero rings. who us going to take the last shot. they are both not clutch and mentally weak when the game is on the line
its funny how you try to say LeBrons team mates were old and past thier prime while not mention they were Top 10 players in the league
and in the next sentence try to say a washed up Rodman and unreliable Pippen were superstars in thier prime
you DO know 1998 Bulls are STILL "the OLDEST NBA team to ever win a championship", right. they made Dirks 2011 team look like spring chickens
They weren’t the same age lebron was 24 and Jordan was 27
You can’t compare these guys. It’s all fantasy. They are the best players of their era. Can’t that be enough.
well actually when you think about best of eras jordan never lost in the 90s except for when he was retired or came back from baseball, other players won in lebrons era. still Mj 1 lebron 2 for me tho
@@seanjuice9495 it’s all speculation. The game has changed so much. They never got to play each other. I prefer Jordan, but that’s just a personal preference.
Knowing u , I know u got 90 Jordan
Just like you got Lebron