Days of Future Past: The Last Great X-Men Movie
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 พ.ค. 2024
- X-Men:Days of Future Past is still the last great X-Men movie ten years later. It completed the origins of Magneto and Xavier, gave the original cast their biggest challenge ever, and wrapped up both timelines with a happy ending. The X-Men sequels struggled to top it, and now the Foxverse is being ported to the MCU'S Secret Wars storyline! I look back on all the highs from the 2014 sentinel apocalypse!
X-Men. 2000.
X-Men 2. 2003
X-Men: The Last Stand. 2006.
X-Men Origins: Wolverine. 2009.
X-Men: First Class. 2011.
The Wolverine. 2013.
X-Men: Days of Future Past. 2014.
Deadpool. 2016.
X-Men: Apocalypse. 2016.
Logan. 2017.
Deadpool 2. 2018.
X-Men: Dark Phoenix. 2019.
The New Mutants. 2020.
Wandavision. 2021.
Doctor Strange In The Multiverse of Madness. 2022.
The Marvels. 2023.
Deadpool and Wolverine. 2024.
Avengers: The Kang Dynasty. 2026.
Avengers: Secret Wars. 2027.
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This franchise should’ve ended here tbh.
What about Logan?
Completely agreed
@Doubz I find Logan to be a good but bitter sweet ending.
@@Doubz Logan’s a great film, but I’m gonna be completely honest, if it meant losing Apocalypse, Dark Phoenix etc. I think I could survive the loss.
Apocalypse was a good film, not great.
"I don't want your FEW-CHA" - Charles Xavier
You poor ... poor man
Charles Egg-shavier
"Sir, we don't serve few-cha, would you like to order something else?"
I just remember when that first image of Stewart and McAvoy appeared. The hype was unreal.
Yeah! Insane. Good times
I’ll never forget seeing the posters for the first time, the X with half of each of their faces. Sooooooo good.
It’s one of the best superhero movies ever. McAvoy’s Young Charles meeting Patrick Stewart’s Professor X is one of my favorite scenes in a comic book movie ever. Not to mention Fassbender becoming a young Ian Mckellen.
And the fact that it was McAvoy's first day on set and he knocked it out of the park.
Agreed, its such a good movie.
It's funny that this video came out as I'm marathoning all the X-Men films. I literally just finished First Class less than 10 minutes ago.
Perfect timing!
@@FullFatVideos First Class was just as amazing as you said it was and I'm mad at myself for never watching.
Same!
@@jakob1658 Now I'm watching Apocalypse lol
I actually watched most of the X-Men films for the first time just before this video released! (During the last couple months)
In my head canon, Mystique’s genes started the Sentinels on the path to adaptability but Rogue’s genes completed it
I prefer that to be ambiguous
X-Men DOFP is still one of the greatest time travel movies ever made. Yeah, I'm talking to you, Interstellar and Back To The Future.
And another good time travel movie came out that same summer 😊
But there's no time travel in Interstellar.....
@@NobleRaider2747 I mean, the Matthew McConaughey character visits his daughter in the past through a wormhole, which is kinda time travel...
back to the future is way more fun lol
By modifying the past wolverines kill everyone in the old timeline so this plan don't make sense.
Honestly on the topic of Bobby and Kitty’s relationship being erased, it directly addresses Bishop’s concerns and shows that it’s not all perfect and that changing the future inevitably leads to a ripple effect
One of the best comic books movies ever, I remember having endgame/infinity war level hype for this film and it delivered. Too bad this level of quality didn’t stay intact under Fox
This movie has been forgotten, but even as someone who isn’t a huge X-Men fan, I’d say this is one of the best live-action superhero movies. It up there with Winter Soldier, Guardians, Endgame, TDK and all the other greats.
Guardians is overrated imo. Forgettable trash 🚮
Whenever I do an x-men binge I tend to stop at days of future past because it really was the best finale the x-men ever got. Logan is a masterpiece, but it’s to depressing for my liking. I prefer DOFP to Endgame: better cinematography, very memorable action, it did time travel better, and is definitely better paced than endgame. It also does humour more naturally; not relying on 2019 humour. Days of future past is masterpiece within the superhero genre that still holds up.
It's pretty much endgame but good lol
Fucking great comment, Samuel
Oh yeah DOFP>Endgame easy. You could really feel the “race against time” while watching it in theatres!
If they didn't do the Stryker/Mystique thing at the end..... and maybe showed Prof X re opening his school and a few young versions of Scott Jean and Ororo attending i think this movie could have worked perfectly as a ending to the franchise
"you're on acid" best improvised line moment lol
That was improvised?!?
@@_davidboxing improvised by the character! Sorry I tried to write it so that it was verbally correct but idk how to specify.. it was the character improvising not the actor
I love the X-Men universe because of the lack of continuity. Each installment is just another X-Men story, they usually look the same so you can immediately know who's who but the rest doesn't matter, just go with it
Nifty way of looking at it. Kewl
My favorite of ALL The X-men team movies. Logan is my favorite overall, but this is such an AWESOME movie!
This Movie is Top Tier Script, writing, acting and Action!!! The final act is so Epic
100%
I cant believe its been 10 years already. This is my favorite of the franchise and I still have the poster from the theater.
For my friends and I who grew up on the original movies, this was in many ways an Avengers level event and it did not disappoint. While I was initially reluctant to see Logan as the avatar for this story, in retrospect it’s the most practical option. This felt like a fitting conclusion to the movies while a set up for exciting new possibilities. Unfortunately the later didn’t happen.
Bryan Singer should've left the franchise after this one
He literally gave everything he had to make this movie what it is
So it was a lot harder for him to outdo himself again with Apocalypse
well he never respected the source material. they always considered it a joke. that was his problem.
@dinmavric5504 so
Tim Burton wasn't a big fan of Batman yet made his works beautiful on screen
I just rewatched Apocalypse...the biggest problem for me is him being 5,6 and the fact that only Quicksilver is likeable..other than him ..there's 0 charisma
Lol so instead he decided to make apocalypse terrible 🤣 I get what you're saying, the mistake with apocalypse is that it should have been a smaller scale movie, origin story for the original jean, cyclops, storm, and not this world ending threat. they should have gone down a route like first class, just gave us an amazing villian and smaller story. apocalypse shouldn't have been the first villian jean/cyclops faced
@@dinmavric5504 Actually he did. In fact, he did an extensive research on the comics and the 90's cartoon in preparation. And before you say he forbade the cast from reading the source material, almost every director does that in order to stick with one vision.
My favourite X-Men movie and one of my favourite super hero movies of all time. It's better than a lot of MCU movies.
100%
Honestly, I think it’s better than all of them, at the very least better than all but maybe GotG and Infinity War. But that’s my opinion 🤷
@@andrewheaney4874come on, better than ALL of them is a massive stretch
Avengers 1, winter soldier and civil war for example
@@RyomenAyeni225 the only one of those three you mentioned that I’d say rivals DoFP (as well as Logan and First Class) might be Winter Soldier, otherwise I disagree.
Sorry, but other than Secret Invasion, Civil War is the worst writing in the MCU. The whole plot, EVERYTHING, hinges on the convenient placement of two cameras. And the premise a man, an assassin everyone took for a ghost for decades, would bomb the UN and walk away, pulling off his mask in public? Widow should have tumbled to that immediately.
Gawd, that’s stupid.
Loving the Lego X-Jet in the backdrop!
I don't think Xavier's cure turns off his powers, I think it instead reroutes it. He still has his powers, but now he's concentrating it 100% on his legs.
but his power isn't telekinesis or healing, how would he move his own legs with telepathy?
Nah that doesn’t make sense
@@FullFatVideos I don’t agree with the theory, but if I wanted to make a massive head-canon stretch, since his powers objectively target the nervous system*, he could possibly target a peripheral part of the nervous system without it acting on the brain
If the treatment prompted some sort of neurotrophic factor in the body- hence it being DNA related- it could have allowed his telepathy to “jump the gap” where the spinal cord was damaged
* My theory that his powers can actually target specific portions of the nervous system is bolstered by the way his misfiring abilities work in Logan
The guys who get “frozen” (cerebellum) by the seizing professor are clearly still conscious & able to use their eyes (arguably frontal lobe and cranial nerves II, IV and VI), making it ‘canon’ to the universe that his powers can exert on different parts of the brain itself, not necessarily the “mind” as a separate Cartesian construct; why not the nerves of the body?
This is the only movie that came close to capturing the feel and potential of the comics.
Hour long Full Fat video was well worth the wait.
It’s taken a lot of copyright blocks to get this one out!!!
There are only 3 good scenes in X-Men Apocalypse
1. Quicksilver running through the exploding X mansion saving everybody with super speed
2. Wolverine escaping in the weapon x helmet going berserker rage and killing all the soldiers
3. The X-Men training in the danger room in near comic book accurate costumes about to fight the Sentinels from Days of Future past
If Deadpool and Logan don't count, then yeah, I think so. Although I do enjoy Apocalypse for all its cheese.
I really love DOFP for a lot of reasons, but I think my favorite aspects are Logan saying he wasn't the right man, which leads to Xavier conversation with himself, and the final act of the movie.
All the dread of the future, the weight placed on the past, Magneto's speech, the juxtaposition with that and him and Xavier reconciling, Logan helpless in the water, Xavier's trust in Mystique, her choice. Sorry for all that but I really love this film.
Also, happy Friday!
Also, also can't stress enough how inspiring Xavier's words are during that conversation. It always resonates with me.
He did say that he meant this was the last great X-Men team movie and not standalone characters
@@Loggodover Yeah, but he didn't include that in the title did he?
Plus, Deadpool 2 could arguably be considered a team movie still. Kind of like how Civil War is often labeled as Avengers 2.5, despite being a Captain America movie
Logan is better, and I’d argue First Class, but Deadpool? Nah, that’s not better than DoFP. Not in my opinion at least. Deadpool 1+2 are good but not THAT good in my opinion.
I do agree with you on Apocalypse though; it may not be “good” in my opinion, but I’ll take it any day over a “bad” MCU movie like Thor 1+2+4, Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, Quantumania, Captain Marvel, etc. and I feel the same about Origins Wolverine.
Also obviously agree with you on the rest of the comment.
@@andrewheaney4874 There's no way you legit compared the first Thor to Origins or Apocalypse. Like it isn't a good movie, but it's not *that* bad. It's just kinda...bland. Apocalypse and Origins both blatantly go out of their way to insult the source material. Origins moreso, for obvious reasons
A full length feature film level full fat videos event?! It is a great Friday indeed friends!
:D
Fassbender as Magneto has the best performance of any superhero film.
I think Logan and Storm being together in the future is a reference to an episode of the animated series about time traveling to save Xavier in the 60s
Xavier’s arc in this movie solidified him as one of my favorite x men characters. Mcavoy and Fassbender are my GOATS
I think if they had done a film between first class and this one with the younger versions it would have been better. A proper xmen team up there are parts of apocalypse and Phoenix I loved (the scenes of them at the mansion are always a win) seeing the younger members grabbling becoming adults, school, fitting in along side a big bad villain would have been great like Spider-Man 2. My favourite superhero film and one of my favourite films of all time, Peter juggling uni, job, relationship and being a hero is what I love.
Then we get this film as a send off, ending all the story lines. Maybe they could do a live action series set in the mansion like a coming of age sit com/ the worst witch meets Harry Potter style.
I recently re-watched this and it is absolutely SOLID.
You know, there are a few superhero movies movies I've watched in the last decade, but even without being the biggest X-Men fan, DOFP might be the best superhero blockbuster ever.
This movie is actually my favorite X-men movie. I understand how first class and Deadpool get all the love but there’s just something about the way everything ties into each other at the end that gets me every time. Plus it was the perfect send off for the fox X-men if you ask me
I wish there were more scenes taking place in the future where the mutants fight for their survival
The future scenes were far more interesting than the scenes in the past
yeh, the movie wasn't all that. apart from a few standout scenes, the whole plot was just too simple. they rushed through the future stuff just to get to the past, whereas they should have spent more time there and established the future properly without rushing into the plot. it made the future scenes seem un-realistic. why not show a montage of the sentinals fighting over the years and kitty pryde gaining her time-travel powers.
You get more future stuff in the Rogue cut I always did like the future setting more too because it felt like a straight up X-Men 4
X-men days of future is by far the best X-men movie especially over First Clssd. This would’ve been a great ending to the X-men films at a whole and they should’ve gave the right back to Marvel
I feel the reason Wolverine didn’t put up more of a fight against magneto in the past, or even any of the battles in the past is the whole ‘keep peaceful thoughts’ part. If he gets to riled up he’ll risk ruining the future even more then it already is
I consider Days of Future Past, Infinity War, and ZSJL the best hero team movies in their respective franchises. And I think Days of Future Past is one of the best and most underrated superhero films of all time
Couldn't disagree with you more. Logan, Winter Soldier and The Suicide Squad are much better...but Future Past and infinity war are great films too :)
I just watched it and yeah this could be the one of the best superhero movies ever, I'm on a rewatch marathon of X-men for deadpool 3.
This first class and X2 are the pinnacle of the franchise for me
I remember watching this all those years ago and being really excited for the future of the xmen. Finally, mcu now has some real competition ! ............Then apocalypse happened...........
Really stoked to see you back to long form hour episodes. Missed this milk!
Thank you mate! More to come
No matter how many times I watch that Time In A Bottle scene, I swear I find new details everytime.
It makes me sad to learn that Days of Future Past was supposed to be the last of a trilogy. After First Class I was excited to see more sixties hijinks with this new team of young X-Men. I like Days of Future Past but it felt preemptive to kill off the First Class team and bring back the original cast, I felt we needed more time to breathe in that sixties world.
X-MEN: Days of Future Past (2014) is a brilliantly created and executed Superhero Movie !
The Sentinels of the future in this movie are actually based on Nimrod. You can tell that not only by the ability but their faces.
Been loving the xmen content lately 🙏🏽. Ive loved the fox xmen movies since childhood
Ive always loved the idea of wolverine and storm getting together in X-Men stories seeing that deleted scene for X-Men days of future past makes me wish it was actually in the film man
Honestly I kind of do wish we got a direct sequel to First Class instead of DofP like how Mathew Vaughn suggested, cause as good as it is, it does throw out so much of First Class’ stuff.
Thank you Full Fat Videos ! Even more hyped for Deadpool & Wolverine now! Currently watching the most Goated marvel show (late 2010s) in my opinion, Avengers: Earth’s mightiest heroes. Spectacular Spider-Man was brilliant too
53:29 it's confirmed by the director Logan Is Canon it's takes place post day of future past and is not a what if. Just unfortunately bad stuff still happens. That's ultimately the xmen for you it's a constant struggle and a Neverending battle
I recognise he said that but the dates don't match up with new mutants being born. And the deleted scene clearly references the old timeline
@FullFatVideos I'm not sure if this is controversial, but I kinda like Logan being the xmen films true final. Yes it's sad but it's not 100% bleak either.
So in this case I'll take the director word on this one.
I understand your views have taken a hit, & it's hard to strike upon good topics - but *this* is a good topic, a good take, in line with your best work
Thank you!!!
This was a really great retrospective on my favorite X-Men movie. One of the best theaters experiences I've had in my life despite having a sore throat that day lol. That quicksilver scene blew my mind as a teenager. Never seen anything like it before (except in Over the Hedge but not with this production)
Great video mate!
Thanks a lot!
RIP Adan Canto 😢
I was so excited when he was cast as a Sunspot and then they showed him in like one scene.
This movie is definitely a top 5 marvel hero movie including the MCU
If x-men films can be classed with MCU films, Tobey spider films etc… they easily penatrate the top 10 with a few films.
I think x-men maybe my favourite sun genre of marvel.
This is why I HOPE TO GOD the MCU can do justice to the x-men in the live action debuts. X-men 97 has given me hope, please don’t let it be squandered.
X2, First Class, Days of Future Past and Logan totally puts the Fox X-Men movies in league with Raimis Spiderman movies and the MCU. Lets not forget that their Age of Ultron adaptation is a complete joke next to the original comic.
If they stick with X-Men ‘97’s sincerity and somber tone topped with a little cheese, rather than going back to winky quips, maybe… Leave the MCU style humour to Deadpool. The X-Men protect those who hate them, when they can destroy humanity so easily - it’s an amazing premise and a mirror of human flaws. Singer’s grounded approach worked for a reason.
Jokes like "I have famously huge turds" brings the MCU down a few notches if you ask me
@@mhawang8204 That's fine. No one is asking you to love one X-Men over another
I always thought it was odd that Kitty had this ability. The comics had a powerful telepath (Rachel Summers) doing this. Wouldn't it have been cool to have a Rachel Summers do this. Maybe a child clone of Jean (an attempt by the mutants to bring a mutant as powerful as he back to combat the sentles). That would have tension and weight as Logan grabbed with the young Jean clone prompting him on.
Fantastic video!
Glad you liked it!
In the Rogue cut it made it seem like the Sentinals needed both Rogue’s and Mystic’s powers to work. Mystic can only replicate appearance of physical powers which are actually her skin. So their forms are never even half as powerful. But if you mix both Rogue and Mystic, well then you got yourself a nice little Sundae that can do literally anything.
In regards to the aging thing. It's a common misconception that because the first X-MEN movie came out in the year 2000 that it must also take place in 2000, but it actually takes place "In the not to distant future." Whatever that means, 10 years, 20, who knows, but it adds time to the gap between the OG cast and their younger counterparts. The events of the original trilogy only span about a few months as well, from Liberty Island to Alcatraz Island.
I love how X-Men: Days of Future Past didn't end with an epic breathtaking CGI battle, it ended with a reformed broken man having faith with his conflicted childhood friend.
Charles could've literally shut Raven's mind down, or control her mind & existence, or even make Bolivar Trask not even associated with the whole situation, but he chose to have faith & trust the person he knew the most & grew up with. To be honest, most of comicbook characters are way better written than their cinematic-adapted versions, but Charles Xavier is an excemption, he's easily a better written character than who he was in the comics. Call me insane but I really don't like the concept of time travel in films, but this film made the concept of time travel a little more intriguing, this movie might even be one of my few favorite time travel movies. I really love how Charles isn't some noble leader in this movie, he's just a really supportive conflicted man. Don't even get me started on the scene where Professor X from the present is having a talk with Charles Xavier from the past, that scene was an emotional jaw dropping moment. I'm aware that this comment is basically more of a cinematic Charles Xavier appreciation more than exploring how great X-Men: Days of Future Past was, but he (other than Magneto) is truly the reason & magic on why this & X-Men: First Class are great movies in my opinion. They're easily my favorite comicbook movies of all time.
All that is said, underrated movie & Charles is extremely underrated as well.
"All you've done so far, is save the lives of these men. We can show them a better path. I've been trying to control you ever since the day we met, and now look what has gotten into us. Everything that happens now, is in your hands. I have faith, in you, Raven..."
- Charles Xavier
I personally give this movie major props for coming up with the most threatening Interpretations of the Sentinels ever made and i even say they surpass the original Comic Book interpretations. The idea or having their abilities tied to the Adadptive Nature of Mystique's Shapeshifting Abilities and making it a counter to Mutant Abilities truly made them unbeatable.
This video and that movie: masterpieces
Thank you!!!
I saw DOFP like 5 times at the movies when it came out it’s one of my favorite movies ever and people rarely ever mention it when they talk about the good Fox movies DOFP was definitely the closest Fox ever came to having their own Avengers level movie I don’t even consider this movie a prequel to me it’s just straight up X-Men 4
You can honestly go from DoFP to Logan. Logan being a sort of rebuttal to the hopeful future promised by the end of DoFP (yet still more hopeful than the last one)
I'm still mad that they took this off Disney+ Such a good movie imo!
Wait what?! You can’t watch days on there?
@@FullFatVideos Unfortunately not, I can't find it anywhere on there.
I rewatched all the X-men movies recently. First class and days of future past were basically the crème de la creme. Apocalypse had potential but it got a bit silly.
In my opinion the best X-men films are the best because of James Mcavoy, Michael Fassbender and Nicholas Hoult. I think Hugh Jackman appearing as Wolverine is an essential piece, but he doesn’t actually carry the film imo, but of course he’s a pillar of why the film stands up.
The one critique I could make of Days of Future Past is that there’s a problem with Raven’s DNA being the key to the adaptability of the Sentinels. It would have made much more sense if it was rogue rather than Mystique, because Ravens ability is purely a facade, she doesn’t gain the powers of those ahead of those she imitates. If they would have swapped out rogue for Mystique it would have made a lot more sense, except for the fact that they would have had to change the time period and basically everything about the past part of the story.
This movie was so good. I don’t know how it fell so hard afterwards, it’s like current Marvel
Literally rewatched this film last night, crazy how the universe works
Theatrical or Rogue cut?
@@FullFatVideos Rogue cut for sure
Excellent video for an incredible movie
Thanks!
Days Of Future Past ( Rogue Cut ) is easily one of the greatest ever comic book movies along with LOGAN! Only MCU movies in same league are Winter Soldier, GOTG, Infinity War/Endgame and probably Ragnarok and Spidey-No Way Home!! Winter Soldier is still the best MCU movie!!
I haven't seen this film in a long time...gonna have to change that.
Also, what's your opinion on The Wolverine?
It’s crazy how I used to think that this movie could’ve started the X-men series with an Fresh start with great cast of actors/character’s, better writing and a journey that would’ve essentially gone down a different path with the X-men for a new timeline. Excitement went down overtime sadly, but this movie I always come back to
For me x men days of the future past is my favorite superhero movie. I love it so much and i think its very underrated!
Fully agree. I'd also argue that First Class was better than any of the X-Men films before it, which includes X2. Fassbender just steals every scene he's in, and I would have loved a Magneto film starring him (prior to him joining the X-Men). Been sick of the "MCU" for a while now, but I am very much looking forward to Deadpool & Wolverine. Primarily because it won't feel like an MCU film at all.
The things I’d give or give up to be able to experience Matthew Vaughs First Class trilogy with the sequel introducing Tom Hardys Wolverine and Jean & Scott and then his DOFP. I’d even be happy with a script
I haven’t rewatched this film in soo long but I love this film, this first class and Logan was such a great stretch of films
I always looked at Logan in this movie as having fully regained his memories. It adds to the situation that he was always the member who had memory issues, so for him to come back to the new timeline and have full memories of the old time line and non of the new are poetic.
I went to watch it when it came out 10 years ago, to this day, this is still the best live action superhero movie i have ever seen.
Nice video, well done.
Thank you very much!
I always loved the lighting in this film one of my favorites
Probably my only criticism is the future is very stuck in one place physically, which may be intentional metaphorically, but it’s like having Han Solo stuck at the door of the Death Star shield generator for 45 mins.
Technically quick silver and scarlet witch fall under shared jurisdiction so they agreed to split. Marvel took scarlet witch and let fox keep quick silver
Yeah, we can ignore everything else after this movie. Except the last moments of Dark Phoenix where Eric and Charles moved in together.
back then i was a omega level X-Fan before the 2000s and i think i've seen all the foxmen movies out of curiosity but cant remember any of them. hopefully if they make more they will add some of the X-Men in it.
When asked what four movies would be on my Mount Rushmore of superhero movies, I say Batman Begins and "see 2014."
X-Men: DoFP has always been the definitive X-Men movie experience for me. Something about it always took me back to the 90s show. Btw the future sentinels apparently were inspired more by Nimrod from the comics
That Whiplash edit was a great one 👌
Thanks 😁
Bro the vocal fry at the end of every sentence is killing me
Man how I learned of x Men days of future past was from amazing spider man 2 post credit scene and that was a awesome post credit scene
I remember my friend and I saw TASM2 and saw the DOFP teaser at the end my friend was saying it was cause they were going to do a Spider-Man and X-Men crossover pretty hilarious that he thought that looking back on it now
@@loganwithlightsabers3051 yeah true and that crossover would be awesome
I only wish days of future past would have been two parts. The first part really showing is more of the bleak apocalyptic future. And the the 2nd part being what we got with Wolverine going back in time.
I think that this is my personal favorite film of the series, but I'm curious what everyone thinks of the theatrical version versus the Rogue cut.
The consensus is that The Rouge Cut is the definitive version, but I understand why they cut it out. The editing and writing is basically a repeat of the finale/climax.
Despite a great movie this is I always felt like there should be a movie between this and First class
Choosing Apokalypse as the villain was a terrible choice. They should have gone for something a bit more lowkey for the newly assembled cast to actually have some bonding time and meaningful development. The stakes were just too high for them to just stop for a moment and actually have casual conversations.
3:29, For the most part, this film at least manages to convincingly portray some version the events of X-Men: First Class and the original X-Men Trilogy occurred in a shared universe and timeline that is now being rewritten by Logan affecting the past.
Still, it’s easier to consider each film beyond the original trilogy it’s own universe and timeline with just how disconnected many of the films even post-rewrite are (case and point, Mystique rescuing Logan from Stryker only for another version of Logan as Weapon X escaping Stryker’s capture just for more comic book elements to be introduced without care for continuity or logic).
And now with Deadpool 3, there’s a high chance this theory of each film being its own universe and timeline could end up being solidified into the narrative and used to implement previously regarded continuity errors and plot holes as part of the story and world-building.
12:38, What’s pretty interesting about all this is that Days Of Future Past (along with its inspiration, the first Terminator film), the animated series, Deadpool 2 and, most recently, Legion all follow a temporal-reality warping model of time travel, where time travel affects reality in any number of ways (14:54, which also means paradoxes are essentially ignored, 19:25, unless the writers want to use them to make the use of time travel more dangerous to dissuade characters from using it frivolously), including erasing or replacing events, or creating entirely new timelines while removing previous ones, all of which is the opposite of how the Avengers universe handles the subject.
X-Men 97’ was described in Tweets by its creators as essentially being its own multiverse “tree” in its own corner of existence separate from the MCU’s multiverse (which is currently in the shape of an Yggdrasil tree thanks to Loki), which somewhat explains how it can have different rules and elements while sharing others (the look of magic in X-Men 97’, as well as the concept of unchangeable events in time, or “absolute points”, is directly borrowed from the MCU), but how much this same logic will apply to other X-Men realities like Deadpool’s remains to be seen.
16:35, While very true that Logan can be seen as Xavier’s success story while Erik is his perhaps his greatest failure, Erik isn’t a good person, he’s a spiteful, cruel, egotistical individual with a sympathetic reason for being the way he is, reasons he uses to excuse the severity of his crimes along combined with his belief that his actions benefit mutantkind while others only degrade the species. Both this iteration of the character and even the X-Men 97’ version further this point by having Erik return to villainy in response to tragedy or loss, turning on his fellow mutants again, endangering and killing humans again, just to satisfy his need to never feel weak and powerless again, while he is forgiven afterwards, his crimes and victims forgotten (especially in X-Men: Apocalypse, where his destruction of cities in a fit of grief is promptly ignored by the rest of the cast and even the sequel, Dark Phoenix, as if humanity wouldn’t be further investing in means to depower and kill mutants on mass after a single mutant caused the level of devastation he caused), never being allowed to definitively be redeemed or punished, just regressed over and over (18:46, all the while, the audience is repeatedly told by the story that he isn’t “that bad” because he at least has the capacity for love and compassion, unlike Shaw, and does cares about his species, as if that makes up for all the times his actions harmed them, all the times he turned on those that saw him as a friend, 19:51, with even this film being guilty of it to a less egregious extent). 46:42, And if the film order was flipped, it would only justify not having Erik be redeemed by the end, as by that point he has chosen to be “Frankenstein’s monster” too many times and has caused too much harm to ever be able to go back (especially since it would mean he’d team up with En Sabah Nur, nearly destroy civilization, betray En Sabah Nur, leave, only to again end up fighting the X-Men to assassinate the president, which would justify the Sentinels being created) which would make him being the last threat the past cast face along with the Sentinels a conclusion to his overall arc, perhaps ending in his death.
19:14, It’s also ironic that Future Erik would disgustedly mock humans using guns (dismissing the fact that humans need guns and other technology to be able to compete with even the weakest of mutants, much less telekinetic ones like Erik), while Past Erik, being something of a espionage agent styled after James Bond, openly uses guns in both this film and X-Men: First Class. His god complex is less extreme as his older counterpart, while his rage and ferocity are more heavily focused on.
20:43, Weirdly enough, subsequent mainstream speedster characters are also depicted as horders, from film Sonic to Makari from Eternals (and to a lesser extent, Snyder’s Barry Allen).
30:05, On one hand, it’s satisfying to see Logan be unbound by his previous weakness to Erik’s electromagnetic telekinesis affecting his metal-laced bones, but on the other, Erik is technically the far stronger mutant, have easily subdued and killed many others who didn’t even have metal in their bodies, and his subduing of Logan by putting metal into his body not only evokes the comic event of Erik removing Logan’s adamantium but also furthers the idea these characters cannot change anything as not only is Erik once again a violent terrorist but Logan is, at least symbolically, being forced to relive the adamantium bonding process the caused him so much pain (and in 2017’s Logan’s continuity, contributed to the character’s death through metal poisoning).
37:30, Logan and Storm have similar been a couple in the comics, as well as one of the various dystopian futures in the animated series that gets erased along with their marriage.
37:45, Bobby and Kitty’s relationship being erased in favor of him and Rogue touches upon the questionable choices made with their love triangle in X-Men: The Last Stand, especially in deleted scenes (38:01, the loss of this relationship with reality being rewritten, with sweet it was portrayed, adds a further layer of tragedy to it, as this rewrite essentially kills all the future characters anyway).
41:27, The revised future, however, has an absence from of Raven and Erik, which leaves they’re fates open-ended, the later continuity not providing much in the way of answers with how few of its elements suggest any connection to the ending of Days Of Future Past, especially when it comes to the presence of Jean.
52:00, The D’Bari could have worked if they were more intrinsically tied to the mutant phenomenon like the Celestials were in the comics (them also being the ones who supplied En Sabah Nur with the advanced technology he uses, meaning the D’Bari could have been revealed as the source of En Sabah Nur’s technology in X-Men: Apocalypse as well), or alternatively, how the Kree are tied to the Inhumans, as neither mutant nor Inhuman are a product of natural evolution and are instead supernatural beings created intentionally or otherwise by other species. Either way, the inclusion of the Phoenix Force as the comic accurate cosmic entity already makes that film feel more disconnected to the previous ones, even to X-Men: Apocalypse where the Phoenix is one again an aspect of Jean herself, it just hasn’t devolved into a split personality because Charles didn’t tamper with her mind yet.
54:09, Just because mutants were being born by there year doesn’t mean those kids at the school weren’t simply born years before and the decline in mutant birth rates only became apparent afterwards. Still, the various continuity issues justify all of these films potentially having their own continuities.
When I was a kid, all of my friends were raving about the X-Men films and I (with the exception of X2) was quite disappointed by them. First Class was fantastic but still wasn't quite the X-Men film I wanted to watch.
When DoFP came out in 2014, that was the first time I truly felt like I was watching an X-Men MOVIE. It had everything: time travel, Sentinels, Wolverine, Magneto, Ice Man, Bishop. Oh, you get the point 😊
The deleted Logan and Storm subplot is such an interesting idea though. A romance born in desperation, heartbreak, and loss. If it were given some time and focus and a connection to the overall story, seeing Storm and Wolverine would have been fun. But they both have to sacrifice the love they created over the years to create a better future for mutant and humankind.
X-men DOFP: Great performances, emotional resonance, multilayered storytelling and character development. Excellent action sequences and visuals.
Brilliant opening act and a fitting third act climax. It’s cohesive, substantial, an enthralling piece of comicbook entertainment.
46:22 Actually after the Apocalypse PCS in 2014 my idea was that they were going to keep the 2 times narrative in the next one by having the younger cast face Apocalypse in the 80’s and the OG one in the present.
And the justification being them telling Logan that obviously doesn’t remember the new timeline
I said this in a previous video! They should have kept going with both timelines after this. I would have loved to see the modern team face apocalypse only for Logan to discover they faced before - cut back to the younger versions!
i find it kind of neat that in the future timeline, both humanity and mutantkind have been devastated. It echoes the idea of Mutually Assured Destruction, the very thing they dealt with in First Class.