Nissan Leaf Battery Health Check
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- This is an video on the "Nissan Leaf Battery Health Check"
We have a 2019 e+ Nissan Leaf, in Australia, with a 62 kWh battery pack.
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This EV is 2 years old and has travelled over 30,000 km's, but how has the battery held up?
We utilised "Leaf Spy Pro" on the iPhone (also available on android), to checkout the battery.
Is it still healthy? A lot of people believe EV batteries "Die" after 2 or 3 years.
Let's find out ????
🎥 Originally filmed back in Autumn 2021
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Thanks for the update! My understanding is new traction batteries do not came with 100% SOH, just something more close to 98~96% SOH.
The battery packs arrive with close to 100%, but the BMS applies a quarterly update which hides 6-7% (1-2% per update) in total during the first 4-6 updates. Sometimes you get a little back in ensuing updates.
@@douglasalanthompson Thanks for the clarification!
We did not want to go too deep into the BMS, just kept things simple. Just wanted people to understand the concept of reduced capacity due to protective buffering, on the top side and bottom of the battery, when cell are shunting.
Great video. Thanks for the mV explanation on the Leaf Spy app. I have a 2016 Leaf, 30 kWh version, 40,295 miles, SOH at 78.59% at 8mV, 19 QC's 949 L1/L2, I have a L2 at home so that is 99% of charging. Down 2 bars, I lost the first bar at EXACTLY 30k miles, and the 2nd at EXACTLY 40kmiles. Literally I was driving, hit those milestones, after I turned my car on next the bar was gone. That seems just way to exact. 22% degradation a little excessive? At this rate I should be able to get a updated battery with the 100k mile 8 year warranty here in the United States. Any feedback is greatly appreciated. We love our leaf. Purchased it used in 2018 with 15k miles on it.
@@jimclay1969 It all comes down to environment your battery exists in. Heat is the killer.
If you do too many QC's, you get too much heat, more degradation.
If you live in a hot climate, again too much heat, battery degrades faster.
If you travel and QC, then travel more and QC, again too much heat, battery degrades faster.
That is the biggest floor of the LEAF battery, No active cooling.
But in Canberra its a cold climate, and you have don't to travel very long distances across town.
The great thing in you favour Jim, you do not QC all that often. As for warranty (8 bars remaining I think) in the United States, time will tell.
Thank you for info. At least I can now buy the correct dongle for my Leaf now. Love your work.
Glad to help
Very helpful information. Thank you for helping me understand how to use my LeafSpy.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you. 👍🏽
Good video. Interesting to see such good SOH for the kms. My 2016 Leaf had only done 4,500kms when it arrived in August and was down to 80% soh..
Yes the SOH of Yuki was good, we will do another update at 50,000 km.
(WARNING RANT COMING)
Thats the thing that really annoys me. There are a lot of people out there who import a AZEO Leaf and then get stung by the SOH, most of the time "not their fault" !
When a person buys a EV for the first time, you want that EV to be a positive experience.
You can import yourself (With the assistance of an import broker like Prestige, Ironchef, J-spec) and get a AZEO for about $19000. But there are Car yards/companies that import for you, and you end up paying $27k-$29k for a AZEO.
But this is the bit that really irks me. That person who bought the AZEO Leaf for let's say $27000, and was told by the sales person "importing yourself is dangerous" or "Its too much paperwork". BUT if you could pay $29000 (An extra $2000) and import your own ZE1 40kWh LEAF, it would be better value for money.
That 40kWh LEAF would give them a range of 190km - 210km, and even when that battery is complete stuffed in 7 years, you still have a range of 110km - 130km.
But if you looked at the AZEO LEAF, you currently have a range of 110km to 130km, in 3-5 years that will be 70km - 90km.
There are also good forums out there, to give tips for importing your own LEAF.
Nissan Leaf owners Australia - facebook.com/groups/1695823577366861
The import brokers (Prestige, Ironchef, J-spec) make the process very easy, they can guide you through the tiny amount of paperwork you do (most of it already filled in).
They also check the SOH of the battery
We have imported from Japan twice now, looking at a third next year.
But there are people out there who are happy paying $19000 for AZEO, and thats fair enough as well.
Also checkout our importing video, if you want
th-cam.com/video/21w4rqB4rTU/w-d-xo.html
Cheers EV4ME
@@ev4me2 Good points. My comment on battery health was simply that your car has amazing SOH for the age/kms.
We bought ours through Prestige so had my eyes open wrt SOH (they tested it at the auction site). We could have bought a Tesla Model 3 or a new LEAF - but only paid $22k in total, so I'm happy with the value for money question. It's completely fine for us as a second car...
OH well, I was Abo #1000! Nice channel!
Hey thanks e: Motion the 1000th Sub. Did not even notice.
And what a great name for the 1000th subscriber !!!!
I’m starting to see more of theses on the road. My 2012 LEAF is now down 3 capacity blocks but I’m still getting around 120km per charge.
Thats really good, you are getting an "OK" range on the 24 kWh ze0..
Still a lot of life remaining
Thanks for the info. It's been really helpful to understand the basics of battery health. One question though, where can I buy the dongle you mentioned in the video. Much appreciated!
Check the description, then search ebay
Thanks for sharing! Great car in my opinion.
Glad you like it!
My 2014 24kwh leaf, yes 7 years old has 85% SOH :) i recently got 150klm mixed driving down to near 0. People still hear the stories of the 2011-13 leaf and apply that to all leafs. What kills the later leafs is rapid charging in succession. My leaf only had 3 fast charges in its life, which i believe might be the reason it has done well. Its had 2 summers in hot brisbane with only 2% drop in 2 years. People judge the leaf and think its range should be like a tesla, i always start off a conversation with " this is a city car and i do 99% of my driving with it, my old petrol car or a rental is used for my long trips. " i also paid 14k for it , maybe the cost of tesla paint, wheels and selfdriving software. Im stoked and compared to my old v6 in 4 years it will have paid for itself in petrol cost alone :) even less as i charge at work :)
85% SOH is really good for a Ze0 leaf.
Yes you are right, if you look after the battery, it will serve you well. Also the battery technology is getting better and better.
We also have saved a lot by driving around an EV.
Chademo in summer killed battery, but I have leaf 2015 (24) with 5000 quick charge - soh down 63%
@@leaf736 yep nissan could have done something about it, hell they even had cooling in the nv200s using the AC cool air during charging. the rear packs of cells are usually first to fail.
@@leaf736 Yes Heat and repeated CHAdeMO charges over a day, is not good for battery.
Keep up the video updates!
Thanks for that "Leaf storm", we just wanted to put a no BS spin on drive/traction batteries. Also start a conversation.
@@ev4me2 we have 2 Leaf Pluses here in Chicago and drive them everywhere. Its a very capable car, and often under considered due to the early years when the car batteries didn't do so well in hot climates. Here in the US, the car is a great value compared to the Model 3, usually 10K-15K less than a SR+ after discounts. The new chemistry does very well longevity wise, even above 40C.
Hi there, thank you for the great review. I just purchased a new e+ today. Where did you purchase the leaf spy dongle from?
You should find that info in description area of video
Thanks for the great video, I’m curious about the process of buying at auction in Japan. Was it cheaper? How much was the shipping? What red tape did you have to work through?
Yes it was a lot cheaper buying from Auction.
But this Nissan E+ Leaf we bought last year in May was not available in Australia.
You can now pickup the e+ Leaf from Japan for between $43000-$49000. Much cheaper than $65000 in Australia
We also imported a second 40kWh Leaf for about $28000 a couple of months ago, just a bit cheaper than $54000.
We also vlogged our Auction Journey last year, checkout the link:
th-cam.com/video/21w4rqB4rTU/w-d-xo.html
Check our twitter @EV4ME2 as well, we blogged steps in tweets, 18 months ago
Cheers
The reality is that, unless they're severely abused (hot climate, frequent rapid charging, etc...), automotive Li-ion batteries won't die even after 10 years or more. They will slowly lose capacity but they don't simply die like other battery chemistries. Presently a Li-ion battery is considered to have lost enough capacity to warrant replacement after losing only 30% of it's original capacity, but It may take over 200,000 miles to reach this point. The battery will still have 70% of its original capacity and will still work just fine. Most people will opt to just keep it and keep going for many more years. Most manufactures claim at least 1000 "full" charge cycles (Tesla claims over 1500). If the vehicle is getting 250 miles range for each of 1000 charge cycles then it will go 250,000 miles. Again that's just until it has lost 30% of its original capacity. After 250,000 miles it may only be getting 175 miles per charge but still working fine. Consider the long range Tesla Model "S" which gets 412 miles per charge. After 1500 charges it will likely have gone over 600,000 miles. Ten years ago you'd be lucky to over 100,000 miles but not today. The battery life issue has pretty much been solved.
Could not have said it better myself. Batteries don't have to be changed, as they wear out the EV just gets passed down to an owner, who doesn't travel that far.
Interesting video. I've got the same car. I bought the Leaf 62 kWh because of the Leaf track record and the continuing upgrade of the battery chemistry. Also the battery is simple and easy to replace if ever it needed replacing. The Leaf is powerful, comfortable and quiet. I've only ever charged it at home from a normal 240 volt socket. I would never go back to an ICE car.
We would not go back to ICE either.
We also have a second 40kwh Leaf now, so we are full electric !
@@ev4me2 Any idea if it's better for the battery to be topped up to 80% after each trip or to let it go down to say 30% before charging to 80%?
@@baronsilverbaron757 take the battery straight to 100%. These are new generation batteries.
Also drop the batteries between 5-15%, then recharge again, is not a problem.
Its basically just like your mobile phone, but don't let it go dead flat.
We have trouble with limitations of EV's. Range and limited, costly chargers, high insurance make the ICE car a lot cheaper overall.
in the UK at the moment, insurance costs are related to the value of the car, not whether it's an EV or not; cheaper cars are cheaper to insure, assuming you have a good history as a driver..
Nice vídeo!
I want an EV but for now, I can't. They don't have the range I need and I don't have where to charge at home .
For my experience with other applications of lithium ion batteries they can last an insane amount of time. I have 2 battery packs made of reporpused laptops batteries to charge my mobile and in one, the cells are over 14 years old and the other about 12 years with extensive use and they still have a nice capacity so, although batteries are more stressed in a car, I do believe they can last a lot.
The cheaper BYD EV's will be coming out over the next couple of years
Cheers for this video :). Question on the buffer bit, do you normally charge to "indicated" 100% as a result?....we tend to charge to 80%, but if 100% is safe that would make life easier charging at home. You remind me must plug in LeafSpy and check our current SOH (only a bit over 10k on the clock now, car is late 2017). Was 93.86% with 11mV at time of purchase, 126 JDM QC's though, and was only 56 slow charges. No QC's since then.
In the ZE1 LEAF, you can charge to 100%. The BMS (Battery management system) handles the buffer. So for example, you might have 100% charge on the guesso meter, but only 57 kWh of energy, in a 62 kWh drive battery.
Do the occasional QC when you need to, Heat contributes to batteries degrading. The less repeated QC charging the better. It OK to do that j1772 charging at home because it does not generate as much battery stress. Can also get a little more complicated in hotter climates.
We are all learning about ZE1 battery degradation.
@@ev4me2 Cheers that is awesome info as usual :). Rob.
@@ev4me2 thanks for the info sharing. qq - is there a difference in battery stress/heat between 110/240 charging? If I can get away with 110 is it better for the battery?
@@willsverges There is no real difference between charging at 110/230 or 3/6kW. The stress occurs when your charging above 50kW in the e+ LEAF. When you drive then fast charge, then drive and fast charge some more the heat builds up over the day.
Thats the difference between a passively cooled battery and an actively cooled battery.
@@ev4me2 - so do you recommend using the 100kW charging option in the e plus?
It would be a cool idea if the drive battery could be split into smaller modules so at replacement, the cost wouldn't be as painful all at once. Battery replacement stations would be even better, then the risk of overcharging would be out of your hands.
Unfortunately Nissan like to refurbish the whole battery assembly. The 40 kWh batteries are more modular, so cell packs are more easily replaced.
Can you kindly provide details of the OBD device and the version of Leaf Spy. I am told that the latest Leaf Spy does not work with 2020 Nissan Leaf in conjunction with OBD 2. Thanks Bob
Good question Bob. You can search in ebay for a "Vgate OBD2 II WiFi" dongle. The one with the orange band around it. Costs around $40 AUD or $30 USD.
Not sure on the 2020 Leaf compatibility, as we have the 2019.
@@ev4me2 Can confirm, it works fine with 2020 Leaf (mine anyway)
It's been a pretty mild summer this year (even in Canberra!). It would be interesting to see if you get much worse degradation after a hot summer, especially if you do multiple fast charges on 40+ degree days. I know the newer battery chemistry is better than before, but I wonder if it will hold up to the harsh Aussie conditions?
Yes, you are correct, it has been a mild summer in CBR. But in CBR we only get ten +40 degrees days a year.
Also Yuki has not been through a traditional CBR winter yet.
Hopefully we can run another health check in 12 months, and see where the trends are happening, in a cool climate like CBR.
The reality is that, unless they're severely abused (frequent rapid charging in hot climates), automotive Li-ion batteries won't die even after 10 years or more. They will slowly lose capacity but they don't simply die like other battery chemistries. Presently a Li-ion battery is considered to have lost enough capacity to warrant replacement after losing over 35% of it's original capacity, but It may take over 200,000 miles to reach this point. The battery will still have 65% of its original capacity and will still work just fine. Most people will opt to just keep it and keep going for many more years. Most manufactures claim at least 1000 "full" charge cycles (Tesla claims over 1500). If the vehicle is getting 250 miles range for each of 1000 charge cycles then it will go 250,000 miles. Again that's just until it has lost 35% of its original capacity. Consider the long range Tesla Model "S" which gets 412 miles per charge. After 1500 charges it will likely have gone over 600,000 miles. Ten years ago you'd be lucky to over 100,000 miles but not today. The battery life issue has pretty much been solved.
And note that's *full* charge cycles. Small top-up charges with the same total capacity will arguably result in less battery degradation due to lower heat build up.
I wouldn't buy a Leaf if I were doing multiple fast charges per day - apart from anything else the charge rate on the second and subsequent fast charges in a day is slowed down to reduce heat build up.
But in what circumstances would you be doing it?
How do I get one at a good price? Online these cars are pretty expensive. 15K+. I'm in southern Africa.
Hi Guys, you posted a video recently about the front right wheel noise (which I watched) but today I can’t find it anywhere! If you took it down are you able to elaborate? I’m trying to explain the issue to my Nissan dealer so they can fix my 2019 ZE1.
Hi Duncan, we took it down a it is currently being updated.
I will put it up for a couple of days.
Check the description for the Nissan Bulletin, on the fault.
Does Nissan Australia have any formal battery replacement prices published for 40/60kwh when the time comes (say after 7 years)? They should be made to manage this better here.
Not really sure if Nissan has any prices for 40/62 kWh change over. But most people only keep their vehicles for less than 10 years. So an ZE1 Nissan Leaf thats 15 years old, will be OK as a car to run around town (the second car). It might be bought by a student, or mum ??
Also battery technology is getting better and better, batteries are vastly different to ones made 10 years ago. Apart from failure, batteries will never really need to be replaced.
Its just a new way of thinking
Nissan Australia isn't interested in replacing batteries, and especially not vehicles they didn't import (e.g. this one which was imported directly from Japan).
You'll have better luck from the folks across the ditch who've put together a great video about Leaf batteries up til 2020.
th-cam.com/video/hpgv-dY-q6M/w-d-xo.html
The process is actually quite simple, and any mechanic could do it. The catch though is that replacement batteries stocks are virtually non-existent.
At 1.26 of the video, I have to assume the battery is fine. There are people who have an 10 year old LEAF and it works fine, with slight degraded battery.
The biggest comment I get at work is that EV batteries only last 2-3 years. Its a bit of sarcasm to our critics
@@ev4me2 People will say anything to cling onto something that familiar. Having a combustion engine is safe for them and it doesn’t need any mental expenditure. Thanks for an informative video.
@@ev4me2 its kind of funny, that was the life of the old laptops. Now even laptops last over 10 hours these days.
My 2020 62kw Leaf has 39 500km , and my SOH is 94.8%. I live in canada. 0 Quick Charge, only 240V charges.
Thanks for your feedback Carl.
That's the way to go, slow charging and not many quick (QC) if possible !!
Also Canada, the perfect place to run a Nissan LEAF (not too hot)
With the battery in its current (no pun intended...) state, would you drive from Canberra to Sydney without stopping for a top up? Considering one of these but the occasional non-stop to Sydney (and one stop to Melbourne) is my test case.
You can drive to Sydney from Canberra. But "do not buy" a brand new the e+ Nissan LEAF, its poor value for money being $60k. You could import yourself through a JDM broker for $43k - $49k
If you purchased the Model 3 Tesla or Kona electric, you could save $5000.
Get an extra 50-70km "Real World" range.
Or even better wait to see what BYD offer up next year, get a Chinese EV (EV Direct) even cheaper?
Checkout our e+ LEAF 2 year review here:
th-cam.com/video/Uhl436mHDEk/w-d-xo.html
Cheers
Yes the 100kw charging option is nice, but only charges at 60-80 kw depending on battery temperature.
Also remember the leaf Battery operates off passive cooling, not active cooling, which is better.
@@ev4me2 I'm aware of the lack of active cooling, which is why I wouldn't look at the Leaf in an application if I needed multiple rapid charges in a day. (See rapidgate).
For that matter I wouldn't consider a Leaf if I were regularly fast charging anyway.
However it seems OK for my intended uses.
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Our 2020 Nissan Leaf with a 40 Kwh battery shows 94.02% SOH at 9642 miles. I don't know what the SOH was when the car was new?
It would be 100% roughly
30.000/(365*2)= 41 km per day. Why you bough 62 kwh Leaf ?
Great question Алексей Кондратьев . The japanese family did not drive the LEAF to much. we got it 200 days ago with roughly 10000Km's on it, so 20000/200= 100 km per day.
Also this was the first privately imported 62 kWh LEAF in Australia, we bought it to future proof battery degradation over time. Also to share import data and tips, as you look through our youtube channel.
When Australia eventually release the 62 kWh LEAF, we will have a lot of data on it, without the salesman bullsh!t.
@@ev4me2 Understand. Tnks.
great video .. I have a 2011 nissan leaf 24 kwh . three battery bars degradation down to 100 km from 132 km when new . a guy agreed to buy it for € 4000 euros plus his old honda Jazz car . then presumably his FRIENDS told him the battery would be about to grenade .. so he backed out of the agreed sale . my LEAF has done 32,000 km from new . and drives and looks brand new . why are people so fickle . The guy brought along a leaf spy app and dongle which showed 67% €4k euros for a mint LEAF is a cheap car in any language .
Yes 4k euro is pretty cheap. Here in Australia it would be $10000 AUD or 5k euro
What is your opinion / feedback for Nissan leaf 2018 40kw battery? With 30 000 Kms?
As long as you have a SOH of 90% and above thats good. Also 300 or less quick charges (QC)
What Japanese action did you buy the nissan leaf from?
Mostly the USS auctions at Nagoya
Where do I get one off the obd2 dongles you are using?
Check in the description of the video
What did you plug into the socket to get it to your phone
An OBD2 dongle + Leafspy app
Where do I get one off the obd2 connectors you are using?
Check in the description of the video
didnt the Gen 2 leaf have a different cell chemistry to aid degradation?
Yes the Gen 2, had a change in chemistry, better thermal characteristics. It would have been nice, if they put in some active cooling capacity, in the battery.
@@ev4me2 Yes, we all wish it had active cooling. The car didn't sell well where I live so I got a good deal on a Leaf Plus and have a garage so I am hoping for a reasonable degradation if we keep it out of the sun/heat. I'll consider it a win if it lasts 12 years with more than 60% state of health. I also wouldn't be surprised if in that time there is a reasonable cost battery replacement by then if I needed more range and wanted to keep the car.
Price
what price are you talking about?
Thanks for a very informative video, I have a 30kWh Leaf 4yrs old, SOH is 90.9% at 27500miles 44,000klms
For your subscribers along with your channel check out Dr Euan McTurk Plug Life Television on TH-cam he is a battery scientist.
This was my first one of your videos so I better now view another, thanks once again
Glad you enjoyed the video Chris. Yes Dr Euan McTurk Plug Life Television has a very interesting channel.