You mention massive cracking problems in the first year of Signature production. I bought two Full Crashes in 1989 (which are from the first production year). They are perfectly free of cracks up to now, the 16“ is played constantly in these 35 years.
The B15 alloy was originally supplied by a Czech foundry that had the issues, they may have been very early production runs that were only sold in Europe...
I don't think any other cymbal company uses B15, I know Paiste had a patent on it for several years, but that may have run out. My understanding is: in order to get the alloy to sound a certain way, the way Robert wanted, it has to be "cold rolled" (instead of hot rolled) in the last rolling stage to bring the thickness down to the proper level. B8 is softer and doesn't crack from cold rolling, B20 can't be cold rolled at any point: it has to always be heated so it doesn't crack and fall apart while rolling....
I purchased a 20” Paiste Signature Power Crash used great condition in 2007. Not sure what age it is but it had started to crack somewhere around the stamp maybe in 2019. I attempted to “repair” by drilling holes at the ends of the cracks to keep them from cracking further. It’s been working so far but now there’s a crack right under the bell. These are about a two-three inch crack. I’m curious if this is what they are referring to.
So the material for the sheet metal bronze after rolling wil loose about 40% waste, but I think this refers to b15 because of the brittle properties. They maybe resale the leftover to re melt. The chinese crashes from wuhan I have sure have a trashy sound, which is good in a way sometimes.
I could listen to this guy talk about alloys all day.
Mr. Fritz is a Gold Mine of information!
He worked directly with Robert and Toomas throughout the 2000s.
Mr. Fritz: "B15 has both the nice cuttting-through frequencies but also a lot of middle" Spot-on. Love my Sigs.
Thanks for sharing that. Very interesting and great job for Paiste for making this amazing signature line 👍
Very interesting!!! Thank you for making these videos!
this is awesome. Love Paiste
Awesome thank you!!!!
Thank you for information Fritz
You mention massive cracking problems in the first year of Signature production. I bought two Full Crashes in 1989 (which are from the first production year). They are perfectly free of cracks up to now, the 16“ is played constantly in these 35 years.
The B15 alloy was originally supplied by a Czech foundry that had the issues, they may have been very early production runs that were only sold in Europe...
My two Signature Full Crashes were bought in Europe (Germany) - maybe not all batches had the issues. Mine hold up very well!
Wow, just great i learn a lot.
veeeeery interesting, thanks!
I don't think any other cymbal company uses B15, I know Paiste had a patent on it for several years, but that may have run out.
My understanding is: in order to get the alloy to sound a certain way, the way Robert wanted, it has to be "cold rolled" (instead of hot rolled) in the last rolling stage to bring the thickness down to the proper level.
B8 is softer and doesn't crack from cold rolling, B20 can't be cold rolled at any point: it has to always be heated so it doesn't crack and fall apart while rolling....
Zildjian had a b15 line, Project 391
I purchased a 20” Paiste Signature Power Crash used great condition in 2007. Not sure what age it is but it had started to crack somewhere around the stamp maybe in 2019. I attempted to “repair” by drilling holes at the ends of the cracks to keep them from cracking further. It’s been working so far but now there’s a crack right under the bell. These are about a two-three inch crack. I’m curious if this is what they are referring to.
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So the material for the sheet metal bronze after rolling wil loose about 40% waste, but I think this refers to b15 because of the brittle properties. They maybe resale the leftover to re melt. The chinese crashes from wuhan I have sure have a trashy sound, which is good in a way sometimes.
Yes, this applies to B15 only, the scrap is melted down and reused.