16inch Crashes SUCK! Here's What to Buy
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ส.ค. 2024
- 16inch Crashes SUCK! Buy This Size Instead
If you are a new drummer updating your cymbals or you're just trying to figure out what you should buy for your next crash cymbal this video is for you. Spoiler alert 16" crashes are still really great cymbals but if you want to buy a new crash that can be found on almost every famous drummers kit and fits with anything you play watch this video. I hope this helps. Remember to keep Dreaming Big!
I dreamt big and went for the 18"s (inspired by the Taylor Hawkins kit), but the sound techs in medium/small rooms hated it. They had to turn off the overhead mics.
My tip is: adjust your crash sizes to the room you're playing. So make sure you have options.
Thats a good point. You might want to also thick of different variables in crashes for volume and room size. Often times it's the volume of the cymbal comes down to the size of the bell and the thickness of the cymbal rather then the diameter. An 18inch crash the is thin and has a smaller bell will most of the time be quieter than a 16inch medium crash with a bigger bell.
Should have just got a thinner 18” or a 19”!
So I like you bro!
Since you touched on 16” crashes I wanna make the case that they are STILL valuable even in 2023.
Well for worship, not ALL contemporary worship drummers play with contemporary worship BANDS…
Some play with more orchestral or symphonic ensembles.
In fact one churches drummer used to use like a 14” 2 16” crashes & an 18” crash, but they played with a percussionist who used an 18”/20” suspended cymbal…when they stopped having the orchestra and it was just the band, the cymbals did NOT fit the contemporary worship music…then the drummer changed to MUCH bigger cymbals, and everything sounded much better, until…they brought the orchestra back.
Why??
Cause now the drummer’s cymbals were washy and legato and the orchestral suspended cymbals were ALSO washy & legato🤣
No contrast
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That is true! It all depends what you are playing. If you play gospel music the big washy cymbals are not gonna cut it where as the 16s will be perfect.
It’s a great size (18”) for a crash/ride too. Probably the overall most usable size over time.
Very true 👍
Saying all 16" crashes is pretty harsh 😅 Lots of great 16" crashes out there. Sometimes an 18 is too big for smaller acoustic or club gigs.
Just my opinion as you have yours.
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I would agree that an 18” is a more versatile cymbals. I love my 16s though. To each their own. I personally can’t stand small splashes. All my splashes are 12”. I certainly own more 18” crashes than 16” but I still have four 16” crashes. All zils, two As, an A custom, and a K custom dark.
Bro... I say this exactly!! I have bought packs and then sell the 16"s because I end up not using them for anything that I actually do! The 18? is by far the best and most versatile!
I stopped using 16... maybe only in certain venues the 16's are good, like for recording or accents.
@@renegadebunny True! The 16" sounded great in the recording sessions that I did when I had it. More as a side cymbal or accent cymbal like you say.
18, 19, And 20, best sizes.
I like 18's and 19's more than 16's. Maybe it's because I started with a cheap pack with a 16 included, but still
If instagram drum clips is what you mean by contemporary music, then yes they’re not that in vogue. But 16” have their place when you’re sharing the sonic space with, you know, other instruments. A good crash can be quick, bright, not complex.
But I deffo would say: Sabian cymbals ‘suck’.
0:15 Even most modern metal players. You mean just Rock players in general, not just metal.
I still like 16" crashes for playing in church or with my oldies rock band. But for playing hard rock & metal, I became a fan of 17" crashes after seeing that's what Vik Foxx played in Vince Neil's band back in the early 90's. Sadly, Sabian stopped making many of their models in a 17" size, but several other cymbal makers still make them (Meinl, Paiste, etc.).
Yes and no. There are so many kinds of crashes which come in all sizes.
I have 18" crashes but I also have a 19" and 20" crash/ride.
As general rule, I agree with you. I played rock on the 60's and switched to jazz in the 70's. Jazz also allows crashing with the tips of the sticks.
I have always used a 14 inch with 18 crashes. But if could only take one always need at least a 18 inch for me something thin
I like my crashes to be rich, and full sounding. My Sabian 18" HHX Complex Thin Crash (that's a real mouthful to say) is perfect, especially for my more minimalistic setups. I also have a 19" AAX Thin Crash that's really great too. I think it really depends on how the cymbal is made, the thing those two crashes have in common in that the bells are unlathed, so it gives them a bit more aggression without having to be so thick that you need to really lay into it to get a decent sound out of it.
If you’re so sure that 16s suck, you sure didn’t explain why. Size often equals sustain and control.
I like having a 16" for a low volume rock or pop situation, as I feel like I can still play it quite naturally without the volume getting out of control. That's kind of it for me though - I'll use either a 17" and an 18", or two 18" for pretty much everything else.
I think 16" crashs work well for accent stuff, like a splash cymbal.
Still can't get why the 16 is the standard crash size with the bundles companies offer.. It's ridiculous to me.
Amen brother.. Also, the thinner the better imho, or at least thick cymbals suck (for most genres anyway)
From a business perspective, it's more cost-effective to include a 16" in a pack rather than an 18.
Well I guess it can also depend on how big your Ride cymbal is, well in my case it's a 19" Zildjian Sweet Ride, and with it I took to have on my left side (hihat side) another Zildjian 18" Medium Crash. And then at last I bought me the CRASH Cymbal and that was naturally a Zildijan 18" (like you said) Thin Crash. But as soon as I put it up on my right side over my beautiful Yamaha floor toms 14 & 16" they basically sounded the same :( Well what had happened in the mean while I went and saw the great Peter Erskitin play here in Iceland with Jakob Magnusson and after the concert I went up on the state to take a better look what Cymbals mr. Erskertin was using (since all of them sounded to good and especially his Craser! and guess what it was? A 16 inch Zildjian Sweet Crash!And on Monday morning I took my Think A Crash and swapped it for that K Sweet Crash and there I heard and fellt the right tone! But that's just mine view on Crash cymbals @ the age of 70 (LoL) and still love's to bang my drums and punch the Cymbals
My problem with his assertions are "The Sounds of Today" are what will always be. Trends shift back and forth. Today it's all about a 4 piece kit and a crash able ride plus one crash ( which I appreciate mind you because I like simplicity and a small footprint) but in 20 years everyone might want the Neil Peart setup again. This guy comes off as a bit didactic to me as if his opinion is The Opinion. I get his point but his way of seeing things is one way, not The Way.
I definitely don't see my opinion as the only way. My overall objective is exactly that, times change which means cymbals will change but the one size that is most useful as a crash over the decades has been an 18inch crash. The goal is to help new drummers buy gear that will last a long time rather than getting a 12inch crash OR a 24inch crash that may not be useful in the future.
Consider this a first crash buyers guide for drummers who are about to spend lots of money on a nice new cymbal and don't want to do what I did and buy cymbals I would replace 2 or 3 years later.
Thanks for your comment. It's always good to get clarification.
Good stuff, brother!
According to my taste the 16 inch size is the best because it still gets the crash sound compared to the 18 inch size and above, and also in my opinion the 18 inch size is too wide for the main crash size, even if it is 18 inch I prefer the thin/ozone one, for 19 inch and above I prefer I like the size of the ride cymbal
I have a 19 inch Meinl classic custom dark crash I love and am trying to find another crash to compliment it.
My 18 inch ion crash sounds great too but I need one more crash.
Hopefully I'll find something I like
I got the Meinl Custom Dark set and added a 18 inch thin crash, replaced the 16 that came in the set. The Custom Dark Thins are amazing
@@ShaunGcq been looking to replace my cracked sixteen and maybe that's a good option . Thanks for the idea Rock On!
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I found a 16 that sounds excellent and fits with everything. It's actually quite loud and I was able to try before I bought it. I'm never getting rid of it
I'm glad you were able to find a cymbal sound that you love!
So, is it better a 17" or 18" Crash?
If you are getting one I would pick 18" because it can be paired if bigger and smaller cymbals
Honestly my least favorite size is an 18” crash
My FAVORITE size is a 19” crash!
Big for a crash but still feels “crash like” with a ride cymbal!!
I honestly haven't ever played a 19" crash. I'd love to try one out some day.
Paiste 2002 thin crash 16" is the best sounding crash EVER!!!
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So, in jazz or Dixieland fits?
I know you're trying to get people's attention, but 16's don't suck and neither do 18's. We don't all do the same thing, because that WOULD suck!
I actually recommend 18s in my video so I would tend to agree with.
Great job on this video!!
Thanks so much! It was fun to make a video again
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Underwhelming click bait. Do better
What about 19inch crash
19s are great too!
Sound wise?? I dont have any problems with 16’s.. its just larger crash is easier to set up and to hit when your crashing.. dont give false info dude
It's not false info to say that most drummers are no longer using small 16inch crashes in current music. The trend is bigger crashes because of the depth they have.
So your advice is follow the herd with your big hats… And nobody making “contemporary” music is using 16” crashes? Please…
No, my advice is to buy an 18 crash as your first upgrade because it will fit with more styles of music. I am trying help people make decisions that lead them to a specific sound that they are looking for. If I'm trying to find a sound on a record that is fairly current and I want to achieve it, most likely it is a bigger cymbal because that is what people are using. If you love a 16 then that's what you should use for your personal projects.
Mate, your content sucks. You are presenting opinion as fact. A common problem, but that’s no excuse for you to follow suit. 18” is a size… you do not discuss weight, hammering, finish…. Just say 18 … 18…. EIGHTEEN!!! I can tell your intentions are good, but you are merely adding to the mud.
16" is only good for hi hats
16" hats are the best!
thanks for basically saying nothing and wasting 3:08 of my life :*
Thanks for watching