I totally have that same criteria for a ride. Good stick definition, good wash / crash and good bell. I've only let one ride get away that I wish I had kept. VERSATILITY is also important when choosing a good ride.
Great video, really informative. Now if you could do a follow up video on "how to convince your wife that a new ride cymbal is a household essential" that'd be great... 😂
I’m not sure about “needs.” A drummer like me pounding out twos and fours playing covers in a party rock bar band can probably get by with just one. My Todd Sucherman HH Sabian ride can do it all for me. That said, variety is the spice of life. I have a half dozen or so just to keep me interested and entertained.
As a beginner drummer I have found it difficult to understand where different ride sounds and each of their individual dynamics sit within the rest of the kit. This video was very helpful.
I'm a beginner too. I want to upgrade from my cheap set. I've watched a bunch of different videos but I have no idea what I like. Hell sometimes I can't even notice a difference between sets.
Man, that's a seriously well rounded, versatile collection of rides. It goes to show, there really is no substitute for years of dedicated, practical experience. Not _just_ for your level of playing but for your knowledge of the instrument, the development of your ears and the ability to identify and choose the right tools to have in your arsenal. It's always come through to me in your videos that beyond being a really tasty drummer and great teacher, you have great _ears_ and really know what you're hearing and how to listen. Obviously, no one would want you anywhere but on that drum throne but if you instead had and put the same level of passion and dedication into coming up in studios and working behind a recording console, you would have been a _TOP_ tier recording and mixing engineer. Anyhow, my favorite was that 21" Dark Energy. What tone and balance _that_ beauty has. I've gotta score one to have in my studio.
Man.... I wish you were doing this video 30 years ago when I was shopping for a ride cymbal. I now realize I only have 2 out of 3 qualities for a ride that I should have. Bright bell, good stick definition, but kind of a crappy crash. Thank you for enlightening me.
I was here just because I love rides 😃 You know, the choice of what type of rude cymbal to invest in is just as important as choosing a vehicle to drive. Versatile rides are the way to go either way in my opinion 😉 They all sound great! That 21" master dry really pulled at my heart strings ☺️ Thank you for sharing! 👍
Love me my Paistes. I have my 502 ride me mums gifted me for Xmas when I was sixteen, 22 yrs later it still sounds amazing and has no damage. In recent years I scored a 20” signature power ride, used at a guitar center. Unknowingly it was the ride of my dreams. Powerful, sharp, piercing bell. But after watching this, I want me one of them signature thins!
They all sounded beautiful to me. The 20" signature traditional light ride surprised me the most because it had solid definition even with the lighter weight.
Yeah, the stick is surprisingly sharp for how thin it is. Just gotta be a little mindful of how much you lean into it if it's not tight between the felts.
I particularly like the 22” Masters Dark. It really compliments the rest of your kit the best, while at the same time having its own unique voice. It’s distinguished, yet complimentary. Very pleasing to the ears. Fantastic playing, Rob!
My PAiSTe rides: 22” Colorsound 900 Red Ride- All the rock you need. 22” Formula 602 Medium Ride- A little less power, killer bell. 20” Formula 602 Medium Flatride- Soft and sweet. 😅
Thanks much Rob. I love rides too. My favorite part of a drum set. I have two of the cymbals you have presented here. I have found that i also love many Istanbul Agops as well. I miss and match them. Keep up the great work Rob. I love your channel. Bill.
Great video Rob. I can see why you have them all. They are all fantastic and each has a niche. The masters dry 21 surprised me the most. I was not expecting that sound from a Paiste. If I could only have one of these it would be dark energy 21. It has the sparkle of a 602 with controlled overtones that wlll sit in a mix. A true fusion cymbal.
I went with the Paiste 22“ Masters Dark Ride back then. My logic was: I’d rather go with a washy ride than a dry ride, as I can always put some dampening (e.g. tape) on it, but I can’t add wash to a dry ride.
Had mine since '87, bought at Mannys, very proud of the oval shaped hole in the middle. A Sabian, bell like crystal, so many levels of sound, I picked it based on my ears and two ppl: Peart for its 'presence', and Bozzio for the definition and mellow attack (really, it was Bozzio on Robbie Robertson's _American Roulette_ that stuck with me. "She had the walk, the look, the talk...') Fun vid, Rob!
I’m a zildjian guy but I love those 602s! My primary ride is a 20” K Con med thin low. Also in my collection is an EAK Heavy ride, Early K custom brilliant ride, K sweet ride, vintage A med ride, and A custom med ride. All my bases and more are covered there.
Dream Cymbals Rob.. Great vid. Mine are kind of in a similar vibe, but in vintage style (cheaper too😊) 20" Dry Dark Paiste Signature 20" Paiste 3000 Rude power Ride 20" Paiste 2002 medium ride 20" Zildjian Ping Ride Ah...great, beautiful playing Rob. Cheers from Brazil.
I somehow - completely inadvertently - managed to accumulate a bunch of (all Paiste) rides: 22" Masters Dark ride, 20" Dark Energy mkI ride, vintage Giant Beat 20" multi, and a Sound Creation Bright Medium for a ridiculous price which I'm not crazy about but also wasn't able to flip it for a decent price... Absolutely love the Masters and Dark Energy. Also a church drummer :)
I have a Paiste 2002 22" Ride. Different types of drumsticks makes quite a change in tone on a ride also. You could probably make a video about that if you aint already have. Dream ride for me would be a Paiste 22" Reflector "The Powerslave". (Just for being a Iron Maiden and Nicko McBrain fan). =)
Love my ME 602 20” and 24” ride. The 24” is a beast. To complete my setup I also have a Dark Energy 21” mk1 ride, which is my main ride. I also have a 20” mellow ride, which has the best bell sound. But is very soft sounding, ideal for low volume playing.
I honestly like the last cymbal best. The dark had a gorgeous tone so that was my #2. I’m not a fan of aggressively LOUD cymbals with HUGE sustain. But tone, like so much else, is a matter of personal preference. Thanks for the vid, RB!
Here was my Ranked List before getting the #5 (the Monads), looks like I agree with you with #1. :) 1. Formula 602 ME Ride 22" 2. Big Beat 22" 3. 2002 Heavy Ride 22" 4. 2002 Power Ride 22" 5. Signature Dry Heavy Ride Monad 22" 6. Rude Power Ride 20
Man that 21" Dark Energy Signature ,Beautiful Just Beautiful, I just picked up the 22" Dry heavy MOnad ride for my PRog Rock group, but now I wanna trade my Zild 21 Sweet ride for that 21 Dar energy just Beautiful
I have been looking for a Ride for years. It seems every one i have seen tried A customs, K customs, Meinal, Pastie, it has been a nightmare, i play groove rock and EVERY ride i tried for a long time gets so harsh and hisses like your smashing a china or crash. So for the last 5 years… I have been playing a Stagg CX. Which sounds surprisingly good. Its warm i can lay into it during solos and it maintains its smoothness. Then i was out trying rides and found a cymbals i will never be able to afford, but holy hell is it smooth the Sabian AAX FREQ and my god. Its out of this world
Some very nice rides there. I recently played a 22" Signature Dark Energy Ride Mark II - and almost threw out the baby with the bathwater. That is the perfect ride for me.
Have you got video about 18s crash rides? I cannot decide between AAX xlosion and ozone unless there are other good options-The one I can ride crash it without being overwhelming the room,having thin but enough susten for heavy slower music
Love the breakdown of the reasoning behind each selection. And super smooth playing as per usual. They all sound great, but that Masters Dark Ride really caught my ear. The 602ME too. Super sparkly and pretty. As a Paiste guy, I wonder if you'd enjoy one of those multi-cymbals like Big Beat or Giant Beat. Love the channel man.
Some tasty playing on some nice pies! Thanks for sharing your thought process, it puts some of those subjective marketing terms used by the manufacturers into a real world context.
Great rides !! Among the other series, Giant Beat cymbals have it all. Definition, crashability, fantastic bell ! I have a 20'' one, but I wish Paiste made a 21'' one, it would be killer, the 22'' is a little bit too heavy for me. Paiste for ever !!
That's great. So I have the Roland TD-50 and I was able to dial into it my dream ride by mixing 2 ride samples together to get the perfect balance of clear ding and dark/dirty sizzle.
Out of the 3 characteristics of a ride cymbal, the 1 main thing that I look for in a ride is a strong cutting bell. The 2nd thing is stick definition. I’d prefer a medium weighted ride in a 21” or 22” . No smaller than 21 inches or no bigger than 22 inches. The Formula 602 Modern Essentials & Signature Dark Energy MK l would be my 2 choices.
Love the way the Paiste sound, I looked at sweet water and just stared at the price, wow that’s crazy expensive. I’m still a beginner so I’ll have to wait a few years.
A very nice listen to some "someday maybe" cymbals. Still haven't progressed beyond my PST7's. That 602 is about the same price as my entire collection 😂
For straight ahead jazz I would add wash as an important characteristic…. In fact the balance between wash and stick to be more specific. I have heard some great paistes in jazz situations; eg, Greg Hutchinson
Check out the 22" Dark Energy MKII when you get a chance. That's my choice for the bell/crash/stick definition combo you're talking about. It's a freak of nature cymbal, I can crash it and go right back to riding it and the ping on the bow is right there. It never gets overly washy to the point you loose the stick sound.
I have the feisty paiste modern traditional 602 ride 22 inch, and it is King on my kit thank you so much VC. But I love to have a polar opposite like that feisty paiste signature Dark Energy Mark 1 for a smaller audience! It's got a gorgeous sound
Wow! This is very interesting. I’ve had the same Sabian 20” hand hammered ride for around 25 years. I always thought that how I play it was the answer. I might look into different Ride cymbals. All though I’ve had success just playing what I’ve got. 🤷♂️. Granted I play heavier music than you do. But I completely understand what you are saying and completely agree.
great vid man thanks!! one thing i wish would be covered by anyone on cymbal reviews Especially with demos, is what sticks are you using...? thanks again and keep up the good work!! i appreciate you!
The 602 ME was my first Paiste Ride as well for it's versatility. Next was a 22" Signature Traditionals, since I play more Jazz & Fusion. And that is my absolute favorite. It seems we have a similar taste. I have all your Rides in my collection as well, except the Masters Dry Dark. And all my Rides are 22" in size. 20" is more like a big Crash to me nowadays 😅
20' signature traditonal is gorgeous as a crash ride. Um i use 2002 medium crash cymbals 16', 17' & 18', but i wanted to finda nice ride crash '20 & the signature traditional is perfect, and the 21'masters dry ride just lovely sound. Thanks
I have the Paiste 602 22" Modern Essentials ride . Cleanest bell I have . That and the stick definition on recording is top shelf . Crash ability not so much . Still searching for perfect.
My current favorite ride is Sabian AA 20 Rock. I buy it used dirt cheap, ugly but perfect from mechanical point of view. Try it and like it so much so clean it, polish, restore logo. Why I like it? This is: have solid ping for metal and rock songs, still musical enough for light context, have nice powerfull bell, have some wash when you ding it close to edge, and this is compact and weight only 2,7 kg! I replaced my big heavy rail 22 metal-x ride and my back said me thanx. I also like my byzance 22 sand crash ride but only for recordings. In live it can be used only as crash IMO. Also want to check 21 A Sweet Ride and 21K Crash-Ride. Searching for crashable ride with good ping is so exhausting for wallet and nerves. This is another reason why I just surrender and choose 20 AA Rock as default ride and close that question for now, focusing on crash cymbals.
Rob thank you so much again for this awesome video! How would you compare the 602 with the 24" giant beat multi ride cymbal? I currently have the 22" Powerslave (the master of the ping by the way) but I am now looking for that washy ride that would tell that story that never ends 😊
That 602ME is superb, as is the 20" light ride. A 22" of the light ride would be amazing. I'm a Zildjian guy and have an old 22" 70s A medium that is my all rounder but I have a 22" K Con Renaissance that's you'd love, it's dark, light and has an unlathed bell which really cuts plus it crashes well. Got far too many rides myself and mainly use the two above.
The Zildjian A Medium ride is a standard, all around ride for me. My favorite one was a 20" I bought about 20 years ago. It was stolen several years ago, and I cannot find another one exactly like it. I think it was slightly lighter than standard, and it had a slight hint of trashiness; it crashed beautifully. I have several recordings of it, and I still go back and listen to them just to hear my favorite ride cymbal. I may have to have one custom lathed someday. Anyways, I'd love to hear your 22" Medium ride. I'm thinking about going to bigger rides, but I'm not a very tall person. 20" rides seem to be the sweet spot for my more compact setup.
@@genericsomething my 22 A medium is like the 22" Avedis Dark ride sound wise. Warm, nice controllable wash, good belly and crashes well. Just what you want a ride to sound like you can use for everything. Thankfully someone aged it and played it in for 40 odd years before I got it as an eBay gamble. It's one of the hollow logos. I had an original 20 K Custom that like an idiot I swapped for a 22" 2002 heavy ride. Man I wish I'd have kept that. Nothing worse than having gear stolen. I had my cymbals stolen in 2004 but by a miracle I got them back. I hope you find something that sounds like the one you had stolen. Try the Avedis line.
@@hardcoreyorkie I had an original 20" K Custom, too!. I sold it because I wanted something else. I'm probably going to get a K Medium ride, but I haven't decided the size yet.
Can you plz do a video on knowing what fill grouping count to do when playing with certain grooves & time signatures? Beginner drummer here so I dnt know all the terminology but I’m mean for example fill groups for songs that are 2count, 3 count, 4 count, etc.
Wow! Extremely timely video Rob as I’m currently cross shopping most of those ride cymbals and the 22” 2002 ride! If you could only choose two of those rides to have as your only two ride cymbals which ones would you choose?
I am a Zildjian guy at heart. In a long battle with myself, I finally chose the Zildjian 23 inch A Custom Sweet Ride after playing a 22” Zildjian of some kind since 1975. The bell finally cracked. Would love to hear your thoughts on the 23” A Custom Sweet Ride if you are familiar. I only play in the studio now. The sustain is a bit much, but I love it.
I'd love my paiste2002 med.16,17,18 and but I would also like to get a set of darker cymbals like the paiste sig. Traditional crashes ( 17, 18 an the 20 in ride.....)
I bought this ride a year and a half ago the Modern Essentials 602 which is I guess one that Vinny Coliuta developed with Paiste. I don't think there's a better ride on the market then the Modern Essentials 602-22-in I've never felt so comfortable with a ride cymbal.
Love Rides, Hats, Crashes, Splashes and Snares - all of them 😂
If I’m ever like “screw it, I’m going over to Paiste”, it’ll probably be after watching one of your videos. Your cymbals sound fantastic
The signature dark energy had incredible clear stick definition.
The crash on the 602 ME was vividly complex and extremely beautiful. Made me gasp in delight. Truly extraordinary.
I totally have that same criteria for a ride. Good stick definition, good wash / crash and good bell. I've only let one ride get away that I wish I had kept. VERSATILITY is also important when choosing a good ride.
Great video, really informative. Now if you could do a follow up video on "how to convince your wife that a new ride cymbal is a household essential" that'd be great... 😂
Every drummer needs multiple rides. One for each style of music and taste.
Tools in a toolbox 👌🏾
I’m not sure about “needs.” A drummer like me pounding out twos and fours playing covers in a party rock bar band can probably get by with just one. My Todd Sucherman HH Sabian ride can do it all for me. That said, variety is the spice of life. I have a half dozen or so just to keep me interested and entertained.
As a beginner drummer I have found it difficult to understand where different ride sounds and each of their individual dynamics sit within the rest of the kit. This video was very helpful.
Your ears will become a lot more sensitive to those details the longer you play
It can be confusing. I'm a real Goldilocks about my cymbals, especially rides. Currently I'm enjoying a brand new Paiste 2002 22 ride.
many sites have sound samples of the 3 zones, but hearing the rides in a musical context is such a better comparison in my opinion
I'm a beginner too. I want to upgrade from my cheap set. I've watched a bunch of different videos but I have no idea what I like. Hell sometimes I can't even notice a difference between sets.
The Dark Energy is Schooper Dooper. Clear winner for me. So musical and versatile. Great mid-lows,dark and creamy.
Man, that's a seriously well rounded, versatile collection of rides. It goes to show, there really is no substitute for years of dedicated, practical experience. Not _just_ for your level of playing but for your knowledge of the instrument, the development of your ears and the ability to identify and choose the right tools to have in your arsenal. It's always come through to me in your videos that beyond being a really tasty drummer and great teacher, you have great _ears_ and really know what you're hearing and how to listen. Obviously, no one would want you anywhere but on that drum throne but if you instead had and put the same level of passion and dedication into coming up in studios and working behind a recording console, you would have been a _TOP_ tier recording and mixing engineer.
Anyhow, my favorite was that 21" Dark Energy. What tone and balance _that_ beauty has. I've gotta score one to have in my studio.
They all sound great in their own ways. You described each one very well.
I really dig that 602 man. All sounded great and you're description of each one was spot on.
These Paiste cymbals are so beautiful. Such pleasure hearing you explaining individual one.
Looking forward for All my Drums/ Gears videos as well.
Man.... I wish you were doing this video 30 years ago when I was shopping for a ride cymbal. I now realize I only have 2 out of 3 qualities for a ride that I should have. Bright bell, good stick definition, but kind of a crappy crash. Thank you for enlightening me.
I was here just because I love rides 😃
You know, the choice of what type of rude cymbal to invest in is just as important as choosing a vehicle to drive. Versatile rides are the way to go either way in my opinion 😉 They all sound great! That 21" master dry really pulled at my heart strings ☺️
Thank you for sharing! 👍
Mr. Brown, you are phenomenal, blessed with great timing, thank you brother for all your teachings. May the Lord continue to bless you..🙌😊🥁
Thanks, man 🙂
Love me my Paistes. I have my 502 ride me mums gifted me for Xmas when I was sixteen, 22 yrs later it still sounds amazing and has no damage. In recent years I scored a 20” signature power ride, used at a guitar center. Unknowingly it was the ride of my dreams. Powerful, sharp, piercing bell. But after watching this, I want me one of them signature thins!
They all sounded beautiful to me. The 20" signature traditional light ride surprised me the most because it had solid definition even with the lighter weight.
Yeah, the stick is surprisingly sharp for how thin it is. Just gotta be a little mindful of how much you lean into it if it's not tight between the felts.
The 602 and the light are incredible ! You can play anything with the two !
Yea, If those are your only two, you're still golden.
I particularly like the 22” Masters Dark. It really compliments the rest of your kit the best, while at the same time having its own unique voice. It’s distinguished, yet complimentary. Very pleasing to the ears. Fantastic playing, Rob!
That one gets a lot of "What cymbal is that?!", yeah. Gorgeous under the mics. And thanks 🙂
My PAiSTe rides: 22” Colorsound 900 Red Ride- All the rock you need. 22” Formula 602 Medium Ride- A little less power, killer bell. 20” Formula 602 Medium Flatride- Soft and sweet. 😅
Master class on Cymbals...but your playing Rob!!!! Killer! Looover how creative your grooves are
My exact thoughts, I know those are great symbols but hear me playing them and they will not sound like what we just heard
Just sold a PRS SE Guitar and put the funds to a 22” 602 modern essentials. What a cymbal! So musical and versatile!
Thanks much Rob. I love rides too. My favorite part of a drum set. I have two of the cymbals you have presented here.
I have found that i also love many Istanbul Agops as well. I miss and match them. Keep up the great work Rob. I love your channel. Bill.
Great video Rob. I can see why you have them all. They are all fantastic and each has a niche. The masters dry 21 surprised me the most. I was not expecting that sound from a Paiste. If I could only have one of these it would be dark energy 21. It has the sparkle of a 602 with controlled overtones that wlll sit in a mix. A true fusion cymbal.
I went with the Paiste 22“ Masters Dark Ride back then. My logic was: I’d rather go with a washy ride than a dry ride, as I can always put some dampening (e.g. tape) on it, but I can’t add wash to a dry ride.
Had mine since '87, bought at Mannys, very proud of the oval shaped hole in the middle.
A Sabian, bell like crystal, so many levels of sound, I picked it based on my ears and two ppl: Peart for its 'presence', and Bozzio for the definition and mellow attack (really, it was Bozzio on Robbie Robertson's _American Roulette_ that stuck with me. "She had the walk, the look, the talk...')
Fun vid, Rob!
If I may use cymbal qualities to describe this video, I'm going with brilliant. Thanks for the time and effort, keep up the good work.
I’m a zildjian guy but I love those 602s! My primary ride is a 20” K Con med thin low. Also in my collection is an EAK Heavy ride, Early K custom brilliant ride, K sweet ride, vintage A med ride, and A custom med ride. All my bases and more are covered there.
Oh I forgot, I have a K session ride too
Nice collection, I like all of them. I love my K Con’s ,K Custom’s and Kerope’s .
Dream Cymbals Rob.. Great vid. Mine are kind of in a similar vibe, but in vintage style (cheaper too😊)
20" Dry Dark Paiste Signature
20" Paiste 3000 Rude power Ride
20" Paiste 2002 medium ride
20" Zildjian Ping Ride
Ah...great, beautiful playing Rob.
Cheers from Brazil.
I somehow - completely inadvertently - managed to accumulate a bunch of (all Paiste) rides: 22" Masters Dark ride, 20" Dark Energy mkI ride, vintage Giant Beat 20" multi, and a Sound Creation Bright Medium for a ridiculous price which I'm not crazy about but also wasn't able to flip it for a decent price...
Absolutely love the Masters and Dark Energy.
Also a church drummer :)
Thanks for perceiving the need for this.. and fulfilling it with simplicity and style
I have a Paiste 2002 22" Ride. Different types of drumsticks makes quite a change in tone on a ride also. You could probably make a video about that if you aint already have.
Dream ride for me would be a Paiste 22" Reflector "The Powerslave". (Just for being a Iron Maiden and Nicko McBrain fan). =)
That light ride sounds buttery and smooth.
The old formula 602 Dark Ride is a gem.A rarity. Much sought after.
Cheers.
I use a Ziljian Z light power ride 22" for loud gigs. a Ziljian A 24" for less volume. Also, I have a Ziljian A 20" crash/ride, used as a crash..😊
*PLUS* They will sound different if you use nylon tips.
very helpful breakdown of your ride choices. personally dig the modern essentials 22" and traditional 20" the most.
Love my ME 602 20” and 24” ride. The 24” is a beast. To complete my setup I also have a Dark Energy 21” mk1 ride, which is my main ride. I also have a 20” mellow ride, which has the best bell sound. But is very soft sounding, ideal for low volume playing.
Thanks for posting this. Very helpful.
I have a 22'' Masters Dark and it is incredible, love using it for jazz! That 602 though is something else
21' masters dry ride is beautiful I love the sound.
I honestly like the last cymbal best. The dark had a gorgeous tone so that was my #2. I’m not a fan of aggressively LOUD cymbals with HUGE sustain. But tone, like so much else, is a matter of personal preference.
Thanks for the vid, RB!
I really like how the first ride cymbal sounds, but all are great. Cheers, Rob! 👍🏻👍🏻✌️🥁 🇨🇦
I’m digging this. I’ve been wanting a dry ride for smaller rooms. This gives me ideas! 👍
Thx Rob! Loving the darker cymbals these days myself. That Signature Dark Energy 21” sounds tasty! Rock on!
Here was my Ranked List before getting the #5 (the Monads), looks like I agree with you with #1. :)
1. Formula 602 ME Ride 22"
2. Big Beat 22"
3. 2002 Heavy Ride 22"
4. 2002 Power Ride 22"
5. Signature Dry Heavy Ride Monad 22"
6. Rude Power Ride 20
Great cymbals brother but it's your touch and technique that makes them musical, no doubt.
Thanks, man 🙂
Man that 21" Dark Energy Signature ,Beautiful Just Beautiful, I just picked up the 22" Dry heavy MOnad ride for my PRog Rock group, but now I wanna trade my Zild 21 Sweet ride for that 21 Dar energy just Beautiful
They all sound good!👍
I have been looking for a Ride for years. It seems every one i have seen tried A customs, K customs, Meinal, Pastie, it has been a nightmare, i play groove rock and EVERY ride i tried for a long time gets so harsh and hisses like your smashing a china or crash.
So for the last 5 years… I have been playing a Stagg CX. Which sounds surprisingly good. Its warm i can lay into it during solos and it maintains its smoothness.
Then i was out trying rides and found a cymbals i will never be able to afford, but holy hell is it smooth the Sabian AAX FREQ and my god. Its out of this world
My favorite is the 20" signature traditional. Gorgeous.
Mine too 🥇
good to see you Rob
Some very nice rides there. I recently played a 22" Signature Dark Energy Ride Mark II - and almost threw out the baby with the bathwater. That is the perfect ride for me.
The MK II is pretty ridiculous, too 🔥
I think the 21” Signature Dark Energy MK1 is my personal favorite among these. It swells beautifully and the bell seems to cut pretty well.
Very helpful! Thanks! Hadn't Paiste on my screen, like the dry one a lot.❤
Have you got video about 18s crash rides? I cannot decide between AAX xlosion and ozone unless there are other good options-The one I can ride crash it without being overwhelming the room,having thin but enough susten for heavy slower music
Love the breakdown of the reasoning behind each selection. And super smooth playing as per usual. They all sound great, but that Masters Dark Ride really caught my ear. The 602ME too. Super sparkly and pretty. As a Paiste guy, I wonder if you'd enjoy one of those multi-cymbals like Big Beat or Giant Beat. Love the channel man.
I'm a fan of both. There are some real winners in the Big Beat series. I've got a full review on em somewhere out here.
I have lots of rides too. Vintage As and Paiste. 20s, 21s, 22s and 24s. My fav for most universal is a great 20"
Some tasty playing on some nice pies! Thanks for sharing your thought process, it puts some of those subjective marketing terms used by the manufacturers into a real world context.
Great rides !! Among the other series, Giant Beat cymbals have it all. Definition, crashability, fantastic bell ! I have a 20'' one, but I wish Paiste made a 21'' one, it would be killer, the 22'' is a little bit too heavy for me. Paiste for ever !!
That's great. So I have the Roland TD-50 and I was able to dial into it my dream ride by mixing 2 ride samples together to get the perfect balance of clear ding and dark/dirty sizzle.
Thank you for making this video sir 🤘🏼
Out of the 3 characteristics of a ride cymbal, the 1 main thing that I look for in a ride is a strong cutting bell. The 2nd thing is stick definition. I’d prefer a medium weighted ride in a 21” or 22” . No smaller than 21 inches or no bigger than 22 inches. The Formula 602 Modern Essentials & Signature Dark Energy MK l would be my 2 choices.
Love the way the Paiste sound, I looked at sweet water and just stared at the price, wow that’s crazy expensive. I’m still a beginner so I’ll have to wait a few years.
A very nice listen to some "someday maybe" cymbals. Still haven't progressed beyond my PST7's. That 602 is about the same price as my entire collection 😂
I’ve got pst 5’s and pst 7’s and they’re great affordable cymbals 😉
It's an A&F man !!! 🥁
Hell'o Mr BROWN !!!
Nice sounds (and playing of course) but i prefer Zildjian !!!
For straight ahead jazz I would add wash as an important characteristic…. In fact the balance between wash and stick to be more specific. I have heard some great paistes in jazz situations; eg, Greg Hutchinson
Check out the 22" Dark Energy MKII when you get a chance. That's my choice for the bell/crash/stick definition combo you're talking about. It's a freak of nature cymbal, I can crash it and go right back to riding it and the ping on the bow is right there. It never gets overly washy to the point you loose the stick sound.
I have the feisty paiste modern traditional 602 ride 22 inch, and it is King on my kit thank you so much VC. But I love to have a polar opposite like that feisty paiste signature Dark Energy Mark 1 for a smaller audience! It's got a gorgeous sound
Wow! This is very interesting. I’ve had the same Sabian 20” hand hammered ride for around 25 years. I always thought that how I play it was the answer. I might look into different Ride cymbals. All though I’ve had success just playing what I’ve got. 🤷♂️. Granted I play heavier music than you do. But I completely understand what you are saying and completely agree.
Thanks for the video Rob 👍🏼
great vid man thanks!! one thing i wish would be covered by anyone on cymbal reviews Especially with demos, is what sticks are you using...? thanks again and keep up the good work!! i appreciate you!
Rob, have you tried using the Signature Fast Crash 20" as a ride? The bell on that cymbal is just amazing.
I have tried any of the Fast cymbals yet but I’ve heard a few. Killer.
Parabéns… maravilhosa vídeo… explicativo, musical espetacular.
Cool video. Of these, I dug the 22" Masters Dry the most. The Dark Energy second. What's the weight on the Masters Dry?
What overheads are you using?
The 602 ME was my first Paiste Ride as well for it's versatility. Next was a 22" Signature Traditionals, since I play more Jazz & Fusion. And that is my absolute favorite. It seems we have a similar taste. I have all your Rides in my collection as well, except the Masters Dry Dark. And all my Rides are 22" in size. 20" is more like a big Crash to me nowadays 😅
20' signature traditonal is gorgeous as a crash ride. Um i use 2002 medium crash cymbals 16', 17' & 18', but i wanted to finda nice ride crash '20 & the signature traditional is perfect, and the 21'masters dry ride just lovely sound. Thanks
I have the Paiste 602 22" Modern Essentials ride . Cleanest bell I have . That and the stick definition on recording is top shelf . Crash ability not so much . Still searching for perfect.
Hi Rob, have you had the chance to compare the Mark II ride with the Mark I ride? I am looking to purchase a Dark Energy ride. Thanks.
I need to go ride shopping now.
My current favorite ride is Sabian AA 20 Rock. I buy it used dirt cheap, ugly but perfect from mechanical point of view. Try it and like it so much so clean it, polish, restore logo. Why I like it? This is: have solid ping for metal and rock songs, still musical enough for light context, have nice powerfull bell, have some wash when you ding it close to edge, and this is compact and weight only 2,7 kg! I replaced my big heavy rail 22 metal-x ride and my back said me thanx. I also like my byzance 22 sand crash ride but only for recordings. In live it can be used only as crash IMO. Also want to check 21 A Sweet Ride and 21K Crash-Ride. Searching for crashable ride with good ping is so exhausting for wallet and nerves. This is another reason why I just surrender and choose 20 AA Rock as default ride and close that question for now, focusing on crash cymbals.
I have loved all my rides...still lookin for the perfect one tho...😵💫
Rob sounds great, and the cymbals sound great....case closed
Rob thank you so much again for this awesome video! How would you compare the 602 with the 24" giant beat multi ride cymbal? I currently have the 22" Powerslave (the master of the ping by the way) but I am now looking for that washy ride that would tell that story that never ends 😊
That 602ME is superb, as is the 20" light ride. A 22" of the light ride would be amazing.
I'm a Zildjian guy and have an old 22" 70s A medium that is my all rounder but I have a 22" K Con Renaissance that's you'd love, it's dark, light and has an unlathed bell which really cuts plus it crashes well.
Got far too many rides myself and mainly use the two above.
The Zildjian A Medium ride is a standard, all around ride for me. My favorite one was a 20" I bought about 20 years ago. It was stolen several years ago, and I cannot find another one exactly like it. I think it was slightly lighter than standard, and it had a slight hint of trashiness; it crashed beautifully. I have several recordings of it, and I still go back and listen to them just to hear my favorite ride cymbal. I may have to have one custom lathed someday.
Anyways, I'd love to hear your 22" Medium ride. I'm thinking about going to bigger rides, but I'm not a very tall person. 20" rides seem to be the sweet spot for my more compact setup.
@@genericsomething my 22 A medium is like the 22" Avedis Dark ride sound wise. Warm, nice controllable wash, good belly and crashes well. Just what you want a ride to sound like you can use for everything.
Thankfully someone aged it and played it in for 40 odd years before I got it as an eBay gamble. It's one of the hollow logos.
I had an original 20 K Custom that like an idiot I swapped for a 22" 2002 heavy ride. Man I wish I'd have kept that.
Nothing worse than having gear stolen. I had my cymbals stolen in 2004 but by a miracle I got them back. I hope you find something that sounds like the one you had stolen. Try the Avedis line.
@@hardcoreyorkie I had an original 20" K Custom, too!. I sold it because I wanted something else. I'm probably going to get a K Medium ride, but I haven't decided the size yet.
Can you plz do a video on knowing what fill grouping count to do when playing with certain grooves & time signatures? Beginner drummer here so I dnt know all the terminology but I’m mean for example fill groups for songs that are 2count, 3 count, 4 count, etc.
Great work. New sub.
Hi, my name is Fred..and I'm addicted to ride cymbals.
Victoria drum fest , sounding good , wasn’t your phx monster 😂, but they sounding good too !!! 🥁✌️
Wow! Extremely timely video Rob as I’m currently cross shopping most of those ride cymbals and the 22” 2002 ride! If you could only choose two of those rides to have as your only two ride cymbals which ones would you choose?
I am a Zildjian guy at heart. In a long battle with myself, I finally chose the Zildjian 23 inch A Custom Sweet Ride after playing a 22” Zildjian of some kind since 1975. The bell finally cracked. Would love to hear your thoughts on the 23” A Custom Sweet Ride if you are familiar. I only play in the studio now. The sustain is a bit much, but I love it.
I'd love my paiste2002 med.16,17,18 and but I would also like to get a set of darker cymbals like the paiste sig. Traditional crashes ( 17, 18 an the 20 in ride.....)
I bought this ride a year and a half ago the Modern Essentials 602 which is I guess one that Vinny Coliuta developed with Paiste. I don't think there's a better ride on the market then the Modern Essentials 602-22-in I've never felt so comfortable with a ride cymbal.
Love this type of content being a newer drummer! Can I ask what snare you're using here?
It’s an A&F 14x6.5 Raw Brass
@@RobBeatdownBrown Thank you!
I want to put 21 dark energy in frame on the wall like piece of art
I want that first ride that was shown, very jealous.
I want that signature traditional light ride in 22
The only _*Paiste_ buying guide people might need 😂 Nice demo, though.
That 20" Signature traditional at the end is the SHIZ-NITTLE
It's dope, ain't it? 🔥