There a two training courses I recommend to fix problems like this (and worse). "Groom, Saddle, Ride & Fix Bad Behavior": online.horsetrainingvideos.com/fix-bad-behavior/... And "Lope Slow with Complete Control": online.horsetrainingvideos.com/lope-slow-with-control/
100% true (re the introducing the bit wrong cause). The worst bit chomper we had was a 7 year old Off the Track thoroughbred. His head would go up and he'd just start chomping as soon as you he felt a snaffle bit in his mouth, even though we were riding him in a halter for the first month. He wouldn't stop chomping the whole time. He was a sensitive type, and I can only think that the way many jockeys and track riders hang onto the reins to rate the gallop was just too stressful for him and he never coped well with it. In the end we used a different type of bit to remove the negative associations. Was easier than trying to get him to accept that snaffle when he was so stressed about it
any suggestions on a 8 yr old mustang that gets her tongue over bits? We have tried 4 different types. She loves and works well in a little s hackamore and we have now started using a bosal and she does well. However, my 12 yr old granddaughter cannot show her in ranch classes unless she has a shank bit.
Thinking more about what you are doing here. I am not a trainer but I am trying to train my teenage horses how to turn on their haunches in a similar manor to what you are doing here. My horses are Tennessee Walkers so they are kinda weak in their rear-ends. For this reason I am working on this maneuver but I do it very slowly. Unfortunately my horses did not stop slinging their rear-ends out. Like you, I want their heads down so I work hard not to over ask them. So their heads are staying down but they don't seem to get their footwork right. Are you able to give any advice?
#1: That bit is mild. It's not causing pain. #2: Most owners are not capable of using a bosal. #3: Riding with a bosal will not address the "ROOT CAUSE" of the problem.
Hi Larry, Janice here in NZ. I have a 6 yr old Perlino mare. Do you think that some horses like the Perlino can have quite fleshy pink mouths and sensitive to bits. I've tried this mare on 4 different bits. She just constantly chomps in the bit. It drove me batty so I changed to a bosal and it's stopped it instantly. I guess my question is, should I perserver with a bit?
@@JaniceRenton-Rooney I get so many questions like this. 1. Out of the hundreds of horses I have trained, NOT ONE had a mouth that was too sensitive for a normal snaffle bit.. What causes chomping on the bit? 1. Not introducing the bit to the horse correctly. 2. Do it wrong and most with chomp the bit. 3. Hang a snaffle in their mouth at least a weak before you ever touch it. 4. NEVER EVER, PULL ON THE BIT BEFORE THE HORSE IS READY FOR IT. 5. Most people PULL ON THE BIT with both hands trying to get the horse to stop. Guaranteed to ruin a horse's mouth. 6. Failure to teach the horse to be light and supple. The rider "strong arms" the horse instead. 7. Using too severe a bit before the horse is ready for it. 8. Most riders don't know the difference between a mild bit and a severe bit. These people cause the chomping. Sorry if this sounds like harsh criticism but it's the facts.
@@JaniceRenton-Rooney It's the same with Arabian horses. Many of them are so sensitive they will never be truely fine with a bit. Thus they are regarded 'crazy', 'difficult' and so forth, but truth always was, put pain devices away and they give you everything - they teach you that less control is more. I was a bit rider until I realized that even problems like horses going wild on rides disappear into thin air once you put away with bits, because anticipating pain in the bit does make them go way wilder than they would if you ride in neck rope. Bits are about control and communication, but also about animal welfare. I'd recommend you develop some metric to evaluate your minimal necessities and where you are at with each device. For me, bitless control (bosal) is a 10/10 (my horse wore some bits once in his life time, but I saw no reason to teach him as he was already fit to ride without, and he really didn't like any of the bits even though I didn't even had reins attached xD), so no need for a bit. With neck rope maybe 5/10, which is fine for shorter trail rides, but would not try (yet) for long rides. Animal welfare is very subjective, but a bit will certainly never reach 10/10, far too many signs of pain on far too many horses (the average shows pain, which most riders are blind to). Communication score is a question of training. Even a neckrope can reach 10/10 if you train properly. It is more of question where you are at and what you trained. No more or less difficult as long as the equipment is functional. (there are some bitless bridles where you pull into 'emptyness' which are not functional, so you'd never have full control in those). Control with bosal is mostly a question how the horse was trained from ground prior to riding (e.g. drive them from ground using a halter), so if your leading is great, bosal should be no problem, and that's the cool thing about that. You can teach almost everything from ground in no time without risking anything. What are your numbers, comparing bosal and bit? Do they rectify questioning the demand due to underlying training or communication issues, or maybe even health issues, or is it peer pressure? Would love to hear.
There a two training courses I recommend to fix problems like this (and worse). "Groom, Saddle, Ride & Fix Bad Behavior": online.horsetrainingvideos.com/fix-bad-behavior/... And "Lope Slow with Complete Control": online.horsetrainingvideos.com/lope-slow-with-control/
Really needed this today. Thanks Lar
New start for the horse
Thank you so much.
You are welcome
100% true (re the introducing the bit wrong cause). The worst bit chomper we had was a 7 year old Off the Track thoroughbred. His head would go up and he'd just start chomping as soon as you he felt a snaffle bit in his mouth, even though we were riding him in a halter for the first month. He wouldn't stop chomping the whole time. He was a sensitive type, and I can only think that the way many jockeys and track riders hang onto the reins to rate the gallop was just too stressful for him and he never coped well with it. In the end we used a different type of bit to remove the negative associations. Was easier than trying to get him to accept that snaffle when he was so stressed about it
Yes, the training on the track is less than ideal
I love how this guy doesn't over react to that horse looking around. Everything is so boring like all great horse training is.
any suggestions on a 8 yr old mustang that gets her tongue over bits? We have tried 4 different types. She loves and works well in a little s hackamore and we have now started using a bosal and she does well. However, my 12 yr old granddaughter cannot show her in ranch classes unless she has a shank bit.
I suggest you try what I recommend doing in this video. Also try using a curb bit with a "Billy Allen" mouthpiece.
Thinking more about what you are doing here. I am not a trainer but I am trying to train my teenage horses how to turn on their haunches in a similar manor to what you are doing here.
My horses are Tennessee Walkers so they are kinda weak in their rear-ends. For this reason I am working on this maneuver but I do it very slowly. Unfortunately my horses did not stop slinging their rear-ends out. Like you, I want their heads down so I work hard not to over ask them. So their heads are staying down but they don't seem to get their footwork right.
Are you able to give any advice?
There are many videos on my channel that show how to do this right.
If a device causes pain by design, don't use it. Why don't just throw the bit away and go for a bosal?
#1: That bit is mild. It's not causing pain. #2: Most owners are not capable of using a bosal. #3: Riding with a bosal will not address the "ROOT CAUSE" of the problem.
Hi Larry, Janice here in NZ. I have a 6 yr old Perlino mare. Do you think that some horses like the Perlino can have quite fleshy pink mouths and sensitive to bits. I've tried this mare on 4 different bits. She just constantly chomps in the bit. It drove me batty so I changed to a bosal and it's stopped it instantly. I guess my question is, should I perserver with a bit?
@@JaniceRenton-Rooney I get so many questions like this.
1. Out of the hundreds of horses I have trained, NOT ONE had a mouth that was too sensitive for a normal snaffle bit..
What causes chomping on the bit?
1. Not introducing the bit to the horse correctly.
2. Do it wrong and most with chomp the bit.
3. Hang a snaffle in their mouth at least a weak before you ever touch it.
4. NEVER EVER, PULL ON THE BIT BEFORE THE HORSE IS READY FOR IT.
5. Most people PULL ON THE BIT with both hands trying to get the horse to stop. Guaranteed to ruin a horse's mouth.
6. Failure to teach the horse to be light and supple. The rider "strong arms" the horse instead.
7. Using too severe a bit before the horse is ready for it.
8. Most riders don't know the difference between a mild bit and a severe bit. These people cause the chomping.
Sorry if this sounds like harsh criticism but it's the facts.
@@JaniceRenton-Rooney It's the same with Arabian horses. Many of them are so sensitive they will never be truely fine with a bit. Thus they are regarded 'crazy', 'difficult' and so forth, but truth always was, put pain devices away and they give you everything - they teach you that less control is more.
I was a bit rider until I realized that even problems like horses going wild on rides disappear into thin air once you put away with bits, because anticipating pain in the bit does make them go way wilder than they would if you ride in neck rope.
Bits are about control and communication, but also about animal welfare.
I'd recommend you develop some metric to evaluate your minimal necessities and where you are at with each device.
For me, bitless control (bosal) is a 10/10 (my horse wore some bits once in his life time, but I saw no reason to teach him as he was already fit to ride without, and he really didn't like any of the bits even though I didn't even had reins attached xD), so no need for a bit. With neck rope maybe 5/10, which is fine for shorter trail rides, but would not try (yet) for long rides. Animal welfare is very subjective, but a bit will certainly never reach 10/10, far too many signs of pain on far too many horses (the average shows pain, which most riders are blind to). Communication score is a question of training. Even a neckrope can reach 10/10 if you train properly. It is more of question where you are at and what you trained. No more or less difficult as long as the equipment is functional. (there are some bitless bridles where you pull into 'emptyness' which are not functional, so you'd never have full control in those). Control with bosal is mostly a question how the horse was trained from ground prior to riding (e.g. drive them from ground using a halter), so if your leading is great, bosal should be no problem, and that's the cool thing about that. You can teach almost everything from ground in no time without risking anything.
What are your numbers, comparing bosal and bit? Do they rectify questioning the demand due to underlying training or communication issues, or maybe even health issues, or is it peer pressure?
Would love to hear.