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No wonder most good trainers don’t post their good work. I see a lot of comments about pain. No, the horse is not in pain. Ryan is re-training him. We need the Ryan’s of the world! I am grateful for his leadership and willingness to endure online critics who never saw the horse in person. Thanks for the video.
I agree I feel like it's the easy fast answer for some people to just say oh pain that's why not because lack of training. Sme thing going on with parents today with their poorly behaved kids it's never the sugar or discipline to blame it always some "medical generality" problem.
Agreed! “Oh he’s in pain. Oh he’s lame.” Always making excuses for horses with holes in their training. That’s how I see it. I do not see what everyone is fussing over. Horses are STILL animals at the end of the day with minds of their own and can make their own decisions. They’re not absolutely perfect til they hurt. Idk why people think this.
If it were pain, as so many keyboard trainers have suggested on here, the horse would not have softened and done better after an hour. He would not have become unstuck at that last minute of the video. If it were physical pain, he would have just gotten worse. Mr. Rose was 100% correct in his approach in dealing with the mental and emotional problems in this horse. You cannot see in a video all the things that you can see while on the ground actually handling the horse. You cannot learn from watching what is happening if you are suggesting from a distance that you already suspect you know what is happening.
@@tanyaoellermann I did. I have seen a lot of angry, spoiled horses do the exact same thing when they are asked to do something that they don’t want to do and have gotten away with saying no before.
So glad you can show us how important it is to work with the horse where they are at. It's way smarter to adjust plans than it is to force a horse to do something.
Not a horse guy.... thank you so much for showing how this is done. I have had opportunities to ride but have a great deal of respect (and caution) for the size and power of these animals. The subtleties have obviously taken you many years to learn. My friends with horses have never given me the slightest glimmer of these sensibilities.
Hahaha I was riding my mare on the trails bridleless as we've done plenty times and I had closed my eyes to feel all her movements, totally relaxed and the next thing I knew I was on the ground and she was half way across the field 😂
The current craze of bitless riding is so insane to me. I have seen so many accidents happen.. and anybody that I know that has ridden bitless successfully, usually only does so in an arena and has trained their horse with a bit. I agree you should be able to ride your horse bitless if it's trained properly but that doesn't mean you ride them bitless all the time, anymore than you allow your child or your young toddler to run loose all the time just because you've taught them to stay with you. The attention span of a horse and a young child is very short and limited to,oh what's that over there?
@slidenapps You just like bits because you don't trust your horse. You sound like those people who are like "If you wear a helmet you're showing your horse you don't trust them." Horses are prey animals, and when you're riding, it's definitely "It's not if you fall off, it's when." And sure, riding bitless can increase the risk if you have not done proper training with your horse. But you could have an angel horse, and they could still throw you, because HORSES ARE PREY ANIMALS. But riding bitless can also be really good for bonding with your horse and getting them really tuned into your more minute movements, instead of the discomfort and force and bleeding that some bits can cause. They are not hurting the horse by riding bitless, so your opinion is not needed or wanted.
I am a "reknewed" rider. I used to ride when I was young. I am now 52 years old and haven't rode in 20 years. The first time I rode, I got thrown. Then I bought a beautiful horse that was trained really well. But since I was thrown I was afraid. He got barn spoiled and now I am more nervous. I am now taking riding lessons. Its me, I am the problem. I am learning everyday and I can't wait to ride my horse. Thank you for your videos!
I am so happy that you realize it's not the horse. So many people do not realize how quickly they can ruin a horse. It doesn't take a lot. Enjoy your riding journey.
I agree. This really is such a beautiful horse. Just stunning. It's such a shame that someone mishandled him. I bet otherwise he would be such a gentle thing. He seems like a horse that likes to take his time to think about things, which tells you a lot about his intelligence. I'd love to have that horse. I can't stop looking at him, either. Just an absolutely beautiful horse.
I'm not sure he's been mishandled in the normal use of that term. I think he has been handled by people who don't know how to correctly handle a horse that is more sensitive than your average backyard type.
We do battle reactment and take a big deal of training horse to stay calm in many different disturbing circumstances, but at home to make the total battle experience is impossible, so the best practice when a horse is first time in the action we keep the new ones in between the experienced calm horses. This was the old days of horse training in my country (Hungary), as a foal learned everything from it's mom what life is like around humans, always learn new things in the company of experienced horses. I appreciate your lessons, we don't have this luxury anymore, learning from you, since we have a dominant young mare.
We make things so difficult when we don't have mature solid horses.. 😅 I have a boss mare too. She's ride and drive but a bit scared of big lorries and won't listen. She's only a pony, if I knew anyone with an old cart horse we could probably sort it in no time.
Thank you for sharing this. I love your systematic analysis. I love also that your Most Beloved Wife, Dr Emily, is a horse and human physio, and that as a matter of course possible pain is always ruled out first. You and Em are a terrific team, and here on You Tube we benefit from your combined wisdom even if Em isn’t visually present. I love your Patreon content, too. Great value.
Ryan, that horse jammed his atlas on the right side. That's why his right ear is down and he is shaking his head so much. He might also have jammed his TMJ on that side. Also check his hyoid. (I'm a veterinary chiropractor).
His attitude immediately changed with the bridle. There is something off about his ears or bit. I'm really enjoying the video and training but I'm pausing about why he's doing the head shaking.
Def want to see part 3! Love this guy and watching him progress. I think he’s learning to trust more than anything. So thankful you can help him! Seems he’s been mishandled.
Love watching Ryan Rose training sessions! My favorite horse trainer on YT! :) I've got to agree with everyone who says, this horse seems to have pain in his mouth. He needs to be seen by an equine dentist. Also I highly suspect he has ulcers and might be why his sensitivity around his flanks. I know it was mentioned in the previous video that he had ulcers and it was treated, but ulcers do come back. Might also be the reason why he started as docile for a month and then he transformed, as the ulcers kicked in. Changing owners/places and feed schedule can be a stressful situation to a horse, which would definitely cause it. (the ulcers). I'm sure Ryan has the knowledge and love to help this beautiful boy!
I love the soft, patient way Ryan works with this horse. A very well known horseman used to always say “ never rush a horse” and Ryan’s willingness to meet the horse where he is and adapt his methods and timeline to meet the horse’s needs is commendable. I do want to comment on the horse’s very labored breathing even after it appears he’s been standing for a bit. I’ve only seen that type of panting breathing in a horse that isn’t sweating in a couple of horses I’ve known that had anhidrosis. It appears from the palm trees this is a hot climate - FL, AZ - where incidences of anhidrosis in horses are much more common than in cooler climates. His breathing is more like a racehorse after a race than a horse that is doing a little bit of relatively slow ground work.
You made the comment that we the viewers would like it if you got your cowboy on for the videos. I wanted to say o really enjoy your videos due to the fact that you DON'T cowboy the horse instead you teach them. So I just 2ant3d to say thank you on the behalf of the horses you work with and for teaching others that there are ways of doing without endangering you and the horse. Ride safe
I think both Ryan and the owner have been involved with enough horses to know to first sort out possible pain issues. Ryan is not an idiot and the owner is clearly a caring and devoted horse owner. I trust Ryan.
Very cool and interesting series with this horse, I hope there will be a part 3. Might also be worth checking his teeth, they can often be a problem that is not immediately obvious, but cause pain to the horse. This horse is really gorgeous too, love the videos! 🥰👍
It's very interesting how his whole demeanor changed once you asked for lateral flexion with the bit. Looks like you definitely identified one major source of his body tensions and behavior issues. I think he has the potential to be a great horse; it's fun watching you help this guy sort through his troubles
This horse has improved greatly since the last video- he is beautiful so I hope he gets to where he needs to be for his owner; your videos are enjoyable to watch and it is always amazing to see the transformation in the horses
One example for being calm is when I was at an endurance race riding a young warm blood and it was cool and windy at the start and the wind caught a hold of the tent at the register area and it flew off over our heads…there was about 30 horses standing around me and they all reacted and some began to frek out so I grabbed the reins of my daughters horse while I was mounted and said whoa loudly and since my large 17.2 hand horse stood there… all the horses looked my way and didn’t run off… lol … a similar thing happened when I was riding my appy out in the field with my family and my older daughter’s standard bred who thinks he is a stud did a loud blowout thru his nose and stood there like a clown watching the other horses run … one horse ran right into my horse’s ribs and I yelled whoa and the other horses stopped and looked while I laughed holding the morab and my lovely appy never moved… I miss her dearly…😢… she foundered right after a west Nile vaccine and had to be put down:( she was a wild mustang and was one of the nicest most honest horse I ever rode.
I am so sorry for your loss. I spoke with Ft Dodge vet after a competition horse had a paralyzed LF for several days after a vaccine. There are huge numbers of adverse events.
Not surprised peoples first thought were pain...... I was thinking wolf teeth! But the way he softened and relaxed was really nice! 🥰🥰 After more than 40 years with horses (both work and hobby) I have several scary stories! 😅😅 But also stories so precious you must have been ther to believe them! ❤❤ Horses are phenomenal and they teach you new skills all the time!!!
I agree about pain. A lot of bad behavior is from pain. Snaffle bits cause severe scarring on the roof and bars of the mouth. UC Davis discovered this many moons ago. It’s one of the worst things you can use. I absolutely love this man’s training..but what many trainers don’t and can’t out of lack of knowledge is the equipment.. I was an equine vet assistant for many years. Find a bit that your horse is happy with. A soft curb usually does the trick both western & English. Then make sure the saddle isn’t pinching or rubbing. You’ll need experts in that field to help if you’re having issues. Poor horses try to communicate their discomfort and pain…usually no one’s listening.
Had a horse at our yard that was a jumper, had ulcers , he became so dangerous even after treated he couldnt be ridden. He had the sweetest nature you could tack him up even hack out at a walk, but anything above that nope. So the big guy 17hh cross warmblood , became the best friend to any new horses that arrived . Vet had said he thought as the ulcers had been pretty bad, he wondered if pain rememberance was a trigger.
Thank you for showing your response to him pulling that badly on the bit. Sometimes i feel like I'm doing too much or too little when they respond like that, but you showed a nice medium.
I would think he has hock pain … he moves like it … even his stifle joints move oddly… perhaps needs his stifles injected with good joint acid and those hocks X-rayed … he is a large horse and the hocks go first and then the stifles and then the spinal column.
A friend put a saddle on her horse and it had a strap that kind of tickled its belly, not a back cinch, and her horse bucked like crazy, and she got really hurt. Good to see how to be safe rather than sorry and get them used to things. Love the check list. Good to also hear the thought processes, why you are using the bit instead of the other tools.
Gotta agree with momislazy, has this horse been vetted for any chiropractic issues? Teeth issues? If he was an ex-jumping horse, he may have jarred something out of whack. He looks like he's trying but having pain and can't do it. Especially with the shaking of the head after each time...
Agreed. Dental exam and chiropractic would be my thoughts as well. The poor guy seems willing to learn and accept what Ryan is teaching but there’s possibly some thing else happening
I noticed this in the first video and see it here as well: This fella really communicates a lot with his ears. It's very interesting to watch. He's quite lovely and seems to be doing a lot of the normal things horses do when they're learning. He looks pretty when he bucks! 😁
Oh that was beautiful to see. I love animals. Just as a human needs respect ,so does a horse or any animal need respect. He is a really great trainer who reads the horse very well and understands the animal. As well as mentally of the horse of his emotions .
Riding a young (3yr old) nice and quiet and relaxed and he came unglued when the neighbor’s dog ran under his feet. Went from relaxed to upside down in a heartbeat.
U had a similar experience, Was riding last in line, about 10 horses, and everything was dine. The 3 year old I was riding was as gentle as anyone could wish for. Suddenly all the horses just took off in all directions, riders went flying everywhere:D My young one just did not know where to go, where to put his feet, where to run or anything, his feet made this insane dance.. but he never left the spot. Lol, it was not my expert riding that kept me in the saddle.,, it was his total confusion, lol.
As a massage therapist I would gently massage his gums and lips, also pulling gently his lips (especially the corners where the bit touches) top and bottom in any and all directions, and check his A-O joint for misalignment. Most jumpers are ridden with a lot of mouth gear and have dead mouths as well as pain so your plan to work more with the bit is a good one. When I have a horse with similar reactions to the bit, I massage the gums and lips first then softly massage with the bit, and sometimes work his gums and lips with the bit in. Also check the masseter and frontal muscles for pain/tension.
His wife is a physical therapist for horses, they always do a full evaluation to rule out pain, illness or other medical problems first. The horse is not in pain, he is reacting to bad memories.
i ride a horse which is very introverted and sometimes she bucks out of the blue. we have checked her saddle she got a new one now and we checked her for ulcers and we had to treat her. But I am still not sure if these issues were the whole reason for her to buck. she is a very brave horse but she reacts to sound (street). sometimes i feel that she gets stuck just as you said in that video. Your videos really help to get new inputs in how to check and finding out where the problem is. really appreciate it!
I started training an ardenner to be a wagon horse. She is really introverted and can blow up out of nowhere and she don't allow leading from behind. She took of 2 times with the pulling lines and lost all connection. Now we went to saddle training with your fundamentele training and she does brilliantly. It's a draft horse that doesn't want to draft 😂. But your training videos have helped a lot. So thank you for your help and InSite
I’m not really a riding guy, but I do like driving. I bought a “broke” Belgian, he would line drive nicely. First time I hitched him….disaster! I’ve learned through reading and you tube video’s, like yours, I am just as much to blame as he is. So for the past half a year I’ve been working on him and me. When you see the results of your training…..priceless.👍✌️
Hi Ryan, I'm just seeing this vid so I'm hoping someone or yourself has made similar observation of this very lovely horse. As a long time subscriber, I greatly enjoy your work and helps me keep my skills sharp. For this horse though, I'd like to share the observation is this horse is giving all the signs, politely, that he has cervical vertabrae out of place. May even in his lumbar but his reaction to (one side) flexion request and then all the head/neck shaking is indicative of nect pain/pinching. He was doing an excessive amount of head shaking, even when no pressure involved. He isn't spooking, he's getting a pinch twinge in his spine somewhere. Jumping horses are subjected to an incredible amount of concussion upon landings from hooves through entire body which could easily put cervical joint out of place or cause pinching. Or, he's had a jumping crash. This would explain so much of his 'sudden' change of behavior even though he's 'trying' to be compliant. Maybe he has been seen by chiropractor but as you know that not all trainers are created equal, neither are chiropractors. It would be interesting to see him after a visit from Dr. Doug Willen. He's the most thorough practitioner I've ever seen (I've worked and viewed several over nearly forty years) and would be worth it for the future of the horse.
Teeth? Amazing to remember at this stage that we put each others life in our hands / hooves. Out there on the trail anything can happen and to have that bond of trust both ways is such an honor and responsibility. I love the sharing of senses and both of you knowing you are looking out for each other. I worked "metal free" for a while, (no bits or shoes), and to my surprise found the going was easy. Feeling the proper grip in the feet and easy head response felt good. Had the right horse. I have met horses who don't like the flapping bits of straps around their face. The bridle was ok when all the strap end keepers were sorted. Nice work Ryan. Thanks.
It could be teeth. But it's important to remember that this horse has also had a lot of time off so it could just be getting used to it again. As for the metal free thing, it's important to remember that not every horse will be okay in a bitless not to mention you're putting direct pressure on their nose which has more sensitive nerves and can cause a lot of distress. It just depends on the horse though
@@NuggieIsMissingAbsolutely. Very gentle hands and it has to be the right horse. Good point on the time off. I've seen horses go feral more than once! Great fun bringing them back into work. I met one that if it heard a human speak it would disappear into the woods. All I could do was sit in the paddock and make silly noises to get her back! Curiosity got the better of her in the end but real slow work. Horse time is not like human time. I swear they have a sense of humor. Gotta love them.
Something very common in show jumping and cross country is over-bitting, basically using a leverage or twisted wire bit (or both) combined with a tight drop noseband to prevent them opening their mouth. Which might explain his reaction to bit pressure in the flexing. He is expecting pain from the bit and proactively fighting it. Its not uncommon to see horses bleeding from the mouth during professional show jumping comps.
Exactly my thought too! All these comments saying it's a medical issue, but I think it's a learned issue from remembered pain. Even without harsh bits, people can be cruel with the hands.
@@evelynwaugh4053 Unfortunately you only need to watch professional eventing to see that double twisted wire gag bits, combined with a lever noseband, chain under the jaw, and a martingale, are legal and used. Marilyn Little rode a horse Scandalous in just such a combo in 2018 if you google you'll see blood in the horses mouth
Yep Ryan, had one flip over on his back. Reared straight up and came down on his back. Had we not been in a round pen with fairly soft sand, I’d have been mashed. As it was, I broke my left hand when the saddle came down as I put my hand up in defense.
Thanks for the videos.what you say about the Horse being able to pick up the calm in the person needing to be thaught i find realy interesting.that is definitaly something i havent thought of before and it makes sense.so thank you.i love when the Horse finaly comes out of himself and starts being a Horse again with all those innate atributes like willingness,curiosity and play.thats where joy finds its place .before he had a lot of brasses.
Ryan you are a wonderful horseman. I’m worried that there is limited time with this horse. I honestly don’t think the owner is suitable for him. She has young children I think she said. This horse needs someone with a bit more masculine energy in my opinion. I say this because I recently came off a horse that you would think was calm. I was calm and he suddenly snatch d the reins and put his head right down. I lost my balance as I’d not ridden in a while due to having surgery and he saw me lean forward and spooked right out from under me. I was so lucky not to be badly hurt. I did fracture my spine but not badly. Who needs that though? Not sure what the answer is but please don’t get hurt.
Personally, I don't like the way his back end is moving at a trot or canter. Actually, on both sides, whether he goes right or left. I don't like any of his responses, especially with his head. This is an agitated horse. Not a horse that needs training. He's acting like this because he hurts. If he's been looked at by an equine chiropractor, I'd be finding another chiro. When this gelding's owner said people couldn't believe she owned this horse, wow, did that bring back memories. Years ago, 20 to be exact, I adopted a gorgeous horse from a rescue. Paid a handsome sum for her, too....and just like this owner, people couldn't believe I now owned this mare. Then the former farrier wanted to talk to me. He actually said, "I know she's beautiful, but she's not worth getting hurt over"...and it went on and on....the stories I heard that an equitation stable did to her were horrible. She was a horse in pain. I kept seeing something in the back end, when everyone else said she was fine. Well, she wasn't fine. Finally found a chiro...and my gosh, this horse was out all over...ribs, neck, pelvis. Her back end was sooo bad, we kept putting it back in place, then it would go out. The chiro said she had been out for sooo long, she wasn't sure she would ever be right. My vet knew the rescue, got in my face and told me to give her back, that I didn't cause her issue, the previous owners did. Gave her back, cried my eyes out. Stupid owner and the stable ruined a beautiful, beautiful mare.
except that the horse has already been evaluated for pain... Ryan's wife is fully qualified to make that assessment as she has demonstrated in a couple other videos.
I had an experience with an Arabian mare once where she bolted into a gallop with me during a riding lesson. She heard my trainer ask if I wanted to canter, I said no, but she anticipated canter, took off, and then started galloping with me. I was calm and relaxed for two laps and was trying to just ride it out but eventually I lost my balance and fell off. :)
I hear “he used to jump. A “jumping” horse. My limited knowledge says he wore a saddle. But as the video progresses, I realize he wore an English (?) saddle. Gentle, knowledgeable and caring trainer.
I've definitely been in a situation where the horse I was riding was NOT connected with me & freaking out a bit, but I was cool as a cucumber. I'd taken over the Horsemanship program at my school & we were riding in the Pony Express parade. A lot of extra noises that our horses don't hear on a regular basis. The horse I was riding has been in the parade before. The ride itself was decent. He needed a few reminders of his manners, but nothing out of control or over the top. At the end of the parade, we had to stand still while the Pony Express Riders were being sworn in. My horse would NOT sit still. He kept dancing around and wouldn't listen to my commands. I was completely calm. He just wasn't connected with me or receiving my low energy. Now I know what kind of work I need to do with him before next years ride.
Maybe he has some kind of orthopedic problem in his neck so the bending is uncomfortable or hurts? The head shaking when he is asked to do it is suspicious.
His wife is a physical therapist for horses, they always do a full evaluation to rule out pain, illness or other medical problems first. The horse is not in pain, he is reacting to bad memories.
It seems he's more challenged on his right side, both with the knuckle pressure to the ribs, and with his neck. Perhaps he needs a chiropractic adjustment? I love your videos Ryan! (watching from the UK)
Enjoying this and your process and narration. The reaction to the bit with right flexion and his head shaking after made me wonder if there’s some sort of pain. Teeth or trigeminal nerve? It didn’t seem completely behavioral to me, I though he really seemed a bit physically uncomfortable. Maybe I’ll find out in the next video.
He seems jammed in the atlas. The left lateral flexion response leads me to a trigeminal nerve impingement on that side. Yes he came around but isn’t that what horses do for us 💕 Also, check his hyoid 💫 This was a great training series! Thank you Ryan ❤️
You are right. As a view I’m slightly disappointed to have never seen things “go western” with you astride. On the other hand I really appreciate all the info you provide to help me never have to ride through “going western.” Luckily our gelding is fairly low response. He’s done crow hopping a couple times but quits instantly if put into a turn and those hops aren’t much rougher than his trot so even I don’t fall off. I find my own ways to end up on the ground 😂.
Dramatic reaction to bit being pulled to right with defensive posturing, head shaking, holding right ear laterally maybe indicative of tooth pain or some other neural sensitivity inside or outside the oral cavity. Might have been cooking for awhile. Might be why he was ok with new owner for first 30 days. Just a thought.
I'm wondering if this horse soured on jumping and ended up a real mess. Learned to avoid jumps by going off base we when required to turn to the right..... Knew a trainer yrs ago that bought a jumping horse...seller showed horse over one jump. He bought the horse, set up several jumps, and found that the first jump was fine, but the horse went bananas on the 2nd jump and was flat out dangerous!
I love your training videos and your style. Yes I got a horse story to share. I’ll put it like this: I remember the first time I ever saw the crazy horse monument. I thought to myself, that’s definitely not me! And that’s definitely not my crazy horse! First, they didn’t get my nose right and second, my eyes were a lot lot bigger and opened wide at the time! My expression was one of shock disbelief and dismay. And my hair was completely wild and undone. And that’s all I have to share about that and my crazy horse of yester year.
And yes, I did it again... better the next time... these video lessons are super awesome and helpful! Thank you! and I hoped you enjoyed my horse (aka horrors) story and I'm glad I can look back at it and laugh, sort of
Was riding a horse about 6 months ago that was very spooky before me and thought we had worked enough that it was safe but it definitely turned into a try to hold on. He spooked and bolted
Have his teeth been checked? Is it possible he has had a neck injury? I would ask a vet to have a look in his mouth at the very least. Try flexion without a bit in to see if he still shows pain on flexion.
Many people in the comments for both videos of Esprit are saying he's in pain. Riddled with ulcers? Did you check in his mouth? Sure, this could be behavioral but chronic pain and cancer is on the rise big time, especially in his type.
He's shaking his head; holding his right ear at an odd angle, as soon as the snaffle went in...an awful lot of mouthiness. Is that head gear bothering him, do you think?
Stupid tax I really think paid off: I decided to slowly and calmly lead my new lease into his stall when I knew he had dragged a few students in, bolting from pretty much the moment their lesson was done and they left the arena. Managed to step into the stall first, but was nearly run over. We’ve been working on following and yielding a lot since then and get better every time 😊
Riding a 5 year old down a quiet road with another calm bombproof horse in front. Almost at the trail and a pedal biker wizzed by us at 20mph. My horse started broc bucking, I fell off 5th bronc landing on the pavement. Had on a safety vest but broke my tailbone, huge hematoma on my right elbow and cracked my trauma void helmet when my head smacked back hitting the pavement. He did not stop fear bucking. I had to roll away. No spatial awareness. Needless to say we are following your ground work
To be honest, when I work with horses, and they do something strange, or unexpected, I think of them like babies… in that sometimes they get upset or uncomfortable from something irritating them physically that we aren’t tuned in to. Like a baby being too hot or to cold or being pinched by the seat belt or having a tag rubbing them. To me, when the bridle went on and the head shaking began, his right ear was floppy looking. He appeared to either have a bug INSIDE his ear, or the bridle was pulling his hair, or pinching him. He obviously had issues with the bit as well, but I feel like if the trainer had stopped and taken note of the strange behavior, he might have noticed the ear. After the apparent “irritation” ceased, the head shaking stopped.
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Ridden not rode, dear. Use correct grammar when you speak. you sound a lot more professional when you use the right words
He’s in pain!
You need to x- ray him!
I'm impressed that you didn't "cowboy up" , but adjusted your training plan to circumstances.
That's right, training.
I agree
No wonder most good trainers don’t post their good work. I see a lot of comments about pain. No, the horse is not in pain. Ryan is re-training him. We need the Ryan’s of the world! I am grateful for his leadership and willingness to endure online critics who never saw the horse in person. Thanks for the video.
I agree I feel like it's the easy fast answer for some people to just say oh pain that's why not because lack of training. Sme thing going on with parents today with their poorly behaved kids it's never the sugar or discipline to blame it always some "medical generality" problem.
Agreed! “Oh he’s in pain. Oh he’s lame.” Always making excuses for horses with holes in their training. That’s how I see it. I do not see what everyone is fussing over. Horses are STILL animals at the end of the day with minds of their own and can make their own decisions. They’re not absolutely perfect til they hurt. Idk why people think this.
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Keyboard trainers. That says it all.
We do need more Ryan's
If it were pain, as so many keyboard trainers have suggested on here, the horse would not have softened and done better after an hour. He would not have become unstuck at that last minute of the video. If it were physical pain, he would have just gotten worse. Mr. Rose was 100% correct in his approach in dealing with the mental and emotional problems in this horse. You cannot see in a video all the things that you can see while on the ground actually handling the horse. You cannot learn from watching what is happening if you are suggesting from a distance that you already suspect you know what is happening.
Sure you have a point but did you see how heavily he was breathing to the point his nostrils flared out.
@@tanyaoellermann I did. I have seen a lot of angry, spoiled horses do the exact same thing when they are asked to do something that they don’t want to do and have gotten away with saying no before.
I guess you're a keyboard trainer too
@@lorimcentarfer7413 Nope. I do it in real life for a living.
I have pain (mostly back and knees) every morning when I get up. After an hour or so of moving, I soften up too😉
So glad you can show us how important it is to work with the horse where they are at. It's way smarter to adjust plans than it is to force a horse to do something.
Not a horse guy.... thank you so much for showing how this is done. I have had opportunities to ride but have a great deal of respect (and caution) for the size and power of these animals. The subtleties have obviously taken you many years to learn. My friends with horses have never given me the slightest glimmer of these sensibilities.
I like his comment: be prepared, not lucky
I am so glad the owner hired you to work with her horse. This horse needs you Ryan.
Hahaha I was riding my mare on the trails bridleless as we've done plenty times and I had closed my eyes to feel all her movements, totally relaxed and the next thing I knew I was on the ground and she was half way across the field 😂
The current craze of bitless riding is so insane to me. I have seen so many accidents happen.. and anybody that I know that has ridden bitless successfully, usually only does so in an arena and has trained their horse with a bit. I agree you should be able to ride your horse bitless if it's trained properly but that doesn't mean you ride them bitless all the time, anymore than you allow your child or your young toddler to run loose all the time just because you've taught them to stay with you. The attention span of a horse and a young child is very short and limited to,oh what's that over there?
@slidenapps You just like bits because you don't trust your horse. You sound like those people who are like "If you wear a helmet you're showing your horse you don't trust them." Horses are prey animals, and when you're riding, it's definitely "It's not if you fall off, it's when." And sure, riding bitless can increase the risk if you have not done proper training with your horse. But you could have an angel horse, and they could still throw you, because HORSES ARE PREY ANIMALS. But riding bitless can also be really good for bonding with your horse and getting them really tuned into your more minute movements, instead of the discomfort and force and bleeding that some bits can cause.
They are not hurting the horse by riding bitless, so your opinion is not needed or wanted.
I am a "reknewed" rider. I used to ride when I was young. I am now 52 years old and haven't rode in 20 years. The first time I rode, I got thrown. Then I bought a beautiful horse that was trained really well. But since I was thrown I was afraid. He got barn spoiled and now I am more nervous. I am now taking riding lessons. Its me, I am the problem. I am learning everyday and I can't wait to ride my horse. Thank you for your videos!
I am so happy that you realize it's not the horse. So many people do not realize how quickly they can ruin a horse. It doesn't take a lot. Enjoy your riding journey.
Shame a beautiful horse like this who’s clearly athletic and smart has been mishandled. I can’t stop looking at him, he’s just so handsome.
I agree. This really is such a beautiful horse. Just stunning. It's such a shame that someone mishandled him. I bet otherwise he would be such a gentle thing. He seems like a horse that likes to take his time to think about things, which tells you a lot about his intelligence. I'd love to have that horse. I can't stop looking at him, either. Just an absolutely beautiful horse.
Such a gorgeous horse. I can see why she had her eye on him. Shame on the previous owner and trainer for misleading
I'm not sure he's been mishandled in the normal use of that term. I think he has been handled by people who don't know how to correctly handle a horse that is more sensitive than your average backyard type.
We do battle reactment and take a big deal of training horse to stay calm in many different disturbing circumstances, but at home to make the total battle experience is impossible, so the best practice when a horse is first time in the action we keep the new ones in between the experienced calm horses. This was the old days of horse training in my country (Hungary), as a foal learned everything from it's mom what life is like around humans, always learn new things in the company of experienced horses. I appreciate your lessons, we don't have this luxury anymore, learning from you, since we have a dominant young mare.
We make things so difficult when we don't have mature solid horses.. 😅 I have a boss mare too. She's ride and drive but a bit scared of big lorries and won't listen. She's only a pony, if I knew anyone with an old cart horse we could probably sort it in no time.
Thank you for sharing this. I love your systematic analysis. I love also that your Most Beloved Wife, Dr Emily, is a horse and human physio, and that as a matter of course possible pain is always ruled out first. You and Em are a terrific team, and here on You Tube we benefit from your combined wisdom even if Em isn’t visually present. I love your Patreon content, too. Great value.
Ryan, that horse jammed his atlas on the right side. That's why his right ear is down and he is shaking his head so much. He might also have jammed his TMJ on that side. Also check his hyoid. (I'm a veterinary chiropractor).
My thoughts exactly
His attitude immediately changed with the bridle. There is something off about his ears or bit. I'm really enjoying the video and training but I'm pausing about why he's doing the head shaking.
Once again watching body language of the horse. I honestly wish more folks could understand it. You explain it very well.
Def want to see part 3! Love this guy and watching him progress. I think he’s learning to trust more than anything. So thankful you can help him! Seems he’s been mishandled.
Poor guy seems to be handled wrong and was bullied..
Thank you for taking the time to open up a healthy communication..
Love watching Ryan Rose training sessions! My favorite horse trainer on YT! :)
I've got to agree with everyone who says, this horse seems to have pain in his mouth. He needs to be seen by an equine dentist. Also I highly suspect he has ulcers and might be why his sensitivity around his flanks. I know it was mentioned in the previous video that he had ulcers and it was treated, but ulcers do come back. Might also be the reason why he started as docile for a month and then he transformed, as the ulcers kicked in. Changing owners/places and feed schedule can be a stressful situation to a horse, which would definitely cause it. (the ulcers). I'm sure Ryan has the knowledge and love to help this beautiful boy!
This is a beautiful, sensitive horse. What a good boy he is actually Great heart.
I love the soft, patient way Ryan works with this horse. A very well known horseman used to always say “ never rush a horse” and Ryan’s willingness to meet the horse where he is and adapt his methods and timeline to meet the horse’s needs is commendable. I do want to comment on the horse’s very labored breathing even after it appears he’s been standing for a bit. I’ve only seen that type of panting breathing in a horse that isn’t sweating in a couple of horses I’ve known that had anhidrosis. It appears from the palm trees this is a hot climate - FL, AZ - where incidences of anhidrosis in horses are much more common than in cooler climates. His breathing is more like a racehorse after a race than a horse that is doing a little bit of relatively slow ground work.
You made the comment that we the viewers would like it if you got your cowboy on for the videos. I wanted to say o really enjoy your videos due to the fact that you DON'T cowboy the horse instead you teach them. So I just 2ant3d to say thank you on the behalf of the horses you work with and for teaching others that there are ways of doing without endangering you and the horse. Ride safe
I think both Ryan and the owner have been involved with enough horses to know to first sort out possible pain issues. Ryan is not an idiot and the owner is clearly a caring and devoted horse owner. I trust Ryan.
I really like this horse! Can't wait to see the progress!
Your patience and understanding is incredible!
I enjoy seeing the process & I am glad you are taking it slow. Good for you!!
Very cool and interesting series with this horse, I hope there will be a part 3. Might also be worth checking his teeth, they can often be a problem that is not immediately obvious, but cause pain to the horse. This horse is really gorgeous too, love the videos! 🥰👍
Yep, my young warmblood is coming to you in a couple months for this reason - can’t wait to see his progress!
Ryan is the real deal. He has helped me tremendously. He can read the horses so well. He helped me gain more confidence
It's very interesting how his whole demeanor changed once you asked for lateral flexion with the bit. Looks like you definitely identified one major source of his body tensions and behavior issues. I think he has the potential to be a great horse; it's fun watching you help this guy sort through his troubles
He truly is a beautiful horse
Thank you for continuing to share updates on the progress. This is a very interesting horse to see your interactions.
loved seeing the progress and how you are working through his past issues and really taking the time he needs.
This horse has improved greatly since the last video- he is beautiful so I hope he gets to where he needs to be for his owner; your videos are enjoyable to watch and it is always amazing to see the transformation in the horses
He reminds me of one of the geldings I have here and his responses are similar during ground work. Looking forward to the next video 😊
Head shaking with bit, he’s not acting disrespectful
So impressive. Love that feel you’re offering this guy. Really pretty work.
One example for being calm is when I was at an endurance race riding a young warm blood and it was cool and windy at the start and the wind caught a hold of the tent at the register area and it flew off over our heads…there was about 30 horses standing around me and they all reacted and some began to frek out so I grabbed the reins of my daughters horse while I was mounted and said whoa loudly and since my large 17.2 hand horse stood there… all the horses looked my way and didn’t run off… lol … a similar thing happened when I was riding my appy out in the field with my family and my older daughter’s standard bred who thinks he is a stud did a loud blowout thru his nose and stood there like a clown watching the other horses run … one horse ran right into my horse’s ribs and I yelled whoa and the other horses stopped and looked while I laughed holding the morab and my lovely appy never moved… I miss her dearly…😢… she foundered right after a west Nile vaccine and had to be put down:( she was a wild mustang and was one of the nicest most honest horse I ever rode.
I am so sorry for your loss. I spoke with Ft Dodge vet after a competition horse had a paralyzed LF for several days after a vaccine. There are huge numbers of adverse events.
Not surprised peoples first thought were pain...... I was thinking wolf teeth! But the way he softened and relaxed was really nice! 🥰🥰 After more than 40 years with horses (both work and hobby) I have several scary stories! 😅😅 But also stories so precious you must have been ther to believe them! ❤❤ Horses are phenomenal and they teach you new skills all the time!!!
I agree about pain. A lot of bad behavior is from pain. Snaffle bits cause severe scarring on the roof and bars of the mouth. UC Davis discovered this many moons ago. It’s one of the worst things you can use. I absolutely love this man’s training..but what many trainers don’t and can’t out of lack of knowledge is the equipment.. I was an equine vet assistant for many years. Find a bit that your horse is happy with. A soft curb usually does the trick both western & English. Then make sure the saddle isn’t pinching or rubbing. You’ll need experts in that field to help if you’re having issues. Poor horses try to communicate their discomfort and pain…usually no one’s listening.
Again so expertly done Ryan. The horse thanks you
All that head shaking during and after lateral flexion to the right…something tickles? hurts? pinches? ears? neck? teeth?
being slow to win is the opposite of being quick to lose.
Had a horse at our yard that was a jumper, had ulcers , he became so dangerous even after treated he couldnt be ridden. He had the sweetest nature you could tack him up even hack out at a walk, but anything above that nope. So the big guy 17hh cross warmblood , became the best friend to any new horses that arrived . Vet had said he thought as the ulcers had been pretty bad, he wondered if pain rememberance was a trigger.
It’s so relaxing to see the interactions between human and horse. It seems really subtle.
Great video! Such a nice horse and glad you are involved! Looking forward to seeing the progress!!
Thank you for showing your response to him pulling that badly on the bit. Sometimes i feel like I'm doing too much or too little when they respond like that, but you showed a nice medium.
You know when everyone is saying pain, regardless of.him being checked out a second opinion is good to have. Beautiful boy.
I hope you keep this series going. Have one with less baggage but more "electric" and this is very interesting to watch and learn from
The head shaking with the lateral flexion almost as if he has pain
yep that right side id guess has something going on in either c6-c7 or tmj maybe
Had the same thought. Would have a vet check him out.
I would think he has hock pain … he moves like it … even his stifle joints move oddly… perhaps needs his stifles injected with good joint acid and those hocks X-rayed … he is a large horse and the hocks go first and then the stifles and then the spinal column.
yup, saw the hock or stifle issue early in the video as well. @@lakota123max
I was wondering that watching the first video of the horse moving. Hope no pain.💜
A friend put a saddle on her horse and it had a strap that kind of tickled its belly, not a back cinch, and her horse bucked like crazy, and she got really hurt. Good to see how to be safe rather than sorry and get them used to things. Love the check list. Good to also hear the thought processes, why you are using the bit instead of the other tools.
Gotta agree with momislazy, has this horse been vetted for any chiropractic issues? Teeth issues? If he was an ex-jumping horse, he may have jarred something out of whack. He looks like he's trying but having pain and can't do it. Especially with the shaking of the head after each time...
The thing is though none of it showed up when the pressure came from the halter, implying that the bit is the problem. Could be teeth I suppose...
Something definitely wrong with this horses body 😢
Agreed. Dental exam and chiropractic would be my thoughts as well. The poor guy seems willing to learn and accept what Ryan is teaching but there’s possibly some thing else happening
May still be hurting from ulcers
His wife is a physical tharipist-and they always check to make sure it isn't pain
I LOVE ❤️ ❤ the horses that you work on, Ryan, they are so GORGEOUS AND HANDSOME!!
I noticed this in the first video and see it here as well: This fella really communicates a lot with his ears. It's very interesting to watch. He's quite lovely and seems to be doing a lot of the normal things horses do when they're learning. He looks pretty when he bucks! 😁
Oh that was beautiful to see. I love animals. Just as a human needs respect ,so does a horse or any animal need respect. He is a really great trainer who reads the horse very well and understands the animal. As well as mentally of the horse of his emotions .
Mesmerized by these videos!! You’re a real horse whisperer. Thank you for sharing your knowledge ❤
Riding a young (3yr old) nice and quiet and relaxed and he came unglued when the neighbor’s dog ran under his feet. Went from relaxed to upside down in a heartbeat.
U had a similar experience, Was riding last in line, about 10 horses, and everything was dine. The 3 year old I was riding was as gentle as anyone could wish for. Suddenly all the horses just took off in all directions, riders went flying everywhere:D My young one just did not know where to go, where to put his feet, where to run or anything, his feet made this insane dance.. but he never left the spot. Lol, it was not my expert riding that kept me in the saddle.,, it was his total confusion, lol.
As a massage therapist I would gently massage his gums and lips, also pulling gently his lips (especially the corners where the bit touches) top and bottom in any and all directions, and check his A-O joint for misalignment. Most jumpers are ridden with a lot of mouth gear and have dead mouths as well as pain so your plan to work more with the bit is a good one. When I have a horse with similar reactions to the bit, I massage the gums and lips first then softly massage with the bit, and sometimes work his gums and lips with the bit in. Also check the masseter and frontal muscles for pain/tension.
His wife is a physical therapist for horses, they always do a full evaluation to rule out pain, illness or other medical problems first.
The horse is not in pain, he is reacting to bad memories.
@@Goldenhawk583 I agree
well we learned alot today. I am glad he is working through it. Thank you for helping him out.
i ride a horse which is very introverted and sometimes she bucks out of the blue. we have checked her saddle she got a new one now and we checked her for ulcers and we had to treat her. But I am still not sure if these issues were the whole reason for her to buck. she is a very brave horse but she reacts to sound (street). sometimes i feel that she gets stuck just as you said in that video. Your videos really help to get new inputs in how to check and finding out where the problem is. really appreciate it!
I started training an ardenner to be a wagon horse. She is really introverted and can blow up out of nowhere and she don't allow leading from behind. She took of 2 times with the pulling lines and lost all connection. Now we went to saddle training with your fundamentele training and she does brilliantly. It's a draft horse that doesn't want to draft 😂. But your training videos have helped a lot. So thank you for your help and InSite
So thankful for these videos, and thank you for giving us the Patreon information
I’m not really a riding guy, but I do like driving. I bought a “broke” Belgian, he would line drive nicely. First time I hitched him….disaster! I’ve learned through reading and you tube video’s, like yours, I am just as much to blame as he is. So for the past half a year I’ve been working on him and me. When you see the results of your training…..priceless.👍✌️
It seems as though he may have pain in his mouth. Have his teeth been done? Head shaking…..throwing it up…..chewing. Something hurts.
Hi Ryan, I'm just seeing this vid so I'm hoping someone or yourself has made similar observation of this very lovely horse. As a long time subscriber, I greatly enjoy your work and helps me keep my skills sharp. For this horse though, I'd like to share the observation is this horse is giving all the signs, politely, that he has cervical vertabrae out of place. May even in his lumbar but his reaction to (one side) flexion request and then all the head/neck shaking is indicative of nect pain/pinching. He was doing an excessive amount of head shaking, even when no pressure involved. He isn't spooking, he's getting a pinch twinge in his spine somewhere. Jumping horses are subjected to an incredible amount of concussion upon landings from hooves through entire body which could easily put cervical joint out of place or cause pinching. Or, he's had a jumping crash. This would explain so much of his 'sudden' change of behavior even though he's 'trying' to be compliant. Maybe he has been seen by chiropractor but as you know that not all trainers are created equal, neither are chiropractors. It would be interesting to see him after a visit from Dr. Doug Willen. He's the most thorough practitioner I've ever seen (I've worked and viewed several over nearly forty years) and would be worth it for the future of the horse.
Teeth? Amazing to remember at this stage that we put each others life in our hands / hooves. Out there on the trail anything can happen and to have that bond of trust both ways is such an honor and responsibility. I love the sharing of senses and both of you knowing you are looking out for each other. I worked "metal free" for a while, (no bits or shoes), and to my surprise found the going was easy. Feeling the proper grip in the feet and easy head response felt good. Had the right horse. I have met horses who don't like the flapping bits of straps around their face. The bridle was ok when all the strap end keepers were sorted. Nice work Ryan. Thanks.
It could be teeth. But it's important to remember that this horse has also had a lot of time off so it could just be getting used to it again. As for the metal free thing, it's important to remember that not every horse will be okay in a bitless not to mention you're putting direct pressure on their nose which has more sensitive nerves and can cause a lot of distress. It just depends on the horse though
@@NuggieIsMissingAbsolutely. Very gentle hands and it has to be the right horse. Good point on the time off. I've seen horses go feral more than once! Great fun bringing them back into work. I met one that if it heard a human speak it would disappear into the woods. All I could do was sit in the paddock and make silly noises to get her back! Curiosity got the better of her in the end but real slow work. Horse time is not like human time. I swear they have a sense of humor. Gotta love them.
When you bend his head to the right, it makes me wonder if he has something going on with his teeth based off his reaction .
Something very common in show jumping and cross country is over-bitting, basically using a leverage or twisted wire bit (or both) combined with a tight drop noseband to prevent them opening their mouth. Which might explain his reaction to bit pressure in the flexing. He is expecting pain from the bit and proactively fighting it. Its not uncommon to see horses bleeding from the mouth during professional show jumping comps.
Exactly my thought too! All these comments saying it's a medical issue, but I think it's a learned issue from remembered pain. Even without harsh bits, people can be cruel with the hands.
I would think that would be an automatic disqualification because it's so unnecessary and cruel.
@@evelynwaugh4053 Unfortunately you only need to watch professional eventing to see that double twisted wire gag bits, combined with a lever noseband, chain under the jaw, and a martingale, are legal and used. Marilyn Little rode a horse Scandalous in just such a combo in 2018 if you google you'll see blood in the horses mouth
I agree with u , I’m no expert but this beautiful animal is shouting out please listen to me , it’s pain 💯
Yep Ryan, had one flip over on his back. Reared straight up and came down on his back. Had we not been in a round pen with fairly soft sand, I’d have been mashed. As it was, I broke my left hand when the saddle came down as I put my hand up in defense.
You have great videos and are truly talented, my wife and I love watching you.
His sudden head shaking was a bit troubling.
I wonder if there is some mouth damage/injury- because he didn't
do that with the halter.
Thanks for the videos.what you say about the Horse being able to pick up the calm in the person needing to be thaught i find realy interesting.that is definitaly something i havent thought of before and it makes sense.so thank you.i love when the Horse finaly comes out of himself and starts being a Horse again with all those innate atributes like willingness,curiosity and play.thats where joy finds its place .before he had a lot of brasses.
Ryan you are a wonderful horseman. I’m worried that there is limited time with this horse. I honestly don’t think the owner is suitable for him. She has young children I think she said. This horse needs someone with a bit more masculine energy in my opinion. I say this because I recently came off a horse that you would think was calm. I was calm and he suddenly snatch d the reins and put his head right down. I lost my balance as I’d not ridden in a while due to having surgery and he saw me lean forward and spooked right out from under me. I was so lucky not to be badly hurt. I did fracture my spine but not badly. Who needs that though? Not sure what the answer is but please don’t get hurt.
Personally, I don't like the way his back end is moving at a trot or canter. Actually, on both sides, whether he goes right or left. I don't like any of his responses, especially with his head. This is an agitated horse. Not a horse that needs training. He's acting like this because he hurts. If he's been looked at by an equine chiropractor, I'd be finding another chiro.
When this gelding's owner said people couldn't believe she owned this horse, wow, did that bring back memories. Years ago, 20 to be exact, I adopted a gorgeous horse from a rescue. Paid a handsome sum for her, too....and just like this owner, people couldn't believe I now owned this mare. Then the former farrier wanted to talk to me. He actually said, "I know she's beautiful, but she's not worth getting hurt over"...and it went on and on....the stories I heard that an equitation stable did to her were horrible. She was a horse in pain. I kept seeing something in the back end, when everyone else said she was fine. Well, she wasn't fine. Finally found a chiro...and my gosh, this horse was out all over...ribs, neck, pelvis. Her back end was sooo bad, we kept putting it back in place, then it would go out. The chiro said she had been out for sooo long, she wasn't sure she would ever be right. My vet knew the rescue, got in my face and told me to give her back, that I didn't cause her issue, the previous owners did. Gave her back, cried my eyes out. Stupid owner and the stable ruined a beautiful, beautiful mare.
except that the horse has already been evaluated for pain... Ryan's wife is fully qualified to make that assessment as she has demonstrated in a couple other videos.
I had an experience with an Arabian mare once where she bolted into a gallop with me during a riding lesson. She heard my trainer ask if I wanted to canter, I said no, but she anticipated canter, took off, and then started galloping with me. I was calm and relaxed for two laps and was trying to just ride it out but eventually I lost my balance and fell off. :)
I hear “he used to jump. A “jumping” horse. My limited knowledge says he wore a saddle. But as the video progresses, I realize he wore an English (?) saddle. Gentle, knowledgeable and caring trainer.
That looks like pain avoidance
Check out 17:14 minutes. He explains why the horse does this
He may need his pole or neck adjusted. This may explain why he through his head and fights bending. He may be in pain in that direction?
I've definitely been in a situation where the horse I was riding was NOT connected with me & freaking out a bit, but I was cool as a cucumber. I'd taken over the Horsemanship program at my school & we were riding in the Pony Express parade. A lot of extra noises that our horses don't hear on a regular basis. The horse I was riding has been in the parade before. The ride itself was decent. He needed a few reminders of his manners, but nothing out of control or over the top. At the end of the parade, we had to stand still while the Pony Express Riders were being sworn in. My horse would NOT sit still. He kept dancing around and wouldn't listen to my commands. I was completely calm. He just wasn't connected with me or receiving my low energy. Now I know what kind of work I need to do with him before next years ride.
Maybe he has some kind of orthopedic problem in his neck so the bending is uncomfortable or hurts? The head shaking when he is asked to do it is suspicious.
His wife is a physical therapist for horses, they always do a full evaluation to rule out pain, illness or other medical problems first.
The horse is not in pain, he is reacting to bad memories.
@@Goldenhawk583 yep. I'm sure that they always check them out before they start training
Just fine with just the halter
It seems he's more challenged on his right side, both with the knuckle pressure to the ribs, and with his neck. Perhaps he needs a chiropractic adjustment?
I love your videos Ryan! (watching from the UK)
Enjoying this and your process and narration. The reaction to the bit with right flexion and his head shaking after made me wonder if there’s some sort of pain. Teeth or trigeminal nerve? It didn’t seem completely behavioral to me, I though he really seemed a bit physically uncomfortable. Maybe I’ll find out in the next video.
He was ridden by a head set up that hurt him. Jumping horse you said??? His mouth was manhandled maybe.
He seems jammed in the atlas. The left lateral flexion response leads me to a trigeminal nerve impingement on that side. Yes he came around but isn’t that what horses do for us 💕 Also, check his hyoid 💫
This was a great training series! Thank you Ryan ❤️
If he was once a jumper, what changed in him? Perhaps many of the people commenting are right, regarding a potential health issue.
You are right. As a view I’m slightly disappointed to have never seen things “go western” with you astride.
On the other hand I really appreciate all the info you provide to help me never have to ride through “going western.” Luckily our gelding is fairly low response. He’s done crow hopping a couple times but quits instantly if put into a turn and those hops aren’t much rougher than his trot so even I don’t fall off. I find my own ways to end up on the ground 😂.
Dramatic reaction to bit being pulled to right with defensive posturing, head shaking, holding right ear laterally maybe indicative of tooth pain or some other neural sensitivity inside or outside the oral cavity. Might have been cooking for awhile. Might be why he was ok with new owner for first 30 days. Just a thought.
I'm wondering if this horse soured on jumping and ended up a real mess. Learned to avoid jumps by going off base we when required to turn to the right.....
Knew a trainer yrs ago that bought a jumping horse...seller showed horse over one jump. He bought the horse, set up several jumps, and found that the first jump was fine, but the horse went bananas on the 2nd jump and was flat out dangerous!
I love your training videos and your style. Yes I got a horse story to share. I’ll put it like this: I remember the first time I ever saw the crazy horse monument. I thought to myself, that’s definitely not me! And that’s definitely not my crazy horse! First, they didn’t get my nose right and second, my eyes were a lot lot bigger and opened wide at the time! My expression was one of shock disbelief and dismay. And my hair was completely wild and undone. And that’s all I have to share about that and my crazy horse of yester year.
By the way: I’m pretty sure my crazy horse was smiling, free as she was with me on her bareback and no bridle or halter.
And yes, I did it again... better the next time... these video lessons are super awesome and helpful! Thank you! and I hoped you enjoyed my horse (aka horrors) story and I'm glad I can look back at it and laugh, sort of
Was riding a horse about 6 months ago that was very spooky before me and thought we had worked enough that it was safe but it definitely turned into a try to hold on. He spooked and bolted
Have his teeth been checked? Is it possible he has had a neck injury? I would ask a vet to have a look in his mouth at the very least. Try flexion without a bit in to see if he still shows pain on flexion.
Excellent Job!
Many people in the comments for both videos of Esprit are saying he's in pain. Riddled with ulcers? Did you check in his mouth? Sure, this could be behavioral but chronic pain and cancer is on the rise big time, especially in his type.
He's shaking his head; holding his right ear at an odd angle, as soon as the snaffle went in...an awful lot of mouthiness. Is that head gear bothering him, do you think?
Great video. He seems uneducated but not necessarily bad.
That horse is gorgeous! Nice work Ryan, great video
Hola desde España, si quiero seguir viendo tus videos como este.Muchas gracias amigo.Saludos.
Man I can’t wait to get my first horse so I can try all these moves out 😂
Stupid tax I really think paid off: I decided to slowly and calmly lead my new lease into his stall when I knew he had dragged a few students in, bolting from pretty much the moment their lesson was done and they left the arena. Managed to step into the stall first, but was nearly run over. We’ve been working on following and yielding a lot since then and get better every time 😊
Riding a 5 year old down a quiet road with another calm bombproof horse in front. Almost at the trail and a pedal biker wizzed by us at 20mph. My horse started broc bucking, I fell off 5th bronc landing on the pavement. Had on a safety vest but broke my tailbone, huge hematoma on my right elbow and cracked my trauma void helmet when my head smacked back hitting the pavement. He did not stop fear bucking. I had to roll away. No spatial awareness. Needless to say we are following your ground work
To be honest, when I work with horses, and they do something strange, or unexpected, I think of them like babies… in that sometimes they get upset or uncomfortable from something irritating them physically that we aren’t tuned in to.
Like a baby being too hot or to cold or being pinched by the seat belt or having a tag rubbing them.
To me, when the bridle went on and the head shaking began, his right ear was floppy looking. He appeared to either have a bug INSIDE his ear, or the bridle was pulling his hair, or pinching him.
He obviously had issues with the bit as well, but I feel like if the trainer had stopped and taken note of the strange behavior, he might have noticed the ear. After the apparent “irritation” ceased, the head shaking stopped.