Transformers: Rise of the Beasts - The Curse of Emptiness | Anatomy of a Failure
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Transformers: Rise of the Beasts is another Transformers blockbuster without Michael Bay, and it pays the price for it. It's the biggest Transformers flop in theaters so far and it adds almost nothing to the franchise. It just makes you wish that Shia Labeouf's Sam Witwicky was still here, and yes, even that Megan Fox was still here. Instead, Rise of the Beasts offers things like animal transformers called Maximals that are barely in the movie and final battles in an empty cgi jungle that pales in comparison with Dark of the Moon for example. The movie is sort of empty, as many modern bad Hollywood movies often are. In today's Anatomy of a Failure, let's see what that means and how to avoid it.
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Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (2023)
Rise of the Beasts is “the best Transformers movie yet.” See it on the biggest screen possible. Watch the final trailer now. Returning to the action and spectacle that have captured moviegoers around the world, Transformers: Rise of the Beasts will take audiences on a ‘90s globetrotting adventure with the Autobots and introduce a whole new faction of Transformers - the Maximals - to join them as allies in the existing battle for earth. Directed by Steven Caple Jr. and starring Anthony Ramos and Dominique Fishback, the film arrives in theatres June 9, 2023. Optimus prime, optimus primal, scourge, airazor, mirage, arcee.
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Transformers: Dark of the Moon (2011)
The interstellar war between the Autobots and Decepticons shifts into overdrive following the discovery of Sentinel Prime (voice of Leonard Nimoy) in this sequel from director Michael Bay. Only a precious handful of officials in the government and military realize that the 1969 moon mission was the result of an event that threatened profound repercussions for the entire human race. When the Apollo 11 Rise of the beasts trailer everything wrong with transformers rise of the beasts honest trailer watch transformers rise of the beasts full movie online free 4k clip optimus vs scourge rise of the beasts ending explained fight scene rise of the beasts action scene only action best moments funny moments rise of the beasts 2 transformers 7 8 rise of the beatss final fight battle bumblebee returns how did bumblebee survive bumblebee death rise of the beasts maximals scene optimus primal vs airrazor what happened sam witwicky where is rise of the beasts flop bad movie astronauts discover the wrecked remains of Sentinel Prime on the surface of our natural satellite, they bring him back to planet Earth. But Sentinel Prime wasn't the only alien object on the moon, and when a malevolent new enemy makes its presence known, only the Autobots can save humankind from certain destruction.
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You want to know? Of course it will be negative.
If rise of the beasts was negative flash has to be 😂
Could you add Pacific Rim to that challenge? I would love it even if you rip it to shreds (even though it's underrated and great)
Could you please make The Last Of Us 2 video, because I know that you gonna make Flash Failure video.
“How is Pete Davidson able to be in every movie… and every woman…” truly one of the mysteries of all time
Pete Davidson is in every woman, because he's in every movie, and he's in every movie because he's... brown... I guess
@@chongsfury4358 What?!!
The only thing that remotely makes him "brown" is he always looks like he just climbed out of a pile of trash beneath an overpass after an all-night heroine binge.
Probably because hes funny, rich and looks good enough
I usually find davidson pretty annoying in most movies, but his performance and jokes in this movie were genuinely charming. I like mirage
I bet you he doesn’t spend time wondering who else gets women… that’s low energy
props to Scourge for finally get through Bumblebee's plot armour.
Shout-out the Peruvian energon that got charged by unicron and just resurrected him
@@gorillachroniclesbro death was just plot amour
@@MR_stone69y’all hate on everything. Shit was awesome. His return was badass asf, had my whole theater cheering.
@@CaptainRockoBD lol
@@CaptainRockoBD it was cheap as hell.
It honestly sucks that standards have dropped so low because a lot of movies/shows have been mediocre. Now something decent is considered a 10/10
That's due to thumbs up/down culture, where something is all or nothing. You either like or dislike, and that's that. Probably shorter attention spans don't help either... no time for nuanced thought, on to the next thing!
nah it depends on franchise
@@Axterix13i don't think shorter attention spans is a problem for movies. All movies have to grip you in some way to get you interested in the first place and that has always been the case, whether it's the trailer or the opening of the movie. Facebook, twitter, tik tok and so on encourage short term attention but people still read books, watch movies and tv series and podcasts are loved and consumed more and more each year for hours of entertainment
That’s actually accurate
I would argue the opposite has happened.
Highly Competent movies like rotb are deemed as trash simply because they aren't excellent. We're in an age where if you aren't 10/10, you're a 1
You know. One thing i really liked abt sam as a protagonist was just how average he was. He didnt need a forced sob story or skills the plot required. He was just a normal kid thrown into a galactic conflict. Thats why it was alot easier to relate to him
One thing that Bay's tranformers got right is scale as well. When ever you cut a bay action scene, it feels like absolute titans clashing
Yea rise of the beast. They look so small and ironic part they move slow. Camera angles bay did to make them look big like when Sam walks to Optimus prime they put camera next to Sam feet to show and make Optimus prime look like Titan size even bubble bee when first time meeting Sam and fox they use this ram to make it look his bigger that a cool Illusion even if the transformers different size.
@@iancruz6617That and the fact that Bayverse Transformers are actually much bigger than these ones.
Optimus here is 16ft tall, the same size as Bayverse Bumblebee, while Bayverse Optimus is 28-30ft tall.
@@iancruz6617only in the few movies, after dark of the moon (and I’m been generous because I haven’t see that movie in awhile) he kind of stop caring and it becomes really uninspired
That's probably cuz now half their body isn't off screen while they're fighting
@@spider-man500 You know that the OG G1 Transformers aren't Bayverse big, right? Bayverse characters are like the definition of inflation when it comes to robot sizes.
Optimus Versus Megatron, Starscream, and Grindor is still by far the most badass Fight that Prime has been into. It really showcased his skill and worthiness as a Prime/Knight.
One problem with that fight was it made the decepticons look so weak lmao which i guess was a problem in all of bayverse.
@@mryeetproductions
1. They were in a forest not a city
2. Megatron has a new body he's not used to
3. Optimus is literally a Prime
@@blackmagnetica8714 and Megatron was literally brought back from the dead only a day prior
@blackmagnetica8714 you're right on the first 2 but on the third,
bayverse prime is a warrior class cybertronian that is destined to become a prime, he wasn't fully a prime until he had the matrix of leadership thanks to sam reviving him in ROTF.
@@mryeetproductionstrue but in most the decepticon are just weak especially the soldiers type
To me the problem with rise of the beast is that, they tried to do too much, that they kinda lost sight on a lot of things
They should’ve made the actual beast wars characters and mirage the main and Optimus and bee enter the main fight. Idk…
Yup should of trimmed it down alot.
I always wanted it too have the rise the of beast as the next movie.
For the movie that after bumblebee,
I wanted it too start where Bee see Optimus all most get jumped.
The opening sees how Prime got away .. How Starscream shuts down Soundwave and Shockwave attempts too locate Megs and focus on the Autobots.
Shockwave could say "Megatron could still be functional??
Starscream says "Wana bet"!!
Leading too the fact Starscream knows what happen too Megatron.
It shoots back too Prime and Bee on earth where Bee tells Him what happened to him, then Prime says something like "this world is more fragile that Cybertron, we must not stay too long", "We will recoup We will recover We will STAND STRONG TILL ALL ARE ONE!!
Then the title screen.
Feels like older movies have soo much which is good when rise of the beasts feels like it’s easy to understand like a grandma and child are on the same understanding of the movie while the older movies u have to think More but yes I also said the same thing maybe 20-30 minutes could’ve made rise of the beasts better but after this video maybe not
I hate how they killed Airazor with a hug and everyone else who got shot,stab, and torn to pieces gets brought back to life like nothing happened
Thank you! It’s like the writers saw how she was getting actual screen time and character development and said she had to go.
People said this Bumblebee had no plot armor, I said he have EVERYONE plot armor, Bayverse may survive and win every fight but if he die then he die, this one? Just pour biggest red potion possible on him, that will do the trick
One of the best parts of the Michael Bay movies was the score and soundtrack. I don't think any of the recent Transformers movies have even come close to living up to them in that regard.
It’s one of the most iconic soundtracks of the 2000s and 2010s imo. Im almost certain most people have heard arrival to earth whether or not they’ve seen the movies
Did you watch ROTB
Yeah especially dark of the moon, Nothing in the other films, Bay or Knight even come close to the autobots return in DOTM, Or Optimus's rage scene, Or his final showdown with Megatron
Rise of the beast has shtty soundtrack that they had to use the 2007 soundtrack lmfao
But I can safely love the characters more in this one, no theories and speculations needed
The biggest compliment I can give the movie, is that I don't regret watching it. All in all it's better than recent Marvel, but it's obviously nowhere near the potential the Transformers franchise has to offer
Anything is better than recent marvel, doesn't mean it's necessarily good
This comment is like "Either they hit me with a bat or a stick, but I let them hit me because there's no other option."
Lmao recent marvel? GOTG vol 3 black panther 2 all clear this
@@jfoster8624 Guardians was amazing, it was more of a general statement. I also enjoyed Black Panther 2, but nowhere near as much as Guardians
GOTG 3 was enjoyable than Ant-Man 3 and Secret Invasion.
The saddest part of this movie is the people saying we can't critique them for some reason, even though they would shit on the Bay movies every time they had a chance.
Average Transformers fan behavior
Because they look like G1 designs, so its literally 10 out of 10
@@deathblade2639sage
@@deathblade2639I don't give a f... about G1 designs... don't even know what that is. Michael Bay is good at action. He is great at action. He is great at CGI. Everything else though? Yeah the plot is good enough (it's the same here), but whenever there are humans on screen I just want to skip forward. Sam Wi...whatever is annoying as hell. His parents are even worse. Those scenes would be embarassing in a parody of a teen comedy... Human characters in his movies are either assholes or idiots and do nothing to move the plot. They are hardly characters and scream all the time. Or show their hot body. In those aspects, this is a vastly superior film. Even if it feels smaller, cheaper, there's less spectacle. Now yeah, what do you really watch a Transformers movie for? The characters and story, or the action? But this is a much more rounded movie, that you can watch from start to end, while if you'd cut all the scenes with humans out of Bayformers, you'd end up with a MUCH better movie.
In future, they should have Bay for the action sequences and a director that can actually do plot and characters etc. handle the rest.
The only reason people like this movie is because it’s set in the 90s. It’s mid at best.
The person whom i missed the most is Steve Jablonsky. I still often listen to his soundtracks from first 3 transformers, literally masterpiece. Music in this movie was also hallow and empty.
Also, after this movie I realised the actual worth of 1st transformers movie, they did it the first time and did almost everything right.
He helped making the music of rotb
4 and 5 don't have great OST's lmao?
@@etam8099 4 was great imho, I don't like 5 purely for the movie it's in
@@fernandorijpkema691 That's such a petty reason bruh
Dont FORGET the audio work
Lol i can remember the sounds of Optimus shooting the machine of the second movie with the cannon or how every Punch sound like metal bending by the force
I really enjoyed the movie.My problem with it was the lack of screen time of Cheetor and Rhinox.They were soo great in Beast Wars.
also the severe lack of beast wars theme 😭but yea this movie was a surreal experience as a beast wars enjoyer
Nah movie was at best mid
Yes, I enjoyed it as well.
Same, I don't even think Rhinox spoke in the Entire movie, like all Rhinox did was ram Pablo, roar, Run around in the final battle and Maximize and pretty much just that
@@philippevernot9553 Ever heard of "opinions"?
I personally think Transformers should be an episode series. There is so much content that seems to be just skimmed over, like has anyone read the comics. There is a lot going on in there.
THANK YOU! I love the movies but a lot of stuff is glossed over due to how much is crammed in them, w live action series would work soooo much better
@@yourfriendlyneighborhoodsh7934 and that's just the comics, we still have the novels, manga, anime, cartoon, games and 3d series that have their own universes and topics.
@@yourfriendlyneighborhoodsh7934 Implying that Paramount is even capable of the budget for a live action Transformers series, they can't fully make it work as movies as is, there is no way a show would be satisfying.
Even their best CGI show attempt with Halo wasn't particularly convincing the whole way through, a live action Transformer show would need technological advancements to make managing CGI budget cheaper.
No movie franchise should ever be turned into a series. It dilutes the franchise. Se the MCU. Fans cried out for series in the beginning phases, to 'flesh out' their favoriite characters. Thay got what they wanted
@@mrsam0496 anime, cartoon, manga and comics: Hi, we exist!
Personally, I like their approach to a version of Optimus that doesn't automatically gives his trust to humanity. Bumblebee likely told him everything from his time so far on earth, both about Charlie and the soldiers who aligned with the Decepticons for their own gain.
While yes, I get that Optimus is generally a figure of nobility, kindness, and basically everything that makes up a "perfect" leader, and yet something that's typically overlooked by the audience is that he's still a leader who's endured, and is still enduring, a war that's been lasting for eons---so much so that it turned their home world uninhabitable. However, I do agree that there should have been more scenes that explained his distrust like mentioning the temporary decepticon alliance the army had in the previous movie.
I agree with this because as it is now, it's like the movie makes Optimus into this distrusting jerk just to have him as a distrusting jerk. At least in Age of Extinction it showed the betrayal, and we knew why Optimus was bitter and resentful.
@@ap6806In this movie, Unicron is literally around the corner and Bumblebee was most likely dead. I think it’s fair for Optimus to be pissed off for a bit.
@jblazerndrowzy but they're talking about how he doesn't trust the humans, stay on topic
@@uDontSolo And I was saying those points could contribute to Optimus being more jumpy, mean, and not as willing to go along with anyone through pout the movie. Stay on topic.
@jblazerndrowzy they still we're not talk8ng about that tho, stay on topic
I think the biggest sin this movie committed was they made fucking *Unicron* of all things feel underwhelming. The way he was introduced just felt so low-energy and bland, like he was just a footnote despite being one of the most iconic things in the whole series.
I wouldn't have even complained if they just straight up copied 1-for-1 his intro in the first animated movie, literally anything would've been better than what we got.
I was also expecting so much more from this movie. Throughout the movie i kept having this "falling short" feeling. Thank you for so succinctly putting this together. Now lets all acknowledge that the best scene in the film was when mirage was running from the cops.
Naw the movie was actually good
@@crazygrim4895nope!
@@crazygrim4895lol no it's not. It's so boring
Yea, I really liked “Bumblebee” and I was so excited to see what they would do next.
I was very disappointed in Rise of the Beasts.
-The characters were less than “Bumblebee”. (Holy hell I found Mirage annoying)
-The Antagonist were boring, and poorly built up.
-The CGI is also worse.
I seriously don’t get it when people say this was better than Bumblebee. Bumblebee at least had a good heart felt relationship between the main protagonist and the character Bumblebee.
Rise of the Beasts either just has the characters explain to you what others are feeling. Or the characters relationship dynamics are so vaporous in the movie I barely feel anything for them.
But that’s just my personal opinion.
@@M_k-zi3tn how I literally see it as transformers prime
Your point on why Optimus is conflicted by being on earth is justified. In a deleted scene it reveals they have no ship and that Autobots are being killed on Cybertron making Optimus try to get back asap to save the Autobots. If they kept that one scene it, Optimus character ark would have been 1000x better.
That brings up a question in me... Why would optimus, a strategic leader take the most autobot possible on a random planet distant from earth knowing that he doesn'have a ship to get back to cybertron.
I wonder if they landed on a desert planet the autobot would have just being trapped there against his own will
Distant from* cybertron sorry
@Andybeany yeah confused me too, then suddenly it's a pitstop? Why did they need to even stop on a random ass planet without a means to go back to their original world?
@PottedSprout How are they going to take cybertron back if they cant get to it use logic better. 😆
Deleted scene might as well be none canon audience needs to know that information in the movie
I still think it's way better than the most recent Michael Bay Transformers movie, but I have a soft spot for the original trilogy. Even though I was critical of them when they first come out, in hindsight, there's actually quite a bit of heart to them, and the action set pieces are memorable. I would say their main flaw is the bad comedy but overall I think they're solid movies.
I love the mostly G1 designs (I want to pretend Wheeljack doesn't exist.) but the thing which pissed me the most was how Optimus hates humans. That's totally out of character for him.
Even the bad Bayverse films were far more epic, exciting and action packed.
@@razerx100Which is funny.
All G1 fanboys live for one reason, to shit on Bayverse and anything related to it. Like Optimus being violent or shit.
Which is weird considering Optimus was nice to humans even on first contact, he ONLY became angry and aggressive towards them MUCH later on when they betrayed and nearly wiped out they're kind on earth.
He had a reason to hate them later on
Why the fuck does this much less experienced Optimus hate humans?
@@razerx100wouldn't say it's hate, more like a strong skepticism towards them. Considering that in this reboot series autobots were in a hurry to get out of Cybertron to regroup and retake their homeworld, they originally didn't plan to live among humans after decepticons kicked them out.
Bumblebee's first interaction with humans was being almost killed by them, so I wouldn't be surprised if Prime had similar mindset and didn't want to risk his autobots.
Even then, he still got softer towards human characters throughout this movie and in the end fought with one of them together against Scourge.
I've always struggled perceiving the heart people say is in those movies. As someone who's rewatched them a dozen times as a kid. They are so mean spirited and disinterested in allowing any characters to have any form of dignity
Scourge not killing the human instantly after grabbing him got on my nevres. Also Optimus having his whole squad alive in the end while Primal's squad continues taking L's is down right dirty.
Keep in mind Scourge can just kill off the Autobots right then and there too. But he has so much power that he rather let his enemies suffer before being killed.
@@SLESFMOfficialevidently, he’s not that strong
There’s one thing I’ll always give credit to Michael Bay. Although his movies were very bad, they had unique style to them. Story, plot, and characters weren’t the best, but *AT LEAST* everything was cool to look at. Set pieces, action sequences, and fight choreography were never a problem with the Bayverse Transformers.
Yeah, Transformers 3 was a masterpiece of an action movie, every minute something happens, might be a sexy girls or big robots fighting but you never get bored, in fact my favorite Michael Bay movie ever is Bad Boys 2.
Right the writing is bad but visuals are sure pretty, it had an identity.
ROTB neg diffs oll micheal bay movies about charachters emotion and action
Sorry first transformers movie I can watch that film and others and it felt like I was there.
@@ShadowFri3nd pain gain my favorite and it's base in a true story
It may not be perfect but it’s a step in the right direction. Giving the autobots personality, giving them character arcs like optimus, more robot focused fight scenes aswell. You can call this movie a flop, it won’t ever live up to the vfx, music and action of the older ones but fans are happy with this. Transformers fans are more happy about it than film critics because these movies mean so much to us
Fanservice (even in such ways, which is supposed to be good) won't get anything far.
optimus, bumblebee the gorilla bot and mirage are the only autobots to actually have personality and development, the rest are just cannon fodder, just like in the bay movies
@@tarzantabi7845at least some bots had character, everyone in the bayverse had no personality except for like Jazz and Crosshairs
@@tarzantabi7845 there's more movies coming in the future so maybe it will finally focus on the others personalities
This is the comment i looking for, filmento didn't know about this thing, a transformer movie is supposed to focused on transformers not human and it supposed to make the bots with personality and character not just a prop for an action scene, imagine criticize a transformer movie because there's lack of human scene
There was something about Bayformers that felt gritty. Like all the characters especially the soldiers were all sweaty and dirty after every battle, pieces of transformers were blown and shot off during every fight, you felt the impact of every explosion and a lot of real dust and debris was always being kicked around. Almost every battle genuinely felt like everyone including the transformers were being pushed to their physical limit.
They even talked about that in the tf2 bts how there were "fases" of destruction
Movies back then tried to be grounded and realistic with tons of practical effects, but with the advancement of CGI and VFX it feels like directors are starting to lose sight of the pizazz that made older films work.
Yea the battle felt like you're there and they feel heavy. Rise of the beast looks like there balloons and not interact with the real environments s around them. Shows how much step back it gotten
This kinda shit is exactly what people criticized so much about the bayformers movies lol
Exactly! Rise of The Beasts is shot so Genericly, it’s boring. Everything looks too clean and the Transformers look small.
I honestly agree. I did like the movie but I only liked the movie because I know a lot about transformers so things made sense to ME. But my dad who only watched bayverse fell asleep twice and was confused during the movie
Your dad is a real one
the movie felt a bit childish. unlike beast wars there was literally no reason to why the maximals had to resemble earthly animals despite being on a completely different planet. pretty confusing tbh for me who even knew about it all.
I rewatched Transformers 2007 after seeing RoTB. We really took for granted that movie. CGI is 16 years old and looks superior. Also, Steve Jablonsky's score is amazing.
How great we had it back then.
The issues was using a different studios then Og studios, I hope they will return to make a other one
ILM vs a budget cgi studio... but the CGI isn't bad at all.
The entire feel and look of the robots is more plastic, probably fits, because we are not looking at bare metal or Bayverse designs.
Now people appreciate bay more huh
It's surprising how well some movies hold up in the CG department. Still amazes me how well Disney's Dinosaur holds up despite being from 2000.
@@Ericspil790 It,s always like that. People join the bandwagon without thinking, then they realize their mistake too late
I’m genuinely afraid that the Transformer fanchise can never recover from the days of Micheal Bay.💀
It wont. Unless Michael Bay returns with Shia Labeouf or someone with a similar screen presence.
Bay made Hasbro billions in toy sales. He rejuvenated the franchise in the mid-2000s. Without Bay, there might not be any Transformers at all.
This is a toy franchise and the toys have been really peak for a while now
Bayverse brought Transformers back sure he focused too much on humans scenes but without him and steve the franchise would have died
Bay made the franchise good with the first 3. Then they forced him to make 4 and 5, which were ass. To recover from those, they made Bumblebee and this, which failed
Say whatever you want about Michael Bay, but the man knows how to make an entertaining movie.
Ehh...first one was OK.
@@logicplague oh plots were garbage and nonsensical, but for sure entertaining
Yeah I honestly have more fun watching the first trilogy of transformers than watching this movie
@@makatron To each their own, I've never had any desire to rewatch the first four, and I didn't bother with the last one. I honestly don't even remember the titles of 3 and 4.
@@makatron After hearing Optimus say "we will kill them all", I said F this shit I'm out. Literally, first time I've ever left a theater halfway through a movie.
I actually didn't feel bored or confused. This was everything I wanted from a Transformers movie. 90s is a great setting, the music was dope, the story was entertaining if not great, things transform, other things blow up. I thought this and Bumblebee are the best Transformer films and glad they did a soft reboot as I can ignore the Triple B films now.
They could do it even better if it wasnt for covid and mpc cgi problem, but yea, steven did a really good movie, but hope the next time he can put in work all his ideas
@mbogucki1 same dude same
I love Filmento's videos but sometimes you just can't with movies like this, I'm not a big fan of transformers but if I buy a ticket to watch transforme I honestly just want to watch a big CG fight with Optimus prime lol
Damn I dont know if we Both watched the Same rise of the beasts or you just didnt watched this TH-cam Review but the Bayverse was much better than this piece of garbage💀
The crazy thing is they cut some scenes that would've added the things mentioned.
Optimus, in the beginning, was gonna fight a hiding decepticon in pursuit to steal his ship to go home. It would've shown the difference between the Decepticons and Terricons in Powers.
Also, there was a scene cut that would've added a chase in the temple where the humans get chased by Cheetor and Rinox.
Finally, there was an alternate ending where Optimus was gonna get sucked up with Unicron at the end.
I think that alternate ending would've been used if the film wasn't a reboot to the bayfilms, since it would explain how Optimus prime arrives again to Earth. Just my thoughts
@TammyBoy I think it would've actually set up Nemesis Prime for a sequel. As there is a cut end credit scene on youtube of optimus floating in front of Unicron's eyes.
The deleted scenes won't fix the dull direction tho
Bayverse fans can't justify continuity errors (like Sam having another girlfriend in DOTM) but apparently AntiBayverse can use them to justify yours because since it's not a movie directed by Bay it's the "Best thing that could happen to transformers "
The alternate ending is cool but dumb
There's a deleted scene that explains why they are stuck on earth, basically the Deceptions know where Prime and the gang are, but they keep destroying every way they try to get off earth. It also had an awesome fight between Prime and a Deception. The scene was awesome, it should have been kept in
Wait, this was mentioned on the Transit Vs. Optimus deleted scene?!
@@fortimusprimeit was supposed to be but that scene is unfinished in guessing they gathered what dialog and models and just threw it in there that would explain transits constant model change
@@N_O_I_S_E92 ahhh I see. I just watched it and it makes sense.
The scene was deleted because it makes no f*cking sense! Shatter and Dropkick were trying to send a message to the Decepticons on Cybertron at the end of (2018) Bumblebee. However, they weren't successful. So no! The Decepticons don't know where the Autobots and the "gang" are.
@@Zodiac3107 unfortunately no that's not the reason what I stated has been confirmed to be the reason
For me, this movie & Bumblebee is better than Bayverse Transformers 4 & 5. But in my opinion, the first 3 Transformers movies were better
Agreed
My ranking exactly
Except for the second one. I mean, it had its cool moments, but it was a real mess
I disagree, some of the shit bay put in his movies make them incredibly hard to watch, like the constant innuendos (in a cool robot fight movie) piss jokes, fucking dogs, and lack of interesting characters… I was pretty invested in the human characters in this and bee, and I think a lot of the love for the og trilogy just comes from nostalgia, which I get, I grew up with them too, but I can’t stand watching the bay movies, even the first movie
2 & 3 still suck, the first one is the only one that aged somewhat well.
Honestly, I liked the movie. And you're right, it does have several flaws, like the Maximals are underdeveloped, the CGI doesn't look great sometimes, the Terrorcons themselves are also underdeveloped, and more. But there are some other elements that are actually good, like the voice acting, the music choices, the score, the CGI, and the direction. Hopefully the next Transformers movie turns out better than ROTB in terms of the writing, the CGI, and character development.
Plot is rehashed trash.
My thoughts exactly
I think people who grew up watching G1 Transformers, Beast Wars, or even read the comics or are somewhat familiar with Transformers lore are definitely going to have a much more enjoyable time because other than the Terrorcons, those other medias have done the power scaling and character defining moments for us. But for anyone unfamiliar or completely unaware to the lore of Transformers this will definitely come across as a very hollow movie, I think the problem is guys behind the movie were so focused on fan service that they forgot to write a proper story. Overall I had a good time because I am a Transformers fan but I can see how this can be a snooze fest for anyone else, hopefully their next movie is able to tackle this issue properly.
Idk, the CGI was kinda lackluster compared to the previous movies.
its almost like...its the first proper knightverse movie?
To me, the most unfortunate aspect of Rise of the Beasts is that nothing feels dramatic. Say what you want about the Bay films, but at least those felt like they had passion representing both in front of and behind the camera. But here, everything just seems emotionless, like it's not trying to make itself special.
So your saying that the bayfilms had more passion than this and bumblebee nah at in rise of the beast the characters have a personality and in bumblebee the decepticons are not a bunch of generics that die with one shot.
@@richardch.4356Found the G1 meatrider! 😂😂😂
@@NicktheBalla And here I see a bayverse meatrider
@@richardch.4356 Disagree. Most of the ROTB characters practically felt like hollow shells. The only exceptions were Optimus and Primal. And the decepticons got destroyed way too easily in BB. Bayverse decepticons were much tougher in comparison.
Later on bayverse decepticons became cannon fodder you say the characters are hollow but look at bayverse the characters that don't even have personality jolt for example plus in bay the show the characters only to for them disappear with no explanation or reason especially with the dinobots and the only movie in bayverse where the decepticons where actually a problem was the first movie the rest of his movie they where a bunch generics and a joke that fall apart with one shot
I can understand referring to it as a commercial failure, but it is exactly the kind of movie transformers fans have been clamoring for ever since the first one Michael Bay made. I genuinely really liked this movie compared to all the others because it wasn't TRYING to be all things at once, with extreme pointless bombast all over the place. I could've had less human characters overall and been happy with it but they made the interactions very true to the characters, and seeing the maximals in literally anything was a treat.
Personally don't understand the hate the movie got.
Same
Well as a Transformers fan I want a truly well written movie and the human characters presence to the absolute minimum if any, and this movie wan't that
I stand by this, finally Optimus has the character writing he deserved especially after AOE and TLK and the other bots have greater presence, this was great for what amounted to be baby steps into a new movie generation
@@cahe6161 Yeah, can we finally have a Transformers film that focuses only on the Transformers? This is like watching a Kaiju film and time being wasted on human plot.
Same and I actually liked the main human character. There could have been more maximals and more from the bots like Arcee. But it's not bad. Made me go watch the G1 movie for the first time.
You know why people think this movie is better than the Bay ones?
I'll tell you why.
Because they are just blinded by Bay not being the director and the massively exaggerated amount of G1 fanservice. That's why.
These two elements are enough to define the movie as a ''masterpiece'' and ignore the poor writing, bad CGI, terrible pacing and pretty much everything else you said in the video.
I 100% agree with everything you stated, it's so refreshing to see someone with an opinion of his own, unbiased and not influenced by the masses.
As somebody who is a die hard fan of the Michael Bay Transformers movies, this one put a huge smile on my face. I don’t understand why people don’t like transformers movies
Honestly, TLK is the only one that deserves to get trashed on. I loved 2007-AoE.
@@PhoenixFalcarius2024 same
@@PhoenixFalcarius2024Which is a shame cause the OST and the CGI peaked there
you can't be fucking serious
Because they were awful and clearly made by people that didn't give a crap about Transformers.
To be honest i believe that rebooting the franchise was the best decision they could've done. I have a soft spot for Bayfomers and i knew that this movie wasn't going to top the epicness or the incredible VFX, music and sound design those movies had, and i love that Michael Bay does as much crazy stuff as he can practically, but even then, i feel like by the 5th one those movies were beyond saving.
The 4th one was kinda made by pseudo-forcing Bay to make it. The 5th one Bay wanted to make with more heart, but studios pulled a WB VS Zack Snyder on him & fucked him over.
This Beast Wars thing was something Bay wanted to do himself. You can even find concept arts on net if you search.
@ngultrum1 everything of what you just said is complete and total bullshit
It's no even a reboot anymore this bs is a prequel to tf 2007
Movie standards have decreased big time no way this movie is good
@@vexlez6888
Which doesn't even make sense as a prequel cause we see the Autobots come to Earth in the film for the first time.
I think a lot of the continuity and maguffin questions that arise from this movie are a result of Paramount not being very clear about this not being in the same continuity as the Bayverse movies. There still seems to be some sort of internal indecision on whether they want to move on or not, and this indecision actively hurt this movie and its predecessor as well.
Most probably thanks to Lorenzo, the man tries to bring the Bayverse into the new movies so hard. The beast wars movie was separate and bumblebee sequel was a separate movie but just like in TF5, Lorenzo suggested to combine the scripts and that is how we got ROTB.
This can't possibly be the same continuity as the Bayverse. In Transformers 2007, Optimus and the other autobots arrived on Earth for the first time, and it wasn't set in 1994 like Rise of the Beasts is.
@@ibrahime927 it isn't. Even if you consider TLK destroying the continuity, there are things about ROTB which you just cannot really mental gymnastics your way into connecting to the bayverse. On a purely objective basis, it's a different continuity. Unfortunately, you won't catch Paramount ever explicitly saying that. You have to dig for a fan interview with Steven Caple Jr to find any real proof that ROTB isn't connected to the bayverse.
@@LoganSLRLockwood Agree with you. Although someone needs to talk sense into Lorzenzo. I have never seen any other producer simpping for a franchise as hard as he is doing with the Bayverse.
@@LoganSLRLockwood That is the worst argument. Bay movies have no solid plot. Every next one retcons the previous one and even within one movie the plot contradicts itself on several occasions. So if new movies were not the part of the old one we could not tell. There is no logic in that.
Transformers 1 is still the best live action Transformers movie.
Arrival to Earth is in ROTB.
Honestly this movie was pretty good in my opinion. Did something the bay movies struggled with and gave actual personality to the autobots outside of Prime and Bee. I think it was a step up
Agreed!
@@Riverburke8170 I also have to agree. Usually this guys videos are spot on but this is a huge miss
Uncommon filmento mistake
@@ranita_gaming61 facts
@@virgiliobarreto3960 It was the same thing with Bumblebee with his "it has no plot" take.
The empty feeling you describe is the exact way that I felt after leaving the movie theater but I couldn't understand why. Glad you put it into context 👍
"0/10 not enough grey blobs with crumbs flying off of them every other second, Michael Bay wasn't here to pay us enough, too faithful to actual transformers projects. 0/10 you can tell this was made for actual TF fans and not for us bayverse fans. The humans had actual purpose rather than talking about the age of consent."
"10/10 G1 designs, consoom g1 designs"
Look at the people in the comments now on the dick of bay movies praising all the things that they said sucked about em in the first place😂
This guy also said the bay movie sucked. But now decided to dick ride that.
It’s so ironic seeing these people wanting the Transformers to be different from the Bay movies, but when the movies are different and do new things like having actual characters they complain LMAO
The CGI from the first Transformers movie is better than this.
What striked me the most wasn't bad writting nor lack of impactfull and personnal stakes, it was the lack of spectacular directing. In Bay's movies Transformers were Always Seen from a human sight perspective, they feeled Big, dangerous and powerfull. In Rise of the beasts I just had the feeling of seeing humans in a CGI suit and the ending with the guy literally having a robot suit was the lack of creativity's climax
And the bots get like seconds of dialogue and are used as background decoration in the last two movies
@@kennethsatria6607Still MUCH better than this Rise of the Beasts crap.
@@spider-man500 Rose tinted glasses my friend, the only bad thing about ROTB is that they might have started out too strong too soon, it sacrificed the depth of the new characters and longer cgi animations for the run time even as the final product is beloved by TF fans.
Though at the same time you see work was done in that direction even if it ended up being cut.
Like you cannot compare the level of thought at play when they consider what would be in character for Optimus prime to be like if at this moment he was buckling under his choices as a leader and feeling guilt for failing the people he's supposed to protect.
But then also thinking little of humans because he's not made an effort to understand them, and is too fixated on caring for his team on the easily hostile planet.
They also managed to preserve the Bayverse Prime's merciless attitude in a better way, in that this is desperation and frustration from repeated failures that makes him reckless and emotional.
No shark jumping, no speculation or theories needed you see it in the performance and writing.
Its a very humanizing amalgam of past Optimus Primes. one that Peter Cullen deserves too.
Yeah but in this movies the robots have this neat little thing called a personality. Bay fans aren't a big fan of the titular characters having it for some reason, idk why.
THIS WAS SOMETHING I NOTICED! There's no spectacle to sell the film! Like, in DOTM we had flying Optimus fighting a giant metal snake in the city! That was enough to sell the movie to anyone. This had nothing you could grasp to sell the film.
I'm a very big Transformers fan, and I was really darn excited to see the film But the movie was a mixed bag for me. I enjoyed the Transformers themselves, especially Mirage, but there's a lot of things that made me not enjoy this movie. For one, the racism against white people in this film. People say you can't be racist to white people, but you can. In the beginning, Noah's mom makes an offensive comment saying that he should pretend to laugh at the jokes cause whites love that kind of stuff. And maybe if he laughs, they will agree to give him a job. White people are painted as the bad guys. (The job interviewer and the museum boss) Another thing that made me mad was what they did to Wheeljack. I was on the fence about his new look, but as soon as I heard the accent, I wanted to lose it. Like yes, I know he was in Peru for a while and gained an accent, but that was too much. People apparently aren't allowed to say bad things about this movie, but can shit on the Bayverse films. Yes, those movies have flaws, but the first 3 are the best ones. I may be a little biased cause I saw those as a kid, but I seriously hate how everyone bashes the movies cause they aren't like G1. I love G1 too and was fine with what they did. Rise Of The Beasts made me appreciate the Bayverse even more.
I found it hilarious that the cop in the chase scene at the start and the college security guard get murdered while just doing their jobs
Transformers 1 2 3 were an emotion
You know what funny fans have been complaining about the Michael Bay films for the past 16 years, just because the series isn't accurate to the source material such as g1 and comics.
But after watching ROTB, they revisit the previous films, compare, then want to switch up by saying...
"After watching ROTB i rather prefer the" bayverse films since it had Plot, lore, better cgi, development, and was a film series about transformers especially in the First 3.
"I can't believe I'm saying this, but I miss" Michael Bay since his films weren't corny or cringe like this trash.
Or " even tho Michael Bay ruined " transformers, but i will have to admit his films are more fun to watch than ROTB.
After all those years of nitpicking, yall now wanna support and say that the bay films had development and were fun to watch,
Wow, fans nowadays can be hypocrites whenever it comes to these movies. SMH 😂😂😂.
Facts bayverse should have been better especially when we get to tf4 and tf5 but some of the moments/scenes in those movies was goatee if only that quality was applied to the whole film we wouldn’t have a reboot
@giovonniiclayton True, but I think the best choice they should have done is by stopping at TF4
( where the main characters are still the original cast from 1-3 meet Cade Yeager as retired soldier who served the military, years before the transformers brought their war to earth),
save the 5th and 6th installments for later, then start with a prequel trilogy that explains the transformers lore
(like BB and ROTB for starters) create a sector 7 tv series that explains their origins and history with the transformers like in beginnings, and build up for the next sequels that takes place after AOE where it shares a connection and expands the bayverse.
Also, ROTB is neither a prequel nor a reboot. This film is a crossover that was made by the last minute due to paramount not figuring things out SMH.
@@reptilo7099 good points getting a tv show that ties into the movie’s would be a good idea
@@reptilo7099 if paramount can’t just come out and say it’s a reboot they might as well should have just did transformers 6
Bayverse was never a failure it made nearly 5 billion dollars across 5 movies the hate for this series comes from nitpicky people and geewunners. The G1 movie on the other hand only made *6 million dollars* a complete failure and now the reboot series are trying to be like G1 in live action and the movies are failing lol.
The more i see characters like these, the more i think this is how writers see people. No context, no prior life, just what they can see in a moment
pretty sad if it's the truth. That could explain why people are so judgmental
All for the sake of “diversity.”
No more white heros. Instead, we get the Hispanic main character with the racist white boss(because white people bad) and the non feminine, not very attractive black archeologist girl because of course we can no longer have women being objectified in movies. I mean really, how many black female archeologists do you think actually exist in the real world?
I personally don’t care what color the actors are but at least try to make them organic rather than injecting leftwing political ideology and forced diversity. It’s so obvious.
Most movie critics have really fallen out of grace as of late. Movies are supposed to be entertaining. Is ROTB entertaining? Yes. That means it's a good movie.
@@dkkanofkash8798 Cause pretty much every critic is looking for the next Citizen Kane lmao. They 've critiqued so much that they've forgotten what simple fun is.
@@dkkanofkash8798 is that why this movie made negative money?
The answer why CGI was superior 10 years ago is THE SCALE. Big CGI was used only in certain scenes and was used sparsely otherwise.
Today everything from the first minute to the end is heavy CGI, Marvel's Volume and so on.
That doesn't give the time to CGI guys to polish everything and still meet their dedlines.
The dumbest shit is the dead transformer turning himself into a power armour for the dude.
Agreed
The fact that they mentioned if they destroy the console, it would be a big catastrophe equal to opening the black hole that would inevitably consume earth and then suddenly just decided to destroy it anyway is still confusing to me.
This movie was so frustrating. I really want to like it and there are a lot of things i do love about it, but for everything i loved about it there was something i hated. And there were moments i burst out laughing when i dont think i was supposed to laugh.
Thank you,as a transformers fan since a kid I’m genuinely confused when ppl say this is the best of the franchise,it just felt below meh.Ppl praised that transformers had more screen time but I barely remember any transformations😂.The fight scenes had no weight to and aren’t memorable in the slightest at all, I was just blankly starring.The plot was as generic as can be and why waste unicron in this movie?.I used to get hyped seeing trailers and teaser for bayformers and for this I already knew it would be terrible.Sam as a character was way better than Noah and the girl.Hate saying the word cringe but that’s just what this movie was honestly.Oh yea I didn’t mention the maximals because they’re really isn’t anything to say about them,Rise of the beasts and we barely get anything outta them.
Your point on "missing dynamics" further convinces me that apparently there is a "macguffin" like scene that would have fixed so many issues of this movie that was cut from the film: the Transit scene. For those unaware, there were test screenings as well as released online of a deleted scene/alternate opening that was about Optimus fighting a bus Decepticon named Transit. After Prime defeats Transit, he interrogates him trying to find his ship (so Prime can get back to Cybertron). In the online released version, Transit just taunts Prime that he destroyed his ship and that he'll never make it back, and then Prime kills him. The test screening version has more though in that as part of Transit's taunting he shows Prime a hologram of Autobots back on Cybertron being tortured/executed with their last words expressing hope that Prime will return and save them; and after Prime kills Transit, he dumps his body in a lake that is filled with many other dead Decepticons.
This scene would have fixed so many issues. For one thing, it would have embodied "show-not-tell" when it comes to most of Prime's issues in the film. We understand why he's not only desperate to make it back home but also feels like a failure from the hologram. We realize that Prime's been trying to get back for a while after seeing the mass Decepticon grave (while also seeing that he's a very capable warrior). While it does not fix/justify Prime's attitude towards humans, it at least helps the audience to understand why Prime is a bit more angry in this film and at the least be very "Autobots first" rather than human focused; his people are being slaughtered for 7 years and he's been unable to do to anything about it. In fact, the dialogue between Mirage and Noah in which Mirage explains to Noah why Prime is the way he is was added because they cut this scene out (they told instead of showed).
With your "missing dynamics" point, it also addresses the power dynamics issue with at least Prime because we would see Prime be able to defeat a Deception, but then later he can't seem to land a single hit on Scourge. As the deleted scene exists now, it doesn't perfectly fix this issue, but it would not have been that hard to do. A simple modification to this deleted scene would have Prime using moves that he ends up repeating when he fights Scourge for the first time. Vs Transit, these moves are very effective; when Prime fights Scourge though, not only is he not able to land a hit, he's even over powered by Scourge. And when that happens, we'll be with Optimus when he comes to that realization that Scourge is on/over his level and says "Impossible!" In order to make it better, you could cut out the fight scene in the beginning between Apelink (the other monkey transformer) and Scourge so that the fight between Prime and Scourge is the first time we see how strong Scourge is (and perhaps like the Bumblebee movie opening just have Primal see Apelink about to fight but not actually show it, and maybe using Scourge ripping Bumblebee's Autobot logo off and placing it next to Apelink's symbol to show his fate (or if you wanted to change the final battle, have it that Apelink was possessed like Airrazor and is on the bad guy side, but that's a separate idea entirely)).
While this deleted scene doesn't fix everything (does nothing to fix the problems with the human characters), the fact that it not only would have fixed my problems with the movie but also would fix part of what you pointed out with the movie convinces me that the movie would have undeniable been better if this scene was included in the film; something that would be have been a simple fix too.
The power dynamics point seems hollow. He gave the example of OP taking on megs, starscream and grindor in Rotf sets the power dynamic.
Then by the same logic, the power dynamics can be seen in the bee movie. You have to take into account how many decepticons OP kills there and how Bee kills blizwing,
i ain't reading allat
another fix would've been to sim)ply cut the human characters
My brother i aint reading allat 💀
I aint reading allat but I agree
I might be biased because pf nostalgia but bayverse is THE GOAT
Bayverse transformers was how I was introduced to the franchise, so I'm with you on that. Though I can't help but like 2018 bumblebee the most, as well as being happy that it doesn't tie into the bayverse films. And I can't help but wonder what the transformers bayfilms would be like if the transformers looked like how they did in 2018 bumblebee.
Why is so hard to get a codirector to deal with the plot and having micheal bay do all the action scenes because no other director can get close to his action people will not watch if they cannot match the bayverse action.
Very true. But the whiners complain that his Bayverse action scenes are not coherent, that's completely false 🙄
Michael Bay's action will 4ever be superior
Even when it comes to plot, Michael Bay's movies are way superior, their plots are very ambitious and not too simplistic like Bumblebee especially, all he needs is a good writer.
And lastly Bayverse character designs are superior as well, only Que, Drift, Hound, and Crosshairs but even then it's only their humanoid faces 'cause if you look at their body designs they are actually good. G1 fans say that Bumblebee is more like G1, but come on, it's not 1984🤦
Plot: ass
character design: ass
Fight scenes: ass
Main characters: ass
Action: ass
Plot development: random
Village: ass
Back story: none
Character development: ass
CGI: beyond ass
Overall: -10/10 movie horrible fight scenes, CGI one of the worst reboots ever
You just described all 5 bayfilms. Nice
@@pryma1604 ok geewunner
@pryma1604 no way u said bayformers CGI and fights are ass.
@@PieroMinayaRojas oKaY gEeWuNnEr. I don’t even like G1.
@@pryma1604bro thought he was Sponge Bop
The problem was that this was originally supposed to be 2 movies: a Beast Wars movie and the Bumblebee sequel. Executives decided to merge the movies together into one and so there's too many characters and too much story to properly flesh out. If anything, it's the live-action equivalent of the 1987 Transformers movie where there's too many things happening for the audience to focus on. Executives want the profitability of the MCU, but aren't willing to put the effort into building Transformers into a proper cinematic universe.
Everyone wants that. Universal with the Dark Universe (R.I.P.), Sony with Venom, Morbius and Kraven films, Warner with DC, etc...
Ironically, Michael Bay did just that, the whole plan is there. They scrap it.
Rise Of The Beasts has the same flaw as Fantastic Four 2: they introduced the final boss too early. Unicron, like Galactus, is supposed to be a world destroyin' threat that gets everybody to drop everythin', regardless of which side they are on, at the very mention of their name. That kind of antagonist needs to be built up over multiple films, not relegated to the sequel.
It was clearly tacked on to generate excitement for the movie. I’ve seen a few movies do this post-COVID.
Overall I enjoyed RoTB but I agree that they blew their load too early. And it was such a weird decision to have Maximals but completely ignore Predacons. They should have pushed back the introduction of Unicron/Terrorcons to a later movie and made this more Beast Wars-y with Predacons as the antagonists.
At least Unicron didn't died in the end like what happened with Galactus.
This is probably because Unicron was teased in The Last Knight and we were supposed to get a sequel to it but it was cancelled. So they put Unicron in Rise of the Beasts instead because they probably knew the audience were waiting to see Unicron in the live action movies. Sadly, this idea absolutely ruined the story of ROTB because there was no build up and the biggest threat was already introduced so nothing else that comes after Unicron in the reboot series will be as big and exciting.
Technically Unicron wasn't the current villain. Remember, the Decepticons are a clear threat if they ever find out the Autobots were hiding on Earth, so in basic terms on Megatron's saying, the Terrorcons are foot soldiers who are nothing more than a taste. Once Megatron gets dealt with, Unicron will return after that.
I see a lot of people praising this movie and putting it at the top of their list in terms of their favorite transformers movies but like... It was just okay? It really felt like a hollow nothing movie. It was fine and all, but I felt like I didn't really gain anything from watching it.
It was disappointing to put it bluntly
@@littlealbertagirl I feel like a wet blanket. But it was just so damn boring. Say what you want about the Micahel Bay movies and their terrible lore consistency, among other things, but I was never bored during a Transformers movie until I watched ROTB
@@mordredsenpai7513 i certainly won't argue with you on either of those things (Michael bays terrible lore consistency and tf rotd being incredibly boring). I also have an extremely hard time taking the rotb movie seriously give the unintentional puns, poor story writing, bad acting, and terrible music. And I was definitely not happy when I found out that there where two separate movie scripts that might have actually been good that Steven Caple Jr. decided he didn't like and had them both scraped. (good grief, I think I need to just let this go. I still can't help but be salty about all of this though.) Sorry for the wall of text 😅
Why y’all mad in the comments? 😂
He’s right lmao
I’m gonna be honest, and this is gonna upset “transforms” fans, but man I am not a fan of the new direction transforms is heading, I’m sorry but I think bay made transformers say what you want about THOSE films at least they where entertaining and fun to watch.
This new direction is like lifeless and boring as hell. I’m sorry but to me it’s the truth, and it certainly doesn’t help how they changed everything
A lot of TF stuff still rides off the ideas and concepts from the bayverse,I’m yet to see new transformers media that brings something new and fresh to the franchise. honestly I was down for the reboot but with how mid and forgettable bumblebee and rise of the beast was paramount and hasbro should have just retconned TF4 and TF5 and got some new writers and directors after TF3, because this reboot sucks and has officially killed my interest for any future live action TF films
I believe the real reason why everything in Rise of the Beasts feels empty is because we've seen stuff like this countless times only this time it feels so devoid of excitement and intrigue.
Still better than the bayformers to me
@@Drag0n_Bolt It's literally just 'Dark of the Moon' with less action, less transformers, less explosions and less booty.
@charlestonjew7587 dog the autobots in dotm BARELY have any screentime. Even Bumblebee doesn't even have that much screen time. What the hell are you on about? I like dotm but Literally so much of it focuses on the humans or generic decepticon drones.
@@charlestonjew7587wym there is no secret alliance or betrayal in Rise Of The Beast, The literal plot of it all is Optimus wants the transwarp key to get home but now he has to learn how to be a better leader and work with humanity and the maximals
Dark Of The Moon is about Prime bringing his old mentor back online just to see him betray him and kill his best friend off. Sentinel wants the Autobots destroyed which he thought they did and now they bring Cybertron to Earth. Bots now must prove they are worthy of Earth and save the humans again.
Neither are remotely the same except one is a space bridge only going to present day cybertron while the other is the transwarp key that takes place in a different time and future with unicron coming.
You can't compare the first of a trilogy to the finale of a whole different trilogy
@@wargaurdian6010 Except you can actually compare them, one is good the other is bad
The title of the film was misleading from the start. There weren't much of the beast rising plot-wise. It was more of rise of the *Human and Autobot Alliance*
It’s been human alliances every other movie so I feel the title is fitting
Yeah and as a beast wars fan i am very dissapointed of what they had done to our poor cheetor and rhinox and the rest of their sad screen time
AND THEY SHOULD HAVE ADDED DINOBOT AND RATTRAP GODDAMMIT
I still really enjoyed the film, as my mind just made connections of power scaling based on the other movies. while they are either in a different universe, or before the Bay-films, they still help set the tone and strength of the other characters. also, small funny man from Pixels (peter dinkley) playing scourge was amazing.
I think the main reason it can fall flat to many peoples is due to the way they made it, much like Spider-Man no way home, it’s catered to lots of “older” fans or fans who know more of the mythos, so while you can really see the relation ship between someone like primal and airazor on screen, fans know the story and relation they hold in other media. As for scourge we can’t tell how power full he is supposed to be, but his demeanor and how he casually killed apelinq is supposed to show he’s not someone to mess with, him fighting prime is other example, prime is one of the strongest autobots, and Scourge is just casually toying with him
This movie makes so sense even to older fans you speak of
@@rasengan720 I’m speaking in terms of nostalgia my guy, much like no way home was filled with nostalgia, but I agree in a way seeing as it was a short fill it definitely could have benefited with a bit more time to expand
@@rasengan720it’s not that it doesn’t make sense. It’s a transformers movie, it was made for children to understand. It’s that the nostalgia is the only interesting part
But also it pissed me off the way they made Optimus look like an anxious and weak leader
@@jihanraiyan3303 I mean i Can understand the anxiety aspect, they really should have delve more into the cybertron plot, but 7 years away from home is a lot, as well as what mirage said he blames himself so it’s understandable
The movie felt like it was made by bunch of inexperienced people
Riiiiight
They got a B tier movie director to make a Transformers movie instead of an S tier director like Michael Bay.
That's because the studios kept forcing things, couldn't figure things out, and made poor choices, which led them to make this movie fail in order to please petty fans who will still talk shit 😂.
So technically, those 5 years of production were all for nothing and a waste of time SMH.
And now fans who complained about the previous films for 16 years are switching up and supporting them thats a damn shame, bruh 😂💀.
@@windfire05Facts
Has to be one of the worst movies in this franchise, up there with The Last Knight.
The Last Knight is the best Transformers movie.
@@windfire05 your mentally insane
@@tfsmfhe's speaking fax tho
All Bayverse movies>ROTB
Oh no it's you again 🙄
Exactly my thot's on the powerlevels stuff. I don't know what's a threat and what's not. So no threat no tension, no meaning. You need to know this, and excellent analysis on the everything is empty, everything is so check-boxy and nothing more. Watching ROTB I actually missed Michael Bay, the cg is also a whole lot worse than the Bay movies.
I think that one of the big problems in this movie is the technical side everything feels empty. The cinematography for example is really flat it doesn't have that thing capable to make it stick out
The fact that filmento called Sam a better character than Noah made me want to cry 😭
Fr. I relate a lot to first few minutes of Noah trying to get a job compared to Sam doing the same in DOTM because the former didnt played it like a joke and even has urgency behind it.
Bro called a stupid Gaudy coomer better than an actual protagonist
@@Vermillion_ idk maybe because the coomer has more personality that makes him more human than the protagonist that wants to save the world just because
indeed, better character =/= better main character
Noah is a better character since he more grown up
but, Sam is better main character since the plot driven him to it (his grandfather glasses) not because "oh i have to fight because the writer said so"
@@nicoary3677 true true, altough i still don't get how pepole could like Sam more on some regards
Ok I'm confused, transformers: rise of the beast is a good movie ok now I hate this guy.
Same I'm tired of those sex jokes and those boring overused explosions
The deleted Transit scene may help with the Autobot-Deception issue that we did not see in the movie. Just a hunch.
No, it ruins the story because Shatter and Dropkick weren't successful in sending out the distress signal in Bumblebee. Hence why it's removed from the final film!
@@Zodiac3107 even though there are 100s of Decepticons scowering the galaxies for the Autobots... and Prime left after the others.. and it's been a few years... and new Autobots keep dropping..
It does, because it sets up Optimus. This isnt the leader we all know, not yet. It makes sense for his charavter and how he acts. I wouldve kept thw movie exactly as it is but qouldve added that scene right after the introduction of the humans and befor the revelation of the transwarp key
@@Zodiac3107optimus in the scene himself states that he led decepticons he could find there. So he could find a way home. Also would make sense since megatron is ruling cybertron by himself and withoutnoptimus he obly worries about lesser autobots. Makes sense in worldbuilding
I think my problem with the humans here is the lack of danger, the freezer bots can't even catch up to the humans and dies pretty easily, compare to something like frenzy where agent Simmons and the others were trap in sector 7 and frenzy was trying to barge in like a horror monster and it took awhile for them to defeat frenzy before frenzy kill himself with his shurikens. The group had to barricade, use flame thrower and shotgun to survive. Noah getting a power suit also kinda have a lack of danger to it, like compare that to Sam trying to kill Starscream. There was a struggle and knowing that he's stuck on the grappling and a bomb timer and he's being swung around there is a sense of danger we feel there
Say what you will about Michael Bay and his Transformers movies, but he had his own unique flavor to the movies he directed and produced. They felt fresh, brand new, and very driven to get the plot moving. There was a lot to take in and look at and they made you feel excited to see what comes next. This... this feels more empty than Fast X.
It takes like 40 minutes until any significant plot development happens in the first 3 movies. And then we get like 6 minutes of excitement and some exposition, then there's 40 more minutes of meandering until the climax happens out of nowhere and now it's 40 minutes of nonstop action.
I never managed to relate to the argument of the bay movies being dumb fun cuz like there hardly is any fun in them. All of them are like 2 and a half hours long but the runtime isn't really spent on action. It's mostly meandering
@@eiriksundby There was quite a lot of action in those movies. It was just rather action for the sake of action. To show cool explosions and robots fighting. I liked the first two though. It was fun.
@@d4slaimless the action was heavily backloaded tho. These movies are like 2 hours 40 minutes but there's barely any at all until the third act. The rest is just humans skittering around and screaming in eachothers face how much they hate eachother.
"driven to get the plot moving"
you really saying bayverse is plot-driven? Man I think I watched the wrong movies.
If only we just got a Bumblebee-like film with more plot.
And it would be nice if it wasn't just "we need a super powerful lawn decoration" for once. If they did bumblebee, but gave the characters clearer goals, they would have an amazing movie.
That's what this film is
@@briishbananabread and it bombed lol
the bumblebee film wasnt good it also felt empty, in fact more than rise of beasts for me as i like the human relishable as the oldest brother its relatable and well done overall.
That is what I was hoping for. I still enjoyed rise of the beasts but he is sadly right. The movie had a lack of substance, like how most maximals hardly speak. I think the movie could have benefitted from a longer runtime.
the thing about these videos is that it gives you words for your feelings I liked this movie but I preferred the old ones over this one but he can perfectly define my feelings
Not to be racist but I think this movie was a flop because they hired colored/latino, unknown B/C grade director, cinematographer, composers, actors etc just for diversity points not to make an actual final product or for skills.
Thats literally say nothing, they hired a dude who actually knows and likes mostly of the transformers media, not only g1, then he cast as a main lead another tf fan, the composer was a friend of steven, so he got the job, amd also he still did a good music (if you hated the rap parts, blame steven for that, not the composer who just followed the others), also the movie was already written before steven was even chosen as director, so he needed to make changes to the script but still following the original story, which lead to a script where steven couldnt use the maximals at full, and also, the movie was made during covid, which a lot of movies where badly damaged by that
This video was a hard pill to swallow for me since I love ROTB. Now while I can understand the points talked about in this video I don’t personally agree. What Steven did with this movie was take every point of criticism from the Bayverse and try to stay as far away from them as possible. Such as how people hate the human characters of the Bayverse. How people say Sam simply did everything to get laid and only cared about getting that girl (Michaela). People thought the robots were over designed. I personally love the Bayverse designs but I understand. And of course the action, people say that you can’t tell what’s going on in the fights. I myself could see, but I understand why other people would have a problem. In ROTB Steven gave us a human cast that have relatable motives and cares of there own, he gave us robot designs similar to G1 and some not as much but that weren’t hard to look at, he gave us action that’s I do agree is far more simple, but is easy to follow. I believe ROTB was intended to be the TF movie to make everything as plainly obvious to the viewer as possible for the casual fans. It isn’t my favorite TF movie ever. But I believe it succeeded at what it needed to do.
It showed us what a Transformers movie is supposed to look like without the direction of Michael Bay, who is known for taking everything about the TF brand that makes it special and treats it as a mallet for his movies to smash things with. Unfortunately, it was denounced by the masses who think the two are somehow codependent on each other.
Making Optimus look less weird, and giving him more calm lines would have solved half of what was wrong with the film.
After so many transformer movies and reboot, the first trilogy is still the best version for me. Personally i so much prefer the first trilogy design for the transformer, the "transform" thing was so much better in the first trilogy. The fighting also much better the clash between metal, the explosion and contact with the machine feel like was so much better than the next version 4-5 and now. The new movies after the first trilogy the fight for me were to much clean, not much feeling in the fighting.
The amount of times i've seen people call Bayverse a trilogy within the past few months really makes me miss the Bayverse, sure people love to remove 4 and 5 (except the Dinobot charge AOE and Dragonstorm charge TLK which people will still remember), and it's clear that within the trilogy, there was a certain direction to be followed.
While ROTF is a big problem, I wouldn't mind if the real trilogy was '07, DOTM, and AOE.
DOTM is a basically a better remake of ROTF, and I wish AOE had blended the alien designs with the humanoid designs instead of the latter, emphasized the Transformers overstaying their welcome, and end with the most fitting conclusion, Optimus leaves to chase the Creators). That would be a perfect gateway to a proper second trilogy focusing on the bigger stakes beyond Earth.
That would've been a lot better than being left with a cliffhanger that Optimus will go for his Creators in space, only for the plot of TLK to on Earth anyway. I am confident it IS a lot better because ROTF and AOE are TF's biggest missed potentials, with DOTM slightly improving what ROTF failed. TLK didn't really need to exist, but it could exist in a way that isn't how it is right now
No one gonna talk about how the main appeal of the movie is the primals but they really only showed up on the second half the movie and only transformed for a few seconds
Bayverse (the trilogy) was badass, this is just trying to salvage what's left with none of the spirit.
Yea and action they move so slow and choppy like I want to see that crap
Definitely not this movie was just as cool as the others
@blendedcircuit479 you mean the robot dinosaurs who did absolutely nothing in the movie? They were barely on screen and when they were, they looked like a mass of walking junkyard scrapmetal vaguely in the shape of a t-rex. And again, they did nothing. And we're wasted in the 5th movie.
@@bantuboi3131That is why the Transformers fandom is in a crazy place right now. Some wanted Bay back. His critics think this film is trying to get back to Bay's stuff and not care about what Bumblebee has put in. It is confusing and I don't know if they truly want a good transformers movie or not.
I mean I think this film is already better because the robots have this neat little thing called a personality. Bay fans seem to not like or care about the titular characters in their franchise having it... for some reason.
Honestly, despite the hate that the bayformers gets, I loved the designs that they used and their scaling. I honestly like it more than the g1 aesthetic and wished they used it here. Still cool movie tho
Finally someone who understands me
@@kingbumblebeetv fr!
G1 look > bayformers
@@thecunninlynguist in some aspects I very much agree (just look at sound wave), but I like the more organic-robotic look, rather than the blocky Minecraft look
@@23tovarm5 yea this under rock turd be like g1 they transform so simple yet the toys shows how bubble bee is an example how it's impossible the simple car to robot form is consider there's no car parts even car cover is still seen when they transform and they all walking cubes. No curves no nothing.
The biggest failure was the fact that they didn't get Maurice LeMarche, a man known for his Orson Welles impression, to voice Unicron! Well, that and Wheeljack's design.
One thing that your perspective is missing is that both Bumblebee and this movie are not in the same universe as the Bay films. And honestly, all the problems that you say this movie has are even more present in the Bay films.
Also, the mcguffin is a device that can teleport through space-time. The heroes just leave it in pieces on Earth. They can keep teleporting it away forever.
Funny enough, Primal in the movie said that because maximal is the spreader of life
I know it’s not said in the movie, but conditions seemed to me that there has to be energon in the planet. if there’s no energon then no teleporting, so not an infinite way to run away.
As someone who loved this movie I see why you see it a sa failure and I have some things to address
Concerning the part where bumblebee isn't established, he is, he was in the movie wearing his name so we know what he is capable of, however there was a scene that was supposed to be included instead of (or before) the Maximals intro, where Prime chases down a Decepticon to get his ship so the Autobots can go back to Cybertron, this would have corrected the problem of prime not being established and why they are trapped here
About the over abundance of Macgufins on earth, you mixed the Knightverse (Bumblebee and Rise of the beasts) with Bayverse (2007 - the last knight) which are two different continuities, so no earth in this continuity does not have 800 relics capable of destroying the solar system on it
Finally concerning the emptiness and the deaths, for Prime you are right, it lowers the stakes, but when you know about Transformers, you know that reviving one is really easy compared to humans as they are machines, that's why I don't find that too bad that he revives (however the fact the trailers spoils it is a bad thing)
I think the overall problem about this movie is more about the length of it, there had been only one character that has been well established, which is Bumblebee and this movie is what established every other, and has to in 2h00 which is way too short for that imo. Another problem is that it bases itself way too much on hoping the public is a fan of Transformers and knows everything related to the lore which in turn makes so some scenes don't have enough explanations
I think I said it all
Tl;dr: I loved the movie, you didn't, you made valid points and I said what I had to say about some of your points as a transformers fan
Anyway, great video !
(Sorry for broken english, not a native speaker)
Counterpoints:
#1. If that scene was cut, there should've been ANOTHER SCENE demonstrating what Bumblebee can do, instead of just...nothing.
#2. Is it a reboot? Like, it could be, but...how is the average moviegoer supposed to know that for sure? Seems to me like they were keeping it intentionally vague because they hadn't decided yet. In any case, it's still a lazy plotpoint that's been used over and over again, regardless if he movie is a reboot or not.
#3. If reviving transformers is super easy, that actually makes things EVEN WORSE, because now we can't take ANY deaths seriously! It's the DBZ problem all over again.
Huh, not gonna lie, this was interesting to read.
But I also wanna ask. You mentioned that this movie has a problem of "relying On movie goers been TF fans to understand stuff".
Yet for some reason nobody talks about a thing that regardless if your TF fan or not, is quite confusing regardless. Aka Mirage's "transforming in to anything you want at any time" thing.
More specificly, his ability to change in to what ever vehicle he wants, regardless if it makes sence. Like ex him been a real live size garbagetruck, even tho he is way smaller than Prime.
Heck, by that logic Stratosphere is even more unless, since all that autobots needed to do, was to scan a plain of any kind, and they could move anywhere they wanted.
And don't even get me started on the whole "Mirage becoming an Human armour" thing. Cause this comes completly out of nowhere.
@@erubin100it’s a reboot ROTB and bumblebee conflict heavily with the events of the first 5 movies
@@dedalionarts6077 You're totally right and I don't have infos about that, I'm a fan but I haven't watched enough to be a 100% sure source of info about everything TF related
I discovered Mirage in that movie and I was also confused about his afterimages and his multiforms without having more parts (unlike Blitzwing in the cartoons and the two decepticons of the Bumblebee movie which have the parts of all their transformations on their robot mode)
I recall the F1 being a reference to his G1 transformation, and all his abilities may also be a reference to what he could do in G1 and all, but once again, I may be wrong
However when talking about TF we need to keep in mind it's based on a child's cartoon, so if they want to please the G1 fans, the "ultrarealistic" fans will be disappointed and Vice versa that's also why some illogical things are going to happen, just to please to nostaligia over realism
Edit: Mirage's clones are indeed a reference to his abilities in the cartoon where he is capable of making illusions, but I did not find anything concerning his ability to transform into any vehicule without scanning them so I think they extended it in the movie to having the appearance of another vehicule as an illusion, or making so it boosts his ability to transform ? I don't know but it surely needs some explanation
@@erubin100 #1 The scene was cut because it was "too violent" (even though scourge's death was way more violent but anyway), also it was about Optimus Prime, not Bumblebee
#2 Bumblebee became a reboot when The Last Knight failed, they added the Cybertron scene at the start of the movie last minute, but yeah they should've been clear about the fact those movies where now their own saga
#3 You're right, and that's always been a problem for me too, Optimus Prime and Megatron both have a history of always coming back to life, however if that can reassure you, a Transformers that gets either his head, or his spark (heart if you prefer) destroyed, is definitively dead (unless some artefacts like the all spark and such things come into play)
This movie was way better thn the last 2 transformers movies.
Yeah like anything can be better than those ugly monstrosities
I think my ranking is 1, 3, Bumblebee, ROTB, 2, 4, 5
Bumblebee, 3, ROTB, 1, AOE, TLK, ROTF.
It's a tie with AOE for me. (I really liked the final act of AOE)
1. DOTM
2. '07
3. ROTF (i know this is a weird placement for ROTF)
4. AOE/ROTB
5. BUMBLEBEE
6. TLK (obviously)
@@Vhie05great list
I haven’t seen it but the cinematography just feels lacking. The bay formers looks gigantic, feels large, complicatedly cool. The ones here look like toys in my old toybox.
Bayformers are way better. I felt like I watched nothing but some autobots fights after eatvhing this. The fightd aren't bad. But what the fuck is this...
I wish they'd gotten Travis Knight to direct again and had Charlie from the Bumblebee movie as the main human character again. Bumblebee felt like it had more passion put into it and Charlie and Bee's friendship was sweet. It feels so weird that they didn't have her be the new Sam.
Tbh I also wish they'd just do an adaptation of the IDW comics.
True enough, but these new human characters didn't even feel like characters. Which is a problem when we spend most of the runtime watching them do shit we could have just had the robots do.
@@mkrnightvee4407How was Noah not a character to you?? Genuinely curious
Careful, saying Bumblebee was a solid Transfomers film sends the Transformers community into a massive tism fit, especially the Bayformers fans.
@@Whydoweneedhandles427 Counterquestion, what made them be like characters?
@@cooljim1376 I'm a Bayformer fan and I loved the Bumble Bee movie. Theres a lot of charm in it that you won't find anywhere else and not only that but the Characters were all entertaining and actually felt like real people a first and maybe last for TF movies.
Honestly, since I'm a fan of transformers, it was easier for me to get into the movie, but man this movie is NOT very informative to newcomers. They should have kept the deleted scene Optimus trashing Transit in the beginning
A movie so bad it makes u miss bayformers
Genuinely didn't know this movie had been released..
They had the treasure cove of nostalgia that is Beast Wars and as usual squandered it.
The irony is, Bay actually wanted to do BW too. There are even concept designs of some of the bots. The studios fucked him over hard for the 5th film.
@@ngultrum1 they quit literally rewrote reedited and remake the entirety of the 5th movie to make it a giant sequel bait for a cinematic universe, and once it failed they blamed it all on him and fucked off, with bumble bee as a reboot
this is literally the snider cut but instead of snider menaging to release his own cut, we got a mess of a reboot series
I thoroughly enjoyed this motion picture
lol
@@StratumPress lol
Me too. Not understanding how he hates this, and just gushed enthusiasm for Guardians three which was terrible.
Look at this movie apart from the original bay verse, and watch with a lens of base knowledge of generation one transformers along with beast wars.
This is a movie fans of the source material can enjoy, because it delivers what Bay messed up.
@@Sean-eo8nsBays original Transformers is miles above this crackhead film with no plot or soul.
@@mjl11dawg the bay films literally have no plot or soul filmento said that himself in their videos lol