Vast: The Crystal Caverns Full Playthrough
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- Here is my Vast: The Crystal Caverns full board game playthrough.
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This guy is one of the best I've ever seen at explaining a game. Great job!
This is pretty amazing. I can't thank the content creators enough.
Aren't you one of the creators ?
Patrick Leder Aren't you one of the creators?
Yes and I'm thanking the person that made the video, the content creator.
@@patrickleder8415 My friends and I are having a blast with this game! Thank you so much Patrick and also thanks to the tutorial maker :)
truee. this is very helping me
Wow, what a close ending! I liked how you gave insight into the decisions each character was making, really makes the rules easier to understand.
@Jon:
50:28 You use wing and flame cards, but activate a claw and flame ability.
1:17:00 The quest gives you 3 grit, but you only gain 2 (going from 37 to 39).
1:26:30 You attack an underground dragon without the use of a bomb. The extra cube you had left would have to be placed there.
1:28:45 You would need to have activated the bomb to attack an underground dragon, so you would have no spare cubes, preventing you from resolving an additional event.
1:38:37 You jump back to the knight's turn, move to a different space and re-resolve the swift quest despite having moved on to the goblins turn (looks like the video got edited strangely).
A great playthrough as always.
Thanks for all the notes, in particular that last one is pretty embarrassing. I recorded many of the turns a couple times as I figured out the right thing to do, it looks like I slipped up there and let two versions go into the final vid. If I'd known about this right after posting I'd probably take it down and redo it, but at this point I think I'll let it ride with an annotation about it :(
I wouldn't worry about it too much--looks like most folks didn't even notice it.
Thanks for the great content--your playthroughs are always a pleasure to watch.
@@JonGetsGames I did notice that the game winning move--by the cave player--was to take a tile that had 2 adjacent sides. But didn't you create a tile with only 1 adjacent side when you pulled the previous tile? Does this force you to take that tile, now that it has only 1 side?
I'm not actually calling out a mistake, more checking on the rules concerning this...
Really great job. Playing four different roles, keeping everything straight and keeping it interesting is just amazing.
1:01:01 from rulebook: "A few of the Dragon’s powers reveal tiles,
sometimes several at a time. When you
reveal tiles, flip them over in the order
you choose, rotating each so it forms an
unbroken path to the Entrance tile, if
possible."
Just starting to watch this now as a fan of Jon for the last couple of years. Could not keep a smile off my face after the first minute seeing this hyper version of Jon who has clearly over indulged in coffee before presenting. Very funny but still yhe best game presenter ever. Thank you.
Ha, yeah I try not to feel too much embarrassment when I see older videos like this :P
Great job! Also it brightened my day when the dragon rolls a FLAME DIE!!! .....and drops it saying oopsy daises! 1:00:38 :-)
Jon is such a nice positive chap with a lovely smile. He always cheers me up.
@45:09 : As far as I know from the rules of the game, 1 Perception gives 1 Encounter, so placing a cube on the Pixie Lantern is equivalent to putting a cube to gain 1 Encounter AND 1 Movement; therefore, it's better than just getting 1 Encounter from your character sheet.
Ahh, good clarification. That does make that item far better than I realized while playing.
It is probably the second or third best of the Treasures. The Boots would probably be a dead heat at +3 movement. It also potentially gives you 5 Perception to shut down the Thief.
At 41:23, should that move have been illegal? The rules for the Giant Bats state that you can't move Goblins through walls
Much respect bro... I know this wasnt an easy one to get thru. Appreciated and keep on gaming !
I confess that I came late to this game. I picked up a used copy last summer, but hadn't had a chance to play. At the end of our first ever local encounter with the GenCon library, I taught, then played games from 8:30 in the morning until 9:00 at which point I was going to head out, but was asked by a couple if I had played Vast. None of us had. We made a poor choice and tried to learn it on the fly, which didn't go so well. Your video has brought me to the point where I will be sharing it with that same couple so we can get together (whenever that is allowed again) and enjoy this game. Thank you for showing me its VAST potential after it and I got off to a poor start!
Trying to learn this from the rules with multiple people sounds like a recipe for disaster. I hope this ends up helping once you can get it back to the table :)
I don't subscribe to channels often, but after watching this, instant subscribe!
I just was thinking I need a play through for this game and you delivered! I have held on to this since gencon and now I am ready.
Thanks for this.
At the end of the game, would the Cave not have to remove the tile that the goblin tribe was on, because it was only touching one other tile? Thus extending the game... Or are the removal rules different because the tribe was on it? I am confused.
Thank you for the Full gameplay. It was kind of hard to find it for this game
51:20, I don't think you should have been able to add more than one cube to the Wakefulness track in a single turn. I really like this video tutorial! I tried setting this up on my own and I kept trying to rewatch Patrick Leder's videos (he's adorable, but not unfortunately not very good at explaining his game). and this is what really brought everything together. I feel ready to teach this to my group. Thanks!
Good luck with the game, I hope you enjoy it :)
I had a lot of fun! And I realized that my "correction" here is wrong - you can't remove multiple cubes from the same track, my bad!
Great play through, thank you. Your game end debrief was quite well detailed and touched on many points. Of course, normally 4 players will play 4 roles and thus have to focus only on their play (and not all the interactions). However, I have this game and have found it a bit too difficult for a family type game (but close). I think the complex rules interactions (and a bit the wording in the rulebook) take this away from being a fun family game. Maybe a fun game-group game (GGG), but not really for parents and children.
The thing I noticed about the designs of Leder Games is that you really need to know what others are doing to get the most fun out of it, instead of just focusing on your own engine. They're build around interactions, a lot of them not mandatory but requiring players' own initiative.
At 50 mins - Slither moves cubes between tracks. You moved it from a Pride track space to another pride track space. Although it looks like a different track, it is not, as clarified in the rules about how many cubes can be removed from a track in a turn - all within the pride box count as pride track.
This game looks amazing. I had to back it. I love the vast differences between the players but they still interact with each other and there appears to be a nice balancing act between them.
Thanks for making this video! I just heard about this game and wanted to see it more in-depth, and this video does a great job both of showing how a full game plays out and of giving clear, detailed explanations of the rules as you play. (And all the annotations of rule corrections were great, too.)
watched this right before our first game, this helped so much! Amazing playthrough Jon! Thanks!
I'm glad it helped you out :)
At 1:19:10 when you can draw 2 goblin war and only have one. The rules state you should shuffle the war cards together in every goblin turn.
Thank you for doing this. I can only imagine how much of a chore this one is. This video really helped me out.
super awesome play through..gave an in depth inside and am backing this game on KS just because of you. Keep up the good work!!
Great job! Just got my Kickstarter and this made going through the rule book a lot simpler.
This video is amazingly helpful. Such great explanation.
Awesome video, thanks for teaching us Vast!
Hi! Ridiculously cool playthrough u did here! The game looks super fun! Keep up the good work! :)
Can you comment on how this felt as a solo multi-handed game? How was handling "hidden information" while playing everyone's turns? It's been long I know... but maybe it left a lasting impression compared to all the other games you play multihanded.
Seems like the "hidden information" here isn't that big of a deal:
- Knowing which sidequests the Knight has doesn't really change how the other roles adapt to her since trying to deny those will usually hurt them more than it hurts her.
- Knowing which Secrets the Goblins are sitting on has the most impact on the Knight, but even then the most powerful ones tend to get used on the turn they're drawn, or Goblins can get in positions where it's impossible for the Knight to avoid them entirely.
- Dragon's cards just aren't looked at until starting the Dragon's turn so those remain hidden on the other players' turns anyway.
- The cave tiles can be drawn randomly I guess.
- Thief has no hidden information anyway, so no problem there either.
Honestly, I don't remember anything about filming this video anymore because it was so long ago. Sorry!
considering there were so many moving parts and rules and basically 4 different games, this was pretty smooth. he didnt look like this was difficult at all.
@1:16:40 it is my understanding that you should have resolved the event of both the tile you started on and moved through, each costing an encounter.
Yes! Been waiting on this, thanks for the play through!
JON! Have you considered doing the Mysterious Manor Playthrough? I know the two games are similar, but they’re different enough to where I think it deserves it’s own video!
I never had a copy of that one, so I never considered making a video for it.
@@JonGetsGames well… it’s on sale right now!!! :)
Great playthrough, definitely getting a copy of this.
The dragon at 1:23:36 could have moved to the nearby dark tile with the eye tribe symbol so that the knight has no longer a straight line of sight required by the enchanted bow.
at 1:38:00 to 1:39:00 the final adventurer movement is repeated twice. I don't know if this is worth editing, but thought I would mention it. Thanks for the great play through Jon! I love your shows.
This was an editing mistake, I put in an annotation explaining it but unfortunately these notes don't show up when people watch youtube on mobile devices :-\
Great play through, Jon! Based on my understanding, the Knight cannot move when her perception has been consumed, which would mean the move at 34:41 is illegal. This is a tough rule to justify, so my group always gives me a hard time when we play. Not a criticism, but I figured it was worth mentioning to reinforce the rule. (Or to prompt someone to correct my understanding if I'm doing it wrong.)
Thanks for catching this! I've noted that already in the video since I make this mistake a couple times I think :-\
At 1:38:36 the Knight takes an mysterious extra 2 movement on the Goblins turn and from an area they weren't previously at. I'm assuming it was some error in editing, but it's definitely strange.
I've cleared this up with annotations, this was an editing mistake. I accidentally showed both versions of the movement that I was contemplating.
I think at 1:01:23 the dragon should unlock the dark red cube for having placed the 3rd (fire) dragon gem while oneother one is in play.
Also 1:04:20 the Giant bat cannot move a piece through walls as stated on the cave mat, so the knight cannot be moved onto the tile with the treasure symbol.
Brilliant video of a unique game. Thanks Jon.
The only rule that is kind of wonky is the rule that the Cave player must play a crystal tile on their turn if they have it. There is no way for the other players to know if he has a crystal tile but doesn't play it.
Thank you so much. Great video.
Great play through! Really helped to understand the game better.
Around 41 in you have the cave move the goblins through a wall. Giant bats can't move them through walls.
You are the best man, now I know how to play correctly
Hey! The thief is missing in this video! :D
Actually The Cave dont have to win from my point of view, cause last tile you removed from game was with 2 neighbouring tiles and the tile close to it was with one.
*reads Giant Bats description* *skips part about NOT moving through walls* "in retrospect, i believe this is incorrect"
Anyway, mistakes happen, especially in an asymmetric game where you control all the players. But a very good video nonetheless!! Good editing, nice camera angles, good explaining!!
This game looks a little complicated, but so also looks like a lot of fun at the same time!
Amazing playthrough for what looks like a fantastic game. Thank you so much. Subscribed!
wow, an hour and fifty minutes! must have taken you a long time. Thanks Jon!
Very informative and well done, thanks for a great explanation of play
This video is amazing. It helps so much with explaining this game! Very helpful!
Thanks Bart! I'm glad you found it useful :)
Hi!! I loved this video.
I just have a question:
In the last cave turn, the last tile with 1 edge was removed, so the cave can remove tiles with two edges. This generates new tiles with 2 edges, so, cave toke it and won. But that also generates a new 1 edge tile. Instead of taking the piece that gives you the win (new 2 edges), should not take the new tile with 1 edge instead?
Yes, unfortunately I did mess this up. You are correct here.
@@JonGetsGames I guess the cave could have taken the crystal tile from underneath the dragon instead (2 edges), then remove the crystal tile next to it (now only 1 edge, thanks to clever positioning earlier in the game) for the win. Same end result.
Great job in explaining the game. Thanks man
Great game but extremely difficult to set and explain it to a group of new players. So either you play with a dedicated group or you forget it until 2040 and sell it on ebay.
This video is super well made! Thank you!
At 1:29:32 two encounter tokens should have been placed on the two revealed/placed tiles
Nice explanation of the rules. I do my best in english, but i got it at 99.9%! ;)
I'll finally play a game with all the rules in my pocket :)
Thx
Great playthrough! Thanks a lot!
1:28.00 I think you didn't use bomb to attack the dragon there.
Gtrat video, made me fall in love with this game 😊 wonder how you could concentrate, explain and play well at the same time 😇😎
It certainly took a while to create :) I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Thanks for the runthrough! I found out that if i put the speed at 0,75 I can follow along way better (although you sound a bit sleepy) 😂
Thanks for the very concise breakdown! You just became one of my go-to guys for game explanation! One point of criticism though: you talk really fast! :) I have to put my youtube on 0,75 speed to keep up. But again, stellar job overall!
fantastic explanation!
I would have been angry if the Knight won, since it was the Knight who got the most mistakes, most of which benefited them a lot ;) I think the cave won because players weren't really trying to remove the cave's tokens (treasures) from the board. I also have a gut feeling, that the goblins would have won if they played their cards a little bit better. This is definitely my type of game!
While I try to film these as accurately as possible, games like Vast with their huge number of rules and exceptions does make it hard. I also try to play the game well for each player, but I agree that the Goblins could have done better with the options they had.
@@JonGetsGames Of course this wasn't some huge criticism, just observations / impressions, loved the video!
How was the dragon underground at 1:07? It was on a revealed tile.
The dragon always starts the game underground and asleep. In fact, the dragon stays underground until it wakes up; then it must go to a Crystal tile where it can burst above ground.
Boosting the knight's perception stat doesn't allow for another encounter?
very cool...well done and a cool game
Minute 34:40 you move 2 tiles, but in the rules says that you can only move if you have any encounters remaining. Is that right?
Unfortunately, it's been too long since I played this game to remember the rules enough to answer your question. Sorry about that!
That was an awesome video. Someone may have asked this already, but on the final cave turn wouldn't taking the second tile (second collapse) make the top tile touch only one side, and therefore you HAVE to take that one instead of the final crystal tile? Sorry if it's pedantic but really trying to learn this game so I can engage my game group in it!
I do believe this has been pointed out before, and yes I messed this up unfortunately. You are correct that I needed to remove the top tile instead of the final one I grabbed.
Wow! I too wasn't expecting the cave to win, & thought that it was slightly weaker in comparison.
Still a big turning point was the knight stumbling into an event that triggered the massive tile placement, which made me curious: during the late game - with the knight having most/all of her grit -, was there any reason for the knight to trigger events/ reveal new tiles unless necessary?
Also could the knight move into an unlit tile, reveal it and choose not to interact with its encounter but move onto the next one? If so I'm even more unsure of why the knight would want to trigger events late game.
Good questions, I'm not near the rules right now so I'm honestly not sure if it's a forced event reveal or not. I played it like it was, and I had the knight reveal because they were so close to death and I figured the Cave would try to give them a heal (there are a couple in the event deck) to stop the goblins from winning. It just happened that the Cave drew a far better card for themselves vs keeping their opponents in check.
It's also possible that this was a misplay, I do my best to do playthroughs that have good strategy and actions in them but I still make mistakes even when playing against myself :)
It's okay :) I cross-checked the rules & BGG and you played it correct. If the knight move into an unlit tile she MUST encounter it (which encompasses reveal & all interactions with the tile). In fact it's stated that the knight can't move if she has no movement OR encounter left, whether lit or unlit.
Also in the words of the designer:
"The Knight is required to:
- Reveal and Resolve Tiles
- Resolve Encounter Tokens
- Attack Goblin Tribe
- Attack Surfaced Dragon
The Knight may pass through:
- Underground Dragon
- The Thief
- Treasures and Gems"
Also I wouldn't say it was a misplay given that it was based on "the knight's" knowledge of the cave event, along with predicting what "the cave" might do.
On hindsight it might be a misplay, though given how close the knight was to dying it was a worthy gamble for the knight player - high possibility of dying NOW vs lower chance of cave (who's presumably in last place) gaining some ground.
Though I'd assume if the knight was well off there wasn't any reason to reveal more tiles? Then again more unlit tiles = more grounds for the goblins, so there's that factor... very complicated indeed :p
What happens if the knight is caught on an ambush but all the goblins tribes are already revealed in the cave?
Honestly it's been so long since I played this that I don't really remember any of the rules. I suggest asking any questions over in the rules section of the BoardGameGeek forums for the game.
Great video.
Very helpful! On 1.25, shouldn't the knight have activated the bomb, because the dragon is still underground? Edit: you comment on this in the next attack.
1:48:27 cave player adds to the cave for expansion
this is awesome! thx for making this video!
At 41:23 the Cave uses Giant Bats to move the Eye goblin tribe through a wall 🤔 Am I missing something?
Just a simple mistake. Forced Movement of the Goblins cannot be through Walls.
Almost 2h video, i wonder how long you were recording this. Respect anyway!
It took just over 8 hours of raw footage, there's a lot going on and I really tried to play it without errors which meant lots of searching online while playing.
This game looks amazing. Does anyone know how it plays with 2?
There are variant rules that allow you to play with anything from 1-5 players. It is fun with 2, and there are a number of options to cover different roles playing each other (not just Dragon vs. Knight, for example)
great video!
at 34:42 why should the movement not happen? do you need an encounter to end your turn?
Once the knight runs out of perception their turn is supposed to end even if they have more movement points leftover.
Second printing of the game going on right now at kickstarter.
www.kickstarter.com/projects/2074786394/vast-the-crystal-caverns-second-printing-with-mini
How to recognize if the game is first or second printing from the level of the box only?
36:30: If one or more tribes overpopulate, a tribe scatters. Not necessarily one that overpopulated-
For the goblin player, can they see what they lay down before hand on the tiles or do they just go off of the symbols on the back for the different tribes?
Honestly, I don't remember since I haven't played this game in almost 2 years. I'd try posting in the BGG forums if you can't find it in the rulebook :)
You totally made me want to get this game, thanks so much for making it easy to understand. I’ll have to find some other games I want and see your videos on them.
Do the goblins have to be revealed to use their special action or can they use it when you don't place them as well? The rulebook is unclear to me that they have to be revealed to use the special action. So when you didn't place the fangs tribe to have them ready to ambush for example, could you have increased your rage by 1?
It's my understanding that they must be revealed in order to do their special action. I believe theres a reminder of this actually printed on the goblin's player board. In fact I believe the only things they can do when hidden are: Reveal, Lurk, or Ambush.
Oh Duh, I see it now. I wish it was in the rulebook under special actions since I was looking at the rulebook vs the board when I played.
1:44:00 The one with only one side should have been removed, right?
That's correct, I did this in error unfortunately.
The Knight screwed up so bad, she could have just triggered the event she started the round on, couldn't she? Then the Cave wouldn't have been able to place 4 whole tiles.
doesn’t the awoken dragon have to abide by walls? how would it have gotten out from the point where it woke up? great video btw.
Honestly I don't remember anything about the game since it's been years since I played. I'm glad you enjoyed the video, sorry I can't be of more help about your question.
JonGetsGames yeah, it’s great. we just got the game recently and are having a ton of fun. - especially thx to your amazing video!
if you watch from around 1:18:00 you moved the dragon behind a wall with no way out in the bottom left corner. later the dragon awakes and moves “up” in that same cornered section. i can’t understand how that could have worked. since the surfaced/awake dragon cannot move through walls... he couldn’t have gotten to the exit. :) or am i missing something?
@@seraphimipx2611 It's certainly possible that this was a mistake, unfortunately I no longer have the game and again don't remember how it is played so I can't say for certain.
@@JonGetsGames that's fine! :) i didn't want to point out any mistakes. and honestly; i find it super cool your are still engaging in comments of older videos. all the best to you and your channel! cheers
Hello Jon! How would you compare Vast with Root? I've played Root. It seems like they share the same sort of asymmetry. Do you agree?
I haven't had a chance to play Root so I can't compare them.
if knight reveal ambush and strenght more than the ambush what happen to that tribe goblin
while im sure you know by now look at 30:15
if the knight had revealed an ambush tile in the first round, would the goblins be able to attack/ambush?
No, the Goblins have no strength to attack with at the beginning.
+Patrick Leder Thanks
+Patrick Leder I would be intrigued by what the next setting would be.
The next game will be set in a squarish haunted house and be called Vast: The Mysterious Manor. It will feature some tableau building. The characters will be a Paladin, a loose group of Orcs, a Giant shape changing Spider, the Manor itself, and a Witch. I hope to have a prototype done by this weekend as I am hoping to take it to a convention the following.
+Patrick Leder thanks. I have this game and I remember when you changed the name from Trove to Vast. I wish you the best with the new project.
Question about overpopulation: if you pay 1 rage, you still get the population (up to 4) ?
At 41 mins - giant bats can't fly through walls.
What if the dragon never moves?
John ever get a review in for this?
No, I actually sold my copy recently. I only ever played it twice, once for this video and once with friends. It's a fascinating design, but ultimately takes too long to play and I wasn't interested enough in dedicating the time I needed to play it enough times to review.
It´s there any video for the fearsome foes?
I won't be making one, I ended up removing Vast from my collection a while ago since it wasn't seeing play with my group.
What happens if you remove a tile that the knight or dragon are on? Thanks for doing this, planning on playing this for the first time tonight with my group!
Unfortunately I don't remember this rule and I no longer have a copy of the game to help out. I hope your first play ended up going well :)
JonGetsGames Yeah, it was epic. all 4 of us had a blast and plan on playing again soon. i did find the ruling on the cave rule sheet. thx.
"If a removed tile holds a player piece, it is forced to move away. Refer to Forced Movement for more details"
Curious: how comes you didn't play with the thief?
I usually do 3 player playthroughs, and occasionally do 4p when I think it makes for a much better video. Doing a 5p a game with the thief would have just taken too much time for me to make sense.
+JonGetsGames Thanks