BionicBeans That’s because every player who teaches a game will almost always lose. As the game teacher in my group, it’s rare that I ever win. By belief is that the student players have less to worry about as they play since they don’t know the game as well as the teacher player. The teacher player knows everything and over thinks instead of just playing. Plus the teacher player has to break their turns so much to help the other players on their turns that they typically and sometimes purposely screw themselves over for the sake of teaching lol.
This video is so well made. It really helped me understand this game. You're one of the best Jon and I'm not just saying that, because my name is also John.
Long time viewer here and I just want to say that your content is always such high quality. The industry benefits greatly from your perspective and I appreciate you and other content creators(MvM, Ant Lab, NPI) for setting new standards in our hobbies video content.
@@JonGetsGames I think it's the constant getting of stuff (points, gold, etc) that really makes this game seem so riveting. I can't wait to tear the shrink-wrap off and play this game!
Excellent play through, Jon. I've played this once, and didn't love it, but watching this definitely makes me want to get it to the table again. In the game I played the player who went after the purple track the hardest did the best as well. I don't know if that's necessary to win the game, but will be trying it when I do get my copy to the table.
The first time I played was 3p and we sorted by pips as well as color, creating essentially a matrix of dice to choose from. This was necessary for us though since one of the players is color blind and was having a rough time with a couple of those colors.
Great video. I now realize I’ve been playing a rule wrong. Those end of game scoring cards - I thought they were for how many cards of that colour you had, not where you were on the track. That makes them a lot less useless! 😀
One mistake: when it's the dummy player and its his turn to discard a card it the right most card with the highest influence but when its a tie its the left most. There where 3 cards with an influence of 3 so the left most should have been picked. There is an example in the rulebook.
Dang, I certainly had some trouble with payment errors in this playthrough. Thanks for pointing that out, I'll add a note to the klingon subtitles about it.
General rule you messed up the whole game, when a neutral die removes a card, you remove the highest card that is FURTHEST from the board. The rulebook says the "Leftmost of those tied cards".
Dang, that is a big assumption fail there. I played it this way at BGGcon where I quickly skimmed the rules, and since I remembered playing that way I just assumed I was playing correctly! Even though I fully re-read the rules before filming this, it still squeaked through. Thanks for pointing this out, I'll make a correction in the Klingon subtitles so that others hopefully learn from my mistake. Fortunately this has very little impact on the game itself, sure the card mix would have been quite different but overall I think the only real impact is that more crown token cards were discarded than should have been, so our overall crown acquisition was likely slightly lower than average.
The one game that I have played was also handily won by someone doing the monasteries. I foolishly let them get both purple dice (it was a three player game) every round and that let them hit EVERY monastery.
In my first play (this was my 2nd) it was 3p and I went heavy monastery and I hit all but 1 I think. Even so I won by a single point, so it seemed strong but not overly so in that moment.
Oh jeez, you are right! I'll add a note to the klingon subtitles about. I went back and watched that bit and honestly didn't say much more than "lets get the green 1 so that we can grab a cheap card as well as bump the green track to get some more points". Thanks for pointing this out, sorry it got chopped off in the edit!
I'm curious what are your thoughts on the game? More like a review. I love this game and unlike other people I do not think purple is over powered. Purple and Green are stronger than gray and orange by design. That's why there is always one dice less of each
I talked for a while about my impressions of Coimbra here: th-cam.com/video/BoGd-w7rUjo/w-d-xo.html . My opinion hasn't changed since recording that video since this playthrough is the only other time I've played it since then. I will admit that the game didn't feel as interesting at 2p vs the 3p game I played at BGGcon.
Wow, I don't know how I made that mistake. Fortunately we made SO much gold over the course of the game that we never came close to spending it all so I doubt this actually impacted the final scores. Thanks for pointing this out, I've added a note about it to the Klingon subtitles.
I've had Brass Lancashire on my Patreon poll for one month and it did pretty well, but Coimbra easily beat it. It may win a future poll, though I don't think I have the time to make it happen if it doesn't end up being a winner there unfortunately.
Excellent playthrough, Jon! I was curious, why only 2 players instead of 3? Does it play better with two? During Phase E, does it matter the color order of the dice activation? So would you say this is an Engine Builder/Resource Management/Drafting game? At the end of every round, you don't place out new castle tiles?
The main reason I filmed this at 2 players instead of 3 was time restraints to get this out amongst everything else I had to do last week. Even at 2 players it took me 8 hours to film this, and it likely would have been 11 or so hours with 3 players, plus all the extra editing time that the longer raw footage would have created. Honestly I do regret not sucking it up and going for 3p with this play because I don't think the player count modifications are as robust for 2p as I thought going in. Having only 1 purple and 1 green die also made the monastery map area somewhat binary. During Phase E you can perform any dice color ordering that you want, and it will matter sometimes depending on what you want to do (activate purple first to move the pilgrim and gain a bump on another track for instance). This is certainly an Engine building, resource management, pool drafting game in my opinion :) The game only has 4 castle tile options, so they are always out there for each round.
Not Jon obviously, but for me this playthough actually showcased how the purple track, while strong, isn't unbeatable. Sure the blue player won through it, but he had to invest heavily into the strategy (while red only dabbled), and IMO only won through the last card he drafted, meaning it was anyone's game until that point. Not to mention that Jon was playing in such a way to showcase different strategies (I would imagine real players would fight for purple more), and kinda 'wasted' 2 purchases - one with the grey die activation card, another when he forgo the "no purple die, move 2 steps" card. Is the purple track strong? Definitely. Could you win while ignoring it completely? Arguable, but likely not. Is it a sure win if you invest substantially in it? Nope, not in my book.
I also don't believe the Purple track to be too strong. It is important but not an unbeatable strategy. I dominated a game with the Green Track where a player focused on Purple and I won by a fair margin. There is a fair bit of variation to the game and that what needs to be focused on, not just one track.
I don't feel like purple is too strong after two plays. As I pointed out in the wrap up, the purple track was heavily incentivized this game due to the random voyage and monastery layout. I have read on BGG that many think that purple is overpowered, and perhaps it is, but in my experience I haven't seen that yet.
Haha, well I'm glad you were able to follow it. Normally I can teach everything as it comes, but the tightly connected mechanics here meant I had to frontload more details than I usually like to in these playthroughs.
Hi Jon, maybe it's just me but your speech sounds a bit unnatural to me. Feels like you apply to much of the Gate effect on the sound, or something like that. Otherwise, a great video as always. :)
@@JonGetsGames It's the same in all videos. I recently experiemented with the Gate effect because I wanted to eliminate some noise from my voice recording, and suddenly my voice sounded similar to what I hear in your videos. Then I realized - this is it, and that's why I wanted to let you know.
@@nithrania-gameinanutshell Well I appreciate the feedback about it. In the latest edit I messed around with the audio options in Final Cut abit and honestly ended up liking the way it currently sounds the best. I agree that it does seem slightly gated, but when I pull that back then I just get the echo back in that I'm trying to nullify. I'm far from an recorded audio expert, and at some point would like to get the main audio feeling closer to my natural sound but so far this is as good as I seem to be able to get it.
Your playthroughs are the BEST board game playthroughs there is on youtube! And you prove again and again.
Thanks Marcel, it's always great to hear feedback like this :)
I always get upset when that other player wins. I get so invested in the "us" player. Great playthroughs!
BionicBeans
That’s because every player who teaches a game will almost always lose. As the game teacher in my group, it’s rare that I ever win.
By belief is that the student players have less to worry about as they play since they don’t know the game as well as the teacher player. The teacher player knows everything and over thinks instead of just playing. Plus the teacher player has to break their turns so much to help the other players on their turns that they typically and sometimes purposely screw themselves over for the sake of teaching lol.
Jon you gotta stop asking these other players to your playthroughs....they always whip your ass
It's weird, in Rahdo's videos I always cheer for Jen, in slickerdrips I always cheer for Marty, but here, it's my piece dammit, it had better win!
SPOILER -,..-
I'm sorry I didn't even think about spoilers!
Wait, I'm not sorry, he's playing against himself and its a tutorial playthrough.
15:52 In case of a tie, you have to take off the leftmost card, not the closest one from the board.
Yep, you are correct. This was pointed out earlier and I added a correction to the Klingon subtitles already :)
This video is so well made. It really helped me understand this game.
You're one of the best Jon and I'm not just saying that, because my name is also John.
Long time viewer here and I just want to say that your content is always such high quality. The industry benefits greatly from your perspective and I appreciate you and other content creators(MvM, Ant Lab, NPI) for setting new standards in our hobbies video content.
Thanks Brock, I'm glad you've enjoyed my videos :)
36:06 The cost is 4 but you only moved your guards down 3. Great video though! Very helpful! Thank you!
It looks like that note was already in the Klingon subtitles. Thanks for pointing out out even so, and I'm glad you enjoyed the game :)
JonGetsGames oh I thought I had the subtitles on! Whoops!
Yesss, got excited for this when I saw it upcoming in your vlog!
A few goofs, but a very well done playthrough. This video literally sucked me in and kept me in until the very end. Great job Jon!!!
Thats great to hear, I hope the ending wasn't a let down :P
@@JonGetsGames I think it's the constant getting of stuff (points, gold, etc) that really makes this game seem so riveting. I can't wait to tear the shrink-wrap off and play this game!
Another great tutorial and playthrough.....you are the best in this genre.
John thank you so much for the playthrough. It was awesome and i like how you play your strategy for both you and the AI :)
Wonderful playthrough, Jon! Excited to play my recently purchased copy soon! Thanks Jon!!
Thanks Christopher, I hope you enjoy the game :)
Excellent play through, Jon. I've played this once, and didn't love it, but watching this definitely makes me want to get it to the table again. In the game I played the player who went after the purple track the hardest did the best as well. I don't know if that's necessary to win the game, but will be trying it when I do get my copy to the table.
I'm glad you liked it, and hope you enjoy it more the next time you get it to the table :)
Thanks. It helped me a lot to learn how to play this game :)
Thank u 4 this playthrough, it helped out a lot!
I love watching your videos. This is such a great way to learn a game
It's always great to hear things like this, thanks :)
Great play through! I’ve played 6 times and we always sort the dice by color. Made my brain hurt seeing them by pip value. Haha.
The first time I played was 3p and we sorted by pips as well as color, creating essentially a matrix of dice to choose from. This was necessary for us though since one of the players is color blind and was having a rough time with a couple of those colors.
Fabulous! I'm now really excited to play! I think I make fewer mistakes because I watch your videos. Thank you! :-)
Great video. I now realize I’ve been playing a rule wrong. Those end of game scoring cards - I thought they were for how many cards of that colour you had, not where you were on the track. That makes them a lot less useless! 😀
Ah yeah, that certainly would make them be not worth grabbing :)
One mistake: when it's the dummy player and its his turn to discard a card it the right most card with the highest influence but when its a tie its the left most. There where 3 cards with an influence of 3 so the left most should have been picked. There is an example in the rulebook.
Good playthrough. I now know it's too much for my brain to keep up with.
thanks!! you’re the best!!!
36:11 You only spend 3 guards instead of the 4 they should have spent.
Yep, not sure what was wrong with my simple math brain when I recorded this. Thanks for pointing it out, i've added a note to the subtitles.
Thanks for sharing! :)
50:00 You do not spend the 5 gold for the card you just bought.
Dang, I certainly had some trouble with payment errors in this playthrough. Thanks for pointing that out, I'll add a note to the klingon subtitles about it.
Great playthrough, loved it. Is it harder to 'turotialize' a playthrough when dice are involved?
Interesting question, overall I don't think so. I do reroll them frequently until I get what I'm looking for though ;)
General rule you messed up the whole game, when a neutral die removes a card, you remove the highest card that is FURTHEST from the board. The rulebook says the "Leftmost of those tied cards".
Dang, that is a big assumption fail there. I played it this way at BGGcon where I quickly skimmed the rules, and since I remembered playing that way I just assumed I was playing correctly! Even though I fully re-read the rules before filming this, it still squeaked through. Thanks for pointing this out, I'll make a correction in the Klingon subtitles so that others hopefully learn from my mistake. Fortunately this has very little impact on the game itself, sure the card mix would have been quite different but overall I think the only real impact is that more crown token cards were discarded than should have been, so our overall crown acquisition was likely slightly lower than average.
The one game that I have played was also handily won by someone doing the monasteries. I foolishly let them get both purple dice (it was a three player game) every round and that let them hit EVERY monastery.
In my first play (this was my 2nd) it was 3p and I went heavy monastery and I hit all but 1 I think. Even so I won by a single point, so it seemed strong but not overly so in that moment.
8:42 You skip straight to blue's second die choice, skipping red's second die choice!
Oh jeez, you are right! I'll add a note to the klingon subtitles about. I went back and watched that bit and honestly didn't say much more than "lets get the green 1 so that we can grab a cheap card as well as bump the green track to get some more points". Thanks for pointing this out, sorry it got chopped off in the edit!
I'm curious what are your thoughts on the game? More like a review. I love this game and unlike other people I do not think purple is over powered. Purple and Green are stronger than gray and orange by design. That's why there is always one dice less of each
I talked for a while about my impressions of Coimbra here: th-cam.com/video/BoGd-w7rUjo/w-d-xo.html . My opinion hasn't changed since recording that video since this playthrough is the only other time I've played it since then. I will admit that the game didn't feel as interesting at 2p vs the 3p game I played at BGGcon.
14:45 you give yourself 2 gold instead of 1 from your C card :)
Wow, I don't know how I made that mistake. Fortunately we made SO much gold over the course of the game that we never came close to spending it all so I doubt this actually impacted the final scores. Thanks for pointing this out, I've added a note about it to the Klingon subtitles.
Can you do a play through of Brass: Lancashire or Birmingham?
I've had Brass Lancashire on my Patreon poll for one month and it did pretty well, but Coimbra easily beat it. It may win a future poll, though I don't think I have the time to make it happen if it doesn't end up being a winner there unfortunately.
Excellent playthrough, Jon! I was curious, why only 2 players instead of 3? Does it play better with two?
During Phase E, does it matter the color order of the dice activation?
So would you say this is an Engine Builder/Resource Management/Drafting game?
At the end of every round, you don't place out new castle tiles?
The main reason I filmed this at 2 players instead of 3 was time restraints to get this out amongst everything else I had to do last week. Even at 2 players it took me 8 hours to film this, and it likely would have been 11 or so hours with 3 players, plus all the extra editing time that the longer raw footage would have created. Honestly I do regret not sucking it up and going for 3p with this play because I don't think the player count modifications are as robust for 2p as I thought going in. Having only 1 purple and 1 green die also made the monastery map area somewhat binary. During Phase E you can perform any dice color ordering that you want, and it will matter sometimes depending on what you want to do (activate purple first to move the pilgrim and gain a bump on another track for instance). This is certainly an Engine building, resource management, pool drafting game in my opinion :) The game only has 4 castle tile options, so they are always out there for each round.
reminds me of Gugong
Can you explain how the dummy dice are distributed at the initial setup? Are they random or the same every game?
They are set up exactly like this for every 2 player game. There are less of them for 3p games and none at all in 4p.
Still not sure if this game is for me yet or not. I think I need to try it in person. I'll need to find someone in my area who owns it.
Good call, it's a solid design but the downtime and crunchiness will certainly not be for everyone.
Purple track...expansion needed to slightly rebalance the strength of this strategy? What are your thoughts?
Not Jon obviously, but for me this playthough actually showcased how the purple track, while strong, isn't unbeatable. Sure the blue player won through it, but he had to invest heavily into the strategy (while red only dabbled), and IMO only won through the last card he drafted, meaning it was anyone's game until that point. Not to mention that Jon was playing in such a way to showcase different strategies (I would imagine real players would fight for purple more), and kinda 'wasted' 2 purchases - one with the grey die activation card, another when he forgo the "no purple die, move 2 steps" card.
Is the purple track strong? Definitely. Could you win while ignoring it completely? Arguable, but likely not. Is it a sure win if you invest substantially in it? Nope, not in my book.
I also don't believe the Purple track to be too strong. It is important but not an unbeatable strategy. I dominated a game with the Green Track where a player focused on Purple and I won by a fair margin. There is a fair bit of variation to the game and that what needs to be focused on, not just one track.
I don't feel like purple is too strong after two plays. As I pointed out in the wrap up, the purple track was heavily incentivized this game due to the random voyage and monastery layout. I have read on BGG that many think that purple is overpowered, and perhaps it is, but in my experience I haven't seen that yet.
26mins in and this seems... comprehensible. I'm waiting for he other shoe to drop and leave me dazed and confused.
Haha, well I'm glad you were able to follow it. Normally I can teach everything as it comes, but the tightly connected mechanics here meant I had to frontload more details than I usually like to in these playthroughs.
Hi Jon, maybe it's just me but your speech sounds a bit unnatural to me. Feels like you apply to much of the Gate effect on the sound, or something like that.
Otherwise, a great video as always. :)
Huh, I didn't change anything up with this edit. Did this feel worse than my other recent videos, or is this an issue you've been having in others?
@@JonGetsGames It's the same in all videos. I recently experiemented with the Gate effect because I wanted to eliminate some noise from my voice recording, and suddenly my voice sounded similar to what I hear in your videos. Then I realized - this is it, and that's why I wanted to let you know.
@@nithrania-gameinanutshell Well I appreciate the feedback about it. In the latest edit I messed around with the audio options in Final Cut abit and honestly ended up liking the way it currently sounds the best. I agree that it does seem slightly gated, but when I pull that back then I just get the echo back in that I'm trying to nullify. I'm far from an recorded audio expert, and at some point would like to get the main audio feeling closer to my natural sound but so far this is as good as I seem to be able to get it.
Your talking realy realy fast