Unveiling the Truth About Creality Ender 3 CopperHead Upgrade Kit - Slice Engineering Worth it?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 พ.ค. 2024
- SNAKE! Today we are testing out Slice Engineerings Creality Ender Upgrade Kit! This converts a stock Mk8 Creality hotend to the Slice Engineering Copperhead heater block and accepts RepRap V6 style nozzles. Also included in the Creality Ender Upgrade kit is a "BRIDGEMASTER" nozzle. Is this modification really an upgrade & is the Slice Engineering Copperhead kit worth it? Find out in this video!
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
0:40 - Parts
1:10 - Install
4:55 - Flow Testing
8:13 - Bridging Test
8:55 - RepRap Nozzles
9:43 - Mini-Review
10:33 - Disclaimer
10:47 - Outro
Creality Copperhead Upgrade Kit
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Fun Fact: This started as a segment in last week’s “Workshop Vlog”. I realized it was a long section for that video so I filmed more to produce a full video. Nothing is every simple. 😂
a full series on the Ender 3 would be nice. i just got one and am kinda lost with the "extensive" instruction manual that came with it. love your Tik-Tok series and just found your you tube.
Excellent video! Love your video storytelling! 👏
Thank you very much 👌🏻👌🏻
Nice and well done video. 👏 your filming and editing skills are awesome.
Much appreciate!
I am amazed that Vez can still keep his cool with anything involving Slice Engineering and post positive comments on videos covering their products. This shows that he is an awesome human being and very mature. I think I couldn't be like that in his shoes...
Exactly the same experiences as I had with that "snake"! It's a Mk8 / V6 mutant with the lack of high performance. I belive in your explanation of the short distance between heater cartridge and sensor. - And then using a nozzle with poor conductivity on top to spoil the rest. Not what I expected from an expensive "all metal upgrade". Then rather a full blooded V6 solution, maybe with a vulcano nozzle ;-)
I was noticing that the glass bead style we’re originally designed to use on heat pads on the beds, and the manufacture started cutting corners, reusing them and heater blocks.
Do yourself a favor, upgrade to an all metal 100K and never look back…
Thermal compound is designed to fill in minute air gaps between metal surfaces (which should quite smooth/ polished) and NOTHING more. With time it will dry out and or ooze out: replace the glass bead sensor with one that has a metal casing having the right diameter
Classic slice, over promise and under deliver.
So they got rid of the heatbreak standoffs/screws that Creality has to return to a more easily broken hold and hot tighten design?
Hunh, that seems an odd choice for them to leave out.
For an MK8 hotend, I prefer MK8-style heatblocks. While I like the V6's heater clamping mechanism, I like having those extra screws up into the heatsink, especially when dealing with relatively fragile bimetallic heatbreaks. But you can get MK8-style heatblocks in copper, if you look around a bit.
I personally feel the screw on the Mk8 do little to support the heatbreak and lead to a false sense of security. Having used Hotends that have much more positive support systems for the heater block, those screws aren’t doing much. I still support the block thoroughly with a wrench on Mk8s.
The Copperhead is the best heatbreak I ever tried. I never had an issue with them. But in fact you do not need their heaterblock. Heaterblocks are not rocket sience. If there is a need for more temperature consistency just buy a chiniese plated copper drop in heaterblock.
The big benefit I see in the Coppeehead heatbreak is its perfect machining and coating and the longer melt zone you get because the part in the heaterblock is made of copper. Combined with a CHT nozzle you get very high flowrates.
@@Technikfreak72 Yeah, I'm using a Copperhead heatbreak with an MK8-style heatblock myself. I've been trying it out with a CHT 0.4mm nozzle, but I've gotta be honest, I'm not seeing an improved flowrate with that setup: I'm still stuck around 12mm/s before my extruder starts to skip. I'm starting to think 0.4mm is just too small for those higher flowrates; I have an 0.6, I just haven't installed it yet.
@@TheSpooniest At the very least, I doubt the copperhead is actually contributing any flow rate. Even though the threaded slug in the heater block side is copper, the surgical steel tube still extends all the way through the entirety of it down to the surface that meets with the nozzle.
Also, with regards to the durability of these things, I'm actually kind of surprised lol. I don't have the screws in my mk8 since I had to replace the block, and my ADD-havin'-ass decided it was a good idea to walk away from the printer while it was homing. Of course, it just so happen that my bltouch failed to deploy on the way down and I came back to ender ramming the nozzle into my brand new smooth pei bed lmao. I didnt learn my lesson the first time, and this happened twice. Somehow though, my copperhead's throat is still perfectly straight in spite of that.
@@alicec2033 It's not contributing any more than any other all-metal hotend, anyway.
What hotends do you recommend for a stock ender 3? Looking at upgrade options to improve / increase the maintenance on my ender 3. Currently replacing/cleaning the printer every couple months (3-5 prints a week). If there's another hotend that would improve that, it would be great!
As always, great content! Keep it coming!
I would say check out my review of the E3D Revo CR. I’m running that in the Ender 3 I use the most and am very happy with it. Nozzles are pricey but it’s a very good quality and easy to use hotend: th-cam.com/video/tU_5jdhukEc/w-d-xo.html
@@MandicReally Yes, i did see your review of that nozzle setup just the other day. great review. only thing that gets me on that one is the price... price of the kit then the replacement nozzles. I've seen other videos of those nozzles quite awhile ago and it seemed very interesting to me at that time as well. i like the design of how the heater wraps around the nozzle. makes most sense in that aspect. just sad they went with an proprietary nozzle setup then. it's understandable from their aspect of quality control.
Thanks for the input!!!
@@wsseibert i had the revo nozzles on my cr10 and i dont have need one since then if you really want a long live nozzle the obsidian version of the rezo is basicly undestructible
For $100, I'd buy the MicroSwiss DD, or spend the extra $20 to get the DD NG. Also designed and machined in the USA, also coated nozzles, titanium heat break, but the added benefit of a much better extruder to go with it. Will it flow more? Maybe. But I bet if you took the MicroSwiss DD and stuck an MK8 CHT nozzle on it, you'd at least match those nearly 20mm/s3 numbers.
Looks like the main gain from the swap was getting away from the stupid ptfe lined hotend.
Revo CR is probably a better option now that's out, and they have a patented design that's actually unique.
I reviewed the Revo CR a few videos back. If you are ok with the cost of Nozzles, I really like that hotend.
@@MandicReally The beautiful thing is, the Obxidian nozzles are basically a lifetime buy. There should be no legitimate reason to ever have to buy more than one (of each size if so inclined) over the lifetime of the machine; and you're supporting a company who _does_ actually innovate. Hell; even bondtech - I'm fine with their patented dual gear drive, because there was innovation there. Slice just went "Oh, they're using thin stainless steel - we can do that with thinner stainless!". The stock they used for the Mosquito originally came from the medical industry so basically they're doing the "[xxx] ... but on a 3D printer!" thing. It's horribly trite.
@@ThantiK I have the Revo CR on my Ender 6 and it's great. Nice fast printing and able to run draft prints with a quick nozzle change. Heats up really fast. So far I love it.
Same problem here with the parts cooling duct. Where did you find one?
It is in the product page for the Creality Copperhead kit: www.sliceengineering.com/products/ender-upgrade-bundle?variant=43040687849713¤cy=USD&gclid=CjwKCAiAhqCdBhB0EiwAH8M_GtAn5QZ5PFlRLWrOt0hIPtRaGJ7HQcAC8DyWt30oMYiFbk3S4yR17hoCN4AQAvD_BwE
In the notes section toward the bottom.
@@MandicReally Thank You !
You can use a v6 nozzle in creality hotends. It doesn't have to be an mk8 nozzle
A V6 nozzle can replace a Mk8, but a Mk8 cannot replace a V6. They are the same thread but the RepRap nozzles have a longer threaded section (by about 3-4mm), so that is more of the nozzle engaged in the heater block. If you install a RepRap nozzle in a Mk8 block, it'll fit but not be threaded in as much as is intended. So yes, it wasn't proper to say that it is a "Conversion" so much as a "adaption to the proper fit for a RepRap nozzle.".
@@MandicReally that's fair
Just get a revo, quality improvement with the benefit of quick change nozzles and slightly more difficult to break. If you don’t want to pay revo money get a used V6 or a clone and enjoy that all metal goodness…
You can get a V6 heatsink threaded for a hemera/revo heatbreak from Ali for like... $4. Add a proper Hemera heat break for $12 and a 3rd party copper heat block for another $15 and your nozzle of choice, and you have a pretty nice setup for < $50.
I just installed a copperhead with an LGX ACE on my FT5. I found the exact same thing with temp and have to run PETG and TPU 5 top 10 degrees more. So far though it isnt bad, it works well, but nothing earth shatteringly different from my Flexion setup.
The video is great, small aside, where did you get that shirt? I would like to get one for my dad.
Thank you. The shirt is oldddd at this point and I honestly haven't a clue where I got it from. A quick search online and I cannot locate it currently, sorry.
@@MandicReally No worries, I too did a cursory search with no results. Thanks for checking either way.
@@5FSF I have never purchased from them, but I found a similar shirt listed on "NeatoShop": "Gordon's Crab Shack by Megan Lara"
@@3d-explorer Wow, thank you so much for finding it and sharing with me, I really appreciate it!
Great video as always but one part you may not have considered is pricing in other regions.
$100 usd get's you far better full hotend and extruder upgrades for an Ender 3 everywhere else.
I honestly think it's an uncompetative and kind of useless product from Slice.
basically what ur not saying as i guess its a sponsored video is its not wort the money as i see it it dint make blind difference and as u say there are cheaper alternatives and better no matter where the thing is made, at the end of the day the community will decide, iv been 3d printing and programming then over here in england and cheap is always better over here especially now the economy has changed, its not what you pay its the end result and as far as i can see there is not that much difference to justify the price
Ohhh sh*t copperhead or should we say Ohhh sh*t snake oil🐍😅
Cool video but I’d never give a dime to slice.
Im willing to pay more for American made products but slice is a bit overboard so I pass. There are options that match or exceed their hotends performance for a fraction of the price. Not impressed.
LOL. Literally typed that comment and hit send right before you said the same thing at the end. I also just read some of the comments. I didnt know about their business practices in going after other hotends. Im all for IP rights but they are just flat out a greedy company it seems.
No way its worth it because it would mean giving money to the patent trolls at slice engineering who post unprofessional nonsense on their blogs trying to justify why their trolling isn't.
If they actually made all the ideas in the patents they have I wouldn't complain.
Is that your snake its cute
Nope, just stock footage of a Copperhead. 😅
@@MandicReally glad to hear you don't have one of those slinking around lol
I won't buy anything from slice after them acting like they invented screws. They recently took down the rapido and vez3ds goliath from ali because of the patent they never should have been granted.
A sentiment that a lot of folks share. I hadn't hear about any issues with the Rapido, but I saw about the Goliath. I was really looking forward to seeing more of that hotend.
Not heard of the rapido being sliced ? Good thing I already have mine for my trident build.
@@MandicReally Rapido was taken down at the same time but the ali sellers have reuploaded with renderings that dont include the screws. Slice will have to order, receive, and send photos to ali and then rapido will be gone again.
@@caramelzappa interesting. They are still up on Amazon, so I guess it somehow has something to do with their Chinese patent. I’ve got a Rapido in my V2.4 and would be very disappointed to see that option go away.
@@MandicReally Yes like goliath they were shut down right after the chinese patent was granted
that price aint worth it unless it shipped with a titan clone extruder lol
please stop promoting slice engineering. they're clear cut patent trolls.
He's not promoting really, he simply did a review and the conclusion was a big "meh". Simply ignoring companies doesn't really help.
Reviewing a product isn’t promotion. I provide information about products and leave the decision to the viewer. Generally I try not to outright recommend a product as no product is for everyone. I have the things I like, but that’s me. “Promotion”, that comes at a price, and I didn’t get paid for this.
I get why people dislike their products, but some don’t. It is up to the viewer to decide. I’m not censoring all the hate in the comments, but I’m not here to push them either. The information is presented so buyers can decide with their wallet.
@@MandicReally well said
Slice engineering : proudly suing people to oblivion with shitty patents! Instead they should have used the time and effort to upgrade or widen their products and lower the prices....
But noooo BRIDGE MASTER ..... WTH is that supposed to be or do ? Magically levitate melted filament????
Fancy seeing you here, Toma. This is the first I'm seeing about the shady slice doings... Ugh...
@@TheFeralEngineer Yeah, they seem to have a knack for gag orders in tandem with lawsuits!
@@toma.cnc1 I'm gonna have to do some digging on this... I just started using their products, but didn't know about any of this stuff
Why'd you put a warning about the snake video? 😂
Folks with Phobias. I've had folks comment about such things in the past so a simple warning covers it.
Anything that avoids supporting Slice engineering. They've become a patent troll, because they think they invented stainless steel spacers. For all of you who want to do something about it -- Contact the organizers for MRRF and ERRF this year, and tell them you don't want Slice engineering at the shows. I can't support anyone who suggests their hardware. Because this community has always been about being open with your progress, and mixing that all around to everyone so that 3D printing gets cheaper, easier, higher quality, etc. I've also left a 1-star review for Slice in G Maps to show my displeasure. The best we can do as 3D Printer enthusiasts is be loud and vocal about our disdain for Slice's poor taste.
Couldn't have said it any better! Now we need an alternative source for a boron nitride paste....
Anything Slice Engineering is not worth it
Yeah honestly even if this was decent (which honestly for $99 this seems like a massive let down) I don't want to give slice money if I can avoid it. Their bimetalic heat breaks are better built than most and I'll give them that, but everything else, and their patent troll-y behaviour? I'll pass.