I'll raise this - not only would I never take a straight pill, I wouldn't even take a bi pill, which really offends some people that I would not want to become more inclusive if I could.
Ya, but sexual orientation shouldn't have an inclusive factor. It's literally a part of who you are. Taking a pill to "fix" that isn't fixing anything. Because there's nothing to fix. I'm understand there's issues being gay on many fronts. But, the idea of being able to "make" myself attracted to women seems wrong and prevented. As if I'm going against nature.
You guys are articulate, engaging, handsome, helpful, and a pleasure to listen to. Knowing you are both part of my tribe makes me proud to be gay. Thanks for being here.
I suppose I am one of those rare gold star gays (age 62) that can say with all certainty that I never once wanted to be straight. I've always been comfortable with my sexuality.
22:27 funny enough the “blood is thicker than water” quote has been misused for decades. The original quote is “The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb” meaning that the bonds that you have with the people you choose can be stronger than the bonds of family.
The worst thing for gay men is when they get older like myself. Many gay men end up alone once they hit their 60s because their mother and father has already died and they have lost some brothers or sisters and many of their friends are now gone and people tend to stay to themselves when they get older. Many older gay men end up alone.
Yeah Jeff Hampton2777, I'm going through that stage of my life. I'm 66 retired, I'd love to meet someone now. Spend the rest of my life with.. but no such luck.. so I'm enjoying each day as it comes alone and lonely..
This is what im a little bit scared about when i get older when most of my love ones are not here anymore.. sad reality but i look at it as the something inevitable so i will just embrace whatever the future holds for me. 👍👍👍
@@JosephMay-gp8mo Yes it's terrible. I'm 63 and alone in a large house now dealing with health issues. Parents died long ago. All my high school buddies have mostly died, another one just died last week he was 63. I'm half the man I used to be, started losing my looks by the time I got to my mid-50s. Down to just two friends. One friend that's 60 years old stop by once a week for a couple hours. Now that it's getting cold all I really have to look forward to is food but don't want to get overweight and the internet. I can't even really do yard work anymore but I'm still cooking for myself. I no longer have any pets they all died of old age, I'm not getting anymore because I can't take care of them correctly.
@@RNJude Approximately 20 years ago everyone I knew was still alive then once I got into my 50s people started dying and now that I'm in my 60s more than half the people I knew are now gone. Parents gone, every aunt and uncle gone, most of my friends from high school and early life now gone. One of my best friends during high school years just died last week, I was just recently looking at his obituary he was only 63. The average lifespan of a white male is between 73 and 76 in the United States which means half of the people actually do die in their 50s and 60s. I had a friend die in his upper thirties, then many of my friends died in their 50s and now some are dying in their 60s. Try to hang on to some relationships with friends once you get older or else you'll be alone with no friends. I'm down to two friends left that's it.
@@jeffhampton2767 Is this true of just your life or the life of most gay men you know? I'm 26 and gay. I just came out, but I'm in a different country than my parents, and away from my family. I live in the US and they live elsewhere. I really want to end up with a family of my own one day, have a husband, kid, the whole nine yards. Is that a dream or a statistical improbability?
Really enjoyed this episode guys, deffo would of taken the pill as a closeted teenager, came out when I was 19 struggled a bit with not being obviously gay because I feel like I never have to stop coming out however I absolutely love my life now and have learned to like me so nowadays I deffo wouldn’t take the pill, please keep these videos coming great videos and always interesting
I really enjoyed this topic this week. I especially got tuned-in at the friends part of the conversation. I came out early. Not because I had to, jested wanted it because I needed a feeling of freedom in my life. Not sure this description tells you what I mean, but think on it. My family life wasn’t glamorous by a long shot. Not abused or anything like that. It just sucked. I needed rebellion to feel like I counted. All that led to years of therapy, but so it did. I always felt lonely no matter what I did in life. And regardless of the number of people in my life, which transitioned many times over. There were straight and gay friends. I never kept count. And there were times I didn’t tell certain people I was gay. Regardless if any and all of that, I never, to this day, have been able to shake this “I’m alone” feeling. I hate it. But it’s my life it seems. Therefore I hate life and always have. How I’m not suicidal is so beyond me. Seriously. It’s why I spent so many years in therapy, until I started to feel like it would never help. All I have is “I tried”.
I'm 81, so lived through a time when I could have been kicked out of my job, incarcerated or sent to a mental hospital, yet I kept a strong sense of self and never wished I could be otherwise, even though I had to wait until my early thirties for my first man on man sex (teen messing about with a straight friend doesn't really count). The thing is a straight pill would inevitably mess with other parts of the personality. Might you become a straight wife beater? Might you become a straight crook tricking elderly people out their life savings? No, who you are is a package, you deal with the hand you're given, you don't pick and choose.
Another great episode! Thank you so much for tackling these subjects and getting the conversation around each one of them started. Would love to see the follow-ups. And I can't wait for the next helpful homo installment.
You’re both so intelligent and well spoken, never mind good natured, I always come away feeling enriched and uplifted whatever subject you tackle. To answer the question, absolutely NO pill, thanks. The only time I might have said yes was around puberty, but for me that was a lo-o-o-ong time ago! IMO you’re correct discrimination for being straight isn’t a thing. But it IS possible for gays to shun straights. I know because I did it once, and I’m sure other gays have as well.
Great episode guys! I’m with you and would not take the pill as I love my life as well. Even with the difficulties that come with it I would not trade it for the “straight” life.
Excellent show guys!!!! Manifesting your life and practicing gratitude every day is the secret - for me. You’re both awesome. Go Noles! Lot’s of love from Tallahassee! Greg and Rick
2:57 Actually, he is not my type of boyfriend at all, but his type is my type hahaha, but from the first day his Character delighted me and I must admit that I watch and listen to him more 🤷 ♂️
Been to many parties, but the funniest parties I've been to are gay party, aren't gay, but have good friends who are, actually think gay has a little more fun than straight guys
When you see out of the window of the plane as it goes into New York City, it seems so big and complex. It amazed me that people like Warhol, Trump, Madonna and others were able to make a name for themselves. There are so many people and so much ambition. Visiting for a short time is probably a good idea because if you wander around you may get abused by random homeless or sort of gang-type people.
Great episode guys, I really love this one and I think that a lot of people probably struggle with this. As someone on the asexuality spectrum, I probably would’ve said a few years ago that I would’ve wanted to take a pill that would make me straight when I was first figuring out that I might be queer. I was so scared to tell my best friends that I was questioning my sexuality because I thought that I was the only one in my friend group. It wasn’t necessarily that I was afraid of them not excepting me because fortunately we went to a high school where a lot of people were queer and it was a very common thing, but I think I was just afraid that they might think I was weird or just not understand me, and I would be the only queer one in the friend group. But soon I found out that not only was I not the only one in the friend group who was questioning my sexuality, but I found out that both of my best friends are lesbian and two of our other friends are both bisexual. Even though that was only about three years ago, and I’m only 21 now, I don’t think I would take a pill to make me straight anymore. I love the friendships I have and especially the comfortability and camaraderie with all my friends in my small circle being queer. Even though I am still the only one who’s ace, I love just knowing that I’m not the only queer one. I have very few close friends anyway and I struggle to make new friends, so the idea of them thinking anything different of me was really scary. Even though I’m not completely comfortable yet I don’t think I would change anything, I like being asexual and pan romantic. 🌈💜🏳️🌈💜🤗❤️
With Joel on this. I would’ve back in my teenage years when I didn’t fully accept myself. Now that I have, keep your pill. I’m here, I’m queer, I’m used to it. I love me.
I rather be gay and lonely than gay with homophobic friends. My environment is very hostile towards my kind so I prefer not having to wear a mask around "Friends" and just be myself alone in peace.🎉
What a great discussion topic. Well done. As far as a "straight" pill, no thanks. I like my life just as it is. I can't imagine being straight. To the religious types, "God made us in his own image" and if "God" did not want gays, he would not have made them. That is my view. People, especially here in the U.S. seem to focus far, far too much on the mechanics inside the gay bedroom rather than the overall lives of gay people which frankly is not that much different than anyone else's life. As far as pills are concerned, let us all wish for an "anti-hate" pill. That would go a long ways in today's society. A lot of us here, even in progressive states are dreading 2024 and what that might entail. There may be a run on anti-anxiety pills. Both of you keep up the good work on this channel. You are making a positive difference in our community.
If there were such a pill to make you straight, I'd buy a truck load, just for a back up plan. I've been gay all my life. Now that I'm older and alone, it's miserable.. no one seems to be interested in the older. Settled. Lots of love to give.
I'm interested in older men, but apps like Grindr are probably not the right place to go looking. I think Hinge is a much better app these days for serious dating vs say Tinder or Grindr, which seems to be more focused on hookups than actual dating.
I would not ever take a straight pill. Not only do I love the life I've built, but being gay influences my perception, my perspectives, and the way I process things. I see the world differently than my straight colleagues, and I think I'm a better person for it.
I would never take that pill , being gay is completely natural to me without discriminating the straight people 😊 after the pill I consider being straight will feel normal without discriminating gay people 😊
After I accepted who I am there's no way I would want to become straight. Plus on the bright side being gay has it's perks. You're dealing with someone of your own gender so they're easier to understand and connect with, plus they become your best friend. And you save more money cause you don't have to be a "gentleman" and provide for your partner.😅
No pills. Look, forget the word gay for a minute.....it's a matter of a male being drawn and attracted to male energy. Can't fight the energy you're attracted to. End of story.
I don't equate the feeling of wanting to take the pill with internalized homophobia as much as it's just a complex issue. There are four countries and cultures where safety and character assassination, if not actual, is a real risk along with ostracization etcetera, so in those situations or similar situations Financial Etc it might be not just an easy way out, but genuinely a way more livable life to somehow be able to just take a pill and be straight.
I would of taken the pill think 1970...the world has changed a lot... I am the first son of the first son for seven generations .. my first American descendent was born in 1749... there are thousands in the family, but there is no longer a direct lineage.. If I were 17 today I absolutely would not take the pill... I have a beautiful quality of life ....
@@happyhealthyhomo my partner and I are 66 and 63. We always felt too old to say bfs. And i guess they r the same things. Just far from boys at our age group. lol. It’s all good though
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I'll raise this - not only would I never take a straight pill, I wouldn't even take a bi pill, which really offends some people that I would not want to become more inclusive if I could.
Ya, but sexual orientation shouldn't have an inclusive factor.
It's literally a part of who you are. Taking a pill to "fix" that isn't fixing anything. Because there's nothing to fix.
I'm understand there's issues being gay on many fronts. But, the idea of being able to "make" myself attracted to women seems wrong and prevented. As if I'm going against nature.
I'd take a pill to lose weight instead of going to the gym. ❤
You guys are articulate, engaging, handsome, helpful, and a pleasure to listen to. Knowing you are both part of my tribe makes me proud to be gay. Thanks for being here.
I suppose I am one of those rare gold star gays (age 62) that can say with all certainty that I never once wanted to be straight. I've always been comfortable with my sexuality.
Add me to the gold star list.
22:27 funny enough the “blood is thicker than water” quote has been misused for decades. The original quote is “The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb” meaning that the bonds that you have with the people you choose can be stronger than the bonds of family.
The worst thing for gay men is when they get older like myself. Many gay men end up alone once they hit their 60s because their mother and father has already died and they have lost some brothers or sisters and many of their friends are now gone and people tend to stay to themselves when they get older. Many older gay men end up alone.
Yeah Jeff Hampton2777, I'm going through that stage of my life. I'm 66 retired, I'd love to meet someone now. Spend the rest of my life with.. but no such luck.. so I'm enjoying each day as it comes alone and lonely..
This is what im a little bit scared about when i get older when most of my love ones are not here anymore.. sad reality but i look at it as the something inevitable so i will just embrace whatever the future holds for me. 👍👍👍
@@JosephMay-gp8mo Yes it's terrible. I'm 63 and alone in a large house now dealing with health issues. Parents died long ago. All my high school buddies have mostly died, another one just died last week he was 63. I'm half the man I used to be, started losing my looks by the time I got to my mid-50s. Down to just two friends. One friend that's 60 years old stop by once a week for a couple hours. Now that it's getting cold all I really have to look forward to is food but don't want to get overweight and the internet. I can't even really do yard work anymore but I'm still cooking for myself. I no longer have any pets they all died of old age, I'm not getting anymore because I can't take care of them correctly.
@@RNJude Approximately 20 years ago everyone I knew was still alive then once I got into my 50s people started dying and now that I'm in my 60s more than half the people I knew are now gone. Parents gone, every aunt and uncle gone, most of my friends from high school and early life now gone. One of my best friends during high school years just died last week, I was just recently looking at his obituary he was only 63. The average lifespan of a white male is between 73 and 76 in the United States which means half of the people actually do die in their 50s and 60s. I had a friend die in his upper thirties, then many of my friends died in their 50s and now some are dying in their 60s. Try to hang on to some relationships with friends once you get older or else you'll be alone with no friends. I'm down to two friends left that's it.
@@jeffhampton2767 Is this true of just your life or the life of most gay men you know? I'm 26 and gay. I just came out, but I'm in a different country than my parents, and away from my family. I live in the US and they live elsewhere. I really want to end up with a family of my own one day, have a husband, kid, the whole nine yards. Is that a dream or a statistical improbability?
I would never take a pill to make me straight. I'm 100% Gay and I'm proud of it 🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈 Gay Forever 🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈
Really enjoyed this episode guys, deffo would of taken the pill as a closeted teenager, came out when I was 19 struggled a bit with not being obviously gay because I feel like I never have to stop coming out however I absolutely love my life now and have learned to like me so nowadays I deffo wouldn’t take the pill, please keep these videos coming great videos and always interesting
I really enjoyed this topic this week. I especially got tuned-in at the friends part of the conversation. I came out early. Not because I had to, jested wanted it because I needed a feeling of freedom in my life. Not sure this description tells you what I mean, but think on it. My family life wasn’t glamorous by a long shot. Not abused or anything like that. It just sucked. I needed rebellion to feel like I counted. All that led to years of therapy, but so it did.
I always felt lonely no matter what I did in life. And regardless of the number of people in my life, which transitioned many times over. There were straight and gay friends. I never kept count. And there were times I didn’t tell certain people I was gay. Regardless if any and all of that, I never, to this day, have been able to shake this “I’m alone” feeling. I hate it. But it’s my life it seems. Therefore I hate life and always have. How I’m not suicidal is so beyond me. Seriously. It’s why I spent so many years in therapy, until I started to feel like it would never help. All I have is “I tried”.
I'd take it in a heart beat. The day I realized I was gay I also realized my life will never be normal. I hate it
I'm 81, so lived through a time when I could have been kicked out of my job, incarcerated or sent to a mental hospital, yet I kept a strong sense of self and never wished I could be otherwise, even though I had to wait until my early thirties for my first man on man sex (teen messing about with a straight friend doesn't really count). The thing is a straight pill would inevitably mess with other parts of the personality. Might you become a straight wife beater? Might you become a straight crook tricking elderly people out their life savings? No, who you are is a package, you deal with the hand you're given, you don't pick and choose.
Another great episode! Thank you so much for tackling these subjects and getting the conversation around each one of them started. Would love to see the follow-ups. And I can't wait for the next helpful homo installment.
You’re both so intelligent and well spoken, never mind good natured, I always come away feeling enriched and uplifted whatever subject you tackle. To answer the question, absolutely NO pill, thanks. The only time I might have said yes was around puberty, but for me that was a lo-o-o-ong time ago! IMO you’re correct discrimination for being straight isn’t a thing. But it IS possible for gays to shun straights. I know because I did it once, and I’m sure other gays have as well.
I’m here for the ‘Matrix’ type of question here on the podcast 👏🏽
Great episode guys! I’m with you and would not take the pill as I love my life as well. Even with the difficulties that come with it I would not trade it for the “straight” life.
Excellent show guys!!!! Manifesting your life and practicing gratitude every day is the secret - for me. You’re both awesome.
Go Noles! Lot’s of love from Tallahassee!
Greg and Rick
love this channel love you guys ❤
So true - belief isn't fact.
Hi guys love your channel ❤️❤️
2:57 Actually, he is not my type of boyfriend at all, but his type is my type hahaha, but from the first day his Character delighted me and I must admit that I watch and listen to him more 🤷 ♂️
So true on it being a disservice by not allowing people the chance to let you know themselves how they will handle the information.
Been to many parties, but the funniest parties I've been to are gay party, aren't gay, but have good friends who are, actually think gay has a little more fun than straight guys
When you see out of the window of the plane as it goes into New York City, it seems so big and complex. It amazed me that people like Warhol, Trump, Madonna and others were able to make a name for themselves. There are so many people and so much ambition. Visiting for a short time is probably a good idea because if you wander around you may get abused by random homeless or sort of gang-type people.
At 67 I can't remember ever wanting to be str8.
Great episode guys, I really love this one and I think that a lot of people probably struggle with this. As someone on the asexuality spectrum, I probably would’ve said a few years ago that I would’ve wanted to take a pill that would make me straight when I was first figuring out that I might be queer. I was so scared to tell my best friends that I was questioning my sexuality because I thought that I was the only one in my friend group. It wasn’t necessarily that I was afraid of them not excepting me because fortunately we went to a high school where a lot of people were queer and it was a very common thing, but I think I was just afraid that they might think I was weird or just not understand me, and I would be the only queer one in the friend group. But soon I found out that not only was I not the only one in the friend group who was questioning my sexuality, but I found out that both of my best friends are lesbian and two of our other friends are both bisexual. Even though that was only about three years ago, and I’m only 21 now, I don’t think I would take a pill to make me straight anymore. I love the friendships I have and especially the comfortability and camaraderie with all my friends in my small circle being queer. Even though I am still the only one who’s ace, I love just knowing that I’m not the only queer one. I have very few close friends anyway and I struggle to make new friends, so the idea of them thinking anything different of me was really scary. Even though I’m not completely comfortable yet I don’t think I would change anything, I like being asexual and pan romantic. 🌈💜🏳️🌈💜🤗❤️
I think that I have taken this honourary homo to heart. I am hooked on your padcasts. An enjoyable discussion. 😊❤
With Joel on this. I would’ve back in my teenage years when I didn’t fully accept myself. Now that I have, keep your pill. I’m here, I’m queer, I’m used to it. I love me.
I rather be gay and lonely than gay with homophobic friends. My environment is very hostile towards my kind so I prefer not having to wear a mask around "Friends" and just be myself alone in peace.🎉
Where are you from?
What a great discussion topic. Well done. As far as a "straight" pill, no thanks. I like my life just as it is. I can't imagine being straight. To the religious types, "God made us in his own image" and if "God" did not want gays, he would not have made them. That is my view. People, especially here in the U.S. seem to focus far, far too much on the mechanics inside the gay bedroom rather than the overall lives of gay people which frankly is not that much different than anyone else's life. As far as pills are concerned, let us all wish for an "anti-hate" pill. That would go a long ways in today's society. A lot of us here, even in progressive states are dreading 2024 and what that might entail. There may be a run on anti-anxiety pills. Both of you keep up the good work on this channel. You are making a positive difference in our community.
If there were such a pill to make you straight, I'd buy a truck load, just for a back up plan. I've been gay all my life. Now that I'm older and alone, it's miserable.. no one seems to be interested in the older. Settled. Lots of love to give.
I'm interested in older men, but apps like Grindr are probably not the right place to go looking. I think Hinge is a much better app these days for serious dating vs say Tinder or Grindr, which seems to be more focused on hookups than actual dating.
I stand with you brother
@@britt69 Do you have a partner now?
@britt69 I hate being alone and lonely..but I'm making the best out of life.
I dont understand why so many older gay men have the exact same struggle, but dont date in their age group.
I would not ever take a straight pill. Not only do I love the life I've built, but being gay influences my perception, my perspectives, and the way I process things. I see the world differently than my straight colleagues, and I think I'm a better person for it.
I would never take that pill , being gay is completely natural to me without discriminating the straight people 😊 after the pill I consider being straight will feel normal without discriminating gay people 😊
Why would I want to change myself, in that way?
After I accepted who I am there's no way I would want to become straight. Plus on the bright side being gay has it's perks. You're dealing with someone of your own gender so they're easier to understand and connect with, plus they become your best friend. And you save more money cause you don't have to be a "gentleman" and provide for your partner.😅
There's a weight- related saying about going on a Cruise - you go on as passengers and come off as cargo!
No pills. Look, forget the word gay for a minute.....it's a matter of a male being drawn and attracted to male energy. Can't fight the energy you're attracted to. End of story.
I don't equate the feeling of wanting to take the pill with internalized homophobia as much as it's just a complex issue. There are four countries and cultures where safety and character assassination, if not actual, is a real risk along with ostracization etcetera, so in those situations or similar situations Financial Etc it might be not just an easy way out, but genuinely a way more livable life to somehow be able to just take a pill and be straight.
I don't take pills!
I would of taken the pill think 1970...the world has changed a lot... I am the first son of the first son for seven generations .. my first American descendent was born in 1749... there are thousands in the family, but there is no longer a direct lineage.. If I were 17 today I absolutely would not take the pill... I have a beautiful quality of life ....
Humm, if there's a straight pill there must be a gay pill?
I always assume my Turkish barber is gay.
Why doi you need a visa to come to the US?
when will you guys become partners instead of boyfriends?. just curious. you guys are far from boyfriends it seems.
We are... they mean the same thing! We think people get too hung up on these terms...
@@happyhealthyhomo my partner and I are 66 and 63. We always felt too old to say bfs. And i guess they r the same things. Just far from boys at our age group. lol. It’s all good though
Don’t tell a gay man to rebuke demons. We’re into that s**t and can go wild with our imagination lol