Complete Loss of Power! Hyundai Sonata 2.4 2017
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Just so you know Ray: some times it does not matter how boring the things you do in the video are, we just enjoy sharing your brain space and being in a similar state of mind. For some of us, that is apparently enough to make our day. (And it may just as well be less boring than some of the things we ourselves have to do in the course of our workday.) 😁😁😄😄
Well said I was going to comment something similar......but you nailed it
i second that keeps me occupied for a while thanks for the video Ray
That is exactly why people watch as its boring and people love it
Perfectly stated. Thank you!
@@electronicengineer My pleasure. One of the few times it actually meant something positive to put my immediate thoughts into words like this.
This dude is blessed with socket gravity, I swear every time I drop something it’s unreachable without having to remove something that’s completely unrelated to the job.
I lost a 13mm under my fuel tank, I got it back later when the floor rusted out later on !
This engine is a real treat lots of extra maintenance to prevent this stuff. Have one with 100,000 miles on it. I have to check the oil every 2,000 miles. Run a can of CRC intake valve and turbo cleaner every 10 to 12,000 miles in it. And then also Chevron Techron fuel injector cleaner every so often. It's been trouble free but lots of extra maintenance.
I'm amazed that you can take so much apart, and it all gets put back in place with no parts/bolts/nuts left over. And it eventually starts. Good job !!!
Hey Ray. At first I thought you were just another joe working on cars. However, after consistent uploads and seeing day in and day out your work, although I may not agree with every little thing, anyone who does this day after day after day and pays attention to detail and focus will become a master of their work. Good job!
Its his personality that sells it
Having a cup of coffee and watching Ray video is all you need. Keep up the great videos Ray.
403am in California the 8th of August. 7: 00am to make it 3 hours. 🤔 What time do you start work and where are you? And I had another question you had a light strapped across the hood from the driver side to passenger side where'd you get that? And it's battery operated rechargeable? Sorry I'm not awake yet really 🙃👍🤣
Doing that right now!
Ray, I am not a mechanic but I love watching mechanic work. All the things I do not get to do. Watching you go through your day doing the same thing over and over is relaxing to me. No need to appologize. We come because you are good, You do not explain for 20 min and then show 5 min of mechanic work.
we enjoy watching "boring" things as they are new to us. You are soothing to watch and a highlight of my day.
And anyone who gets bored watching you I pity them.
We come to watch you work and to listen to you as you work. To enjoy your work as you do enjoy it. You are not boring .. EVER.
Ever
@@stoker261 Ever.
I believe you’re one of the most devoted TH-camrs I’ve seen. I know making and editing videos to upload daily isn’t a simple task. God bless Bro
As an aspiring mechanic that feels like he found his perfect job type I can ensure you that this is not boring at all. I have seen a lot of your videos now and I'm ahead in class and I feel like I can thank you for a big part of that. Than you for your videos!
Do something else this is a terrible way to make a living
I taught myself working on cars from the 80s onwards rite up to the new cars today it came pretty naturally for me I had fails but I had a lot more success 30 years on I'm a pretty good home mechanic I wish I would have done it as it job things are changing fast pretty soon mechanics will run out of work electric cars. You have to learn electronics and diagnostics some mechanical if you are young you should be learning the electronic side first mechanicals easy
Ray is still touching that steering wheel with his largest organ of the body in unprotected mode.
🤣🤣🤣, I would have used some bacterial wipes on it!🤣🤣
It's not like he's going to get exposed to fentanyl...... atleast it's a low possibility
Hey Ray, I’m a retired maintenance engineer and do not find your videos boring. I watch your channel and other technical ones in my quest to learn something new every day. I applaud your work ethic and appreciate your sharing of knowledge. You certainly contribute to my quest. Thank you.
Superb editing, correlation of video to music was spot on.
Direct injection is such a gimmick; engineer a system that works
great, until it eventually kills itself by it's nature.
Emissions from the rip were a gimmick to sell more cars. I put a catch can pcv set up on every vehicle I buy and will never buy a GDI car.
The new hyundais are dual injected. Mpi and GDI for carbon removal and emissions.
@@TormentedPenguin that's cool, owned a 88 Hyundai hatch 4 speed manual and little joker was a tank. It was taken off road just about as much as it was on pavement.
yo at like 9:15 that's the whole reason why i love your videos man. I'm just a mobile shade tree "mechanic" (glorified parts changer with basic diag), but the uncut just "it is what it is" instead of these youtubers glorifying wrenching making it look like a lego set. Your videos with explanations of systems and specific things on certain vehicles, procedures etc etc ... love it man keep doing you!
Well I always say that vehicles are just Legos. Very complicated Legos that can hurt you and can be a pain to diagnose sometimes 🤣 but I 100% agree with you. He's a good tech. Not perfect but nobody is. Great explanation most of the time and usually shows a decent how to and how it works.
Same, I like to work on my own car, not that I won't let a professional fix my car but I also want to learn this and I quite enjoy it
Zip ties and baling wire have saved me a lot of grief over my lifetime.
having a daughter with a Kia I can tell you for sure it was not acting like the recall engine, she went through that early before they admitted the engine had problems. That was an adventure. Great diagnosis and repair.
just sell the pos buy a honda or toyota
honestly better off trading it in for a 20 year old civic
My mother has a 2016 Sonata that burns 2 qts every 20 days or so. Maybe around 700 miles per week at most. Her's is starting to shoot oil out the tailpipe. Now Hyundai is also being sued for oil consumption. The knock issue settlement gave everyone a lifetime warranty on the powertrain but that isn't covering the oil issue.
@@RJT80 that sucks, hyundai should step up before they are made to step up, this is a bad look, again
@Adam Speck trash talk away, they actually had a decent reputation before the 2012 model year maybe? I forget which year they switched over to the disposable engine. which is why my daughter got the kia, her mechanic friend who worked on kia's recommended it. I told her to get a honda or toyota. lol
a pleasure to see an honest mechanic
Thank you very very much to all automotive engineers out there, 'cause every mechanic enjoys going through all that plumbing and connector stuff just to get a car with an attitude afterwards. You guys really make our freaking days shinier.
29:00 Ray you forgot the hose clamp in the right upper corner. On the small diameter hose 🤓. Great job anyway 👍🏻
This is the perfect job for a magnetic socket set. 😉
You found the spring clamp on the PCV, but forgot the one on the crankcase vent hose (at the airbox end of the intake tube @26:27).
THIS.
Ack. Still in the wrong place at least as of the engine cover being replaced🫤29:09. Hopefully caught before customer retrieval 🤞.
Noticed this right away... you can see at 26:45 that it's still down on the hose.
@@Justice-Seeker ACK ACK WHAT THIS MEAN.
In the UK I get them as I get home after all day as A BMW Master tech. You are a really clever and conscience worker Ray. I wish I had your positivity👍
👏👏👏👏👏for a great video. Your videos are never boring. You’re talking about those engines failing. Our daughter- in-law had a 2011 Hyundai, she was driving down the Interstate heard a boom, thrown rod through the side of the block, she got a new engine under warranty
Love the total change before/after with some relatively straight-forward fixes. I don't know what you were using in that drill but you can stack about 20 zip ties, bind them in a couple places with tiny ties and then cut off the square ends. Put the square end of the stack in the drill and it works well dislodging carbon. Oh... and as other have said holy moly that sheer thickness of the hand java on that steering wheel!😀
Always NOT boring! Great job. It still amazes me how some cars use a plastic intake manifold?!
Almost ALL cars use plastic intakes these days.
I have a 2012 Hyundai Azera with 89k miles on it. Still runs, looks and sounds like a champ. Love my car.
Sometime I wish I had a nice little shop to work on my car when it decided to create drama, seeing you work makes me a bit jealous as you have both the knowledge and the right tools for the work! (Most of the time) Love your videos!
Be prepared for a lot of Nancy's today and lots of REEE's, Ray. Good ol Monday mornings. Great job as always. I look forward to your great content and appreciate what you do!
Ha! Nancys, as in Nancy boys? LOL
@@nomebear yes! A few people woke up in terrible almost Karen-like moods. YIKES
I noticed one vacuum hose clamp that still isn't replaced at 29:03 towards the top near the large air intake, hopefully Ray saw it prior to attaching engine cover.
I kept wondering too LOL
Thanks for the video, always enjoy watching!
Im changing the intake on my 2016 tomorrow. This video was helpful.
Great video, I did notice there was one more clamp that didn't get put back on at the end. Other than that great work.
That job is easier if you remove the cooling fan. But you did a great job.
My daughter had a similar problem with her 2015 sonata. It was repaired as a recall.
love watching it go back together, but I always have that little bit of anxiety thinking that I missed something
That steering wheel is nasty. The only way i’d touch that thing is with 10 ply latex gloves.
You can tell a lot about how a person treats his car by looking at his steering wheel.
@@billkallas1762 you should see the steering wheel in my Tacoma farm trucks.
My OCD is twitching! Getting cleaning products for my screen to take that off I think my computer caught a virus (plague) from that wheel. I usually clean my steering wheel handbrake and gear knob, every month during my interior detailing, including cleaning vents dashboard and getting a detailing brush in all the crevices, euugh!
That's the most discusting steering wheel i have ever seen, thanks for the great content Ray
Great work Ray
If we had more thorough and honest mechanics like you there would be no concern if the customer is being scammed or taken advantage of.
So the intake/plenum was replaced to avoid cleaning it? It's common knowledge that the intake valve carbon build-up is because the vast majority of engines now utilize direct fuel injection, which means to make the engine last, never use dinosaur oil or synthetic blends, only use full synthetic oil. I just cleaned out the intake chambers on an Impala 3.6 which had quite a crusty coating on the valve stems. A relative was told his injectors needed replacing at $800 so he bought a new set on Amazon for $116 and after a year of trying to avoid the inevitable and running on only 5 cylinders, my wife asked me to help her bro. Cylinder #1 had a chunk of carbon lodged on the spark plug electrode and then a compression test revealed both #1 and #3 had weak compression. Further investigation revealed the thick carbon build-up and finally a cylinder leak-down test revealed the intake valves were leaking. Yep pressurizing the cylinder through the spark plug hole while a capful of Berryman’s B-12 sits on the intake valves will provide a good visual of the leakage. Like you, I cleaned the closed ports, scrubbing with a variety of wire brushes and sometimes a thin-bladed screwdriver to scrape off the baked-on hard chunks. I modified a wet/dry vac so a small modified PEX pipe (bench grinder thinned walls) would fit the ports to suck out the debris, used in conjunction with an air hose to help dislodge the particulate and make it airborne. The bonus was the PEX was able to fit inside the spark plug ports to vacuum the top of the pistons in case anything made it there. After cleaning everything, I started taking a closer look at the leaking valve faces and seats. I advised having a machine shop do a valve job but since that was out of the question. I briefly considered valve lapping but ended up just doing what I could without removing the heads. Anyway more scrubbing and sort of washing with Berryman's B-12, reduced the leakage enough to raise the compression enough to actually make combustion possible so again I had to use the vac along with an air hose to ensure nothing remained in the cylinders, reassembled everything, and started it up. Then I raised the RPM while spraying various carb cleaners into a port that was downstream from the throttle body. The idle fluctuated with an occasional miss on cylinder #1 and cylinder #3 but was smooth on the freeway while trying to blow out the remaining carbon. I pulled the plugs and they were completely black again so I had to repeat the cleaning process many times. After making sure everything was blown out, I took everything apart again to install the new fuel injectors, new spark plugs, and new intake/plenum gasket. The engine purred after that but after my brother-in-law put a couple hundred miles on it, the car died on the highway. I soon found the reason for a rattling noise in the exhaust that went away after starting, which my B.I.L said began after he got into an accident years ago...much of the contents of one of the 3 catalytic converters totally obstructed the final catalytic converter. The front catalytic converter appeared fine but the middle one near the firewall had a honeycomb-like structure that looked stained and maybe slightly clogged but blowing air on it made the chunks drop so I cleared it out. The other cats passed the blowing air test so I reassembled by making the 3 gaskets using a sheet of exhaust gasket material, which was less than $20 compared to the 2 @ $20 each and the rear @ $8. I thought for sure the oxygen sensor would set a code but it hasn't. I'm shocked that it's running so smoothly. BTW I also installed an oil catch can on the rear PCV in case a moron changes the oil with dinosaur oil again. I hate working on vehicles that use dinosaur oil. That crap seems to bake on everything inside the engine. And it's foolish to ignore an engine miss...those catalytic converters aren't cheap.
Your brother-in-law owes you big time
@@bjkjoseph Happy wife, happy life.
Thanks for the info on using synthetic oil changes versus dinosaur oil. We have been getting synthetic oil changes and I was wondering if it made any difference and was thinking of just getting the cheap oil changes. Good thing we have a2017 Hyundai Sonata sport and a 2019 Hyundai Sonata sport. I am so regretting my purchases. The 2017 had the limp mode thing at 95000 miles but the dealership would not replace until it seizes up. Hope we don’t get in an accident or fire due to this bad engine.
Ray, have you ever considered using walnut shell blasting with a vacuum hose attached for medium removal like they use on Toyotas and Mercedes Benz vehicles?. Worth looking into it. Cheers You channel is AWESOME!
G’morning Ray!
Keep up the fun and informative videos (from a 2004 2500HD LQ4 owner)!
Ray i love it when a plan comes together great work Ray o and have yourself a great day
It would be interesting to disassemble the old intake manifold to see what the fault was.
If that was my personal vehicle, I likely would have tried the seafoam sucked through a large vacuum line first. Let it sit for an hour and then drove it. Not necessarily a long term fix, but obviously the system is flawed because it should never get that plugged up to begin with.
I've learned a few tips and tricks to incorporate into my diag procedures Ray. Keep on rocking it buddy.
Work fascinates me Ray, I can watch you for hours.
This channel helps me to learn about all the cars to avoid.
The incrustations come from the exhaust gas recirculation.
Some repair shops use shredded walnut shells to clean the intake ducts.
All VW vehicles (VW, Audi, etc) suffer extremely from coked up intake ducts.
You'd think those crafy creators of overly complex cars woulda come up with some sorta Rube Goldberg solution by now.
Well and the fact it's direct injected is what allows the build up. Running intake cleaners periodically does help get rid of the build up.
Yeah - all the direct injection engines like the T(F)SI from VW/Audi suffer from carbon buildups. I saw several YT videos here in German automotive channels about the walnut treatment. The results are very impressive, but quite expensive at the same time...
Yes, more or less standard in europe to "sandblast" the intake area of the cylinder head, including the valves, with shredded walnut shells. Works good. And the advantage of the shredded walnut shells is, that remains will just be burned and do noth damage the engine,
The best method I've seen so far for cleaning the intake and valve is dry ice blasting.
Too bad is not cost effective for even a shop to have the equipment. The problem is that dry ice is expensive and it will melt in a short amount of time.
So glad went so well at 9:45 you had wires holding intake on didn't see on reinstall. Happy you got those connected might have had to edit out those bad words that come finding you can`t plug those in when intake is installed. Had things like that happen not good , not good at all lots of bad, bad words . Great Video
Ray it would interesting to see what failed actually inside the intake.Could dissect the old one or is it in the trash already?
Probably the runner flaps were carboned up and inoperable. It's cheaper and less hassle to just replace the intake assembly.
Absolutely want to see the old unit
Knock sensor does not allow for power. Flaps could be checked for movement. (not a lot of carbon build up)
something failed to cause this much carbon build up? I thought it was a natural process of being s GDI engine.
@@roostersideburns3440older gdi engines need an oil catch can. Ray should have also used walnut media to blast the intake. Would have done a much better more thorough cleaning. As well as some Seafoam intake cleaner at every oil change.
I was afraid to acknowledge the fact that I get up at 5AM to see what Rainman is up to, however it seems that I'm not alone. Yes I start the kettle add sweet tea and sit back search for Rainman and look mechanical. Good work Ray, we've done it again another satisfied client. Click!
Very very good content as usual, Thanks Ray
Honestly Ray, I love the videos, it helps me understand how to work on vehicles and I was inspired to actually work on vehicles.
That thing is filthy!! I have one of these in 2018 with 95,000 miles and it still looks new - inside and out.
I have been on the lookout for carbon buildup, but I've devised a 'self cleaning' kit I want to install. Gonna get before/after pix. Gonna be interesting, I think.
Can you describe your "'self cleaning' kit" ???🧐🧐
I’m guessing you’re also somewhat of a stickler when it comes to top tier fuel
@@paulhenryxray I only use top tier fuel in my 2018 Hyundai. Years ago the price difference between top tier fuel and no name was a lot but not anymore around here. Just got Shell gas for $3.22, RaceWay was $3.59.
Haven’t tried it myself yet, but Charles over from Humble Mechanic, I believe, tied a bunch of tie-wraps together and used the tips as a sort of brush to clean the intake valves of a caked up engine, I’m interested to see how that works and if it helps to cut time on these kinds of jobs.
I have heard of some using a sandblaster with ground pecan shells to blast the carbon!!😲😲
@@wallychambe1587 Walnut blasting is typically the preferred intake valve cleaning service for most direct injection cars
@@jacobn3160 Thanks, I meant walnut but I couldn't think of it so I put Pecan!🤣🤣
Hahaha, pecan test coming up…..
That is a great idea! That guy Charles sure knows how to help himself! I can totally see this working as a "gentle to metal" dingle-ball type honing tool, only just removing the carbon buildup, but leaving the aluminum alone and clean. Lot's of smart people out in the world! Thank you for sharing this with us.
I watch all his videos! I just got through building a rat bike . And watching this channel. I am retired. And enjoy watching a man work. I never been afraid of work. I can lay down beside work and go to sleep.
Waking up to Ray and his wisdoms coupled with his Rayisms is the best way to start my day. Coffee rounds it out. Wait what Ray reeeed himself a first to be sure.
I remember the 2017 Sonata. It's the one with schmoo all over the steering wheel. Ugh!😳 Ray should have been wearing gloves.
Ray, excellent work as always. Was wondering if you could take apart the old runner to let us see how much junk was built up in it. Would an engine cleaning additive have helped prevent the build up? Or maybe one added to the gas?
I used sea foam deep creep and sprayed it in just before the throttle body just like the instructions say. Has helped a lot.
Because it's a Direct Injection vehicle adding something to the gas won't help with that carbon, simply because the fuel never touches the intake manifold on direct injection vehicles. However you can get a spray cleaner that can be added directly into the intake which can help. For example I've heard of some people using carburetor cleaner, or break clean. There's probably even an actual intake manifold cleaner that you could buy, however since I've not owned or had to clean a direct injection vehicle I haven't fully looked into methods to clean it up myself.
@@tickledlion66 Walnut blasting is the official way to clean valves on a GDI, same way as Ray did by making sure the valves are closed before blasting and if its your carmaker sure you give it a good ole ‘Italian Tune Up’ every once in a while, test out the hard rev limiter too. Going to do this to my Miata MX5 ND when the time comes, I have the compressor and gun all I need is a big bag of walnuts, engine is not transverse mount so it should be easier👌
Yes folks like valvoline and bg have a fogger system to spray in the intake which allows the cleaner to pass over the Valves. The valvoline product does work. But wouldn't be a cure all for major build up.
Walnut shell blasting is the proper way 👍 but if it’s old enough to have port injection, it’s simply not affected
one little part that causes so much hard aches. Have a great day to you too!
I love watching the last 15 minutes of a car restoration on a car show. I love the final assembly after paint.
VW has been fighting this battle since the 00's 🤣
Actually got a Golf in the shop at the moment, misfire at idle, pulled the manifold to find similar amount carbon build up and thought it was an acceptable level (they can get extremely bad) Might have a go at cleaning it up to see what happens. But I work for a bunch of fools who have zero mechanical knowledge and can't even order parts... I feel sorry for the customer.
If you work for a bunch of fools: go get yourself employed by another shop
Ya, No one looks after your best interests ...... Than you.
The problem is gasoline direct injection (GDI)
The gas is typically injected at the manifold, which cleans the intake ports as it travels through.
With GDI, the gas goes right into the cylinder, bypassing the ports, allowing them to get cruddy.
@@livinincalifornia Ya on that. Tis reason most quality TDI engines today also employ PFI to smooth out power bands and eliminate needless expensive fixes
That steering wheel is a hazardous waste site! It looks like years of not cleaning sunscreen off the wheel. BTW, a neighbor just had their car that was just like this stolen. Cops said this brand is an easy target.
Looks like a whole bunch of dried jizz on the steering wheel
Another great troubleshooting episode.
Keep up the great work 👍
Great diagnosis and repair, Ray!
Nice work as usual. I would suggest you may want some KOKEN "grip" sockets that will hold a nut or bolt without worrying about it falling off . (I liked them so much I got 2 sets, one for shop & one for traveling). MRSUBARU1387 has short picture videos for a better description.
You can also get little hexagon shaped magnets that fit inside the socket
@@petermolnar8667The Koken nut grip sockets are way better than magnets. Love mine
I already knew the intake manifold was going to be nasty inside. The steering wheel is nasty, so if they can't keep that clean, why would I expect that the owner would bother to do other maintenance items.
So if I haven’t washed my car in a while, you would assume I never change the oil? There’s not much “maintenance” that can be done to prevent carbon deposits in the intake tract. Hyundai doesn’t care. They just want it to last through the warranty period and then sell you another car.
@@iuyozx an induction cleaning would solve that.
I only started watching it, but good job Ray!
Talking to myself. I call it. "Thinking out loud"
Surely this is really poor of Hyundai? I'm in new Zealand, but can imagine that would be a $2000 or so repair here? I'd be pretty pissed if my 2017 car with 100,000kms on it needed this work!!
I dont understand why people buy them in the first place, only need to look at what they were putting out in the 90s to see what they thought of their customers
This isn't as bad as a Land Rover that needs an internal timing belt replaced every 70,000 miles. While there are mechanics in England who own the specialty tools required and perform the procedure for 900 Euros, in America few shops have the capability and this procedure typically costs between $1,800 and $2,500.
Land Rovers also have JATCO transmissions that cannot be serviced and fail somewhere between 70,000 and 100,000 miles. According to JATCO technical documents, the most common failure involves a $30 relay that cannot be replaced except at the factory.
Some vehicles are too expensive to own over the long term.
This ought to be warranty work due to faulty engine design.
@@mehmeh5471 --just speaking for myself, i bought one ('02 Santa Fe/89k miles) because i was able to get a used one for $4,500, out-the-door. I used only synthetic oil and put 403,000 miles total on it before i sold it to friend. :). Not all Hyundai years and models are created equal imo.
This is probably on the owner... Hyuandai offers great warranty on their vehicles if you service them regularly at the dealer, and seeing that it's a 2017 sub 100k miles car it should have warranty... my bet is this owner hasn't been visiting the dealer and therefor no more warranty.
Asking the experts here. On the Hyundai direct injection engines, how does someone prevent this issue?
Avoid direct injection.
Extra maintenance $15 a can of some some crc intake valve and a turbo cleaner every 10 to 12,000 miles. I've got over 100,000 miles on one of these engines with no issues.
I use CRC gdi intake cleaner on mine every 10,000 miles and it still runs great at 100,000 miles.
People dropping off a car with no fuel is arguably the most annoying thing they do.
I know that everybody complains about Sonata and there are many issues - but I think that most of them are manufacture-related (that instance they assembled engines without cleaning them properly etc.) than of the design itself. Mine, a 2011, has over 125,000 miles (first 25K were done as a rental) and it runs great - kept cleaning the valves with GDI, doing proper maintenance in time, install a catch-can. Was checking the clip because next year I want to cleanup the carbon buildup (CRC GDI cleaner can only do so much) and it is a great tutorial what is to be done.
My Mom has a 2014 Kia Sorento with that same GDI engine….. those engines are trash. This carbon “issue” is a severe design flaw in my opinion. I’ve done the carbon cleaning procedure with that stuff from CRC twice and sure, it restores SOME power and a little throttle response but it barely makes a dent in that carbon build up on the intake and valves. The ultimate “fix” (temporarily) is to walnut blast the valves (search TH-cam), that stuff is like epoxy on those valves. Once you walnut blast the valves and get them all clean you’re good… for another 50,000 miles, then you’re back here. What a mess 🤬
It's like that with every GDI engine... Unless you have a dual injector system (one port and one in cylinder) like Toyotas have).
If you want to prolong the time before every cleanup, install a catch-can.
@@shane250 I keep hearing mixed results with those catch-cans… I don’t know. My Mom’s GDI engine is having some issues, I keep trying to get her to go to KIA for it but she keeps putting it off. She’s already had them inspect her engine for the recall and it “passed” but it is having a REALLY bad oil consumption issue. Every week she has to add a quart of oil and she doesn’t drive it that much. Her A/C has died too, most likely the compressor, that car is a mess and she didn’t buy it that long ago. 🫤
@@frankthespank
Yeah, anything Hyundai\Kia 2013 and newer is pretty trashy. Their older models are good (before the Theta engines). I have a 2010 Santa Fe, 3.5 V6, 170Kkm... And my engine doesn't consume even a drop of oil between services. Lots of suspension parts fail though (but that's because Quebec roads are crap).
An oil catch can WILL help with carbon deposited, but nothing will help with the oil consumption (unless the PCV valve is faulty, might be stuck open).
These Theta engines are trash. She should get rid of it and get a Toyota instead. My brother loved my Santa Fe, so he bought a 2014 Santa Fe, first engine died after 40K, the second at 60K (both under warranty), he got rid of it immediately after replacing the 2nd engine.
@@shane250 Ugh… she just paid it off and the car market is REALLY messed up right now… It’s a nice SUV but yeah, that Theta engine is complete junk. I had heard such good things about KIA’s and the the cars coming out of Korea. I guess we just missed the boat..
I don’t get the car market right now, I guess it’s “the chip shortage” causing it. I paid $10k for my 2000 F150 about 14 years ago, I’ve taken care of it like I do with all my cars/trucks but I’ve had offers for it just sitting in my driveway NOT for sale for $14,000+, Craigslist and Marketplace has my same truck going for similar prices. It’d be great if I didn’t need anything to replace it. Same with my Mom’s KIA, she does like Toyota’s, my whole family does but the prices right now on everything.., yeow! 😯
@@shane250 Ah, forgot to say I replaced the PCV valve in it already with a brand new factory PCV, didn’t help at all…😐
I had to do some repairs, back in the old days, for some HP printers, and they had several coarse thread screws designed for fastening into plastic. I developed a hatred for such designs (screws directly into plastic) because of this. I do not envy that you have so many in this repair.
Nice video Ray
Awesome! Well done. Great video. Thanks Ray.
Nothing quite like the satisfaction when you step on the accelerator and find that it actually goes. Score one for the good guys.
"And I don't even have to replace the engine" lol nice work ray🤘
You are not alone. Ray is the greatest in the Bay.
I learned such a lot with each video. Thanks Ray
That new manifold is so nice and shiny
I have a 2015 Kia Rio 1.6 GDI and use a can of CRC intake valve and turbo cleaner every 2nd oil change and it cleans things nicely. It also works great when cleaning any direct injection intake valves that get that carboned up.
Ray, all of your Videos are great
Ray. Have a great day! Stay safe and be well.
Love the videos
Hi, Ray. Great vid. GDI engines have issues with carbon buildup. Valve stems aren’t bathed in fuel, and the intake manifold can be gunked up with carbon. I got a multi-port, 4.6, 2012, Hyundai, with 64,000 miles. Runs like new.
Yes have one in kia they are horrible carboning valves because of injection system . When got our idled rough read about there problems. Found a cleaner that actually worked very well . Been over a year runs great. They say you pull intake a blast with walnut shells. Have a great day.
Nice video, keep them coming 👍
I am surprised that a 5 year old engine needs such work, including the replacement of the manifold. After watching you and Wes and Eric O, I wonder what vehicles have the least high maintenance requirements. Thus far, my 08 E150 Ford van and my 15 Jeep Renegade have not required much work except for a fried starter on the Jeep 3 years back. I enjoy all your videos. Be safe.
Hi from uk ray 👋👍 another great set of uploads and don't listen to what ppl say about things ray fixes everything, anytime unless customer states "" No DONT DO THAT!"" 🤣🤣 Thanks for your time be safe and see you soon 👍 👋
I own a Hyundai Santa Fe, 231000 miles, and have had no problems with it except, plugs, coils, fuel level sender, fuel pump later, brakes all the way around and back,alternader , and until I learned from you an emission code, I then took your advice and quit over the filling tank, and nada light. Thanks again Ray for an entertaining informative video, looking forward to more.
What year and engine ? Gdi?
this was very good, thanks Rainman. Crazy big piece of plastic to replace.
wish this was 4k
is it me or are we seeing a lot of Kias and Hyundais here?
most of Ray's customers are not wealthy people and I hope they appreciate a mechanic who will deal with them honestly.
I love these vids :) thanks dude - giving me lots of confidence to really delve into my Volvo 240
You are a good mechanic sir. Greetings from Australia!!.
Good morning Ray
The way most shops clean the carbon on the valves is walnut shell blasting. It gets them pretty clean. And install a catch can between the pcv valve to keep the valves clean longer.
Good job Ray
Hey Master Ray ,really good job on a Sonata keep going young man .
Good work Ray 😎
Amazing. Imagine in 1960 buying a new car and being told "yea in 5 years you will need to remove and replace...." anything other than tires!