People say, they dont have time to check the oil and water in the car, but they have a lot of time for Facebook and Instagram. Its a strange world now a days.
My favorite is the ppl who buy new or almost new cars that cost big money then scoff at the Idea of paying for oil changes and run that shit 20k every time. Nice cars with bald tires get me too.
My niece had a Volkswagen rabbit convertible back in the early 90's that she completely ran dry of oil till the engine locked up. When I told her what was wrong with her car she said " Well i'll never buy another Volkswagen again!" I told her that the same thing would have happened if she had a Mercedes or a BMW. It's a vehicle, not a purse. It needs to be maintained!
A friends son-in-law bought a brand new Dodge with a 100% pre paid service plan. He drove it for a few years without ever getting it serviced or even checking the oil.
I have a very similar story. A couple I knew had a diesel Mazda 6. It had snowed and they needed to go to work. But instead of digging the car out of the snow, they decided to just sit in the car and redline the engine in first gear with the wheels spinning, trying to get out of the snow. Needless to say that tactic didn't work and it just broke the car. They took it to a local garage and the mechanic spent weeks trying to figure it out. Ended up tearing down the engine to find they'd put so much torque back through the engine that they had bent the camshaft. The mechanic hadn't even thought that was possible. Of course the punchline is that they said they'd never buy another Mazda again due to it being unreliable... As an aside, the same guy from the couple once tried to force me to put boiling water on my windscreen to melt ice. I kept politely declining his offer until I just had to walk away...
When you're taking your drivers licence in Sweden there's a "garage lesson" where you learn to check the fluids (oil, brake, washer, coolant) and other essentials.
@@darkiee69 if we weren't so damn caught up in being the world's police, other countries would probably be inclined to put more towards defense. We bolster our allies defenses simply by being allied, but it's the American tax payers who pay for it.
@@spicysnowman8886 Please read a bit on Swedish defense industry, they're doing nice things with the Swedish tax payers money. But on another note, yeah, I think Finnish drivers license also gives the basics on maintenance, I drive a Swedish car so I need not worry.
My wife and I bought a 2016 Hyundai Sonata for our youngest daughter, who's in college. After driving the car just over 6 weeks, the engine locked up and put my daughter down on the highway. The oil had been changed 3489 miles previously. We had the car towed to the dealership, and after diagnosing the issue a week later, they said the engine had seized up. The car had 131,410 miles on it and before that happened, the car ran perfectly. It didn't smoke or leak any oil. So they submitted a claim to have the engine replaced, but Hyundai denied the claim. The reason they gave was because we hadn't had the KSDS software update performed, which is included in the 953 recall campaign. Honestly, at that particular time, We were unaware of any such recall or software update, and Hyundai hadn't sent us anything recommending we have it done. Had I known the significance of it, I would've made sure to have it done! After all, recalls and such are free! So the car sat at the dealership for a long time while we tried to figure which route to take. They wanted to replace the engine for $7k+, which I thought was ridiculous, since we had paid only $7k for the car to begin with. So I decided to call Hyundai's claim line and try and plead my case, hoping for some sort of sympathy or monetary relief. Once I got someone on the line and pleaded my case, the person on the phone asked me for my VIN. She then asked me why did they deny the claim and I told her it was due to not having the KSDS update. She said "Sir, your car had the update performed on Feb 9th, 2022"; your claim shouldn't have been denied. So she assigned me a case number and said someone will call me in about 3 days to further my situation. In the mean time the dealership called me and said I needed to come get the vehicle due to them running out of room for other customers. I then told them what the lady said about the update and they told me they would go double check the VIN and call me back. They called me later that day and said someone had indeed "fat- fingered" the VIN, which still pulled up a blue 2016 Hyundai Sonata that hadn't had the update performed. The service manager said they would have to resubmit the claim and call me back. The next day they called and said the claim was approved and that they were extremely sorry for the 3 month long mix up, and that they would place our vehicle at the top of the list once the new parts arrived. This mad my wife and I extremely happy because our daughter really needed her car to get back and forth to class. She lives off campus... So if you know anyone who owns a Kia or Hyundai, make sure you advise them to take their vehicle in and have the update done, if they haven't already. Because that and low oil upon arrival, is an easy out for them and they'll surely deny your claim.
I'd drop the pan, lremove the rod caps, emery the journals throw in rod bearings .if the knock is gone I'm good to go. I'll even do the job in a dirt lot under a shade tree. Good thing I've always done my own mechanical work.
Sad part is if they checked the oil and topped it up right before taking it to the dealer for the recall, the outcome might have been totally different. It's no secret that dealers will look for any way to avoid a warranty claim, so in addition to keeping up with my periodic under-hood checks, I also always give my cars a once over, and clean them, before taking them to the dealer for service.
I agree, mechanics notice whether someone takes care of their vehicle, not only does that cause them to pay attention, but take extra care in their service. Nobody wants to work on a filthy cluttered mess.
Great point! My daughters ask why I always check our cars over, empty the junk out and fill the tank before bringing them in for service. I believe strongly that if the shop sees that I the customer takes good care of the vehicle, they may be more respectful of it as well 😄
yeah my 2011 kia optima get an issue with the recall twice. I got both sides of the main recall, total engine lock up the first time, replaced the engine under recall. Had it for 14 months, then it went into limp mode (that's the second side of the recall tree, valve problem) said it was past 12 months 12000 miles to replace under recall agian. Sold it for $500 to junkers. Everytime I see somone with a kia or hyundia with the same engine I urge them to sell it for 5-7 grand now and avoid losing the potential value.
Yep. My mother has the exact same car. I always did her oil changes and once every two weeks checked the oil. It would usually burn 2 qts a month and she only drives 2-3 days a week. Maybe 500 miles a month. Made sure it had oil in it when she took it to Hyundai and they rebuilt the engine in a week. That was about 2 months ago. Runs like a dream now. Burnt about half a quart since but the oil still looks new.
Their port injected engines from the 2000s were super solid, I could recommend most any decently maintained elantra/sonata or azera from that era as a rock solid starter car for anyone. Heck my cheap engineer dad wrung over 400k out of his 2004 Elantra with just maintenance before finally getting a new car in 2016.; However ever since Hyundai went direct injected, they've had a multitude of problems with their engines. Most of all the turbo 4's, so back to Toyota my recommendations go.
@@anasevi9456 Their build quality is garbage even if the engine is solid. My friend had both front door handles break, and then both front window regulators jammed, and the ac compressor is making terrible sounds as well. I'd avoid Hyundai personally, it's not even that much more to get a Honda or Toyota.
Last summer while at the lake, I spotted my 95 year old neighbour with the hood of her vehicle up and she was checking the fluids in prep for a 150 mile trip she would be making the next day. I had a good chat and let her know that over 90% of drivers today either don’t know or don’t care about the importance of what she was doing. How did we lose these important life skills?
We've been convinced that we don't have to put up with the inconvenience of basic maintenance on a car. Witness the "lifetime" transmissions on some cars. One trip to the shop for a few hours is too much for people. And anyone, I don't care who you are, if you have a driver's license, there is no excuse for not being able to check the oil. Pull the damn dipstick. And check it every time you drive away from a shop, because mistakes do happen.
Almost all brands have better reliability now than before. Electronic ignitions and fuel injection did away with tune ups entirely. 100+ years of building ICE has taught the manufacturers how it's done. That is until they cut too many corners as evidenced here.
I bought a 1992 VW Golf for $100, that was in pretty much the exact same shape, except the oil pressure light (and buzzer) was on. Dropped the pan, and the “oil” was nothing but sludge. The oil pump pick up screen was covered in a solid “mud cake.” Cleaned the pickup, shoveled out the pan, and reinstalled. Filled the engine with 2 quarts of “Motor Flush” and two quarts of cheap 5W-30. Let it idle for 10 mins, then proceeded to steadily increase throttle until it was near 4K rpm. Expecting it to either “grenade” at any moment, or clear the blockages. Miraculously, it suddenly cleared, and the oil light/buzzer went off. Dropped the pan, dumped all the new gunk/sludge, and recleaned the oil pick up. Plasti-gauged and replaced one horribly torched rod bearing, and filled it back up with 4 quarts of Mobil 1 10W-30. Proceeded to deliver Dominos pizza in that car for the next two years. It ran just fine, and sounded relatively normal in the winter. In the heat of the summer months, though, someone once asked me if it was a diesel. 😂 So, sometimes “dead” doesn’t always mean it MUST be buried. Where there’s a will, there’s a way. You mentioned the salvage yard, as that Hyundai’s likely destination. And halfway through the video I was thinking salvage yard. Not for drop off, but for pick up, of a used engine out of a wrecked donor car. Aside from that option, you could have also purchased it from the customer for a song, and started parting it out on eBay with “local pick up only” for all the parts. No hassle in dealing with shipping, and you’d make a ton of $. Thanks for reading my novel. Have a nice day everyone!
Wow I was one of the lucky ones... I have a '16 Hyundai Sonata where this exact thing happened. Keep in mind that I have always serviced my vehicle at the dealer, including all oil changes. Here's how it went down: I went for an oil change, and on my way back home, the engine lost basically all its oil, and I was leaving a trail of oil on the highway. I had to immediately pull over because it felt like the engine was about to blow. Ended up calling a tow truck. I then called the dealership and told them what just happened, given that my car had literally left their shop less than 30 minutes before it happened. With this being the case, and my maintenance history with them, they replaced my engine free of charge, and now I also have lifetime warranty on the new engine they put in. After the engine was replaced, they mentioned a lot of the same issues... flakes in the oil and cylinders, knocking, etc. I'm glad I was able to escape such a scenario as what this customer is going through.
yeah paying for the oil changes can get you a free engine in there's a recall on that engine for being bad if it's a junk engine maintaining it is still worth it incase of recalls
It's because its a flawed design from the start as Scotty Kilmer said. Avoid Hyundai + Kia. They'd like to be considered in the same realm as Toyota and Honda, and while there's 'value' for the short term, there isn't long term reliability. You pay for what you get.
story time - my lady neighbour, leaving in the same street, around 30 y.o, single, drives a small KIA which she bought few years back used. As a guy and a good neighbour, seeing her struggling from time with teh car (dead battery or seized brakes) I offered her some car maintenance on her little car - like literally every few months. She always denied any help. A single strong lady, you know, as she likes to be seen LOL. One day she calls me asking for help with the car. That's new - I thought - and it's probably already worse than I even can imagine. It turned out the car wants to crank, but won't start. Battery, fuses, fuel, fuel pump, sparkplugs, filters, starter.. checked all of this - obviously everything neglected and air filter as dirty as a mud-rag. Oil level was the last I checked. Dipstick dry. When I asked her when she did the last oil-change she just made big eyes saying "what?" . When I started to explain that probably the engine might be even seized or something, she started to get upset and eventually started to cry. Long story short - her small kia got scrapped few days later after a pofessional mechanic - not just some random neighbour like myself LOL - told her - not for free - how much it will cost her to get the car back on road. She got a next car - I don't offer her any help with it anymore. It's pointless in some cases. Some people will never understand that machines need maintenance. They would want everything to be easy and fun.
From first-hand experience, the oil consumption on these 2.4L Hyundai engines is greater than usual. You'll run through a FEW quarts between oil changes, so you have to be really on top of the levels. You won't get a low level or low pressure warning, either.
@tomtomorange 100%. It's ridiculous that you don't get some kind of warning. A lot of drivers with that 2.4L may be running substantially low without warning. And this engine already has an extended warranty for knocking due to a defective bearing. The mfgr./dealer will take any excuse not to replace your engine under this program, and low oil is definitely on the list of excuses.
We bought a 2016 sonata for our daughter and let me tell you, is been a nightmare for me checking the oil level every three or four days, now is smoking more that usual, that's the greatest garbage from Hyundai, I will stay away from them forever
Many years ago I worked part time at a service station and back then we used to pump the petrol etc for the customer. When I asked a young woman who pulled up in a VW Beetle if she wanted the oil checked she replied that they didn't need oil. I informed her that it was air cooled and didn't need water but definitely needed oil!
It is a weird world we live in when it's cheaper to throw something away then it is to repair it. The amount of Natural Resources being wasted is insane!! Love your videos cheers from Atlantic Canada👍😎🇨🇦
This is part of the reason I'm keeping my old car as long as possible. Also because new cars do dumb things like the known piston ring blow-by issues with this GDI engine, and they nearly require a second mortgage to buy them. I've put $1,400ish into my car this year so far. Still way better off financially -- and environmentally -- than buying a new car.
It's a consumer driven society. When Apple sells a new iphone every year with miniscule improvements over the previous model, what do you expect? And electronics recycling is mythical at best. These companies don't care about the environment. And apple is just ONE company. Everybody uses plastic these days, but plastic is terrible!
@15:45 Wizard, you're truly a class act. Thanks for this. It's sad that people have to be reminded to be kind and have sympathy. I've always admired your attitude toward protecting your customers. It seems that you truly care about people, and it shows in your work.
Idk as a car enthusiast its hard to be empathetic to someone who wouldn't spare a minute to potentially save their car's engine. Now they get to go byy another car just for that.
@@brayannexon4613 idk man, I don’t think anyone deserves a 8-10k bill for not checking their oil or for mistakenly thinking “it’ll probably be fine” and getting hit it with the bill. It was clear even wizard was shocked that no one would rebuild it
@@saratc660 what do they deserve then? A reward for their stupidity? To have a car so poorly maintained it barely had any oil left deserves very little sympathy.
@@saratc660 Yeah anyone can rebuild an Ecoboom the 2.0 i4 turbo in the lower trim mustangs... And you could always just swap in a coyote the GT Mustangs's V8.
Thank You Mr & Mrs Wizard, I just repaired a minor turn signal, and I will go and check my oil! 2006 Hundia Elantra, I deliver flowers with it, just turned over 90,000 miles. For my last oil change, they replaced the oil drain plug with an oversized plug. As my mechanic stated these oil pans were aluminum. The idea was to decrease the weight of the engine. So every oil change, I will just cross my fingers, you convinced me not to let this go! I do like your inspections of the vehicles both inside and out! Thank You!
When you said the grandmother bought the car for her granddaughter, I knew immediately she was not maintaining her car. Just hearing that, before you can see in the car already knew what the problem was. Lack of maintenance and I would expect to have very little oil in the car without even seeing the car. I've seen this so many times. People are just gas and go especially when they're given a car because they just don't take care of it. Either lack of knowledge about maintenance or just laziness
An honest mechanic is hard to find, and you're the best honest mechanic out there. My subaru had a minor oil burn, but because it was not 1 quart in 1200 miles a extended warranty offered only on the engine was not honored. They instead blamed on me having a clogged up pcv valve. Dealers want to save the company money
Funnily enough, I bought a 2013 Sonata with the original 2.4l engine (bad market at the time) for $3000 a few years back. It miraculously had 210k miles. I kept it for another 10k miles and sold it. The previous owners secret was that he kept up with oil changes and topped off when needed. He also drove the hell out of it. It didn't even burn oil! To this day i wonder if I had a unicorn on my hands lol.
As a service writer at a Hyundai dealership alot of those 2.4s have an engine warranty extension. I bet if I ran the vin through our system I could see if it does. Also low oil is common because these motors burn oil like crazy
If owners don’t check the oil level at all, then this will happen sooner or later. It’s so easy to check a dipstick, or get someone else to check if you don’t know how.
It used to be you wouldn't have to worry about excessive oil consumption in older cars unless the miles were high. But oil viscosity is much lower than before, which makes them more vulnerable to this issue.
hyundai make one of the worst engine in the world. they used to OEM Mitsubishi engines those were solid. as soon as hyundai made own engines, they all fail around 40k-70k.
@@kuyre2239 The 2.4 Liter 4 cylinder that Sonata has is a shared engine with Chrysler, Kia and Mitsubishi. It's called the "world engine" for a reason.
Great video. My dad tought me to always change the oil every 3000 miles. Even with the suggested 5000 & 10,000 mile suggested changes in today's new cars, I stick with the 3000 rule and I check my oil every month. My car is only five years old with less than 60,000 miles, but I won't change from what I learned. Keep up the great and honest suggestions in your videos. We all appreciate it.
Changing oil evey 3000 miles seems like a waste of money considering how much synthetic oil and quality filters cost, not to mention how much better oil quality is compared mineral oils from 30-40 years ago. Not to mention how much fuel quality has changed as well as engine build quality. That 3000 miles thing was adequate for 1970's Chevy Novas that ran rich and had warn out piston rings in less than 50 000 miles not for vehicles made in 21sr centuryõ But if you don't want to change or actually learn anything new, then it's your money you're spending.
@@robertrool8108 - I schedule 5k miles on my g/f’s Rav 4. I use high quality Wix filters and Mobil 1. I actually just changed it on Monday at 5500 miles and this new 0w-20 oil is garbage. Absolutely no viscosity left compared to the 5-30 syn blend I use on my Astro van and her old ‘08 Rav 4 with 278k miles.
I’ve had engine for my 2011 Sonata replaced at 160k miles by the dealer for free due to high oil consumption (quarter per 300 miles). There is now a lifetime warranty for those engines by Hyundai because of all the lawsuits. If the dealership denies the warranty, please contact Hyundai customer service and also try another dealership. I have several friends who also replaced their 2.4s by warranty. There is a ton of info on Hyundai/Kia forum. I’d be happy to provide more details, your customer should not pay for the replacement of this engine. Good luck!
I bet the dealer that the customer went to probably saw that they didn’t have any oil change records through them, so that gave them grounds to decline the service. But I would definitely go to another dealership and get Hyundai/Kia Corporate involved.
My 2012 Sonata had the engine replaced two years ago by the dealer here in Tampa absolutely free. The rod bearings completely failed and seized the engine. Hyundai should replace the engine.
I’m so glad I stumbled upon this video! I appreciate that you took the time to advocate for this family. There are plenty of videos demonstrating these 2.4L engines are poor in design and likely to fail with many seized engines. Shame on Hyundai! I own both Hyundai & Kia I can assure they will be my last vehicles I will buy from them…even if they go strictly electric!
This is great advice EVEN for the mechanically inclined. Last summer replaced a head gasket on a different vehicle. At the same time my teenage daughter was driving one of our cars, of Japanese variety, and then one day I climbed into it and realized it had been over a year and 10,000 miles since the oil was changed. Many faulted Acura's very in your face oil change reminders but I actually think it might be a really good idea for people like me.
If the owner were to trade that car in for a new car, the dealer would take the car and then put in a new engine under the owners original warranty. and along with screwing the owner on the trade, they would screw Hyundai on the replacement engine - That is the truth and that is how bad car dealers are - all of them!
It's hard to feel sorry for that person if they aren't going to do the maintenance. Not checking your oil can be a very expensive habit, but in the end, it's on that person.
I've been saying for years Kia Hyundai use poor cheap wire harnesses which turn into electrical problems on the vehicles & now fires, I had a 16 Sorento what a nightmare almost everything broke electrical issues up the a** battery continually dying, moon roof wouldn't close just a disaster, they entice with the designs of the car but reliability eventually catches up to you... I remember Hyundai back in the 80s Pony Stellar were also disasters.
Many years ago while working as a tech at a local Hyundai dealer I had a customer bring in a 2000's sonata. (Can't remember the year) anyways for the most part it was really clean with high mileage. Customer made a comment about an oil change so I figured this was gonna be easy. Well apparently at 90,000 miles or so, this was her time coming in for an oil change. I checked the dipstick and yup it was dry. I tried telling the service manager that we shouldn't touch the car, but I was ignored. Put the car in the air, removed the drain plug and it was pretty much chunks and metal shavings coming out with pitch black sludge that was remnants of oil. The service manager wanted me to perform 2 oil changes on that car in "hopes" it would fix it. That's not how oil changes work. I felt bad for the customer, but also annoyed that they brought this on themselves. And pissed at the stupidity of the service manager. I didn't stay long after that.
Have a 2015 sonata with the 2.4l engine. With meticulous maintenance. At just 116k miles the engine randomly started misfiring and the check engine light came on while driving down the highway. After limping it home I got the car scanned and it showed a misfire in the 3rd cylinder. After attempting small fixes like spark plugs and plug wires I decided to take it to Long Hyundai, this was my second mistake aside from buying a junk Hyundai in the first place. I stopped taking our car there for oil changes initially because I found an oil filter I had changed the last time still on the car after I paid them for an oil and filter change. With the car at Long, Chris from service stated it had no compression in the 3rd cylinder and it needed head work ($5300), but was pushed to do an engine replacement which was quoted to me at $7-8k, that I would be responsible for. After trying and getting no real diagnosis on the actual problem and a very difficult time trying to communicate with the service department, I picked the car up and coughed up the $200 “diagnostic” fee for nothing. Once I picked up the car I finally got the service report and the diagnosis was “blown head gasket.” I did not have a single symptom of a blown head gasket- no coolant in the oil, no overheating, no smoke out of the exhaust, coolant was clean in the over flow tank with no bubbling. I immediately drove to S&S Auto for a second opinion and they quickly found metal material in my oil and no symptoms of a head gasket issue. Long either completely missed this or did not want to tell me. I personally saw the shavings in the oil when I picked it up from S&S. They advised me about the warranty campaign Hyundai has on the 2.4liter engines and they didn’t charge me anything for the diagnostics. After doing my own research I decided to take it back to a dealership to have them handle the situation. I called the service director-John- at Long Hyundai to explain the situation and told him I was taking the car to a different Hyundai service center to reassess. He did not care that I was taking it to another dealership after Long has misdiagnosed the issue. John just told me, “Well let me know what they find.” (Tried getting a hold of him multiple times since and have never gotten a call back) After moving the car to a third shop, this time Mnt View Hyundai, which is about an hour from my house, I talked to Brian about what was going on and he stated they have been cleaning up a lot of issues from Long. After he had the car for a couple of days he stated he had found the metal shavings in the oil and that the car was misfiring and it should be taken care of under Hyundai’s warranty campaign 953 for excessive bearing wear on the crank. He went back and forth with Hyundai Motors America and I had to give them all my receipts for the oil changes I had done and they stated that my issue was not covered under warranty since my engine wasn’t knocking or locked up yet (basically because it hadn’t left me stranded on the side of the road), but that they would cover 85% of the replaced engine. After fighting for another week and hours on the phone with Hyundai’s warranty departments and Hyundai customer care with no resolve, I had agreed to cover the 15% that Hyundai wouldn’t cover. I was still mad they wouldn’t cover 100% from their own warranty, but it was better knowing Long was going to charge me $7-8k. Brian helped me get a rental car covered from Hyundai since some of the items were on back order. I was very grateful for that since I hadn’t had the car for two weeks at this point. A couple weeks later Brian called me and stated the car should be ready in a day or two and suggested random replacements, like air filters and brakes (all I take care of myself and have receipts on the last time I changed them) I picked up the car and paid my 15% of the cost which ended up being $828. I told him I wanted a test drive, no offense to him or the dealership, but I can’t trust anyone. Upon entering the vehicle I noticed the abs light and traction light on and the blind spot detection wasn’t working. I took it for a drive and went back and talked to Brian about that, stating there was no issue with this when I brought it. He had a tech sheet stating they ran the code when they got the car and it was on. I asked why it was never brought up to me while the car was in his shop for almost 3 weeks. He stated the tech ran some tests and stated it was operating properly and didn’t want to sell me a part I didn’t need. I stated having the abs and traction light on could be dangerous and could malfunction and he stated “it won’t lock up” and “it’s fine”. However, he did offer to fix the issue for free labor and I pay for the part, which was $360. I told him I wasn’t giving Hyundai any more money and drove my car home with all three of those lights on my dash. I am glad the car has a new engine and Brian did help me out with a lot of things, but there are still issues that should have been taken care of that just weren’t. The last month with the car and dealing with all of Hyundai has been beyond frustrating and I now have a car I don’t trust or feel safe in. They have definitely lost me and my family as customers and I hope anyone reading this will think twice before buying anything made by Hyundai.
Toyota is similar. They don't issue warranty enhancements for known problems... and it took six attempts to get a defective CV axle replaced under warranty in a Prius Prime... that had a cancelled TSB about the issue.
This is why the traditional automaker and dealership model is doomed to fail. Nobody wants to deal with this. I have had a direct sale EV(Tesla) for 5 years and service has been awesome. I had one issue which was common. Squeaking upper control arms. They replaced them in my driveway, charged me $120 for parts and $0 for labor, out of warranty. The 30 seconds I spent on the app creating the appointment was the entirety of time I spent dealing with it. Car Wizard is exactly right on his point about why people will switch to EV’s. We just want to get in and drive.
You just had a bad experience. That doesn’t represent all Hyundai dealers or vehicles. I have a Hyundai for 6 years now and it still runs like a charm. Yes, I’ve taken it in for its recalls and updates and have definitely kept up with oil changes and minimal maintenance. But in the 6 years I’ve had it, it’s given me almost no issue.
@@leonxl well it was bad enough for me to have the personal opinion that their cars, and Hyundai are trash. Seen many other stories similar to mine as well. Best of luck with your Hyundai.
Honda was super helpful when a transmission on our pilot went bad at 102k, even though it was past warranty they offered no prompting from me to cover the part if I paid for labor. VW told me to screw my self in the same situation
@@jciarkowski3109 I'm saying I'm not sure if people who scrape their windshields with wipers off can be trusted to change the oil, or if the engines such as the one used in this car are just bad ticking time bombs
@@Radi0he4d1 They're actually that bad. They are known for seizing up and sometimes even catching fire, regardless of how well the oil was topped off. I always get a laugh when people say these are great cars as if they never heard of this issue before.
I am Korean. I expected an American car mechanic to talk about Korean car engines someday. It was your video today, and my prediction was right. In fact, the issue of modern direct injection engines in Korea is quite old. Past MPi engines still have great durability. As a Korean, the fact that Korean cars are often mentioned by Americans. I feel quite happy, but I feel bitter about many bad issues. I feel that. Thank you for the video.
I remember Hyundai in 2000s; their engines were very reliable. My father owned an elantra with over 500,000 km on the original engine and gearbox. It's sad to see how Hyundai engines have declined since.
@@anasevi9456 Americans love Korean food and technology. We also love your cars, but they are having problems right now. And many even like your music!
Some of Hyundai's higher-end products have a much better reputation now, starting with the 2009 Genesis onwards. They're basically seen as "the new Lexus."
My oldest sister did this with the car our parents bought her. She never even checked the oil and ran it till it died. Her friends ended up putting a junk yard engine in it.
buddy of mine got a Hyundai suv check oil and change oil every 3 -5000 miles. start burning OIL almost immediately. the engine lock up on highway almost killing him at 50k.
@@kuyre2239 I'd never buy a Hyundai, they have known bad engines. My oldest sister bought an Excel when Hyundai first came to the USA. When she let me drive it, I couldn't believe how bad it was.
My daughter is going through this right now. The oil was low but the dealer couldn’t say anything because they had just changed it. There is a recall of sorts. You have to jump through their hoops to get anything done. 08/15/24--Hyundai replaced my daughters’ motor, at no cost.
I have this same car only with the 2.0T. I think you're spot on with the oil change interval point. Hyundai says you can go 7500 miles in between oil changes which is way to long IMO. I've changed the oil every 3k in mine since the car was new, and check it frequently. At 100k miles, it does not burn any oil. If I was the customer I wouldn't give up fighting just yet. I've seen several people on the sonata Facebook group that I'm in get told no several times, but finally get it approved after a battle. These engines are junk and Hyundai/Kia know they're junk. Unless they just flat out never changed the oil, hyundai should cover it under the campaign. Id fight them tooth and nail. This is exactly why I've always had my service done at the dealer, and keep all the records so they can't pull this BS if the engine blows up. I think with proper maintenance these engines can be decent. But couple 7500 mile oil changes, which probably turns into 8500 mile oil changes because they're "a little late", and never checking the oil, and these engines are a recipe for disaster.
Strangely enough I also own a 2015 2.0t, oil changes every 3-5k, oem oil filters, topped up my oil as needed, and it STILL spun a bearing at 98k literally a couple weeks ago. I was recently just approved a "new" engine, turbo, and intake manifold under the lifetime warranty due to huge settlement over these engines. Covers my ass about 10k+ dollars! Unfortunately the impending doom these engines have is inevitable, especially the ones that come from the Alabama factory. Even the 2017 sonata 2.4L i had before this only lasted about 120k miles. Hopefully yours does last a lifetime though. Good luck!
@NLOE ya I think it's hit or miss. That's why I've got everything documented though from the cars service history. So if it does blow, it definitely wont be from lack of oil, and they wont be getting out of replacing it under the campaign either. My goal is 150k. At that point, I'll be ready to trade it off anyway.
A 7,500 mile oil change on a Hyundai turbo GDI engine is crazy. I sent several oil samples to Blackstone-Labs from my 2017 Hyundai Tucson with the 1.6L T-GDI engine, and it failed all of them for fuel contamination in the oil. MY car has 32,000 miles on it. The first sample I sent in had 6% fuel contamination after 3,600 miles. That means 6% of my oil is actually gasoline and not oil. The limit is 2%. Any more than that, and the oil can't protect the engine from wear. The lab said "1,200 mile oil changes and go fix your car" I did a second oil change and had the same results. The dealer replaced the high pressure fuel pump under warranty. I did a couple more oil changes and now it's fixed. I got 1.8% fuel contamination after 2,600 miles. That means I can do 3,000 mile oil changes, just barely. Any more than that and I risk damaging the engine. My friend has a 1998 Toyota Tacoma with 250K miles and sent his oil in after 6,000 miles. He has ZERO fuel in his oil. Also, he doesn't have GDI. Is it a coincidence? I think not.
I have a 13 2.0t limited. I keep oil changes regular and it uses just a bit, maybe a quart between changes at 5k. But I know the turbo can cause that a bit. I got the car 4 years ago with 57k on the odometer, it has 101k on it now. Runs well on the road, mpg in town isn't great but I expected that. I know the dealer told me, when I went in for a recall, that there is now a lifetime wty on the long block. I have actually been happy with the performance and the features, so I will keep driving it and if it locks up I will get the engine replaced. I am also using LiquiMoly 5w-40 in it now instead of the 5w-20 or 30 the dealer would put in there.
@@LabCoatPaul I agree. I think the actual reccomendation on the turbo models by hyundai is 5k not 7500. But still I'm doing mine at 3k. Oil is cheap engines aren't. I still think 7500 miles in any GDI is to long. Regardless of if it's a turbo or not.
Agreed, not trying to be unprofessional or mean to the owners, but while the motor in this car isnt the best, this was not the manufacturers fault. This was the irresponsible owner/drivers fault.
@@joeydeemendoza there is a current massive recall on Hyundai for faulty engines. There is even a live class action lawsuit. There's a real problem with Hyundai engine knocking. You just need to do a search on youtube for Hyundai engine knock and there are at least more than 30 videos in there.
Not very much about maintenance they are built very poor. I see vehicles with 40k miles and already consuming oil. Kia/hyndai engines are horrible, even if you replace your oil every month.
Their newer engines must be like this, I drive an i30 1.4 N/A (I think that s the Elantra in America) and I hit the redline everytime I drive it. Close to 100k miles, doesn't burn a drop of oil and it runs like new, though I change the oil every 5k miles or so. If it's true, it's really sad, the appeal for a Hyundai for me was their rock solid reliability...
2015 Sonata that we got my daughter had the same issue. The engine is notorious for burning oil. Thankfully the dealership we bought it from had a free engine/drivetrain for life policy and replaced it for free.
But if they don't fix the problem in the new engine, it would need replacing again. Even when it's free, it's always a hassle to go to the dealership for the same thing, over and over and over. Still a waste of time and effort.
Hi Wizard, I had a 2017 Hyundai Elantra purchased new from the dealership. They offered $20 oil changes to their buyers, so I changed the oil religiously at the dealership. At 110,000 miles the engine went. Because of my stellar maintenance record, they supplied me with a new engine for free, despite that the 100,000-mile warranty had expired. I paid labor of maybe $2,000 and was glad to do so. The new engine lasted a year before it went. This time they offered to furnish a used engine with 40,000 miles, again with me paying the labor. I said okay. But after waiting a month for the engine to come in, I went ahead and bought a Honda Civic. I needed to get to work each day, and renting a car indefinitely was like lighting money on fire. The Honda dealership (Honda of Westport, CT) sells all of its Hondas with a lifetime warranty on the complete drive train. Problem solved for good. I let Hyundai install the used engine and then I sold that car (with full disclosure). Never again will I buy a Hyundai.
This guy got toasted by 2 people for taking advantage of dealer $20 oil change, enough already! Even if he/she did it themselves, the first motor would probably have blown, and dealer wouldn't have given them anything!!!
Such a shame that for a few years Hyundai and Kia were looking so promising, offering seemingly decent cars at an affordable price. Then those cars began to age, and we saw just how unreliable and disposable they really were, specifically the engine's. Every day there's a new recall. Then the whole USB thefts put the nail in the coffin. It's a shame, I was really rooting for them and personally love the Genesis lineup.
I did a lot of research for a Subaru oil control plate I designed and found out some interesting information. On a typical 3.0L V6 with an oil capacity of 5 quarts, there were almost 2.5 quarts of oil circulating in the engine and about 2.5 quarts in the oil pan. Now think about letting your car get just 2 quarts low. You may have as little as a half quart in the pan on level ground or zero lateral and zero horizontal G driving. Now throw in acceleration, braking and turning and I guarantee that oil pickup is sucking air a good percentage of the time. When my cars are newer I change the oil and filter every 5000 miles because it's easy to remember by just looking at the odometer. As they get past 100,000 miles, I go to 3000 miles for the oil only and change the filter every other time. It's never let me down in 50 years of driving and maintaining cars.
I have an 03 boxster S. I change the oil every 6 months regardless of mileage. I have changed it while only driving 500 miles at one point. An oil change is way cheaper than an engine, and I have not yet done the IMS, so I am spooked about that.
Just because a car is low on oil doesn't equate to lack of checking. It could be low due to many factors. I bought a car in Oregon. Checked fluids and drove it home. By the time I got it home it didn't register oil on the dipstick. Car drove perfectly fine! No warning lights. Nothing.. I was beyond impressed it survived without issues. I've since owned 14 of them. 98-2008 Crown Victoria's.
To be fair every dealership is horrible... I don't buy Ford or Chevy but I for better for worse have driven a different brand car for each of my purchases and I would say Acura is one of the better experiences. But that being said a dealership is a dealership they always try to nickel and dime even Toyota dealerships..... Hyundai and Kia aren't great either but it helps if you're in an area that has at least two or three competing dealerships because then if there's more than one place you can buy the same brand car within a 30 mi radius they have less gumption to be dick heads
In my area the Gm and Ford dealerships are better Would never buy or have my vehicle serviced at the dodge dealership. Which is unfortunate because I love Chrysler cars.
Wizard, That is some good and honest advice for your customer. I did a rebuild on one of those junk GM 3.6 motors for a family member. I am a pro mechanic and I used the highest quality parts I could get. The motor took a crap about 8 mo. later. Like you said some motors aren't worth rebuilding. I did the labor work for free yet I still feel bad about it.😔
My mom just traded her 2017 Santa Fe sport because it burned 2 Quarts every 1.5k miles. Only had 80k miles. It was ridiculous. She got a 2019 rav 4 with 17k miles. I’m happy she listened to me and got a Toyota.
I maintain a 2014 Acadia with the 3.6. It currently has 207k on it. It does burn oil, 1 qt every 1500 miles, but keep it topped off and going. I have seen plenty of 3.6l with 200k+. The earlier ones were bad with timing chains, but the 2012 or so + that was resolved.
My wife’s 2011 sonata has 250k miles on it and still runs quiet. The only thing done to the engine was changing the timing chain and adjuster as a precaution at 150k which I did myself. Other than that, I change the ATF every 30k, the oil every 3000 miles and the coolant every three years along with flushing the brake fluid.
One thing you may have forgotten to mention is how many manufacturers are doing away with actual dipsticks. It makes it even more unlikely people will check the oil unless they get a warning light.
Because 90% of people don’t check the dipstick. If there’s no dipstick then there is a way to check level in infotainment screen. Sensors are designed to fail in “low oil” mode. I think it’s a great idea for your average person. Most engines have an aftermarket option for a dipstick tube. All comes down to basic maintenance
My winter car is an 2006 4runner and it feels and looks practically brand new. Toyota is conservative in implementing new features and pays close attention to components. It really pays off for the consumer. I expect to have it a long time.
You can check the level on the screen if not manually. She’s obviously not changed the oil ever. Even if you don’t check it between services say yearly or 8k it wouldn’t use that much! It would’ve been smoking if it was burning oil. Her not maintaining it caused this. Was she never taught you have to service them?
@@martincassels7995 Her thinking was “if the car runs, I’m not gonna spend a cent on it.” Makes it fun looking for a used car when people ruin them with their cheap-assery.
You're the best Wizard. My family had this happen on an 04 Concorde with under 50k miles due to the infamous 2.7l V6 engine sludging issues and they also denied our recall because it was not just slightly low on oil but we didn't keep oil change reciepts. Hope life works out for your customer and her granddaughter, that really sucks to hear their situation
Those infamous Chrysler 2.7L V6 "engine sludging" issues were ultimately caused by the poorly designed internal water pumps that would leak and contaminate the oil. That problem was largely misdiagnosed for years.
I was fortunate to get free engine short block from the dealership after the 1st recall letter went out. My 2012 sonata limited is still running at 196,000 miles, although it's starting to show it's age because it's eating more oil nowadays. The time and effort you put into making this video is truly encouraging and you must have a heart of gold! I was crying oil 😢 at the emotional delivery of your sad story. Thanks for sharing and God bless. 🙏
My brother did that to a car back in the 90s. Locked up the engine in the middle of the intersection. He said he didn't know cars needed oil. Heared the same thing a few years ago from my girlfriend's little brother. People just don't know and it's a hard lesson.
@@AbcAbc-sp1od I know someone’s gonna go snowflake and get offended but this is true. Men should know cars. It doesn’t have to be in-depth knowledge but at least basic knowledge like how to change a tire, when was the last oil change, brake pads etc. Even the most uninterested person I knew towards cars still knew the basics of how a engine worked. Needs oil, needs gas, needs air.
@@AbcAbc-sp1od It’s not that they should know cars, it’s a responsibility for any car owner to know some basic things about how cars work. It’s more likely that growing up, they had no one in the family that was interested in maintaining cars, so in turn the rest of the offspring wouldn’t care either.
@@Sodapopper100 I have a few friends that are school bus drivers. And as part of their training they are taught how to do a basic check up like checking the oil.
My wife’s Hyundai had the same issue, but the dealer had documents showing the car had been serviced there, so they honored the engine recall and installed a brand new engine for her at no charge.
My wife has a 2015 Kia Sorento, fought with Kia about burning oil, after going through there testing for months, they finally replaced the motor. They STINK…
I had one of the early production 2011 Sonata's, drove it regularly and it had 180k+ on the odometer when I traded it in after 8 years of service. Outside of the normal servicing of fluids, brakes, ect. And the recalls, it was very reliable and never was in the shop for more than 24hrs for a service.
I had exactly the same situation with a 2014 Hyundai Tucson. And since I knew nothing about mechanics and I never checked the engine oil. I learned from the difficult situation. Now I attend A 2018 Hyundai sant a fe sport already has 110,000 miles. And I tell you that since I bought it with 10,000 miles on it, I learned to change the oil every 3,000 miles, full synthetic. And I have the oil level checked every 700 miles. Since then I have not had any mechanical problems. I recently changed the transmission oil and everything is going very well. Thank you for bringing up this type of content, it is very useful for the general public.
I check my oil (almost) every time I fuel up. Gets me strange looks at the gas station sometimes. (Especially the time the stupid plastic handle of the dipstick broke off and I had to crawl under the car to get it.) But then everyone is surprised when they learn the car has over 260,000 miles on it. Take care of your investment, and it SHOULD take care of you.
So sad. I'm mechanic myself, and You are right car wizard, life just gets in the way just as it has for me. I let my trucks oil go longer than normal and it was a little low and also black. (I never do that) but with life's normal problems and for me, I go to doctors often due to my health, and I'm your age, and i tell you, it is tough to keep up with everything. I hope the sonata owners find another car and check the oil in it! 🙂 Sometimes it takes things like this to remind us to take better care of what we own.
I owned a 2016 Sonata with this same Theta II (2.4L 4 cyl) and had the dealership handle all the maintenance, and every oil change was documented. Started having oil consumption issues around 120K miles, anf had the motor replaced at 137K. All was well...until the transmission died at 191K.
The 2016 Sonata was the first car I looked at when I was car shopping back in 2016. I liked the specs but when I went to test drive I thought it was too big for what I needed then. I am glad I did more research and went with a Mazda3.
@@d.b.1008 back then when researching there was an idea that Korean cars had mostly worked out a lot of their kinks by then. I beleived it enough to consider as it was much less than a Toyota. Dug deeper, did not think the Sonata was for me, did not want to test out for myself, and found Mazda.
I personally check the fluid levels in my car at least once a week and when a big trip comes up I check them one time before I go and one time when it's time to come back. It doesn't take more than 5 minutes and you have peace of mind that something catastrophic won't happen
I generally check my oil with every fill-up. Which just about works out to your 2 weeks. I've never been low with my last three cars (all bought new), so I can see how someone might get lax... I get my oil changed about every 5000 miles. On my older cars, it was about every 3000, but my current vehicles, the oil never really looks dirty on the dipstick, even at 5k. I don't generally rely on time. Our main car winds up getting changed every 6 months or so, and I generally use a synthetic blend. My little sporty toy goes about a year on full synthetic. It seems to be working out for me...
I used to own Kia's until I got a job in the service department at a Kia dealership. The vehicles have too many electrical issues and cheap engines. Btw, Kia considers excessive loss of oil if it loses at least one quart of oil per thousand miles driven. If you're vehicle loses less than one quart of oil per thousand miles, Kia considers the oil loss acceptable and the engine to be good.
I used to change oil every 37.5k miles/2years, as recommended by the cars computer and the manual. Sold it running like new with 190k miles. Used 0-w40 longlife synthetic oil though. Never had to refill in between.
@@aliemreozkan (GM) Opel/Vauxhall Vectra/ Signum 2.2DTI (Diesel) from 2003. Specified with oil change of 2 years or 31k miles. I once extended this to 37k miles by my own fault. Had the car from 2005 to 2017 and drove 150k miles with like 5-6 oil changes. Oil I used was 0W40 full synthetic long life oil with GM LL specification. (recommended was 5W30 I believe) The later engines they used in that car had only 1 year and 19k intervals though. Also applied for the later Model Insignia (1.9CDTI Diesel)
I’m on my second Sonata. 254,000 miles on my 2011. Currently at 272,000 plus on my 2016. Other than tires, brake pads, oil and filters it is totally original. I hear horror stories about Hyundai’s but I’ve had great luck with them. Still runs great and gets 34 mpg.
Yo Wizard appreciate you always shooting us with the straight talk. Not many mechanics willing to tell you real info that can save you time, money , and a hassle. We appreciate it and you brother.
Nice video, but the whole video could have been done in just a few minutes. "Engine destroyed because customer ran out of oil because they never checked it. Not 1 engine manufacture would rebuild this engine because they are junk and won't touch them. Dealer had 50 of them in stock which tells me they are a problem and so even I won't rebuild it". "Moral of the story, check your oil every month" End of video :)
@@brayannexon4613 It's because nowadays they make vehicles to appeal to mainstream automotive journalists who don't give two craps about how well a vehicle holds up after even 10k miles let alone 50 or 100. If it's pretty/luxurious enough and has enough tech to make the journos go "ooh" and write a good review (which they do) Hyundai/Kia has accomplished what they set out to do.
Wizard you are absolutely right, I’ve been in almost a year and a half long fight with Hyundai corporate and a local dealership, in June of 2021 after only 11 months of ownership of a CPO 2017 Santa Fe my wife noticed that the low oil light came on, I pulled the dipstick and it was bone dry. I first called the dealership service center and they told me to add oil and bring the car in I then called the the salesman that sold me the car, he told me that it’s perfectly normal to have to add oil to your vehicle every month and that he adds oil to his bmw every month (I told him that you might want to get your car looked at because that is not normal). We started and oil consumption test and was told all I have to do is bring the car back 3 more times at 1,000 mile intervals, soon after that the dealership started playing games telling me I had to bring the car in additional times and also the tech needed to complete a “cylinder clean out” at $200 to me even though the car is covered under a 60,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty and a 100000 power train warranty from Hyundai, we do the service and leave the car with them since they said it should be very quick to either get the approval or disapproval for the repair. The car sat for a month and a half at the dealer with us calling each week for an update, finally we call corporate to find out they have no record of a warranty repair being submitted. We come to find out that they messed up the process somewhere along the line and we are now told that we have to start this process from the beginning and there is no way around it. So with no other choices we did the entire process again and finally in December of 2022 we had a “reconditioned” long block put in. I can tell you for sure that I would never want to buy another Hyundai product again, the dealership shops do not care and corporate does not care, the 2.4 liter 4 cylinder has a serious problem that they do not want to acknowledge and will try to drag the process out until you are at the point of taking a loss on the car. I was actually told by the shop manager (with a smile on his face) if I had let the engine seize up I wouldn’t have to go through all of these problems and that they would just replace it. You need to put this on your list of vehicles to avoid this and the Santa Fe with the same engine
I’m glad to hear that you will never buy another Hyundai/Kia product again. Tell all your friends and family as well. 8.5 million people are in your same situation due to all their engine recalls.
My Sonata Hybrid seized and thank G-d Hyundai covered the replacement of the engine. But before it seized majorly it just died while I was driving one day after the first year I bought it new. When I took it to get looked at by the Hyundai shop they could not give me a clear reason for why it died only some kind of water hose problem. I had never had issues with any other kind of car like I did with the Hyundai and I've driven Volkswagon, Ford and Smart car. Thankfully, the private shop I originally took it to questioned why a less then 4 year new car was having engine problems. I agreed. I got rid of the lemon.
This - THIS, RIGHT HERE! IS the problem. There is no such thing as a "low oil light" on MOST cars, and SO MANY people think that's what the light is telling them! The light is basically telling you "ZERO oil pressure, STOP ENGINE NOW!!" This has happened to people I know "Oh, the oil is low, I'll just remember to get it filled up as soon as I get a chance," but that's NOT what it means at all! Sorry if I misunderstood your specific example, and I don't mean to jump on your post, but this is BASIC stuff EVERYONE should know!
My 2012 engine locked up. My local dealer replaced the engine, starter, carburate and radiator with no issue/free. But now I have electrical issues. Radio don't work and break light stays on, draining the battery.
My dear old dad used to tell me the oil is the cheapest way to protect your engine and always had me check it ..That's a sad story on that Sonata ....But I agree with your assessment.💯
My family had 2 Sonatas, both same model as the one in the video. Both ran perfectly and drove so smooth. The only problem was an occasional infotainment problem with the Bluetooth. It’s such a shame that these are apparently problematic but I’m glad our experience with these was nice
The overall quality control on Hyundais and Kias is very poor. Yes, some people have good experiences, but a lot don’t. There’s a reason you pay more for a Toyota or Honda.
@@mplslawnguy3389 very true. We’ve had several JDM brands and had pleasant experiences for the most part, Nissan being the best overall for us if you can believe that
My 17 year old nephew got his learner’s permit to drive and soon will be shopping for his first car. Extremely intelligent kid but has never turned or held a wrench and hates to get his hands dirty. His dad is the same way and his stepdad pays people to do everything on his and my sister’s cars. I hope someone other than me shows the kid how to do basic car maintenance or handle emergency situations in a pinch. I’d love for him to be able to change his own oil or at least check it along with tire pressure, fluid levels etc. like my dad showed me how to do as we bonded 50+ years ago. The boy is a master at video games, social media, schoolwork etc. Unfortunately, I think we’re raising a generation of kids these days without mechanical or practical skills and it’s sad. Thank you Wizard for helping these customers honestly and for not charging them a dime to let them know this car is totaled and not mocking or bashing them for doing it. We don’t know their life situation or level of skill. Hopefully they can come up with a solution at this point (perhaps sell the car for parts?)
One of the most sensible & fundamental video I have ever seen regarding Car ownership. I am from India and here, the awareness level of Car owners is even lower. They’ll just drive n drive for as long as the Car doesn’t cough then just become a sheep & drag their car to the mechanic who’ll either rip them off by doing cheap quality work or charge exorbitantly. Basic car care is extremely easy & accessible which can save a lot of money & trouble for the owners. Thanks for posting this video, please keep going with such videos that help in educating Car owners about the basics.
12:42 this is the same problem with electronics repair. Most of the times it’s not repairable, and even if it is repairable, the parts cost will essentially end up costing as much as a good used unit, if not more
Hey wizard, you saved me from a bad purchase on the range rover sport, thanks brother. The sonata is spot on I had 2012 sx optima with 79000 miles. And it drove great the first 5 miles from the dealership driveline. But when I got it home the engine had a light knock. Next day took it to the dealer repair. They said it was the gdi pump.........ok now I sold cars for Kia few years before. So that was b.s. anyway took it home and it drove normal. When I wanted to take my daughters out for ice cream. Not 3 miles from the house the engine knocked, squeeked and sized on i4 in Orlando. Me , wife and 3 girls on a interstate with no emergency lane. They are all garbage engines. It's like mass produced crap to keep supply up when they inevitably fail. Great story keep em comin 👏 👌
i had a similar problem but i skipped only one oil change. i checked it after and the dipstick was dry. i obviously added oil and took it to get an oil change as my dealer said they couldn’t have time for an appointment. I went through the process of them running tests and days without a car, all for them to say i need a 500 cleaning that would or wouldn’t fix it. I sold it for a decent price before i had to go through hyundais horrible excessive oil consumption tests. if you have a similar problem, sell it before the engine starts knocking or blows up.
I had this happen to my 2015 Kia Soul, luckily I did take it to my dealer for oil changes as per manufacturer instructions, and after dropping it off at dealership service department they finally replaced part of the engine as I did take it in for the recall! Since the dealership took 5 months to finally honor the warranty, I already bought a Honda to replace it. Sold that Kia a month after I got it back
How long did it take them to do the diagnostic? After a month they're supposed to offer you a free loaner car for you to drive while the car awaits the diagnostic. It took my Hyundai dealership three months to do my diagnostic but they loaned me a car for free after the first month.
I hope you didn't buy a Honda with the 1.5t engine. Those have issues with dumping gas into the oil and blowing the head gasket prematurely. Hondas in general have been having problems with AC systems failing annually as well. Probably should have bought another Hyundai for the much better warranty.
I've been fighting with Kia for over a year with a transmission issue under warranty. I have a claim number with corporate. So far 2 trannys, a ECM, lots of adjustments and hocus pocus and it STILL has the same problem. Corporate refuses to return my 5 ( so far) phone calls. REALLY disappointed with a company that by all appearances was one of the better ones. Hey, at least I get a loaner car while they play with it !
My wife had a ‘10 Kia forte with the 2.4 and it spun a main bearing at 107k. Dealer gave me similar quotes on short and long blocks. I ended up sticking a used motor with 65k in it for $850 and had it up and running in under 12 hours. We traded it in a couple months later on a new car for her.
Hello Car Wizard, firstly, let me say that I am very grateful for what you do here, smiles for many miles indeed. I just got my 2015 Hyundai Sonata back from the dealer, after getting the engine replaced at no fee, other than the two serpentine belts that were due. The motor just stopped after turning onto the street I live on, coasted as far as possible, made it onto a side street, and later used it as a leg press machine alternative, pushing it up the incline to get it in to a place where the road was flat. And it began to collect parking tickets as options were considered. The battery wouldn't take a charge, ....so when Hyundai was called, it was after the mechanic I had it towed to told me the motor was gone. Mine is in great shape, at least, this is what every single person that has been inside it tells me. The engine is a flawed design, whether or not the flaw was due to many assumptions being made in its design, which would be in line with how Hyundai began, but you are fully on point with your decision. It wasn't a car I would have chosen on my own, neither was that rather generic 2014 Jetta I had for a year. If you hear about the equivalent of a nuclear level industry shaking event happening northeast of you.....bigger than 2008, in the insurance industry....that would be me.
Did you have the 2.4L or 2.0T? I have a 2.0T from the same year and this is very concerning. I got the Service Campaign 953 so I at least qualify for the lifetime warranty, still pretty concerning.
I had an engine replaced by Hyundai on an old sonata. The deal was the car had to "die" and they would check the" codes". I received a replacement engine and intake manifold with a lot of persistence.
My sister had this happen to her on the highway. The engine died and was leaking oil, but her husband is a mechanic and make sure that thing is serviced way before it needs to be and that I think saved her in the end, allowing her to get a free brand new engine in a 10 year old car
Common problem with Hyundai and Kia with the blown engines. I had to replace my engine and luckily it was covered by the recall. Changed oil regularly, checked it every Saturday morning, and the engine still went. The 2.0 liter turbo and the 2.4 are just bad engines. Hopefully, Hyundai and Kia will remedy this issue.
I wouldn't hold my breath. They're still crapping out cars that blow engines early and they've known about the issue for a decade. They know what they're doing. If they can cheap out on manufacturing costs, and move enough volume, they can save money in the long run even with all the recalls and their 100k powertrain warranty. Techs only get paid 6 hours for replacing these engines and they're cheaply made so they can afford to throw you a couple new engines until your warranty runs out. You still paid upwards of 20k for the car that cost a fraction of that to slap together.
The sad thing about Hyundai is they not built to last my mom bought a 2011 brand new and ended up getting rid of it because of too many issues then she ended up getting a 2015 which only lasted her eight years then the motor crapped out It’s amazing that these cars are still being sold with all the problems they have.
My buddy has this exact car, same year, same engine. It has around 110k miles and it's been very good to him so far, but he's good at keeping up with maintenance. I actually changed the spark plugs in it for him last year, it was super easy to do.
Just tell him to watch his oil usage, it starts fast and gets bad quick. Maintenance helps, but they still suck. If it's ok now it'll probably be using a lot of oil near 150k, where you need to add some or else it gets dangerous.
Part of the problem is that cars today are so much more reliable than they were fifteen or twenty years ago. Most drivers just see them as something that just works, and routine maintenance gets left behind.
Also that on never cars, there's often not even a physical dip-stick for the engine or gearbox oil anymore and you need to go to the dealership and have them do it and reset the car ECU..
Essentially the work to replace the engine is much more then what the car is worth. It’s why whenever I change the oil in customers’ cars at work I set any built in reminders to 5,000 miles. And usually my own method (and the one I recommend to customers at work) is check your oil (and any other accessible fluids like power steering or Transmission fluid) every time when you refuel; they have paper towels with the windshield squeegee just for that purpose!
Yeah I think the most I’ve changed it on a a hyundai palisade was 5,000 and that was us having to go over due to appointments I do try to stick to 3-4,000 max. But the v6 from hyundai is a completely polar opposite from that theta 2 4 cylinder crap.
The Chevrolet Equinox and GMC Terrain is the same way. Especially the 2.4 liter engine. Also the Chevrolet Cruze with the 1.4 turbo is the same exact way.
@@dantonliam like the Wizard mentioned, he doesn’t want the risk of installing a used engine, only for the NEW engine to shit the bed in the EXACT same way like the old engine did!
5000 mile reminder may be a bit too long of an interval. People don't just rush in for an oil change as soon as it alerts. They'll probably go for another 1000 miles after that before they actually bring it in.
I had an absolutely gorgeous red 2016 Hyundai sonata. Ran flawlessly with no problems. However because of the theta issues that I heard so much about, and the car was prone to be installing because of the social media foolishness. I finally sold it sadly last week. I miss that car but replaced it with a 2020 Honda Accord. Which immediately made me happy after it got 46 mi to the gallon compared to the sonata getting 33 milesvt9 the gallon.
In the UK when taking your driving test you will be asked the following, As part of your driving test you will be asked to explain how you would perform under the bonnet technical checks for oil, coolant, windscreen washer fluid and brake fluid. You will be asked to open the bonnet and show where you would check for each. So there is hope for the next generation of drivers.
Used to be pretty common that every time you fill up the gas tank, you check the oil while the pump is running. I see barely anyone doing that anymore. That one simple habit could easily prevent situations like this. (Incidentally, this is a good argument for full-service gas stations to make a comeback; the attendant checks that stuff for you including topping off the washer fluid...)
Equality! 🙂 There are articles about it in the the various MSM Rags that a certain section of the public would blame full service attendance for messing up their vehicle and then gas stations were held viable since they opened up the hood
@@MickeyMishra That plus components of gasoline are carcinogenic. It's not much of a problem with the exposure you get occasionally fueling your vehicle, but if you are exposed to it all day every day, it can be a problem.
Years ago I had a chance to buy a Hyundai with just over 100,000 miles on it and the body was nearly perfect. The interior was super clean, and all it needed was a new engine. I called a buddy who owned a junk yard to price another engine. He said that is the problem. He had several really nice Hyundai, Cars, Vans, and SUVs. They all had bad engines.
@@hazelwood55 I was just thinking of the same thing. It would just require more work like swapping the engine harness and ECU to make it all work. But the main thing to figure out would be in finding the ideal engine that fits and lines up with the stock engine mounts with minimal modifications.
Yeah, a used Hyundai engine is $6k and a used Camry engine is $1,500. with a lot less miles. Why? Because there are more Camry wrecks than blown engines. Hyundai has more blown engines than they can replace.
I guess I am the sole person ALIVE in this country that has had 4 (yes FOUR) Korean cars in the last 20 YEARS (Hyundai Elantra, Kia Soul+, Kia Forte, and Hyundai Kona) - stretching from 2002 until now - WITH ZERO (0) PROBLEMS / Issues. Each car I bought new - drove over 120K (except for the '21 Kona that we still own with 37K on the odometer) - the latter 3 cars each had 1 (one) car battery, one (1) set of tires and scheduled maintenance by the book. IN 20 YEARS I HAVE HAD NO ISSUES WHATSOEVER - AT ALL. Oh, I forgot to mention, I did have to replace a rear turn signal bulb on the Forte - that set me back $1.50.
When I first started driving, I got into the habit of checking the oil and coolant level (if there's a see-through bottle) every time I put gas in the vehicle. Since I've owned a number of vehicles that burned oil, I'm sure that simple habit has saved me several engines.
That was the standard even three decades ago, if you got gas. the jockey would ask if you want oil fluid check, since all the stations are self serve now every driver should check themselves when they fill up.
@@shaunnesbit1698 Just follow what the owner's manual says. Honda owner manuals say to check the oil level when warm, by waiting a few minutes after shutting the engine off. So in Honda's case, it should be at the top of the dipstick even with the rest of the oil up in the engine, as obviously that is how the engine operates when it's running.
I suggest you check with another dealership to see if they'll file warranty for you. I had the same issue on a 2015 Sonata SE mode I bougth at 44k miles. I never serviced it at the dealership. Noticed that I had to keep adding oil and took it to the dealer at 125k miles. They did an oil change, asked me to take it to them every 1k miles to check the level. After the 3rd time they filed a warranty claim for me that day and it was replaced w/in a week. Oh, and no, it does not give you a low-engine oil warning when the car is burning oil. I only noticed b/c I checked it periodically but nothing ever showed up on the dash. The issue I'm having now after about 2 yrs is that I took it 1yr ago for a software update and I think it caused a computer issue. 1 out of 5-10 times I start the car and start driving the car will not accellerate and revs up a lot, then it also feels like the transmission is not getting into gear. I then just pull over, turn off the car for 5-10 seconds, restart it and it drives perfect from then on. Took it to the dealer but it didn't do the fault when they test drove it a couple of times. Any ideas what it could be? I think it might be software.
LOL! I had a Hyundai Sonata in front of me yesterday, at a traffic light, and the bumper was covered in exhaust... on acceleration, you'd swear it was a diesel! Not long for the road...
Glad you made this video i have a'13 Elantra with the ticking noise took it to dealer for a diagnostic which cost me $225 only to confirm the bearing issue. Dealer refused to replace engine. Went to Hyundai corporate and filed a claim they refused to replace it also. Only have 82,000 miles,kept up with oil changes,I'm the 2nd owner bought it with 51,000 noise didn't start until around 60,000. I noticed at the dealer crates of new engines stored also. There should be a Federal investigation into Hyundai in my opinion this problem with their engines has been going on almost 20 years yet they keep putting them in their vehicles. Subsidies for them to build new plants in the U.S should be cut off unless they refine their engine designs and overhaul their manufacturing processes. This was my first and last Hyundai/Kia product.
You really hit the nail on the head with the EV comment. Unfortunately, people are raised to not take responsibility for their actions much less their cars. What a surprise they will have when they realize EVs aren’t maintenance free either.
might be even worse. if you bought a Tesla and something's wrong and need repair. you have to take it to a Tesla dealership and a lot of people live very very far away.
EV's arent maintenance free but they are still significantly cheaper overall as far as maintenance. The only issue is that right to repair is under attack massively so its almost impossible for independent repair shops to work on them, assuming you can even find a shop with techs that even know how to work on them.
@@Ayn-Rand-Is-Dead EVs have a smaller carbon footprint over the average 200,000 mile lifespan than any gas car according to various peer reviewed studies, and thats running off coal powered planets. The only issue with EVs is that the batteries are currently set to expire in much greater numbers than our current recycling facilities can handle. Most of the material in the battery can be reused or the whole battery itself used for something like long term storage in solar/wind farms. How about instead of saying "Oh this will never work" we actually think about the benefits and explore options to save out planet instead of continuing to sit on our hands and do nothing?
@@adamnugent2137There aren't Tesla dealers anywhere, there authorized centers, some maybe owned by Tesla, but others are just licensed and can perform most services. In the US they are quite common since Tesla is one of the most popular brands. Some areas maybe a bit far away, but same would go for any BMW or Land Rover, which are way less popular.
I was married for 17 years. After our divorce my wife bought a brand-new Toyota Corolla. The engine locked-up solid at *30-something thousand miles* as she never did ANY maintenance, including bothering to check or change the oil. I can't blame her 100% as I'd always done the maintenance on her car(s) when we were together. We remain amicable and she said the mechanic who installed a used engine told her that her dipstick didn't show the presence of any motor oil at all!
@@tooltime9260 What's the point of *ME* blaming her? She's already learned her lesson from it. She bought the car that she THOUGHT would require the least maintenance; a bone-stock, almost zero-option Corolla. Heck, it (1998 model year) even had the old 3spd automatic and manually winding windows!
My 2013 sonata did the same thing last year, low oil, running out before my oil change, and the engine siezed on me last may. A few months after I had the dealership do an oil consumption test and tell me it was fine. At 125,000 miles hyundai ended up replacing my motor for free through the recall and paid for my rental while in the shop. Here today looking for a eps fix now 🤦♀️
I had a Hyundai with one of those engines. Mine burned crazy amounts of oil. I check my oil regularly and it was very difficult to keep it topped up and it used expensive oil too. I always made sure the oil was filled up before taking it in for service. Eventually sold it to Vroom for way more than it was worth. A guy I know at work did the dealer warranty engine replacement and didn’t get his car back for 6 months. I’d stay away from Hyundais personally. It was an ok car otherwise but that’s about it.
My 2006 blew...same reason. I hadn't been driving (wife, 2 kids did) and I just didn't follow up with them if they were actually checking the oil so I can take blame for that much. This was about 10 years ago, and I had my mechanic rebuild it (6 cylinder) for $3500 (+-). Believe it or not it's still running ... my son has it.
For a car like this, I'd put a used low mile engine in it, change the timing set to the updated components immediately. After that, keep up on maintenance, and it should be fine. No need to junk a decent car. As you said - Nobody changes the oil, or stops when the lights come on. That's the main issue, even with crappy cars. Some inherently burn oil bad, but Once a week when filling up, checking the fluids would help to save the bottom end until it's fixed.
He didnt wanna fix it and gas lit the customer then made a whole video to gaslight all of us too. There's plenty of places selling reman 2.4L engines for $4500
@@ChrisConley1 So you are saying a remanfuctured engine could have saved only $1000 off the bill, when you factor in the cost of all the labor and other parts and tax, and you think that should have made him want to spend more fixing it than it was worth?
Love your honest reviews and car repairs. I have 2022 Kia Sportage EX with a 2.4 and every time I see or hear about a engine problem with a Hyundai or Kia I almost get sick. These are not expensive cars by todays average car prices but they aren't cheap either and 25k for a car should guarantee a little reliability. I am frantic about checking/changing my oil and listening to how the car sounds. Most vehicles I've owned last 10-15 years and I'm still driving a 99 Chevy Blazer. I just hope my Kia will last half that long.
The 2.4 theta engines are notorious for consuming oil. You have to keep up with meticulous oil changes at precise intervals as well as run some type of combustion chamber cleaning atleast every 40 to 50k miles
@@JohnSmith-yv6eq lol that could help. But unfortunately these engines were designed with full synthetic in mind but were prescribed conventional by the manufacturer. Now they recommend synthetic, but a 10k service interval between oil changes is insane. Oh and if you use anything but a OEM oil filter you are guaranteed problems. Seriously. I've seen quick change mom n pop shops come and buy filters by the case to keep their customers happy and on the road
@@JohnSmith-yv6eq nope. It’s a GDI engine and doesn’t have mpi combined with it like newer versions. Which means no fuel is being sprayed on the intake valves. So they carbon up and “thrashing” won’t do it any good because the fuel isn’t being sprayed to clean them off it’s directly going into the cylinder.
People say, they dont have time to check the oil and water in the car, but they have a lot of time for Facebook and Instagram. Its a strange world now a days.
Haha, so true. Imagine a car maintenance system that wouldn't let you get on social media until you checked the fluids
My favorite is the ppl who buy new or almost new cars that cost big money then scoff at the Idea of paying for oil changes and run that shit 20k every time.
Nice cars with bald tires get me too.
A good percentage of modern cars don't even require you to open the hood to check the oil level and people still don't do it.
@@spicysnowman8886 Modern cars want you to destroy it and buy another one.
@@bsgarey in my car you can literally see an oil level readout in the gauge cluster, there's no excuse for not checking it at that point.
My niece had a Volkswagen rabbit convertible back in the early 90's that she completely ran dry of oil till the engine locked up. When I told her what was wrong with her car she said " Well i'll never buy another Volkswagen again!" I told her that the same thing would have happened if she had a Mercedes or a BMW. It's a vehicle, not a purse. It needs to be maintained!
wtf.....
That's how stereotypes stay alive.
A friends son-in-law bought a brand new Dodge with a 100% pre paid service plan. He drove it for a few years without ever getting it serviced or even checking the oil.
I have a very similar story. A couple I knew had a diesel Mazda 6. It had snowed and they needed to go to work. But instead of digging the car out of the snow, they decided to just sit in the car and redline the engine in first gear with the wheels spinning, trying to get out of the snow. Needless to say that tactic didn't work and it just broke the car. They took it to a local garage and the mechanic spent weeks trying to figure it out. Ended up tearing down the engine to find they'd put so much torque back through the engine that they had bent the camshaft. The mechanic hadn't even thought that was possible.
Of course the punchline is that they said they'd never buy another Mazda again due to it being unreliable...
As an aside, the same guy from the couple once tried to force me to put boiling water on my windscreen to melt ice. I kept politely declining his offer until I just had to walk away...
Preach 💯💪🏼
When you're taking your drivers licence in Sweden there's a "garage lesson" where you learn to check the fluids (oil, brake, washer, coolant) and other essentials.
That's a really good idea, I have a lot more respect for the Swedes when you refused to lockdown! Also SAY NO to the 15 min cities!
Man the US has really gotta stop paying for yalls defense budget 🤣
@@nathanielbailey108 Well, seeing that you haven't spent a cent to the Swedish defence budget yet just go ahead.
@@darkiee69 if we weren't so damn caught up in being the world's police, other countries would probably be inclined to put more towards defense. We bolster our allies defenses simply by being allied, but it's the American tax payers who pay for it.
@@spicysnowman8886 Please read a bit on Swedish defense industry, they're doing nice things with the Swedish tax payers money. But on another note, yeah, I think Finnish drivers license also gives the basics on maintenance, I drive a Swedish car so I need not worry.
My wife and I bought a 2016 Hyundai Sonata for our youngest daughter, who's in college. After driving the car just over 6 weeks, the engine locked up and put my daughter down on the highway. The oil had been changed 3489 miles previously. We had the car towed to the dealership, and after diagnosing the issue a week later, they said the engine had seized up. The car had 131,410 miles on it and before that happened, the car ran perfectly. It didn't smoke or leak any oil. So they submitted a claim to have the engine replaced, but Hyundai denied the claim. The reason they gave was because we hadn't had the KSDS software update performed, which is included in the 953 recall campaign. Honestly, at that particular time, We were unaware of any such recall or software update, and Hyundai hadn't sent us anything recommending we have it done. Had I known the significance of it, I would've made sure to have it done! After all, recalls and such are free! So the car sat at the dealership for a long time while we tried to figure which route to take. They wanted to replace the engine for $7k+, which I thought was ridiculous, since we had paid only $7k for the car to begin with. So I decided to call Hyundai's claim line and try and plead my case, hoping for some sort of sympathy or monetary relief. Once I got someone on the line and pleaded my case, the person on the phone asked me for my VIN. She then asked me why did they deny the claim and I told her it was due to not having the KSDS update. She said "Sir, your car had the update performed on Feb 9th, 2022"; your claim shouldn't have been denied. So she assigned me a case number and said someone will call me in about 3 days to further my situation. In the mean time the dealership called me and said I needed to come get the vehicle due to them running out of room for other customers. I then told them what the lady said about the update and they told me they would go double check the VIN and call me back. They called me later that day and said someone had indeed "fat- fingered" the VIN, which still pulled up a blue 2016 Hyundai Sonata that hadn't had the update performed. The service manager said they would have to resubmit the claim and call me back. The next day they called and said the claim was approved and that they were extremely sorry for the 3 month long mix up, and that they would place our vehicle at the top of the list once the new parts arrived. This mad my wife and I extremely happy because our daughter really needed her car to get back and forth to class. She lives off campus... So if you know anyone who owns a Kia or Hyundai, make sure you advise them to take their vehicle in and have the update done, if they haven't already. Because that and low oil upon arrival, is an easy out for them and they'll surely deny your claim.
Hyundai is trash
This just makes me want to stay away from Kia and Hyundai all together. I’ve heard so many nightmare experiences from Hyundai dealerships.
As they should if maintenance wasn't done. Look at it this way. You got a few more miles then most people who neglect them.
I'd drop the pan, lremove the rod caps, emery the journals throw in rod bearings .if the knock is gone I'm good to go. I'll even do the job in a dirt lot under a shade tree. Good thing I've always done my own mechanical work.
"What I did over my summer vacation" would have been shorter
Sad part is if they checked the oil and topped it up right before taking it to the dealer for the recall, the outcome might have been totally different. It's no secret that dealers will look for any way to avoid a warranty claim, so in addition to keeping up with my periodic under-hood checks, I also always give my cars a once over, and clean them, before taking them to the dealer for service.
Great advice
I agree, mechanics notice whether someone takes care of their vehicle, not only does that cause them to pay attention, but take extra care in their service.
Nobody wants to work on a filthy cluttered mess.
Great point! My daughters ask why I always check our cars over, empty the junk out and fill the tank before bringing them in for service. I believe strongly that if the shop sees that I the customer takes good care of the vehicle, they may be more respectful of it as well 😄
They would have required them to show maintenance receipts
@@Tool0GT92 You don't need to provide maintenance receipts for adding oil.
Hyundai has been replacing those engines under warranty like crazy. Even for people who did maintain them according to the factory service manual
yeah my 2011 kia optima get an issue with the recall twice. I got both sides of the main recall, total engine lock up the first time, replaced the engine under recall. Had it for 14 months, then it went into limp mode (that's the second side of the recall tree, valve problem) said it was past 12 months 12000 miles to replace under recall agian. Sold it for $500 to junkers. Everytime I see somone with a kia or hyundia with the same engine I urge them to sell it for 5-7 grand now and avoid losing the potential value.
My sister bought her Hyundai brand new and maintained it like it was a show car. At 40,000 miles, the engine was knocking like this.
Yep. My mother has the exact same car. I always did her oil changes and once every two weeks checked the oil. It would usually burn 2 qts a month and she only drives 2-3 days a week. Maybe 500 miles a month. Made sure it had oil in it when she took it to Hyundai and they rebuilt the engine in a week. That was about 2 months ago. Runs like a dream now. Burnt about half a quart since but the oil still looks new.
Their port injected engines from the 2000s were super solid, I could recommend most any decently maintained elantra/sonata or azera from that era as a rock solid starter car for anyone. Heck my cheap engineer dad wrung over 400k out of his 2004 Elantra with just maintenance before finally getting a new car in 2016.; However ever since Hyundai went direct injected, they've had a multitude of problems with their engines. Most of all the turbo 4's, so back to Toyota my recommendations go.
@@anasevi9456 Their build quality is garbage even if the engine is solid. My friend had both front door handles break, and then both front window regulators jammed, and the ac compressor is making terrible sounds as well. I'd avoid Hyundai personally, it's not even that much more to get a Honda or Toyota.
Last summer while at the lake, I spotted my 95 year old neighbour with the hood of her vehicle up and she was checking the fluids in prep for a 150 mile trip she would be making the next day. I had a good chat and let her know that over 90% of drivers today either don’t know or don’t care about the importance of what she was doing. How did we lose these important life skills?
We've been convinced that we don't have to put up with the inconvenience of basic maintenance on a car. Witness the "lifetime" transmissions on some cars. One trip to the shop for a few hours is too much for people. And anyone, I don't care who you are, if you have a driver's license, there is no excuse for not being able to check the oil. Pull the damn dipstick. And check it every time you drive away from a shop, because mistakes do happen.
- because some people don't appreciate it as 'I don't have time to check those things' and literally assume it will always work.
Almost all brands have better reliability now than before. Electronic ignitions and fuel injection did away with tune ups entirely. 100+ years of building ICE has taught the manufacturers how it's done. That is until they cut too many corners as evidenced here.
@@zburnhamor just buy a car that DOESN’T burn oil.
@@Mabeylater293 Are u on crack?
I bought a 1992 VW Golf for $100, that was in pretty much the exact same shape, except the oil pressure light (and buzzer) was on. Dropped the pan, and the “oil” was nothing but sludge. The oil pump pick up screen was covered in a solid “mud cake.”
Cleaned the pickup, shoveled out the pan, and reinstalled. Filled the engine with 2 quarts of “Motor Flush” and two quarts of cheap 5W-30. Let it idle for 10 mins, then proceeded to steadily increase throttle until it was near 4K rpm. Expecting it to either “grenade” at any moment, or clear the blockages. Miraculously, it suddenly cleared, and the oil light/buzzer went off.
Dropped the pan, dumped all the new gunk/sludge, and recleaned the oil pick up.
Plasti-gauged and replaced one horribly torched rod bearing, and filled it back up with 4 quarts of Mobil 1 10W-30.
Proceeded to deliver Dominos pizza in that car for the next two years. It ran just fine, and sounded relatively normal in the winter. In the heat of the summer months, though, someone once asked me if it was a diesel. 😂
So, sometimes “dead” doesn’t always mean it MUST be buried. Where there’s a will, there’s a way.
You mentioned the salvage yard, as that Hyundai’s likely destination. And halfway through the video I was thinking salvage yard. Not for drop off, but for pick up, of a used engine out of a wrecked donor car.
Aside from that option, you could have also purchased it from the customer for a song, and started parting it out on eBay with “local pick up only” for all the parts. No hassle in dealing with shipping, and you’d make a ton of $.
Thanks for reading my novel. Have a nice day everyone!
I tried that with my lemon. Previous owner never changed oil regularly. Good luck with that. Ended up selling it for scrap.
Wow I was one of the lucky ones...
I have a '16 Hyundai Sonata where this exact thing happened. Keep in mind that I have always serviced my vehicle at the dealer, including all oil changes. Here's how it went down:
I went for an oil change, and on my way back home, the engine lost basically all its oil, and I was leaving a trail of oil on the highway. I had to immediately pull over because it felt like the engine was about to blow. Ended up calling a tow truck. I then called the dealership and told them what just happened, given that my car had literally left their shop less than 30 minutes before it happened. With this being the case, and my maintenance history with them, they replaced my engine free of charge, and now I also have lifetime warranty on the new engine they put in.
After the engine was replaced, they mentioned a lot of the same issues... flakes in the oil and cylinders, knocking, etc. I'm glad I was able to escape such a scenario as what this customer is going through.
Yeah, dealers,,, can they be trusted? Maybe they put a cork in the drain plug, Hyundai pays for the engine and the labor, and the dealer makes out.
yeah paying for the oil changes can get you a free engine in there's a recall on that engine for being bad if it's a junk engine maintaining it is still worth it incase of recalls
@raven4k998 I have a 2019 sonata with this engine that my wife drives. Every maintenance has been at the dealer for this exact reason.
Wow you got lucky. Hyundai's and kias are junk. Thank God they took care of you 🙏
It's because its a flawed design from the start as Scotty Kilmer said.
Avoid Hyundai + Kia.
They'd like to be considered in the same realm as Toyota and Honda, and while there's 'value' for the short term, there isn't long term reliability.
You pay for what you get.
story time - my lady neighbour, leaving in the same street, around 30 y.o, single, drives a small KIA which she bought few years back used. As a guy and a good neighbour, seeing her struggling from time with teh car (dead battery or seized brakes) I offered her some car maintenance on her little car - like literally every few months. She always denied any help. A single strong lady, you know, as she likes to be seen LOL. One day she calls me asking for help with the car. That's new - I thought - and it's probably already worse than I even can imagine. It turned out the car wants to crank, but won't start. Battery, fuses, fuel, fuel pump, sparkplugs, filters, starter.. checked all of this - obviously everything neglected and air filter as dirty as a mud-rag. Oil level was the last I checked. Dipstick dry. When I asked her when she did the last oil-change she just made big eyes saying "what?" . When I started to explain that probably the engine might be even seized or something, she started to get upset and eventually started to cry. Long story short - her small kia got scrapped few days later after a pofessional mechanic - not just some random neighbour like myself LOL - told her - not for free - how much it will cost her to get the car back on road.
She got a next car - I don't offer her any help with it anymore. It's pointless in some cases. Some people will never understand that machines need maintenance. They would want everything to be easy and fun.
Simp
Pride is one hell of a thing
put a prius c drivetrain in there. mine used 1/2qt oil in 30,000 miles, and that's after i bought it at 180,000 miles
she probably thought you were hitting on her even though you were just being nice
@@alvarorangel5513 LOL - never thougt about this before, might have been truth though
From first-hand experience, the oil consumption on these 2.4L Hyundai engines is greater than usual. You'll run through a FEW quarts between oil changes, so you have to be really on top of the levels. You won't get a low level or low pressure warning, either.
That's the real problem why is there no oil light. When it is 2 quartz low
Hyundai considers 1 quart per 1200 miles normal for the 2.4l engine
@tomtomorange 100%. It's ridiculous that you don't get some kind of warning. A lot of drivers with that 2.4L may be running substantially low without warning. And this engine already has an extended warranty for knocking due to a defective bearing. The mfgr./dealer will take any excuse not to replace your engine under this program, and low oil is definitely on the list of excuses.
@@RichardSammartinoHow many quarts of oil are expected by Hyundai for the 2.0L Turbo?
We bought a 2016 sonata for our daughter and let me tell you, is been a nightmare for me checking the oil level every three or four days, now is smoking more that usual, that's the greatest garbage from Hyundai, I will stay away from them forever
Many years ago I worked part time at a service station and back then we used to pump the petrol etc for the customer. When I asked a young woman who pulled up in a VW Beetle if she wanted the oil checked she replied that they didn't need oil. I informed her that it was air cooled and didn't need water but definitely needed oil!
Had a Kia for 10 years and my mechanic thanked me personally he said thanks to my car he managed to build a a second level on his house 😅
@@gree9963 damn
Not surprised.. females don't know a damn thing about cars!
@@gree9963 just to be clear, that was not a compliment.
I had a 98 Hyundai for 17 years with no engine problems except for a failed alternator.
It is a weird world we live in when it's cheaper to throw something away then it is to repair it. The amount of Natural Resources being wasted is insane!! Love your videos cheers from Atlantic Canada👍😎🇨🇦
Yes and especially in a time when society is supposed to reduce landfills we seem to be practicing a more of a throw away society
This is part of the reason I'm keeping my old car as long as possible. Also because new cars do dumb things like the known piston ring blow-by issues with this GDI engine, and they nearly require a second mortgage to buy them. I've put $1,400ish into my car this year so far. Still way better off financially -- and environmentally -- than buying a new car.
It's a consumer driven society. When Apple sells a new iphone every year with miniscule improvements over the previous model, what do you expect? And electronics recycling is mythical at best.
These companies don't care about the environment.
And apple is just ONE company. Everybody uses plastic these days, but plastic is terrible!
@@modoc852 Your virtue signalling still makes no sense.
How do you even know that and why do you even care?
@15:45 Wizard, you're truly a class act. Thanks for this. It's sad that people have to be reminded to be kind and have sympathy. I've always admired your attitude toward protecting your customers. It seems that you truly care about people, and it shows in your work.
Idk as a car enthusiast its hard to be empathetic to someone who wouldn't spare a minute to potentially save their car's engine. Now they get to go byy another car just for that.
@@brayannexon4613 idk man, I don’t think anyone deserves a 8-10k bill for not checking their oil or for mistakenly thinking “it’ll probably be fine” and getting hit it with the bill. It was clear even wizard was shocked that no one would rebuild it
@@saratc660 there is saying that goes:
Oil is cheap engines are not.
The gaint bill was avoidable. Yet the lack of effort has bit them in the rear.
@@saratc660 what do they deserve then? A reward for their stupidity? To have a car so poorly maintained it barely had any oil left deserves very little sympathy.
@@saratc660 Yeah anyone can rebuild an Ecoboom the 2.0 i4 turbo in the lower trim mustangs... And you could always just swap in a coyote the GT Mustangs's V8.
Thank You Mr & Mrs Wizard, I just repaired a minor turn signal, and I will go and check my oil! 2006 Hundia Elantra, I deliver flowers with it, just turned over 90,000 miles. For my last oil change, they replaced the oil drain plug with an oversized plug. As my mechanic stated these oil pans were aluminum. The idea was to decrease the weight of the engine. So every oil change, I will just cross my fingers, you convinced me not to let this go!
I do like your inspections of the vehicles both inside and out!
Thank You!
Car wizard is a genuinely nice person. He seems so down to earth and kind, which is a rarity these days.
He's a hack. He was building the entire video to try to pin this mess on Hyundai when it the end it was his customer who's basically braindead.
Agree, his sympathy for the car owner was clear.
@@AI-qd4vb What? That didn't happen at all.
@@AI-qd4vb did you even bother to watch the video before commenting? 3 minutes into the video and he calls the customer out for lack of maintenance.
I concur.
When you said the grandmother bought the car for her granddaughter, I knew immediately she was not maintaining her car. Just hearing that, before you can see in the car already knew what the problem was. Lack of maintenance and I would expect to have very little oil in the car without even seeing the car. I've seen this so many times. People are just gas and go especially when they're given a car because they just don't take care of it. Either lack of knowledge about maintenance or just laziness
An honest mechanic is hard to find, and you're the best honest mechanic out there. My subaru had a minor oil burn, but because it was not 1 quart in 1200 miles a extended warranty offered only on the engine was not honored. They instead blamed on me having a clogged up pcv valve. Dealers want to save the company money
Funnily enough, I bought a 2013 Sonata with the original 2.4l engine (bad market at the time) for $3000 a few years back. It miraculously had 210k miles. I kept it for another 10k miles and sold it. The previous owners secret was that he kept up with oil changes and topped off when needed. He also drove the hell out of it. It didn't even burn oil! To this day i wonder if I had a unicorn on my hands lol.
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I had a 2013 sonata i got with 9k miles on it. Previous owner and I were both religious about oil changes. Engine seized on the highway at like 55k.
I have same one, 130k+ miles, drive across the country a few times but no oil burn.
The thing is my wife brought it for $12k at 120k miles😅extremely bad market
@@lqtmn yours are proly tamper with ODO
As a service writer at a Hyundai dealership alot of those 2.4s have an engine warranty extension. I bet if I ran the vin through our system I could see if it does. Also low oil is common because these motors burn oil like crazy
You should email car wizard of you can help
I own a 2016 Hyundai and it does burn about a half quart a week. I check the oil level every Saturday.
in oil consumptions ive seen them burn 4qts in 1000 pretty common
The dealer, and corporate, have already informed the customer that warranty / recall will not be honored on this car.
If owners don’t check the oil level at all, then this will happen sooner or later. It’s so easy to check a dipstick, or get someone else to check if you don’t know how.
Note to self always make sure to top off fluid levels before issuing a car to a dealer for possible recall issues
It used to be you wouldn't have to worry about excessive oil consumption in older cars unless the miles were high. But oil viscosity is much lower than before, which makes them more vulnerable to this issue.
hyundai make one of the worst engine in the world.
they used to OEM Mitsubishi engines those were solid.
as soon as hyundai made own engines, they all fail around 40k-70k.
that doesn't work, the dealer is smart enough you just added new oil
@@kuyre2239 The 2.4 Liter 4 cylinder that Sonata has is a shared engine with Chrysler, Kia and Mitsubishi. It's called the "world engine" for a reason.
@@BartStar009 get some used oil from a repair shop..they should be thrilled to get rid of it...then, they can't tell you just added fresh oil...
Great video. My dad tought me to always change the oil every 3000 miles. Even with the suggested 5000 & 10,000 mile suggested changes in today's new cars, I stick with the 3000 rule and I check my oil every month. My car is only five years old with less than 60,000 miles, but I won't change from what I learned.
Keep up the great and honest suggestions in your videos. We all appreciate it.
Change it yourself too! The lowest kids on the mechanic totem pole do oil changes
Yes, I also follow my dad’s 40 year old advice, faithfully oil change every 3,000 miles! Check tire air pressure every month.
Changing oil evey 3000 miles seems like a waste of money considering how much synthetic oil and quality filters cost, not to mention how much better oil quality is compared mineral oils from 30-40 years ago. Not to mention how much fuel quality has changed as well as engine build quality. That 3000 miles thing was adequate for 1970's Chevy Novas that ran rich and had warn out piston rings in less than 50 000 miles not for vehicles made in 21sr centuryõ But if you don't want to change or actually learn anything new, then it's your money you're spending.
@@robertrool8108 - I schedule 5k miles on my g/f’s Rav 4. I use high quality Wix filters and Mobil 1. I actually just changed it on Monday at 5500 miles and this new 0w-20 oil is garbage. Absolutely no viscosity left compared to the 5-30 syn blend I use on my Astro van and her old ‘08 Rav 4 with 278k miles.
@@robertrool8108 That’s alright, I’ll spend MY money and you believe in what you want to believe!
I’ve had engine for my 2011 Sonata replaced at 160k miles by the dealer for free due to high oil consumption (quarter per 300 miles). There is now a lifetime warranty for those engines by Hyundai because of all the lawsuits. If the dealership denies the warranty, please contact Hyundai customer service and also try another dealership. I have several friends who also replaced their 2.4s by warranty. There is a ton of info on Hyundai/Kia forum. I’d be happy to provide more details, your customer should not pay for the replacement of this engine. Good luck!
Dealer already saw the low oil.
Did the dealer do an oil consumption test?
I bet the dealer that the customer went to probably saw that they didn’t have any oil change records through them, so that gave them grounds to decline the service. But I would definitely go to another dealership and get Hyundai/Kia Corporate involved.
Yup. Going to need that info. Got a 2011 with the horrible 2.4ltr Theta 2 engine.
My 2012 Sonata had the engine replaced two years ago by the dealer here in Tampa absolutely free. The rod bearings completely failed and seized the engine. Hyundai should replace the engine.
I’m so glad I stumbled upon this video! I appreciate that you took the time to advocate for this family. There are plenty of videos demonstrating these 2.4L engines are poor in design and likely to fail with many seized engines. Shame on Hyundai! I own both Hyundai & Kia I can assure they will be my last vehicles I will buy from them…even if they go strictly electric!
Oh wow! I’m looking for a used vehicle and there is one 2019 Kia 115,000 miles. Probably not a good idea then 😢
This is great advice EVEN for the mechanically inclined. Last summer replaced a head gasket on a different vehicle. At the same time my teenage daughter was driving one of our cars, of Japanese variety, and then one day I climbed into it and realized it had been over a year and 10,000 miles since the oil was changed. Many faulted Acura's very in your face oil change reminders but I actually think it might be a really good idea for people like me.
If the owner were to trade that car in for a new car, the dealer would take the car and then put in a new engine under the owners original warranty. and along with screwing the owner on the trade, they would screw Hyundai on the replacement engine - That is the truth and that is how bad car dealers are - all of them!
Oh my dude, Acura/Honda had tire rotation reminder, too. What a company!
12 rule for life
No.1 Dont buy a KIA Hyundai new
No.2 Dont buy a KIA Hyundai used
i dont like oil change
thats why i drive a HONDA.
10k miles is an entirely normal oil change interval so not sure what you think the issue was
It's hard to feel sorry for that person if they aren't going to do the maintenance. Not checking your oil can be a very expensive habit, but in the end, it's on that person.
I for one am RABID about oil changes; high mileage or no, when I sold my ‘12 Nissan Sentra, the new owner got a real peach! 🍑
I have a 2013 Elantra with 91k miles and it doesn't burn oil.
@@madcapper6 My daily is a 96 Silverado with almost 400,000 miles on it. It doesn't burn anything.
@@sfritts Yeah likely not the issue going on here. Probably went dry unexpectedly stupid quick
I've been saying for years Kia Hyundai use poor cheap wire harnesses which turn into electrical problems on the vehicles & now fires, I had a 16 Sorento what a nightmare almost everything broke electrical issues up the a** battery continually dying, moon roof wouldn't close just a disaster, they entice with the designs of the car but reliability eventually catches up to you... I remember Hyundai back in the 80s Pony Stellar were also disasters.
Many years ago while working as a tech at a local Hyundai dealer I had a customer bring in a 2000's sonata. (Can't remember the year) anyways for the most part it was really clean with high mileage. Customer made a comment about an oil change so I figured this was gonna be easy. Well apparently at 90,000 miles or so, this was her time coming in for an oil change. I checked the dipstick and yup it was dry. I tried telling the service manager that we shouldn't touch the car, but I was ignored. Put the car in the air, removed the drain plug and it was pretty much chunks and metal shavings coming out with pitch black sludge that was remnants of oil. The service manager wanted me to perform 2 oil changes on that car in "hopes" it would fix it. That's not how oil changes work. I felt bad for the customer, but also annoyed that they brought this on themselves. And pissed at the stupidity of the service manager. I didn't stay long after that.
That is clear negligence on the owners part.
@@AJ-xm4xc agreed
Service manager sounds like scum. Anything to make money off the customer.
a lot of owners are just ignorant. They think all they have to do is put gas in when the gauge reads empty and that's it. "maintenance? what's that?"
some of Hyundai / KIA dealers are straight scammers.
Have a 2015 sonata with the 2.4l engine. With meticulous maintenance. At just 116k miles the engine randomly started misfiring and the check engine light came on while driving down the highway. After limping it home I got the car scanned and it showed a misfire in the 3rd cylinder. After attempting small fixes like spark plugs and plug wires I decided to take it to Long Hyundai, this was my second mistake aside from buying a junk Hyundai in the first place. I stopped taking our car there for oil changes initially because I found an oil filter I had changed the last time still on the car after I paid them for an oil and filter change. With the car at Long, Chris from service stated it had no compression in the 3rd cylinder and it needed head work ($5300), but was pushed to do an engine replacement which was quoted to me at $7-8k, that I would be responsible for. After trying and getting no real diagnosis on the actual problem and a very difficult time trying to communicate with the service department, I picked the car up and coughed up the $200 “diagnostic” fee for nothing. Once I picked up the car I finally got the service report and the diagnosis was “blown head gasket.” I did not have a single symptom of a blown head gasket- no coolant in the oil, no overheating, no smoke out of the exhaust, coolant was clean in the over flow tank with no bubbling.
I immediately drove to S&S Auto for a second opinion and they quickly found metal material in my oil and no symptoms of a head gasket issue. Long either completely missed this or did not want to tell me. I personally saw the shavings in the oil when I picked it up from S&S. They advised me about the warranty campaign Hyundai has on the 2.4liter engines and they didn’t charge me anything for the diagnostics. After doing my own research I decided to take it back to a dealership to have them handle the situation. I called the service director-John- at Long Hyundai to explain the situation and told him I was taking the car to a different Hyundai service center to reassess. He did not care that I was taking it to another dealership after Long has misdiagnosed the issue. John just told me, “Well let me know what they find.” (Tried getting a hold of him multiple times since and have never gotten a call back)
After moving the car to a third shop, this time Mnt View Hyundai, which is about an hour from my house, I talked to Brian about what was going on and he stated they have been cleaning up a lot of issues from Long. After he had the car for a couple of days he stated he had found the metal shavings in the oil and that the car was misfiring and it should be taken care of under Hyundai’s warranty campaign 953 for excessive bearing wear on the crank. He went back and forth with Hyundai Motors America and I had to give them all my receipts for the oil changes I had done and they stated that my issue was not covered under warranty since my engine wasn’t knocking or locked up yet (basically because it hadn’t left me stranded on the side of the road), but that they would cover 85% of the replaced engine. After fighting for another week and hours on the phone with Hyundai’s warranty departments and Hyundai customer care with no resolve, I had agreed to cover the 15% that Hyundai wouldn’t cover. I was still mad they wouldn’t cover 100% from their own warranty, but it was better knowing Long was going to charge me $7-8k. Brian helped me get a rental car covered from Hyundai since some of the items were on back order. I was very grateful for that since I hadn’t had the car for two weeks at this point.
A couple weeks later Brian called me and stated the car should be ready in a day or two and suggested random replacements, like air filters and brakes (all I take care of myself and have receipts on the last time I changed them) I picked up the car and paid my 15% of the cost which ended up being $828. I told him I wanted a test drive, no offense to him or the dealership, but I can’t trust anyone. Upon entering the vehicle I noticed the abs light and traction light on and the blind spot detection wasn’t working. I took it for a drive and went back and talked to Brian about that, stating there was no issue with this when I brought it. He had a tech sheet stating they ran the code when they got the car and it was on. I asked why it was never brought up to me while the car was in his shop for almost 3 weeks. He stated the tech ran some tests and stated it was operating properly and didn’t want to sell me a part I didn’t need. I stated having the abs and traction light on could be dangerous and could malfunction and he stated “it won’t lock up” and “it’s fine”. However, he did offer to fix the issue for free labor and I pay for the part, which was $360. I told him I wasn’t giving Hyundai any more money and drove my car home with all three of those lights on my dash. I am glad the car has a new engine and Brian did help me out with a lot of things, but there are still issues that should have been taken care of that just weren’t. The last month with the car and dealing with all of Hyundai has been beyond frustrating and I now have a car I don’t trust or feel safe in. They have definitely lost me and my family as customers and I hope anyone reading this will think twice before buying anything made by Hyundai.
Toyota is similar. They don't issue warranty enhancements for known problems... and it took six attempts to get a defective CV axle replaced under warranty in a Prius Prime... that had a cancelled TSB about the issue.
This is why the traditional automaker and dealership model is doomed to fail. Nobody wants to deal with this. I have had a direct sale EV(Tesla) for 5 years and service has been awesome. I had one issue which was common. Squeaking upper control arms. They replaced them in my driveway, charged me $120 for parts and $0 for labor, out of warranty. The 30 seconds I spent on the app creating the appointment was the entirety of time I spent dealing with it. Car Wizard is exactly right on his point about why people will switch to EV’s. We just want to get in and drive.
You just had a bad experience. That doesn’t represent all Hyundai dealers or vehicles. I have a Hyundai for 6 years now and it still runs like a charm. Yes, I’ve taken it in for its recalls and updates and have definitely kept up with oil changes and minimal maintenance. But in the 6 years I’ve had it, it’s given me almost no issue.
@@leonxl well it was bad enough for me to have the personal opinion that their cars, and Hyundai are trash. Seen many other stories similar to mine as well. Best of luck with your Hyundai.
Honda was super helpful when a transmission on our pilot went bad at 102k, even though it was past warranty they offered no prompting from me to cover the part if I paid for labor.
VW told me to screw my self in the same situation
Love that huge scrape across windshield where they ran wipers with no blades😂
I'm still not sure if it's user error, or if theta engines are that bad
@@Radi0he4d1 what?
@@jciarkowski3109 I'm saying I'm not sure if people who scrape their windshields with wipers off can be trusted to change the oil, or if the engines such as the one used in this car are just bad ticking time bombs
That windshield looks like it is cracked. That's a relatively minor issue compared to that bad engine.
@@Radi0he4d1 They're actually that bad. They are known for seizing up and sometimes even catching fire, regardless of how well the oil was topped off. I always get a laugh when people say these are great cars as if they never heard of this issue before.
I am Korean.
I expected an American car mechanic to talk about Korean car engines someday.
It was your video today, and my prediction was right.
In fact, the issue of modern direct injection engines in Korea is quite old.
Past MPi engines still have great durability.
As a Korean, the fact that Korean cars are often mentioned by Americans.
I feel quite happy, but I feel bitter about many bad issues.
I feel that.
Thank you for the video.
I remember Hyundai in 2000s; their engines were very reliable. My father owned an elantra with over 500,000 km on the original engine and gearbox. It's sad to see how Hyundai engines have declined since.
@@anasevi9456 As long as retards keep buying them why bother.
2000s were definitely the heyday for Hyundai/Kia
@@anasevi9456 Americans love Korean food and technology. We also love your cars, but they are having problems right now. And many even like your music!
Some of Hyundai's higher-end products have a much better reputation now, starting with the 2009 Genesis onwards. They're basically seen as "the new Lexus."
My oldest sister did this with the car our parents bought her. She never even checked the oil and ran it till it died. Her friends ended up putting a junk yard engine in it.
buddy of mine got a Hyundai suv check oil and change oil every 3 -5000 miles.
start burning OIL almost immediately. the engine lock up on highway almost killing him at 50k.
@@kuyre2239 I'd never buy a Hyundai, they have known bad engines. My oldest sister bought an Excel when Hyundai first came to the USA. When she let me drive it, I couldn't believe how bad it was.
Female drivers should be required to take a course on basic maintenance on a vehicle BEFORE they are issued a driver's license...
@@richardhoating23 Male drivers too buddy, you oughta see some of the excuses for young men out there these days.
nice casual sexism.
My daughter is going through this right now. The oil was low but the dealer couldn’t say anything because they had just changed it. There is a recall of sorts. You have to jump through their hoops to get anything done.
08/15/24--Hyundai replaced my daughters’ motor, at no cost.
My mother has the same car, with the same issues. I bought the 2010 Accord she chose this car over. 210k miles and it's mechanically perfect.
I have this same car only with the 2.0T. I think you're spot on with the oil change interval point. Hyundai says you can go 7500 miles in between oil changes which is way to long IMO. I've changed the oil every 3k in mine since the car was new, and check it frequently. At 100k miles, it does not burn any oil. If I was the customer I wouldn't give up fighting just yet. I've seen several people on the sonata Facebook group that I'm in get told no several times, but finally get it approved after a battle. These engines are junk and Hyundai/Kia know they're junk. Unless they just flat out never changed the oil, hyundai should cover it under the campaign. Id fight them tooth and nail. This is exactly why I've always had my service done at the dealer, and keep all the records so they can't pull this BS if the engine blows up. I think with proper maintenance these engines can be decent. But couple 7500 mile oil changes, which probably turns into 8500 mile oil changes because they're "a little late", and never checking the oil, and these engines are a recipe for disaster.
Strangely enough I also own a 2015 2.0t, oil changes every 3-5k, oem oil filters, topped up my oil as needed, and it STILL spun a bearing at 98k literally a couple weeks ago. I was recently just approved a "new" engine, turbo, and intake manifold under the lifetime warranty due to huge settlement over these engines. Covers my ass about 10k+ dollars! Unfortunately the impending doom these engines have is inevitable, especially the ones that come from the Alabama factory. Even the 2017 sonata 2.4L i had before this only lasted about 120k miles. Hopefully yours does last a lifetime though. Good luck!
@NLOE ya I think it's hit or miss. That's why I've got everything documented though from the cars service history. So if it does blow, it definitely wont be from lack of oil, and they wont be getting out of replacing it under the campaign either. My goal is 150k. At that point, I'll be ready to trade it off anyway.
A 7,500 mile oil change on a Hyundai turbo GDI engine is crazy. I sent several oil samples to Blackstone-Labs from my 2017 Hyundai Tucson with the 1.6L T-GDI engine, and it failed all of them for fuel contamination in the oil. MY car has 32,000 miles on it. The first sample I sent in had 6% fuel contamination after 3,600 miles. That means 6% of my oil is actually gasoline and not oil. The limit is 2%. Any more than that, and the oil can't protect the engine from wear. The lab said "1,200 mile oil changes and go fix your car" I did a second oil change and had the same results.
The dealer replaced the high pressure fuel pump under warranty. I did a couple more oil changes and now it's fixed. I got 1.8% fuel contamination after 2,600 miles. That means I can do 3,000 mile oil changes, just barely. Any more than that and I risk damaging the engine.
My friend has a 1998 Toyota Tacoma with 250K miles and sent his oil in after 6,000 miles. He has ZERO fuel in his oil. Also, he doesn't have GDI. Is it a coincidence? I think not.
I have a 13 2.0t limited. I keep oil changes regular and it uses just a bit, maybe a quart between changes at 5k. But I know the turbo can cause that a bit. I got the car 4 years ago with 57k on the odometer, it has 101k on it now. Runs well on the road, mpg in town isn't great but I expected that. I know the dealer told me, when I went in for a recall, that there is now a lifetime wty on the long block. I have actually been happy with the performance and the features, so I will keep driving it and if it locks up I will get the engine replaced.
I am also using LiquiMoly 5w-40 in it now instead of the 5w-20 or 30 the dealer would put in there.
@@LabCoatPaul I agree. I think the actual reccomendation on the turbo models by hyundai is 5k not 7500. But still I'm doing mine at 3k. Oil is cheap engines aren't. I still think 7500 miles in any GDI is to long. Regardless of if it's a turbo or not.
It’s a hard lesson to be learned but hopefully the granddaughter now understands the importance of maintenance.
Agreed, not trying to be unprofessional or mean to the owners, but while the motor in this car isnt the best, this was not the manufacturers fault. This was the irresponsible owner/drivers fault.
@@joeydeemendoza there is a current massive recall on Hyundai for faulty engines. There is even a live class action lawsuit. There's a real problem with Hyundai engine knocking. You just need to do a search on youtube for Hyundai engine knock and there are at least more than 30 videos in there.
It’s not really the daughters fault but the car. This engines burn 1 quart every 500miles 😂😂😂😂
Not very much about maintenance they are built very poor. I see vehicles with 40k miles and already consuming oil. Kia/hyndai engines are horrible, even if you replace your oil every month.
Their newer engines must be like this, I drive an i30 1.4 N/A (I think that s the Elantra in America) and I hit the redline everytime I drive it. Close to 100k miles, doesn't burn a drop of oil and it runs like new, though I change the oil every 5k miles or so. If it's true, it's really sad, the appeal for a Hyundai for me was their rock solid reliability...
2015 Sonata that we got my daughter had the same issue. The engine is notorious for burning oil. Thankfully the dealership we bought it from had a free engine/drivetrain for life policy and replaced it for free.
But if they don't fix the problem in the new engine, it would need replacing again. Even when it's free, it's always a hassle to go to the dealership for the same thing, over and over and over. Still a waste of time and effort.
Hi Wizard, I had a 2017 Hyundai Elantra purchased new from the dealership. They offered $20 oil changes to their buyers, so I changed the oil religiously at the dealership. At 110,000 miles the engine went. Because of my stellar maintenance record, they supplied me with a new engine for free, despite that the 100,000-mile warranty had expired. I paid labor of maybe $2,000 and was glad to do so. The new engine lasted a year before it went. This time they offered to furnish a used engine with 40,000 miles, again with me paying the labor. I said okay.
But after waiting a month for the engine to come in, I went ahead and bought a Honda Civic. I needed to get to work each day, and renting a car indefinitely was like lighting money on fire. The Honda dealership (Honda of Westport, CT) sells all of its Hondas with a lifetime warranty on the complete drive train. Problem solved for good. I let Hyundai install the used engine and then I sold that car (with full disclosure). Never again will I buy a Hyundai.
That engine lasted a year because of that 20 dollar oil.
Yeah...$20 oil change was your first mistake. I can't help but think that Hyundai customers are part of the problem.
This guy got toasted by 2 people for taking advantage of dealer $20 oil change, enough already! Even if he/she did it themselves, the first motor would probably have blown, and dealer wouldn't have given them anything!!!
Maybe you're dyslexic and read Hyundai as Honda 😂😂😂💀 just jokin
What engine? $20 wouldn't even cover the price of oil let alone filter or labor. Try $40 plus where I live.
Such a shame that for a few years Hyundai and Kia were looking so promising, offering seemingly decent cars at an affordable price. Then those cars began to age, and we saw just how unreliable and disposable they really were, specifically the engine's. Every day there's a new recall. Then the whole USB thefts put the nail in the coffin. It's a shame, I was really rooting for them and personally love the Genesis lineup.
Lipstick on a pig, my man. Just like building a budget performance car, you have to cut some corners. Cheap, Reliable, Luxury. Pick two.
Only made to last 100,000 miles. Even Mercs and BMWs are disposable these.
Hyundai's early 2000s cars were actually much more reliable, and lasted a lot longer, than their newer stuff.
@@elesjuan the triangle is cheap, reliable, fast
@@spicysnowman8886 Thanks, but I prefer it my way.
I did a lot of research for a Subaru oil control plate I designed and found out some interesting information. On a typical 3.0L V6 with an oil capacity of 5 quarts, there were almost 2.5 quarts of oil circulating in the engine and about 2.5 quarts in the oil pan. Now think about letting your car get just 2 quarts low. You may have as little as a half quart in the pan on level ground or zero lateral and zero horizontal G driving. Now throw in acceleration, braking and turning and I guarantee that oil pickup is sucking air a good percentage of the time. When my cars are newer I change the oil and filter every 5000 miles because it's easy to remember by just looking at the odometer. As they get past 100,000 miles, I go to 3000 miles for the oil only and change the filter every other time. It's never let me down in 50 years of driving and maintaining cars.
Oil is cheap, engines are not. 🤷♂️
yes garage 54 made a clear oil pan and i was stunned to see half the oil get sucked through the engine while running at idle!
How long for time interval vs miles? I don’t drive much. You do every 6 months or every year?
How long for time interval vs miles? I don’t drive much. You do every 6 months or every year?
I have an 03 boxster S. I change the oil every 6 months regardless of mileage. I have changed it while only driving 500 miles at one point. An oil change is way cheaper than an engine, and I have not yet done the IMS, so I am spooked about that.
Just because a car is low on oil doesn't equate to lack of checking. It could be low due to many factors. I bought a car in Oregon. Checked fluids and drove it home. By the time I got it home it didn't register oil on the dipstick. Car drove perfectly fine! No warning lights. Nothing.. I was beyond impressed it survived without issues. I've since owned 14 of them. 98-2008 Crown Victoria's.
Not to mention likely the worst thing about hyundai/Kia ownership is the dealerships are horrendous.
Hyundais and Kia’s are horrendous
To be fair every dealership is horrible... I don't buy Ford or Chevy but I for better for worse have driven a different brand car for each of my purchases and I would say Acura is one of the better experiences. But that being said a dealership is a dealership they always try to nickel and dime even Toyota dealerships..... Hyundai and Kia aren't great either but it helps if you're in an area that has at least two or three competing dealerships because then if there's more than one place you can buy the same brand car within a 30 mi radius they have less gumption to be dick heads
@@nathanielbailey108 Man you are dead RIGHT about that.
Even Genesis sucks. Had a G80 and was treated horribly…went back to Mercedes
In my area the Gm and Ford dealerships are better Would never buy or have my vehicle serviced at the dodge dealership. Which is unfortunate because I love Chrysler cars.
Wizard, That is some good and honest advice for your customer. I did a rebuild on one of those junk GM 3.6 motors for a family member. I am a pro mechanic and I used the highest quality parts I could get. The motor took a crap about 8 mo. later. Like you said some motors aren't worth rebuilding. I did the labor work for free yet I still feel bad about it.😔
That’s so crazy that these engines are disposable. I replaced the bearings on a 74 454 in my driveway as a teenager and it came out fine.
My mom just traded her 2017 Santa Fe sport because it burned 2 Quarts every 1.5k miles. Only had 80k miles. It was ridiculous. She got a 2019 rav 4 with 17k miles. I’m happy she listened to me and got a Toyota.
I maintain a 2014 Acadia with the 3.6. It currently has 207k on it. It does burn oil, 1 qt every 1500 miles, but keep it topped off and going. I have seen plenty of 3.6l with 200k+. The earlier ones were bad with timing chains, but the 2012 or so + that was resolved.
I ll bet that the timing chains went... we cannot use aftermarket parts they are all from china with low quality for sure...
I had a 2005 CTS with the same engine that didn't make it past 60K miles. Lost a shit load of money.
My wife’s 2011 sonata has 250k miles on it and still runs quiet. The only thing done to the engine was changing the timing chain and adjuster as a precaution at 150k which I did myself. Other than that, I change the ATF every 30k, the oil every 3000 miles and the coolant every three years along with flushing the brake fluid.
I like the way you do business and not judge your customers. If I lived in the area I would definitely give you my business Mr Wizard. Carry on!
One thing you may have forgotten to mention is how many manufacturers are doing away with actual dipsticks. It makes it even more unlikely people will check the oil unless they get a warning light.
Because 90% of people don’t check the dipstick. If there’s no dipstick then there is a way to check level in infotainment screen. Sensors are designed to fail in “low oil” mode. I think it’s a great idea for your average person. Most engines have an aftermarket option for a dipstick tube. All comes down to basic maintenance
My winter car is an 2006 4runner and it feels and looks practically brand new. Toyota is conservative in implementing new features and pays close attention to components. It really pays off for the consumer. I expect to have it a long time.
The same thing with auto transmissions - Lifetime Fluid - which means 10 yrs. or 100,000 miles.
You can check the level on the screen if not manually. She’s obviously not changed the oil ever. Even if you don’t check it between services say yearly or 8k it wouldn’t use that much! It would’ve been smoking if it was burning oil. Her not maintaining it caused this. Was she never taught you have to service them?
@@martincassels7995 Her thinking was “if the car runs, I’m not gonna spend a cent on it.”
Makes it fun looking for a used car when people ruin them with their cheap-assery.
Its so crazy how a car can look perfect fine on the outside but one internal problem can completely make it unusable
Kinda like humans 😂
because its Hyundai
@@fffwe3876no numb nut, it’s because the owner neglected to maintain the engine.
The problem here was defective daughter.
Why would you need oil though? I think it's pretty cool to have an engine that can disassemble itself
You're the best Wizard. My family had this happen on an 04 Concorde with under 50k miles due to the infamous 2.7l V6 engine sludging issues and they also denied our recall because it was not just slightly low on oil but we didn't keep oil change reciepts. Hope life works out for your customer and her granddaughter, that really sucks to hear their situation
Those infamous Chrysler 2.7L V6 "engine sludging" issues were ultimately caused by the poorly designed internal water pumps that would leak and contaminate the oil. That problem was largely misdiagnosed for years.
@@chynacash3138 easy solution? Don’t buy Chrysler. Problem solved 😁😁😁
@@paulu7751 Too late for that, my husband drives a 2021 Ram pickup and he loves that big thing even though it doesn't fit in our garage lol.
I was fortunate to get free engine short block from the dealership after the 1st recall letter went out. My 2012 sonata limited is still running at 196,000 miles, although it's starting to show it's age because it's eating more oil nowadays.
The time and effort you put into making this video is truly encouraging and you must have a heart of gold!
I was crying oil 😢 at the emotional delivery of your sad story.
Thanks for sharing and God bless. 🙏
Pull this engine and send it to "I Do Cars" here on TH-cam. His dissection of this engine would be interesting....
Great video!
Or speedkar99. He also tears down engines as well. The only problem is that he is in Canada.
He'll have a field day especially with his "check your oil" mantra 😉
Yesssss!
That's exactly who I was thinking about too
My brother did that to a car back in the 90s. Locked up the engine in the middle of the intersection. He said he didn't know cars needed oil. Heared the same thing a few years ago from my girlfriend's little brother. People just don't know and it's a hard lesson.
I can understand women not knowing cars. But your brother and your girlfriend's brother? Men should know cars.
@@AbcAbc-sp1od I know someone’s gonna go snowflake and get offended but this is true. Men should know cars. It doesn’t have to be in-depth knowledge but at least basic knowledge like how to change a tire, when was the last oil change, brake pads etc.
Even the most uninterested person I knew towards cars still knew the basics of how a engine worked. Needs oil, needs gas, needs air.
@@AbcAbc-sp1od It’s not that they should know cars, it’s a responsibility for any car owner to know some basic things about how cars work. It’s more likely that growing up, they had no one in the family that was interested in maintaining cars, so in turn the rest of the offspring wouldn’t care either.
90s TOYOTA is more reliable today than new 2023 hyundai.
hyundai KIA engines are Almost always Junk.
@@Sodapopper100 I have a few friends that are school bus drivers. And as part of their training they are taught how to do a basic check up like checking the oil.
My wife’s Hyundai had the same issue, but the dealer had documents showing the car had been serviced there, so they honored the engine recall and installed a brand new engine for her at no charge.
I believe you😂
My wife has a 2015 Kia Sorento, fought with Kia about burning oil, after going through there testing for months, they finally replaced the motor. They STINK…
I had one of the early production 2011 Sonata's, drove it regularly and it had 180k+ on the odometer when I traded it in after 8 years of service. Outside of the normal servicing of fluids, brakes, ect. And the recalls, it was very reliable and never was in the shop for more than 24hrs for a service.
@@sawood1031 And I believe you😂
I would get rid of that thing as soon as possible and get a Toyota or something.
I had exactly the same situation with a 2014 Hyundai Tucson. And since I knew nothing about mechanics and I never checked the engine oil. I learned from the difficult situation. Now I attend A 2018 Hyundai sant a fe sport already has 110,000 miles. And I tell you that since I bought it with 10,000 miles on it, I learned to change the oil every 3,000 miles, full synthetic. And I have the oil level checked every 700 miles. Since then I have not had any mechanical problems. I recently changed the transmission oil and everything is going very well. Thank you for bringing up this type of content, it is very useful for the general public.
Yes, you didn't check the engine oil.
I check my oil (almost) every time I fuel up. Gets me strange looks at the gas station sometimes. (Especially the time the stupid plastic handle of the dipstick broke off and I had to crawl under the car to get it.) But then everyone is surprised when they learn the car has over 260,000 miles on it. Take care of your investment, and it SHOULD take care of you.
So sad. I'm mechanic myself, and You are right car wizard, life just gets in the way just as it has for me. I let my trucks oil go longer than normal and it was a little low and also black. (I never do that) but with life's normal problems and for me, I go to doctors often due to my health, and I'm your age, and i tell you, it is tough to keep up with everything. I hope the sonata owners find another car and check the oil in it! 🙂 Sometimes it takes things like this to remind us to take better care of what we own.
With most other vehicles it wouldn’t be as egregious a problem. Hyundai is just ridiculous. Trust me, I know. Hope you’re holding up ok
I love the way you ended this video... life gets in the way and let's not blame anyone. You're a good person, Wizard. Good bless you
blame Hyundai
Hyundai engines are ALL JUNK. 😊
but dealer blamed owner for not checking oil.
thats Hyundai warranty
@@dfsdh432v9 dealers will blame their own mothers just to make a buck. My brother in law is a dealer...enough said.
I owned a 2016 Sonata with this same Theta II (2.4L 4 cyl) and had the dealership handle all the maintenance, and every oil change was documented. Started having oil consumption issues around 120K miles, anf had the motor replaced at 137K.
All was well...until the transmission died at 191K.
The 2016 Sonata was the first car I looked at when I was car shopping back in 2016. I liked the specs but when I went to test drive I thought it was too big for what I needed then. I am glad I did more research and went with a Mazda3.
Mazdas are way better than Hyundais anyway
Smart guy
That was a good choice.
Korean Cars aren't that good than japanese
@@d.b.1008 back then when researching there was an idea that Korean cars had mostly worked out a lot of their kinks by then. I beleived it enough to consider as it was much less than a Toyota. Dug deeper, did not think the Sonata was for me, did not want to test out for myself, and found Mazda.
I personally check the fluid levels in my car at least once a week and when a big trip comes up I check them one time before I go and one time when it's time to come back. It doesn't take more than 5 minutes and you have peace of mind that something catastrophic won't happen
never checked my oil.
the secret?
Honda
@@tocreatee3585 they truly are great cars. I used to own a 99 civic sedan. I had it for 5 years until a drunk driver wrecked it
@@tocreatee3585 Hondas need oil, too...let it get too low(and it eventually will) and she will blow..Hondas are quality, but they are not magic...
..Yes, same here, and I check the tires as well....
The car should warn about low oil. Or is that too advanced tech for Hyundai?
I generally check my oil with every fill-up. Which just about works out to your 2 weeks. I've never been low with my last three cars (all bought new), so I can see how someone might get lax...
I get my oil changed about every 5000 miles. On my older cars, it was about every 3000, but my current vehicles, the oil never really looks dirty on the dipstick, even at 5k. I don't generally rely on time. Our main car winds up getting changed every 6 months or so, and I generally use a synthetic blend. My little sporty toy goes about a year on full synthetic. It seems to be working out for me...
I used to own Kia's until I got a job in the service department at a Kia dealership. The vehicles have too many electrical issues and cheap engines. Btw, Kia considers excessive loss of oil if it loses at least one quart of oil per thousand miles driven. If you're vehicle loses less than one quart of oil per thousand miles, Kia considers the oil loss acceptable and the engine to be good.
I used to change oil every 37.5k miles/2years, as recommended by the cars computer and the manual. Sold it running like new with 190k miles. Used 0-w40 longlife synthetic oil though. Never had to refill in between.
@@computercrack Which make and model?
@@aliemreozkan (GM) Opel/Vauxhall Vectra/ Signum 2.2DTI (Diesel) from 2003. Specified with oil change of 2 years or 31k miles. I once extended this to 37k miles by my own fault. Had the car from 2005 to 2017 and drove 150k miles with like 5-6 oil changes. Oil I used was 0W40 full synthetic long life oil with GM LL specification. (recommended was 5W30 I believe)
The later engines they used in that car had only 1 year and 19k intervals though. Also applied for the later Model Insignia (1.9CDTI Diesel)
I’m on my second Sonata. 254,000 miles on my 2011. Currently at 272,000 plus on my 2016. Other than tires, brake pads, oil and filters it is totally original. I hear horror stories about Hyundai’s but I’ve had great luck with them. Still runs great and gets 34 mpg.
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Yo Wizard appreciate you always shooting us with the straight talk. Not many mechanics willing to tell you real info that can save you time, money , and a hassle. We appreciate it and you brother.
and remember to change your oil regularly cause the life you save will be your cars by doing it
Nice video, but the whole video could have been done in just a few minutes. "Engine destroyed because customer ran out of oil because they never checked it. Not 1 engine manufacture would rebuild this engine because they are junk and won't touch them. Dealer had 50 of them in stock which tells me they are a problem and so even I won't rebuild it". "Moral of the story, check your oil every month" End of video :)
@@trvman1not everyone wants a modern take on things, such as your short attention span
@@trvman1 Doesn't YT pay more for longer videos, more ads?
@@trvman1OR, make sure you have ENOUGH oil in the engine BEFORE towing it into the dealer!
I’m surprised there aren’t more videos like these about Hyundais, a lot of people that I know had horrible experiences with them.
@user-tq2zb5sc2c i mean there is a lot of Ballers On a Budget.
Well it's because Kia/Hyundai have improved their reputation without improving their products and most people don't realize that.
A lot of folks who buy cheap cars treat them like cheap cars though too. If you take care of them they aren't that bad. People neglect their vehicles.
@@brayannexon4613 It's because nowadays they make vehicles to appeal to mainstream automotive journalists who don't give two craps about how well a vehicle holds up after even 10k miles let alone 50 or 100. If it's pretty/luxurious enough and has enough tech to make the journos go "ooh" and write a good review (which they do) Hyundai/Kia has accomplished what they set out to do.
@@pierredelecto7069 agreed. I take extreme care of mine. I'm early on literally everything.
Wizard you are absolutely right, I’ve been in almost a year and a half long fight with Hyundai corporate and a local dealership, in June of 2021 after only 11 months of ownership of a CPO 2017 Santa Fe my wife noticed that the low oil light came on, I pulled the dipstick and it was bone dry. I first called the dealership service center and they told me to add oil and bring the car in I then called the the salesman that sold me the car, he told me that it’s perfectly normal to have to add oil to your vehicle every month and that he adds oil to his bmw every month (I told him that you might want to get your car looked at because that is not normal). We started and oil consumption test and was told all I have to do is bring the car back 3 more times at 1,000 mile intervals, soon after that the dealership started playing games telling me I had to bring the car in additional times and also the tech needed to complete a “cylinder clean out” at $200 to me even though the car is covered under a 60,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty and a 100000 power train warranty from Hyundai, we do the service and leave the car with them since they said it should be very quick to either get the approval or disapproval for the repair. The car sat for a month and a half at the dealer with us calling each week for an update, finally we call corporate to find out they have no record of a warranty repair being submitted. We come to find out that they messed up the process somewhere along the line and we are now told that we have to start this process from the beginning and there is no way around it. So with no other choices we did the entire process again and finally in December of 2022 we had a “reconditioned” long block put in. I can tell you for sure that I would never want to buy another Hyundai product again, the dealership shops do not care and corporate does not care, the 2.4 liter 4 cylinder has a serious problem that they do not want to acknowledge and will try to drag the process out until you are at the point of taking a loss on the car. I was actually told by the shop manager (with a smile on his face) if I had let the engine seize up I wouldn’t have to go through all of these problems and that they would just replace it. You need to put this on your list of vehicles to avoid this and the Santa Fe with the same engine
Absolutely. Doesn’t matter how well this motor is treated, it will die an early death.
I’m glad to hear that you will never buy another Hyundai/Kia product again. Tell all your friends and family as well. 8.5 million people are in your same situation due to all their engine recalls.
My Sonata Hybrid seized and thank G-d Hyundai covered the replacement of the engine. But before it seized majorly it just died while I was driving one day after the first year I bought it new. When I took it to get looked at by the Hyundai shop they could not give me a clear reason for why it died only some kind of water hose problem. I had never had issues with any other kind of car like I did with the Hyundai and I've driven Volkswagon, Ford and Smart car. Thankfully, the private shop I originally took it to questioned why a less then 4 year new car was having engine problems. I agreed. I got rid of the lemon.
yes after 2011 but the earlier ones are excellent .
This - THIS, RIGHT HERE! IS the problem. There is no such thing as a "low oil light" on MOST cars, and SO MANY people think that's what the light is telling them! The light is basically telling you "ZERO oil pressure, STOP ENGINE NOW!!" This has happened to people I know "Oh, the oil is low, I'll just remember to get it filled up as soon as I get a chance," but that's NOT what it means at all! Sorry if I misunderstood your specific example, and I don't mean to jump on your post, but this is BASIC stuff EVERYONE should know!
My 2012 engine locked up. My local dealer replaced the engine, starter, carburate and radiator with no issue/free. But now I have electrical issues. Radio don't work and break light stays on, draining the battery.
My dear old dad used to tell me the oil is the cheapest way to protect your engine and always had me check it ..That's a sad story on that Sonata ....But I agree with your assessment.💯
My family had 2 Sonatas, both same model as the one in the video. Both ran perfectly and drove so smooth. The only problem was an occasional infotainment problem with the Bluetooth. It’s such a shame that these are apparently problematic but I’m glad our experience with these was nice
The overall quality control on Hyundais and Kias is very poor. Yes, some people have good experiences, but a lot don’t. There’s a reason you pay more for a Toyota or Honda.
No car can run on low, dirty oil.
Put in an aftermarket radio if possible. They are so much better
@@mplslawnguy3389 very true. We’ve had several JDM brands and had pleasant experiences for the most part, Nissan being the best overall for us if you can believe that
I also had a few Hyundais and never had any problems.
My 17 year old nephew got his learner’s permit to drive and soon will be shopping for his first car. Extremely intelligent kid but has never turned or held a wrench and hates to get his hands dirty. His dad is the same way and his stepdad pays people to do everything on his and my sister’s cars. I hope someone other than me shows the kid how to do basic car maintenance or handle emergency situations in a pinch. I’d love for him to be able to change his own oil or at least check it along with tire pressure, fluid levels etc. like my dad showed me how to do as we bonded 50+ years ago. The boy is a master at video games, social media, schoolwork etc. Unfortunately, I think we’re raising a generation of kids these days without mechanical or practical skills and it’s sad.
Thank you Wizard for helping these customers honestly and for not charging them a dime to let them know this car is totaled and not mocking or bashing them for doing it. We don’t know their life situation or level of skill. Hopefully they can come up with a solution at this point (perhaps sell the car for parts?)
One of the most sensible & fundamental video I have ever seen regarding Car ownership. I am from India and here, the awareness level of Car owners is even lower. They’ll just drive n drive for as long as the Car doesn’t cough then just become a sheep & drag their car to the mechanic who’ll either rip them off by doing cheap quality work or charge exorbitantly. Basic car care is extremely easy & accessible which can save a lot of money & trouble for the owners. Thanks for posting this video, please keep going with such videos that help in educating Car owners about the basics.
12:42 this is the same problem with electronics repair. Most of the times it’s not repairable, and even if it is repairable, the parts cost will essentially end up costing as much as a good used unit, if not more
Hey wizard, you saved me from a bad purchase on the range rover sport, thanks brother. The sonata is spot on I had 2012 sx optima with 79000 miles. And it drove great the first 5 miles from the dealership driveline. But when I got it home the engine had a light knock. Next day took it to the dealer repair. They said it was the gdi pump.........ok now I sold cars for Kia few years before. So that was b.s. anyway took it home and it drove normal. When I wanted to take my daughters out for ice cream. Not 3 miles from the house the engine knocked, squeeked and sized on i4 in Orlando. Me , wife and 3 girls on a interstate with no emergency lane. They are all garbage engines. It's like mass produced crap to keep supply up when they inevitably fail. Great story keep em comin 👏 👌
i had a similar problem but i skipped only one oil change. i checked it after and the dipstick was dry. i obviously added oil and took it to get an oil change as my dealer said they couldn’t have time for an appointment. I went through the process of them running tests and days without a car, all for them to say i need a 500 cleaning that would or wouldn’t fix it. I sold it for a decent price before i had to go through hyundais horrible excessive oil consumption tests. if you have a similar problem, sell it before the engine starts knocking or blows up.
I had this happen to my 2015 Kia Soul, luckily I did take it to my dealer for oil changes as per manufacturer instructions, and after dropping it off at dealership service department they finally replaced part of the engine as I did take it in for the recall! Since the dealership took 5 months to finally honor the warranty, I already bought a Honda to replace it. Sold that Kia a month after I got it back
GOOD Job!
How long did it take them to do the diagnostic? After a month they're supposed to offer you a free loaner car for you to drive while the car awaits the diagnostic. It took my Hyundai dealership three months to do my diagnostic but they loaned me a car for free after the first month.
I hope you didn't buy a Honda with the 1.5t engine. Those have issues with dumping gas into the oil and blowing the head gasket prematurely. Hondas in general have been having problems with AC systems failing annually as well. Probably should have bought another Hyundai for the much better warranty.
I've been fighting with Kia for over a year with a transmission issue under warranty. I have a claim number with corporate. So far 2 trannys, a ECM, lots of adjustments and hocus pocus and it STILL has the same problem. Corporate refuses to return my 5 ( so far) phone calls. REALLY disappointed with a company that by all appearances was one of the better ones. Hey, at least I get a loaner car while they play with it !
@@johnschofield9496 Can't you Lemon Law the car and force them to buy it back after multiple repair attempts?
My wife had a ‘10 Kia forte with the 2.4 and it spun a main bearing at 107k. Dealer gave me similar quotes on short and long blocks. I ended up sticking a used motor with 65k in it for $850 and had it up and running in under 12 hours. We traded it in a couple months later on a new car for her.
Hello Car Wizard, firstly, let me say that I am very grateful for what you do here, smiles for many miles indeed. I just got my 2015 Hyundai Sonata back from the dealer, after getting the engine replaced at no fee, other than the two serpentine belts that were due. The motor just stopped after turning onto the street I live on, coasted as far as possible, made it onto a side street, and later used it as a leg press machine alternative, pushing it up the incline to get it in to a place where the road was flat. And it began to collect parking tickets as options were considered. The battery wouldn't take a charge, ....so when Hyundai was called, it was after the mechanic I had it towed to told me the motor was gone. Mine is in great shape, at least, this is what every single person that has been inside it tells me. The engine is a flawed design, whether or not the flaw was due to many assumptions being made in its design, which would be in line with how Hyundai began, but you are fully on point with your decision. It wasn't a car I would have chosen on my own, neither was that rather generic 2014 Jetta I had for a year. If you hear about the equivalent of a nuclear level industry shaking event happening northeast of you.....bigger than 2008, in the insurance industry....that would be me.
Did you have the 2.4L or 2.0T? I have a 2.0T from the same year and this is very concerning. I got the Service Campaign 953 so I at least qualify for the lifetime warranty, still pretty concerning.
I had an engine replaced by Hyundai on an old sonata. The deal was the car had to "die" and they would check the" codes". I received a replacement engine and intake manifold with a lot of persistence.
My sister had this happen to her on the highway. The engine died and was leaking oil, but her husband is a mechanic and make sure that thing is serviced way before it needs to be and that I think saved her in the end, allowing her to get a free brand new engine in a 10 year old car
Always good info from the Wizard, and nice not to charge them. They already have a big issue to deal with, with a mechanically totaled ride.
Wizard wouldn’t be in business long, not charging for his work
With all those foreigns he’s got in his garage Im sure he can afford to give these lovely people a break.
I’m
@@arvbergstedt3303 your fucking hilarious
@@bmichelin1574 ima seein sarcasm right here yo
Common problem with Hyundai and Kia with the blown engines. I had to replace my engine and luckily it was covered by the recall. Changed oil regularly, checked it every Saturday morning, and the engine still went. The 2.0 liter turbo and the 2.4 are just bad engines. Hopefully, Hyundai and Kia will remedy this issue.
I wouldn't hold my breath. They're still crapping out cars that blow engines early and they've known about the issue for a decade. They know what they're doing. If they can cheap out on manufacturing costs, and move enough volume, they can save money in the long run even with all the recalls and their 100k powertrain warranty. Techs only get paid 6 hours for replacing these engines and they're cheaply made so they can afford to throw you a couple new engines until your warranty runs out. You still paid upwards of 20k for the car that cost a fraction of that to slap together.
@@henlo1910Exactly! To manufacturers like Hyundai/Kia, it's the cost of doing business.
Are 1.6 liters non turbo engines good?
No! Mine is blown. I’m at the bank forfeiting the junk right now. It’ll cost 2x the value of the car to repair it.
The sad thing about Hyundai is they not built to last my mom bought a 2011 brand new and ended up getting rid of it because of too many issues then she ended up getting a 2015 which only lasted her eight years then the motor crapped out It’s amazing that these cars are still being sold with all the problems they have.
My buddy has this exact car, same year, same engine. It has around 110k miles and it's been very good to him so far, but he's good at keeping up with maintenance. I actually changed the spark plugs in it for him last year, it was super easy to do.
Hopefully he got a good engine. Many from factory were just junk.
You go by the book on maintenance and it’ll still be crap.
@@djncrti2860 pretty sure he goes 5k between oil changes
@@1mlb704 Tell him to trade it in, it's going to fail anyway
Just tell him to watch his oil usage, it starts fast and gets bad quick. Maintenance helps, but they still suck. If it's ok now it'll probably be using a lot of oil near 150k, where you need to add some or else it gets dangerous.
Part of the problem is that cars today are so much more reliable than they were fifteen or twenty years ago. Most drivers just see them as something that just works, and routine maintenance gets left behind.
Excatly, I feel like basic maintenance and pre use inspection should be taught in driving school
False. Most cars today are not gonna run 200k+ miles like cars 20 years ago.
Also that on never cars, there's often not even a physical dip-stick for the engine or gearbox oil anymore and you need to go to the dealership and have them do it and reset the car ECU..
Cars were way better 20 years ago less electrics cheaper to maintain.
That is no excuse for laziness or stupidity. Especially at the cost of new vehicles.
Essentially the work to replace the engine is much more then what the car is worth. It’s why whenever I change the oil in customers’ cars at work I set any built in reminders to 5,000 miles. And usually my own method (and the one I recommend to customers at work) is check your oil (and any other accessible fluids like power steering or Transmission fluid) every time when you refuel; they have paper towels with the windshield squeegee just for that purpose!
Yeah I think the most I’ve changed it on a a hyundai palisade was 5,000 and that was us having to go over due to appointments I do try to stick to 3-4,000 max. But the v6 from hyundai is a completely polar opposite from that theta 2 4 cylinder crap.
The Chevrolet Equinox and GMC Terrain is the same way. Especially the 2.4 liter engine. Also the Chevrolet Cruze with the 1.4 turbo is the same exact way.
You should be able to find a used motor for that and swap it out for less than 6k
@@dantonliam like the Wizard mentioned, he doesn’t want the risk of installing a used engine, only for the NEW engine to shit the bed in the EXACT same way like the old engine did!
5000 mile reminder may be a bit too long of an interval. People don't just rush in for an oil change as soon as it alerts. They'll probably go for another 1000 miles after that before they actually bring it in.
I had an absolutely gorgeous red 2016 Hyundai sonata. Ran flawlessly with no problems. However because of the theta issues that I heard so much about, and the car was prone to be installing because of the social media foolishness. I finally sold it sadly last week. I miss that car but replaced it with a 2020 Honda Accord. Which immediately made me happy after it got 46 mi to the gallon compared to the sonata getting 33 milesvt9 the gallon.
In the UK when taking your driving test you will be asked the following,
As part of your driving test you will be asked to explain how you would perform under the bonnet technical checks for oil, coolant, windscreen washer fluid and brake fluid. You will be asked to open the bonnet and show where you would check for each.
So there is hope for the next generation of drivers.
Bonnet 😂
Used to be pretty common that every time you fill up the gas tank, you check the oil while the pump is running. I see barely anyone doing that anymore. That one simple habit could easily prevent situations like this. (Incidentally, this is a good argument for full-service gas stations to make a comeback; the attendant checks that stuff for you including topping off the washer fluid...)
Equality! 🙂 There are articles about it in the the various MSM Rags that a certain section of the public would blame full service attendance for messing up their vehicle and then gas stations were held viable since they opened up the hood
@@MickeyMishra That plus components of gasoline are carcinogenic. It's not much of a problem with the exposure you get occasionally fueling your vehicle, but if you are exposed to it all day every day, it can be a problem.
Years ago I had a chance to buy a Hyundai with just over 100,000 miles on it and the body was nearly perfect. The interior was super clean, and all it needed was a new engine.
I called a buddy who owned a junk yard to price another engine. He said that is the problem. He had several really nice Hyundai, Cars, Vans, and SUVs. They all had bad engines.
Put a non-Hyundai engine in it. Maybe a Honda engine.
@@hazelwood55 I was just thinking of the same thing. It would just require more work like swapping the engine harness and ECU to make it all work. But the main thing to figure out would be in finding the ideal engine that fits and lines up with the stock engine mounts with minimal modifications.
@@hazelwood55 put a 1.9 TDI in it.
Yeah, a used Hyundai engine is $6k and a used Camry engine is $1,500. with a lot less miles. Why? Because there are more Camry wrecks than blown engines. Hyundai has more blown engines than they can replace.
I guess I am the sole person ALIVE in this country that has had 4 (yes FOUR) Korean cars in the last 20 YEARS (Hyundai Elantra, Kia Soul+, Kia Forte, and Hyundai Kona) - stretching from 2002 until now - WITH ZERO (0) PROBLEMS / Issues. Each car I bought new - drove over 120K (except for the '21 Kona that we still own with 37K on the odometer) - the latter 3 cars each had 1 (one) car battery, one (1) set of tires and scheduled maintenance by the book. IN 20 YEARS I HAVE HAD NO ISSUES WHATSOEVER - AT ALL. Oh, I forgot to mention, I did have to replace a rear turn signal bulb on the Forte - that set me back $1.50.
When I first started driving, I got into the habit of checking the oil and coolant level (if there's a see-through bottle) every time I put gas in the vehicle. Since I've owned a number of vehicles that burned oil, I'm sure that simple habit has saved me several engines.
best time to check the oil is in the morning before you start it that way half the oil wont be in the top of the motor
That was the standard even three decades ago, if you got gas. the jockey would ask if you want oil fluid check, since all the stations are self serve now every driver should check themselves when they fill up.
@@shaunnesbit1698 Just follow what the owner's manual says. Honda owner manuals say to check the oil level when warm, by waiting a few minutes after shutting the engine off. So in Honda's case, it should be at the top of the dipstick even with the rest of the oil up in the engine, as obviously that is how the engine operates when it's running.
I suggest you check with another dealership to see if they'll file warranty for you.
I had the same issue on a 2015 Sonata SE mode I bougth at 44k miles. I never serviced it at the dealership. Noticed that I had to keep adding oil and took it to the dealer at 125k miles. They did an oil change, asked me to take it to them every 1k miles to check the level. After the 3rd time they filed a warranty claim for me that day and it was replaced w/in a week. Oh, and no, it does not give you a low-engine oil warning when the car is burning oil. I only noticed b/c I checked it periodically but nothing ever showed up on the dash.
The issue I'm having now after about 2 yrs is that I took it 1yr ago for a software update and I think it caused a computer issue. 1 out of 5-10 times I start the car and start driving the car will not accellerate and revs up a lot, then it also feels like the transmission is not getting into gear. I then just pull over, turn off the car for 5-10 seconds, restart it and it drives perfect from then on.
Took it to the dealer but it didn't do the fault when they test drove it a couple of times. Any ideas what it could be? I think it might be software.
Did you find out what it was? My old Altima had that and it was the transmission
LOL! I had a Hyundai Sonata in front of me yesterday, at a traffic light, and the bumper was covered in exhaust... on acceleration, you'd swear it was a diesel! Not long for the road...
Glad you made this video i have a'13 Elantra with the ticking noise took it to dealer for a diagnostic which cost me $225 only to confirm the bearing issue. Dealer refused to replace engine. Went to Hyundai corporate and filed a claim they refused to replace it also. Only have 82,000 miles,kept up with oil changes,I'm the 2nd owner bought it with 51,000 noise didn't start until around 60,000. I noticed at the dealer crates of new engines stored also. There should be a Federal investigation into Hyundai in my opinion this problem with their engines has been going on almost 20 years yet they keep putting them in their vehicles. Subsidies for them to build new plants in the U.S should be cut off unless they refine their engine designs and overhaul their manufacturing processes. This was my first and last Hyundai/Kia product.
You really hit the nail on the head with the EV comment.
Unfortunately, people are raised to not take responsibility for their actions much less their cars.
What a surprise they will have when they realize EVs aren’t maintenance free either.
might be even worse. if you bought a Tesla and something's wrong and need repair. you have to take it to a Tesla dealership and a lot of people live very very far away.
EV's arent maintenance free but they are still significantly cheaper overall as far as maintenance. The only issue is that right to repair is under attack massively so its almost impossible for independent repair shops to work on them, assuming you can even find a shop with techs that even know how to work on them.
@@Ayn-Rand-Is-Dead EVs have a smaller carbon footprint over the average 200,000 mile lifespan than any gas car according to various peer reviewed studies, and thats running off coal powered planets. The only issue with EVs is that the batteries are currently set to expire in much greater numbers than our current recycling facilities can handle. Most of the material in the battery can be reused or the whole battery itself used for something like long term storage in solar/wind farms.
How about instead of saying "Oh this will never work" we actually think about the benefits and explore options to save out planet instead of continuing to sit on our hands and do nothing?
@@seanangelo7950 Studies are not done by people who work on cars and are unbaised.
@@adamnugent2137There aren't Tesla dealers anywhere, there authorized centers, some maybe owned by Tesla, but others are just licensed and can perform most services. In the US they are quite common since Tesla is one of the most popular brands. Some areas maybe a bit far away, but same would go for any BMW or Land Rover, which are way less popular.
How do you NOT check the oil when you notice a problem and especially before taking it to the dealer?
I was married for 17 years. After our divorce my wife bought a brand-new Toyota Corolla. The engine locked-up solid at *30-something thousand miles* as she never did ANY maintenance, including bothering to check or change the oil. I can't blame her 100% as I'd always done the maintenance on her car(s) when we were together. We remain amicable and she said the mechanic who installed a used engine told her that her dipstick didn't show the presence of any motor oil at all!
Brother, you can blame her for that all you want. Oil change=common sense.
@@tooltime9260 What's the point of *ME* blaming her? She's already learned her lesson from it. She bought the car that she THOUGHT would require the least maintenance; a bone-stock, almost zero-option Corolla. Heck, it (1998 model year) even had the old 3spd automatic and manually winding windows!
@@Matt_from_Florida wow...how on earth does one kill a 98 Corolla! I think here in Germany they would take your license away for that :-D
My 2013 sonata did the same thing last year, low oil, running out before my oil change, and the engine siezed on me last may. A few months after I had the dealership do an oil consumption test and tell me it was fine. At 125,000 miles hyundai ended up replacing my motor for free through the recall and paid for my rental while in the shop. Here today looking for a eps fix now 🤦♀️
I had a Hyundai with one of those engines. Mine burned crazy amounts of oil. I check my oil regularly and it was very difficult to keep it topped up and it used expensive oil too. I always made sure the oil was filled up before taking it in for service. Eventually sold it to Vroom for way more than it was worth. A guy I know at work did the dealer warranty engine replacement and didn’t get his car back for 6 months. I’d stay away from Hyundais personally. It was an ok car otherwise but that’s about it.
My 2006 blew...same reason. I hadn't been driving (wife, 2 kids did) and I just didn't follow up with them if they were actually checking the oil so I can take blame for that much. This was about 10 years ago, and I had my mechanic rebuild it (6 cylinder) for $3500 (+-). Believe it or not it's still running ... my son has it.
For a car like this, I'd put a used low mile engine in it, change the timing set to the updated components immediately. After that, keep up on maintenance, and it should be fine. No need to junk a decent car. As you said - Nobody changes the oil, or stops when the lights come on. That's the main issue, even with crappy cars. Some inherently burn oil bad, but Once a week when filling up, checking the fluids would help to save the bottom end until it's fixed.
"Crappy cars", perfect description of a Hyundai/Kia!
BS my Hyundai sotana always had oil did all the maintenance & that peace of shit broke down at 129k miles engines are trash
He didnt wanna fix it and gas lit the customer then made a whole video to gaslight all of us too. There's plenty of places selling reman 2.4L engines for $4500
@@ChrisConley1 So you are saying a remanfuctured engine could have saved only $1000 off the bill, when you factor in the cost of all the labor and other parts and tax, and you think that should have made him want to spend more fixing it than it was worth?
@jimbob3030 it's worth about $12000. Probably more with a new engine.
Love your honest reviews and car repairs. I have 2022 Kia Sportage EX with a 2.4 and every time I see or hear about a engine problem with a Hyundai or Kia I almost get sick. These are not expensive cars by todays average car prices but they aren't cheap either and 25k for a car should guarantee a little reliability. I am frantic about checking/changing my oil and listening to how the car sounds. Most vehicles I've owned last 10-15 years and I'm still driving a 99 Chevy Blazer. I just hope my Kia will last half that long.
The 2.4 theta engines are notorious for consuming oil. You have to keep up with meticulous oil changes at precise intervals as well as run some type of combustion chamber cleaning atleast every 40 to 50k miles
A decent high speed thrash every week helps...
after you check the oil level of course...
@@JohnSmith-yv6eq lol that could help. But unfortunately these engines were designed with full synthetic in mind but were prescribed conventional by the manufacturer. Now they recommend synthetic, but a 10k service interval between oil changes is insane. Oh and if you use anything but a OEM oil filter you are guaranteed problems. Seriously. I've seen quick change mom n pop shops come and buy filters by the case to keep their customers happy and on the road
@@JohnSmith-yv6eq nope. It’s a GDI engine and doesn’t have mpi combined with it like newer versions. Which means no fuel is being sprayed on the intake valves. So they carbon up and “thrashing” won’t do it any good because the fuel isn’t being sprayed to clean them off it’s directly going into the cylinder.