A lot of people saying "what about HWInfo 64?" - that's fair question. Its not something I have used in a long time and maybe its time to see. What Im looking for is very useful CSVs and something that doesnt cause any hit to resources when logging. I dont know if I would fall under "commercial" as far as they are concerned using it in my videos, but I will see what they say. Edit: this is why I love the open source community... devs are already working on my suggestions! github.com/LibreHardwareMonitor/LibreHardwareMonitor/issues/1393
i love hwinfo 64 in sensor mode it does more than any of the hardware monitor programs showing all sorts of temps including mem temps if the memory has a temp sensor. and of course you can run the full mode and get complete system breakdown including ram chips named, bios version, etc. but if uyou just want the watts and temps you can customise hwinfo 64 to not show the ones you dont want, or just leave those ones closed and keep open the ones you're interested in. also, it shows min, max and average temps and you can clear those when you want without closing it.
i use hwinfo64 personally and my old company used to use it as well, the logging from what i remember is good. and if you open it with "sensor only" its identical to hardware monitor
i use hwinfo 64 all the time it supposedly has a log thing but i never tried it i only ran it long enough to check temps while doing stress test then closed it its pretty good for what it is tho since you can set it to show stuff in the taskbar/widgets (windows 7/vista days not sure if it still works nowadays since i disable all the junk that comes with windows 10/11) along with changing the speed it updates (i change mine to 100ms so it updates temps/volts/etc super fast so i know exactly when/if im throttling/overheating [if i do have those issues])
9:58 "So even MSI Afterburner does not show Hotspot. That's important, too. Because that's a hidden value..." And that my friends, is the exact reason why MSI AB does not show Hotspot temperatures. It is a hidden value and MSI AB is bound to official sensors only due to licensing. But if you use the accompanied RTSS to create your OSD you can monitor the GPU hotspot with "GPU temperature 2". RTSS is not bound to that official MSI Licence (under Nvidia scrutiny) and therefor can provide that sensor data.
This is super helpful for folks that actually do utliize a large percentage of the GPU. Pingin off the rev limiter for too long isn't good for yer hot rod car's engine, or yer overclocked graphics processing engine. Lol! All we get with compute hardware is sensor monitoring, since audio cues can all be the same fan profile well before thermal damage occurs. This is a great comment you have here! Well said! Hidden GOLD right here.
Also for any additional system data that MSI AB doesn't show, you can just import the data feeds from HWiNFO running in the background straight into AB (properties - monitoring tab - three dots - hwinfo plugin - setup - add - selected the desired data; make sure the HWiNFO is running in the background and the Shared Memory Support is checked on). I'm hoping the Libre will be supported in the future as well since this data import turns itself off in the HWiNFO after 12 hours in the non-paid version.
Thanks Jay. I'm an Excel jockey for a living. If you have a number it will be right aligned in a cell/column. If that column is not wide enough to display the number then you will see ####### in the cell as you saw. You can double click the header border between that column and the one to the right to autofit the column width. As to Y axis on charts I wouldn't say every chart should have 0 as the lower limit. It depends on the data. For example, if you have values between 100,000 and 101,000 and the min on the Y axis is 0 you chart line is going to be essentially flat making any movement over time imperceivable. Where as if the Y axis is 99,000 to 102,000 you will see the line move up/down over the X axis values. That's why Excel (and many charting packages) will try and predict/automate the lower/upper range on the Y axis so that they line(s) have some perceivable movement up/down across time.
Im not an Excel/Spreadsheet jockey, but ive used them enough to at least know that much :P Granted. It does throw me off abit if ive not seen it in a while, and takes me a second to realize whats going on.
Finally! Thanks for finding this. Usage Tip: You can hover over either side of the graph and use the scroll wheel to adjust the graph. Also right click and/or arrow keys to move it around.
I agree with Fan Control, I deshrouded my 2070 super when the fans started to die and replaced them with 120's and Fan control allowed me to use the GPU's temperature sensor to control the 120's (using a motherboard fan pinout because the fans were not compatible to the GPU fan header pins) and now my GPU is as cool if not cooler but at the same time very quiet compared to the original. Super valuable software to optimize noise levels, air flow and positive pressure.
you´re absolutely right UndercoverPirate69. FanControl is one of the best free software ever. @those with problems after updating fan control: just play a little around with that software. Press fan calibration and sensor check, what ever. Then it should find your fans or sensors again 🙂 In my case it worked, doing something like that. I can´t remember anymore what i exactly did. It happend a few month ago when the update destroyed the config.
The fan software was definitely not clickbait. I have been using that since you did your video. Its on 3 PC's in my house and works flawlessly on all. I even donated to the dev.
It helped with my ASUS prebuilt machine, that was okay in everything, except cooling. Louder on average (before I changed cooling system), but keeps the CPU in comfortable temp range.
most of the time I'm guilty of being a touch cynical of Jay, but I am humbled, on occasion by these style videos. Jay definitely deserves his corner of the internet IMO. many thanks for your addition to the community.
Been using this for years. Jay didn't mention: it offers an onscreen desktop widget, where you can select just a couple/few/handful of sensors important to you and stick in a 1" or 2" box in a corner...handy (for me anyway). Tiny bonus - you can also control you fan speeds (at least 6 different I think), but just a fixed for each, by % ... no temp adjust control.
16:10 the column of hashes just means that the column isn't wide enough to support the requested info (typically with numbers and dates) just manually widen the column and it comes good.
Everyone that tries this should donate $2 to the dev.... That would give him incentive to do some of the upgrades Jay was mentioning. (Dark mode, plot changes, shift click select, etc). Edit: apparently github sponsors have a min of $2. Originally suggested $1.
"Nobody has rights to it" is not how open source works. The copyright is always owned by the person who created the code. Even if that person isn't restricting any use of it.
16:12 IE the cell is too narrow to display the data - resizing the cell wider (or double clicking to auto-resize) fixes this Interestingly, this sometimes happens at specific zoom levels and not others. _Also_, they're not hash_tags_, they're just hashes. There is no associated tag. :b
Best part... as of 9hrs ago - 3 out of 8 suggestions have been built into the code base by contributors (not closing dropdowns, one CSV per session, Auto Resize) and many others are at work :D
Beware of Excel's max data display size when making long .csvs. I don't think .csv, .dat, or .txt have any size limits, but .xlsx and Excel do. 1,048,576 rows by 16,384 columns
I love the you are supporting the openSource community - and giving quality requests...be us developers often don't know what is most desired...those requests are super easy to implement. Was gonna do them but they are already being worked on! Nice.
Hashes are due to the column width being too narrow to display the data. You can double click on the right hand edge of the top of the column to auto resize it to show all of the data in the field, or right click in the column and select 'column width'.
16:23 The reason your date/Time is showing as hashtags is because the cell to narrow to display the entire value. What you need to do is bring your mouse to the top of the column, then hover over the border between the two columns. Your pointer should change to an arrow symbol which is an indicator that you can click and drag to increased the cell width.
I'm sensing some sarcasm LMAO Mans recommending software that he's not FULLY happy with, without knowing about HWiNFO64 and its abilities. Also, using Edge and Bing, ugh that was tough 🤣
On the graphs in LHM, if you hold CTRL down you can then manipulate the graphs by zooming in and out with the mouse wheel. And depending on where on the graph also impacts on what you're zooming, plus you can allow or disallow the X or Y axis to be zoomed - like for example make it so that the Time axis(x-axis) doesn't zoom in or out. Also the arrow-keys does things with the graphs. It takes a little experimenting, but once you have a feel for it what you can do is pretty neat. Much of the same functionality is in Open Hardwaremonitor.
Edge is fine, runs on Chromium. But Bing is total crap, i dare you to try a websearch through Windows search bar. I wish it could be changed to Google but thats apparently not possible.
Excel shows hash tags, aka "picket fences", when the cell is too narrow to display the entire contents. Quick resolution: Press and release Alt, then key O C A. (Auto-fit cell width.) A quick way to change the format from the date and time to just the date is to use Ctrl Shift 3 (or Ctrl #), which will yield a default time format, but only for the selected cells (or columns). Shortcut for "format cells": Ctrl 1.
Jay, as a developer who deals with QA analysts/teams on a daily basis I cringe a little when you say "I need you guys that are smarter than me yada yada" because it takes A LOT of brain power to figure out how anyone could screw the entire software experience by doing something us devs and product managers could not predict... So I have A LOT of respect for what you all have to say... Please don't belittle yourself! I cannot and will not be in the foreseeable future capable of doing what a QA professional is capable of doing as stated on the job description!
Agreed! I did QA for some 20 years, I get frustrated when people put themselves down doing QA. Different disciplines than programing but equally brainy :)
I'm just sitting here watching Jay explaining in painstaking detail how to download something from Github and thinking "lol who'd fuck something like that up?" when I remember Linus.
@@melaniejason3912 It was back in the Linux challenge a couple years ago. To be fair, what he was downloading didn't have a release page and he needed one specific file from the repo. At the time, the only way to download individual files from GitHub repos was to open the file in a new tab, and then save the page. Since then they added an option to download raw files in response to that.
I want to thank you for making content for users and everyone! So glad to see a team that never focuses on money or expansion. You probably know who I mean but I don't watch them anymore. I hope you and everyone working there has a good day!
Thank you jay for the knowledge you have been giving me I’m new to the pc world and I have been watching you for about a month now I’m building my first pc soon and have been relying on your info to guide me
I use HWInfo 64 but I really don't need to monitor temps and power that much to use a different tool. Once I confirm stability and initial temps I just don't need to see temperatures, voltages, etc anymore. Thanks for showing us another option! Always good to see free utilities. I still use Fan Control to this day since you recommended it. I donated to the dev as well for that.
Dark mode exists now: it will auto select it if that is the system default, or you can enable it manually. So is controlling the plot area, there are settings if you right click on the graph, and you can scroll when your mouse is hovering the graph area.
Excel shows cell values as hashtags when the cell is not wide enough to show all its contents (And the content is numerical in some form). As when you changed the format, you shorten what it shows, and therefor it now fits the cell size. If you want it to show the whole value, move the mouse pointer to the divider between the cells (in the column header), and then dubble click. It will widen the cell to fit the widest of cell data in the column to the left of the pointer.
16:12 - Column a does that because the date and time are larger than the column width so it doesn't have enough room. Another option, especially when logging for multiple days, is to simple select Format from the Ribbon bar at the top and select "Auto-Fit Column Width" from the drop down. That SHOULD fix it. Only other reason that I've seen for it is Excel not recognizing the data format so it doesn't know how to display it correctly but I kinda doubt that's it.
Add "Windows Update Minitool" and "O&O ShutUp10++" to this list ;-) First one let's you take control on what and where to update and second makes your Win10/11 MUCH more private
Hey J... the hashtags just indicate that the column is to narrow. To show all the data click the column then do Alt H, O, I in that sequence it will auto fit the width of the column based on the highest amount of data in a given cell in that column! Cheers!
I already have a fork with dark mode working and publicly available releases. TH-cam won't let me link it here but if you look at the link in the description and go to "Pull Requests" and scroll down you will see my PR with a link to the release with dark mode included.
Just off topic, when J talked about °F and °C its should be centigrade for science. In the UK we've got used to using centigrade. Confusingly we buy petrol/gas in litres then talk about miles per gallon!
11:20 (CPUID) HWMonitor does include PCIe throughput reporting. My most recent use was to ensure a second GPU (i.e., multi-GPU for science-y stuff) wouldn't be bottlenecked when I assembled a new(er) PC. A few generations ago, you could find several low high-end consumer motherboards (and maybe one or two mid tier) featuring the ability to have x16 or x8/x8 for expansion slot PCIe lanes. With the latest generations, such as AM5, x8/x8 is rare, and only on the high-high end (~>$500) motherboards. Most are (at best) limited to either x16 or x8/x4.
What RGB app other than openRGB? want to use linux, but openRGB broke my RAM Tforce delta ARGB, got it RMA'd now I'm on windows just because I don't want it to puke rainbows..
16:10 Does that because it is trying to show the long format date/time or perhaps the decimal representation of time that Excel actually uses behind the scenes, and the column isn't wide enough, so all the #### is basically there to tell you it doesn't have the space to display what it is trying to show.
100C = 212F. My i7-6700 has yet to exceed 140F. Not real fucking hard to keep track of. But if you need things to be simple enough for a 3rd grader, I won't judge.
16:14 In order to fix the ####### on excel, just make the column width bigger. Either by double clicking the column end edge or by dragging it to the right
Another improvment on Libre would be to be able to reorder the sensor displays. I would want CPU at the top, followed by GPU, etc. Also, dark mode is a necessity in all software. I will happily stay with HWinfo if only for the comfort factor.
The way they did it is with a custom control set and from what i can see to hold order and reorder it. Is not supported anywhere and would have to be override properties and methods or extended. Which would be a lot of work
I already have a fork with dark mode working and publicly available releases. TH-cam won't let me link it here but if you look at the link in the description and go to "Pull Requests" and scroll down you will see my PR with a link to the release with dark mode included.
Yes but it is a fork. My other account can’t post for whatever reason so. There are many people involved. And i do not see a pr to the main repo. I have looked at then all day.
It shows hashtags because the column is too narrow to display the entire date-time field. You can expand the column to fix the issue, or reformat the data as you did.
I love how Jay sees the zip file and highlights that the code is downloadable, when the whole page is a repo on github and so is intrinsically downloadable through the 'Code' button at the top of the page
Jay gets all excited then wants to share what he found with us. I love his enthusiasm but it means he also talks about things before he understands and the video becomes a "Learn with Jay" You can change the zoom on the plot to increase the scale rather than use auto.
Hey Jay, Excel show the "Hash" symbol in a cell when the value can't fit in the "Width" or "Height" of that particular cell. Just double click on the column adjustment area and it will auto fit the width. Cheers.
You must be new around the computer temp measuring community no one uses Fahrenheit here and never have it also started mostly US based too. Most software products don’t even have option of Fahrenheit. Honestly though a big part of it is that computer temps are fully within a 0-100C range with 100C being too hot. So it just works out nicely. The opposite is true for weather where most weather is within the 0-100F range for Fahrenheit. Outliers mean a bad day so Fahrenheit works better for daily temps. The fact that water freezes or boils at x temperature doesn’t really matter for your daily life. Most people just boil water by heating it and waiting for it to visibly boil and whether it’s below freezing out doesn’t matter as much as it seems, especially in places where your below freezing most of the winter.
This was a great video! I would be interested in more videos about lesser known open source software that people might want. Maybe not even always good ones, but perhaps you looking at them and showing what could be improved would be really great.
And it supports shared memory to read out all its information and then you can also make a webserver serving all HWiNFO information. Of course someone already did it and it works really well. Also with JSON.
Half of this video introduces us to and praises this free utility, the other half is a laundry list of requests he wants the developers to add to it. 😂
No, Jay said he hopes that those of us who know development can add those features... because it's FOSS. He never said he wanted the original dev to do anything. Clean your ears.
The fact that by the time I saw this video and decided sure I'll make those fixes for you, shouldn't be that complicated to do, and there are already PR-s for that exact thing from 18 hours ago, jesus :D They're at it quite fast
I used hwmonitor for years just fine but people said It's wrong you must use hwinfo. Now I am being told nah that's no good you need this brand new thing instead. Every single one of these i keep being told are wrong and to get the new one all show the exact same readings. You might not be sponsored by them but it is so clearly just a shit post video to get easy money from youtube and a sponsor ad placement video lol. Got too many sponsors lined up with no video idea so time to shit out another "no guys this is what you need for real this time" video. People wonder why the average persons computer gets so much bloat and trash on it look no further than youtube tech channels constantly telling people to download new software for one pointless reason or another. Oh well at least it's not as far down as the fps boost youtube "guides" this platform is plagued with lol
Or project leaders who just don't want these changes because they have a different vision for the software, which is valid but it can be really annoying.
It's showing hashes because the default width of the column is too small. Double clicking the small line between column A&B (the top row) will resize to fit all values
Hello, thanks, finally somebody noticed this software that i'm using for years with lots of pleasure and satisfaction. But hey, i don't understand, you guys didn't talk about the gadget and the fact that on a second screen you could have a tiny monitor windows of CPU-GPU temps/pump speed/water temp and other fans speed in real-time. Like good old CPU Temp. It's a great feature to me.
Had I not known about Libre HM and Fan Control, I probably wouldn't have got so obsessed with cooling and got on this kick about upgrading my fans. I'm sure Noctua loves this stuff. :)
I use System Monitor Sensor for RAM usage, CPU usage/frequency/temperature and network activity on my KDE panel. Super handy to have that info available with a glance and drop down menus show a bit more detailed stuff.
The reason Excel show you hash characters in the first column is because a CSV import uses default column widths and the content of the first column is too wide. Making the column wider or reformatting to make the result fit in the default column width will solve that.
Im a big fan of aquasuit using it for years with a fan controler of them. Very nice to monitor, set up alarms if something fails or even create custom overlays to show data on screens for your waterloop.
been using it for almost a year now, had to change from Open Hardware monitor because it doesn't read 12''th gen+ intel. Great piece of software, run it on all my systems. Also, you didn't do it justice. I use this because of it's neat Gadget tool, where I have all the stats I want to monitor on a cool small "DARK GREY" gadget that doesn't flashbang you. Throw it on my secondary monitor and glance at it occasionally to see how my pc is doing.
cheers Jay, i've been using Open Hardware Monitor for years and found that with my current CPU and Mobo that i was missing info i used to get. I'll definitely be picking Libre up
A lot of people saying "what about HWInfo 64?" - that's fair question. Its not something I have used in a long time and maybe its time to see. What Im looking for is very useful CSVs and something that doesnt cause any hit to resources when logging. I dont know if I would fall under "commercial" as far as they are concerned using it in my videos, but I will see what they say.
Edit: this is why I love the open source community... devs are already working on my suggestions!
github.com/LibreHardwareMonitor/LibreHardwareMonitor/issues/1393
i love hwinfo 64 in sensor mode it does more than any of the hardware monitor programs showing all sorts of temps including mem temps if the memory has a temp sensor. and of course you can run the full mode and get complete system breakdown including ram chips named, bios version, etc. but if uyou just want the watts and temps you can customise hwinfo 64 to not show the ones you dont want, or just leave those ones closed and keep open the ones you're interested in. also, it shows min, max and average temps and you can clear those when you want without closing it.
HWINFO64 + RTSS is a good combo for all the info and having overlays on/off for when gaming
i use hwinfo64 personally and my old company used to use it as well, the logging from what i remember is good. and if you open it with "sensor only" its identical to hardware monitor
I've found it really, really useful for managing my finicky 13600k
i use hwinfo 64 all the time
it supposedly has a log thing but i never tried it
i only ran it long enough to check temps while doing stress test then closed it
its pretty good for what it is tho since you can set it to show stuff in the taskbar/widgets (windows 7/vista days not sure if it still works nowadays since i disable all the junk that comes with windows 10/11) along with changing the speed it updates (i change mine to 100ms so it updates temps/volts/etc super fast so i know exactly when/if im throttling/overheating [if i do have those issues])
9:58 "So even MSI Afterburner does not show Hotspot. That's important, too. Because that's a hidden value..."
And that my friends, is the exact reason why MSI AB does not show Hotspot temperatures. It is a hidden value and MSI AB is bound to official sensors only due to licensing.
But if you use the accompanied RTSS to create your OSD you can monitor the GPU hotspot with "GPU temperature 2". RTSS is not bound to that official MSI Licence (under Nvidia scrutiny) and therefor can provide that sensor data.
This is super helpful for folks that actually do utliize a large percentage of the GPU. Pingin off the rev limiter for too long isn't good for yer hot rod car's engine, or yer overclocked graphics processing engine. Lol! All we get with compute hardware is sensor monitoring, since audio cues can all be the same fan profile well before thermal damage occurs. This is a great comment you have here! Well said! Hidden GOLD right here.
I use HWiNFO 64 to push hotspot temps to RTSS.
use GPU Z mate for GPU monitoring it will show it and you can log and save the data too
Also for any additional system data that MSI AB doesn't show, you can just import the data feeds from HWiNFO running in the background straight into AB (properties - monitoring tab - three dots - hwinfo plugin - setup - add - selected the desired data; make sure the HWiNFO is running in the background and the Shared Memory Support is checked on). I'm hoping the Libre will be supported in the future as well since this data import turns itself off in the HWiNFO after 12 hours in the non-paid version.
Exactly, I was hoping someone would say this! I have my XTX hotspot on HWInfo going to RTSS because I am paranoid.
Thanks Jay. I'm an Excel jockey for a living. If you have a number it will be right aligned in a cell/column. If that column is not wide enough to display the number then you will see ####### in the cell as you saw. You can double click the header border between that column and the one to the right to autofit the column width. As to Y axis on charts I wouldn't say every chart should have 0 as the lower limit. It depends on the data. For example, if you have values between 100,000 and 101,000 and the min on the Y axis is 0 you chart line is going to be essentially flat making any movement over time imperceivable. Where as if the Y axis is 99,000 to 102,000 you will see the line move up/down over the X axis values. That's why Excel (and many charting packages) will try and predict/automate the lower/upper range on the Y axis so that they line(s) have some perceivable movement up/down across time.
Yes, I was going to say something similar. There are many times a chart axis shouldn't start at 0, but it is entirely data dependent.
This!
Im not an Excel/Spreadsheet jockey, but ive used them enough to at least know that much :P Granted. It does throw me off abit if ive not seen it in a while, and takes me a second to realize whats going on.
Or in the case of what he's shown us, the voltage, displaying any value below 1 on a CPU.
Jay really showing his hand on this one, not the spreadsheet guy it would seem
Finally! Thanks for finding this.
Usage Tip:
You can hover over either side of the graph and use the scroll wheel to adjust the graph. Also right click and/or arrow keys to move it around.
Just commented this too lol! J has to see this!
Fan Control is amazing and fixed all my stupid issues on one settings screen where bios and manufacturer software is lacking or failing
I want to use that software but I just don't know if I'm doing it right it's so confusing to me, even watched Jays video about it
I agree with Fan Control, I deshrouded my 2070 super when the fans started to die and replaced them with 120's and Fan control allowed me to use the GPU's temperature sensor to control the 120's (using a motherboard fan pinout because the fans were not compatible to the GPU fan header pins) and now my GPU is as cool if not cooler but at the same time very quiet compared to the original. Super valuable software to optimize noise levels, air flow and positive pressure.
@@Tx_Jay_ beyond easy to use. Took me 10mins idk
It's great until suddenly it decides to stop seeing all fans and stop spinning them all.
you´re absolutely right UndercoverPirate69. FanControl is one of the best free software ever.
@those with problems after updating fan control: just play a little around with that software. Press fan calibration and sensor check, what ever. Then it should find your fans or sensors again 🙂
In my case it worked, doing something like that. I can´t remember anymore what i exactly did. It happend a few month ago when the update destroyed the config.
Heres a tip, if you use the spacebar and arrow keys you can select much faster than using the mouse, although I still agree a shift click would help!
The fan software was definitely not clickbait. I have been using that since you did your video. Its on 3 PC's in my house and works flawlessly on all. I even donated to the dev.
Ya, works flawless (also donated). A little intimidating at first but without a doubt the best fan app on the planet
It helped with my ASUS prebuilt machine, that was okay in everything, except cooling. Louder on average (before I changed cooling system), but keeps the CPU in comfortable temp range.
Same here. My 7800x3d and 4090 runs quiet and cool
Name?
@@El-Dudo FanControl
most of the time I'm guilty of being a touch cynical of Jay, but I am humbled, on occasion by these style videos. Jay definitely deserves his corner of the internet IMO. many thanks for your addition to the community.
Been using this for years. Jay didn't mention: it offers an onscreen desktop widget, where you can select just a couple/few/handful of sensors important to you and stick in a 1" or 2" box in a corner...handy (for me anyway). Tiny bonus - you can also control you fan speeds (at least 6 different I think), but just a fixed for each, by % ... no temp adjust control.
16:10 the column of hashes just means that the column isn't wide enough to support the requested info (typically with numbers and dates) just manually widen the column and it comes good.
Everyone that tries this should donate $2 to the dev.... That would give him incentive to do some of the upgrades Jay was mentioning. (Dark mode, plot changes, shift click select, etc).
Edit: apparently github sponsors have a min of $2. Originally suggested $1.
Great suggestions.
As a dev, if I already have the money and there is no binding contract, the code somehow never happens. Just sayin.
@@Spudz76 open source devs are built different lol
done 👌🏻
Nah, I'll just use HWInfo64
The hashtags in excel is usually because the data in the cell is wider than the column. If you increase the width of the column you will see the data.
"Nobody has rights to it" is not how open source works. The copyright is always owned by the person who created the code. Even if that person isn't restricting any use of it.
Right. Your contributions are their property, and thats ok. But open source is not completely open, theres tonnes of videos about this.
Yes, kind of like Google "owns" Android, but it's open source, and anyone can do with it what they please.
When you see hashes in a spreadsheet you have too many characters on the cell.
16:12 IE the cell is too narrow to display the data - resizing the cell wider (or double clicking to auto-resize) fixes this
Interestingly, this sometimes happens at specific zoom levels and not others. _Also_, they're not hash_tags_, they're just hashes. There is no associated tag. :b
correct, Jay just needed to expand the width of the column.
Pretty surprised someone like Jayz doesn't know this
@@davefellows Using and building hardware is not the same as using a specific piece of software
No, just need to make it wider.
I still use the Fan Control software you recommended a while back, it's outrageously good.
What's it called?
@@JASHIKO_ Fan Control
@@JASHIKO_ Fan Control
Best part... as of 9hrs ago - 3 out of 8 suggestions have been built into the code base by contributors (not closing dropdowns, one CSV per session, Auto Resize) and many others are at work :D
I just saw BlackTheme.cs, DarkTheme.cs and LightTheme.cs in UI/Themes, so dark mode is coming.
Beware of Excel's max data display size when making long .csvs. I don't think .csv, .dat, or .txt have any size limits, but .xlsx and Excel do. 1,048,576 rows by 16,384 columns
I love the you are supporting the openSource community - and giving quality requests...be us developers often don't know what is most desired...those requests are super easy to implement. Was gonna do them but they are already being worked on! Nice.
HW INFO 64 ??? helo ??? any body ???
Costs money for commercial use
aha shared memory support is total commercial usage 😒😒@@JollyGiant19
@@JollyGiant19 but free version have way more than this libre czy cucid hw
yup literally everything
I was yelling this through the entire video lol
Hashes are due to the column width being too narrow to display the data. You can double click on the right hand edge of the top of the column to auto resize it to show all of the data in the field, or right click in the column and select 'column width'.
2:58 "Nobody has rights to it, nobody's making money on it" That's not what open source means, just because some projects choose to operate this way.
16:23 The reason your date/Time is showing as hashtags is because the cell to narrow to display the entire value. What you need to do is bring your mouse to the top of the column, then hover over the border between the two columns. Your pointer should change to an arrow symbol which is an indicator that you can click and drag to increased the cell width.
Jay is so cool, he has the best ideas. He's got a big brain and totally an idea guy.
I'm sensing some sarcasm LMAO
Mans recommending software that he's not FULLY happy with, without knowing about HWiNFO64 and its abilities. Also, using Edge and Bing, ugh that was tough 🤣
Aaaw you like like him
On the graphs in LHM, if you hold CTRL down you can then manipulate the graphs by zooming in and out with the mouse wheel. And depending on where on the graph also impacts on what you're zooming, plus you can allow or disallow the X or Y axis to be zoomed - like for example make it so that the Time axis(x-axis) doesn't zoom in or out. Also the arrow-keys does things with the graphs.
It takes a little experimenting, but once you have a feel for it what you can do is pretty neat. Much of the same functionality is in Open Hardwaremonitor.
Jay using Bing is wild. I mean I get it, but never thought this is where we’d get too
Whats wrong? He just used default Edge
@@lussor1 oh how the mighty have fallen
Edge is fine, runs on Chromium. But Bing is total crap, i dare you to try a websearch through Windows search bar. I wish it could be changed to Google but thats apparently not possible.
I’ve had this running permanently on a narrow window at the end of my second monitor for years now, it’s been great. Very useful for graphing as well
Every bit of software JTC recommends is basically mandatory for anyone that cares about their PC
Playlist for all the videos would be cool
Eh, sometimes, the risk with some monitoring software is it can prevent sleep modes, external drives never powering down etc.
Excellent review! I discovered this a couple weeks ago while recovering from a surgery that kept me home for a few weeks. Very handy tool indeed!
Excel shows hash tags, aka "picket fences", when the cell is too narrow to display the entire contents. Quick resolution: Press and release Alt, then key O C A. (Auto-fit cell width.)
A quick way to change the format from the date and time to just the date is to use Ctrl Shift 3 (or Ctrl #), which will yield a default time format, but only for the selected cells (or columns).
Shortcut for "format cells": Ctrl 1.
data analyst?
@@squidwardo7074 No.
Jay, as a developer who deals with QA analysts/teams on a daily basis I cringe a little when you say "I need you guys that are smarter than me yada yada" because it takes A LOT of brain power to figure out how anyone could screw the entire software experience by doing something us devs and product managers could not predict... So I have A LOT of respect for what you all have to say... Please don't belittle yourself! I cannot and will not be in the foreseeable future capable of doing what a QA professional is capable of doing as stated on the job description!
It goes in the square hole, right?
Agreed! I did QA for some 20 years, I get frustrated when people put themselves down doing QA. Different disciplines than programing but equally brainy :)
@@fredfredburgeryes123 everything in the square hole! if it don't fit you didn't push hard enough!
@@AcidCortex1 ❤
@@fredfredburgeryes123It goes in the right hole, square?
Thanks, Jay. Source code included. This is a gem! I like when you point out useful software. It takes both to have fun.
I'm just sitting here watching Jay explaining in painstaking detail how to download something from Github and thinking "lol who'd fuck something like that up?" when I remember Linus.
when did linus fail to do that. i wanna watch that video and lol
Honestly, it’s that way for most people. They have no real reason to become a GitHub expert even if it is easy.
@@melaniejason3912 It was back in the Linux challenge a couple years ago. To be fair, what he was downloading didn't have a release page and he needed one specific file from the repo. At the time, the only way to download individual files from GitHub repos was to open the file in a new tab, and then save the page. Since then they added an option to download raw files in response to that.
@@melaniejason3912 Linux challenge
@@JollyGiant19I mean, for most repos it’s,
Find repo,
Click releases,
Download the x64 version. 🤷♂️
I want to thank you for making content for users and everyone! So glad to see a team that never focuses on money or expansion. You probably know who I mean but I don't watch them anymore. I hope you and everyone working there has a good day!
Thank you jay for the knowledge you have been giving me I’m new to the pc world and I have been watching you for about a month now I’m building my first pc soon and have been relying on your info to guide me
I use HWInfo 64 but I really don't need to monitor temps and power that much to use a different tool. Once I confirm stability and initial temps I just don't need to see temperatures, voltages, etc anymore. Thanks for showing us another option! Always good to see free utilities. I still use Fan Control to this day since you recommended it. I donated to the dev as well for that.
I will never hear TJ Max without thinking of the TJ Maxx theme song. As much as I wish I would and could.
Dark mode exists now: it will auto select it if that is the system default, or you can enable it manually. So is controlling the plot area, there are settings if you right click on the graph, and you can scroll when your mouse is hovering the graph area.
First time he said that I thought, "My CGM? They're making a HW Monitor software too? That's freeware? At this hour? In this part of town?"
In this economy ???
In front of my beef ravioli?
Excel shows cell values as hashtags when the cell is not wide enough to show all its contents (And the content is numerical in some form). As when you changed the format, you shorten what it shows, and therefor it now fits the cell size. If you want it to show the whole value, move the mouse pointer to the divider between the cells (in the column header), and then dubble click. It will widen the cell to fit the widest of cell data in the column to the left of the pointer.
I’m only partway through the video, but Jay you are rocking the silver hair man!
The white wolf of pc enthusiasts
I used to use Open Hardware Monitor a lot back in 2017'ish, didn't know it's now called Libre Hardware Monitor. Good to see it back!
The one must have for me is CTT’s Windows utility.
16:12 - Column a does that because the date and time are larger than the column width so it doesn't have enough room. Another option, especially when logging for multiple days, is to simple select Format from the Ribbon bar at the top and select "Auto-Fit Column Width" from the drop down. That SHOULD fix it. Only other reason that I've seen for it is Excel not recognizing the data format so it doesn't know how to display it correctly but I kinda doubt that's it.
DDU, RevoUninstaller, WizTree, GPU-Z, CPU-Z, HWiNFO64, OBS, NDI, VLC, PainDotNet
Also, "Restore Old Right-click Context Menu" reg.exe add "HKCU\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}\InprocServer32" /f /ve
K lite Mega Codec Pack alternative for VLC
you wrote PainDotNet , this says it all
Add "Windows Update Minitool" and "O&O ShutUp10++" to this list ;-)
First one let's you take control on what and where to update and second makes your Win10/11 MUCH more private
Also VLC is ruined by bloat nowadays.
Hey J... the hashtags just indicate that the column is to narrow. To show all the data click the column then do Alt H, O, I in that sequence it will auto fit the width of the column based on the highest amount of data in a given cell in that column! Cheers!
Someone requested a Dark Mode to be added to this software back on August 13, 2019. I'm guessing this feature is NOT very high on his list.
I already have a fork with dark mode working and publicly available releases. TH-cam won't let me link it here but if you look at the link in the description and go to "Pull Requests" and scroll down you will see my PR with a link to the release with dark mode included.
@@MRog40 Hi! I am the guy who commented on your GitHub asking you to push the Dark Mode to live. Thank you for your work.
Just off topic, when J talked about °F and °C its should be centigrade for science. In the UK we've got used to using centigrade. Confusingly we buy petrol/gas in litres then talk about miles per gallon!
Centigrade is Celsius AFAIK.
I've actually already been using this. Pretty cool.
11:20 (CPUID) HWMonitor does include PCIe throughput reporting. My most recent use was to ensure a second GPU (i.e., multi-GPU for science-y stuff) wouldn't be bottlenecked when I assembled a new(er) PC. A few generations ago, you could find several low high-end consumer motherboards (and maybe one or two mid tier) featuring the ability to have x16 or x8/x8 for expansion slot PCIe lanes. With the latest generations, such as AM5, x8/x8 is rare, and only on the high-high end (~>$500) motherboards. Most are (at best) limited to either x16 or x8/x4.
hwinfo shows me distance to tjmax on my brother's i7 8700... im confused
HWinfo64 > HWMonitor
HWinfo64 is an awesome tool, and it does everything that this one can do as far as I can tell...I don't know why Jay refuses to use it...
Tjmax 100-105 °C. Processor temp 40°C distance 60-65 simple.
You doing this video will likely make a lot of open-source developers go in and add your suggestions. Nice idea to make such a video!
There is a lot for Linux. I mostly use Linux, but the main one I use for heat monitoring that I like is, Psensor. This is a Linux one.
What RGB app other than openRGB? want to use linux, but openRGB broke my RAM Tforce delta ARGB, got it RMA'd now I'm on windows just because I don't want it to puke rainbows..
16:10 Does that because it is trying to show the long format date/time or perhaps the decimal representation of time that Excel actually uses behind the scenes, and the column isn't wide enough, so all the #### is basically there to tell you it doesn't have the space to display what it is trying to show.
Always use Celsius for pc temp. 100c is max temp for chips, so you easily know (as a percentage of operating temperature) where you're at.
Celsius is superior in every way. Fahrenheit is for losers.
100C = 212F. My i7-6700 has yet to exceed 140F. Not real fucking hard to keep track of. But if you need things to be simple enough for a 3rd grader, I won't judge.
@@spellcrafter23 Celsius is superior. Fahrenheit is for losers.
@@md_vandenberg Celsius is always superior. Fahrenheit is for the Looooossseeerrrsss....
16:14 In order to fix the ####### on excel, just make the column width bigger. Either by double clicking the column end edge or by dragging it to the right
Another improvment on Libre would be to be able to reorder the sensor displays. I would want CPU at the top, followed by GPU, etc.
Also, dark mode is a necessity in all software. I will happily stay with HWinfo if only for the comfort factor.
The way they did it is with a custom control set and from what i can see to hold order and reorder it. Is not supported anywhere and would have to be override properties and methods or extended. Which would be a lot of work
I already have a fork with dark mode working and publicly available releases. TH-cam won't let me link it here but if you look at the link in the description and go to "Pull Requests" and scroll down you will see my PR with a link to the release with dark mode included.
Yes but it is a fork. My other account can’t post for whatever reason so. There are many people involved. And i do not see a pr to the main repo. I have looked at then all day.
It shows hashtags because the column is too narrow to display the entire date-time field. You can expand the column to fix the issue, or reformat the data as you did.
Just wait until he finds out about HWinfo64.
🤣🤣
ive been using libre hardware monitor for a few years now. its pretty solid!
"BuT WhAt ABoUt HaRdWaRe MoNiToR?!" You can always tell by these comments who actually watched and paid attention to the video lol.
nobody is talking about HWMonitor, we're all saying HWiNFO64 has everything Jay asked for.
And you don't know difference between hardware monitor and hwinfo64 apparently.
J, you are a legend! Thank you very very much! You really care about everyone.
LibreHardwareMonitor + Grafana = PC Monitoring Nerd Perfection
and freedom-respecting!
I love how Jay sees the zip file and highlights that the code is downloadable, when the whole page is a repo on github and so is intrinsically downloadable through the 'Code' button at the top of the page
Jay if you manage to take down Github, I'd be very impressed
Jay gets all excited then wants to share what he found with us.
I love his enthusiasm but it means he also talks about things before he understands and the video becomes a "Learn with Jay"
You can change the zoom on the plot to increase the scale rather than use auto.
wtf the bots
i've been noticing these porn bots a lot this week. sometimes 20 nearly identical comments on every video.
They’re all over the place recently on every platform it seems
@scoso1313 Not all that recently anymore, honestly
Twitter is worse
Hey Jay, Excel show the "Hash" symbol in a cell when the value can't fit in the "Width" or "Height" of that particular cell. Just double click on the column adjustment area and it will auto fit the width. Cheers.
Funny how Jay as American being logically reasonable with the temp measurements. Use Celsius, makes more sense!
You must be new around the computer temp measuring community no one uses Fahrenheit here and never have it also started mostly US based too.
Most software products don’t even have option of Fahrenheit.
Honestly though a big part of it is that computer temps are fully within a 0-100C range with 100C being too hot. So it just works out nicely.
The opposite is true for weather where most weather is within the 0-100F range for Fahrenheit. Outliers mean a bad day so Fahrenheit works better for daily temps. The fact that water freezes or boils at x temperature doesn’t really matter for your daily life. Most people just boil water by heating it and waiting for it to visibly boil and whether it’s below freezing out doesn’t matter as much as it seems, especially in places where your below freezing most of the winter.
As a American, Celsius is standard in STEM fields.
Celsius is always superior.
only a total noob uses celcius to monitor temps
This was a great video! I would be interested in more videos about lesser known open source software that people might want. Maybe not even always good ones, but perhaps you looking at them and showing what could be improved would be really great.
HWInfo64 in sensor mode has been my weapon of choice forever
And it supports shared memory to read out all its information and then you can also make a webserver serving all HWiNFO information. Of course someone already did it and it works really well. Also with JSON.
The best app for monitoring your hardware.
Half of this video introduces us to and praises this free utility, the other half is a laundry list of requests he wants the developers to add to it. 😂
No, Jay said he hopes that those of us who know development can add those features... because it's FOSS. He never said he wanted the original dev to do anything. Clean your ears.
@@md_vandenberg Unfortunately in my experience with this project, they alter pull requests and then it stops working.
Libre absolutely dominating open source market, king of altruism
HWinfo or bust
Agreed.
The fact that by the time I saw this video and decided sure I'll make those fixes for you, shouldn't be that complicated to do, and there are already PR-s for that exact thing from 18 hours ago, jesus :D They're at it quite fast
I used hwmonitor for years just fine but people said It's wrong you must use hwinfo. Now I am being told nah that's no good you need this brand new thing instead.
Every single one of these i keep being told are wrong and to get the new one all show the exact same readings. You might not be sponsored by them but it is so clearly just a shit post video to get easy money from youtube and a sponsor ad placement video lol. Got too many sponsors lined up with no video idea so time to shit out another "no guys this is what you need for real this time" video.
People wonder why the average persons computer gets so much bloat and trash on it look no further than youtube tech channels constantly telling people to download new software for one pointless reason or another. Oh well at least it's not as far down as the fps boost youtube "guides" this platform is plagued with lol
Who told you HWiNFO64 is bad?
HWiNFO is the industry standard. It has the most accurate readings.
@@FastSloth87 Some guy that was brain destroyed by the obscene quantity of data that HWInfo offers xD There is no way someone telling that.
Jay, the peak Voltage is in ms. only direct measure oscilloscope will give correct measure
Seeing jay explain excel is kinda cute as someone who had to use it daily in university. Good job jay 👍
Thank you for this, your previous program mentions, Fan Control, and Signal Rgb, have been staples on every machine I have.
16:10 The # in the box is due to the box being too small for the value. Enlarge the box and it will automatically switch to the value entered.
Open source does not actually mean, do whatever you want with. There are licenses attached that restrict what you can actually do.
Or project leaders who just don't want these changes because they have a different vision for the software, which is valid but it can be really annoying.
It's showing hashes because the default width of the column is too small. Double clicking the small line between column A&B (the top row) will resize to fit all values
Hello, thanks, finally somebody noticed this software that i'm using for years with lots of pleasure and satisfaction. But hey, i don't understand, you guys didn't talk about the gadget and the fact that on a second screen you could have a tiny monitor windows of CPU-GPU temps/pump speed/water temp and other fans speed in real-time. Like good old CPU Temp. It's a great feature to me.
started from you last video is brilliant i have removed all others , this is the best thanks jay for finding it
Had I not known about Libre HM and Fan Control, I probably wouldn't have got so obsessed with cooling and got on this kick about upgrading my fans. I'm sure Noctua loves this stuff. :)
Thanks for sharing.
Also glad you acknowledge that c° is the way to go.
i've been using HWMonitor for years but i'll probably have to check this out. thanks for the heads up dude!
Hey, Jay! Excel shows ##### When the value the cell contains is wider than the column width. You need to adjust the width of the column.
I use System Monitor Sensor for RAM usage, CPU usage/frequency/temperature and network activity on my KDE panel. Super handy to have that info available with a glance and drop down menus show a bit more detailed stuff.
Talking of free soft, did you try W11 IoT Enterprise LTSC ?
The reason Excel show you hash characters in the first column is because a CSV import uses default column widths and the content of the first column is too wide. Making the column wider or reformatting to make the result fit in the default column width will solve that.
this is actually pretty cool and useful, thank you Jay.
J I have a suggestion for you too. Right click and drag to desktop and then "create shortcut here."
16:35 That happens when your column width is smaller than the value to be displayed. Double clicking the width adjuster would auto "width" it.
03:47 "highlight it, right click it, show more options"
you can open straight into more options if you hold Shift before right clicking
im glad your better, hopefully now after years you can heal your camera man, get 2 cameras and get screen capture :D
Im a big fan of aquasuit using it for years with a fan controler of them. Very nice to monitor, set up alarms if something fails or even create custom overlays to show data on screens for your waterloop.
been using it for almost a year now, had to change from Open Hardware monitor because it doesn't read 12''th gen+ intel. Great piece of software, run it on all my systems.
Also, you didn't do it justice. I use this because of it's neat Gadget tool, where I have all the stats I want to monitor on a cool small "DARK GREY" gadget that doesn't flashbang you. Throw it on my secondary monitor and glance at it occasionally to see how my pc is doing.
Libre makes a whole suite of awesome free software. Like libre office, libre office calc (excel), libre photo, etc..
Good continuation project of open hardware, been using the libraries for my own custom mini-sensor panel for a little over a year now.
cheers Jay, i've been using Open Hardware Monitor for years and found that with my current CPU and Mobo that i was missing info i used to get.
I'll definitely be picking Libre up