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- Hello everyone. Simon and I are proud to show the V1 Eclipse box cinema camera which is a modification of the Blackmagic micro cinema camera G1 and is not affiliated with Blackmagic design.
We really hope you enjoy this video and learn a lot about the process.
The Most Advanced Cinema Box Camera We Built! feat @DSLRguide @RobEllisCinematographer
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0:00 - Intro
2:05 - What is the Eclipse
4:20 - Simon - Chief Designer
20:10 - Eclipse footage
22:57 - Problems we faced
24:38 - DSLRGuide Test
39:29 - Eclipse vs 6K Full Frame
42:08 - New Custom cameras
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PLEASE like & share this video. It's very important we get traction on this video 🙏🏾
Sorry for uploading 3 times but I had emails from Blackmagic regarding changes they requested to the video.
Also, Sorry for audio in certain places during interviews. Locations were not ideal so had to process all the noise out.
Finally and most important! Any silly comments will NOT be answered and we will just hide the channel from you. We're to busy to argue on the internet. Thanks
What changes did blackmagic request?
@@EpithetMusicTV it was about titles, trademarks etc etc.
They were mostly ok and are happy to see the mods.
@@Altcineglad it’s was not that serious. Also I think Blackmagic’s openness to mods is helping to make the industry a little bit innovative.
This is an amazing feat! Congratulations to you and your team, for promoting creativity, and putting your destiny back in the palm of your hands! Respect! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@@4sightfilmsLLC thank you my brother, appreciate you
Damn, i looked exhausted but here we go, We did it brother!
Yes brother, finally we can rest for a bit. You earned it 🙌🏾
@simon-altcinecam you did a museum techno master piece. As far I know, no one did it at this level of perfection. Congrats Simon!
Huge congrats to both of you! Wasn't expecting anything that nice looking!!! And the Slinger... wow!
Nice to have a face with the name now. Very nice work 👍
@@annebokma4637Thank you🙏🙌
Today we got the GH7, Canon C400, couple of lenses and the new Eclipse from Altcine daaang what a time to be alive !!! beyond respect to you guys, cant wait for the new proyects to come and test them out myself!
Thank you Andy, it has been quite a day 😁 was really happy to see the GH7. M43 is where Panasonic rule.
Thanks so much man
Nice one! Hope this will get massive attention in the cameraworld
Thank you, I really hope so
if it was anything like the M lite. this def will.
Brother! You Cannot whet my appetite and then leave us with nothing! Cheers to you and all you do. I love the concept. I own 6 cinema camera's because I use them for certain situations. Canon for color, Black Magic for the braw and ZCam for the modularity, you are on the right path. Thank you for all you do. Keep creating.
🤣🤣 thanks bro, there's more to come and it's only going to get better from here. I love multi brand users...you understand the most about pro's & cons.
Thank you man
Simply Amazing. You sold me on the Aurora. It fits my work beautifully. Put my name on the waiting list now. I will commit to it - blind faith in you guys to produce it or I can build it since I do have those skills. Brother - you definitely are leading a revolution. 👍👍👍👍👍
Awesome, that is fantastic to hear. We're thinking about doing custom PCB so it's something people can build at home (plug & play) we will know very soon what that looks like.
Thanks again for your trust in us 🙌🏾
So basically BlackMagic NEEDS to hire yall for future product development and visionary leadership 🔥 TAKE MY MF MONEY!!!!
That would be a dream bro. The p4k was my first "pro" camera and it would be great to do something with them. They probably hate me though.
@@Altcine never know!! I mean if you shat on my multimillion dollar cine company with a grassroots build, I’d be hatin too 😂 all you hear about the Pyxis is how it’s kinda what the consumers wanted but they dropped the ball. Bro you picked it right back up with this one!☝🏽
@@APOPHISnft haha yeah, a few people have said that 🤣 man...I wish we could have designed the PYXIS.
AltCine is doing incredible things- big respect from the USA!!!
Thank you brother
Wow super amazing product kudos Cole and Simon! I was a bit worried 1:30 into the movie when the camera was perched on the side of a bridge...😅 one way to test how solid it is!!! Keep the efforts up and good luck to all those lucky enough to get one of these cine nuggets.
Hey Tim, thank you bro 🙌🏾
Yeah I was actually real nervous doing that shot 😂
Thanks again bro
Why am I SO much more excited about this camera than the GH7..? Great work guys - you did it!
Thank you so much for rooting for the little guy 🙌🏾🙌🏾
Pls, keep up that attitude! Don`t stop nailing it down. Very exciting and hope spending. Take my big bow brothers! You guys are true role models.
Thank you so much. I've decided to get back to serious creativity now and stop my other types of videos.
If we stay focused we can achieve a tremendous amount this year.
Thank you 🙌🏾
you guys are genius and lovely creators ; you are as humble as hard workers ; it's great to see you both on screen (and guests too) in order to understand what you went through (I can't imagine the pain but I followed so I know it was tough).
I really hope you'll get some attention from a big compagnie in order to produce more than 10. cheers and love
Thank you Hugo, you're very kind. Being humble keeps you grounded and we both like to stay very grounded. If we aren't serving the people....what use are we as humans.
It was extremely tough going at points but so worth it.
Thank you for your kind commitment 🙏🏾
Did you say "waaay under a thousand dollars"? You got me right there. Great work.
Yeah man, something with excellent io, Ui and built like a red and low cost will be excellent for everyone.
Those cameras you mentioned at the end look great. The idea of a Super 8 sensor is really exciting. There are so many old lenses that could be utilized. Excited to see what you guys come up with 🤘🏻
Yes!!!! It's something I'm really looking forward to getting into because as you said...there's so many great lenses.
I'm looking forward to using some C-mount lenses with mobile phone anamorphics for travel and short films.
It's going to be great.
@@Altcine with you guys and hopefully the release of the octopus 16 🤞🏻; it’s a great time for independent film makers! Keep going man! 🙌🏻
@@SuperRexProductions this is the way 🙌🏾
Mind blowing 🤯
Thank you, glad you like it
This is so insanely cool! Love the Eclipse. Even though I won't be able to afford one, I'm thankful, that you put all the effort into realizing this vision! I was also positively surprised to see the other TH-camrs help out in a way. It was like the Cine TH-cam Allstars coming together for a collab😁Also, I'm really hyped for the Eve and Aurora. I just hope, that they'll have nice lens mounts that lets you use adapters and Speedboosters😄
Thank you bro, yes we had so much support it was incredible! The real dream is the CinePi though and that will be very high end and affordable.
If we make the PCB"s then it's something you can build at home plug and play which would drastically cut costs.
We spoke about swappable mounts recently so we will see what can be done. I definitely want to use a speedbooster with the aurora so that has to happen.
Holy moly cow!!!!! I am totally speechless 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥. You guys are complete genius!!!!!!
Thank you so much brother, appreciate you. WE DID IT 🙌🏾🙌🏾
AMAAAAAAAAZING… I’ll definitely be snagging one of these! And if a smaller screen means less fan noise and allows false color, that’s definitely the way to go 🔥🔥🔥 hope you guys are proud of yourselves, this is an awesome creative/engineering achievement 👏 👏 👏
Thanks so much, it was a big project for us and glad you like it. Yeah we definitely want to improve on it slightly so the upgrades will definitely happen.
👏🏾👍🏾🙏🏾 Congratulations guys! Looks very promising! 🏴🇸🇪🇹🇹
Awesome man, thank you
Love what you guys are doing!!!
One suggestion:
Keep the bigger screen and put it on a swivel mount that is integrated into the cameras body.
This way you could flip up the screen, rotate it and so on. Maybe even a way to attach it to the side.
A fixed screen on top is good for handheld, but not good for any other use case. If the goal is to make the camera need as little rigging as possible, then a fixed monitor on top just doesn't make much sense in my opinion.
I know this is no easy task and I am very impressed with what you guys have been doing!
thats just my two cents
Hey thanks for the suggestion. It could be possible if we can integrate a metal hinge of some but but we'd have to see what the wiring would look like. A tilt screen is definitely a good idea though.
Thank you
Really looking forward to the seeing what the Eve and Aurora look like
Yeah man, we're going to throw everything we have at those too. The freedom with CinePi is fantastic.
Yeahhhhh 🔥🔥🔥 this is gonna be on that digital bolex level of rarity in a few years 😂
Absolutely 😅😅🙌🏾
Love and I’m here for it! Congratz and ready to support! Real talk.
Thank you so much, this is the kind of energy we need.
Congratulations to you both!!! This is incredible.
Thank you so much!!
Awesome stuff! Cant wait to see what these turn into and what else is on the drawing board! Love the unique designs for accessories/wireless gear huge game changer compared to other competitors. A wireless pin design system up to a field monitor would change the industry! I'm so tired of an hdmi or sdi and a power cable up there, and one sticking out of the left of the camera body touching my thumb on a grip haha. Keep it up man!
Bro, I feel your pain 😅 all that wiring and accessories is such a pain sometimes.
Amazing job guys !!!
Thank you so much ❤ we will put this to a very good cause and sincerely appreciate it.
This camera ain't for me but I gotta say your enthusiasm is infectious. Congrats on the release fellas, good on ya 👏
Thank you Ed, we appreciate that We know it's not for everyone but we like when people can appreciate the effort in something like this.
really really awesome work!! Keep Going brother!! Your work makes all the low budget camera man's heart beat!
Thank you brother. This is the way forward.
Got my attention a long time ago! Now I’m just holding on to a future release. Great work, very impressive👍
Thank you so much. Yeas this is going to be a good release and can't wait to deliver the first unit.
I'm excited for this! Would definitely love to be one of those 20 camera setups. I still have my Micro but would be willing to give it new life with a better housing and rig overall.
Awesome, thank you. Once the final upgrades are done, we will let everyone know.
Very cool! Projects like this add pressure to Black Magic to improve and innovate their designs.
Thank you. I wish they'd just listen a little harder and create a killer 4k & 6k cameras. They were very close with the Pyxis
TH-cam didn't notify me but I'm here regardless :)
Typical TH-cam, been squashing me for years. Glad you made it though 🙌🏾
Hell yes, love the progress you guys have made! Amazing work
Thanks so much! Appreciate it
Great work guys!!! This is amazing
Glad you like it! We will continue to evolve all of these projects 🙌🏾
Thanks for the shoutout, pumped I was able to help with this video in some small part!!!
Thank you Alex, you really blessed us with that footage bro. As you know, I love the Eos-M and it was perfect to get the M involved.
First of all, a HUGE congrats to you both, you exceeded all of my expectations, I'm completely stunned!
Second, I already can't wait for the AURORA project. Is it also gonna take 2.5 months? haha
Thanks so much for everything you're doing, you've been further than anyone else before!
Thank you so much!! It's crazy how far it came so quickly but we're both very focused. I think the EVE shouldn't take long once we clear out a few other projects but we're focused on getting that out asap but it has to be perfect ie :v1 is the final version
Shame that us mere mortals won't be able to get an Eclipse, but really excited to see what you guys come up with in the future! Cine Pi was cool when I saw it, can't wait to see what y'all do with it.
The CinePi is the one we're most excited about tbh, we think it's very affordable and has insane iq for the little cost it takes. It just needs to be made into a proper camera now and it'll go to the moon.
Amazing! Yall are killing it.
Thank you brother
Great job!
Thanks
Bravo mates. This is so freaking epic. Looks amazing.
Cheers man, appreciate it
mate! ...the intro is sick man!🙏
Thank you brother 😁🙌🏾🙌🏾
Been waiting for this one bro. Your work is magnificent ❤
Thank you my brother 🙌🏾
Way to go, brother!!! Amazing work.
Thank you 🙌🏾🙌🏾
Finally🎉🎉🎉 great job. You guys are geniuses.
Thank you so much man. Appreciate the support
this is very nice work bruv! You and Simon did a lotta good work here
Thank you brother. It was hard but worth it.
Great work guys! ❤
Thank you 🙌🏾
Love your enthusiasm! Bravo.
Thank you
Amazing work! Camera looks super!
Thank you so much brother 🙏🏾
Amazing work 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Thank you so much
Dude that opening shot was epic!
Thank you brother 😁 we created the animation & shot separately but was relatively easy to line up in post.
congratulations to the both of you!
Thank you so much 😀
I'm in love with your vision. 🤝
Thank you so much. Now we've just got to bring it to reality.
Camera looks amazing cant wait for the v2, that slinger handle is cool as hell. If you guys make tht full production and with different mounting options man im on that immediately.
Thank you. Yeah the Slinger will definitely come. Different colours and mount options too.
Congrats guys.
Thank you
Inspiring stuff 👌👌👌👌👌
Thank you Andy
🎉congratulations my brother . This camera looks beautiful. This. THIS is what we were talking about. Also👋🏿 I want first dibs when it comes out. lol 😂
Thank you so much man, really appreciate that 🙌🏾 we hoped people would like it but you can never be sure.
If you can't get this one then the CinePi will also be a version of this.
Let's gooooo. So pumped
Awesome 😎
Brilliant work gents!
Thank you bro, hope you're keeping well?
@@Altcine I am well brother and hope you are as well.
@@derrickberry3423 nice. I'm good brother
Your innovative initiative is inspiring!
Thank you so much. I'm glad to hear this
My favorite part of the video is where you pronounce my name correctly 😂 You have no idea how rare that is 😅 Nice work!
🤣🤣 I'm glad I got it right lol Thanks Will
That is super cool!!!!
Thank you
Great video!
Thank you brother 🙌🏾🙌🏾
The nd filter holder is cool as hell too
Yes, quick idea I came up with. You know how tedious it can be with a large lens set.
Thank you
great work guys! looking forward to v3! you should sell that side handle asap
Thank you and yes, the handle can come quickly as it's metal & plastic with a bit of rubber trim so not too hard to manufacture.
let's go! finally! 🥰
Respect man. Longest 2 months of my life 🤣
Way to go guys! V1 looks so damn fabulous!! I’m so excited by the fine tuning going into V2 taking the initial mod to next level with in-body cooling, peeking and false color👍👍 To my eyes, the side-by-side footage with the cinema 6K really showed off the filmic quality of the Fairchild sensor, a look which made me pick the OG to make films with in the first place. The Eclipse is the camera I want…. patience, patience.
Thank you so much. Yeah this cam is fantastic already so V2 is going to be insane.
It's incredible when you see Fairchild next to a newer sensor...it just looks so smooth and nice.
Thanks for the comment
I am extremely proud of my brother Simon Daniel, and that's all I can say!!
He's a legend 🙌🏾🙌🏾
I love that Project! There is one idea i had when using my old Mamiya RB67, on that old camera it was possible to turn the film 90 degrees for vertical, and nowadays Vertical is super important but super janky because everything is at the wrong place when you rotate the camera. so if you could turn the sensor 90 degrees it would be a gamechanger for me
That would be crazy! I'd love to have something like that. My Slrmagic lenses are quite heavy though and I'd be scared to use it lol
Apologies for sounding generic, but you're truly inspirational! :)
Thank you bro. Nothing generic about that...we really appreciate support in all forms. Thank you 🙌🏾
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Nice work.
One question: do the pogo pin pads have proper protection? Like against shorting, etc.
Yes and they are also a bit embeded in the camera so if you put any metal plate on top it will not touch the pins.
I own a number of BM cameras and I have been using them for several years. I am not joking: Blackmagic should hire you and do what you tell them to do.
I am not a BM micro user and maybe this camera isn't made at 100% as I precisely wish it would be, but it is absolutely remarkable and ergonomically much much MUCH more usable than the pocket line of cameras, for what I do.
It's absurd to think that BM never delivered a box camera in all these years despite all the users asking for it. It came to all these modding projects for them to realize that maybe it would have been a good idea and it was a matter of time before people would start to go around with their rehoused cameras. Which to me, it sounds really surreal.
I love BM, it's a company who revolutioned the market in a very positive and fresh way, making possible high end things that weren't possible for a large portion of professional users. But sometimes their way of doing things is hard to understand.
I totally agree with you. BM was my first "pro" camera for serious work and it got through a lot...but damn did that body and battery cause me some issues.
I think with their resources we could have come up with something truly epic for a box and possibly even held some things back but still make it the most functional camera out there.
Thank you for this comment brother
This is awesome!! 🤠Amazing work. Will there be gyro stabilization for the eve and aurora? like the Blackmagic's can do? would be amazing
Thank you so much. I think we will add gyro to the Aurora but with eve we're going to replicate a super 8.
There's a surprise product coming in a month and the eve will make even more sense to everyone.
Woow these are starting to look real nice. I'd would trade the big screen for a smaller screen if phantom power for the mic input is added. Keep up the good work guys like you keep the big boys on point.
Thank you so much. Yeah we need that phantom power 😅 have to try upgrade that somehow in V2.
I hope the big companies are watching. What we've done isn't groundbreaking but the camera just makes sense.
HERE WE GOOOO
Thank you Alex, you're a fantastic guy and I truly hope I get to meet you one of these days.
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Does Alt Cine have any Products for The Sony Zv E10?
For example that Handle looks cool I wonder if it would fit my Small Rig Cage 🤔
This would be the perfect camera, great job! It looks like it's injection parts, designed by Black Magic directly
Thank you so much. Yes Simon did a great job on the body considering it's a v1. V2 will look even cleaner.
It is really beautiful
It really is 😄
So amazing, looks even better than I thought!!
Thank you Alex. The stress was worth it
As a professional DP who spends a lot of time working with high end gear, I 100% would not buy/use this for a big paid gig. HOWEVER, this is the kind of thing that I absolutely love to see from the community, and I think it really speaks to the continuing legacy of DIY filmmaking, further democratisation of the space, and I am so glad that there are people out there who are willing not just to take a product that exists as it is, but modify it to something that they think will be better for them and for others. The fact that there are options out there for people to create things that don't require tens of thousands of dollars in investment is fantastic. It takes a serious amount of guts to do something like this as publicly as you are, and I wish you guys nothing but the best into the future, and frankly I'm excited to see what you do next.
Hi Patrick, I fully understand that. Tbh, right now I agree with you on this v1. Although throughout all tests it's proven reliable I still want to add some PCBs to take care of some wire work and reduce the heat some more.
With the CinePi we're definitely going to go for custom PCB design to make sure it stands up to the task.
Everything else you said...We thank you 🙌🏾🙌🏾
Excellent work! imo way better form factor and looks than what Blackmagic brought with the pyxis. Very exited to see what you do with the Eve & Aurora (specially the former), hoping for M4/3 mounts
Thanks man, so glad you like it. We thought there'd no point trying to re-invent the wheel...just put things where they need to be and what makes sense as a DP.
I'm most looking forward to the eve too. One of them will definitely be MFT mount 🙌🏾
Would love for you guys to release the plans! Been looking at doing something similar with a broadcast focus. Keep up the amazing work.
Hey man, thank you so much. You mean the plans to the Eclipse?
@@Altcine yeah! I'd pay to download the CAD files. I'm more of a modder than a designer. Having a set of base designs and modifying them to include a fibre converter etc. Love the idea of building on this with a slight broadcast switch up! DIY ftw
Gotcha. Tbh I'd rather it be printed at home as it saves us time. You'd still need to get the metal shaft from us to complete the build but I've got a way to make it lower cost.
@@Altcine Amazing! I'd get some plates from you as well for the carbon fibre haha, they look 👌 I'll keep an eye out for updates on your channel. 🙏
@@Antihelpful oh man, I totally confused this with the handle 😅 this camera is a nightmare to build bro
4:35 Oh nice! I didn't know Simon was from Romania and you came to visit. So close to where I live, haha! :D
Been there so many times now and will be back soon.
Which area are you?
@@Altcine Oh that's so cool! Let me know next time if you want and have time, maybe we can do something. I really like the build and really interested in the project. I'm an hour and a half from Targu Mures. :D
@@RadianFilms64 awesome. If you're on Instagram can you send a message please.
On my last 2 visits I met up with another creator from Cluj and was good to hang out and chat.
You can get exclusive look and try some of our stuff 🙌🏾
@@Altcine DM sent. 😃
Great!😍 It's looking nice and very functional!!
I have a curiosity, is it possible to create something like that for the Z-Cam E2 M4 cinema camera as well as well?
Thanks man. Z-cam...hmmm so is it just the in-built screen that interests you?
Not only that, the general idea. That's really insane, excellent!!... I always appreciate "the usability and the general and practical performance of the cameras".
I just think the Z-Cam E2 M4 has a great sensor, great low light, great dynamic range, great codes and maybe it could be my camera for my next 10 years if it had "usability and overall performance and practical".
But your invention is really amazing!! Congratulations!!
You and the team have clearly put a lot of thought and effort into the design and execution of this project! I really like the form factor, and the weight that seems to have been added which will make any handheld footage look better just because of physics. The compatibility and mounting point for the Ursa side-handle is a really cool feature! The following is not hate, just some of my honest thoughts, so take it as you will.
1. Top connector:
The pogo-style connector on the top is a really cool idea - but I do have to say I've heard some horror stories from RED users about 3rd party accessories and power management - so I'm curious to see how foolproof the 8-pin pogo-style connector on the top would be. For how I like to shoot, I think it would be another possible point of failure or electrical issues, even when not in use, unless it was insulated/covered by rubber to prevent contact with any conductive metal in a top handle, a NATO rail, etc. I would most likely want to use power from such a port to run an adjustable monitor on the top handle or on a monitor arm, but sadly I don't think the 5v it can supply would be sufficient, and stepping it up to something like 7.2v for a dummy battery into a monitor would make me nervous even if this feature was designed, built, and supported by Blackmagic themselves, let alone a 3rd party. Nothing you guys can really do about that, as I know you have limitations on your time, budget, how far the engineering can go, and the base camera you're starting from.
2. Power:
I would want to see a V-mount power option for a camera like this - NPFs are ok, but for someone like me, I've already purchased a handful of V-mounts to run my Pocket cams, some of my lights, my wireless monitor setup, and probably whatever other cameras I purchase in the future. I get that 14.8v battery systems add another point of complication and potential failure compared to running the camera off batteries with the same voltage it started with. And the I/O on the back would either be cramped or have to move with a wider battery mount. But for shooting handheld especially, I like to cradle a camera body against my chest and the wider surface area of V-mounts seems more comfortable than skinnier NPFs. Of course there's always adapters, but since this project is a modification to the Micro, I'd be hesitant to essentially stack adapters on adapters and I'd probably end up with a similar rig to my Pocket cams anyway at that point.
3. Plastic body, and mounting points:
It's cool that it's a PLA plastic body with some carbon fiber panels, and I'm glad you did the strength test to show it's quite durable! Looking at the prototype, the "3D-printed" look of the plastic body and the 1/4 20 threads still make me nervous even if demonstrated to be reliable - so I wouldn't want a client, producer, director, or my camera/G&E crew (when I have them lol) looking at my camera and having any doubts just because it looks unstable. I can't exactly show clients and crew the weight test video to convince them on every shoot haha.
4. Screen:
Also, this camera body runs into the classic dilemma of "Blackmagic users wanting a box but none of them agreeing where a built-in monitor should go" - a lot of people want a monitor on the top of the body and it's great you've added one at all over the original Micro. But I fly most of my cams with a top handle 90% of the time unless I'm mounting them on a gimbal. On a gimbal, or on my shoulder, the top screen wouldn't really be viewable, nor would it be viewable on a tripod at/above my eye level. And I think a top handle would create awkward viewing angles when looking straight down at the monitor shooting handheld/EasyRig.
But I know this is partly targeted toward people who don't like the side-monitor of the PYXIS, which is viewable from the operator side on a tripod and seems somewhat workable changing settings on a shoulder rig. Neither placement is great, and we all know a tiny top screen like the Komodo would never take the place of an externally mounted monitor either. So at some point the debate about the placement of a non-articulating screen on a box camera becomes moot anyway!
So a built in screen vs not having one seems like a better option, but since you guys have taken this concept and execution so far, in an ideal world it would be nice to see the screen able to be removed and mounted in other ways, or even powered through that pogo-style connector. Since it is a large screen, it would be cool to offer at least a clear glass or plastic protector you could bolt on top for added security.
5. Lens mount:
Keeping the MFT mount of the original is a good idea in my opinion, but one of the weak points about using lens adapters especially with heavy EF lenses designed to cover full frame, or even PL lenses is introducing play between the native mount and the lenses themselves. In my experience with the Pocket 4K, this play can really mess up a shot whether focusing manually on the lens itself or using a mechanical or wireless follow focus. (This can be a problem with the EF mount generally, without any adapters).
To mitigate this with the Pocket 4K, I have the speedbooster bolted to the support bracket which in turn is bolted to the cage. If you're going for a cageless design, which you are well on the way toward doing, I would want to see some kind of accessory to support or secure any adapters or speedboosters to the body without having to add 15mm rods and a support foot etc.
Anyway, I'm curious to see where this goes! We've all seen some great footage come out of the Pocket 4K, the Micro, and I'm sure that will hold true for this rehoused camera as well!
Appreciate all that and there's a lot to go through.
The body is designed for run gun but that won't stop you using a monitor on the side, top handle etc.
Although a lot of people use vmount, I do too...I don't always want to use one so npf just makes things more compact for many situations.
There are monitors that can power from 5 volts so the pogo pins and usb-c on the side will power it. I've got a few setups and tests on my Instagram.
I think you have valid points but if we changed the camera to what you said, another 50 people would say it's a bad idea so when designing you have to make something that suits a majority and that's easy to work with.
The concept of the camera isn't perfect but I don't think there's any other box style cinema camera that is easier to work with than the Eclipse.
Hey! I want to go into some technical stuff if you mentioned it.
On the pogo pins, the only output which is 5V goes trough a protection circuit so if you short it, it will shut the power off without damaging anything. The pogo connector is actually embedded in the body so even if you want to put bare metal on top of the camera, perfectly flush it will not touch any of the contacts. Only concern could be water but at 5V as long as you don't want to pour salt water on it, it will not cause any problems. (Salt makes water more conductive so it could trigger the protection.)
About the power options, i know you mentioned that you don't want adapters cause it may look absurd but in my opinion that is not the case. The back with the NP-F plate was designed with an NP-F to V-Mount adapter in mind. It gives plenty of space for the I/O's and if you see some of the recent posts on the Instagram there are shots where you can see the V-Mount on the camera. I don't think it looks any different than having a native V-Mount plate on there with enough spacing to give space for the connectors, even if they were angled. This way you have both battery options with just one adapter.
About the monitor i cannot really go into any technical stuff. Having it movable would be a nice feature but again, its two guys making this camera without millions of funding so we don't want any features that would significantly increase the price either for us or for the client. Most people would use it in a Run and gun style for which its perfect, on a shoulder Rig you are going to have an arm with a monitor in front of you anyway, even with the Pyxis i don't think you want to look sideways for even a few minutes while you are holding and keeping the rig straight on the target. Some nasty neck pain there. Oh and there is actually a glass screen protector that we install on the screen already and its also embedded in the body which would protect it even if you drop the camera (as long as you don't drop it on a rock or something but even then as we all learned by now, glass is glass and glass breaks no matter if its 2mm thick or 1cm.)
And then the PLA part.. i don't think that you have the right idea about how this Camera actually feels when you hold it. We say that its made from PLA but there is nothing plastic or unstable about it when you actually hold it. Its ROCK solid, there is zero flex or movement in there and the better shock absorption of PLA can actually protect the camera if its ever used for crash cam. There was hundreds of tests done by now on the strength of inserts and if they are installed correctly the 1/4-20 ones can hold up to 300KG of weight pulling straight down. This is only one insert without any reinforcement. On a camera most of the time you are going to use more than one mounting point even if the camera is made from stainless steel because lets be honest, you are not going to put a grand worth of monitor on with only one 1/4-20, even if you use NATO rails its usually bolted with two screws. And then again keep in mind that ours are reinforced from the inside of the body. Even if want to you cannot get those inserts out without breaking more than 1cm worth of plastic first which is impossible to do by hand. I would argue that you could tow a car with just one of those inserts.
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I am so glad that you have deleted the brass knuckles handle. Simon Cade was definitely looking for something he could have taken you out with to run off with the camera 😂🤣
🤣🤣 yeah...he was really impressed by it
wow is there a cooling system in the box? Any plans for G2? As a Blackmagic Micro Studio G2 owner that is perfection and touch screen, wow just wow. it is painful adjusting the setting when you're on the road. it would be great if V-mount is an option within purchase since i'm using with Ronin RS4 and Tilta Hydra. I did some mod with G2 but after seeing this wow just wow. Hopefully it wont be too expensive. Cheer guys. Fantastic job.
Hi, thank you 🙌🏾
Yes the camera has cooling. Micro's are great cameras but very hard to control unless using an Atem.
At the moment this is only for the G1 as we prefer the look over the G2. Once we've completed a few goals we may look at a G2 but no promises.
Super excited about the eve and aurora, tho i genuinely woildnt want to build so maybe have a paid option to be pre built? Id totally invest into that.
Cheers man, yeah I think there should be both options. That makes sense
Seriously AMAZING work guys, wow! It is a GORGEOUS body!! Blackmagic should hire you guys outright to design all of their future cameras. Their body design engineers kind of suck LOL. Btw, if you could add chapter markers that would be helpful as I don't have time to watch the entire video. Apologies if you mention this in the video, but any reason you went with the Micro as the base instead of the 6K FF?
I wish they would 😁 I thought about chapter markers but didn't want people to skip anything 😅
The main thing in this build was to avoid Sony imx sensors. Although I still use Sony and it's great, these new cameras are all starting to look very similar with that sharp digital look. Yes you can grade it, use different lenses etc but we just love the look of this Fairchild sensor.
We considered doing a micro G2 but decided against it.
The p6k internals are too big and that would've ruined the ergonomics.
@@Altcine This is a massive achievement in an of itself! It's not the camera for me unfortunately because ultimately I need a sensor capable of 6K60 and 4K120. I hope one day BM hires you guys and you bring an affordable camera to life under their massive resources that checks all the boxes!
Where can I buy those suppose bottom bracket for my rig please send link so I can purchase a few
Sorry, which bottom bracket?
Amazing work! The handle is for sale?
Thank you. It will be very soon.
First for the algorithm 😉
Thank you my brother 🙌🏾🙌🏾
For a micro 4/3 sensor the image looks very very clean
Thank you, it's actually super16 so waaaay smaller than m43. I did use a speedbooster for most of the shots though, apert from the shots with the horses at the beginning.
Dazzling work, it would be in the best interest of everyone including Blackmagic to put you fellows in charge of developing a separate product line.
Thank you so much. It would be amazing to develop something for them. With such limited resources we think it's a fantastic camera so could only imagine what's possible with their backing.
We could make some many prototypes for them to choose from.
@@Altcine This should be a reality.
First 30 seconds: "Hey, lawyers, this is for you..."
Haha yeah. It was either that or go through the whole video chopping bits out.
@@Altcine Unfortunately necessary when everyone has a lawyer on speed dial...
Bros. You guys did what BMD should have done. Absolutely incredible work. I would buy one of these over the pic all day everyday. Wow
Thank you so much. This means a lot to us 🙏🏾
I've got 3 questions, 1. Why does the video sample look like a cool tint (mild blueish colour) compared to the pocket 6k? 2. Is the v2 going to be the final model for sale? 3. Will I be able to buy Eclipse from Canada without shipping cost lol?!
Ummm which sample in particular? The first sample with the horses has a heavy grade but the rest only have slight traces of teal skies etc.
There will be only a V2 because this V1 is pretty much perfect so no need for us to do much more than the upgrades I spoke about.
There's only a few going to be made but they will ship internationally and I suspect you will have some sort of customs charge.
Thank you, Where i can order it?
Thank you so much for your donation ❤
We've got the new screen etc on order so once we've completed the V2 for our first customer and this one is upgraded and tested, we will put all info on our website and send out a news letter.