How Accurate is FGO's Edmond Dantes?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.ค. 2024
- How well does Fate/Grand Order portray Edmond Dantes, The Count of Monte Cristo? How close is Dantes' in-game version to his literary counterpart? In this video we delve into his character design, in-game skills, and characterization in order to determine that, followed up by giving it a grade in terms of its accuracy to the source material. Was Edmond Dantes a shadowy figure who worked behind the scenes to enact his plans for revenge? Find out here!
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00:00 Intro
00:15 Class
00:39 Character Design
01:21 Skillset
02:37 Noble Phantasm
05:05 Craft Essence
05:27 JasonDoesWhatever
06:18 Characterization
10:08 Conclusion
10:58 Final Grade - เกม
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My favorite Servant ever. He literally lives in my mind (the protagonist's) mind rent free. And he's just so cool with his back against the enemy firing lasers, laughing sinisterly, and stuff hahahahah
Something I would to add, is that (according to some) the Count may be the actual Servant contracted with Fujimaru, as he can be seen protecting them (in the mind/dream realm) even when they had supposedly ended their contracts with every other Servant after Solomon.
You are referring to later JP events. This is indeed what I have heard, and was alluding to in the video. I just don't want to actively spoil JP stuff for NA players - even if I, as an NA player, am basically spoiled rotten.
That’s an interesting theory. It would certainly explain why Dantes is so loyal to Ritsuka and how he’s stuck around for so long even after Solomon’s defeat (since like you said, Ritsuka dissolved all their contracts with their Servants, yet Dantes was still present). Heck, the whole reason why he’s in Melty Blood is to bring Mash back to Chaldea.
Not really a spoiler. His interlude after solomon tells you he's the reason guda hasnt burntout from the sheer stress of maintaining that many contracts
He's literally fighting your stress for you
Perhaps, if you want to seek out a more focused characterization of Edmond Dantes, you should look for the CD Drama around him and The Monte Cristo of the Nasuverse, and how he was the one that put an end to Michael Roa Valdamjong in the FGO timeline, the person that caused most of his pain and suffering in his Fate counterpart. It is an extremely interesting and cool read/listen, consider it.
The CD Drama is freely avaliable fully subbed on TH-cam, just search it up.
you gotta revisit this when the count of monte cristo comes to NA
after reading "The Count of Monte Cristo", I would agree that the Servant Count of Monte Cristo's spirit origin is more heavily influenced when his desire for revenge was at its strongest in order for him to fit his class type. And while he acknowledges that Edmund Dante found peace at the end of the story, that stage of the character's life would be unfit for the class of Avenger as I interpret the class as something similar to the beserker class. That is, a key aspect/characteristic must be constantly present to fit the class rather than a skill from their history that the other classes are based on.
And now there's a second Dantés that's supposed to be when he was in the middle of his vengeance quest
Such a great video covering my favorite servant, thank you for this!
I think some more interesting points about Dantès are the following: apparently his design, specifically the first ascension, resembles a post-revolutionary suit, which fits the time period he lived in. The design he’s given for his drama CD, designed by the same artist who drew Camazotz (Routo Usagi), leans much more into his mysterious and elegant aristocratic persona of the Count and gives us an idea of what he looked like in his lifetime in the fate universe.
As for his skills, the names suit him perfectly and I like that he has solid offensive power, but I think he’s lacking too much in defensive capabilities. He needs support if he’s not supposed to die early on (even at LV.120), which honestly does him such a disservice, considering his character goes through hellish experiences that might’ve killed the average human, but are meant to show how resilient and determined he was, how hope made him stronger. A guts or evade skill on him would’ve been nice.
I’ll say this much about his personality: I think Dantès is someone who acts rationally, but isn’t always direct with others. Many have trouble keeping up with his way of speaking, it’s even joked about in a "You’ve Lost Ritsuka Fujimaru“ episode. As such it may comes across like he’s saying half-truths (and he definitely does this in the Prison Tower event, hiding until the end that this action was meant to save Fujimaru from a deadly curse), but at his core he’s very genuine and driven by a strong sense of justice, both because he’s someone who was wronged so severely in life but also because throughout his life he helped those in need, both before and after his imprisonment. You could say it’s in his nature.
His class doesn’t allow him to let go of his feelings of anger that fuel his revenge (specifically the oblivion correction passive functions like this in the lore), so it’s very likely he plays along with it and potentially exaggerates the act to the point it comes across as uncaring or absurd to people. But even going all the way back to the Garden of Sinners event it’s clear he cares deeply and has allied with Chaldea because they align more with his values. Shiki’s comment that he loves humanity on a fundamental level is especially noteworthy to me, as well as his own statement that he had hoped to be a tiny light of hope able to save Fujimaru, similar to how Abbé Faria had saved him. Many point out his chaotic evil alignment, but it’s important to keep in mind that the servants’s alignments are based on their self perception. Ereshkigal for example is a very beloved chaotic evil servant.
Finally, I absolutely agree that Dantès is meant to play a bigger part yet to be fully shown to us players. There is too much mystery surrounding him, from his origins in his profile being listed with a question mark (written as "Origin: Dumas’ The Count of Monte Cristo?“) to his eyes resembling those of demon pillars, not to mention how little screen time he’s had for a character whose role is something as important as guarding the main character’s subconscious 24/7. I honestly hope he appears more in Ordeal Call, he’s one of if not the most loyal servant in canon next to Mash, and I’d love to see him leave the shadows he’s so comfortable hiding in to show just how far he’s willing to go for his beliefs and solidify the bond he has with Fujimaru.
Dantes saves our bacon dozens of times as pretty much our biggest line of defense within dreams, which is also probably the most common route of attempting to salsa us.
Since you mention that... dream attacks do happen fairly often don't they?
@@CrazyYuriewell.... Yes. The problem with the master of chaldea is that he/her, under normal circumstances, is surrounded by heroic spirits that would gladly meat shield him. Many of those heroes wield concepts, nukes, galaxy destroying abilities and more. Going against him in a frontal attack is the height of stupidity and sneak attacks don't work well either thanks to all the assasin class servant's being able to tell that your gunning for him that way. Not to mention clairvoyance type servants. So, how do you target him then? You target his mind. There are (excuse me if I am wrong but those two are the only I know that can there are probably more) two servants that can interact with the master's mind through Mash's passive defense, Merlin and the count. Merlin doesn't really help most of the time, he tell you what to do and not much else. So the count has to step up and with flames that burn corruption while he himself is quite immune to mental effects? Who could be better?
@@talesoftime5795canon wise, there are 3 people who 24/7 protecting guda's mind which is dantes, abby and oberon. All three are EXTREMELY powerful in the mind powers/protection ranking, mashu doesnt have mental protection only poison and merlin never helped us during any mental attack shenanigans ever that i can remember, always dantes
@@tixrobux2930 Mash has so many passives I just assumed she did have something for it, especially as we don't get mind warped by Aphrodite and her beam in LB5 even though Sherlock fell under it and he has a very sharp mind but guess not. I won't lie I forgot about Abby but I don't know too much about Oberon so I didn't know he had mental abilities beside screwing with it. Merlin I stated that he probably could but simply won't, Morgan could probably also help but I think 3 servant's are enough I suppose.
@@talesoftime5795 breh guda resisted aphrodite is BECAUSE of dantes protecting you, mashu doesnt have alot of passive after inheriting galahad shield but the amount of times we got poison/curse and surviving does makes you think she has alot of passive when she actually doesnt have, reminder merlin couldnt see oberon during lb6, so whenever we talk to him, merlin sees it as guda talking to himself. Oberon himself is pretty OP, his NP could swallow the whole planet, which btw theres only less than 10 people in the whole Nasuverse could actually do a significant damage to the planet/gaia cause gaia is EXTREMELY poweful, you know those lb6 fae who are in the same tier as servants? Gaia creation, woodwose arei that managed to survive without a heart? Gaia creation. Excalibur , the weapon that could one shot everything that deems a threat to the planet? Gaia creation
So this is the first video of yours I came across and I enjoyed your take and fully agree with your analysis in regards to Edmond Dantes (my fav fictional character, whom I've maxed everything in FGO). He is definitely a complicated character and despite being an Avenger, is quite different from others of the Avenger class. His revenge and rage has always felt like a righteous justice of sorts against being wronged/accused/betrayed. He definitely is very much like his fictional self. Great job!
Thanks! I'm glad you've discovered my little channel here on TH-cam. More videos are in the works, of course! ^_^
Ordeal Call 2 just dropped on JP a few weeks ago and it gave us A LOT of new things to uncover about Dantes and The Count of Monte Cristo. Though im sure it might be difficult to review the story, but i hope maybe one day you'll be revisiting The Count again on another video!
So I've heard. :o
You should really have mentioned the FGO Drama CD: Heroic Spirit's Lore Strange Tales: Edmond Dantès.
It addresses all the specific differences the Fate version of Dantes has to the book version (and boy, there are quite a few things on how the "actual" Dantes (as compared to the book version that does exist within the world of FGO) was integrated into the Nasuverse, involving the Congregation of the Eighth Sacrament, Dead Apostles and the true reason why Abbé Faria was imprisoned in the Nasuverse). That would have really rounded out this review.
Here is a link to subbed version of the Drama CD as a playlist:
th-cam.com/play/PL1__UIt7q4hzRt8dI_7EVUTa5iuaR4pr5.html
Oh hi Jkosch!
I think this depicts Edmond dantes is more a personification of his said vengeance which probably explains why he doesn’t like being called Edmond dantes but rather his class instead that’s my theory on it at least since he seems more vengeance focused
Im pretty sure he has "?" luck is because Iron will EX basically makes all luck and fate moot.
It's a very interesting detail that Dantes was designed by the main artist of the Danganronpa series, which heavily deals with themes of hope vs despair, which fit Dantes to a T. The "wait and hope" line is what picked my attention to the coincidence :v
I've still yet to play Danganronpa. It's been in my Steam backlog for years. x_x
@@CrazyYurie Prepare your heart and AVOID SPOILERS LIKE THE PLAGUE ! It's a really good time tho :p
@@alexsanderivan6511 I've played Higurashi, Clannad, Steins;Gate, Umineko, etc. Pretty sure I can handle whatever it throws at me. :P
Attended Et Esperer is actually the name of one of Edmond's Noble Phantasms. Its a recovery and support NP that heals an ally and temporarily raises parameters
It acually makes kinda sense too me that Dantes has not yet gotten his Revange. Cause could he even be summoned AS an Avanger when he had a happy ending, died with his revange fulfilled? I dont think so, he probably mellowed out a lot after his plan went off (I have no idea how long e lived after he got his Revange) So maybe thats needed to summon him as an Avanger, to be before he ever got his Revange. It could be that maybe one day we get a Ruler Version that is Edmond AFTER he fulfilled his Revange and has thus calmed down immensly
i can say in the recent story chapter we got a new form and further story points , i can say you may want to touch back on this very soon
So I've heard.
2:16 This caught me offguard, bruh Henry Cavill looks like a "baby-face" compare to now with beard and muscle is just a surprised
It caught me by surprise too, which is why I decided to point it out.
@@CrazyYurie Thank to you i know thats him, kinda funny
Gotta admit, I also thought it was "Enter". Goodness gracious I used to have french clases, how did I not notice that? Also prior to playing FGO I hadn't heard of his story before, so I thought he had something to do with Dantes Aligieri, the Divine Comedy guy. Even after finding out that there was no connection, I struggle to Identify him as french. Somehow he just gives me italian vibes?
Well the island of Monte Cristo is off of the Italian coast, but Dantes himself is very much French. As for language, I took Japanese. I've forgotten much of it, but at least I'm unlikely to mess up any pronunciations there. That will help when I eventually get to cover Japanese servants. :D
@@CrazyYurie by the way did u find the full character materials on FGOguide or you forgot again? Or this was before u found them? XD
A comparison that I've never really found mentioned anywhere but I feel is of note is with the Phantom Stranger, of DC Comics fame. For one...well, just look at the Stranger. The dark blue mantle (that does indeed become a coat with some artists) with the matching hat and a bit of jewelry prominently on the middle of it (usually gold, but in modern times silver.
Strange, stubbornly insistent on being as indirect and vague with as many things as possible when speaking, occasionally trying others. Seemingly of great strength, yet mostly just appears (when directly) in order to nudge things in a desired direction. Grandiose and ominous with a flair for the dramatic, shrouded in more questions than you can begin to keep track of easily. And, of course, doing his best to keep an eye on things from the shadows, and firmly on the side of the heroes in spite of his shadiness.
Granted, it could be my nerd showing and it's purely a massive coincidence, but it's still something that sticks out to me far too much to not notice.
Admittedly that's not something I'd easily think of. Comics are a bit outside of my usual domain. x_x
@@CrazyYurie Some would say one's better off not getting in to them now, but still it could just be a massive coincidence
Then again on the other hand, FGO servants love to include shoutouts to all kinds of other franchises, and a lot of Servants and stories are known to have surprisingly deep cuts and obscure (or out-of-the-blue) references so who knows?
@@yichlyichl4204 Hopefully i'll be able to pick up on some, even without being an active fan of the material
This series is a gem!
Thank you! :D
Awesome video
Thanks! :D
Huh, as i dont have Dantes I never knew about the luck stat thing. I wonder if that makes him either Immune to Gae Bolgs certain death, since Luck and endurance are the key ways to survive it.
So....according to FGO, Edmond Dantes is affiliated as "Chaotic Evi" and dislikes "Everything". He acts like a villain, says villain-worthy lines, and plays dirty...like a villain (+ his historical counterpart also has parts worthy of a villain/antihero arc)
With all this:
Why does Edmond Dantes help us if he has declared that he doesn't care about anything and likes to bring devastation, when letting his enemies win would make the devastation that Dantes desires come true? Is he stupid?
Or is it a case of questionable or confusing writing in the same style as Koyanskaya (who "surprised expectations" and threw away a plot that was being built for more than 4 years in FGO) and Gilgamesh (who, despite many materials and Interpretations say that he is not evil, he is still the evil villain of various media in Fate)
My understanding of how Fate alignment works is that it is more "self perception" than an actual objective rating. Gilgamesh is probably the best example of that, since he is clearly not "good". At the very least, while it uses the same terms as the DND alignment system, it does not seem to work the same way.
As for why Dantes helps us despite claiming to hate everything, I'd say it the same thing behind him claiming that he is not actually Dantes: that he lies. Asking about his likes/dislikes is a question he answers himself. There is no rule saying that he has to tell the truth. :o
To be fair about old Gil, it's usually outside circumstances (AKA Grail Mud) that makes him an active evil in the world, mostly he's just an asshole. He can still be a 'force' of good, so to speak. Pretty much outside the fourth and fifth grail war, he's generally portrayed as a good guy, if the most arrogant motherfucker ever.
@@CrazyYurie Maybe Dantes says he's not Dantes... but... Is it a lie?
The Dantes of FGO is the real Dantes who is only lying to pretend that he is not the real Dantes, but an imposter (Dantes for the "Pretender" class when?)
Dantes's situation of whether he is an ally or just there to stab us in the back when you least expect it is similar to a certain Kirby character whose motto is "Is he your ally, or is he...all lies?" (Oberon's faithful and close friend)
@@nadontcare9684too add context to this Gilgamesh also didn’t like the trajectory of the modern era during his time in the fifth holy grail war. As an observer of humanity he wants the best for humanity having faith in our potential best seen in FGO when he witnesses the efforts made by fujimaru mash and Chaldea which results in his assistance to our cause.
But if he doesn’t like the trajectory of humanity’s potential if he sees us lacking he will not hesitate to restart the clock and expect humanity to do better.
This can best be see in his own civilization in Uruk. We see in the Babylonia singularity how everyone works and contributes even during the demonic front conflict and because of this Gilgamesh sees them with favor and considers all of them his treasure (also helps that this is also post journey living gilgamesh). And when we arrive to Uruk at first gilgamesh doesn’t see much potential in us seeing us as excess but once we prove our merit to him he has no problem praising us and acknowledging that our “excess” was just what he needed.
In other words gilgamesh is the worlds strictest human critic.
@@brunosanto3488 @CrazyYurie you're forgetting the actual *reason* he says he's not the real Edmond Dantes, he says that the actual Edmond was eventually able to overcome his struggles and settle down after learning the lesson that vengeance isn't always for the best but due to how Fate's system works FGO's Edmond is an embodiment of the relentless vengeance seeker aspect and thinks he's not the real Edmond because he can't let vengeance go
essentially he think's he's a hollow version of himself that only has Vengeance despite his real self he's based on eventually moving on
According to a book, Dantes' hair is black or very dark (can't remember this clearly, but clearly not white). So white hair of this version scratches my eye a bit.
In the novel Dantès' hair were black originally, but after spending a decade in a closed cell underground without any sun, he becomed so pale (and his hair becomed white) to the point that when he return to Marseille and Paris he was considered a vampire.
Great video and there is more to his Noble Phantasm. Enfer, Chateau d'if is not his suffering in prison but his escape. He is just as badass as he uses offensively a Noble Phantasm meant to be used as a retreat/support. The actual effect of it is just being able to escape even outside reality, the reason why he can be in the dream of Chaldea's Master or go even to Shimousa without rayshifting leaving a small opening for Kotaro to enter.
I would also like to add that he has a passive noble phantasm in his flames named Monte Cristo Mythologie, which is his main offensive attack, and a Curative Noble Phantasm using his catchphrase Attendre et Espere, it can even do stat boost and resurrect the dead. Sorry Asclepius two words are more potent than your medicine made from gorgon blood. So my crack theory is when he was saying to the last master, he was revitalizing him to continue to fight the curse of Solomon since the first time he said it.
I actually do wait and hope to get a young Edmond Dantes with his riding skills or a ruler version of his old days because he would be a great fit for it. Only time will tell what would be the role of the Count of Monte Cristo in the story, he would never tell us directly even if we ask him.
I always loved that his NP is literally: "Fuck reality. Fuck Physics. Fuck gravity. I do as I please" and starts floating or pass through walls just because he decides to escape reality's laws
will u be updating this video when ordeal call 2 comes out
I'm curious considering Edmond was a main character in Ordeal Call 2, even getting a new servant form called Count of Monte Cristo, do you plan on making a follow up video when Ordeal Call 2 comes to NA?
Eventually.
With the new story Stuff involving him and Avengers, now I am sad.
I've yet to look deeply into OC2. :o
Now u gotta do fgo’s count of monte cristo, the more edgy brother
I want to see a true anime adaptation of the Count of Monte Cristo. Gankutsuou was good but not a true adaptation, despite covering the novel the most out of all the movies and shows done.
Why does he look like a danganronpa character
Same artist.
Super High School Level Avenger