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- My thoughts about the Classic versus Retail issue that's been heavily discussed within the World of Warcraft community.
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Classic just had a vibe of mystery and discovery to it. I still remember just walking around the starting zones and looking at the vast world map, thinking I want to see it all.
For me, hardcore classic has completely reinvigorated the game. All zones are populated, people talk and cooperate, economy works etc. All because people are leveling all the time as they die constantly, which also means there's so much work on the line at all times. Last night I did Scarlet Monastery and it was exhilarating. It's the best version of WoW I've played since Vanilla.
ive never played wow before Legion (and that was on the free trial thing at the time.) but it never could hold my attention very long. the game was kind of boring tbh. although i kept trying once in a while. but i thought id give hardcore a go since i really enjoy permadeath in games. and ive been having insane amounts of fun. i didnt think it was possible for me to enjoy wow but i absolutely love hardcore. as you said, theres always people everywhere and because the game is actually challenging, it almost requires to go and ask for help with certain quests and situations. actually a first mmorpg ive played that ACTUALLY feels like what an mmorpg is supposed to be.
Preach@@moonprincess_xoxo
Absolutely! On top of that I'd add the emphatic feeling you have towards other players. I was saved a lot of times and also saved some low levels players on HC, which is amazing! It's like you know how hard it is to put levels on your char and when you see another player struggle you want to help them, which creates an awesome atmosphere in the game. HC WoW is the best WoW!
holey god i could not play wow classic on hardcore, the game is already hard enough as it is so i enjoy playing it casually, started a character 2 days ago on wotlk classic and i am loving it.
That’s beautiful, I feel the same in hardcore.
I think a big problem with retail is the competitiveness of max level content and it being the only way to play the game. Leveling in hardcore classic has been so much fun for me because I can make my crazy builds and not be concerned if I'm performing or not. I'm just creating my own adventure. In retail I fell anxious before I even enter a dungeon, afraid that I might miss out on one very important talent that will drop my DPS. I think the new talent system of DF is amazing, I just don't have fun using it in PvP M+ or Raiding.
I agree, Blizzard should change what they think, max level content is not all.
Isn't there's a ton of content in-between max level content?
Even at mex level.. Can't you find groups that aren't worried your running the absolute meta for your class?
This seems like extreme raids is where you would find those types of players?
I'm a new player looking to get started in WoW.
The journey is always the best part
Alone together. Love that. I think that hits home with a lot of people. We want to play solo my ourselves but also the company of others is nice even if we aren't talking or doing anything else.
Thank you man, exaxtly my thoughts. I love to start as a simple "peon" and build my way up.
Dragonflight had a strong start (like most new expacs), but I feel like it didn't capture the visage of 'warcraft' like classic-wotlk and even cata had
I genuinely enjoyed your video man. Can't wait for more!
Vanilla player here
Recently checked things out ingame, first thing I saw was a "vulpar" or something. He had no buffs and I was confused how a toy made him change appearance without a buff... how tf is that a playable race
It's a travesty that Blizzard made Vulpar a playable race before Ogres.
Well thought out video and writing. Keep up the good work.
Thanks! It means a lot to know that it's watchable as I am still new to this!
Great video man, agree with a lot of your points however I am terrified of Blizzard developing anything to do with Classic (IE: Classic+).... they simply fail at developing anything these days and will most likely just fail.
I agree this comment. I want to see wow classic+ but, I think Blizzard now doesn't have enough philosophy to make it
SOD had been awesome. Seems like a hot take.
I tried retail. I really enjoyed Dragonflight. It wasn't until I got decked out in raiding gear and had to go to Mythic to continue gearing. I couldn't get a group because I hadn't done any of the dungeons on mythic and my gear score wasn't 10 levels above the minimum. I had gone back to retail from Wrath because I was running into issues getting into raids because of not having the achievements to prove I had done the raid (even though I had done it countless times the first time around in Wrath) Then they had to check their stupid website to see what kind of times I'd been getting in dungeons ect. And then they would accept someone else who turns out paid gold to be carried through dungeons and didn't know anything about the mechanics (found this out because a friend of mine made it into the group when I didn't.) but after returning from Dragonflight, it had gotten even worse because they had started doing the stupid application/interview process with Heroics. This was when I was done with it. I missed how Classic was and decided to go back to vanilla. I was super stoked that it was as busy as it was when I logged on. Now I'm loving how fun Hardcore is and I can acutally enjoy myself again.
Real talk I hate the community for being filled with people like that. Very unhealthy attitude towards a fucking game and usually they're not nearly as good as they believe to be to warrant such a stringent "application" process.
Wow's attempts to be "competitive" and "balanced" are by far the things that hold it back the most on retail.
Classes suck because one can never be too far ahead of the other so they're always getting reworked, only for there to be clear broken specs and classes every patch ANYWAYS so not only is it ineffective, it's completely wasted effort
I haven't played DF since like 2 weeks into the first major patch. One thing that bother me was actually something simple, flying. Like I like dragon flying and it was cool and such. Overtime I was like ok can we let our other mounts be able to fly now? Like I know it's a little thing but I do enjoy flying around with my other mounts. On a serious note, being a healer from what I have read since the first major patch has been not good at all. Since all my guys I M+ with are healers, I knew I didn't want to deal with that headache lol.
There's quite a few things Blizzard - as an institution - has never quite understood about the appeal of Classic WoW. This is best encompased by the "you think you do, but you don't" statement that was so obviously wrong.
The continued appeal of Classic WoW is down to several points, some of which you pointed out in this video. But namingly:
1. The world was vast and open. Finding your own way is far more memorable than being funneled through a set path.
2. Inconvenience creates meaningful interactions. If your interactions are limited to an automated queue and efficiency becomes the guiding metric, then you lose the MMO part of your RPG. And that makes it shallow.
3. Imperfect balance: Blizzard never quite understood that it was okay for some classes to be unique. In fact, it makes up a big part of the class fantasy and appeal. Sure, Heroism was powerful. But it also made Shamans feel awesome. Vampiric Embrace was unique and cool. The Hunter class quest was great. And it's okay for classes to be special, even if it's unbalanced.
4. On a similar note, loot in Classic was also imperfectly balanced. You had random trinkets being BiS because of some quirky interaction. But again, that made it meaningul. Hardly anyone in retail gets emotionally invested in their gear as it will be replaced by the next patch.
5. Redering you past content obsolete is just incredibly wasteful. I know it's not technically true, but so much of Blizzard's content over the years has become obsolete. Such as shame, as the game hasn't really grown much in depth. Only in bredth.
6. People like an "easy" game. I know the latest raiding content gets the most attention. But actually, few people enjoy such challenging content. Just look at how frequently Classic raids are still done, despite being trivial. While it does matter having "aspirational content", it only needs to make up a small part of the game.
Anyway, I think the continued success of classic is teaching Blizzard a lesson. I'm just not sure if they're willing to listen.
very nice comment.
I always try my best to learn all the fights and learn the most efficient way to do things. I am a bricklayer and it is much the same. Precision, timing, and relentless pursuit of a goal are at the forefront. I just enjoy doing those things in a way that does not hurt the body so much. And yes, everything after that you said was right... About getting the right addons. I still do not have my interface the way I want it. And then I play so many classes too that sometimes the different interfaces clash. Ug, and macros!?! They too are a pain but you got to do them. Every little bit that you can do to be the best is nice and you can look back at it. No one else will really care but whatever.
I don't know why but something about the connection between monetizing level boosts and the focus of mostly delivering content at "end game" clicked. It's just another example of how some games create a problem and sell the solution.
yeah, I agree. leveling and exploring world and interations among users was main contents in classic, but in retails, it is just useless waste of time. Retail just focuses on just only instant dungeons and that's all. And this makes I do classic
how do I even play the classic version, there is only hardcore?
There are regular and hardcore relams available, you just need the standard subscription. You will see the option to install classic wow within Battlenet on desktop.
in which expansion does it play then?@@SeawulfTV
You can either play WOTLK or Vanilla.
Classic is by far more immersive and addictive. But for me it takes too much time. And a lot of it is wasted time. Also when I used to play I was 13. So when I was in a raid and it was on master loot I didn't know what was going on and I just never got any items. Ended up pissed and went back to retail. There's definitely benefits and quality of life upgrades in retail. You're right that you shouldn't have to use Google and TH-cam to figure out how to play a game.
For me it has always been, and will always be, the social aspect; “does this game require me to actually work with and interact with others in a way that’s both fun and mutually beneficial?” If it answers that question then it will always win out for me. Classic WoW always answers this question, apart from solo mage play but that’s a whole different player type. There is no greater sense of camaraderie and group accomplishment than shutting down an entire questing zone by killing its enemy factions flight master, etc.
Great video well explained old school vanilla classic gamer here
As someone who started wow with classic 2019. I will never play retail. Just too much shit in retail
9:20 what is this??
It's from the Final Fantasy XIV Dawntrail trailer.
Can't wait for blizzconn hopefully they announce classsic plus
Hopium
lets hope not. nobody who developed this game will be helping so it will be shit if it happens. it sucks to know that. id prefer it wasnt true
I think that Addons aswell removed big part of fun aswell, like questie and etc.
Why isn't classic just free to play? I wonder how many people would actually go for it without having to cough up the retail sub
Blizzard being Blizzard, they just want to keep you hooked with that subscription to make some extra money...
I love retail. The Zandilary quest line was great and the count less more that are in the game now. I really do love it
I love retail raids, however i cant stand the cartoon graphics and goofy run animations 😅
do you believe in add ones? i played wow since day one and no add ones.
I am not a fan of addons. I only have Questie on my hardcore character, in case I forget any quests.
Old WoW gave you a purpose and progression felt real. You went out and struggled to gain levels and gold so you could learn more abilities. You ran dungeons to get big gear upgrades that felt impactful. All so you could hit 60 and start slaying elemental lords and massive dragons. Now, you are rushed to max level so you can grind the same dungeon on repeat so you can get some forgettable upgrade with a slight stat increase with no cool effect.
You are spot on about shadowlands.. I just wanted to PVP that expansion I was forced to grind Pve regularly just to get a small time into PvP. It was also extremely alt unfriendly. I never understood there their decisions that expansion and I quit.
He spends hours in a dungeon, meanwhile I spend hours waiting for a Tank.
be the tank you wish to see
Dungeons and raids suck because I don’t know them and I can’t learn them without doing them. I will never vote someone out.
6:20 - how do people not seeing it as a problem that people are EXPECTED to watch a 15 minute video to get the meta routes and how to handle mechanics....
you're supposed to be able to encounter something for the first time and with tutorial knowledge get through the challenge.
that means - AoE should be telegraphed - "tankbusters" should be telegraphed. stacking debuffs should be clear and share visual indicators to what type it is. is it a mounting amount of vulnerability? is it able to be decursed/dispelled, if not WHAT DO YOU NEED TO DO TO GET RID OF IT?
WoW doesn't do that, because of that we need weakauras to discern these things. Like you get 15 seconds in vanilla to recognise you've gota bomb on you and to move away from people.
but you have to read the debuff to know that - 15 seconds is enough time though.
most bosses in wotlk classic has mechanics that you have no idea to know what they do. like what does Krystallus shatter do? you get slowed and stunned and then you either take like 1k dmg or get one-shot..... no explanation, no indicators that have been tutorialised in questing content as to how you're supposed to handle this KIND of mechanic...
The more instances of this you have the more players are incentivised to DO HOMEWORK about PLAYING content... that's not fun...
I'm a new player of wow and I have no idea what's going on in retail and I'm thinking about starting playing classic because it looks more simple and new player friendly.
oh my gosh! thats amazing
I started in Wrath and have zero nostalgia for Vanilla. In March 2019, I gave up on BFA. Took a break. Discovered FFXIV in June and played ever since. Tried Classic on launch night and let my one month sub lapse. Last year during the prelaunch for Wrath Classic I started a BE Paladin on a PVE Server - got her to Nothrend. During the first DF Prelaunch I got a retail character or two up to 60. Then let sub lapse.
I bought DF during the recent half price sale. Got a character to 70. Then went back to Classic. My Pally is doing Sholozar Basin.
Satisfied for now.
I just started wow, I come from ffxiv…. i tried retail and I tried classic and so far I’m leaning to classic… still running around lost but im having fun …. More than likely i might stay on classic idk lets see…
Kudos for retail running almost 20 years now….but it became so bloated.
Even I who played since 05 think some kind of reset would be nice l. Like a realm reborn
i like both but retail caters more to me in terms of QoL i need to do content i want in game. outside of that i'd probably still play retail for the story progression.
My first mmo was swtor and its really hard for me to even play classic wow. Its to slow for and yelling in chat for a group is horrible. Ffxiv and retail wow still dont have qol stuff that swtor had since day 1. lol
Im a FFXIV player but havent touched it in awhile, i have the mmo itch rn and wanna get into something. just cant decide if i want to try to get into wow or swtor rn
This video was damn impressive.
6:20 This allways kick me out of the game, i just wanna play the game not study a fcking degree
want to start wow but dont know what to play retail or classic can someone help
You should try hardcore, it could be hard but there is a lot of ppl willing to help
If u die you can transfer to a classic era server and keep your journey
If you want to start you can try out both versiosn and see what you enjoy. There are plenty of resources out there for pretty much any aspect of the game.
Cata
For DF I liked the graphics and open world and dragon riding but the dungeons and gear progression was awful.
5 man dungeons are badly designed, tanks are too fast so you can barely keep up, Mana and health are mostly non existent, chromie time ruined the early game world.
The Lunch came
good video
Classic is just WoW for people who can't handle more than 2apm and 1 mechanic per boss.
its a fun open world rpg and its really the most telling era of the game that actually felt like a true rpg. BUT, its not 2004 anymore, players are exponentially better, and classics ENDGAME is extremely piss poor. the endgame content is so boring, because its main selling point is the open world and then theres not really anything to do in the open world once you hit 60. classic has better leveling, and retail has infinitely better endgame. i prefer retail by a million miles. i dont wanna hit target dummy bosses for gear that i lose the bid on because someone bought more gold than i did.
Raid logging isn't fun endgame either. It might have a thousand mechanics, what does it matter if it's only once a week from 18 till 21? If you ignore the vanilla raids, which I agree are poor and I also don't like that the gear obtained there makes dungeon gear completely obsolete. So, if you ignore raids, the game feels like a true MMORPG, with the next upgrade always almost in reach. The dungeons have great design, and feel like something you have to use a bit of strategy with. In retail, all dungeons are done within 20 minutes or so while pulling 20+ mobs? I want to feel like an adventurer, not a demi-God! If I wanted to play a hack and slash, I would have played PoE.
in terms of retail you are only talking about extremely low level content. you can do 4 difficulties of the raid a week, you can do mythic+ as much as you want to get gear and push your rating, and for pvp you have 4 different brackets to push in and can queue all d ay to your hearts content. retail is not raid logging in the slightest as raiding has actually become a much more small part of the game. theres also achievement farming and collection/completionism content. you will never run out of active gameplay to do.@@annekekramer3835
Classic isn’t that fun to me. I like to see and feel my abilities. Classic is a slog fest where in retail your abilities actually look and feel good to use.
It’s all opinion based. Not everyone likes classic just like not everyone likes DF. And that’s ok.
2:30 "This won't be one of those videos in which i bash retail and praise classic" proceed to do exactly that
Classic is just better in so many avenues. Everytime I try a new retail expansion I end up either hitting cap level and quitting or not even finishing to reach cap for how boring it is.
There is no dilemma. We know what we want. Classic+
How can it be the "World of Warcraft" when the "world" for you is a queue timer? Where's your interaction with said world, where's your feeling of being part of this living, breathing online world?
It's in Classic HC. Not in Retail.
Retail being trying to save itself since Cata. Outside of the launch spikes its never seen Cata numbers. Wrath numbers are impossible. It's not the same WoW. So much has changed and over complicated it to keep people paying. Classic is simple and gives me the same escape I had in college. And it's not a hallway mmo like most nowadays. Little debate for me.
what an amazing video
The only thing i dont like in classic is that we need to buy spells…
yeah retail's problem more like community player rather than game systems fault i never had these issues with other mmos and classic ...
It's not even close. Vanilla is, and always will be, The King.
If you want to do really well in WoW yeah, read youre stuff, put effort into it. If youre staying in low rated PvP, LFR raids(if youre in norm you should still know mechancs and alittle bit about your class)
You read the guides and set up your UI and stuff once, its worth it, customization is awesome.
NOW if you're trying to run +15 keys or heroic raid+ or do high rated PvP, dont be that guy who is just there pressing buttons not helping at all... put some effort in if you want to do hard content.
Nice vid
Love retail
Vanilla is the best the games been not because the hards are better harder or ect w/e its the best because you actually play it as an mmo in retail and later it pushes further and further away from that
Why can't classic players finally abandon the "classic brain rot" of constantly attributing "a lot of work" to what always boils down to a tedious, monotoneous grind for gold and XP - that has been streamlined by guides to a level that will always rival retail.
It's very simple: Do you like to level up slowly and do tedious quests that take you from continent to continent on foot and give you next to nothing as a reward for doing a single quest that took you nearly an hour? Then play classic. Do you like to level up at a faster rate, but once you reach max level you are met by a massive wall of toxicity in the form of elitism that stonewalls you from doing most of the endgame content effectively? Then play retail.
I really only got kicked from 1 dungeon in the last 2 months, I don’t have a DPS meter or anything, I just play the game… you guys ever think maybe your so worried about item level and meta your forgetting to just play the game?
@@webduelist yea see i tried taking that approach going back into df after taking a break for a bit. But what ive learned is the game incentivizes you in every way to play meta. It causes other players in your groups to resent you for not playing the meta. Affixes are the only new interesting parts of mythics. I tried tanking this this time around and because i havent played every dungeon hundreds of times for every expansion I didnt know routes. This cause keys to be bricked not cause we died just cause we took too long a route. There is just so much investment needed for retail content only to get your character from demigod 5999 to demigod 6000. The formula for time investment vs what you get doesnt make sense to me for both casual and sweaty.
Classic wow is ruining retail. wow Classic is one of the reasons why retail is doing so poorly these days. If a company has to split the money between two games, that was meant for one game, one the main game will go bad sooner or later. Shadowlands is proof of that
Being a healer in retail is infuriating , classic is much better
good video bud
I just don't get why the usual "Retail" video always insists on you downloading/using dozens of addons and reading guides for hours.
This comes across as useless fearmongering when the average new player is probably just going to level a few classes for the first time, questing through different xpacs and doing some world/dungeon content on the entry level difficulties.
Next to no "new" player should ever be conceirned with anything beyond that. And if they are capable of high end content they usually have some prior experience with similar games/content and will still not jump head first into top100 mythic raiding or 0,1% mythic+ runs.
Ok
"It's not a bad game", for years of gamming dictates if a game constantly requires meta and is generally extremely incentivizing for meta; it's basically bad.
The journey is the game, what do people me, the main significance, it is the significance of the entire game, and reason why game exist; I don't understand.
So by that logic, every single game is shit. right?
Its ok if a class is meta, as long as it doesn't inhibit or effect the performance of other classes.
Basically, the content is clearable at a decent pace even if slightly slower.
the problem comes, when a class that is clearly outperforming other classes, and the devs buff every single mob, to make that class not so viable; and at the end nerf every other class indirectly;
Or the devs overtone a new mob only taking in consideration the meta class;
essentially slowly nerfing the nonmeta class; and sometimes it's especially true, when the meta class has immunity; and the devs add piercing; making everybody else suffer.
This is what usually happens in companies.
This is why people hate meta; in specifically blatantly op meta
IN SHORT
"It's like having a newborn child; and giving your attention to the newborn child, while ignoring the older child; causing the older child to feel rejected."
That what people are annoyed at.
В retail версии контент слишком перенасыщен и своей динамикой похож на сессионки. Он чувствуется бездушным по сравнению с WOTLK classic. В классической версии ты ощущаешь прогресс от прокачки, взаимодействия с другими игроками и общения с ними, перелетами и ходьбой между зонами на карте, мировым pvp, ценностью и уникальностью новой вещи и многое другое.
Yes and no.
The big difference is not the game. Retail WOW is exceptional and I don't care what anyone says. Most players, when starting new characters or if they are completely new themselves, prefer to start from the beginning. You can do this in Retail, but it just isn't designed that way. It is better to just jump into BFA & then you are just lost as to what the fuck is going on.
One word for why the old school is superior: culture.
Culture is everything in these games.
But culture is one thing a huge corporation cannot control easily.
Times like these need a hero, an axeman, aThrall.
I tried Dragonflight too and it also didn't capture me. going to spend a couple hours wiping on LK tonight.
i havent given blizzard a dime in the last 10 years. you too can join this legacy by pirating and private servers
Adding flying mounts was the beginning of the end for WoW. No risk of dying going to dungeons when you can just go 50ft up, point in the correct direction and auto-fly. Also, you miss out on seeing the actual world.
Kinda
Yep, flying was the best worst-idea ever implemented in WoW. I'm sure most people didn't see it coming but it ruined *a lot* of the world's immersion.
Nah we very much knew at the time flying would ruin the game is was instantly known
Yeah, It make people can't see each other in world.
My how they ruined this game. They could have kept this game much simpler. Imagine, classic with a few improvements. Not a different game.
for retail i dont like how much is happening on the screen in terms of like ability effects and stuff flying around and stuff on the ground, theres just A LOT going on and in classic its just simple
Here before the bald man
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"alone but together" .. exactly. Retail is together but alone.
I'll say it, Classic is the better game. Sure, retail might be the better game for high end competitive players, but Classic is the better overall game. The world in Classic feels so much bigger, social interaction happens all the time, you see people walking around everywhere so that the world feels alive instead of everyone sitting in Valdrakken in retail using menus to teleport into every bit of content the game has, you actually have to group up with people to get through content out in the world instead of feeling like some invincible warrior due to level scaling in retail. The journey matters in Classic, every level you feel like you accomplished something and you earn it, because the world is dangerous and everything is a pain in the ass. In retail, things are handed to you on a silver platter until end game and then things immediately get overly complicated and kick your ass to such a degree it's not that fun. In Classic you slowly learn how to play your class and get abilities over time, in retail things are thrown at you so fast you can be a max level character and still have no clue how to even kind of play your class properly. Also the lore in Classic makes so much more sense, largely because all the zones have self contained stories that form a wider, more cohesive story of the world, whereas in retail I could start as a night elf in Teldrassil until level 10, then end up in Draenor leveling, and then end up in the Dragon Isles. That story would feel so incredibly confusing and out of place, how is anyone who hasn't played the game forever supposed to understand what the hell is going on.
I know it sounds like I'm bashing retail really hard, and to a degree I am, but the truth is that retail has changed so much from Classic I would barely call them the same game even though they might both be called World of Warcraft. For some people the changes made in retail over the years might be for the best, and that's fine if that's how they feel, but for me, Classic is a superior experience and a better MMO than retail.
Hardcore probably played a part in reinvigorating the love for classic again, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking that 2019 re-release classic suddenly brought back that "oldschool mmo magic" again, people were mage boosting out their asses to skip the journey they so much praised the game for and criticized retail for lacking it, and the community is just as toxic on classic, if not much worse in some cases, they'll absolutely flame you if you don't know the mechanics of this near 2 decade old video game. Not to mention the rampant amount of RMT, which, while it's blizzard's fault for not managing the game, the community is also very complicit in it.
Lol? Classic is not better than Retail by any means lul what you on about
This is very bias title
DF is the most complex the game has been, which is part of why I love retail these days. Classic’s lack of mechanical depth doesn’t keep my attention at all
Classic is actual warcraft, retail is fucking something else (and is trash)
Should stop having expansions after legion
Turtle WoW > Classic > Retail
There is no dilemma. Retail is still more popular and you just live in an echo chamber.
Hardcore WoW fixed this. Vanilla was already hard, but one life? Haha Good luck friends. Stop playing retail garbage, get a life, play HC WoW.
Gets one shot by an abomination at level 17
To me Retail looks like mix of Disney and Korean RP games, so blank and shalow, both from visual and lore side, not to mention WOKE agendas that Blizzard is promoting...pile of shit.
Lol 'woke agenda'. 1 gay person in your game is an agenda, ok, sure pal
5:15 you're literally showing the retail reddit for toxicity, and completely ignoring classic's reddit new posts everyday about toxicity? nice biased vid xD
you don't NEED to play the meta xD people play it because they want to. Shocking, I know.
I've been playing in shadowlands a fury venthyr condemn build warr, in raids/pvp/m+. Was literally outdpsing all the kyrian warrs and most meta specs in the game at that time. Downed 5 mythic raid bosses too in CN while being on the top of the dps meters in every single of my raid groups.
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Classic is hot garbage though
your favorite game has half the content, madness
There is no dilemma.The only dilemma is content creators running out of ideas so they keep pushing this tiersome crap.Classic has its own playerbase so does retail.Retail is way more popular,thats it.
It's simple. Actual Warcraft = good. Gay scalie dragons and gay centaurs together with cute heckin duckies and other woke garbage from Dragonflight = not Warcraft => bad.
Facts. When I found myself helping a gay centaur make a move on his boyfriend I was like “fuck this shit “
Nah, I like classic more than retail, but I'm very much in favour of more gay furry please
this 100%
Based and true.
Remember that the gender select screen is now body type 1 and 2 select in classic too when talking about woke stuff haha