7 Signs Your Pastor is Absolutely Toxic | Church Hurt | Spiritual Abuse
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- Is your pastor toxic? If so, you'll experience church hurt in his/her ministry if you haven't already.
Borrowing from Thom S. Rainer's list of toxic leadership signs, I'm expounding on seven characteristics of unhealthy apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers.
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Favoritism was a BIG one in my former church home. There was always a inner circle.
Right and if you have money they are on you quick...
Favouritism was always a big thing at our church. It was related to one aspect: 💰 money you guessed it. My husband and I didn't have much money therefore we weren't favourites.
Lived this for thirteen years. Spiritual abuse is overlooked. Thank you for sharing!
It is overlooked because the people in the church are afraid of the pastor and they are brainwashed by the pastor
Churches are not a place, church is a people
Pastors need healing and deliverance.
Denise amen , You could not say it better I dont expect no pastor to be perfect as non of us are but we all need to introspect our behavour often and do the self deliverance in what ever area of our life we see weakness,We are ever a work in progress
Yep. Everybody has been wounded and needs healing; especially the pastor.
I need healing form practices
Yes they do
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This is a lady I truly admire. The down votes are to be expected. She is talking about an uncomfortable truth.
Toxic indeed....run! Get in the word yourself. You study to find the truth
Jeremiah 23:1
Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.
I suffered. I was a Worship Leader/Pastor favored and bc of that I was abused. I have forgiven all involved. The one I have a problem forgiving is myself. Ministry came first and was ordered. This destroyed my marriage and family. 2 years ago we were all restored !!!! We don’t go to church anymore. We put God first in our home. Just not church and ministry.
😭😭Dear lord this is the story of wo many, comeLord Jesus come
People are leaving the church at an alarming rate. Church abuse used to get overlooked. But, I’m thankful, that it’s now getting exposed.
“Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,”
Acts 7:48 KJV
People feel like, they have to belong to a church or be in a build, to have a relationship with God. That’s not true. God dwells within us. You can be home, in your car, at work, etc and still build your relationship with him. People, stop allowing these fake prophets to abuse, manipulate, and mind control you for their own good.
Amen
@@judith9047 how happy am i to heard these, i was abuse, and pastor's even preached he is going check the list if you are tithing ang giveng your offering, he said some they just give their tithes without ofering,bi know how much your salary.. its toxic, and every sunday he could mot skip from the topic about giving.
@@bingoneal8960 yeah the spiritual abuse in these churches is phenomenal and these pastors that preach tithing are literally lying to their congregation I'm leaving a link below to someone that is born of the holy spirit and comes from a Jewish background as I do but the only difference is I never practiced Judaism but he gives a complete layout of why God gave the tithing for the children of Israel and it isn't what people are preaching in these churches hope this is of help to you
Amen
I have seen all 7 signs in my church continuously., this will explain why 75% of the members left.
Yep!
I was spiritually abused for years and was bamboozled out of Ten thousand dollars as well. The Pastor told me l would be cursed if l left his church. I finally got so tired and got the courage to leave the church. My entire life turned around. I don’t know where God is taking me next but lm thankful I’m no longer bound in that abusive system.
Vikki Carr too bad so called believers don’t read the bible these days and fear man more than God None of that would have happened if that was the case
Well done for leaving! You're far better off away from such a situation. Diabolical what he said re if you left the church! But just another way of trying to control. Nothing more.
This reminds me of the pastor my mom confronted him and she was fired and kicked out of the church. She was devoted to the church he also got the church members to shun her. I feel so bad for her
TIMOTHY HITT that’s terrible I hope she is doing okay
I hope she found a better church 🙏
But God will lift your mother up and open the eyes of those who shunned her they will be ashamed.
He is a bully from the pulpit.
Just pray for God to strengthen her and encourage her to keep living and loving Jesus. He'll make a way out of no way
Thank you Jennifer for being brave enough to speak out about this issue in the church. Where I come from no one wants to speak about this or even start a process of trying to improve things for fear of being retaliated against especially from the piplit. If we do then it is labeled as rebellion and you are then assused of having a Jezebel spirit. I have seen our youth and others in the church suffer and some have even left the church all together. As for me and my daughter, we had to make the choice to leave and be restored from the abuse we received. We were labels are quitters, rebellious, full of demons, witches, Jezebles, not worthy and worth nothing.
It is a topic I am really passionate about and if effects more people than I think we realize but no one wants to bring it to the light and deal with it. Thank you again for taking this issue head on. It has really helped me to put things in more of a better perceptive and not be bitter or angry about what happened to me and my daughter.
God bless you.
Hi your comment spoke to me. Im sorry you and your daughter had to go through church abuse. It can be very insidious and undercover and many times overlooked until you notice a pattern. Many times the church leaders themselves will create a toxic church environment through favoritism, elitism , gossip, and even public shaming of a particular person they disapprove of. They do this to make themselves look better and feel more powerful, and do not realize that they're hurting the person they decided is not a true Chris follower. They encourage that spirit of gossip by tolerating it and creating it in the guise of trying to help or guide. A toxic leader will never display the fruit of the spirit but instead walk in the flesh (pride, self righteous, debasing others in a so subtle form). And then point the finger at the victim who after awhile will walk away as she is not being built up but torn down and ignored, labeling her as demonic with a jezebels spirit, adding see I told you so she's not really saved! God wants us to forgive and be tender hearted, overlooking offenses, but I also believe He does not want us to associate with a condemning and religious church because it is not of His Spirit of love. Unfortunately too many pastors are not held accountable because they successfully manipulate others, and do many good works and so they think they're walking in love.
Wow! My pastor told me the other day I had demons when I told him I’d been seeing Gods glory cloud and real Angels! I have the seer gifting but to him I’m demonized
Just go straight to Jesus and pour out what is in your heart. Remember in the book of Isaiah, it states, "Cursed is the one who puts trust in Man."
I go to church for my salvation NOT for pastor's favoritism.
Most of us do but that doesn’t exempt us from abuse. I know 1st hand
You go to church to get saved???? I hope I have misunderstood you!!! Salvation is found in the gospel of Jesus not going to church.
None of us do but all leaders must practise what they preach
Then you don’t understand true Salvation and you’re doing it wrong! I pray you find Jesus!🔥🙌🏻
I met a pastor like that angry throwing daggers from the pulpit shaking my pockets for $ like an earthquake. Shortly after he lost his church. A church not of Hod is not God’s church. Anyone think that they have to resort to vicious harassment to keep their church paid for is not listening to God. The church is not a market. The church is a house of prayer not a den of thieves. Thank you for your helpful information and care. God bless!
Then there are Christians on the opposite end of issues...Reminds me of Laura Daigle. We need to sincerely pray for her. She seems to think love is without taking a stand to edify our neighbor. Christians are not supposed to be hateful. However, we are to be loving and uplifting and edifying in an constructive way. I don’t want to bash her. Let us pray for her and the gay community. Hate is a repellent. Love helps to open doors of communication for bridges and growth. God bless
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😂😂😂'shaking my pockets'
I am sealed with the holy spirit, since I trusted him as my personal savior February 16, almost 25 years ago. I have had experienced some pastors, who didn't understand my character, and were not enthusiastic to see me, but I forgave them personally, we need to take precaution on who we trust.
Forgiveness is the only lesson that we can learn from those who wrong us. Once we have learned forgiveness this teaches us to forgive ourselves. Hate only ensures we will never allow ourselves free of our own wrong doings.
Let go as others forgive you.
Very true. In many cases, some Pastors don't accept any correction from their Church Boards or Committees. They are never accountable to anyone within their Churches since they keep on claiming that they submit to leaders more senior than they are outside their Churches.
Yep thats dangerous hey, people with no accountability can be dangerous to society
When you ask the pastor to pray for you about something and he tells your friend about something you told him that is private. You tell him twice and yet he still tells your friend. I forgive but if he knew to keep it private why tell everybody my business?
Sad when leadership uses their authority to disregard & disrespect GODS PEOPLE!!! Please never take this video down it has helped me & others so much ❤️
Keep your eyes only on Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the only one who is Pure and Truth . Give your heart to Jesus Christ and Only read God's word " King James Bible". Man will always fail you. Remember Jesus Christ is the only one who really truly loves you.
Amen!
Also, beware of sheep in wolves clothes. When in doubt call it out!
This is the best advice on here.
LOVE joy peace patience kindness goodness gentleness faithfulness self control
This teaching could apply to parents as well
I have kept my eyes on jesus!!!
Thank Jennifer LeClaire. I had to leave a house like that. When the pastor started placing people who are unclean in positions over the true Saints, I had to leave. One lady was made a choir director and the majority of the congregation knew that she was living with her boyfriend and having sexual relations How can anyone sing spiritual songs and hymns without being filled with the Holy Spirit?
You sin differently than them. What sins do you do that no one can see??? It's none of your business. Unfortunately, the sins that people can see are the ones that get looked at in church, but the ones that you can hide don't get accounted for and you get away with it. That's hypocritical Regina. I'm tired of hypocrites in churches everywhere that only point out certain sins.
@@PURPLE.REIGN.1999 Unfortunately, she is correct. If you knowingly place someone who lives in continuous sin and doesn't repent and correct their situation, that's "hidden sin". The bad thing about it is that if you *know* someone is commiting a certain sin and you do not correct them, the bible teaches you partake in their sin as well.
Couple of questions: explain the difference between “true Saints” and the “unclean”. Second, how did the congregation know about these people’s sex life, were the participants in the relationship talking about it with others, or was it assumed?
Yes a lady is like that at the church I'm at she is like 65 living with a man not.married wow and they give her all type of postions in church
Favoritism was so bad in my Church that the pastor ignored when one of his favorite people's son molested a child that belonged to people that didn't have as much favor! This led to a huge division in the church! Which also led to God's judgement against the favored people when their son flipped his car and died instantly just a few years later!
A pastor is required by law to report this kind of abuse, bc he is "a mandated reporter"
true....the subtle outburst of anger which is silence, ignorance, not encouraging you, not valuing you all these signs shouldnt be ignored
I can relate to this! Eighteen years of my life I spent in fear.
There's always favorites ,I was a Co -Pastor at a Church and it's been ruff
God is no respecter of persons. GOD chooses.
Every one on this planet needs to do self searching regularly and if they see jealousy, anger, tyranny, selfishness, arrogance, laziness and other mental strong holds they need to do self deliverance when necessary👍
I have a question, why is it that those who profess to be "spirit filled" end up being the meanest people, this is especially true within the Leadership! They act like they are royalty above the people!!
Jesus said If you want to be first then be last!
I had a Pastors wife who would yell at us from the pulpit! We got chewed out about our giving. She had people who gave alot stand up and shamed the rest of us.
Happened to me. Insults and threats from the pulpit. I am traumatized .
@@sallybagson5843 I think I was also. Started getting symptoms in my body..I pray we both get the healing we need
I was also in a church like this. Thank God for giving me strength to leave there😭😭
@@theresamusgraves9593 what symptoms?
@@janeth.5799 migraines, fatigue, low blood pressure, joint pain and muscle pain.
Just QUIT GOING. Simple. If you are just a member, and you don't rely on this for your main income then QUIT! You do not owe ANYONE any explanation for anything!
Just Bein' Myself Lol!!! Your response is too funny, yet too real! Lord have mercy...lol, you are so right! I'm married to a preacher/pastor for 35 years, and I learned years ago to just QUIT. When my husband was not right and failed to repent, I QUIT attending his church. No one in the church would rebuke him nor would they correct the errored problem (his showing favoritism). I hated this!My absence caused for people to call immediately, and I responded with truth. It split the church and eventually it closed. SO WHAT! Some of these preachers (like my husband was) are so sorry...they are no good, and they will destroy you if you let them. I don't excuse any of them!
@@sylviaruth5008 are you still married? Is he still in ministry?
@@tracygill9868 Lol..., yes ma'am I am still married. He is in ministry at this time, but not as pastor. However, since those and much worse happenings he was sat down by God, and he did obey. He fell hard because of pride, and this was the best thing. Since his fall I can count the times that he actually approached the pulpit. The last time he taught bible study it was from the back pew. The entire church had to turn around to see him. He is forgiven by God and others, but he uses his failures to teach others.
@@sylviaruth5008 good. He humbled himself. I startling the fence on a situation right now. I'm waiting on God.
@@a334boy4u That's what you do. Wait on God, and listen to wise counsel only. God will tell you what to do. Be blessed.
i need to find a church that teaches biblical truth, not this tithing/guilt trip/fear tactics just to get us to give them money. i mean, don't get me wrong, we are commanded to give, not only give but to give with a cheerful heart not out of obligation
Pastor Gino Jennings is good he might be alot for people who aren't ready for the truth but he's on TH-cam and he travels all over he talks about fake preacher's ,racism , tithings everything he hold nothing back .
Sory to say but my Pastor has this traits he is toxic and he ouburst if you did wrong or you didint do what he want and i have never heard that he encourage me or uplift me im so depress inside the church he always insist that he is always right and the others teaching is wrong.
Pasters should never listen to people who are gossiping or busybody, Instead ask them if they would agreed with him to pray about the situation.
Praying in that situation is just another form of gossip for this type of person.
I usedt to go to a church where the pastors practiced favoritism to an extreme. I noted that they were "johnny on the spot" when one of their favorites were in trouble or needed them. They were favored when it came to chatting after services, etc. Some time ago, I would up going to the hospital for a near terminal case of pancreatitis. It was a near thing. There were three witnesses who saw me loaded into an ambulance, one of them was one of the pastors. There were enough people who did know that someone could have been there. The only one that showed up was the man I begged to feed my cat. I nearly died in that hospital, but noone showed up other than the man I mentioned. I never spoke to anyone else the entire time I was there and even in the three weeks afterwards. To me they demonstrated that they could not care less whether or not I lived or died. Even afterward, I saw the same demonstrations of love and compassion towards their favorites. I tried a number of times to bring this to the pastor's attention as it was killing me inside. To see this contradiction played out day after day crippled my ability to worship or have any fellowship with them at all. In my entire life, I never saw anything like this first hand. As I mentioned, i tried to talk to the pastor a number of times, but was never given an audience. In the end, be blasted me in front of his congregation. Since then, i have found it incredibly difficult to go to any church.
I am very sorry you experienced this.
Everything she's saying is true
We need to have some self control we all get mad at times and stress causes anger..
Also we need to forgive so God will forgive us.Lets try to please the Lord.
I love this Woman Of God!!!
Amen. I needed a spiritual detox once and it was so so amazing. Thank you Jesus for your maidservant in your kingdom and a friend at your Throne
A pastor is toxic when he/she
1. Lacks the fruit of the Holy Spirit
And only bears fruits of the flesh (carnal desire)
2. has No Accountability
(No submission to Christ)
3. is a Hypocrite
4. has Pride Issues (Arrogant, Stubborn, Haughty, Critics (false), etc )
considers others as inferiors and is highly negative critics
5. favours only few (the favoured people are not corrected when they make mistakes) and abandons others (causes rejection to others).
6. has Frequent Anger (Rage/ Passive Aggression) Outburst
7. is a Liar (falsely accuses, gives wrong message, slanders, gossips, etc)
Isaiah 65:5
Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.
1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
My wife and I left a church we attended for 3 years after waking up and realizing what was going on.converts not discipleship was the name of the game there.when your pastor is inaccessible it's time to leave.
It's amazing how accurate you are in this video about those toxic traits! It is 100% true and easy to spot once you wake up from the mind control they put on you especially if you are vulnerable already and were hurt or felt broken at the point when you joined their 'cult'
So true! They have a way of affecting your mind, definitely! Same experience here. Took me years to see through it, & get past the fear of leaving them. But it's the best thing I ever did. I'm also very pleased that one former leader is now unable to crotch-grab in front of me, touch me up sexually, or give me 'Penis Displays' (in a seated position, pushing his pelvis outwards, showing dimensions of a certain sexual member) through his trousers, while sitting talking to me. Must really irritate him some days, not having his target victim, as I call it, to play with. The old bastard's married too, & was a senior pastor at the time. Unbelievable what these freaks get up to!.
If you want to know about toxic pastorship ask me. 😂 but I was smart and determined that I wouldn’t let my spirit be contaminated by the Pastor. Thanks be to God I won💃🏻
You should really write a book on this!! Great word
Please Keep Teaching And Preaching The Word Of God!!
My father in law is a pastor, he is having these characters . We are praying for our pastor
Thank you for your own reliable understanding, incentive furthermore enlightenment to boost my direction to becoming more consciously perceptive combined with spiritually connected.
Great job and very professionally done. As others have said, thank you for having the courage to speak out.
Gosh, I just want all of us to be saved and spend eternity with God. I wish no Christian church would cause pain or mistreat people. Unfortunately, we all hurt each other, but that’s why we need God’s Word for correction, His Holy Spirit, and we have to see fruit that shows we truly know God and obey Him. Also, if I hurt someone, spending time with God, I can’t help but see where I’m wrong. I don’t want to continue hurting someone or continue in the same actions that are causing pain. If I Love God and I Love the person I can see, I’m going to want to change and seek to not hurt whoever I may be hurting. Leaders should have this same desire and be careful how they speak and treat everyone.
And one more thing:
Jesus said you can tell tree by the fruit it bears. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot produce good fruit.
So every tree that does not produce good fruit is chopped down and thrown into the fire. Yes, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit, so you can identify people by their actions.”
Please read Matthew 7
Walk with God everyday and have a relationship with Him. It’s all through Jesus.
Amen Sister! You have told the truth! God bless you!
I love this teaching. Thank you great woman of God.
Thank you for posting this
I agree with a lot of what's presented here but at 5:31 she made the following statement: _"...I believe that we should not make our pastor sweep the floors and clean the parking lot..."_
Why not? Especially if the pastor's name on the title and deed of the church property. Churchgoers are expected to pay ten percent of their income to the church (which is not Biblical), plus offerings and clean the joint?
Lloyd Tucker Malachi 3:10...there’s other scriptures also
@@makiko771 Malachi 3:10 is talking to Old Testament priests, not New Testament saints. The tithes in Malachi 3 was food not money.
@@lloydtucker5647 Thanks for pointing that out. Unfortunately most people don't read their Bible so they don't know this. Not criticizing anyone but I find very few people actually read Malachi beyond that single verse.
Jennifer, thank you. This message arrived at the right time.
There was one pastor, who said we would do something, and failed to keep his word, but I forgave him, and not went to his church anymore.
This is very, very true. We have one such like this, with all the 7 characters. On Sunday services it feels like you are locked up in a prison cell.
Deny yourself. Just follow Christ and love... Be the example!
It reminds me of an abusive pastor whom I was badly hurt by him. Praying that God will rescue the church from him...
Thank you, Jennifer--very informative & helpful--satan can really use a person's EMOTIONS AND PASSIONS to turn people against each other and God !!!!
Had to get up and put of that place. I prayed to God and asked him for a place to worship because I knew I had to get out of there. When I left the lies started. It was said that a spirit had came over me. that's a lie. I have seen many things now that my spiritual eyes are open. I still pray for them too and hope that they get it together.
My pastor is controlling and shamed, scolded the people and inconsiderate of people’s needs.
Thank you soo much. I needed this message
Oh My, this is Prophetic for me because I was asking God to speak to me regarding this issue. I even prayed that I get a prophetic direction this week because I plan to come to your event in Atlanta. I am sort of New to submitting to a small church but I don't think all small churches are as controlling and controversial as the one I am attending now. I am certain I want to leave but I also felt guilty because I just joined few months ago. I also keep on hearing the Pastor/Apostle speak or rather say reprimand some of us are church hopping etc. He is constantly disciplining the congregation, even saying that some are into gossip or how tardy most of them are, you name it. At the same time, I like his dedication to serving in deliverance and prayers but I am confused. I know I don't want to be part of it but I was wondering how to exit since I am a member already (how I was pushed to sign up to become a member is another story)
I also heard many preach how we should submit and tolerate authority in church lately so that brought a conflict.
God bless you !
We should all apply these principals to our lives
Thank you Jennifer!
I'm binging on your videos ...writing down notes 4 bible study .. thank you
Thanks for sharing Minister Jennifer, I have to have a meeting with you.
Lying is a sin. Absolutely, run from ANYONE who lies. If the pastor lies then he is a backslider and needs to repent.
ACKNOWLEDGE this teaching as heavenly send. YET, I'M IN THE CENTER OF THIS TORNADO, as a pastors wife, I see his abuse behavior & my hands are tied. Plz pray for me.
I attend church services online with Pathway to Victory, from the privacy of my own home, so I can focus better on the sermons free from distractions. I consider myself an introvert in various ways.
You still are commanded to not forsake the gathering of saints together. Get back in a church physically. You need accountability.
@@MightyWarriorCoalition Even though, I can't be there physically, but my heart is there, the heart matters the most.
Thank you for your videos
Thank you jenifer your a blessing thank God I over 40.years a christian I see control that's hard to believe in pastors here have people following them blindly these guys are control freaks toxic continualy angre and mocing other
Minitry continualy good people in there but they have no sense. discernment.
Thank you so much Jennifer I believe you’re bringing Hope to the shipwrecked apostolic movement
Some Pastors show narcissistic behaviors some of them think they can never be wrong.And news flash your not God you can be wrong but some won't admit it
what if someone say something about a situation that you are going through and then you go to church and you hear about it when they teach or preach about it when you go to church what should you do?
Great video
Wow this is good. I wish I knew this a long time ago.
Pastors who have no experience in corporate setting is really toxic. No respect for church members especially for members who are professionals. They create division between the full-time members and the working members in secular field especially the youth.
Romans 16:17
Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
James 2:9
But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
I hate pastors who get angry and show favoritism. This is very annoying.
Everyone’s best and strongest defense is the Bible and the relationship you have with God. Jesus and the whole Bible tells us about these people and how we should handle every situation that we will face in this life. Always put God first, lean not on your own understanding and trust Him. He already won!! We already won!! The devil is a defeated foe. If you following the Lord, you will always win, even when it looks like you’re losing.
I appreciate you.
My wife and kids and I are not going back to the institutional church. We are actively seeking out the Lords people. If we find them inside the institutional church then that’s ok. We aren’t Lone Rangers. We were accused of it though because though we have been part of the same church for 5 years as a family while my wife was there for 28 years. We didn’t want to formally join and covenant with and sign a legal document. The pastor criticized us openly in front of the whole congregation and referred to us as consumers (even though multiple times we freely gave money and gave of our photography talents) and called us Lone Rangers and called us disobedient and sinning. Because we wouldn’t sign and covenant and be bound to unbiblical vows.
We haven’t found a church group that didn’t have poor leadership.
We don’t want to be without leaders.
We aren’t against leadership.
I felt hurt and anger and these are difficult things to deal with.
We were told we had to submit and obey per Hebrews 13:17 or leave.
Jonathan Grandt the bible commands a man and women to wait for marriage to have sex. So if you are unmarried and having sexual experiences it’s a sin.
there is an expression...hit the ground running....get started....it takes until 2.01, for you to begin....
How is getting angry "not perfect"??? Even Jesus got angry.
MissTia777
She said the key thing is “Repeatedly.” She also mentioned the ways anger can repeatedly manifest like the silent treatment, cold shoulder and of course angry outbursts
That's the best guideline when Jesus overturned that temple for corrupting His House and cheating the people who wanted to know God. But God is able and above to let these toxic church leaders He knows what's going on and act on it.
Yep!
It is truth (safeplace)
I have been though it but I’m living in everything in gods hands it’s all about money & power & don’t have Jesus in it 💰
I had a pastor who claimed that hypocrisy was a good thing....toxic? ?? How bout not saved?
I know this situation all too well
I'm listening to this,and I'm struggling with bitterness.My church made me give up my cats.and all I heard was now I'm back to agreement because I live in a home the church provided.
Katherine Harrington That sounds like a controlling spirit at work.
Oh my goodness. Why would they do that?
If they didn't want cats in a house the church owned, they should have communicated that before you moved in!! Not used a bunch of religious words to mask the situation with control. Yuk
Now I know why I avoid my church...
Yea they do that......run!
When the pastor you told to pray for you tells your intention to your friend and then denies it. Then he admits it
His name is phil schoenthal
so true