HOW TO: Citroen Peugeot 1.6 HDi 16v TIMING belt CAMBELT waterpump coolant change IN DEPTH
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- Welcome to Piggypower... this is an in- depth and extensive video guide on replacing the timing belt (also known as the cambelt) on the 1.6 16v HDi engine fitted to Citroens, Peugeots, Fords and others.
Included is useful instructions on also removing the drive belt (aux belt) and replacing the coolant and bleeding the cooling system
0:00 hi there
00:22 Tools required
3:30 drive belt remmoval (aux belt)
5:00 Strip down
6:00 supporting engine
7:30 engine covers
9:20 crank pulley
12:20 timing
17:00 belt removal
19:30 Waterpump
23:45 fitting new belt
22:25 tensioning
27:50 torque crank bolt
30:30 coolant refill
30:45 bleeding system
32:53 THANKZ!
Any questions, please feel free to use the comments.
Please ensure you feel confident to complete this task safely, Piggypower takes no responsibility for any consequences from poor workmanship following this guide.
If you think you cannot do this job safely, take it to a professional.
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I have owned my own Automotive Radiator repair shop since 1977 and in that time expanded the business to, not only repair or recore radiators but to offer a complete service on cooling and A/C systems which include fitting radiators, water pumps, condensers and oil coolers etc. and I must say that this video is one of the most informative and clearly explained instructions I have seen, keep up the great work 👍
That's some kind words there chap, thankyou. 👌🐷
Also...where's your workshop? I need some AC work done!!
@piggypower excellent video! Got mine finished tonight and it works a treat. Great detail and info! You saved me a few quid so thank you very much! 😉
Glad I could help and so pleased it went well 🐷😎👍
Did this on my bipper and was very jealous of all the room you had here .Good video thank you
Admittedly you were doing it on the 1.4? There is similar room. But both a bit of a pig.
this is possibly the best how to on a timing belt for this engine, very good thanks.
Thankyou! That's some kind words right there 👍🐷
That was brilliant. Many thanks for such a clear & straight forward no BS demo.
You're welcome
I was quoted £475 by a cheap garage. I managed to change mine and the water pump using this video as a guide in 4 hours. Hardest bit was putting the new aux belt on. I must stress the importance of making sure the timing belt is tight between the crank and cam gears.
Contitech Timing kit and pump cost. Also did new Fuel filter, oil filter, air filter cabin filter and oil change and some new roll bar links all for £ 171. So timing belt and full service for less than half what the garage would charge!
Thanks for the great video
Great work. All the best 🐷👌
Good detailed video and should help loads of people. Did the cambelt on my 1.4HDi a few weeks ago, very similar to this.
Job itself wasn't difficult but it just takes time taking many things off and being certain on getting the timing perfect. (Original 17 year old belt and water pump too so I think it was definitely due)
Definitely due!! 7yrs overdue! Well done! Yeah, cambelts are difficult really, just time consuming to get to them and to ensure they are timed correctly.
Great Job! This is a detailed and consise video. Thank you for showing us your excellent work.
No worries 👍🐷
Just did this last night, amazingly detailed video. Your a real bro 😎
Tanks are not enuf 🤗
So pleased it helped 👍👍🐷 well done you for doing too 🐽👍
This is the best video I have seen on this great thanks
Glad it's helpful! 👌🐷
Piggy power strikes again. I needed to change my timing belt just as your video was posted. You have saved me a good £200. Thank you.
Hope so 👍😎 most garages round me would charge £350 just for labor 😲
It does look tricky 😮 well to me anyway.
I'm sure just locking the pulleys ya cant go to far wrong 😂
Brilliant video, thank you! Rare that anybody tells us the torque values and nice to see the coolant being refilled without a vacuum pump. 😊👍👍
I've never seen coolant refilled with a coolant pump 🤔 glad it helped 👍🐷
Cracking video ,going to do this on a bipper 1.4 HDI .Have done cambelts before and this video gives me all the tricks .Thank you
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Thanks so much!
This is a really good video and is the best on the subject that I've seen. 👌 Nicely filmed and clear explanations. 😁❤️
Glad I can help 👌🐷
Good job going to give this a blast tomorrow 👍
Take your time, have tea ready to celebrate! 👌🐷
Brilliant video
Thanks
Great video piggy power, great work,that looked exhausting phew!😀👌👍
Nah, not too bad tbh 😊👍🐷
@@PiggyPower Oink Oink👍
Awesome video, love it!
Thanks! Smash the appropriate buttons if you would! 👍🐷
Great job well done and thank you very much for the detailed explanation 👍.
Not only we will save money but also the time we would have to wait for a mechanic and be without a car during that time...
Take your time, get it right, hope it goes well 👌🐷
Thank you so much for a really good video 👍👍
You are very welcome 🐖👍
Great video 👍
Thanks 👌🐷
Good job bro 👏
Many thanks 👍🐷
Excellent! What more can I say!
That you've subscribed 😜🐷
fantastic video, I hope mine goes as well
All the best. Take your time. Don't rush any step.
Great vid , sod doing it myself )
Haha! It's best to have some confidence for doing this job as it's tricky and expensive when it goes wrong
Very clear with lots of info that saves time . Just one thing You said it helps to pull the pin out of the tensioner when getting the belt on , But I thought pin held tension off .Regards
Allowing the tensioner to move can aid you but try with the pin in place first.
I've never seen you not wearing gloves while working! Good video mate
Ran out 😂🐷
Thanks :)
You're welcome 👍🐖
Thanks again Piggy! Another fantastic walkthrough that helped me through my first timing belt change successfully.... The car wouldn't start after the change and I couldn't figure out why. I double and triple checked the timing and it was perfect. Took a while to figure it out, but I damaged the magnetic (I think?) strip going round the crankshaft gear, upsetting the sensor. The belt change was perfect, but I need to replace the gear. Not the most expensive of parts to be fair and with a new pump, idlers and tensioner, it's probably not a bad idea anyway... In your experience, do they come out easy enough? I can see a removal tool/puller on Euro for a tenner
Thanks again! You're completely redefining "pig of a job"
Scott
Well done! Oh dear. . . Well, yeah, you'll want a puller of some sort for sure. Not the worst thing ... So hopefully all goes well for you! 👍🐷
Fantastic video - the best tutorial I have ever seen. I have all the tool for the job - but am very curious to what make/model your battery powered stuff is interested in venturing into this world and better than my air tools for access not having a hose attached!
Milwaukee
Fantastic video, Very thorough.
Any idea why you use 35NM + 190° rather than a higher torque figure?
That's what the manufacturer requires. It's about strecthing the bolt/thread to a specified point where it won't come undone!
I have enjoyed watching and now feel quite confident in my decision to take it to the local garage for the work doing
Haha 👍😎🐷
I just have a Peugeot 407 with same engine and all i can say that, even this tutorial can be helpful, is still a pain in butt because of it's position
Loads more room in your 407! Probably the easiest to do! Hope it went well 👍🐷
I'm an engineer and I've got to say to say your work is very good. You can advise me - I'm doing my clutch next week and I'm pretty sure the cat has a DMF. Can I just covert to solid flywheel? There are lots of kits with single mass flywheels but I'm not sure if they are interchangible. The car is a Berligo 2014 with a 75 DV6TED4. Thanks
I don't THINK the 75bhp is a dmf... But check with a motor factors. 👍Yes you can covert to solid if it's DMF
That was excellent Sir. Thankyou. I think I'll pay someone to do mine for me, it looks a bit intense. Any advice on belt manufacturers brands to specify, or go genuine Citroen? Kind regards.
Genuine Citroen/Peugeot aren't made by Citroen/Peugeot so find out what they use and buy that 👍👍🐷
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What do you put on the water pump gasket before reassembly?
Nothing. There's a gasket 😜
Brilliant video, just to confirm, do you not use sealant on water pump gasket?
No need to add goop when there's a nice new gasket. Ensure surfaces are clean. Gasket is there for a reason. 👍👍🐖
Hi, I am finally up to the stage where I need to replace the antifreeze. I notice that you mix the antifreeze with distilled water, 3 litres of antifreeze and the rest distilled water. I have bought a 5L plastic container of ARECA (-25 c) universal antifreeze, and I don't know whether to add distilled water or not. What is your opinion please ?. I have found the ARECA antifreeze specification online but it just states the chemical characteristics.
It will say on the container if it's concentrate or ready to use. If it says ready to use, it will already be mixed with water. (Find the same with screenwash)
Hi, Great video! Is it the same procedure on my 306 1.6 motorcode NFT? Would be great to know
To clarify... You're asking if this modern 1.6 turbo diesel engine is the same procedure as an old 1.6 petrol?
@@PiggyPower omg did not even see that is was a diesel engine. But yes thats what I was asking. But the chances are slim I think? Do you have a link of tutorial on petrol engine of the procedure isnt the same.
Many thanks for your reply!!🙏🏼
@@DominiqueHodzelmans big hints are that it's an HDi ... And the fact it has a fuel pump on the timing belt 😜
Principles are the same... Lock the engine at its timing position.
Remove belt, tensioners and water pump. Refit parts. Refit belt anticlockwise and tensioner correctly.
Rotate twice with timing pins removed.
Check timing is spot on.
Check tension.
Put it all back together.
If you're not sure, basic DIY mechanic, I'd get a pro to help.
Hahaha yeah for sure. But I did not noticed I stopt @ Peugeot 1.6 😂🤣 oh no I can manage but to do this job, but not did it before myself and I love to have a look at everthing instead of searching for all it myself. Many thanks for your replies!!🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Hi! First thanks for the video!
Could you please tell me the torques? Tensioner, roller, and crankshaft bolt please? Thanks!!!!!!
I mention this in the video when I fit them 😉👌🐷
Hiya. Is there a shortcut to pin the crank with an automatic ?
They pin the same way 👍🐷
Is that aux belt tensioner the same as one on a 306 hdi aux belt
No, it will be a different part
I've heard that fuel pump position doesn't matter. Is that correct?
That is not correct.
Hi I have a 308 1.5 bluehdi.
How would I know if the crank is tdc and not 180 out as the crank takes 2 turns and cam 1 turn. I'm not sure if my crank is in the right position even tho it locks with the pin same as the cam. I think I messed up somehow. I turned the engine over 6 times by hands and there was no Interference so I finished the job and the car did run about rough but I did have the injectors out at the same time as I did the chain also. I have since moved the crank another turn 180 and again turned the engine by hand and was fine. Car runs but I just done know if it's running as it should.
I do need to go into the belt assembly to fit a new cam seal and crank aux pulley so I'm trying to look for advice so when I do go I to it again I can make sure everything is as it should. Any help I would be most appreciated
Reset all the timing Inc the chain timing. Check for fault codes. Go from there. Lots of variables there you've mentioned.
@@PiggyPower the cam is timed both cams inside are linked using the arrows provided so both cams facing correctly I've always pinned the cam pulley and injection pully.
I'm just worried if the crank/flywheel is 180 out even tho it is timed and pinned with the cam.
As if the crank has had a extra turn that would mean it's not firing as it should or work it make any different as the cam and crank sensor are in sync so they determine what the injectors do.
I'm very confused and over thinking I think 🤣 obviously nothing was obstructing with I turned the car over by hand 6 times and the car runs although today I found 2 injectors fueling low so I managed to fix 1 of them just the other to do which won't help.
I thought if the crank/flywheel is 180 out I would notice some kind of running issues that I could determine it's wrong and needs changing 180 again when I'm next down there.
@@PiggyPower o and no fault codes at all with my autel.
Am I wrong thinking about the crank being 180? Maybe 180 still puts the crank in the same position everyone ?
I am looking at a Peugeot 2008 1.6 diesel (2015 reg). It's the Mistral Feline model. Can anyone tell me if it will have the same engine as this video please? It's got over 50k miles on it and wondering if this is a job I should be getting done if I buy?
16v or 8v... It's 100k or 10yrs... So if no evidence... Get it done for peace of mind 🐷👍
Have you changed the cam chain?
No, that's not a service item unless it's very high miles/had wrong oil etc.
Great video! Do you ever replace the timing chain on the 16V Hdi engines? 150k miles seems to be the interval stated by the chain vendors. There are only a couple of videos on TH-cam of the timing chain replacement, and never as a routine item. Looks like a lot of work and at least £100 for the gasket kit, chain, injector bolts etc. Do you think you would do it once past 150k miles on a otherwise clean, well serviced engine? Thanks!
I would check the chain for lash and tension. Go from there 👍
Thanks for the reply, is there a way to check the chain tension without incurring the cost of cam cover gaskets, studs(injectors) etc. I'm really wondering if people bother at the 150k mile interval, or just play it by ear, listen for a rattly chain or wait for the final caboom! Perhaps I should buy a stethoscope and have a listen periodically!?
@@OuterSpaceHoppa is there no way to see it through the oil filler on those??
@PiggyPower Nope, I just had the little cam shaft cover off that holds the filler cap (to fix a leaking injector) and I couldn't see the chain then either. I think the intake manifold(needing new o ring gaskets) and cam cover (needing new injector studs, maybe injector fasteners too?) . Two genuine studs and fasteners were £12.50, so £50 for the full set , say £10 for injector seals and about £90 for the chain kit and manifold, vacuum pump gasket and cam shaft oil seal. Quite a bit of work too and I don't see anyone else bothering unless there is a problem identified! My Haynes manual also doesn't give a chain change interval, the 150k mile interval i mentioned is cited by the chain kit manufacturers. Thinking about it I might leave if for now and reconsider if I get another injector leaking later on.
At 163k miles I'm due a timing belt, so it will be a pain to have to do the belt again later on if I decide to replace the chain later on if an injector starts leaking! P.S. my exhaust cam looked good as new from what I could see of it even after 163k miles!
Hey Piggy , there is something we dont understand ! normally the piston must be at tdc if you place the belt but ..but if you place te timing tool in the crankshaft pulley and check with a screwdriver in the injector hole you nodice that the piston is not fully at tdc ! the piston is a little but lower ! if you want to set the timing on the crankshaftpulley and you turn the engine clockwise the hole in the pulley wil only be in time if you turn the engine so that the piston is further than tdc! ! how is this possible ? or is this normal ?
Belts aren't always done at exactly 0°tdc ... Put the pins in as I've shown on the video, and it will be in time. In time is just that the fuel pump, cam and crank are in time with one another. Usually yes it's at 0°tdc but some vehicles do it at btdc, some 90°> ... Trust the timing pins. They should all fit easily and smoothly at the same time.
@@PiggyPower but sparky ,important question,even if the timing is in this case not on TDC, the injection still happens like normal ? Little bit before TDC?
@@benkr5870 injection timing is variable with every stroke. Some of these engines inject multiple times for each stroke. Just time it up with the pins and don't worry 😜
How long did that take from start to finish? I'm giving serious thoughts of doing this job on my own car.
3hrs. If you've never done such a job, I'd allow 6.
Hi I'm hoping you can help me, I was checking the timing on my 2007 Dispatch 1.6hdi as it was knocking on top end, very similar to a injector knock, replaced the injectors to still have the issue, upon checking the timing, i cant seam to get the fuel pump to line up, the crank and cam line up but the fuel pump is about a tooth or 2 before it reaches the line up hole (11 o'clock instead of 12 o'clock)
Then perhaps the timing is out? That is what you are checking after all?
@@PiggyPower ive got he crank and cam lined up and locked in place, its only the fuel pump that seams to be out, but ive read that the fuel pump doesnt need to be timed even though theres lock holes for it?
@@GeeOwDee it is supposed to be timed up, for synchronization. For a time modern injection pumps were not but as they've got more refined and they aim for further efficiency targets, they tend to be timed up now. Have you tried rotating the engine a few times? (Each time checking)
@@PiggyPower okay ill time it back up, but surely it wouldn't cause it to knock the way it is, its quick a loud diesel/metal sounding knock that matches the tempo of the engine rpms
@@GeeOwDee unlikely. But worth getting it right? For sure.
Hi, thank you for the video. I would appreciate your advice please. I bought a Dayco kit online. Strangely the belt tensioner plastic bag was open. The others in the box were sealed. Is it possible to damage the tensioner before it is installed by removing the pin ? When I came to line up the hole with the new belt on, I had to turn the allen key clockwise to line it up. However the arrow stated to turn it anticlockwise. I am concerned this could really cause a problem with an incorrect tension. What do you think , please
Did you try turning it as directed?
@@PiggyPower Yes of course. The little hole did not move at all going anti-clockwise.
@@johnmcculloch4009 I'd contact your supplier.
Buying things online can result in problems. I contacted the online supplier company and the girl on the hotline told me to send all the parts back and it would take about a month for an expert to look at it. If confirmed faulty I would receive a refund. I explained that the water pump and roller had already been installed and all I wanted was the faulty tensioner to be replaced. Totally intransigent . Send it all back was the reply !
@@johnmcculloch4009 yeah. Sounds about right.
Just buy a new tensioner and bite the bullet there.
You don’t need to remove exhaust ! The timing pin will fit if you pop it up knurled end first between the flywheel housing & the exhaust down pipe , then flip it straight & it should fit straight through the hole , then turn the crank pulley while holding the pin till it locks in place , same in reverse till it locks , using the compression cycle to tighten the bolt on stage 1 is not really advised as your straining the teeth on that section of a new belt with to much springing you need to do it while the crank is solid then stage 2 is 180 or 2 x 90 degree turns as you quite rightly say but again while solid 👍
I didn't remove the exhaust from memory? 🤔
a set of drills instead of the pins work well as well.
I mention this in the video 😜 but... I also mention that they have a tendency to gash your fingers/hand open due to their sharp edges! 😉
@@PiggyPower they also sometimes won't fit, on my XU i didn't have room to put them in, which is why i cut a set of old drills for that stuff,
Old bolts I have 100s. Always spot on. 🐷😁👍
Have you ever replace clutch in Peugeot 3008 1.6 hdi?
I am going do it soon by using stands from ground level - wondering how difficult it could be - i hope there is some room for basic moves :D
Anyway, great upload :)
Cheers
I've never done one on the 3008. You may struggle with the large gearbox on the floor (I believe it's a 6spd?)... May even need to drop the subframe on those?
@PiggyPower Clutch started slipping a few days ago, and it's manual 6 gear gearbox. I'll check if there is no air. Break fluid has never been replaced since I bought the car in 2012. it's only 98000 miles on the clock. I've heard some air in might affect as well - but not sure, thou.
Thanks,
Adamsky
Slipping won't be caused by air in the clutch hydraulic system. You just have odd feeling pedal and difficulty changing gear. Slip is slip...worn out. 6spd box is heavy!
What will happen if you dont time the fuel pump ? its commonrail so
It will cause running issues... It might be subtle but it will. As these injection systems get more finely tuned they need the pumps in time now too... And if you're going to the effort of doing the timing belt, may as well do it spot on 😉👍🐷
When is a good time to get the cam belt replaced, manufacturer says 10 years or 110k miles
Yes, correct. Whichever comes first
@@PiggyPower not before, is premature failure common ?
@@frankythehousecat2681 if you don't know when it was changed... Or it's close to 10yrs or 100k miles... Just do it to be safe. I've not heard of any issues with premature failure on these.
Hey Piggy ,another question! My friend would change the timing belt but the problem is when the belt was off he turned the dieselpump poulie a few turns ! Maybe 2-3 turns ! What must he do now ? Is it enough to place the pin in the hole or ?
Need to time it correctly 👌🐷
@@PiggyPower so what he must do now with the pump? How to time the pump now in this case correctly?
@@benkr5870 follow the instructions and time it up in sync with the cam and crank
Hi piggy, thanks for all your videos. I am doing this and found that I don't have tensioner.(1.6hdi110 206cc 2007)... On Xmas day as well so no one to call 😭
You don't have the tensioner in the kit?
Sorry I should have explained myself better. I was refering to the auxiliary belt (pre timing belt access) tensioner., I have since found that some 110bhp engines don't have them . My timing belt kit has all necessary parts. Thank you for responding on Christmas day, hope your having a good one.
@@chamoisshine9951 ah ok, so do you need the aux belt tensioner then?
@@PiggyPowerno, the engine does not have an aux belt tensioner, it's just a pully, it is a stretch to fit system I've ordered a removing/installing kit
Having good fun watching your vids. We have had our 206cc 1.6hdi 110 for 16 years (it replaced a same spec gti-hdi) I've been watching your 10 reason to and not to own with a few ooh and arr moments. Thanks for all the vids, always make me grin
Hi , what is the exact model of the car in this video ? greetings from new Peugeot fan from Poland :)
Can't recall exactly but the 16v 1.6 HDi is the same procedure on all models
Had a C4 -09 with that engine. I don't remember really but I think this was a + £900 job?
With all parts and labor I charged this customer £340.
@@PiggyPower You are dumping the market. And teaching people to do it themselves :) Well, soon all vehicles will be EV's so mechanics need to find other work anyways :D
Huge garages have huge overheads...
But when vehicles have less value, the owners can't afford big repairs... I hope these guides help motorists keep their vehicles in the road and roadworthy! Indeed, new qualifications are needed for these EVs
An awful job for a DIY'er to attempt, but I think still easier and more intuitive than the hellish Ford Focus belts with no locating dowels ?!
Yeah there are plenty worse than this, as you say. Belts with no fixed dowels like thos fords or V6 fwd engines etc. They are pretty complex in this modern world. Least EVs don't have timing belts 😆
what car is this on?
Makes no difference, it's a 16v 1.6HDi, fitted to LOADS of different stuff
@@PiggyPowerI beg to differ it can make a big difference to the amount of room there is to work on the end of the engine and what needs to be removed to access it.
@@HenryOCarmichaelSmith nah, they are all awful to access 🤣👍
Crank shaft pulley bolt I cheat socket on big bat rest on the ground jag engine 😂
You must have been very excited when you typed that.... Because I can't make any sense of it... But I hope everything went well with the Jaguar on the ground resting with your bat on it 😂👍👍🐷
Did you mean fuel pump pulley? Thought it was water pump
Going to need to reference a time stamp 😉👍
@@PiggyPower 15:00
@@zeez3139 I correct myself ... I confirm its fuel pump.
Keep watching the video and I remove/change the water pump 😉🐷👍
@@PiggyPower Thanx
fuel pump timing on a common rail engine? hmmmmmmmmm
Yes. It's pretty common in modern vehicles due to pulses and efficiency.
@ower Good to know. Having briefly read up on this apparently timing incorrectly can also lead to premature belt failure. Every day's a school day...
Yeah for sure. I always say, if you stop learning, we stop living!
@@PiggyPowerI wasn't aware of this, can you explain it's relevance please ?
@@nigelmitchell351 relevance of "stop learning, stop living"?