Angra has some of the most powerful and skilled power metal tunes. They should not only be there but should also be recognize as one of the very best. Galneryus have also impress a lot of powermetal fans
U.S. Power Metal: Metal Church, Reverend, Heretic, Vicious Rumors, Meliah Rage, Iced Earth, Sanctuary...heavier and faster than traditional heavy metal but not quite thrash metal. European power metal: Helloween, Blind Guardian, Gamma Ray, Rhapsody, Stratovarius...etc. The two don't necessarily sound the same.
Death is real... Helstar & Liege Lord are good additions to the list as well. I don't mind some European power metal as long as it doesn't get too flowery and keyboardy.
+Scott Waters (ultmetal) I totally agree with your inclusion of Metal Church and Iced Earth. Meliah Rage was definitely an influence on the scene as well, but like most early power metal they didn't have much impact anywhere. Sanctuary were also of interest, but I'm struggling to include them in the power metal scene (even the US scene). The other US bands, I don't know enough about them. It's an interesting point that they don't sound 'the same'. Could we include two branches on the tree, perhaps.
bluebehir I think you definitely could have two different branches of the tree. U.S. Power metal of the 80's sounds nothing like what European power metal became in the 90's. I mean, Helloween, Rage, Running Wild could all be included in the power metal tree as well, but even they don't sound like all the later European power metal bands of the 1990's and onward. Fact is, even Metallica were called "power metal" early on. I remember buying Kill 'Em All as a new release and the band calling themselves power metal but it didn't take long before the thrash tag was far more common for them.
+Scott Waters (ultmetal) US Power Metal: Metal Church and Iced Earth are the big names that came out on top. Virgin Steele is also huge. Bands like Leatherwolf, Meliah Rage and Pretty Maids were early on. I would like to include WASP in that list, almost everything they did from Headless Children on was power metal. Armored Saint, even the John Bush era of Anthrax was power metal to me. Sword was another great "US" power metal band (Canada, would have to come under US I'm afraid). German Power metal: Helloween, Blind Guardian, Rage, Running Wild, Axel Rudi Pell, Jorn Lande, Edguy, Sinner, and about a hundred other bands. New stuff like Masterplan, Avantasia, Iron Savior, Primal Fear.
POWER METAL! Precursors: Scorpions (70s), Judas Priest, Rainbow (70s), Accept, Dio. Speed Metal*: Exciter, Agent Steel, Abattoir, Warfare, Raven, Hellion, Living Death, Acid, Enforcer, Bloodlust, Helstar, Riot, etc. US Power Metal: Anvil, Manowar, Liege Lord, Lizzy Borden, Manilla Road, Jag Panzer, Iced Earth, Virgin Steele, Warlord, Omen, Thor, Savatage, Cage, Sanctuary, Metal Church, Vicious Rumors, Chastain, Messiah Force, Malice, etc. European Power Metal: Helloween, Gamma Ray, Stratovarius, Cloven Hoof (3rd album), Blind Guardian, Edguy, Iron Savior, Stormwitch, Running Wild, Hammerfall, Rage, Heaven's Gate, Heavy Load, Primal Fear, Grave Digger, Secret Sphere, Sabaton, Iron Angel, Cain's Offering, DragonForce, Sonata Arctica, Powerwolf, Morgana LeFay, White Skull, Dark Moor, Dream Evil, Freedom Call, Angel Dust (later), Tad Morose, etc Japanese Power Metal: X Japan, Sex Machineguns, Light Bringer, Aion, Dragon Guardian, Skywings, Ministrelix, Aldious, Cyntia, Albion, Mary's Blood, Bridear, Tears of Tragedy, etc. Progressive Power Metal: Fates Warning, Queensryche, Crimson Glory, Kamelot, Heir Apparent, Lethal, Screamer, Angra, Titan Force, Conception, Battalion, Anubis Gate, Adramlech, Symphony X, Evergrey, Triosphere, Vision Divine, etc. Neoclassical Power Metal: Yngwie J. Malmsteen, Versailles, Galneryus, Jupiter, Kamijo, Concerto Moon, Cacophony, Narnia, Warmen, Ark Storm, At Vance, Kenzani, Timo Tolkki's Avalon, Amberian Dawn, etc. Folk Power Metal: Falconer, Elvenking, Wuthering Rights, Alestorm, Orden Ogan, Vexilium, Wilderun, Winterstorm, Spellblast, Lothlöryen, etc. Symphonic Power Metal: Nightwish, Epica, After Forever, Visions of Atlantis, Edenbridge, Rhapsody of Fire, Damnation Angels, Diabulus in Musica, Legenda Aurea, Xandria (later), HolyHell, Liv Moon, Operatika Element, Seraphim, Avantasia, Pathfinder, Fairyland, Ancient Bards, Gloryhammer, Thy Majestie, Dragonland, etc. Extreme Power Metal: Children of Bodom, Wintersun, Blood Stain Child (early), Inearthed, Whispered, Crimson Shadows, etc. Power/Gothic Metal: Pythia, Krypteria. *Speed metal was like the next evolution of traditional heavy metal. I define it as 'take an early Judas Priest song and speed it up'. Eventually it led to the creation of power metal which was even more over the top. Some of the bands mentioned in other categories began as speed metal bands (Grave Digger for example).
***** Styx is a prog rock/AOR band who evolved in a pop rock act, not metal at all. Whether some of their influences can be found in power metal bands, that can be discussed, but they are hardly a precursor of power metal.
***** Influences are many and it depends on each band. I talk about precursors. Bands and artists that shaped power metal in what it is today. Not about influences. Judging from how varied power metal bands are today. influences come from outside of metal. Yet they are additions. Styx was prog rock for most of their career. It just took different forms. In the beginning they were more of a prog hard rock band. Then they started to mess with some AOR/pop elements. And no. Pop elements could be heard very early in their career. The Grand Illusion had some, if I recall correctly. Killjoy is just their poppyest album. AOR is still very used today and it was common in the 80s. It is a stripped down, very simple version of prog rock. I call it prog pop rock or lite-prog rock. In the 80s it was very popular. You had bands like Survivor for example. Asia, Journey, Foreigner, Toto, Magnum and a lot more. REO Speedwagon was just one of the pioneers. And I did not mean that REO Speedwagon has something to do with metal as I did not mean that AOR is a precursor of power metal. Styx has a sound vastly different. First of all, it doesn't have the metal signature, second, they have always been more pop oriented even when they were not a pop rock band. I listened to both of them for more than 20 years. I know what I'm talking about. Styx, if supposedly has an influence upon some power metal bands, that I may accept. But that influence did no shape power metal in what it is today, much less what it meant in the 80s when it emerged. As for the power ballad, that is a very weak argument as power ballads are common in more sub-genres of metal. Power ballads were heavily used in glam, heavy and thrash metal.
***** Thrash metal had its own ballads. Metallica had 5 on their first 5 albums. Testament had 3, if I recall correctly. Death Angel had one on their 3rd album. Even Megadeth had one, "In My Darkest Hour". And I have no idea about what you're talking about. When did I mention the 60s? I mentioned the 80s. Are we talking about the same thing. In thrash metal's case, the difference is that they made their ballads more original. Not based upon the pop ballads of earlier bands or contemporaries (like the glam bands).
***** "isn't in my darkest hour about dave mustaines feelings after the bus accident that took cliff burton's life?" No, it is about him and his problems with drug addiction. "Styx's ballads also different.. ranging in emotions..." That's a non-musical feature. You clearly do not understand that ballads in 90% of cases has a similar songwriting construction. The difference in thrash is that they make reverse ballads. Harder in tone during choruses, mellower during sections. But they are still power ballads. As for what you gave me, that's basically an opinion voiced by a music journalist. I do not construct my opinions and perceptions based on other people's views. I construct them based on my own experiences. As for the history of AOR, even the video says that 'grunge killed AOR', which means that AOR was still around in the 80s and beginning of the 90s. Moreover, the video shows the AOR movement lingered in underground in the 90s and resurfaced due to nostalgia in the 2000s.
I'd love to see a redo of this episode with Martin Popoff, he's just so much more aware of the history as the albums episode showed. Love Cauldron though.
I would also add it's at least bordering on if ignorant to plug one's ears at subgenre talk and say it's all heavy metal. Martin is the most knowledgeable guest for sure.
Defo Symphonic Power Metal, don't think they generally fit on a list of Power Metal bands if we're talking about a more central taste of Power Metal though
I love BANGER and I love Lock Horns, but I have to say, this was not one of the best. As a big power metal fan, I think you could have had someone who was a bit more knowledgeable about the genre. Never listened to Kamelot? Or Sabaton? Jason seems like a cool guy, and I'm going to check out Cauldron now, but please consider picking your co-hosts a little more strategically. I know power metal isn't your personal favorite, but it's a very important and large genre, and I feel it was given the short end of the stick here.
Sam has said several times in the past that he doesn't know power metal that well, so this wasn't really surprising. Still, this could've gone better. And to not put Gamma Ray on the board from the get-go is -to me- a serious and unacceptable crime.
I think Power Metal should be two or three subgenres. The first power metal scene I think of is the american with Omen, early Nasty Savage, Manilla Road, Warlord, Brocas Helm, Virgin Steele and such and the second wave which was way more melodic and faster and more into the Fantasy imagery. You can even add Dio and Manowar into this first more primitive wave that had closer ties to traditional heavy metal. The Second wave is essentially the German wave in the late eighties and early nineties with Helloween, Blind Guardian, Edguy, Gamma Ray and such and a third wave could be the even more modern bands with symphonic and pop elements. But original power metal wave has really nothing to do with the wave that started in Germany a few years later. So different in sound, lyrics and speed.
While "U.S. Power Metal" might just be my favorite metal style I really don't think it should be called power metal anymore. It's mostly just Heavy Metal to me.. Power Metal is today known basically only as the European style and pushing in American Heavy Metal just makes this into a huge mess..
Uriah Heep is "early metal" from the 70's. Like Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin they are considered Hard/Heavy Rock by most today. I prefer the term Early Metal. Anyway, they certainly aren't power metal. Uriah Heep is a 70's band from the UK while the current term Power Metal refers to bands that came in the end of the 80's and had most success in the 90's.
Could Uriah Heep be a n inspiration for Power Metal? the only tracks of theirs that i would describe/classify as metal songs are Easy livin', Sweet lorraine& Stealin' THe rest of their material definately has the themes of power metal...what metal band would have a song about a time traveler,or Pagans being harassed by Christians?
Could there be a subgenre to power metal,called traditional power metal..? this subgenre will combine both tradtional & power metal.. with kisses of other metal genres.
+Zeke Elder Labyrinth, with 7 albums, at least they've stood the test of time, having started in 1994. They just haven't made much impact in the power metal scene. Further to that, they've had some seriously quality singers in their lineup with Mark Boals, and Fabio Leone, but that put Labyrinth on the map, not the other way around.
For future reference: Rhapsody/Rhapsody of Fire is 100% symphonic power metal, but I feel Nightwish is more symphonic HEAVY metal/gothic symphonic metal than what's considered power. Guitars are heavier, more bass guitar, etc., cause it to vary slightly. I also think Within Temptation fits with Nightwish.
+Thomas Kittock Yep, pretty much. I love Nightwish ( and power metal), and i've been a fan of Nightwish since 99, but i would never call it power metal. Rhapsody/Rhapsody of Fire is probably my favourite power metal band, and it's been that way since i bought Symphony of Enchanted Lands in 98. Stratovarious is probably one of the bands that really made power metal what it is. Great band, and i love their songs. And they deserve to be very close to the top. But i do feel like Rhapsody belong on the power metal list, even though its very symphonic. They cant go in the same category as Nightwish, since they are much closer to power metal than Nightwish.
+Wormweed Not power metal? I listen to Oceanborn and Wishmaster and they are indeed power metal. Well, symphonic power metal. I have a hard time finding gothic metal elements. Probably some gothic imagery, but musically they are power metal.
Kalimdor199 Yes they have some power metal songs, but i wont define Nightwish as a power metal band. They dont even have a full album that could be defined as a power metal album. Listen to Rhapsody's Symphony of enchanted lands. Thats an album that is pure power metal, apart from the story telling. And i just dont see too many similarities between Nightwish and bands like Rhapsody. Nightwish only has Emppu on guitars, and he plays just rhythm guitar in many of their songs, no lead parts that make it sound like power metal. Emppu is great, dont get me wrong, and he sure can play lead, and power metal, just listen to some of the other bands he played in. But this is just my point of view, and how i define power metal.
Wormweed They have 2 as far as I'm concerned. Nightwish is a little bit of a different breed. Not all power metal bands sound the same. I think Nightwish started to become pure symphonic metal only after Tarja left. Oceanborn and Wishmaster are albums that are definitely rooted in European power metal. Period. From then on Tuomas's interest in movie soundtrack kicked in, making the band to tone-down their sound.
@@LemmyLawless True, but in a lot of their tracks, I hear a lot of elements and characteristics of Power Metal. Songs like Rise or Fall, Princess of Love, Thunder, and The Calling, all have the choir-like chorus chant, fantasy oriented themes, classically inspired melodies, and of course, harmonized guitar parts with super melodic solos. I would call it a precursor to Power Metal if anything. Maybe prog. Either way, they definitely sounded different than other bands from that era.
I still remember this one. I think this is a really important episode, because it's one of the rarest cases where the clash of different ideas of Power Metal has been involuntarly brought up. A huge clash of ideas between Sam, the host and the fans. I think that most of the self proclaimed "huge Power Metal fans" are resting too much on the same melodic bands, and so they identify this genre with tons of keyboards, double bass carpets, fantasy lyrics and so on. But Power Metal is, sure, also that, at least since the mid '90, but it's also so much more. Come on guys, open your mind, push yourselves! You're metalheads, you should be prone to discovery and challenge your hears. Stop meddling on the same Rhapsody and Stratovarius and go discover some Riot, Virgin Steele, Running Wild, Vicious Rumors, Jag Panzer, Metal Church, Manilla Road and so on! They'll be rougher, but they carry their on strong feeling of epic and powerful, with little or no keyboards and with tons of riffs.
Symphony X Country of origin: United States Location: Middletown, New Jersey Status: Active Formed in: 1994 Genre: Progressive Power Metal Lyrical themes: Mythology, Fantasy, Religion Current label: Nuclear Blast Years active: 1994-present Symphony X can fit on to two branches of the metal tree.. prog& power metal
ikr ALL my sads when people have lengthy talks about power metal and dont mention them :( theyve been putting out great power metal albums since 2009 now the first two are more heavy metal but still great albums
well already before the video starts, I can remove Scorpions, Iced Earth, Accept, Manowar, Yngwie Malmsteen, Nightwish, and Dio. 1. Scorpions, Accept, Manowar and Dio all play regular classic heavy metal, with power metal influences either in the lyrics (Dio) or in the guitar harmonies (Scorpions) they clearly are an influence to the birth of power metal, without being power metal themselves. 2. Iced Earth are not fully power metal, more like a mix of power and thrash, but mostly on the thrash side. Depending on the album (The Dark Saga, etc.) they can also be reg. heavy metal. 3. Yngwie Malmsteen touches to power metal in some way but is closer to neoclassical metal. While neoclassical metal mostly focuses on the guitar's virtuosity and classical elements, guitar is only the component of a whole in power metal, without the classical elements most of the time. 4. Nightwish used to be power metal but left the genre after Wishmaster, they haven't been part of the power metal branch in the last 15 years or so.
Dragonforce and RoF definitely belong in the power metal category. 1. even though keyboards are not used in every band, it is a strong aspect of power metal 2. melodies in the guitar, dual harmonies, long crazy solos 3. overall fast songs with some ballads in each albums 4. lyrics are strongly based around fantasy Rainbow should be removed, they are closer to some kind of melodic hard rock. Even though they surely are an influence to the power metal subgenre, they are not power metal themselves. most of Sonata Arctica's discography is power metal, with only Unia, TDoG (symph metal) and SGHN (some kind of hard rock) being something else. Their main genre always has been power metal, and they even came back to their roots in some way with Pariah's Child. Virgin Steele are a nice mix of prog-power-symph. Their power side is definitely strong, but I still hesitate about them, maybe we could allow them in the category.
@@wenndingofoster5680 Cauldron is not glam they started out as classic metal with some doom then went more so AOR they cover super obscure tunes they know no one will know but they want to do it and they kept going for years and changed their sound without giving a fuck ... i don´t think any of them are into it just for the looks , not everyone with big glam like hair are like that dude.
Some of my favorites are a bit on the extreme side. ashes of ares. Matt Barlow is a vocal god among men and a great follow up from his time in iced earth and Van Williams blows my mind with his intro to the messenger. charred walls of the damned. Where I feel Barlow is more on the passionate soulful side, Ripper Owens has power and grit for days and days. Rich Christie (death) adds his heavy edge which I felt was a perfect evolution of the genre. Most of all... Demons and Wizards!!!!! Iced Earth and Blind Guardians basrard love child. Touched by the Crimson King and Fiddler on the green are some of the most impressive songs ever created to the genre and IMO ever.
Funny thing, I dont keep up very well with what's going on. By fate or coincidence I did pick up Charred Walls of The Damned and Demons and Wizards. Love both albums. I was watching this thinking "I am so unplugged, I wont know any of these groups". With Hope's of finding good bands to look into.
Here's the thing: as much as I admire Sam and Banger Films for their great documentary work on the subject of Metal music, ever since the 1st documentary I have always felt the concept of the "Metal Family Tree" is inherently flawed, and this video is reassuring of that. Heavy Metal music is diveded into a lot of sub-genres and those sub-genres get divided into sub-sub-genres and so on; at some point there's cross-pollination between some of these sub-genres making the whole "labeling" thing something that very likely will lead to controversy one way or the other because at this point we have reached greyish areas. Bands like Manowar, Savatage, Iced Earth, Blind Guardian and Primal Fear represent a hard-edged brand of the "Power Metal" sound; whilst bands like Stratovarius, Sonata Arctica, Angra and Kamelot represent a more "polished" approach to the very same sound. But surely there will be people who won't agree with this because in the end of it, it's a matter of perspective.
You have no idea how the term power metal was used in the 80s. Some people even described Voivod as power metal in the very early days when they were playing a very heavy form of thrash, heavier even than Slayer.
Rhapsody belongs here, when I think of symphonic metal i think of epica, within temptation, edenbridge and such, but Rhapsody and Angra - and also old Nightwish - was more power than sympho/filmscoremetal, have always been powermetal with symphonic/orchestral elements. And old Sonata qualifies to be on the list. Edguy and Avantasia too. When it comes to the modern power I would absolutely mention Orden Ogan and Powerwolf.
Rhapsody/Rhapsody of Fire is THE power metal band, as far as I'm concerned. Italian symphonic fantasy power metal would be my definition of Rhapsody. I guess it's a matter of what you define as power metal. I think, for me, power metal needs the "gallop" riffs, with a smattering of bass drums and some major harmonies. Rhapsody does not belong with the likes of Nightwish.
+Michael Hope Dammit. I completely forgot Armored Saint. Their album Symbol of Salvation was a defining album for the band and for the US Power Metal scene.
+atticmetal Why not? Why end the episode before you end the material? I'd rather listen to another 20 minutes of good discussion than the 5 minutes of BS at the start of this episode
+Jákup Páll Østerø Oh GOD I so much agree. Gamma Ray got in there in the end. But it was close. If you go find my post, I raged about the fact Rage have been excluded. I love Conception (with Tore Ostby, who went on to form Ark) but they are more progressive than power - even if they ended up having a huge influence over the current scene, in that without Conception then Kamelot wouldn't be who they are, nor would Avantasia, or many others. I'm sure Jorn would have hit the scene (he was also in Ark) but still... the natural progression came straight out of Conception into Ark that gave Jorn Lande his open door.
They're spelt Conception, they only had four albums. If you like Kamelot's singer go listen to "My Decision" or "In Your Multitude" and you'll get an idea of sound and style.
Power Metal to me is: Helloween, Hammerfall, Grave Digger, Blind Guardian, Gamma Ray, Stratovarius, Sabaton, Rhapsody Of Fire, Edguy, Avantasia, Dream Evil, Kamelot (melodic power metal) Dragonforce and Sonata Arctica (even though I don't like the last two much). Some of these are a little bit symphonic or proggy but the vocals and riffs are there. Running Wild is "pirate hard rock", Symphony X is prog/power together with Pagans Mind, Masterplan has Jorn so it goes more like melodic hard rock with symphonic elements. Angra went prog when Falaschi left the band and Lione came around. Even though Edguy has some huge hard rock and classic metal influence they released Vain Glory Opera and Mandrake. Iced Earth was always more of a thrashy 80's NWOBHM influenced metal with dramatic vocalists.
Marcelo Bassalo I feel slighted !!!! Why are you disrespectingNorth American power metal? Europe isn' t the only place in this world that's associated with power metal! Give a listen to Riot, Savatage, Crimson Glory + Metal Church! You'll be apologizing to. America for dissing our power metal !
+Flugmorph It's funny because in 25:38 Sam read my comment "Omen was one of the greatest heavy metal bands ever" and then he put Omen on the list. But I don't wrote this to put Omen on the list, just for answer a guy who talk about Omen and I was like "Yeah pal, Omen rules". I think there other bands than deserve be on the list.
I could make arguments in each direction for Kamelot on Power Metal versus Symphonic Metal. Rainbow probably was the prototypical power metal band, but has been thought of as a Classic Heavy Metal band for so long that its easy to say no to them as a typical Power Metal band.
Originally, during the 80's, "Power Metal" came from the US : Vicious Rumors, Obsession, Helstar, Apocrypha, Hexx, Wild Dogs, Liege Lord, Hades, and many more... In Europe, this term was used less. Accept or Zed Yago were pure "Heavy Metal" while early Helloween or Rage were "Speed Metal" (or "Heavy/Speed Metal" !). Scorpions was a "Hard Rock" band. It's a matter of generation. Some definition change over time, music too, bands too... The term "Power Metal" has different meanings depending the generation you belong.
the depth of sound the keyboard can add to metal is potentially great. I love Dark Tranquility and they use the keyboard really well to add a real unique sound to the metal they play. Jordan Rudess of Dream Theater probably does this best though
The first wave of prog. metal and power metal were quite similar in sound, making the confusion about bands like Savatage very prevalent. But in the end, Savatage will always be considered progressive metal.
You are thinking of U.S. Power Metal. It isn't power metal by today's standards. It's basically just Heavy Metal whereas power metal is seen as the European style.
Virgin Steele changed my life! Years into being a metalhead I thought no band could become my favorite after the ones I already loved! Virgin Steele is amazing!
@Blood Eagle 88 NWOBHM was a musical movement starting in the late 70's. Judas Priest had existed for a decade at that point, and released 5 studio albums. And calling NWOBHM a genre is like calling the british invasion a genre. It was a time-specific movement in music that, although the bands influenced eachother, really had no rules attached, and has only come to be regarded as a "specific sound" after-the-fact. Metalheads would make for the best librarians, don't you think?
@Blood Eagle 88 Black metal is a genre, first wave of black metal isn't. Simple, right? The reason it had it's own distinct sound as you say is because many of the bands influenced each other, or drew from the same influences, but there were no real criteria. Compare Motörhead and Iron Maiden. They are as different to eachother as you can get, yet they're both nwobhm. The only criteria for nwobhm was that you had to be a British metal band during a certain period in time (late 70's to mid 80's approx.) It's really easy to just boil down the essence of musical movements into an easily defined set of rules and calling it a genre, but that is the antithesis of what music is and how it works. When these bands were creating music, they were doing something new, there were no rules. It's only after-the-fact that people are saying "alright this is how it's supposed to go", which is rather stupid, you see.
Even though I do not like some of these genres I still like to watch these episodes just to civilize myself about the history of metal. Thank you Banger for these awesome video's!!!!
SAVATAGE: They mixed metal, classical music ( Grieg) & emotional issues into their material Leatherwolf : the first power metal band to have a triple axe attack
zevvay Fucking Elitist !!! What if I was to tell you that the genre of metal that you're a fan of sucks , without giving you a reason??? I've been a Power Metal fan since 1980/81 + I absolutely love it !
There should be a separate Symphonic Metal episode. I don't think segmenting symphonic black metal, or symphonic power metal is necessary, just any band that utilizes classical songwriting arrangements and large symphony orchestras. Bands that come to mind: Nightwish, Rhapsody of Fire, Sonata Arctica as mentioned. But also: Cradle of Filth and Dimmu Borgir (they both don't fit in black metal), Fleshgod Apocalypse (they don't fit in melodic death metal), Yngwie Malmsteen, Abigail Williams, Apocalyptica, Avantasia, Ayreon, Epica, Trans-Siberian Orchestra, and Septicflesh.
21:45 - I could have sworn I included Kamelot and Rhapsody of Fire in that comment. 32:04 - Glad I could help get one of the best US power bands on this chart. \m/ Its too bad this list ended up being so Eurocentric, but what can you do when the European style and it's offshoots are so much more popular.
+MrRitualSuicide So you're to blame for Manilla Road? Can you please explain? I'm all for having US bands in there (Personally I'd prefer to have two separate branches). Virgin Steele, Iced Earth, Kamelot, and Manowar are all US bands, by the way. You could have included so many others instead of Manilla Road, though: Leatherwolf, Pretty Maids, even WASP.
Firewind is sorely missing from this list. "Between Heaven And Hell", "Burning Earth" , "Forged In Fire", "Allegiance", "The Premonition" are all fantastic albums, with the latter being an absolute masterpiece and "Immortals" is both a triumphant return to form and one of the best metal albums of 2017 so far. They've earned their place in the pantheon and not to mention, Gus G, is one of the best guitarists on the planet.
Iron Maiden and Judas Priest should've made this list, if only for the fact that they inspired damn near all the bands on this list. Also, since Accept is on the list, U.D.O. should be on there too by association.
I'm pretty sure HammerFall and Primal Fear are just heavy metal, especially HammerFall, I heard all their albums, never considered them power metal like say...Stratovarious, Rhapsody, Helloween, Blind Guardian, etc.
Sabaton is one of the best Power Metal bands out there today. There is not a album of theirs I have not enjoyed. I was lucky when I found a copy of "Heroes" in a local Hastings store here in Texas. I snapped the album up within a week.
Matthew Norman Don't bother bringing the 70s up here.. I couldn't stand Edgar Winter, because I've always been a Rod Argent fan . ( Argent may be closer to being a inspiration for Power Metal , than that pompus key-tar playing one hit wonder ( Frankenstein wasn't great of a song either) Edgar Winter !
Rainbow one of my all time favorite bands with Dio. However, I wouldn't call them "power metal" lyrics topic style may have set a foundation for later power metal bands. I see Rainbow as a continuation of bands like Black Sabbath and Deep Purple in the evolution of heavy metal.
What about doing a Speed Metal episode with Anvil, Metal Church, Mercyful Fate, Accept, Motörhead and the others that fall between N.W.O.B.H.M., Power, "classic/trad." and Thrash?
The comment was already made but keyboards never looked cooler than the way Jon Lord made them look. Saw old footage of Deep Purple and Jon Lord and Richie Blackmore were alternating back and forth solos and just rocking the fuck out to the music they were creating and it was just bad ass to watch. Thank you for moving the Scorpions Accept and DIO out of this subgenre they have more of the classic metal sound. Omen was a trip to see mentioned being I havent thought about them in years. Armored Saint should have been added.
An amazing power metal band I just discovered is Blizzard Hunter out of Perú. There's also Enforcer out of Sweden. But the kings of the genre are definitely Riot (and Manowar & Halloween & Gamma Ray).
Yes for sure there needs to be a Symphonic Metal episode. Nightwish is one of the great bands in the genre. As you said Epica, Sonata Arctica, and all those need to be together for sure. Bands to add to the Symphonic Metal genre are Sirenia and Delain for sure. Nice mention of Sabaton I just got into them this past week I'm really into every song I hear from them. I want to see them live for sure.
I did mention Sirenia. I haven't really listened to Tristania's music but I do agree from what I know they belong in the genre. Also Leaves'Eyes, Doro maybe and Xandria.
not really..there are bands that can fit on to two charts both tristania & Sirenia could fit on to two charts.. or maybe there could be a symphonic gothic metal chart ?
blue, both tristania & sirenia were mentioned on the gothic metal chart... but,to me ..both bands would be perfect to add to two charts...or start a new one symphonic gothic metal?
Since you guys took the older bands off, you should have an episode of trad metal. Put those guys on that list along with Deep Purple, Uriah Heap, early Judas Priest, as well as modern bands like Cauldron, Bullet, Wolf, Witchcraft (since you refused to put them on the doom list, but they aren't really folky enough to be straight folk metal to me), and Fozzy.
Angra has some of the most powerful and skilled power metal tunes. They should not only be there but should also be recognize as one of the very best. Galneryus have also impress a lot of powermetal fans
Ri P Andre Matos
U.S. Power Metal: Metal Church, Reverend, Heretic, Vicious Rumors, Meliah Rage, Iced Earth, Sanctuary...heavier and faster than traditional heavy metal but not quite thrash metal.
European power metal: Helloween, Blind Guardian, Gamma Ray, Rhapsody, Stratovarius...etc.
The two don't necessarily sound the same.
Death is real...
Helstar & Liege Lord are good additions to the list as well. I don't mind some European power metal as long as it doesn't get too flowery and keyboardy.
+Scott Waters (ultmetal) I totally agree with your inclusion of Metal Church and Iced Earth. Meliah Rage was definitely an influence on the scene as well, but like most early power metal they didn't have much impact anywhere. Sanctuary were also of interest, but I'm struggling to include them in the power metal scene (even the US scene). The other US bands, I don't know enough about them.
It's an interesting point that they don't sound 'the same'. Could we include two branches on the tree, perhaps.
bluebehir
I think you definitely could have two different branches of the tree. U.S. Power metal of the 80's sounds nothing like what European power metal became in the 90's. I mean, Helloween, Rage, Running Wild could all be included in the power metal tree as well, but even they don't sound like all the later European power metal bands of the 1990's and onward.
Fact is, even Metallica were called "power metal" early on. I remember buying Kill 'Em All as a new release and the band calling themselves power metal but it didn't take long before the thrash tag was far more common for them.
+Scott Waters (ultmetal)
US Power Metal:
Metal Church and Iced Earth are the big names that came out on top. Virgin Steele is also huge.
Bands like Leatherwolf, Meliah Rage and Pretty Maids were early on.
I would like to include WASP in that list, almost everything they did from Headless Children on was power metal.
Armored Saint, even the John Bush era of Anthrax was power metal to me.
Sword was another great "US" power metal band (Canada, would have to come under US I'm afraid).
German Power metal:
Helloween, Blind Guardian, Rage, Running Wild, Axel Rudi Pell, Jorn Lande, Edguy, Sinner, and about a hundred other bands. New stuff like Masterplan, Avantasia, Iron Savior, Primal Fear.
+bluebehir Any weight for including Racer X? I think Street Lethal was pure power metal
power metal is just the logical progression of the metal bands, before punk influenced metal. ....
Metal Evolution is one of my favorite documentaries of all time
The moment he took Rhapsody Of Fire off I shook my head so hard, and said YOU PUT THAT BACK
I love Rhapsody but for me they symphonic
@@petershortland478 but the first 4 albums before the fire?
Look if Rhaposdy are not power metal then honestly I don't know what is. I mean The Forest of Unicorns 🦄...... Unicorns
@@petershortland478 there are symphonic black and death metal bands too.
@@petershortland478, it's symphonic power metal!!!
POWER METAL!
Precursors: Scorpions (70s), Judas Priest, Rainbow (70s), Accept, Dio.
Speed Metal*: Exciter, Agent Steel, Abattoir, Warfare, Raven, Hellion, Living Death, Acid, Enforcer, Bloodlust, Helstar, Riot, etc.
US Power Metal: Anvil, Manowar, Liege Lord, Lizzy Borden, Manilla Road, Jag Panzer, Iced Earth, Virgin Steele, Warlord, Omen, Thor, Savatage, Cage, Sanctuary, Metal Church, Vicious Rumors, Chastain, Messiah Force, Malice, etc.
European Power Metal: Helloween, Gamma Ray, Stratovarius, Cloven Hoof (3rd album), Blind Guardian, Edguy, Iron Savior, Stormwitch, Running Wild, Hammerfall, Rage, Heaven's Gate, Heavy Load, Primal Fear, Grave Digger, Secret Sphere, Sabaton, Iron Angel, Cain's Offering, DragonForce, Sonata Arctica, Powerwolf, Morgana LeFay, White Skull, Dark Moor, Dream Evil, Freedom Call, Angel Dust (later), Tad Morose, etc
Japanese Power Metal: X Japan, Sex Machineguns, Light Bringer, Aion, Dragon Guardian, Skywings, Ministrelix, Aldious, Cyntia, Albion, Mary's Blood, Bridear, Tears of Tragedy, etc.
Progressive Power Metal: Fates Warning, Queensryche, Crimson Glory, Kamelot, Heir Apparent, Lethal, Screamer, Angra, Titan Force, Conception, Battalion, Anubis Gate, Adramlech, Symphony X, Evergrey, Triosphere, Vision Divine, etc.
Neoclassical Power Metal: Yngwie J. Malmsteen, Versailles, Galneryus, Jupiter, Kamijo, Concerto Moon, Cacophony, Narnia, Warmen, Ark Storm, At Vance, Kenzani, Timo Tolkki's Avalon, Amberian Dawn, etc.
Folk Power Metal: Falconer, Elvenking, Wuthering Rights, Alestorm, Orden Ogan, Vexilium, Wilderun, Winterstorm, Spellblast, Lothlöryen, etc.
Symphonic Power Metal: Nightwish, Epica, After Forever, Visions of Atlantis, Edenbridge, Rhapsody of Fire, Damnation Angels, Diabulus in Musica, Legenda Aurea, Xandria (later), HolyHell, Liv Moon, Operatika Element, Seraphim, Avantasia, Pathfinder, Fairyland, Ancient Bards, Gloryhammer, Thy Majestie, Dragonland, etc.
Extreme Power Metal: Children of Bodom, Wintersun, Blood Stain Child (early), Inearthed, Whispered, Crimson Shadows, etc.
Power/Gothic Metal: Pythia, Krypteria.
*Speed metal was like the next evolution of traditional heavy metal. I define it as 'take an early Judas Priest song and speed it up'. Eventually it led to the creation of power metal which was even more over the top. Some of the bands mentioned in other categories began as speed metal bands (Grave Digger for example).
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***** Styx is a prog rock/AOR band who evolved in a pop rock act, not metal at all. Whether some of their influences can be found in power metal bands, that can be discussed, but they are hardly a precursor of power metal.
***** Influences are many and it depends on each band. I talk about precursors. Bands and artists that shaped power metal in what it is today. Not about influences. Judging from how varied power metal bands are today. influences come from outside of metal. Yet they are additions.
Styx was prog rock for most of their career. It just took different forms. In the beginning they were more of a prog hard rock band. Then they started to mess with some AOR/pop elements. And no. Pop elements could be heard very early in their career. The Grand Illusion had some, if I recall correctly. Killjoy is just their poppyest album.
AOR is still very used today and it was common in the 80s. It is a stripped down, very simple version of prog rock. I call it prog pop rock or lite-prog rock. In the 80s it was very popular. You had bands like Survivor for example. Asia, Journey, Foreigner, Toto, Magnum and a lot more. REO Speedwagon was just one of the pioneers.
And I did not mean that REO Speedwagon has something to do with metal as I did not mean that AOR is a precursor of power metal. Styx has a sound vastly different. First of all, it doesn't have the metal signature, second, they have always been more pop oriented even when they were not a pop rock band.
I listened to both of them for more than 20 years. I know what I'm talking about. Styx, if supposedly has an influence upon some power metal bands, that I may accept. But that influence did no shape power metal in what it is today, much less what it meant in the 80s when it emerged.
As for the power ballad, that is a very weak argument as power ballads are common in more sub-genres of metal. Power ballads were heavily used in glam, heavy and thrash metal.
***** Thrash metal had its own ballads. Metallica had 5 on their first 5 albums. Testament had 3, if I recall correctly. Death Angel had one on their 3rd album. Even Megadeth had one, "In My Darkest Hour". And I have no idea about what you're talking about. When did I mention the 60s? I mentioned the 80s. Are we talking about the same thing.
In thrash metal's case, the difference is that they made their ballads more original. Not based upon the pop ballads of earlier bands or contemporaries (like the glam bands).
***** "isn't in my darkest hour about dave mustaines feelings after the bus accident that took cliff burton's life?"
No, it is about him and his problems with drug addiction.
"Styx's ballads also different.. ranging in emotions..."
That's a non-musical feature. You clearly do not understand that ballads in 90% of cases has a similar songwriting construction. The difference in thrash is that they make reverse ballads. Harder in tone during choruses, mellower during sections. But they are still power ballads.
As for what you gave me, that's basically an opinion voiced by a music journalist. I do not construct my opinions and perceptions based on other people's views. I construct them based on my own experiences.
As for the history of AOR, even the video says that 'grunge killed AOR', which means that AOR was still around in the 80s and beginning of the 90s. Moreover, the video shows the AOR movement lingered in underground in the 90s and resurfaced due to nostalgia in the 2000s.
I'd love to see a redo of this episode with Martin Popoff, he's just so much more aware of the history as the albums episode showed. Love Cauldron though.
Totally agree
I would also add it's at least bordering on if ignorant to plug one's ears at subgenre talk and say it's all heavy metal. Martin is the most knowledgeable guest for sure.
Put Rhapsody Of Fire back, they have dragons, swords and Fabio Lione. How the hell isn't that power?
Agreed !
ROF is more of a sym,phonic power metal band.. even Rhapsody of fire would admit this fact.
But symphonic power metal is just that, power metal with symphonic elements. It's more of an adjective than a separate genre.
ROF maybe a symphonic power metal band.. but POwer Metal none the less
Defo Symphonic Power Metal, don't think they generally fit on a list of Power Metal bands if we're talking about a more central taste of Power Metal though
I love BANGER and I love Lock Horns, but I have to say, this was not one of the best. As a big power metal fan, I think you could have had someone who was a bit more knowledgeable about the genre. Never listened to Kamelot? Or Sabaton? Jason seems like a cool guy, and I'm going to check out Cauldron now, but please consider picking your co-hosts a little more strategically. I know power metal isn't your personal favorite, but it's a very important and large genre, and I feel it was given the short end of the stick here.
Listen to Hammerfall They are really good
Sam has said several times in the past that he doesn't know power metal that well, so this wasn't really surprising. Still, this could've gone better.
And to not put Gamma Ray on the board from the get-go is -to me- a serious and unacceptable crime.
Crosswind is equally as good as a power metal band as hammerfall.. and they're greek !
how about iron savior?
you right dude, a better evaluation of the genrer itself could be best for power fans.
I think Power Metal should be two or three subgenres. The first power metal scene I think of is the american with Omen, early Nasty Savage, Manilla Road, Warlord, Brocas Helm, Virgin Steele and such and the second wave which was way more melodic and faster and more into the Fantasy imagery. You can even add Dio and Manowar into this first more primitive wave that had closer ties to traditional heavy metal. The Second wave is essentially the German wave in the late eighties and early nineties with Helloween, Blind Guardian, Edguy, Gamma Ray and such and a third wave could be the even more modern bands with symphonic and pop elements. But original power metal wave has really nothing to do with the wave that started in Germany a few years later. So different in sound, lyrics and speed.
+Ruuths Inn Thanks all your comments! Welcome to Lock Horns.
While "U.S. Power Metal" might just be my favorite metal style I really don't think it should be called power metal anymore. It's mostly just Heavy Metal to me.. Power Metal is today known basically only as the European style and pushing in American Heavy Metal just makes this into a huge mess..
Uriah Heep is "early metal" from the 70's. Like Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin they are considered Hard/Heavy Rock by most today. I prefer the term Early Metal. Anyway, they certainly aren't power metal. Uriah Heep is a 70's band from the UK while the current term Power Metal refers to bands that came in the end of the 80's and had most success in the 90's.
Could Uriah Heep be a n inspiration for Power Metal?
the only tracks of theirs that i would describe/classify as metal songs are Easy livin', Sweet lorraine& Stealin'
THe rest of their material definately has the themes of power metal...what metal band would have a song about a time traveler,or Pagans being harassed by Christians?
Could there be a subgenre to power metal,called traditional power metal..?
this subgenre will combine both tradtional & power metal.. with kisses of other metal genres.
Riot , Metal church , Sanctuary , Pantera ( Mid / Late 80's , with a killer album called Power metal in 1988 with Phil anselmo introduced ) ...
I love Cauldron! Sorry to hear about the accident. Was looking forward to see them in Houston, TX. Can't wait to get the new album!!
Band: Labyrinth
Albums: Return to Heaven Denied, Timeless Crime, & Sons of Thunder
+Zeke Elder
Labyrinth, with 7 albums, at least they've stood the test of time, having started in 1994. They just haven't made much impact in the power metal scene.
Further to that, they've had some seriously quality singers in their lineup with Mark Boals, and Fabio Leone, but that put Labyrinth on the map, not the other way around.
Iron Savior, Powerwolf, and Heavenly need to be mentioned, if not on the list.
"No one looks cool pushing a shopping trolley on stage"
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As always, a fascinating debate. I'm especially pleased to have discovered Cauldron through this episode. Cheers from the UK
Hell yeah! Angra has Temple of Shadows. One of the greatest power metal albuns ever!
For future reference: Rhapsody/Rhapsody of Fire is 100% symphonic power metal, but I feel Nightwish is more symphonic HEAVY metal/gothic symphonic metal than what's considered power. Guitars are heavier, more bass guitar, etc., cause it to vary slightly. I also think Within Temptation fits with Nightwish.
+Thomas Kittock Yep, pretty much. I love Nightwish ( and power metal), and i've been a fan of Nightwish since 99, but i would never call it power metal. Rhapsody/Rhapsody of Fire is probably my favourite power metal band, and it's been that way since i bought Symphony of Enchanted Lands in 98.
Stratovarious is probably one of the bands that really made power metal what it is. Great band, and i love their songs. And they deserve to be very close to the top.
But i do feel like Rhapsody belong on the power metal list, even though its very symphonic. They cant go in the same category as Nightwish, since they are much closer to power metal than Nightwish.
Agreed, agreed. I like Stratovarious too.
+Wormweed Not power metal? I listen to Oceanborn and Wishmaster and they are indeed power metal. Well, symphonic power metal. I have a hard time finding gothic metal elements. Probably some gothic imagery, but musically they are power metal.
Kalimdor199
Yes they have some power metal songs, but i wont define Nightwish as a power metal band. They dont even have a full album that could be defined as a power metal album.
Listen to Rhapsody's Symphony of enchanted lands. Thats an album that is pure power metal, apart from the story telling. And i just dont see too many similarities between Nightwish and bands like Rhapsody.
Nightwish only has Emppu on guitars, and he plays just rhythm guitar in many of their songs, no lead parts that make it sound like power metal.
Emppu is great, dont get me wrong, and he sure can play lead, and power metal, just listen to some of the other bands he played in.
But this is just my point of view, and how i define power metal.
Wormweed They have 2 as far as I'm concerned. Nightwish is a little bit of a different breed. Not all power metal bands sound the same. I think Nightwish started to become pure symphonic metal only after Tarja left. Oceanborn and Wishmaster are albums that are definitely rooted in European power metal. Period. From then on Tuomas's interest in movie soundtrack kicked in, making the band to tone-down their sound.
Leatherwolf and Fifth Angel are definitely some honorable U.S. Power Metal bands that are overlooked to this day.
I don't think Leatherwolf as Power metal, just straight forward heavy metal band, maybe speed metal too
@@LemmyLawless True, but in a lot of their tracks, I hear a lot of elements and characteristics of Power Metal. Songs like Rise or Fall, Princess of Love, Thunder, and The Calling, all have the choir-like chorus chant, fantasy oriented themes, classically inspired melodies, and of course, harmonized guitar parts with super melodic solos. I would call it a precursor to Power Metal if anything. Maybe prog. Either way, they definitely sounded different than other bands from that era.
Discovered Cauldron this year. Bought all their records on vinyl. Great band.
im glad jason mentioned running wild. \m/ horns up from ottawa
+c222030 yeah!!
I still remember this one.
I think this is a really important episode, because it's one of the rarest cases where the clash of different ideas of Power Metal has been involuntarly brought up. A huge clash of ideas between Sam, the host and the fans. I think that most of the self proclaimed "huge Power Metal fans" are resting too much on the same melodic bands, and so they identify this genre with tons of keyboards, double bass carpets, fantasy lyrics and so on. But Power Metal is, sure, also that, at least since the mid '90, but it's also so much more.
Come on guys, open your mind, push yourselves! You're metalheads, you should be prone to discovery and challenge your hears. Stop meddling on the same Rhapsody and Stratovarius and go discover some Riot, Virgin Steele, Running Wild, Vicious Rumors, Jag Panzer, Metal Church, Manilla Road and so on! They'll be rougher, but they carry their on strong feeling of epic and powerful, with little or no keyboards and with tons of riffs.
Blind Guardian the best power metal band in the world
The best band in the world. :)
***** Yngwie Malmsteen not is power metal, but i like .
***** For me Crimson glory is prog metal not is Power
Yes they can combine i like you
Angra from Brazil you know ?
Symphony X
Country of origin:
United States
Location:
Middletown, New Jersey
Status:
Active
Formed in:
1994
Genre:
Progressive Power Metal
Lyrical themes:
Mythology, Fantasy, Religion
Current label:
Nuclear Blast
Years active:
1994-present
Symphony X can fit on to two branches of the metal tree.. prog& power metal
I saw Sabaton open for Iced Earth and they do put on an awesome live show!
Sabaton can’t do anything without it being badass
I want to see Orden Ogan on this list!
They look like long lost brothers
Cauldron is the shit!! Glad everyone is okay from the accident!
Sam, just do an episode about Symphonic Metal.
+Pierre-Alexandre Demers so they can destroy that genre's branch as well?
Pierre, how about a symphonic power metal branch as well?
Pierre-Alexandre Demers. Sam also do a segment on Gothic Power Metal
How about a segment on one of my favorite double sub genres Symphonic Power Metal?
Black Majesty from Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Those guys are amazing.
Powerwolf is a must on this list!
+MrThrashmetal13 While I'd love to see them on here as they have had an amazing career, they've had relatively little impact until recently.
ikr ALL my sads when people have lengthy talks about power metal and dont mention them :( theyve been putting out great power metal albums since 2009 now the first two are more heavy metal but still great albums
How dare you take rhapsody and sonata arctica off of the list?!!! wtf is this, where are avantasia, gamma ray, edguy?
Fernando Alatorre. And Unisonic?
@@AzhidaReminiec9999 Unisonic is more rock influenced than power metal
Cauldron is Killer
Dragon Force is power metal it should be on the list
well already before the video starts, I can remove Scorpions, Iced Earth, Accept, Manowar, Yngwie Malmsteen, Nightwish, and Dio.
1. Scorpions, Accept, Manowar and Dio all play regular classic heavy metal, with power metal influences either in the lyrics (Dio) or in the guitar harmonies (Scorpions) they clearly are an influence to the birth of power metal, without being power metal themselves.
2. Iced Earth are not fully power metal, more like a mix of power and thrash, but mostly on the thrash side. Depending on the album (The Dark Saga, etc.) they can also be reg. heavy metal.
3. Yngwie Malmsteen touches to power metal in some way but is closer to neoclassical metal. While neoclassical metal mostly focuses on the guitar's virtuosity and classical elements, guitar is only the component of a whole in power metal, without the classical elements most of the time.
4. Nightwish used to be power metal but left the genre after Wishmaster, they haven't been part of the power metal branch in the last 15 years or so.
Dragonforce and RoF definitely belong in the power metal category.
1. even though keyboards are not used in every band, it is a strong aspect of power metal
2. melodies in the guitar, dual harmonies, long crazy solos
3. overall fast songs with some ballads in each albums
4. lyrics are strongly based around fantasy
Rainbow should be removed, they are closer to some kind of melodic hard rock. Even though they surely are an influence to the power metal subgenre, they are not power metal themselves.
most of Sonata Arctica's discography is power metal, with only Unia, TDoG (symph metal) and SGHN (some kind of hard rock) being something else. Their main genre always has been power metal, and they even came back to their roots in some way with Pariah's Child.
Virgin Steele are a nice mix of prog-power-symph. Their power side is definitely strong, but I still hesitate about them, maybe we could allow them in the category.
I see neoclassical metal and power metal as two separate things.
Manowar Plays traditional power metal ( Ie they play both trad & Power metal)
yngwie said it himself.... Neo classical power metal
Ronnie James Dio's Lyrics include being in search of one's self,,magick,the old religion of europe...etc...Dio must go back on the chart !
Do another lock horns on Powermetal, we need that! I love this channel btw, keep it metal
Always enjoy Sam and Lock Horns, and great information in this episode, but Jason Decay has the charisma of a desk lamp.
That's because he's only in music to show off his appearance . He thinks he's better than other people , Cauldron is a glam band
@@wenndingofoster5680 Cauldron is not glam they started out as classic metal with some doom then went more so AOR they cover super obscure tunes they know no one will know but they want to do it and they kept going for years and changed their sound without giving a fuck ... i don´t think any of them are into it just for the looks , not everyone with big glam like hair are like that dude.
Some of my favorites are a bit on the extreme side. ashes of ares. Matt Barlow is a vocal god among men and a great follow up from his time in iced earth and Van Williams blows my mind with his intro to the messenger.
charred walls of the damned. Where I feel Barlow is more on the passionate soulful side, Ripper Owens has power and grit for days and days. Rich Christie (death) adds his heavy edge which I felt was a perfect evolution of the genre.
Most of all...
Demons and Wizards!!!!! Iced Earth and Blind Guardians basrard love child. Touched by the Crimson King and Fiddler on the green are some of the most impressive songs ever created to the genre and IMO ever.
Funny thing, I dont keep up very well with what's going on. By fate or coincidence I did pick up Charred Walls of The Damned and Demons and Wizards. Love both albums. I was watching this thinking "I am so unplugged, I wont know any of these groups". With Hope's of finding good bands to look into.
Here's the thing: as much as I admire Sam and Banger Films for their great documentary work on the subject of Metal music, ever since the 1st documentary I have always felt the concept of the "Metal Family Tree" is inherently flawed, and this video is reassuring of that.
Heavy Metal music is diveded into a lot of sub-genres and those sub-genres get divided into sub-sub-genres and so on; at some point there's cross-pollination between some of these sub-genres making the whole "labeling" thing something that very likely will lead to controversy one way or the other because at this point we have reached greyish areas.
Bands like Manowar, Savatage, Iced Earth, Blind Guardian and Primal Fear represent a hard-edged brand of the "Power Metal" sound; whilst bands like Stratovarius, Sonata Arctica, Angra and Kamelot represent a more "polished" approach to the very same sound. But surely there will be people who won't agree with this because in the end of it, it's a matter of perspective.
Cauldron kicks ass! My sincere apologies for the Texas roads Jason. Hope you guys come back and see us.
Also, GLORYHAMMER!!!
I agree
Fuck yeah, Rush Power Windows! They're most underrated album IMO.
actually didnt ron mcgovney ex bass player from metallica made up the term power metal on their buisness card back in the day
Yeah, actually. But it wasn't really a thing that took because Lars freaked.
You have no idea how the term power metal was used in the 80s. Some people even described Voivod as power metal in the very early days when they were playing a very heavy form of thrash, heavier even than Slayer.
I hated Voivod.. their video for astrominae dominae fucked with my vision
As a joke on business cards that they handed out
Rhapsody belongs here, when I think of symphonic metal i think of epica, within temptation, edenbridge and such, but Rhapsody and Angra - and also old Nightwish - was more power than sympho/filmscoremetal, have always been powermetal with symphonic/orchestral elements. And old Sonata qualifies to be on the list. Edguy and Avantasia too. When it comes to the modern power I would absolutely mention Orden Ogan and Powerwolf.
Rhapsody/Rhapsody of Fire is THE power metal band, as far as I'm concerned. Italian symphonic fantasy power metal would be my definition of Rhapsody. I guess it's a matter of what you define as power metal. I think, for me, power metal needs the "gallop" riffs, with a smattering of bass drums and some major harmonies. Rhapsody does not belong with the likes of Nightwish.
how about symphonic power metal,oskar?
are you forgetting about teh high vocals of the frontman..?
Power Metal:
Helloween
Blind Guardian
Rhapsody (of Fire)
Sabaton
Angra
Gamma Ray
Stratovarius
HammerFall
Grave Digger
Primal Fear
Edguy/Avantasia
Manowar
Running Wild
Rage
Uriah Heep
Savatage
Crimson Glory
Leatherwolf
Can u put the list on Spotify?
+Tbone5455 Word. Apple Music sucks balls.
+Tbone5455 dude banger tv needs to make spotify playlists for all the metal genres. That would be tight.
+BANGER Spotify!!
They are the official metal team on apple music so thats rather unlikely.
i have trouble with going to apple music..so I can't get to these list.links
Accept..metal
Scorpions has the guitar harmonies for power metal..plus their ballads are absolutely beautiful
What about Metal Church and Armored Saint?
+Michael Hope They were on my list of mentions but we never got to it
+Michael Hope Dammit. I completely forgot Armored Saint.
Their album Symbol of Salvation was a defining album for the band and for the US Power Metal scene.
+atticmetal Why not?
Why end the episode before you end the material? I'd rather listen to another 20 minutes of good discussion than the 5 minutes of BS at the start of this episode
+Freyja11331ify Both! This could go on forever, we need to stop thinking about it!
+atticmetal we'll never stop!
Jon Lord of Deep Purple and Whitesnake etc always look cool and heavy!
Where on Earth is RAGE, CONSEPTION, GAMMA RAY
+Jákup Páll Østerø Oh GOD I so much agree.
Gamma Ray got in there in the end. But it was close.
If you go find my post, I raged about the fact Rage have been excluded.
I love Conception (with Tore Ostby, who went on to form Ark) but they are more progressive than power - even if they ended up having a huge influence over the current scene, in that without Conception then Kamelot wouldn't be who they are, nor would Avantasia, or many others. I'm sure Jorn would have hit the scene (he was also in Ark) but still... the natural progression came straight out of Conception into Ark that gave Jorn Lande his open door.
+Jákup Páll Østerø Gamma Ray was on there. Rage is more heavy metal or speed metal than power metal. I've never even heard of Conseption.
They're spelt Conception, they only had four albums. If you like Kamelot's singer go listen to "My Decision" or "In Your Multitude" and you'll get an idea of sound and style.
Power Metal to me is: Helloween, Hammerfall, Grave Digger, Blind Guardian, Gamma Ray, Stratovarius, Sabaton, Rhapsody Of Fire, Edguy, Avantasia, Dream Evil, Kamelot (melodic power metal) Dragonforce and Sonata Arctica (even though I don't like the last two much). Some of these are a little bit symphonic or proggy but the vocals and riffs are there. Running Wild is "pirate hard rock", Symphony X is prog/power together with Pagans Mind, Masterplan has Jorn so it goes more like melodic hard rock with symphonic elements. Angra went prog when Falaschi left the band and Lione came around. Even though Edguy has some huge hard rock and classic metal influence they released Vain Glory Opera and Mandrake. Iced Earth was always more of a thrashy 80's NWOBHM influenced metal with dramatic vocalists.
IS that because ,you're a european?
American Power Metal combines trad metal& power metal
All Good bands
Marcelo Bassalo I feel slighted !!!! Why are you disrespectingNorth American power metal? Europe isn' t the only place in this world that's associated with power metal! Give a listen to Riot, Savatage, Crimson Glory + Metal Church! You'll be apologizing to. America for dissing our power metal !
Marcelo Bassalo Running Wild had pirate themed matetial on only one lp...prior to that album , I'd say that they were a power metal band ( in a way)
omen doesnt belong there. to little impact on the scene
They're awesome though. I'd also say they were one of the best US power metal bands back in the day.
+Flugmorph It's funny because in 25:38 Sam read my comment "Omen was one of the greatest heavy metal bands ever" and then he put Omen on the list. But I don't wrote this to put Omen on the list, just for answer a guy who talk about Omen and I was like "Yeah pal, Omen rules". I think there other bands than deserve be on the list.
Wouldn't Omen be a Trad metal band?
I could make arguments in each direction for Kamelot on Power Metal versus Symphonic Metal. Rainbow probably was the prototypical power metal band, but has been thought of as a Classic Heavy Metal band for so long that its easy to say no to them as a typical Power Metal band.
how about a traditional power metal band?
Originally, during the 80's, "Power Metal" came from the US : Vicious Rumors, Obsession, Helstar, Apocrypha, Hexx, Wild Dogs, Liege Lord, Hades, and many more...
In Europe, this term was used less. Accept or Zed Yago were pure "Heavy Metal" while early Helloween or Rage were "Speed Metal" (or "Heavy/Speed Metal" !). Scorpions was a "Hard Rock" band.
It's a matter of generation. Some definition change over time, music too, bands too... The term "Power Metal" has different meanings depending the generation you belong.
Classic, where can I find cds by virgin steele, vicious rumors,Obsession,helstar etc?
Not difficult. A lot of online stores...
thanks classic.. found them on amazon
classic, how about Riot.. they're a heavy/power metal bandafter all
Classic, wasn't early Helloween thought of as speed metal?
Sam, could there be a longer segment of banger tv on Power Metal?
Please get a co host who knows about power metal,because he plays it!
Andrasté, tune in next week we have Martin Popoff in to talk the essential Power Metal albums! October 12 at 5pm EST.
BANGER thanks for telling me about it ,sam
Power Windows!
the depth of sound the keyboard can add to metal is potentially great. I love Dark Tranquility and they use the keyboard really well to add a real unique sound to the metal they play. Jordan Rudess of Dream Theater probably does this best though
where the fuck is Savatage?
They're in the prog metal debate. I agree that they're power metal though.
i hear u.
The first wave of prog. metal and power metal were quite similar in sound, making the confusion about bands like Savatage very prevalent. But in the end, Savatage will always be considered progressive metal.
Very smart indeed.
You are thinking of U.S. Power Metal. It isn't power metal by today's standards. It's basically just Heavy Metal whereas power metal is seen as the European style.
Virgin Steele changed my life! Years into being a metalhead I thought no band could become my favorite after the ones I already loved! Virgin Steele is amazing!
I personally think that DIO, Accept, Manowar, and Iron Maiden are the founders of Power Metal
Admar. Aren't you forgetting Alcatrazz?
@Blood Eagle 88 nwobhm isn't a genre.
@Blood Eagle 88 Also, Judas Priest are by definition not nwobhm.
@Blood Eagle 88 NWOBHM was a musical movement starting in the late 70's. Judas Priest had existed for a decade at that point, and released 5 studio albums.
And calling NWOBHM a genre is like calling the british invasion a genre. It was a time-specific movement in music that, although the bands influenced eachother, really had no rules attached, and has only come to be regarded as a "specific sound" after-the-fact. Metalheads would make for the best librarians, don't you think?
@Blood Eagle 88 Black metal is a genre, first wave of black metal isn't. Simple, right? The reason it had it's own distinct sound as you say is because many of the bands influenced each other, or drew from the same influences, but there were no real criteria. Compare Motörhead and Iron Maiden. They are as different to eachother as you can get, yet they're both nwobhm. The only criteria for nwobhm was that you had to be a British metal band during a certain period in time (late 70's to mid 80's approx.) It's really easy to just boil down the essence of musical movements into an easily defined set of rules and calling it a genre, but that is the antithesis of what music is and how it works. When these bands were creating music, they were doing something new, there were no rules. It's only after-the-fact that people are saying "alright this is how it's supposed to go", which is rather stupid, you see.
Even though I do not like some of these genres I still like to watch these episodes just to civilize myself about the history of metal. Thank you Banger for these awesome video's!!!!
Where the hell is Nevermore????
Best band of the 2000's. Totally forgotten, so weird.
Could it be due to the fact that Nevermore split up in 2011?
SAVATAGE: They mixed metal, classical music ( Grieg) & emotional issues into their material
Leatherwolf : the first power metal band to have a triple axe attack
SAVATAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Savatage for sure. Rainbow as well.
Nice hair extensions, Jason! :P
Love your show and your movies, Sam! Horns up! \m/
Cauldron sucks, power metal sucks.
Whatever you say kid.
Vikingr Fmly I'm so offended.
Age please.... cauldron is a goood metal band. what ever . your taste in music is ... IT SUCKS !!!
power metal doesn't suck...you have to give it a chance
zevvay Fucking Elitist !!! What if I was to tell you that the genre of metal that you're a fan of sucks , without giving you a reason??? I've been a Power Metal fan since 1980/81 + I absolutely love it !
Speaking of American Power Metal, you have to mention Jag Panzer, where Chris Broderick played prior to Megadeth, also Riot and Armored Saint.
So in love with this channel \m/
Jason, I have a question for you...
Could bands such as Triumph& Zebra fit onto the Power metal branch?
they had the vocals ,material& sound for it
There should be a separate Symphonic Metal episode. I don't think segmenting symphonic black metal, or symphonic power metal is necessary, just any band that utilizes classical songwriting arrangements and large symphony orchestras. Bands that come to mind: Nightwish, Rhapsody of Fire, Sonata Arctica as mentioned. But also: Cradle of Filth and Dimmu Borgir (they both don't fit in black metal), Fleshgod Apocalypse (they don't fit in melodic death metal), Yngwie Malmsteen, Abigail Williams, Apocalyptica, Avantasia, Ayreon, Epica, Trans-Siberian Orchestra, and Septicflesh.
symphonic/neo classical power metal...
basically it's the same subgenre..but has different elements i it.
And concerning the keyboard question, watch Jon Lord playing. Cool as fuck!
Euro power ( clasic , melodic , progressive and symphonic )
Helloween , gamma ray , running wild , rage , blind guardian , rhapsody of fire , stratovarius , dragonforce , angra , labyrinth , vision divine , dream evil , powerwolf , sabaton , firewind , powerquest , grave digger , hammerfall
Us power ( heavy / trash / speed / power / progressive )
Iced earth , riot , manilla road , vicious rumors , liege lord , crimson glory , fifth angel , virgin steele , jag panzer , agent steel , attacker , pharaoh , helstar , manowar , metal church , medieval steel , omen , titan force
Raziel redeemer and destroyer , peon and messiah i don’t want to be that person but *thrash
21:45 - I could have sworn I included Kamelot and Rhapsody of Fire in that comment.
32:04 - Glad I could help get one of the best US power bands on this chart. \m/
Its too bad this list ended up being so Eurocentric, but what can you do when the European style and it's offshoots are so much more popular.
+MrRitualSuicide So you're to blame for Manilla Road? Can you please explain?
I'm all for having US bands in there (Personally I'd prefer to have two separate branches).
Virgin Steele, Iced Earth, Kamelot, and Manowar are all US bands, by the way.
You could have included so many others instead of Manilla Road, though: Leatherwolf, Pretty Maids, even WASP.
Firewind is sorely missing from this list. "Between Heaven And Hell", "Burning Earth" , "Forged In Fire", "Allegiance", "The Premonition" are all fantastic albums, with the latter being an absolute masterpiece and "Immortals" is both a triumphant return to form and one of the best metal albums of 2017 so far. They've earned their place in the pantheon and not to mention, Gus G, is one of the best guitarists on the planet.
So is crosswind
Cole Jordan. I agree..Crosswind also is missing from this chart!
Iron Maiden and Judas Priest should've made this list, if only for the fact that they inspired damn near all the bands on this list. Also, since Accept is on the list, U.D.O. should be on there too by association.
Around 28:30, the question comes up of the origination point. Helloween was my immediate response, and Jason is the man for getting it right.
German Power Metal
sam thank you..you are the reason why i got into metal...
Hey! What about Firewind and Black Majesty?
I'm pretty sure HammerFall and Primal Fear are just heavy metal, especially HammerFall, I heard all their albums, never considered them power metal like say...Stratovarious, Rhapsody, Helloween, Blind Guardian, etc.
I am not a big fan of Hammerfall, but they are the essence of Power Metal
MANOWAR! I'm pleased to see them on The Board!
They always was power metal despite fact Joey Demaio doesn't like to talk about what Manowar are
Hey Sam, Since Deep Purple, Rainbow + Dio are the precursors of Power Metal...you should put them above the power metal magnets!
Sabaton is one of the best Power Metal bands out there today. There is not a album of theirs I have not enjoyed. I was lucky when I found a copy of "Heroes" in a local Hastings store here in Texas. I snapped the album up within a week.
You cannot LOOK cool playing keyboards (think Edgar Winter and the key-tar) but you can absolutely sound cool (think Rainbow in the Dark).
Matthew Norman Don't bother bringing the 70s up here.. I couldn't stand Edgar Winter, because I've always been a Rod Argent fan . ( Argent may be closer to being a inspiration for Power Metal , than that pompus key-tar playing one hit wonder ( Frankenstein wasn't great of a song either) Edgar Winter !
The key-tar was in the seventies .the same with Edgar winter
And Jen's Johansson
13:58 my 11 seconds of fame
the big four of ameircan power metal are
1) Riot
2) Savatage
3) Crimson Glory&
4) Metal Church
Rainbow one of my all time favorite bands with Dio. However, I wouldn't call them "power metal" lyrics topic style may have set a foundation for later power metal bands. I see Rainbow as a continuation of bands like Black Sabbath and Deep Purple in the evolution of heavy metal.
How would you classify the Joe Lynn Turner era of Rainbow?
@@juliereminiec4937 That era of Rainbow was more radio friendly. If I was going to classify it I'd say more of hard rock with a pop music flair.
X Japan's early stuff is power metal, check out the album Blue Blood and Jealousy
What about doing a Speed Metal episode with Anvil, Metal Church, Mercyful Fate, Accept, Motörhead and the others that fall between N.W.O.B.H.M., Power, "classic/trad." and Thrash?
Great idea and it's on the radar for sure.
Could actually consider AC/DC in that discussion too...
How did Nightmare from France miss this list. They are TRUE pioneers !!!
The comment was already made but keyboards never looked cooler than the way Jon Lord made them look. Saw old footage of Deep Purple and Jon Lord and Richie Blackmore were alternating back and forth solos and just rocking the fuck out to the music they were creating and it was just bad ass to watch. Thank you for moving the Scorpions Accept and DIO out of this subgenre they have more of the classic metal sound. Omen was a trip to see mentioned being I havent thought about them in years. Armored Saint should have been added.
jens Johansson also..don't forget him !
Who is everyone's favorite Power Metal band(s)?
Mine are Helloween & Gloryhammer.
+Ocean Sage manowar
+Ocean Sage manowar
Crimson Glory,Leatherwolf & Helloween are my favorite power metal bands
An amazing power metal band I just discovered is Blizzard Hunter out of Perú. There's also Enforcer out of Sweden. But the kings of the genre are definitely Riot (and Manowar & Halloween & Gamma Ray).
I love this fucking channel!!!!🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
"the hairstyle was worse than the keyboards". lmao !!!
Leige Lord... Helstar ... Savatage ...Warlord...Omen ... Just a few
Yes for sure there needs to be a Symphonic Metal episode. Nightwish is one of the great bands in the genre. As you said Epica, Sonata Arctica, and all those need to be together for sure. Bands to add to the Symphonic Metal genre are Sirenia and Delain for sure. Nice mention of Sabaton I just got into them this past week I'm really into every song I hear from them. I want to see them live for sure.
+Marco Sanchez You also need to add Tristania and Sirenia to the Symphonic Genre
I did mention Sirenia. I haven't really listened to Tristania's music but I do agree from what I know they belong in the genre. Also Leaves'Eyes, Doro maybe and Xandria.
not really..there are bands that can fit on to two charts both tristania & Sirenia could fit on to two charts.. or maybe there could be a symphonic gothic metal chart ?
blue, both tristania & sirenia were mentioned on the gothic metal chart... but,to me ..both bands would be perfect to add to two charts...or start a new one symphonic gothic metal?
Since you guys took the older bands off, you should have an episode of trad metal. Put those guys on that list along with Deep Purple, Uriah Heap, early Judas Priest, as well as modern bands like Cauldron, Bullet, Wolf, Witchcraft (since you refused to put them on the doom list, but they aren't really folky enough to be straight folk metal to me), and Fozzy.
I could see Warlock being added as an early power metal band.
sorry Jamie.. Warlock was a straight up Metal band
i met Jason 2 weeks ago in Helsinki :D