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GLAM METAL Essential bands debate with Priya Panda of Diemonds | LOCK HORNS (live stream archive)
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Join us for the live stream of LOCK HORNS, a weekly live streamed show debating the various genres of Banger’s Metal Family Tree.
Episode 10: Glam Metal features host Sam Dunn and guest co-host Priya Panda of Diemonds ( / diemonds . Priya's killer Apple Playlist can be found here: apple.co/1UjcSgZ.
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Some don’t want to admit it, but for many of us the glam scene was our gateway into heavier stuff.
I mean this in a respectful and serious way but I think it was an influence in some of alternative metal. The groove of the guitars from Glam has influenced groove metal too I think
Glam and Nu metal
Amen!
yep..I got into metal by Stryper now i like Mayhem lol
I'll admit it. It was for myself as recently as just a few weeks ago when Glenn metal served as a bridge between album-oriented rock that I've been listen to almost exclusively for months and metal. And this time I actually have ended up enjoying metal and sticking with it as opposed to the other eight or ten times I've tried.
I love one quote from the mighty Gary Holt of Exodus/Slayer.. " We fucking hated glam metal and that stuff. But we all went to the shows, because there's where all the chicks were"
metalmaster33 he knew that we can’t deny that, hair metal had the girls. I love the heaviness of thrash black and death as well but also love a good time party attitude. And probably the biggest genre of the metal family tree involving girls 🎸💯😍
You dim wit
Don't forget what Dave Mustaine called Glam.
Metal not about getting laid its about the music and that what makes thrash musicians more relatable they wernt pretty and larger than life they felt like one of you
@@somethingsomething9008 maybe that's because you weren't pretty and getting laid?😜
Huh, no Van Halen. They kickstarted the whole Sunset Strip scene, so they're at least proto-glam.
Proper Glam metal started in the 80s... Motley Crue is the pioneer of Glam metal
Combo of Van Halen, Aerosmith and Sweet are the forefathers IMO.
@@kitoyobeni1 Sweet can fit into both proto metal & pre glam metal
Since they're from the 70s
Gotta agree, VH inspired so many 80's Metal bands as well as those shredders. In my opinion they did a pretty good job of it.
Yeah and that's he put VH on the top of the list. But on the other most of thrash guitarists acclaim that they have been influenced by VH. So they are kind of a big influence on entirity of metal with their instrumentalism and gang vocals.
This channel really needs more subs, what a great channel. Thanks Sam!
The darkness is NOT fucking glam metal. The Darkness is a throwback to mid-70s glam rock (ala David Bowie, Sheer Heart Attack/Night at the opera Queen era). Hell the singer even wore the same style of unitard as FREDDIE FUCKING MERCURY.
I think they're heavy enough to at least be 70s Queen era metal.
暗黒騎士 Ankokukishi What?! Have you ever listened to Queen? They were not a glitter rock band,since glitter rock was over by the time "A Night at the Opera'' was released !
Bohemian Rhapsody was about a teenager who killed someone & is being executed ! How can this be the same as glitter rock?
Glitter rock ended by 1975..even here in the states..
how old are you?..still wet behind the ears?
Queen was closer to a power metal precursor..than they were to glam metal
暗黒騎士 Ankokukishi u got that right
Whoever the fuck said "Slayer is glam" might want to reconsider what they're doing with their lives.
+Couch Crashers They were trolling lol
Yeah I have according to Dave, they said what they were doing was just copying Ozzy at the time because it looked evil. I actually think they didn't look too bad with the eyeliner xD
ThrashTilldeath, would you describe bacds such as Black N Blue & trixter as glam metal?
I've always thought of Black n Blue as a metal Band.. trixter being teenagers fit into glam metal.
Metal Meltdown Reviews slayer not metal all the way speed metal in fact
OMG Sam! You are starting to look like Geddy Lee >.
Its very Metal in Canada I hear
You heard right.
Holy Summon *It's his favourite band !*
First time I get mentioned/referenced in an episode and it is the glam episode. Life is weird
Dokken looked like a Glam/hair metal band and they were from LA, but they kinda sounded European.
I agree with you,my friend..
Which Branch do you think Leatherwolf would/could fit on to?
mitch mclean Their producer was also Accept's producer and their first album was recorded in Germany.
Dokken is a metal band...that just because they were from L A, had a few very good looking members& had long hair...f=doesn't mean tat they were glam metal... like wise with Europe., whose first lps were more in a power emtal vien
+Astraea - I totally agree. I love all of these bands, but I would definitely NOT put Dokken (or Quiet Riot for that matter) in the Glam category. Even Ratt is borderline for me.
Jim Bowen Why do you think the word glamorous was used to describe these talentless bands? Most were hard rock and because of the big teased hair and girlish mannerisms. A few good singers out of maybe 30 bands and really no instrumental talent to speak of made for a quick departure for the genre and I'm glad. Some of their songs went top 40 pop, so you know that's touching bottom in true nature of metal talent.
People hear Skid Row's first album, "Skid Row", and immediately label them as glam. But the two albums following, "Slave to the Grind" and "Subhuman Race", were way heavier and way more diverse. They included real heavy metal, punk, grunge, power ballads, and hard rock. Give those two albums a listen if you haven't.
Each of the three were very different, agreed. First impressions, I suppose
Skid row,to me is a metal band
Nick Yelovich
Skid Row is heavy as fuck and those two albums are awesome!
Even with the first record Skid were Heavier than Motley Poison or even GNR for that matter !!
Trixter a bunch of teenagers
Cute ,but a lot of talent
I am so glad you try to bring bands and genres, as well as countries TOGETHER, instead of separating things. Just re-watched Global Metal.. which I always found mind-blowing
'Glam Metal' is not a music genre. Neither are 'Hair Metal' or even 'Pop Metal'. These are just brands, attached to almost every 80's band with loud guitars and long haired dudes.
Come to think of it: after all , the only thing these bands had in common was the 80's style production (reverby drums, cheesy backing vocals and lots of guitar overdubs).
For the rest, each band did their own thing:
- Mr Big was just 70's Hard Rock with 80's production.
- Bon Jovi, Europe, Def Leppard: Melodic Rock/AOR (same as Boston, Journey or Foreigner) + the 80's slick production.
- Mötley Crue, Ratt, Twisted Sister, Quiet Riot: Traditional Heavy Metal/Hard Rock + some catchy hooks + the 80's slick production.
- Cinderella: AC/DC + the 80's slick production.
- Poison: Cheap Trick inspired Power Pop + the 80's slick production.
Even within these terms, many bands would constantly fluctuate in their style:
Europe started playing Power Metal at the early 80's, then moved towards AOR and finished playing kickass Hard Rock ('Prisoners in Paradise').
A band like Winger was basically AOR with a touch of Prog.
You see, there was much more originality in the 80's scene than you would think.
Only if we strip down the fake 'Glam/Pop/Hair Metal' labels, this stigmatisation of the great bands of the eighties will stop.
It sounds right. There are definetively hair bands closer to AOR than to classic heavy metal or 70s glam.
That actually is a really good overview.
Cheers!
LA Guns
I was just coming to the comment section to put them in lol.
Hmmmm.....no Stryper???
Glam Metal is boiled down to the sleeze sounds of the sunset strip .. Faster Pussy cat, Motley Crue, Ratt
Chris, originally Ratt was called mickey rat .. they were from san diego
Attention RATT fans! If you haven't picked up their "Infestation" album from 2010, WTF!!! So killer in every way! It is their heaviest material since the early E.P. they began with and is shockingly strong! Warren DeMartini shreds!
white lion.. They have to be on that chart..
Mike tramps' voice is the epitome of the glam metal sound !
A great high tenor!
Van Halen lite lol!
Did this whole episode go by without a single mention of Faster Pussycat?
Thankfully!
What about the New York Dolls? They should be the legend in that category
Tim Powers They had nothing to do with metal. Just good old rock ‘n’ roll.
@@deadfuries2255 David Johanson wore make up in some of their videos ..I'm from that era. .
What do you think of the 70s band Angel ?
Could they have been a precursor for Glam Metal ?
They were more glam rock nr oll/punk band not metal
@@musicman1977 Angel ?
What band are you referring to?
Check some of their songs out
Wow, you had me interested until 40:37 when The Darkness were basically dismissed. Very surprised that fans of "glam" wouldn't be into the best glam band in the last 10 years IMHO.
Was there a better glam rock/metal album than "Last Of Our Kind" in 2015? In the last 2 years? In the last 5 years? If I somehow missed a masterpiece in there, let me know what's up.
I lived through the 80's and W.A.S.P. were shocking and offensive in that moment. I thought they were a lot more shock with the chains, the leather, the raw meat etc. They were more metal.
Whitsnake just evolved from a 70's and early 80's bluesy hard rock band, waved at the glam in the late 80's for the money and sex. They wanted to relevant for the late 80's. That's all. David Coverdale even admits it.
Yeah,W.A.S.P was the shit.. definitely authentic and badass too..
Yeah, WASP isn't glam and neither are many other bands. I think glam metal is a bullshit genre that shouldn't be applied to any band. Poison is called glam metal and they're not even heavy enough to be hard rock.
@@metalmaniac7772 true. WASP is fuckin awesome.
I agree
you should give a listen to the first wave of glam metal, Dokken, Motley, Krank, Seduce, Rough Cutt, Lizzy Borden, Twisted Sister, Quiet Riot, TNT, Krokus, first Ratt and first Great White and on, all of them were legit metal @@metalmaniac7772
WOW!!... A Tora Tora reference!... this chic knows her tuneage...
Tora Tora is a great hard rock band
They shouldn't be on this list
@@KateryReminiec9399 poison isn't even heavy enough to be hard rock and they're on the list. This whole "glam metal" genre is bogus
@@metalmaniac7772 Exactly. The glam metal and hair metal terms are used as derogatory, so nobody wants the bands they liked included. Just call it 80's Hard Rock and move on I guess?
My top 20 hair metal bands of all time: 20. Great White 19. Winger 18. Slaughter 17. Europe 16. L.A. Guns 15. White lion 14. Firehouse 13. Mr. Big 12. Extreme 11. Twisted Sister 10. Skid Row 9. Dokkon 8. Rat 7. Quiet Riot 6. Cinderella 5. Warrant 4. Whit snake 3. Bon Jovi 2. Motley Crue 1. Poison
devin,age please..whitesnake is a metal band..( ever heard of slide it in?)
Gresat white heavy metal/ hard rock.. danger danger more than dokken & europe
I was so excited to see the Crashdiet mention. I absolutely love them!!
I realized after looking at the tree, i only liked Guns and Roses and maybe some Twisted Sister
There is so much misunderstanding of what Glam Metal is and what it is not. People who compare Dokken, W.A.S.P., etc, to Cinderella and Poison, and think they sound the same, and to some extent play the same, and proceed to label them under a genre which lumps them together doesn't know what they are talking about. This is why people are confused whether Dokken, W.A.S.P., etc, are a hard rock band or traditional heavy metal or both while avoid the Glam Metal label (websites like Metallum for example) have every right to do so because the metal media does a horrible job in accurately informing people about the genre. Early 80's metal bands like Dokken, W.A.S.P., Loudness, T.N.T., etc, are Glam Metal because the are most likely influenced by early 80's metal like Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Saxon, Motorhead, etc, and are big time influenced by proto metal bands like Black Sabbath and Deep Purple along with Glam Rock while bands like Poison, Warrant, Cinderella, etc, where influenced by early 80's Glam Metal but stripped away any Metal sound in their music which doesn't even qualify them to be considered Metal. All they have is Glam looks.
To break it down:
First wave of Glam Metal (early to mid 80's): Dokken, W.A.S.P., early Motley Crue, M.A.R.S., Racer X, Nitro, Icon, Loudness, etc
Second wave of Glam "Metal" (mid to late 80's): Guns n' Roses, Cinderella, Poison, Warrant, Firehouse, etc
Cinderella is a metal band..that had some ballads ... that's all
Dokken >>definately a metal band
Andrasté Reminiec Cinderella we're influenced more by early glam metal bands but doesn't but doesn't have the metallic sound like their early contemporaries. That's why I wouldn't consider them metal at all. Bands like Dokken, W.A.S.P., M.A.R.S., Fifth Angel, London Etc, on the other hand are glam metal acts with influences derived from N.W.O.B.H.M., 70's rock / metal, glam rock, punk, etc. The bands have more of a metallic sound, sometimes plays fast heavy and powerful metal, coupled with glam image.
Ra Pariah there w asn't any glam metal until 1983/84... the n how would you describe britny fox..I'd doubt that they were a glam metal band.. as I didn;t hear any glam influences in their sound... as for cinderella..their first two lps weren't glam..after that i'd sort of agree with you.. now what about Europe& Dokken?
Glam metal originated with Motley Crue (thanks to the influences of glam rock acts like the New York Dolls, shock rock acts like Alice Cooper, Kiss, etc., N.W.O.B.H.M. bands like Tygers of Pan Tang - I think Vince Neil openly states it in a documentary somewhere in TH-cam, visaul influences of Judas Priest and Hanois Rock and influences of punk music like Sex Pistols), with the help of bands like Van Halen who pretty much help kick start things in LA. With the combination of heavy metal, punk and Glam and metal images Motley Crue were, in some essence, responsible for early Glam Heavy Metal bands. I would say that Britney Fox and Cinderella does not sound metal compare to bands like Ratt, Dokken, W.A.S.P., early Pantera, etc, but certainly has the Glam image down which suggests that they lean towards later commercialized so called Glam "Metal".
I would say early Europe where just another F.V.A.S.H.M. (Första Vågen Av Svnsk Heavy Metal or in English,The First Wave of Swedish Heavy Metal which were an era of early 80's Swedish Metal bands influences from N.W.O.B.H.M. You should check' em out they have some pretty awesome bands like Heavy Load and Gotham City). They were the Def Leppard of that era as Europe would soon adopt Glam and A.O.R. sounds which could be heard in The Final Countdown. As for Dokken, they were a band pioneering the First Wave of Glam Metal or early Glam Metal with their L.A. rivals Ratt and Motley Crue in the early 80's
doesn t NWHSHM include Yngwie Malmsteen
Too Fast For Love is amazing. Particularly tracks live Live Wire and Piece of Your Action. Extraordinary how quickly they came out with that album after the New Wave of British Heavy Metal began a year or two three earlier arguably.
How long until Thrash Metal? I enjoy these LOCK HORNS videos but I'm waiting for that one. I'm curious to see what people have to say about that one.
Amazing show!
A few of those don't belong up there, but how does LA Guns, Vinnie Vincent Invasion and Faster Pussycat not get on the list and not even mentioned???? For 2000s band's no Wig Wam or The Poodles?
And I'm not even a fan of this genre.....
VVI was pretty brief, but LA Guns and FP definitely belong on this list, more than Warrant IMO (never liked that band).
how about
Jetboy????? or Great White????
btw: Priya is a very Beautiful Girl in Heavy/Glam Metal Scene and Metal chicks are the best!
Great white .. metal
Not sure about Babylon AD
Great white is a hard rock band
Supremefreak, Vixen ,the female poison... why are they not mentioned?
Great White was a great hard rock band.
Talent is the demarcation line that was drawn in the sand
@@viewer9997 I'd be more apt with describe Great White as a hard rock band,that started as a metal band
I think Cinderella started as kind of a glam band, but evolved (no pun intended) into more of an Aeromsith-type blues rock band post-Long Cold Winter. Their last two albums (Heartbreak Station and Still Climbing) are straight blues rock records. I would say the same for Whitesnake. They started in 78 and were more blues rock. As for the newer bands, Crazy Lixx is like the new school, Swedish Def Leppard. Santa Cruz and Crashdiet very much have that Skid Row/GN'R type grit to them.
refreshing to hear a woman into metal actually know her shit and talk concisely about the history. rare as fuck., not trying to sound sexist just reality. love what you're doing Sam! keep spreading the disease! \m/
+za fool haha i hate nightwish
Except she's into hair band garbage which isn't metal
Tuff, Pretty Boy Floyd( whom I happen to like),Ratt,Vinnie vincent INvasion& Slaughter Please add them .. they're all glam metal bands in the third degree!
Great call on Vinnie Vincent Invasion! Wildly underrated band.
@@JamesThomas-dz4vj Thanks
Mark Slaughter had a screechy voice back then
Is there gonna be a shock rock one ?
I love these live streams
You should have had sub genre of sleaze metal - examples include in the 80’s -Faster Pussycat, Junkyard, Dogs D’amour, Guns and Roses, Rock City Angels, Hanoi Rocks, Smashed Gladys, LA Guns, Skid Row ! etc this was a real sub genre in the 80’s and quite distinct from Glam Metal in a lot of ways wasn’t so much glammed up but low down and gritty might of paved the way for some grunge in at least the image so I think a quite legitimate genre and had its own sound.This would have sorted some of your discrepancies.
Too many subgenres?
GnR on glam list ? Why ?cause axel had teased hair for two minutes?
Cause he's a emotional bitch.
+Chuck Nowakowski Probably because of the melodies and high-pitched singing on a lot of their songs.
+Daniel Maslak well can't argue with that, but they still not a glam band, atleast what I consider a glam.....winger glam, poison glam, not GnR
Chuck Nowakowski dis is slash guns were a glam band bro bro bro!!!!!
Chuck Nowakowski guns n roses are glam plain and simple
Holy fuck Priya Panda is hot as hell!
Regarding GnR: they were an integral part of the LA Sunset Strip glam metal scene, alongside a number of the other bands you discuss. Hair/glam metal is a much broader category than some people give it credit for, with many things that unite the bands (musically, visually, socially, geographically, economically, etc.) but just as many that set them apart from one another. Under the "metal" banner you can find corpse-painted black metallers, abrasive death metal groups, poppy Euro symphonic metal bands fronted by twittering, operatic divas... Glam metal shares that kind of diversity of look and sound.
I think the reason it's so hard to nail down bands into glam is that it's more of a look than a sound. Glam is short for glamerous. That's New York Dolls, Hanoi Rocks, and Poison. The bands on your list are really Hard Rock and if they need to be narrowed down, they can be 80's Hard Rock. The newer bands are simply inspired by them, just like some bands sound like 70's bands. Some bands briefly adopted the look like Motley Crue (Theater of Pain) and Ozzy (Ultimate Sin). I don't consider leather and studs glam since you would have to include bands like Judas Priest then. Also, I'm a big fan of these bands along with Iron Maiden, Metallica, and Anthrax that all made their best albums in the 80's. These days, it's hard to even refer to these bands as Heavy Metal since the term is now being used for even heavier bands like Lamb of God and Sepultura that don't have clear vocals. Hard Rock works for me.
is THAT what glam stood for?
Dokken were not glam, they were Melodic Hard Rock/Metal, the only album that I guess would pass as glam is Under lock and key, but that's mostly attributed to its cover art.
Good point..and can't add album cover artwork to the sub genre...
Berman, could Dokken be one of the precursor bands for Power Metal?
@@viewer9997 the troll is back
Andreia Reminiec question no they are definitely not metal
Emran's Movie Madhouse
Agree.
"Blackened Glam" Hahaha this needs to be a thing
Cradle of Filth
Celtic Frost - Cold Lake album
Nah, just because Celtic Frost's primary style has been black metal (of a more first wave variety) doesn't mean Cold Lake was. That album is pretty much thrashy glam metal, no more.
And it sucks balls.
+The Abyssal Archivist Yeah it sucks bad, but it has a much darker sound than regular glam.
Yet nothing even close to black metal.
And for the record my own description of "blackened glam" as CoF was a joke too.
I just started watching this episode and the bands up on the board need to be updated. Bands to be removed from the list are Bon Jovi (hard rock) Europe(pop/hard rock)Quite Riot(always included due to debuting at #1,metal health,Slade covers). There is a couple other ones but who should be included in the group?
Good episode, but how can you not add Vixen!?? They broke the stereotype for women in metal..
Priya,you've got one hell of a voice ! Love it!
In the '80s, Jesus had the most epic big hair ever in all of heaven, thanks to Stryper.
+Paul Leach - and then Deliverance and Vengeance Rising changed everything . . .
And on the 7th day, Jesus headbanged aggressively \m/.
Poor comments must say
Yeah and stryper is a heavy metal band. Not glam.
@@metalmaniac7772 Tell that to their makeup artists.
@@Nightbreed82 Agreed. Stryper is as glam as any of these bands (with a different subject matter, of course).
Love how you guys differentiate some of the earlier glam bands that had the look, but still kind of had the NWOBHM sound from the later glam bands that had the “glam sound”. Important distinction
The band that started Glam Metal was The Sweet. Check The Sweet - Set me Free (1974)
Little Willy may put Sweet as a precursor for Glam Metal...later they became more of a metal band
Dokken has traces of Glam but idk if I can place them in Glam Metal. They're too talented and interesting.
Jordan Hageman They also stayed true to form and never really watered down
I have a question for you
What other subgenre of metal do you think that Dokken could fit into ?
@Metal Enthusiast would you include Breaking the chains, It ain't love & Into the fire to that list?
They’re more traditional heavy metal, they don’t sound a glam popish like say Poison and Ratt. They did come from the LA sunset scene but they’re music was classic heavy metal.
ray kreger okay chill you’re not mad though right? Did I say anything offensive? Plus read the rest of the comments on this vid. People say that Dokken are metal as well, a majority of them. Don Dokken has even said himself the band had a metal vibe back in the day so there u have it “mr know it all” Everybody has their own opinion or view of things chill. Don’t start with your metal elitists horseshit
Great Whitesnake shirt.
There's a mention of the glam metal sound/style getting watered down, and yes, we ended up with some really light, fluffy bands marketed as metal (and marketing and MTV played a huge role in defining the look and sound of these bands and uniting what may or not have otherwise been united), but by the turn of the 90's you also ended up with bands like Skid Row and the thrash metal-tinged Spread Eagle.
I love Spread Eagle. Skid Row, Slik Toxik, Sven Gali from the 90's but I do too with all those glam-blues rock based like Tangier, Tora Tora, Cry of Love, Quireboys, etc, the glam spectre was massive.
Blame the record companies wanting the bands to repeat their earlier success
Awesome. Thank you, Sam. Hail Banger TV.
Sam was so turned on that he lost his voice.
I love dee snider's self effacing humor...
he said that back then he"looked like Mae west on acid ".
There is no mention of Def Leppard. There are part of the Glam Metal genre. Yes, they were part of the New Wave of British Heavy Metal movement.
Def Leppard started out as a metal band then they whored themselves out and became a pop rock band.
NWOBHM is metal and they started in that grouping (2 albums) + their name, logo, everything screamed metal. Then they went pop rock. I don't care because they suck after all.
Sure they are no longer metal, and what do you expect for someone who sold out to say? There are many melodic metal bands who didn't sold out and who are happy to be called metal.
I observed that only those people are against the metal label who either:
1. think there was no 1st wave of metal in the early 70s (Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, (early) Led Zep, Uriah Heep, Lucifer, (some) Rush, Lord Baltimore, Budgie, Judas Priest, etc.
2. mistakenly equate metal with extreme metal (typically youngsters)
3. punk rock fans who hate metal and could not recognize a properly tuned guitar if it would hit them on the head
4. people with very bad taste in music trying to justify themselves for liking some metal in front of their peers who hate metal
Yes they were, only what people call metal changed.
For me glam metal was the gate way to the harder kinds of metal and the Pioneers of metal
The "attitude" that's mentioned here is that of Rock 'n' Roll in general. Glam Metal is very specific and the look is a major part of it. Also, many of these bands are Glam Rock or not Glam at all. I'd say the band that deserves the title "Glam Metal" the most is Motley Crue because they had the look and also a very metallic sound.
'Scott Ian who's never short on opinions' ... do you get it? 'Cause he's short :p
Priya,honey.. Whitesnake released the original version of "Here I go again" back in 1982..
two years before glam metal hit
Yet Too Fast For Love came out in 81.
Glam metal is the look . These bands played mostly hard rock. I would put Poison in the pop category.
Def Leppard still had NWOBHM songs that got to Iron Maiden levels of heaviness. I say keep them.
+WickedKnightAlbel Sorry man, but I see Leppard as much more Sweet and Slade than Maiden or Diamond Head.... I have heard an interview with Joe Elliot where he says they were always more Duran Duran than Metal.... jus sayin.
I'll just have to cite "It Could Be You," "Wasted" and "Rocks Off" from _On Through the Night_ (1980) and "No No No" and "Let It Go" from _High 'N' Dry_. (1981)
I like to think they just distanced themselves from metal because of its commercial unpopularity. It's a shitty thing to do, but it's irrevocably their origins.
+MetalheadYA They also produced a patch early on that read "heavy metal rules". They purposely distanced themselves from HM to reach a wider audience. All the work of Q Prime Management. Look at Metallica during the 90s, similar thing, only they leaned towards alt rock rather than Lep's 80's pop rock style.
WickedKnightAlbel to me they’re more a Hard/Arena rock band, not as metal as Priest and Maiden nor like Mötley Crüe at least. Whitesnake is like Def Leppard as well.
Def Leppard is on the NWOBHM chart... their first three lps were NWOBHM.
Enuff Z' Nuff is the best glam metal band! The sound, the look and great albums. Strength is the apex of hair metal!
Enuff Z'Nuff were a Beatlesque power pop band whose label Atco dolled them up so heavily to cash in on the glam metal craze. Heck, the band (especially vocalist Donnie Vie) claimed they would've sustained their success and popularity if they were promoted as a power pop act like The Smithereens were at the time.
Did you guys know that Enuff z Nuff is from Evanston,Il ?
Omg, Priya, is that a tattoo of Stormer from Jem and the Holograms on your arm? Outrageous! :D
Most of the bands that are classified "Glam Metal" are more "Glam Rock". Bon Jovi, Warrant, and Winger had the look of glam but the metal wasn't really in their music. They are Glam Rock. Twisted Sister, Motley Crue, and Ratt are Glam Metal. They had the look and the metal in their music!
Priya! She's awesome. Love her!
Love this series. Good stuff. Just recently discovered Diemonds as well.
Cheers
Frank/Channel33RPM
Motley Crue's first album was very punk-inspired; Slayer was also punk-inspired, so too Metallica.
By the way: there are 2 Diamonds on Spotify-which one is Priya's?
Awesome Series been following you for years, Keep it up! \m/
Should've added BloodBath
bloodbath is death metal not glam metal
bloodbath is death metal not glam metal
+ollie ray Sarcasm my friend, sarcasm. 😄
Brandon Geiger yep I'm a smart metalhead
+Brandon Geiger - EXACTLY!
And Meshuggah for their . . . um . . . never mind :/.
This guy is so insulting to this lady. Talking over her insulting her music. I love harder stuff but dokken and ratt van halen are awesome. He's clearly uncomfortable around a beautiful woman.
I think there were 3 stages in the 80s. Glam, Hair, and Sleaze.
It is hard to pinpoint exactly. As some bands were mixing sounds.
Some bands had huge blues influence, others punk and NWOBHM influences.
There is something I need to say first. Glam gets a lot of hate these days but imagine living in the very conservative 70s and early 80s. A lot of long-haired people were being bullied for having long hair and probably even today Metalheads hear they look like women. So I think looking like a woman literally was very rebellious, in your face in the 70s and then the 80s. It pissed a lot of Rednecks and conservatives off, and metalheads today look at it with no context.
Glam is the early stuff like Van Halen, Motley Crue, Quiet Riot, Dokken, and Ratt. 78 - 83.
Hair Metal is the Bon Jovi, Warrant, Poison, Europe, Winger(they had the sound but not the look, The look was the late 80s),and Cinderella in 84-87. At this point a lot of bands were going with softer voices, adding synths, and generally adding POP style into songwriting and sound. They were trying to capture the bigger AOR crowd.
But then Motley Crue had the look but not the sound, except 2 or 3 ballads.
At the time of hair metal, I suspect labels were just throwing money left and right to get the next big hair band.
Even Celtic Frost and Judas priest were hair metal for a little bit. Iron Maiden was a little in that direction as well. Ozzy Osbourne went full hair.
A lot of NWOBHM went Glam at the time actually, and if some bands did not adopt the look, had the sound in some of the songs. Warrant was a thrash metal band that released 2 albums and when Hair metal as they lived for 5 dollars per week.
Then a lot of bands made some money from the labels but I suspect for money bands, the Hair albums backfired. So the next stage was a natural transition.
GnR and Skid Row started Sleaze Metal, which still had the sound, but more blues/rock n roll vibe, and was toning down on the hair, and less pop sound. 87-92.
This label is also for all the GnR wannabees in the late 80s/early 90s. Some bands still had the Hair Image and the sleaze sound or the sleaze Image and the hair sound. It is hard to put deterministic borders.
The above is based on research I did in the 2000s :)
Ozzy was actually one of the early initiators of glam metal when he began adding heavier and glittery makeup to his look, but of course his lyrical themes and style were hardly 'glam.'
This music's a guilty pleasure of mine and can be a lot of fun and energetic. Steel Panther shows are some of the funnest. Pantera's Power Metal may be one of my favorite album's by them.
I thought Def Leppard would of been mentioned for sure.
she sooooo fine! But glam in a few words is rock n roll with an emphasis on look and image!! \m/
KIx is the opposite of glam metal !
I've always thought of Kix as the amereican Ac/dc
Priya, Aerosmith also was a precursor of Trad Metal as well...
My favorite Northern European Glam Metal band ,Stage Dolls... mmmm. Give me Thorsten ( their guitarist & frontman ) back in the day
great channel Sam! keep up the great work I've been following since headbangers journey
Priya is super sexy not only that but she seems smart and loves 80s metal😍😍😍
I absolutely LOATHE "Black Veil Brides". SUCH shit!
Van Halen is to glam (hair) Metal what RATM is to rap Metal. Innovators.
Dokken is too good for this list.
Golhotha, could Dokken be one of the precursor bands for Power Metal?
@Captain Sternn I had whatever album “Blind in TX” was on at the time and didn’t like it at all. But my tolerance has softened considerably since then.
I’ll check it out!
Have you heard “Minniva’s” cover of “Wild Child”? It’s one of those TH-cam covers but actually really good, imho.
@Captain Sternn That's good to know.
Thanks!
Black veil brides second album set the world on fire definitely had a great glam element. One of my favorite all time bands.
Have to agree Black veil brides definitely kick ass modern 80s style metal band
I don't get how you leave X Japan out of the list. they are the biggest ambassadors of Visual Kei, which is basically the glam metal of Japan. Unlike most of those bands they really play metal (not hard or soft rock)....
I feel like Gnr was Glam, but lost it really fast.
Axl had some seriously teased hair in that first video.
I heard Alice In Chains started as glam as well.
Where is the la guns????
Yes Jon Bongovi of Bon Jovi was married to the same woman throughout his career however so was Dee Snider of Twisted Sister. But yes the early Bon Jovi releases were metal, but they ended up following a Springsteen like sound later on (IMO). Also glad you mentioned Tigertailz (RIP Pepsi). Mötley Crüe tended to reinvent themselves each release.
Yeah, but what do you really think Scott Ian?
I love glam metal as much as any other metal genre. To me it's more rebellious to dress like a chick than just wear black or denim and leather. So realistically I think it takes more courage to go the eyeliner/spandex route as opposed to the t-shirt /jeans route. So in that respect I consider the glam bands more ballsy than bands like Metallica and Megadeth which just looked like generic rockers. While in my opinion bands like Bon Jovi and Great White had no business calling themselves metal given they were so commerical, Motley Crue, WASP, Poison, Ratt and Warrant had plenty of material to be considered metal. I'd refer a skeptic to songs like "Live Wire", "Animal (Fuck Like a Beast)", "Look What the Cat Dragged In", "You Think You're Tough" and "Uncle Tom's Cabin". Kix for example I think doesn't get the credit they deserve. They to me are like an American AC/DC.
Great White is a great metal/ hard rock
Warrant & Poison are Metal?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
She is so fine
I'm watching all of these series and they are great, but wasn't his genre referred to as Hair Metal? I mean I agree with all the groupings and names I've seen on the other episodes
Not included: Badlands, Bang Tango, Kix, Bonham, Britny Fox, Bullet boys, Damn Yankees, Dangerous Toys, Enuff Z'Nuff, Giuffria, Tesla, Great White, Def Leopard, L.A. Guns, Night Ranger, D.A.D, White Lion, Saigon Kick, Autograph, Honeymoon Suite, Skid Row, Slaughter, Steelheart, Twisted Sister, Vixen, Zebra
sorry i have to agree with scott ian "poisons not metal there rock "
Poison isn't even heavy
@@metalmaniac7772 So you honestly think the riff in 'Look What the Cat Dragged In' could be confused with 'Tarzan Boy' by Baltamora, or 'Obsession' by Anamotion?
There needs to be a show dedicated to alternative metal, both for defining what it is and how it contributes to metal history post-80's. The awkward labeling of hard alternative is used by literally no one, and I think personally it encapsulates a lot more bands than what he has listed. For origins, Faith No More, Rage, and Primus are gods. Given how limiting a subgenre nu metal is (or was since nu metal is pretty much dead), I would combine all those nu metal bands with the hard alternative bands. For the new genre, include Incubus, Helmet, Chevelle, 10 Years, Alter Bridge, Breaking Benjamin, Drowning Pool, Filter, Lacuna Coil, Mudvayne, Stone Sour, and Sevendust. And get rid of Chili Peppers and Smashing Pumpkins. Tool should go here, but you got them in prog and I'm cool with that, so definitely A Perfect Circle should go here. You should get Chino from Deftones to co-host!
+Alex Esau Totally agree. Nu Metal is kind of a blur in what it actually is. People have said that rap metal and nu metal are different genres. There is also nu metal bands that don't even rap at all. Wtf is nu metal? I think the term "Alternative Metal" would umbrella all the bands you mentioned plus the nu metal and rap metal variety. If they could get chino to talk on an alternative metal episode, that would be crazy.
For me, the only reason this scene is about a look are the labels people choose to use for the scene; glam, hair, etc, as well as what the record companies forced on many of these bands to fit in. For me, it's hook laden songs with heavy guitars and great solos. Of course, as a guitar player, I tend to fixate on that part lol. As a result, I also tend to like the bands that have more of an edge unless the guitar playing truly overwhelms.
"White Lion" "Faster Pussycat" "Britney Fox" "Vixen" "Slaughter" not on the list? Why??? Also,
Skid Row should not be listed.
Britny fox was from the same city as Cinderella.. Philly!
All of the bands from the east side if the Mississippi river are straight up metal bands
Britny Fox whad only one song about girls... Cinderella helped them get signed
Van halen, Bon jovi, and guns n roses are more hard rock.
Ethan Work guns n roses glam plain and simple
Van Halen=Heavy Metal.
@@viewer9997 guns n roses isn't metal at all
Rock and Roll not hard rock. I think of more a long the lines of Disturbed, Godsmack and Sevendust as hard rock.
@@metalmaniac7772 guns n roses is glam metal. It's still metal
This girl reminds me of Scarlett Johansson. Great episode.
shes Indian, going by her name
...but hotter, cause HOT non-white girls are the greatest thing ever made. but srsly I get what you mean cause of the eyes and her cheeks look like hers plus the height and nice looking full chest.
@@Grimeyhoob priya could be Iranian
Scarlett Johanson is a blonde
@@KateryReminiec9399 She's definitely Indian
It is definitely a look/sound combo! It was also referred to as pop-metal or the less accurate "hair metal"! The term hair metal has bands such as Megadeth lumped in with Motely Crue!
I was always a speed metal freak but I always liked twisted sister I was a big twisted sister fan. I went and seen Alice Cooper on the raise your fist and yell tour. That turned me onto faster pussycat. Couple of other bands that had gone on your I was turned onto. My very first concert was Ozzy bark at the moon tour. Who had motley Crue shout at the devil so I had gotten into early motley and Ratt and another band that could be considered glam. Loudness. but then later on I started getting into the heavier stuff when kill em all when that came out. Then after high school in 87 I started into obituary and Sepultra and so I started into my heaviness then Pantera and the Milwaukee metal fest in 94 then 97 I've been hardcore and hardcore/porno death example gorgasm. But I love all genres of metal. I love diemonds in in love with Priya. She is so awesome
I allways considered Guns N' Roses to be Hard Rock and even borderline classic Heavy Metal. Ditto Quiet Riot
Darth SnewSnew nope definitely heavy metal
@@viewer9997 guns n roses isn't metal in the least
Welcome to the Jungle is definitely a metal song. Or are they smooth jazz to you metal elitists?
@@menllenium5150 don't listen to 777. They think they know what REAL metal is. Just them.
WASP on the glam list ???? Joke of the Year !!!! WASP was Metal they were closer to Iron Maiden or Judas Priest or Queensryche in terms of Heaviness and Intensity
Fuck yes totally
Watch some of their videos and tell me they're not in this genre. Maiden and Priest both conformed to this genre in the mid-late 80s as well. Once again, the problem here is the title of the genre. Glam (or hair) are terms largely used for the genre in a derogatory manner, and as a result are poor choices IMO. Maybe it should just be called 80's Hard Rock.
Have you SEEN the way they look??? Big hair, makeup, elaborate costumes? Songs about sex and partying??
@@machupikachu1085 Forget the looks. WASP is an exception because of their overall sound besides not all their songs were about Sex and Partying, I mean listen to Headless Children or even Crimson Idol for that matter.
@@sonusworld5357 True. But WASP's first 3 albums (plus LinR) are glam AF. They made a conscious decision in '88 to change their image and branding. So did Poison by Flesh and Blood, (and pretty much ALL glam bands by that point) but are still considered glam. See the disconnect?
that one poster is wrong about Both starz and Angel..
Starz was a hard rock band in the 70s & Angel was more of a metal band..( unless if you're speaking of either Guiffria or house of lords..then I'd agree with you)
I owned Lps by both bands ,back in the day
What happened to the South Side of Chicago reference?
D'molls
D'Molls had some really great songs ,the looks &Attitude.