To be fair, both Dismember and Grave, while they emerged at the same time as Entombed/Nihilist, have the disadvantage of releasing their debut albums after 'Left Hand Path'. That album is the pinnacle of old school Swedish Death Metal. It set the standard for that entire subgenre. Back in those days the debut albums of Dismember, Grave and even Unleashed, while still considered good to great albums, were regarded as lesser attempts compared to Entombed.
Hey Bangers, a few more words of clarification on why the 1990s records were included in this show. We never called this an OSDM episode. We knew that we needed to split up the Death Metal Albums debate, because our Death Metal Band debate was so wide-ranging, and lots of great music was left out. We went back and forth about what "early" might mean, and found there was no specific cut off point that we could stand behind. 1991? 1993? Everyone would just argue about that. So we decided to make this 1980s and all the 1990s (knowing that this would be mostly early 1990s records.) And that a follow-up would go from 2000s onwards. Many of you are mad that mid-1990s records would be consider "early." But considering they are now around 20 years old, we think that qualifies in the bigger picture. Also, we announced this from the start, in every post, and throughout the show. So don't get mad at Blayne for picking a record from 1995 like he was clueless or trying to pull a fast one! The 1990s was always going to be part of the discussion. Hope that helps clear things up from our end.
Mid 90's was not early for the genre tho, there was a clear shift in the mid 90's DM scene with many bands either splitting up or beginning to release sub par albums, it was the end of the golden period.
Well the end result was more 80s than 90s so dunno why ppl are getting all pissy. Morbid Visions replaced Slaughter Of The Soul. Who cares if one guy votes for At The Gates? As he explained, it's just his opinion & it got overturned.
Why no mention of Bathory? I mean in 1983 was there really anyone doing what they did? It was really the 1st Death metal album. That really should have been the starting point, wasn't a fan of them, I'm a Chuck guy, but let's give credit where credit is due.
Now, I know they are NOT death metal, but how does slayer not get mentioned here as the biggest influence in the early years of the entire metal genre as a catalyst. I mean the riffs, solos and drums are there.
I dont mean to be off topic but does any of you know a trick to log back into an instagram account..? I was stupid lost the password. I love any tricks you can give me.
Growing up near Tampa in the late 80/very early 90’s, that was my introduction into extreme metal. Didn’t know what to make of it at first, but quickly loved it. Alongside all the awesome bands from here, or ones that relocated here, to have that awesome Morrisound feel.
Couldn't agree more, it's among my top five death metal records of all time -- it just obliterates! A lot of metalheads just love jumping on the 'hate Deicide bandwagon' either because of the band's commercial success or due to Glen Benton's persona and great sense of humour.
Here's my list (it's quite "floaty" but it doesn't vary that much) Bolt Thrower: Realm Of Chaos Carcass: Necroticism Entombed: Clandestine Death: Leprosy Napalm Death: Harmony Corruption (no, it isn't a Grind Core album... it's 100% DM - the only in their catalogue but DM nonetheless) Sepultura: Arise (DM with sparkles of thrash but pivotal nonetheless) Cynic: Focus At The Gates: Slaughter Of The Soul Obituary: Cause Of Death Morbid Angel: Blessed Are The Sick
Hey I'm Blayne! To explain a little of the confusion that happened, the original plan was for early to be 80's and 90's because a clear break is hard to find, that's when I chose At the Gates. Whether you love'em or hate'em, they had a big influence on metal. By the way things shook out at the end they looked REALLY out of place and I took 'em down. A LOT of what we went on was from the live chat and comments on FB, so if you don't like it, get in the mix and change it! My revised pick would have been Bolt Thrower - Realm of Chaos. Blood for the Blood God! Skulls for the Skull Throne!
MetalComedy I think limiting it to 10 was what caused alot of confusing but also it should have been from the mid 80s to early 90s. I think it's fair to say that at this stage there is early, middle and modern eras of death metal... Also not including Cannibal Corpse for any reason is just ignorant. It's like not including Burzum in a list of essential black metal bands/albums.
You did great. Don't worry about the haters. Just because Slaughter of the Soul spawned its own subgenre doesn't mean it wasn't a death metal album when it came out.
Yeah I think you made a slight mistake when choosing At The Gates - Slaughter Of The Soul for a guest choice. No question how good (screw you haters) and influental that album was but the genre was just wrong for a list called "Early Death Metal". When people speak of Early DM or "OSDM" people think of Death, Possessed, Pestilence, Morbid Angel and the likes, not Slaugher Of The Soul. Bolt Thrower would have been a spot on pick which no-one would have argued against, except maybe have a penis strething contest on what is their favourite BT album. But when the Melodeath Essentials happen you'll get your revenge. :)
Lord Mark agree with you 100%. Unless you were born in the 90’s, why would you call “Slaughter of the soul” oldschool? Not even their early albums were “oldschool” AT ALL
Joel Morales and NinjaDragon STFU u tard asses. Old school metal? Are u fucking kidding me? Get outta here with that poser mentality shit. U 2 douches were probably not around when At The Fuckin Gates released Gardens of Grief and Red in the Sky is Ours. Early to mid 90's is pretty old now if u ask me. Slaughter Of the Soul is 24 fuckin years old now. Probably older than u 2 peanuts. I was born in 82 so the bands from the 80's to mid to late 90's are considered old now. So stop living like your stuck in time.
Possessed did "ignite", I was there..we were ready to jump ship from thrash bands and craved their dark, fast, and heavy sound..the division had begun. Ross Dolan of Immolation told me in 1995 that seven churches by Possessed was his favorite album.... Not bad from the band that I believe now carries the death metal torch the highest. Possessed seven churches had awesome riffs with maniacally driven repeating single note harmonies. Vocals were both raspy and powerful ( not the subdued Cookie Monster cookie cutter garbage that limits the forcefulness of the sound) not only that, Jeff Becera had a range of rasp that highlighted the lyrics and is something the genre needs.
Good job mentioning the very BEST of Florida death metal: Morbid Angel, Death, and Obituary. There were others, but these three were absolutely the best.
Hekate's Flame They were only in Buffalo for a short while then permanently moved to Tampa Bay. And as for who’s better to each their own. I like their instrumentals and vocals so much better.
Eaten Back to Life should be up there Cannibal made death metal what it is today. giving credit to Chuck for starting the genre. Skull full of Maggots generated the sound that different from thrash. Bands like NIle and Immolation get their sound from cannibal also Chris and George both made the typical vocals of Death metal
This would have for sure been my pick over Heartwork. Heartwork is an amazing album, with the not just the melodies but also the shift away from horror topics to more personal lyrical themes having a huge influence on later death metal. But Necroticism was their first album to make the break from goregrind into death metal, and it's really THE FIRST melodic death metal album. The solos are instantly hummable, and the grooves are just fucking massive! If you don't go nuts for Incarnate Solvent Abuse and Corporeal Jigsore Quandary, then something is fucking wrong with you!
Whilst its considered Thrash, I consider Slayer's Reign in Blood to be a contender. The lyrical content alone should qualify it. It doesn't have to be guttural vocals alone. Surely Reign in Blood was at least a big influence no?
This ^^^. Love to hear people fight over death albums. It's either scream bloody gore/leprosy/spiritual healing fans, human/ITP fans or symbolic/sound of perseverance fans. I'd have to pick between human or symbolic, how about you?
Why? choose the 5 best album from a band that did 7 albums? I love Death but I don't understand the point of doing a lock horns on them (felt the same about Mastadon even though I have been a fan for years)
Mortification's Scrolls of the Meggiloth is an extremely underrated classic. It's brutal and in your face, production is great, riffs are fantastic, vocals are monstrous, and just generally kicks major ass. They get overlooked or straight up ignored because they're Christian, but few records from that time period did the crushing, grind influenced death metal of the early 90's better.
The Bleeding by CC is widely considered one of their best and most essential records, that should have been a no brainer. They unfortunately get a lot of hate because death metal is full of elitists who jump on the bandwagon of hipster-esque thinking (oh they're popular or mainstream, I can't like them now). Cannibal Corpse is not a joke, they're just campy and it's what makes their music fun to listen to, much like a good b-horror movie. Taking it too seriously will taint your opinion on them for sure, it's unfortunate they get hate because they are super consistent, technical, catchy, and brutal all at the same time.
I was thinking maybe "Necroticism" for this list. You're right about "None So Vile". Tremendous album that doesn't belong here. "Tomb Of The Mutilated" is a stone cold classic.
My only complaint about this album has always been that the songs were too short. I agree it feels a little out of place here. I think the limit should have been up to 1995 or even 1994. The genre matured and gave way to a lot of sub-genres pretty quickly.
Effigy of the Forgotten was hugely influential for tech and BDM, not to mention it was the first album to utilize slam riffs. Also say what you want about cannibal, they're also hugely influential vocally and lyrically.
I totally agree that effigy should have made the list, oh well. I can't agree with the erosion of sanity, despite it being one of my favorite death metal albums ever. Even though it kicks fucking ass, it's a suffocation clone at the end of the day(does suffocation better than suffocation). It didn't influence anyone because no one gave a shit about it when it came out, kind of was condemned to obscurity ;)
@Macrocrash11Dude do you even know the significance & influence of that record? It paved the way for the slam death metal we know today. Also Lord Worm on that record created the benchmark for slam & BDM vocals.
33:30 actually, Slowly We Rot was written in E standard tuning, which I think it shows that Obituary is that much better because they were able to be that heavy in standard tuning
Death - Leprosy, Morbid Angel - Altars Of Madness, Obituary - Slowly We Rot, Cannibal Corpse - Eaten Back To Life, Entombed - Left Hand Path were the essential blue prints of early Death Metal from the late 80's.
No Immolation? No Gorguts? I would have also mentioned Demilich and Timeghoul for creating a complete different spin on death metal and they were for sure essential and early. Oh well.
DEICIDE essential - nothing sounded like their first album (despite what they did afterwards) Other essential bands ....Death, Obituary, Morbid Angel, Pestilence + no german bands ? Morgoth and Atrocity?!?
Cannibal Corpse? "Edgy gore for the sake of it?" DA FUQ IZ RAWNG WIT DAT?!!! Death metal is fun! Let them be fun! Even some of the earlier death metal bands sounded more like thrash with "death metal techniques," but Cannibal Corpse, even now, sounds like they are trying to stay brutal without transitioning too far into melodic or tech death, both of which I do enjoy. Not my number one death metal band in general, personally, but one that always sticks around with me. And yeah, Suffocation and Dying Fetus (unless DF is in the tech death video).
Exactly, The Ten Commandments was an instant classic when it came out and helped define the Florida style. Also Brutality would have deserved a mention.
Blayne says Altars of Madness is one of the few albums from that time that actual sounds good production wise.. WHAT?? Are you on crack dude? Tons of those early albums sound AWESOME
Lance SkulKrusher music is a subjective experience dude, there’s no right or wrong, it’s all opinions. What sounds good production to him sounds bad to you sound ok to me etc etc
@@gobuns2 yes, I really think so, because honestly to me, even though there's an obvious difference in the production in all these albums, I still think the album's sounds as good as it is
@@gobuns2 i think the shitty production helps tho it makes it sound more brutal than the other death albums imo and the screams are the best on that album as wel
Syklone False. The important albums are the ones that have made the most impact. That’s not the same as favorite. Some albums are more important than others.
@@Syklonus No. Important albums are the ones that inspired people to make music / influenced styles of other bands / shaped new genres. That's totally objective.
Both bands are pinnacles of death metal of the era. Celtic Frost, I have just gotten into. I think they influenced many as well. Great video, as usual, Banger. :)
I'm just getting into extreme metal, it's an awesome journey discovering (new to me) artists. I'm kicking myself for not being into or aware of this kind of music back in the mid/late 90's when I used to work in a music store.
Decide is my favorite band but Legion is the essential album. Glen Benton's vocals are not fully evolved but it is closer to what it sounds like today. Riffs galore crushing and brutal. Scott Burn's masterpiece. The bass isn't overwhelming but is audible. Legion is essential.
@ Tj Caruthers Gonna have to disagree with you about Legion.First off the bass was overwhelmingly horrible on Legion.Secondly Benton's vocals have never matched the levels he achieved on their first album.Thirdly they have never come close to the overall savagery of their first album.I think after their first album they lost their sound and have never found it.
@@jeremyboehm5512 there is something that we called creativity and inovative progression to avoid boredom of doing the same thing all over again in your intire life ok,... And human needs is always be evolving and changing through their never ending satisfaction to their early achievement.. For me their albums even get better and better sounds arrangement and compositions..
Atheist 'Unquestionable presence' (1991) is another essential early death metal album. It had a big influence on the prog death subgenre, and more importantly, still kicks ass. Also, Napalm Death were very important in europe in their transition to death metal, with Harmony corruption, and Utopia banished.
Slaughter Of The Soul is great and is for sure Death Metal (may have influenced Melodic Death for sure), but it is not an EARLY Death Metal album. The title should have been "Essential 80's and 90's Death Metal albums"
I guess in the grand scope of death metal (let's say starting in '85, to be generous, to 2017), Slaughter of the Souls is *relatively* early. I do agree it's a kind of a stretch though.
Slaughter of the Soul, along with None so Vile, are essential to a "second round" of death metal, as the style really started spreading its wings around 1994/1995 and expanding.
***** not saying it is a GREAT album. I like it but it is weak for the melo death style IMO, but there is no denying how influential that album was on later bands. Dark Tranquility and In Flames had much stronger albums at the time, just SOTS gets the nod by many.
Vader - De Profundis should be on this list, that record is as classic as it gets, also has the best production of any death metal record I have ever heard.
wow I am pretty hurt that Cannibal Corpse was taken off the list. I assume it was mostly for not being able to get it down to one album, which is understandable since they have lots of them. so that said cannibal corpse deserves their own episode. the BIGGEST band in death metal, arguably the best live, shit man.
They have a huge discography and a debate about Barnes/corpsegrinder preference would be interesting, myself being a corpsegrinder enthusiast. I look forward to it guys!!! Love the channel!!!!
This is such a great idea! I like hearing metalheads discuss what they think about all the classic albums in each subgenre. It's cool to hear all the different perspectives.
Possessed should've been put at the top of the board as proto-Death Metal. Switching Suffocation with Cryptopsy? That's BS, Suffocation have been far more influential, even creating a whole subgenre (Technical Brutal Death Metal).
I personally really love the production of those early death metal records. Really raw and honest, big sounding drums, plenty of that old school reverb, unique and gritty guitar tones and vocals. I feel like death metal has gotten a bit too cleaned up today for my liking. But hey, that's just me
Derek Albert Agreed good but essential not so much. Being more known for grindcore is the main reason why their most death metal album wouldn't be added. But in my opinion it is their best album.
I agree 100% They both influenced each other. In many ways, they created each other. Without E.N.T., Repulsion and Terrorizor, you wouldn't have Morbid Angel and Death. Everyone forgets that Matt Olivo and Scott Carlson of Repulsion played in Death with Chuch Schuldiner. And Tony Norman of Morbid angel played in Terrorizer.
My top 10 early death metal album 1. At The Gates - Slaugther of The Souls 2. Pestilence - Consuming Impulse 3. Dismember- Like An Everflowing Stream 4. DEATH - Leposy 5. Entombed - Left Hand Path 6. DEATH - Scream, Bloody Gore 7. Massacre - From Beyond 8. Grave - Into The Grave 9. Sepultura - Chaos A.D 10. carcarss - necrotisism
I just want your opinion on why you think Like an Everflowing Stream is more essential than Left Hand Path since the former was inspired by or appeared after the latter and also Dismember, to me, always sounded like a clone of Entombed
There is a reason why Obituary's 3rd album was titled The End Complete. If you don't know and you haven't listened to it. It is the greatest death metal album ever written recorded and produced. Production is absolutely stellar packaging might be the best looking death metal cover ever you can stare at it for 20 years and still find stuff in that picture. Every single track is perfection in the true style that death metal was supposed to be before it went off the extreme cliff. Give it a relisten you'll understand. The End Complete...meaning no more shall come after.
It would be awesome to have a blend of the two eras. The cleanliness and clarity of todays recordings with the rawness and realness of the early 90's. I know that doesn't make perfect sense but it does in my head.
I would definitely put the Unleashed debut Where No Life Dwells instead of Sepultura and Cryptopsy. Released in 1991, that album made a huge impact on death metal, and paved the way for new bands especially in Europe. Also the song Before Creation Of Time was the first metal hit that came from the death metal genre.
My top ten would be something like this although some people might argue the genre of some of them I guess. Death - scream bloody gore Possessed - seven churches Bolt thrower - realm of chaos Morbid angel - altars of madness Pestilence - consuming impulse Incubus - serpent temptation Autopsy - severed survival Necrophagia - season of the dead Carcass - symphonies of sickness Obituary - slowly we rot
Hey loved this show, it was exactly what I was hoping you'd do this week. Just a quick suggestion: in the future when you do more essential albums or any lockhorns I would suggest not putting the graphic where you see the final list in the intro. Seeing the list right away for the archived version completely gives away what will end up on the list! Hearing the arguments and debates is still fun, but it's just a little spoilery. Keep up the great work!
Dismember - Like an Ever Flowing Stream from 1991 should have been on the list. An alternative 10 essential albums: Death - Symbolic Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness Atheist - Unquestional Presence Edge of Sanity - Crimson Gorguts - Obscura Dismember - Lik an Ever Flowing Stream Autopsy - Mental Funeral Cryptopsy - None So Vile Carcass - Necrotism Entombed - Left Hand Path
Late to the game, but having heard Seven Churches multiple times to try and comprehend the influence,, I don't know why this album is considered in this conversation, yet Slayer's Hell Awaits is not. From my perception, they both have similar influence, yet I think Possessed has the 'benefit' of this being their only important release for such a long time. Slayer carved their own path, but that shouldn't detract from where they were in '85 and, ultimately, in my opinion'' their influence towards what Death Metal would be is equally apt.
Firstly love the show guys. Entombed-"Left Hand Path", Carcass-" Necroticism...", Obituary-" Cause of Death", Morbid Angel-" Covenant ", At The Gates-" Terminal Spirit Disease". X.
MALEVOLENT CREATION'S 1ST or 2nd album!!! Debut/1st album challenge, 5 entries: Entombed vs Hypocrisy Sentenced vs Edge of Sanity Unleashed vs Therion Dismember vs Sinister Desultory vs Seance. Leave comment, reply, opinion, etc. Possessed is THE shit!!! The 1st!!! Venom on Bay Area is a great description!!! The are the MC5 of Death Metal....originals!!! GREAT SHOW!! Especially for us that bought all of these albums when they came out...esp Venom's BLACK METAL...got it 10 minutes after the store owner took out of his deliveries...w/Bloodlust on it!!!!!!!
Okay, so, Cannibal Corpse, we heard all the arguments for and against by now. Let's try something different by putting it to the vote. Question: should Cannibal Corpse be on the essential early death metal list? - Yes, with Tomb of the Mutilated - Yes, with The Bleeding - Yes, with another album - No, not at all Vote by replying to this comment! *EDIT* Results up until now: - Yes, with Tomb of the Mutilated: 1 - Yes, with The Bleeding: 2 - Yes, with another album: 0 - No, not at all: 0
Just going to say this about Cannibal Corpse: I suspect most of the CC critics aren't musicians. Not all, but most. If you're a guitarist and/or composer, there's no way you think CC is bad death metal. They've got some of the most brilliant death metal riffs around, if you genuinely grasp what it is they're actually doing.
Damn! I never knew so many people hated Cannibal Corpse! I want to add that I'm not a huge Death Metal fan but after watching this show I might reconsider and dig deeper in the genre.
Personal preferences aside, I'd take out Cryptopsy and add Tomb Of The Mutilated. The Canadian maple-blood runs thick with Sam so I get the pick, but overall it's a crime to not mention Cannibal Corpse.
Isaac I dunno, that may be a personal opinion of yours but I know a lot of death metal fans and we all love CC and Tomb would be my pick, AND it was on the list for a minute. Without the Canadian factor, I think it makes it on the top 10.
Cryptopsy and Cannibal Corpse are borderline. They were both on then off the list, teetering on the edge of making it. I think they gave the edge to Cryptopsy cause they're Canadian, and didn't Sam even say that they were biased? I think the worldwide consensus puts Cannibal Corpse on the list over Cryptopsy.
I also think that Cannibal Corpse was treated bit unfairly, mostly just because they are popular. Yes they are bit of a cookie cutter Disney version of death metal today, with loads of techincal skill but not much originality, but they are not a bad band by any means. Tomb Of The Mutilated however IS a masterpiece in death metal genre and an essential in my book. And hell, how many people they managed to get interested in Death Metal with their short appearance on Ace Ventura movie? I know it did for me back in the day, I loved the few riffs from Hammer Smashed Face and had to hunt down the album. It has been in my playlist ever since. If nothing else, the album/band should get honorable mention as a gateway drug.
My main issue with the end result is the last minute swapping of Suffo with Cryptopsy. Suffo influenced Cryptopsy so then Suffo trumps Cryptopsy by that logic. The same consensus was made over Carcass having earlier influence than At The Gates so I'm glad ATG were taken off, actually surprised they did that after ATG being stuck on the board there for so long. But as a huge Sep fan, I have no problem with Sep replacing Carcass (doesn't look like they had a magnet for Carcass it would appear). The only other glaring omission to me & as they all pointed out, is Bolt Thrower. But maybe as with CC, there's a lack of consensus over which album. Also glad Deicide stayed put, much deserved. I'd be more than happy if Bolt Thrower got chosen over Sep or Deicide tho. That's my 5 cents ;)
Obituary’s The End Complete got me into Death Metal. My dad had it on tape, I got my hands on it in fourth grade (1995) and listened to it religiously... after that I was hooked... for life.
Suffocation is more influential than most of the bands that were put there, cannibal corpse being removed and sepultura morbid visions which is a shitty album staying. This is just too much.
Possessed. Jeff Becerra invented Death Metal in 1979 at age 11 when he wrote Burn In Hell. If you listen to the US Thrash bands of 1983, they sound nothing like the Possessed 1983 demo. Possessed set out to be different and more extreme. They also had the Satanist theme.
Cannibal Corpse is iconic and classic. I definitely think Tomb of the Mutilated should have been on the essential. It is catchy, gory, nasty, and helped spread the awareness of Death Metal to the world. People complain, because they say that the band haven't evolved much and they have plenty of forgettable albums (Even though many other great metal and rock bands have that issue, but don't receive nearly as much flak). Plenty of their early stuff is worth checking out for anyone interested in Death Metal. They are not one of my absolute favorites, but they are essential because of their influence and iconic status. They may not be the most innovative, but they deserve a place in a top 10 for sure. At least they got honorable mention.
Very good. I put only the Mordid Vision of Sepultura released in 86. I believe this album had a direct influence on the construction of Death and Chuck.
I never did like Cannibal Corpse as much as I wanted to like Death or Morbid Angel, but not having Tomb of the Mutilated or Butchered at Birth is a travesty. They are one of the best and the most iconic/successful Death Metal bands of all time. Of course their records are going to be essential to early DM. I say Tomb solely because of Hammer Smashed Face, literally the most iconic DM song of all time.
Get that thorny stick out of your ass. I love all types of death metal and deathcore. Deathcore fans aren't as ignorant as you think. The majority us who are into slam deathcore & newer non scene deathcore bands know where the origins are at.
Lisa, what are we doing? Let's move it along. We don't have a lot of time. Let's move it along. We don't have a lot of time. Let's go to the board. Lisa, what are we doing? Let's go to the board. Lisa, what are we doing? We don't have a lot of time. Let's move it alone. Let's go to the board.
To me, the slightly worse production of consuming impuls makes the record even better. It’s sounds so underground, but is so catchy. Legendary record, legendary riffs, legendary vocals, legendary ideas and legendary album cover. I’m so happy it’s on the board.
Bolt Thrower - Realm of Chaos.
Nothing sounded like that in 1989. Criminally underrated.
WOOOOOORLD EEEATERRRR!!!!!
Any Death Metal list that doesn’t have at least one Bolt Thrower album on it is null and void. They are one of the top 5 dm bands ever.
@@neuroisis85 bt overrated
@@Angellisgod deluded
D.V.C. - Descendant Upheaval from 1989 I'd say comes close to the sound.
Dismember- Like An Everflowing Stream and Sinister - Hate
and Grave - You'll Never See ...
Pungent Stench?
@@Eilmstein Been caught Buttering
To be fair, both Dismember and Grave, while they emerged at the same time as Entombed/Nihilist, have the disadvantage of releasing their debut albums after 'Left Hand Path'. That album is the pinnacle of old school Swedish Death Metal. It set the standard for that entire subgenre. Back in those days the debut albums of Dismember, Grave and even Unleashed, while still considered good to great albums, were regarded as lesser attempts compared to Entombed.
@@thenecrosanct4906 Left Hand Path may be the first Sweedish DM album bu is not even the best Entombed album imo
Hey Bangers, a few more words of clarification on why the 1990s records were included in this show. We never called this an OSDM episode. We knew that we needed to split up the Death Metal Albums debate, because our Death Metal Band debate was so wide-ranging, and lots of great music was left out. We went back and forth about what "early" might mean, and found there was no specific cut off point that we could stand behind. 1991? 1993? Everyone would just argue about that. So we decided to make this 1980s and all the 1990s (knowing that this would be mostly early 1990s records.) And that a follow-up would go from 2000s onwards. Many of you are mad that mid-1990s records would be consider "early." But considering they are now around 20 years old, we think that qualifies in the bigger picture.
Also, we announced this from the start, in every post, and throughout the show. So don't get mad at Blayne for picking a record from 1995 like he was clueless or trying to pull a fast one! The 1990s was always going to be part of the discussion. Hope that helps clear things up from our end.
Mid 90's was not early for the genre tho, there was a clear shift in the mid 90's DM scene with many bands either splitting up or beginning to release sub par albums, it was the end of the golden period.
There's more death metal of the 90's than the 80's indeed
Well the end result was more 80s than 90s so dunno why ppl are getting all pissy. Morbid Visions replaced Slaughter Of The Soul. Who cares if one guy votes for At The Gates? As he explained, it's just his opinion & it got overturned.
Why no mention of Bathory? I mean in 1983 was there really anyone doing what they did? It was really the 1st Death metal album. That really should have been the starting point, wasn't a fan of them, I'm a Chuck guy, but let's give credit where credit is due.
Now, I know they are NOT death metal, but how does slayer not get mentioned here as the biggest influence in the early years of the entire metal genre as a catalyst. I mean the riffs, solos and drums are there.
Suffocation - Effigy of the forgotten
Grave - Into The Grave
are early-DM masterpieces
dude grave is fucking siiiick
Into The Grave is my all time favorite death metal album!
Grave definitely needs more love. My particular favorite band in the world
Would have liked these albums:
Gorguts - considered dead
carcarss - necrotisism
dismember - like an everflowing stream
bolt thrower - Realm of Chaos
Jimmy West
Considered Dead and I’d say Realm of Chaos or War Master or IVth Crusade, they could take their pick of Bolt Thrower.
Necroticism is unbelievable great. I miss it too here.
Obscura (98')
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Deicide's first one was an Absolute classic 🤘🤘☠️☠️😈😈
I'm angry for cannibal and deicide
Growing up near Tampa in the late 80/very early 90’s, that was my introduction into extreme metal. Didn’t know what to make of it at first, but quickly loved it. Alongside all the awesome bands from here, or ones that relocated here, to have that awesome Morrisound feel.
Yeah, no Corpse or Deicide??? WTF??
Couldn't agree more, it's among my top five death metal records of all time -- it just obliterates! A lot of metalheads just love jumping on the 'hate Deicide bandwagon' either because of the band's commercial success or due to Glen Benton's persona and great sense of humour.
Completely fuckin agree. I could listen to that album all day long
Here's my list (it's quite "floaty" but it doesn't vary that much)
Bolt Thrower: Realm Of Chaos
Carcass: Necroticism
Entombed: Clandestine
Death: Leprosy
Napalm Death: Harmony Corruption (no, it isn't a Grind Core album... it's 100% DM - the only in their catalogue but DM nonetheless)
Sepultura: Arise (DM with sparkles of thrash but pivotal nonetheless)
Cynic: Focus
At The Gates: Slaughter Of The Soul
Obituary: Cause Of Death
Morbid Angel: Blessed Are The Sick
Bolt Thrower!!!
@Jayce Jayden thanks bots, very cool
Hey I'm Blayne! To explain a little of the confusion that happened, the original plan was for early to be 80's and 90's because a clear break is hard to find, that's when I chose At the Gates. Whether you love'em or hate'em, they had a big influence on metal. By the way things shook out at the end they looked REALLY out of place and I took 'em down. A LOT of what we went on was from the live chat and comments on FB, so if you don't like it, get in the mix and change it! My revised pick would have been Bolt Thrower - Realm of Chaos. Blood for the Blood God! Skulls for the Skull Throne!
MetalComedy I think limiting it to 10 was what caused alot of confusing but also it should have been from the mid 80s to early 90s. I think it's fair to say that at this stage there is early, middle and modern eras of death metal... Also not including Cannibal Corpse for any reason is just ignorant. It's like not including Burzum in a list of essential black metal bands/albums.
You did great. Don't worry about the haters. Just because Slaughter of the Soul spawned its own subgenre doesn't mean it wasn't a death metal album when it came out.
Blayne, you're a great guest on this show and I hope you keep coming back!
You instantly won me over with your Bolt thrower / Nerd Shack love . Even if you were slamming cannibal
Yeah I think you made a slight mistake when choosing At The Gates - Slaughter Of The Soul for a guest choice. No question how good (screw you haters) and influental that album was but the genre was just wrong for a list called "Early Death Metal". When people speak of Early DM or "OSDM" people think of Death, Possessed, Pestilence, Morbid Angel and the likes, not Slaugher Of The Soul. Bolt Thrower would have been a spot on pick which no-one would have argued against, except maybe have a penis strething contest on what is their favourite BT album.
But when the Melodeath Essentials happen you'll get your revenge. :)
Spiritual Healing and Individual Thought Pattern are killer records
Spiritual Healing is an underrated masterpiece.
Awesome show.Blayne is one the best guests, hire the guy!
Much appreciated!!
Oh, hi Mark. Shut the fuck up and fuck the fuckin fuck off.
Lord Mark agree with you 100%. Unless you were born in the 90’s, why would you call “Slaughter of the soul” oldschool? Not even their early albums were “oldschool” AT ALL
No to Sepultura.
No to Pestilence.
Yes to Asphyx, the Rack.
Yes to Bolt Thrower, War Master.
Joel Morales and NinjaDragon STFU u tard asses. Old school metal? Are u fucking kidding me? Get outta here with that poser mentality shit. U 2 douches were probably not around when At The Fuckin Gates released Gardens of Grief and Red in the Sky is Ours. Early to mid 90's is pretty old now if u ask me. Slaughter Of the Soul is 24 fuckin years old now. Probably older than u 2 peanuts. I was born in 82 so the bands from the 80's to mid to late 90's are considered old now. So stop living like your stuck in time.
Possessed did "ignite", I was there..we were ready to jump ship from thrash bands and craved their dark, fast, and heavy sound..the division had begun. Ross Dolan of Immolation told me in 1995 that seven churches by Possessed was his favorite album.... Not bad from the band that I believe now carries the death metal torch the highest.
Possessed seven churches had awesome riffs with maniacally driven repeating single note harmonies. Vocals were both raspy and powerful ( not the subdued Cookie Monster cookie cutter garbage that limits the forcefulness of the sound) not only that, Jeff Becera had a range of rasp that highlighted the lyrics and is something the genre needs.
Dismember - Like an Everflowing stream
Good job mentioning the very BEST of Florida death metal: Morbid Angel, Death, and Obituary. There were others, but these three were absolutely the best.
I would replace Obituary with Cannibal Corpse. Obituary is still great though
@@BDeClue18 not a Florida band and not as good.
Hekate's Flame They were only in Buffalo for a short while then permanently moved to Tampa Bay. And as for who’s better to each their own. I like their instrumentals and vocals so much better.
Death shits on all the other bands from that time imo
Massacre
NECROTICISM - DESCANTING THE INSALUBRIOUS
mighty matafaking carcass!!!
Eaten Back to Life should be up there Cannibal made death metal what it is today. giving credit to Chuck for starting the genre. Skull full of Maggots generated the sound that different from thrash. Bands like NIle and Immolation get their sound from cannibal also Chris and George both made the typical vocals of Death metal
This would have for sure been my pick over Heartwork. Heartwork is an amazing album, with the not just the melodies but also the shift away from horror topics to more personal lyrical themes having a huge influence on later death metal. But Necroticism was their first album to make the break from goregrind into death metal, and it's really THE FIRST melodic death metal album. The solos are instantly hummable, and the grooves are just fucking massive! If you don't go nuts for Incarnate Solvent Abuse and Corporeal Jigsore Quandary, then something is fucking wrong with you!
Indeed
Whilst its considered Thrash, I consider Slayer's Reign in Blood to be a contender. The lyrical content alone should qualify it. It doesn't have to be guttural vocals alone. Surely Reign in Blood was at least a big influence no?
Sam, please do LOCK HORNS on Death albums.
This ^^^. Love to hear people fight over death albums. It's either scream bloody gore/leprosy/spiritual healing fans, human/ITP fans or symbolic/sound of perseverance fans. I'd have to pick between human or symbolic, how about you?
YES THIS!!^^^^
Animal Pak It's hard to choose one but I think Sound of Perseverance is my favourite.
Why? choose the 5 best album from a band that did 7 albums? I love Death but I don't understand the point of doing a lock horns on them (felt the same about Mastadon even though I have been a fan for years)
Animal Pak Spiritual Healing and Symbolic are my favorites, lol
Benediction - transcend The rubicon
Mortification's Scrolls of the Meggiloth is an extremely underrated classic. It's brutal and in your face, production is great, riffs are fantastic, vocals are monstrous, and just generally kicks major ass. They get overlooked or straight up ignored because they're Christian, but few records from that time period did the crushing, grind influenced death metal of the early 90's better.
Will93 it’s a sick ass album I love it
The Bleeding by CC is widely considered one of their best and most essential records, that should have been a no brainer. They unfortunately get a lot of hate because death metal is full of elitists who jump on the bandwagon of hipster-esque thinking (oh they're popular or mainstream, I can't like them now). Cannibal Corpse is not a joke, they're just campy and it's what makes their music fun to listen to, much like a good b-horror movie. Taking it too seriously will taint your opinion on them for sure, it's unfortunate they get hate because they are super consistent, technical, catchy, and brutal all at the same time.
They are my favorite traditional death metal band
Thank you someone who gets it
Cannibal rules, the Bleeding would be so much better with a different vocalist. Barnes fucking ruined that record.
Every cannibal record shuld be on any death metal list.they are the definition of death metal
I don’t get CC, it all sounds so bland
"Slaughter Of The Soul" is a classic but not for this episode.
I was thinking maybe "Necroticism" for this list. You're right about "None So Vile". Tremendous album that doesn't belong here. "Tomb Of The Mutilated" is a stone cold classic.
Yeap...slaughter of the soul is...melodeath..
Bul Elangbam melodeath is still death.
My only complaint about this album has always been that the songs were too short. I agree it feels a little out of place here. I think the limit should have been up to 1995 or even 1994. The genre matured and gave way to a lot of sub-genres pretty quickly.
Chris B it almost felt very thrashy. Recall how short the songs were on Slayers reign in blood.
People always forget about Gorefest, False is such a masterpiece.
I don't I am with you.
Why not Mindloss?
Mindloss is older so it would fit better in this debate, but False is superior.
No i didnt
Mindloss... one of my favs in the 90's, listened to it every day for months straight.
Effigy of the Forgotten was hugely influential for tech and BDM, not to mention it was the first album to utilize slam riffs. Also say what you want about cannibal, they're also hugely influential vocally and lyrically.
The first death metal album I ever bought influenced me is Obituary's Slowly We Rot. Still love that album and listen to it regularly 30 yrs later.
One of my favourites.
I think Effigy of the Forgotten is more essential than Morbid Visions and None so Vile. and a bit surprised Erosion of Sanity didn't get a mention.
I totally agree that effigy should have made the list, oh well. I can't agree with the erosion of sanity, despite it being one of my favorite death metal albums ever. Even though it kicks fucking ass, it's a suffocation clone at the end of the day(does suffocation better than suffocation). It didn't influence anyone because no one gave a shit about it when it came out, kind of was condemned to obscurity ;)
100% agree
As much as I love the first two Cryptopsy albums, they have no place up on that board.
Pestilence & Sepultura aren't nearly worthy of a top 10. Top 20? Probably, but not top 10. None so vile & effigy should've taken they're places.
@Macrocrash11Dude do you even know the significance & influence of that record? It paved the way for the slam death metal we know today. Also Lord Worm on that record created the benchmark for slam & BDM vocals.
The only Band where u give all songs on a playlist and never skip a song……...DEATH
Agreed, but fuck a playlist. Most of these albums are worhty of the whole listen!
Gorguts
Immolation
Grave
Atheist
Cynic
Incantation
Nocturnus
...
You guys forgot some
NazhaStory fuck yes atheist
GRAVE for life
33:30 actually, Slowly We Rot was written in E standard tuning, which I think it shows that Obituary is that much better because they were able to be that heavy in standard tuning
Death - Leprosy, Morbid Angel - Altars Of Madness, Obituary - Slowly We Rot, Cannibal Corpse - Eaten Back To Life, Entombed - Left Hand Path were the essential blue prints of early Death Metal from the late 80's.
Damon Scott some of those LHP songs were on earlier Nihilist demos.
No Immolation? No Gorguts? I would have also mentioned Demilich and Timeghoul for creating a complete different spin on death metal and they were for sure essential and early. Oh well.
DEICIDE essential - nothing sounded like their first album (despite what they did afterwards)
Other essential bands ....Death, Obituary, Morbid Angel, Pestilence
+ no german bands ? Morgoth and Atrocity?!?
Yes .....their debut is what got me into this genre...this album as well as others is essential..the early 90's is when the genre picked up it's pace
Morgoth and atrocity are just amazing...along with Paralysis-Patrons of the Dark
Obituary!
Cannibal Corpse? "Edgy gore for the sake of it?" DA FUQ IZ RAWNG WIT DAT?!!! Death metal is fun! Let them be fun! Even some of the earlier death metal bands sounded more like thrash with "death metal techniques," but Cannibal Corpse, even now, sounds like they are trying to stay brutal without transitioning too far into melodic or tech death, both of which I do enjoy. Not my number one death metal band in general, personally, but one that always sticks around with me. And yeah, Suffocation and Dying Fetus (unless DF is in the tech death video).
surprised to see no love for Malevolent Creation. Definitely my fav of the early bands
Exactly, The Ten Commandments was an instant classic when it came out and helped define the Florida style. Also Brutality would have deserved a mention.
Ten commandments fckn the shit props for buff.r.I.p.brett!!
its probably because of MC's "problematic" views, which is stupid. let the music speak for itself.
I don't know why but I really love Eternal it's awesome
You are surprised? Really? With these SJWs?
Blayne says Altars of Madness is one of the few albums from that time that actual sounds good production wise.. WHAT?? Are you on crack dude? Tons of those early albums sound AWESOME
Lance SkulKrusher haha Fenriz says that everyone hated the production when it came out. All subjective
Lance SkulKrusher music is a subjective experience dude, there’s no right or wrong, it’s all opinions. What sounds good production to him sounds bad to you sound ok to me etc etc
@@Grimeyhoob is production that subjective tho? scream bloody gore sounds shitty even if i love the sound of that album.
@@gobuns2 yes, I really think so, because honestly to me, even though there's an obvious difference in the production in all these albums, I still think the album's sounds as good as it is
@@gobuns2 i think the shitty production helps tho it makes it sound more brutal than the other death albums imo and the screams are the best on that album as wel
Carcass - Necroticism belongs on this list for sure
I'm not sure they're death.
@@warrendchild yes it is death . .
Massacre - From Beyond
Master - s/t
Feels like people forget the important ones
of course
"Important" is completely subjective. All that exists are favourites.
Master always gets left out
Syklone False. The important albums are the ones that have made the most impact. That’s not the same as favorite. Some albums are more important than others.
@@Syklonus No. Important albums are the ones that inspired people to make music / influenced styles of other bands / shaped new genres. That's totally objective.
Both bands are pinnacles of death metal of the era. Celtic Frost, I have just gotten into. I think they influenced many as well. Great video, as usual, Banger. :)
In the 90's Chris Barnes vocals were one of the best, if not the best! Tomb of the Mutilated is an absolute genre defining DM release.
Ive always loved the bleeding and chris vocals are insane on that album. Tomb of the mutilated would be the next album i love.
I'm just getting into extreme metal, it's an awesome journey discovering (new to me) artists. I'm kicking myself for not being into or aware of this kind of music back in the mid/late 90's when I used to work in a music store.
Decide is my favorite band but Legion is the essential album. Glen Benton's vocals are not fully evolved but it is closer to what it sounds like today. Riffs galore crushing and brutal. Scott Burn's masterpiece. The bass isn't overwhelming but is audible. Legion is essential.
@ Tj Caruthers Gonna have to disagree with you about Legion.First off the bass was overwhelmingly horrible on Legion.Secondly Benton's vocals have never matched the levels he achieved on their first album.Thirdly they have never come close to the overall savagery of their first album.I think after their first album they lost their sound and have never found it.
@@jeremyboehm5512 there is something that we called creativity and inovative progression to avoid boredom of doing the same thing all over again in your intire life ok,... And human needs is always be evolving and changing through their never ending satisfaction to their early achievement..
For me their albums even get better and better sounds arrangement and compositions..
Atheist 'Unquestionable presence' (1991) is another essential early death metal album. It had a big influence on the prog death subgenre, and more importantly, still kicks ass.
Also, Napalm Death were very important in europe in their transition to death metal, with Harmony corruption, and Utopia banished.
Slaughter Of The Soul is great and is for sure Death Metal (may have influenced Melodic Death for sure), but it is not an EARLY Death Metal album. The title should have been "Essential 80's and 90's Death Metal albums"
I guess in the grand scope of death metal (let's say starting in '85, to be generous, to 2017), Slaughter of the Souls is *relatively* early. I do agree it's a kind of a stretch though.
Slaughter of the Soul, along with None so Vile, are essential to a "second round" of death metal, as the style really started spreading its wings around 1994/1995 and expanding.
***** not saying it is a GREAT album. I like it but it is weak for the melo death style IMO, but there is no denying how influential that album was on later bands. Dark Tranquility and In Flames had much stronger albums at the time, just SOTS gets the nod by many.
Gardens of Grief.
Vader - De Profundis should be on this list, that record is as classic as it gets, also has the best production of any death metal record I have ever heard.
Yes ! This killer record deserves more recognition. Vader is such a good band. Their drummer Doc was so mind blowing !
wow I am pretty hurt that Cannibal Corpse was taken off the list. I assume it was mostly for not being able to get it down to one album, which is understandable since they have lots of them. so that said cannibal corpse deserves their own episode. the BIGGEST band in death metal, arguably the best live, shit man.
Yup, no consensus was the real reason. It split the vote. A whole episode dedicated to CC is a great idea.
They have a huge discography and a debate about Barnes/corpsegrinder preference would be interesting, myself being a corpsegrinder enthusiast. I look forward to it guys!!! Love the channel!!!!
BANGER I could get behind a CC specific episode. not a real fan of the band but would be a great way to learn more about them.
deathmonger420 their first one is essential..after that it's just cookie cutter shit
***** cookie cutter? Nah
We want more Blayne Smith!!! This guy is really entertaining and knows his stuff.
Wow I just realized that Massacre wasn't even mentioned during this. I'm guilty I didn't think of them.
Gorguts as well. Ridiculous lol.
They did mention gorguts they had luc le may talk
To be fair the live chat wasn't agreeing on which albums from those bands
This is such a great idea! I like hearing metalheads discuss what they think about all the classic albums in each subgenre. It's cool to hear all the different perspectives.
Possessed should've been put at the top of the board as proto-Death Metal.
Switching Suffocation with Cryptopsy? That's BS, Suffocation have been far more influential, even creating a whole subgenre (Technical Brutal Death Metal).
HideousConformity I wouldn't even attach proto to that, because they were death metal, period.
I personally really love the production of those early death metal records. Really raw and honest, big sounding drums, plenty of that old school reverb, unique and gritty guitar tones and vocals. I feel like death metal has gotten a bit too cleaned up today for my liking. But hey, that's just me
Napalm death's harmony corruption is also very good
Julian Gonzalez good, yes. essential? not sure. not sure how many site that album specifically as a huge influence
Derek Albert yeah I see what you're saying , but I mean it is good if you like old school death metal like morbid angel, obituary, and death.
Derek Albert Agreed good but essential not so much. Being more known for grindcore is the main reason why their most death metal album wouldn't be added. But in my opinion it is their best album.
Napalm Death, all of their early stuff, is VERY ESSENTIAL. We would not have death metal without them.
I agree 100% They both influenced each other. In many ways, they created each other. Without E.N.T., Repulsion and Terrorizor, you wouldn't have Morbid Angel and Death. Everyone forgets that Matt Olivo and Scott Carlson of Repulsion played in Death with Chuch Schuldiner. And Tony Norman of Morbid angel played in Terrorizer.
My top 10 early death metal album
1. At The Gates - Slaugther of The Souls
2. Pestilence - Consuming Impulse
3. Dismember- Like An Everflowing Stream
4. DEATH - Leposy
5. Entombed - Left Hand Path
6. DEATH - Scream, Bloody Gore
7. Massacre - From Beyond
8. Grave - Into The Grave
9. Sepultura - Chaos A.D
10. carcarss - necrotisism
I just want your opinion on why you think Like an Everflowing Stream is more essential than Left Hand Path since the former was inspired by or appeared after the latter and also Dismember, to me, always sounded like a clone of Entombed
Bolt Thrower should have been there.
It got me in to metal, first metal I ever listened to.
It should have been there because you like it? That's pretty arrogant dude.
BANGER is by far the best metal channel on TH-cam. Lock Horns is incredibly insightful and enlightening. Keep up the great work.
the removal of Effigy at the end there was fucking stuuuuuupid.
There is a reason why Obituary's 3rd album was titled The End Complete.
If you don't know and you haven't listened to it. It is the greatest death metal album ever written recorded and produced. Production is absolutely stellar packaging might be the best looking death metal cover ever you can stare at it for 20 years and still find stuff in that picture. Every single track is perfection in the true style that death metal was supposed to be before it went off the extreme cliff. Give it a relisten you'll understand. The End Complete...meaning no more shall come after.
80's/90's production is better than current, everything now sounds the same and over produced
It would be awesome to have a blend of the two eras. The cleanliness and clarity of todays recordings with the rawness and realness of the early 90's. I know that doesn't make perfect sense but it does in my head.
@@erikh3867 listen to skeletal remains
@@nickDOTbloc Nice recommendation, instant fan. Cheers mate
The only good thing about the new production is getting your guitar tone perfect and you get those crunchy palm mutes. But that's about it.
I would definitely put the Unleashed debut Where No Life Dwells instead of Sepultura and Cryptopsy. Released in 1991, that album made a huge impact on death metal, and paved the way for new bands especially in Europe. Also the song Before Creation Of Time was the first metal hit that came from the death metal genre.
they are definitely great
Baphomet: the dead shall inherit& necrophagia: season of the dead deserve honorable mention
Baphomet is great
My top ten would be something like this although some people might argue the genre of some of them I guess.
Death - scream bloody gore
Possessed - seven churches
Bolt thrower - realm of chaos
Morbid angel - altars of madness
Pestilence - consuming impulse
Incubus - serpent temptation
Autopsy - severed survival
Necrophagia - season of the dead
Carcass - symphonies of sickness
Obituary - slowly we rot
Awesome chanel, great job guys! Glad u mentioned At the gates! Maybe Bolth Thrower The IVth Crusade should be in the ten!
Cheers
Hey loved this show, it was exactly what I was hoping you'd do this week. Just a quick suggestion: in the future when you do more essential albums or any lockhorns I would suggest not putting the graphic where you see the final list in the intro. Seeing the list right away for the archived version completely gives away what will end up on the list! Hearing the arguments and debates is still fun, but it's just a little spoilery.
Keep up the great work!
No one mentioned Cancer! "Death Shall Rise" is my personal favourite of OSDM, but i don't know if it was so "big" in early 90s thou...
Mediocre album that benefitted from the production. The replay value isn't too good either.
Great album but I was the only one that I knew that listened to it back than
Hung drawn and quartered is my favorite song by them.
Prefer To The Gory End?
Dismember - Like an Ever Flowing Stream from 1991 should have been on the list.
An alternative 10 essential albums:
Death - Symbolic
Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness
Atheist - Unquestional Presence
Edge of Sanity - Crimson
Gorguts - Obscura
Dismember - Lik an Ever Flowing Stream
Autopsy - Mental Funeral
Cryptopsy - None So Vile
Carcass - Necrotism
Entombed - Left Hand Path
Scream bloody gore is still one of if not the best death metal record of all time
Late to the game, but having heard Seven Churches multiple times to try and comprehend the influence,, I don't know why this album is considered in this conversation, yet Slayer's Hell Awaits is not. From my perception, they both have similar influence, yet I think Possessed has the 'benefit' of this being their only important release for such a long time. Slayer carved their own path, but that shouldn't detract from where they were in '85 and, ultimately, in my opinion'' their influence towards what Death Metal would be is equally apt.
Tour 1995/96: Morbid Angel (with Dave), Dissection, At the Gates.
Firstly love the show guys. Entombed-"Left Hand Path", Carcass-" Necroticism...", Obituary-" Cause of Death", Morbid Angel-" Covenant ", At The Gates-" Terminal Spirit Disease". X.
Woah! That last second change taking off Suffocation, not cool Blayne. Not cool!
Death was always amazing for me, the music was amazing and I loved chuck. I loved the sound of perseverance the most. Especially spirit crusher.
So I'm from Switzerland... You Guys also know Celtic Frost ?
This is real early Death Metal. I agree on Death too..Chuck forever !
We sure do!
MALEVOLENT CREATION'S 1ST or 2nd album!!! Debut/1st album challenge, 5 entries: Entombed vs Hypocrisy Sentenced vs Edge of Sanity Unleashed vs Therion Dismember vs Sinister Desultory vs Seance. Leave comment, reply, opinion, etc. Possessed is THE shit!!! The 1st!!! Venom on Bay Area is a great description!!! The are the MC5 of Death Metal....originals!!! GREAT SHOW!! Especially for us that bought all of these albums when they came out...esp Venom's BLACK METAL...got it 10 minutes after the store owner took out of his deliveries...w/Bloodlust on it!!!!!!!
Okay, so, Cannibal Corpse, we heard all the arguments for and against by now. Let's try something different by putting it to the vote.
Question: should Cannibal Corpse be on the essential early death metal list?
- Yes, with Tomb of the Mutilated
- Yes, with The Bleeding
- Yes, with another album
- No, not at all
Vote by replying to this comment!
*EDIT*
Results up until now:
- Yes, with Tomb of the Mutilated: 1
- Yes, with The Bleeding: 2
- Yes, with another album: 0
- No, not at all: 0
Yes, with tomb of the mutilated
Yes, with The Bleeding. :)
Alexander Vandecaveye yes The Bleeding.
Yes, tomb of the mutilated
Coroner needs to get some love. Their first three are classics.
The only thing I have to say is that Cannibal Corpse is my favorite band.
Just going to say this about Cannibal Corpse: I suspect most of the CC critics aren't musicians. Not all, but most. If you're a guitarist and/or composer, there's no way you think CC is bad death metal. They've got some of the most brilliant death metal riffs around, if you genuinely grasp what it is they're actually doing.
How the hell were Immolation and Incantation not even mentioned?
Ken Wheeler right!! Huge fucking disappointment.
Hell yeah, great episode. I think Blayne may be my favorite guest, I was rooting for Bolt Thrower in there too, they're fucking legendary..
CANCER "Death shall rise"! First death metal band that I had heard.
Its amazing how such advance and great albums were made by teenage guys sometimes without any music backgrounds
they might include some early death metal next time :)
Damn! I never knew so many people hated Cannibal Corpse! I want to add that I'm not a huge Death Metal fan but after watching this show I might reconsider and dig deeper in the genre.
Do family tree episodes on Tech death and Brutal Death!
Sam good to see you after a decade.. we worked at Transcontinental Media back in 2001.
Personal preferences aside, I'd take out Cryptopsy and add Tomb Of The Mutilated. The Canadian maple-blood runs thick with Sam so I get the pick, but overall it's a crime to not mention Cannibal Corpse.
Jason Vegan cannibal corpse arent that essencial fucking idiot
It was mentioned though init
Isaac I dunno, that may be a personal opinion of yours but I know a lot of death metal fans and we all love CC and Tomb would be my pick, AND it was on the list for a minute. Without the Canadian factor, I think it makes it on the top 10.
Cryptopsy and Cannibal Corpse are borderline. They were both on then off the list, teetering on the edge of making it. I think they gave the edge to Cryptopsy cause they're Canadian, and didn't Sam even say that they were biased? I think the worldwide consensus puts Cannibal Corpse on the list over Cryptopsy.
I also think that Cannibal Corpse was treated bit unfairly, mostly just because they are popular. Yes they are bit of a cookie cutter Disney version of death metal today, with loads of techincal skill but not much originality, but they are not a bad band by any means. Tomb Of The Mutilated however IS a masterpiece in death metal genre and an essential in my book. And hell, how many people they managed to get interested in Death Metal with their short appearance on Ace Ventura movie? I know it did for me back in the day, I loved the few riffs from Hammer Smashed Face and had to hunt down the album. It has been in my playlist ever since.
If nothing else, the album/band should get honorable mention as a gateway drug.
My main issue with the end result is the last minute swapping of Suffo with Cryptopsy. Suffo influenced Cryptopsy so then Suffo trumps Cryptopsy by that logic. The same consensus was made over Carcass having earlier influence than At The Gates so I'm glad ATG were taken off, actually surprised they did that after ATG being stuck on the board there for so long. But as a huge Sep fan, I have no problem with Sep replacing Carcass (doesn't look like they had a magnet for Carcass it would appear). The only other glaring omission to me & as they all pointed out, is Bolt Thrower. But maybe as with CC, there's a lack of consensus over which album. Also glad Deicide stayed put, much deserved. I'd be more than happy if Bolt Thrower got chosen over Sep or Deicide tho. That's my 5 cents ;)
Morbid Visions came out in November of 86...not 87 lol
Obituary’s The End Complete got me into Death Metal. My dad had it on tape, I got my hands on it in fourth grade (1995) and listened to it religiously... after that I was hooked... for life.
@CK R Hell yes Obituary are the godfathers of death metal.Love the songs Dead Silence and Killing Time.
Suffocation is more influential than most of the bands that were put there, cannibal corpse being removed and sepultura morbid visions which is a shitty album staying. This is just too much.
Possessed. Jeff Becerra invented Death Metal in 1979 at age 11 when he wrote Burn In Hell. If you listen to the US Thrash bands of 1983, they sound nothing like the Possessed 1983 demo. Possessed set out to be different and more extreme. They also had the Satanist theme.
Why does everyone always take a shit on Cannibal Corpse?!
I have never understood that.
Cannibal Corpse is iconic and classic. I definitely think Tomb of the Mutilated should have been on the essential. It is catchy, gory, nasty, and helped spread the awareness of Death Metal to the world.
People complain, because they say that the band haven't evolved much and they have plenty of forgettable albums (Even though many other great metal and rock bands have that issue, but don't receive nearly as much flak). Plenty of their early stuff is worth checking out for anyone interested in Death Metal.
They are not one of my absolute favorites, but they are essential because of their influence and iconic status. They may not be the most innovative, but they deserve a place in a top 10 for sure. At least they got honorable mention.
Very good.
I put only the Mordid Vision of Sepultura released in 86. I believe this album had a direct influence on the construction of Death and Chuck.
If Suffocation Effigy of The Forgotten isn't on here I'mma be mad
its brutal death metal
I think that doing a Lock Horns where you had to rank the Death albums in a specific order would be awesome, cuz that would really get heads spinning
Where would you place Bolt Thrower?
I never did like Cannibal Corpse as much as I wanted to like Death or Morbid Angel, but not having Tomb of the Mutilated or Butchered at Birth is a travesty. They are one of the best and the most iconic/successful Death Metal bands of all time. Of course their records are going to be essential to early DM. I say Tomb solely because of Hammer Smashed Face, literally the most iconic DM song of all time.
Slowly we rot was definitely in E Standard. Still heavy AF.
d standard
@@scotthoganquincyil8363 E, they went D on the other albums
@@sillesrepa8249 I was wrong thid album was in d standard
I'm putting this out there, granted its not pure death metal but Unquestionable Presence by Atheist or even Focus by Cynic. Really influential albums.
Suffocation isn't Deathcore, or to 'blame' for it.
Get that thorny stick out of your ass. I love all types of death metal and deathcore. Deathcore fans aren't as ignorant as you think. The majority us who are into slam deathcore & newer non scene deathcore bands know where the origins are at.
Suffocation and Death core in the same sentence is tragic.
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ONWARD TO GOLGOTHA!!!!!!!
yes
To me, the slightly worse production of consuming impuls makes the record even better. It’s sounds so underground, but is so catchy. Legendary record, legendary riffs, legendary vocals, legendary ideas and legendary album cover. I’m so happy it’s on the board.
Its sounds well produced to me.