Benefits of the Horizontal/Layens Hive
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- Today we go into our personal opinions of the Layens hive and the Langstroth hive. We also talk about the benefits of a horizontal hive.
I got close to our apple blossom hive while wearing a black T and a honey bee attacked my shirt! Her stinger was stuck but she got it out, buzzed me until I left and that was that. Moral of the story consider wearing bright colors when around the girls!
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My HH came out of winter far stronger than my Langs. It was busting with bees and even swarmed a month before my other hives even got going strong. US zone 7 We had a month of 9F also. Most people don't realize horizontal beekeeping was around long before vertical.
Thats terrific!
Our mentor Dr. Leo Sharashkin has reported between 80%-90% survival with horizontal hives in Missouri. We will definitely report our numbers before and after the winter time.
Good to know there is options out there. I prefer a horizontal langstroth hive for a resource hive. Not big on horizontal hives for honey production.
Thank you!
Horizontal langstroth aren't bad at all, I've seen Doug and Stacy use them pretty well from Dr. Leo's instruction.
Layens 14 frames can give 40 lbs of honey and the 19 frame can give 90. We've been pretty contempt with it.
great information...
SAF extractor from Miller Bee Supply in North Carolina and Lyson Large Frame Extractors work for Layens. My SAF will also hold Lang deeps.
We've been to Miller Bee Supply! Cool store, they have a lot of Langstroth stuff but I heard they had just started getting Layens extractors. I wouldn't be surprised if they started selling the hives at some point.
Great video, so questions
1. How would you spin the honey out?
2. Can you start off with a package of bees?
3. Do you not get as much honey from this type of hive?
Sorry for all the questions. From what I have seen, this are better for colder climates. Being from Rhode Island I want to make sure I can help my bees when I get them as much as possible.
Glad to answer your questions!
1: There is an extractor for layens frames on www.horizontalhive.com but it's a little pricey. So instead we use a hot knife, uncap the honey and let it flow into a bowl. We will be doing this in a few weeks and we'll have a video for it!
2: You can definitely start off with a package of bees, but using packages is not something we practice. In our experience packages have high failure rates and we have learned to catch our own bees instead (and local bees you catch are always the healthiest). Its very easy! We have a video on how we catch them called "The Swarm Catcher".
3: The return you get it based off the size of your horizontal hive. If you're using a fourteen frame like the one seen in the video you can get up to 45 lbs of honey in a season. A nineteen frame can get you up to 90 lbs of honey and you can even build a bigger one if you desire. I see no reason why you can't get just as much honey out of a Layens hive as you can from a Langstroth.
The layens hive is good for cold climates but because it uses thicker walls for insulation it's also efficient in hot temperatures too. The bees won't cook as much in the Layens as they will in the langstroth.
If you have any other questions feel free to ask! :)
@@SecureAcresNaturalBees you answered the question i was gonna ask. Was wondering if you got yours at horizontalhive.com . Had langstroths but noticed my queens almost always refused to move up so i ended up running single brood chambers which was exhausting for my wife and i. (Back problems on her end, swarm stress on my end) Your videos have me sold on layens.
@@ThelaziaCafe Just saw this reply!
Layens is a great hive! Our family has loved them ever since we switched and we'll never go back to the stressful way of working bees. In our video we uploaded called "May Update, Checking on the Horizontal Hives" it was just so easy going into all of our hives and requires very little work. :)
I like it! Thanks for the video. How to extract? Cut,crush and strain?
Hello!
You can actually see how we extract in this video:
th-cam.com/video/ZzhUx5uYH5c/w-d-xo.html
Really simple, cutting our pieces and using a honey press we bought from "www.horizontalhive.com" to press out the honey. Very delicious!
Nice channel!
that is what i was thinking,, those layens style hives are what i will be using,, i am disabled and not able to do any heavy lifting so if i want to raise bees for honey to share with friends and family it`ll have to be the layens type of hive.... i would need the 50 frame type as we get a lot of -30 to -40 F, days and nights during the winter, also deep snow.. i live in us zone 4, thank you for the video
Thanks for watching!
To couple of naysayers that have commented here, I would really recommend that you listen to the podcast at the bottom of the following page with an open mind: horizontalhive.com/gallery-video-picture/natural-beekeeping-videos.shtml
I would absolutely love to make a few of these hives, it's about to kill my back with the Langstroth hives we have and the winters here in SW MO are extremely hard on them. Where do you get the foundations for the frames?
Hello!
I get them on Horizontalhive.com . They have plenty of foundation and it smells so good!
@@SecureAcresNaturalBees Thank you! 👍🏼👊🏼
hi nice video i have ask if you can help me i want the dimension of laynes hives and frame in cementer measurement
Hey Mohammed,
You can find the dimensions of the hives we use over at:
horizontalhive.com/how-to-build/layens-beehive-design.shtml
Hope that helps!
I like the idea of the layens hive the only downfall I would see is extracting honey. Will those frames fit in an extractor?
Hello!
So it is true that the Layens frames require a specific extractor (which can be found on horizontalhive.com). HOWEVER you can use a hot knife to just uncap the frames and let them drain into a bucket, that's what we've done so far
We did just get a honey press machine which is another form of extraction and we will probably use it for our spring honey. This you can also purchase on horizontalhive.com
Less expensive 3 frame SAF from Miller Bee Supply in North Carolina. Lyson also makes a Large Frame Extractor.
How do you extract from a layens frame? Does someone manufacture an extractor large enough for the larges size frames?
We use a hot knife!
However you can find an extractor at www.horizontalhive.com
Hi, I just happened across you video, loved it! Question: I'm new to beekeeping and have never heard of a Layen's. How do you harvest the honey? Do you use a queen excluder? Keep up the great work and thank you!
Thank you so much!
You can find a Layens frame extractor on www.horizontalhive.com . We however use a hot knife, uncap the honey, then let it drain into a container.
We don't use a queen excluder, instead we start the bees on one half, the queen generally stays to that side because it's got the primary air flow, and she generally leaves the other side untouched.
@@SecureAcresNaturalBees Makes sense. I tried draining honey with a heat lamp but it was a total disaster, melting wax. I checked out horiziontalhive.com and it says fixed combs are not legal in U.S.Trying to figure that one out. Saw their ad on e-bay, trying to figure out where to go next, maybe build my own. Thank you so much and happy beekeeping!
Our layens hives are based off the plans from horizontalhive.com! Buying them can be pricey but if you have some basic tools, building your own is the way to go! They also teach now to build the frames needed which is nice because those can be pricey too.
Thank you for stopping by, hope you'll stay in touch!
@@SecureAcresNaturalBees Thank you, sir. I have tools and backgound and will take your advice. I'm your newest fan! Take care
Johnathan Tenfingers
I believe a “fixed comb” would be like using a hollow tree for your hive. For honey production they require inspections and you can’t inspect if you can’t get access. When I lived in FL, I looked up the laws. They require that all hives be registered with the state (even if you only have one) and they require that the hive get inspections. I haven’t looked up laws for each state, so you may want to check your own state laws or talk to your local agricultural department.
There are also frequently rules about how close you can be to residences, as well as concerning the flight path from the entrance to the hive.
I did wonder if the strict rules in FL were due to the Africanized bees. They also prohibited catching swarms, which I assumed was to keep people from breeding Africanized bees and helping them spread.
How does it work on your honey extractor or doe you need a different extractor
We currently use a hot knife to uncap our frames and let the honey to run out. Layens frames do require a different extractor but one can be found on "www.horizontalhive.com".
Where did you get those honey feeders
www.horizontalhive.com
What is that white thing in horizontal hives is it a feeder or beetle trap
Hey Tony,
It's a honey feeder.
Just curious why did you go to the Layens hive rather than a long horizontal Langstroth? I mean they are almost the same just one isn't as deep.
We actually found out that in nature bees prefer a longer comb as it gives the winter cluster more room to move when its cold out. That's the main reason we choose the Layens frame over the Langstroth frame.
If you can winter in single deep langs then you don't need a Layens.
Hi dear beekeeper.Thanks for your video, nice deep frames, but it doesn't work if you have weak bee colony.
Hello!
We have had 5 successful transfers this year from swarms we have caught and all of the colonies have done fine. Our mentor Dr. Leo Sharashkin has caught very small colonies and has wintered them on just three frames and they survived! We can't wait for the winter to see how they will do.
NOTE: No hive works if you have weak or sickly bees until you fix the health of the bee.
@@anyaz8319 Hi ,are you thinking, that all your bee colonies are healthy right now?
Leo Sharshkin promotes the Layens hive as ideal for housing honeybees. He starts with bait hives to capture local swarms. He believes they have a much better chance of overcoming the varroa mite and diseases. He does not treat his bees, he only gives them an ideal place to expand their colony (Layens and horizontal hive) and enjoys great success. Those who buy package bees have a higher rate of failure because the bees are weak and/or sickly and the queens are too often of poor quality and/or poorly mated. Strong bees and a hive that mimics the inside of a tree trunk is an ideal combination for healthy, happy and successfully overwintered bees.
@@anyaz8319 HI, YOU ARE RIGHT.
Do you build and sell these layens hive?
We do sell them. You can email "SecureAcresNaturalBees@gmail.com" for details, or you can buy them from "www.horizontalhive.com", OR you can receive free plans on how to build them from that very same site. :)
I just started moving over to horizontal hives - I have one long Langstroth (25 deeps) and another similar shape to Layens although it takes even bigger frames - 2 Lang deeps one on top of the other is the frame size. I like top entrance and so it seems do my bees. I took the idea and reasoning from www.bushfarms.com/beestopentrance.htm . Michael Bush has some other great ideas which do not comply with standard beekeeping methods!
Michael Bush seems like a great guy for knowledge. We might make a horizontal langstroth for all of our old frames!
Mr and misses strutting buck all honey bees came from over seas!
Are you saying that there were NO native bees in North America when the indians roamed the plains? I find that hard to believe - but open if you have proof.
I don't understand why people that don't use the standard Langsthroth
hive always work so hard to show how much better their unconventional hive is.
The way I see it the Layens hive stay mostly empty, lots of wasted space.
Horizontal space is expensive, vertical space is free.
I have not yet seen one or two advantages of the Layens hive standard over the Langsthroth hive.
Removing those individuals sticks seems to be lots of waste of time.
At 2:01 you are complaining that you have to remove the feeder, the two honey supers to get to the brood box; Well you are just misleading the inexperienced beekeeper. Not all colonies are configured the way, you are cherry-picking.
The argument of being exhausted from picking two honey supers is pure nonsense.
It seems to me that you don't know much about beekeeping or you are just acting like you don't know: what I mean is that if you have two or three or seven honey suppers it is because you are in the middle of a nectar flow and you are not going to take down your honey supers to see what is going on in the brood box, you already know that the brood box is firing in all pistons.
An experienced beekeeper would had done the inspection before the nectar flow where you were managing the swarms and splits.
You can easily inspect the brood box before the nectar flow by tilting the box and looking for queen cells, you certainly cannot do that with the closed bottom Layens hive.
Then the next time that you need to inspect the brood box is after the nectar flow for mites and small hive beetles and total colony health. At that time all the honey supers are gone and you are counting your money from the honey crop.
Further I don't see a single commercial beekeeper using Layens hive.
Commercial beekeepers are in for the money and if the Layens hive gave them an advantage they would certainly be using it.
It seems to me that the people that promotes the Layens hive over the
standard Langsthroth hive are exploiting the inexperienced beekeeper.
Hey Mark,
We used Langstroth for six years. The assessment made in this video demonstrated the differences we found between the two. We didn't wake up one day and decide we didn't want to use thousands of dollars in equipment (Langstroth hives) for something less useful. I don't really understand what you mean when you say "Horizontal Space is expensive, vertical space is free".
It sounds like you have a lot of experience with the Layens hives because you have strong opinions about the two, but since you were unable to find zero advantages it has I would say your knowledge of Layens is extremely limited.
I agree commercial beekeepers don't use our hive and that may be because our hive is less convenient to commercial beekeepers when stacking on trucks. I would also add that I would never want to emulate what commercial beekeepers do because towing bees all over the country spreading bee diseases and losing thousands of colonies is unethical. I pretty much view commercial beekeeping as how not to keep Bees, which is why were natural beekeepers.
I am not arguing, just telling my limited experience. Langstroth hive in vertical configuration is a very adaptable modular system that can be 'tuned' to a particular nectar flow. Honey boxes can easily [for strong persons] be lifted off for harvest. Inspections do require some lifting at certain times. A stationary horizontal format is a very easy type of hive to work for physically limited individuals. I'm not as young as I used to be, but I am still quite capable and find less heavy lifting with the horizontal hive more pleasurable to work. Once the hive is in place, you lift one frame at a time. Hives with screened bottom boards and pest trays can be inspected without cracking a single propolis seal. Yes, there are some different methods. Wintering in the south is different that the north. Insulation can affect how much honey the bees need to survive the winter. Insulation in more common in stationary hives than migratory beehives. All this and move can be of advantage or disadvantage to what you what to accomplish.