I could've made a video for each one of them. I knew Samplers would not get the same attention as Synths. But they deserve as much credit (if not more) than Synths. These machines really defined the sound of industrial music. I also just wanted to take the time to thank everybody that subscribed and interact with my content. It's REALLY appreciated and I love how Industrial music still resonates with people in 2024. THANK YOU!! 🤘
For anyone who hasn't listened to it before, check out PTP's "Show Me Your Spine", it was a Ministry and Skinny Puppy collaboration that was used on RoboCop. The track features the Fairlight's Orch sample being used and abused all over it.
I have an Ensoniq EPSm with a large box of official floppy disks full of sounds that came with it or were made for it. I bought it used from a Guitar Center back in the early 90's along with a Yamaha SY35 synth, and an Alesis SR-16 drum machine. Those three instruments combined made a great little industrial music setup. Prior to that, I was using a free tracker that I had downloaded off of a dial-up BBS called "ModEdit 3". Trackers are an awesome alternatives to having a full music setup, and many of them are free. And the modern free ones have more features than the ones I was using had.
Coil used the Fairlight to compose their two most industrial albums, Scatology and Horse Rotorvator. Both albums were produced by Clint Ruin/JG Thirlwell. Thirlwell used the Fairlight on all his early Foetus albums. The Mirage is a beast! I have three of them. The guitars on NIN's Broken were recorded to the bank of Akai S1000, then triggered with MIDI to form the songs. It was a slowed down sample from Ministry's Stigmata played on a S1000 that was the basis for Marilyn Manson's Antichrist Superstar.
The available VST plugin alternatives of these samplers are: - "CMI V" and "Emulator II V" are "Fairchild CMI" and "E-MU Emulator II" emulations made by Arturia. - "Morgana" is an "Ensoniq Mirage" emulation made by 112db. - "RX950 Classic AD/DA Converter" is a filter made by Inphonik which simulates the "Akai S950" sound grain.
We used to have a running joke on the LMNC discourse about how if you wanted a more authentic VST CMI experience, you could have a friend unplug your machine at random every few hours. Peter Gabriel and Nick Rhodes always used to complain about their reliability.
@@TonepusherDo check it out, in fact the company that does the RX 950 plugin also does an SP 1200 drum machine plugin as well and you can buy the two plugins as a bundle
Also the TAL-Sampler has a wide capability for sampler emulation - it emulates a bunch of different DAC chips as well as a couple different filter types. The DAC stuff is also provided as a standalone plugin. That inphonik plugin is fantastic.
yeah dude, don't EVER sell that haha computers just can't mimic that sound...I mean you couuuuld technically but it'll never be the same. It's just ''too clean'' haha
I can only agree. My first sampler was the Akai X7000. From there I moved to the Ensoniq EPS, EPS16+ and finally an ASR10. Still have that one down in the basement. Parked next to a EMAX. I still love those old samplers but it's way too time consuming these days. One day...
One of the coolest things about the EPS-16+ was the ability to still playback sounds while loading new banks. When we got towards the end of a song, I would pop a disk in and load the bank for the next song. Made everything seem seamless live. Just had to plan out where in the song I could manage physically grabbing right the disk and shoving it in. Didn't have a light on stage so I'd wait for the lights to be bright enough to see my disks. Good times. Awesome video! TY!!!
I have been watching your channel for a good few months but just realised it might be my favourite... there is not a video I don't watch, I grew up on EBM in the early 2000's and is my inspiration for producing in the first place so this is really the only channel that explores origins/writing of that kind of music. Thank you please never stop! If there is ever a request: Show us the sampling techniques of Velvet Acid Christ?
hey thanks alot man :) I also grew up with that music. I think it has sooo much history that deserves to be shared. I remember VaC used to have a website/blog where he was sharing a LOT of stuff in the early 2000's. Maybe it's still online somewhere.
When J.G Thirlwell went into the studio and used the whole time on a Fairlight, the resulting Foetus album Nail completely changed how I look at music. Listening now, the orchestra hit was overused but it was very exciting to me at the time. But when I built a studio, Ensoniq samplers were at the center of it all. I still love using them to this day. I didn’t care for the Mirage but the EPS was magic.
The work flow with hardware samplers is hard and slow, and that’s when the ideas and happy accidents occur. That’s why they are so much fun to use. I now have an ensoniq EPS16 plus and an Emu Emax rack, and I used to own a Mirage rack. Sometimes I love them and sometimes I want to throw them out thru the window
Another brilliant video. Original Industrial content is lacking on TH-cam, and you're keeping it alive. I really appreciate it. I had to get rid of all my gear and go completely digital due to living situations, but yeah, I miss hardware sampling as well. The sound is just different now. Also, I can't imagine why anyone, let alone 14 people, would downvote this. I love this channel. Keep doing what you're doing.
Hey thanks man! Well haters gonna hate 🤷🏻♂️ haha I don't care. There's gatekeepers in every scene haha I knew when I started making numbers (even if its not milions lol) that I would get hate just for talking about industrial lol The second (literally seconds) I release a video I get thumbs down 😂 I'm just sharing and making videos about something I love. I'm happy you appreciate 🤘🏻
I was never that found of Industrial music, but the way you have been putting its history throught its hardware really instigate curiosity. I was really missing out.
wow thank you 🙏🏻 I've always been that gear nerd that is like "did you know that they used this to do that etc etc.." haha I thought that combining the things I love would maybe resonate with people, history/gear/music. Industrial is full of history, I feel like it makes the music even better when knowing all that haha thanks again, your comment made my day 🙏🏻
nice! did you listen to the remixed/remastered version of Circle Of Dust stuff? Sounded pretty fuckin good 👌🏻 I like the fact that he bought the old gear back just to get the originals sounds.
Back in 88 I started recording at Eric Valentine's studio in Palo Alto and his setup was an S1000 and Atari 1040 ST. I later recreated that setup for my home demo studio for the band at the time. Knew that S1000 inside and out! Now I've got 2000 plugins that I know about 5% of in terms of their capabilities. Back then you had to squeeze every last bit out of that memory. AND we had a 20mb (megabyte) hard drive, lol! Later I worked for Ensoniq and they had a bunch of Mirage's sitting there in the warehouse. Picked one up and used it for several years. What a pain!
I had a Yamaha A3000 sampler back almost 30 years ago. I feel like nobody knows about it, yet alone had one. It could do a nasty/crunchy/gritty sound that I loved for `industrial` like sounds. Also, you could take a drum loop, and it had a slicer and randomizer that could rearrange a beat into dozens of great variations. (It was random, so of course some just sucked, but with a bit of patience you could find yourself some random `gold`.) Floppy disc transferring samples from your computer to (any) sampler back in the day stunk. With the A3000 (probably other samplers as well), you could replace the floppy drive with a ZIP drive (or something like that) and that helped, but the floppy drive was just a limitation of the times.
A3000 was used heavily by Atari Teenage Riot. Being able to map the sample start times to a knob made some intense noise. What was mainly used on 60 Second Wipeout.
I own a Mirage, which might seem unusable today, but it’s just too much fun. Moreover, by using the alternative operating system Soundprocess, the Mirage becomes a wavetable synth. It’s not just vintage fetishism; it’s truly a beautiful instrument. 😅
Fairlight CMI - One of the greatest creations to ever come from Sydney Australia! I don't think I could have survived without Ministry - The Land Of Rape & Honey was such a great album. Thanks Fairlight 🎉🎉🎉
Adrain Sherwood used Fairlight all over Twitch album. You can find the ROMs of the original sample library easily on the internet, and loading up the percussion with a little pitch shifting, you basically have Twitch's percussion (just add some saturation)
@ also it was the closest to a fairlight, as far as the video editing capabilities. You could hook up a screen to the Sampler and you could visually edit all your samples and sequence your songs as well all visually.
@ the S750 was a powerhouse of a sampler!!! A good friend of mine had the S750 , but it did have a learning curve. But in my opinion it was one of the best samplers for it price range!
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My first sampler was an Ensoniq EPS, I got in 1996 at a used music shop in Cleveland Ohio, it completely changed the way I made music, I was briefly in an industrial band in 1998-99 and my band mate had a Mirage, and I think he still has 2 of them to this day! By the way this is a great chanel! Keep up the good work! Cheers!
I loved my Mirage. I had the full complement of sounds, plus some of my own. I even had the later versions of MASOS that let you cross-blend samples at a frequency level - kind of a weird digital vocoder. It took forever to process. The sound of the Mirage was its analog filters… warm and crunchy.
Nice! Love the video! I had a Mirage, which I sold to buy my EPS. I sold my EPS a few years ago and do not miss it. Those were beautiful and visionary machines but they were also a PitA to work with and also e x p e n s i v e ! It's funny, I'm 2 hours from Chicago and always thought bands like Ministry were from Europe. lol.
I started off with an Akai S20. I really loved the sound of it, but I don't miss how tedious sample editing was back then. It's true that they all had their own unique character, but I think you can still create character using modern techniques. Ableton's time stretching feature doesn't sound like Logic's, for example. In the end, as much as I romanticize the old days with my hardware, I'm much more productive now and make better sounds with current tools.
oh for sure, I used to have TONS of synths and that's by far the period where I was making less music lol I think that Samplers like that are cool to create banks of loops or Drums that you can use later, re-sample etc... But you need to take the time haha
We all wanted Emulators II's but everyone had Mirages (or later, EPS). Honestly I think the world is better for it :) My friend still has our EPS he upgraded to from back then. It seemed like bands actually signed to labels *all* had the S900/S1000. It was ubiquitous, everywhere.
My first sampler? I still have it! An Ensoniq EPS! Got it from a trade. My only issue is that the Ensoniq just takes forever to boot into and honestly I'm tempted to do a Lotharek HXC Rev F update to it. Now I just use resampled samples, bitcrushed plugins on my MPC LIVE II. If I'm on computer, I'm using the ever reliable D16 Decimort or Arturia CMI or Arturia Emulator plugins to recreate those sounds and get those sexy Nyquist frequencies. Since then my Ensoniq's have been in a corner. Maybe one day I'll let it go to a new home, or just get it out to do the Lotharek upgrade and leave it on for days at a time again for music work. Its funny how modern noise makers spend so much money to capture these clean and crisp sounds, only to mess it up or make it sound like it was made with outdated technology to "get the perfect sound" when we could have just used what we had to begin with. Angelspit had a great video on making "found sound" samples, and how to upload on the emulators.
I also have one that I use for industrial. For the price it’s the best thing you can get that’s close to the Emulator and it’s also got all the right new features but still has that vintage grit.
@@BigMuff520 Def, my dude! The 12bit mode and high rez are equally awesome at it. Pick up one of the Vintage Movie Dialogue packs and you have immediate TKK/“Welcome to Paradise” era 242.
@@Tonepusher my S2400 is single-handedly the nicest piece of gear I own, and I feel like I stole it from Brad for the $950 pre-order price I got it for LOL Those of us that ordered the DSP card should be getting it soon-ish. It'll run ARM Linux plugins.
@Tonepusher In fact I believe Brad's actual Fairlight sold on reverb for around 20k. Some dude coughed up the doh and bought it. Maan I wish I was rich lol.
Arturia's plugin versions of these are the only things from V Collection I have on my computer anymore XD I have Isla's S2400 and use it exclusively in 12-bit/26kHz mode. It can also be adjusted to lower bit-depths for bit crushing, etc. The only old sampler I own is a Yamaha TX16W that some dipshit shipped to me packed so poorly it punched a hole in the box and the rack ears bent. I never did get it working, it won't read RAM and that's how it was sold to me. I assumed it had bad RAM (a common-ish issue) but never did get it running. Thanks for sharing! Old samplers are special and exploring how they sound when changing the pitch on things just hits different.
I still use an EPS 16+ and an E-Mu e64, they just sound great and the it userinterface leads to different sounds than i make with a software sampler although they‘re great too.
sick video cheers, there was the Anvil 2 on the fairlight for Terminator. but yeah so many of my favourite Artists used Fairlights. Coil , Kate Bush , Micheal Jackson , Peter Gabriel i guess the list goes on
Another incredible video! I'm hoping to get an Emax one day! The DSS-1 is also incredible but it doesn't seem like it was as widely used. Also I used to have a Mirage but the sound was actually tooooo dirty for me - which is crazy to type rn.
hahaha thanks man :) yeah I allllmost added the Emax in there, I love it. I agree the Mirage sound is ''dirty'', but I guess it depends on what type of music you want to do. I would totally buy a Mirage just to re-sample stuff with it haha
The big one missed out here are the Kurzweil K2000 series. Again, heavily used by NiN and several other Industrial acts. It's engine is able to really screw around with the samples, plus it had a great effects engine built into it. A pain to use though, but it's great for sample mangling.
hey! agreed! I had one around 2009. Great machine, huge synth haha I sold it because of what you said. Hard to use and integrate in a ''modern'' setup. But it really is a classic.
I used the Fairlight quite a bit on my first two albums but it was a PITA to maintain and it consumed a massive amount of energy. I sold it a few years ago, but i stick to my E2 now. Too bad that thing is always broken
@ I have an Ensoniq EPS 16+, a Kurzweil K2000, E-MU E5000 and a Akai MPC One. Each has a distinct flavor. They are not used much any more but I can’t bring myself to get rid of them! (Okay… I maybe could get rid of the mpc one 🤣)
Haha well I'll take that as a compliment. I'm almost 40 years old. We used those disks at school and also the home computer had that haha The sound that they make when you put it in lol Engraved in my head.
hey bro. I am a huge fan of your videos and I am learning alot. I was kinda wondering what would be a good synth to start out with that has a variety of sounds yet is digestible for a young beginner.
Hey thanks man! Well that's a good question. There's a LOT of options haha Especially with Behringer releasing synths at a very low price. I think you should go with that just to see if you like it first. The workflow with hardware synths is very different from softwares. The learning curve is easier with softwares I think. But to learn sound design it's pretty cool to have hardware. Sooo my choices would probably be: Behringer Model D (monophonic) Behringer Pro-800 (poly) A tiny bit more expensive the Korg Minilogue is a very good option to begin with. I think that would be my choice tbh.
YES!!! You've just confirmed a long standing theory I had about the guitars on LoRaH and Mind... being samples, especially the pitch bender on Stigmata!!!! A mate and I have been "arguing" about this for literally 2 decades Edit: I just passed on a $400 AUSTRALIAN Ensoniq Mirage😭😭😭😭 I should've put off my phone bill a few weeks lol
lolll! I'm happy I could help! I was also surprised to read that most guitar focused industrial songs from that era are samples. Most FLA from that time are also samples If I remember right. Pantera stuff I think 🤔
@@sweetspike thanks man, there's a lot of videos on youtube about the gear but not much about musicians who used it and the gear behind the tracks. As a musician THAT'S what I want to know haha
Over the past couple of years, I've collected more synth modules than some of the studios seen in this video. Which is probably a bit silly. Not to mention, a whole bunch of soft synths. But not a single sampler. In my collection is a Yamaha EX5, when Yamaha decided to dump everything they knew (except FM) into a synthesiser, including sampling. The experience is, well, not fun. Loading the full 64 MB of memory takes 45 minutes or so, which is a bit less than it took to copy around 1 TB of data between two SSDs. (350 MB/s). I'm old enough to remember cassette tapes as a storage medium, and floppy discs (first 5.25 inch, later 3.5 inch) were a bit improvement, but frankly still a pain in the arse. The only sampler that I might consider getting is an Akai S950, and only because I could connect it with a special cable to my Akai VX90. To get that old sound, consider using Kontakt and the RX950 plug-in, which can be had for $10 or so.
Yeah I have that plugin, I love it! Tbh with computers right now it's a non sense to buy an hardware sampler, EXCEPT if you want to add that extra flavor to the sound, which I would totally do haha
@@Tonepusher Alex Ball's channel, 5 Years Ago, with the action figures. Recently, he remade a bunch of Prodigy with Liam's actual hardware from a charity auction.
yeah that's it! but I don't think the soundtrack was composed ONLY on the Fairlight though. While composing the soundtrack he had also an Emulator ii which is listed on many websites and interviews. However it's true that it's almost entirely the Farlight.
In the “Industrial Accident” documentary, Al J reveals that most early RevCo songs are made of short 8-bar loops because they couldn’t figure out how to get to page 2 of the Fairlight sequencer. 😂
lol yeah, I often say that. Limitations=creativity! Most of the time we praise old school gear and artists for using obscure stuff. But in reality it's just what they had and what they could use haha We have too many choices right now. It's like choosing a movie on Netflix, too many choices haha I love happy ''accidents'' like that.
Can’t believe I hadn’t found this channel before - awesome stuff. I still use the Fairlight slap bass sound all the time - being a kid weened on Wax Trax. Incidentally I use it with the Manther designed by my friend Josh and indeed Paul Barker himself! Here’s a TG jam I use it one. th-cam.com/video/EkM3BDzL19Q/w-d-xo.htmlsi=xOrHMwQu2M6lQTVk
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I could've made a video for each one of them. I knew Samplers would not get the same attention as Synths. But they deserve as much credit (if not more) than Synths. These machines really defined the sound of industrial music.
I also just wanted to take the time to thank everybody that subscribed and interact with my content. It's REALLY appreciated and I love how Industrial music still resonates with people in 2024. THANK YOU!! 🤘
You should do one just for nine inch nails.
@@peiwei3873 that is actually a really good idea. Noted :)
I for one would love to see a video on things like the EPS 16+, which really isn't talked about enough IMHO
They deserve the same attention tho!
The first orchestral stab sounds like the one off of Depeche Mode's "People Are People"
For anyone who hasn't listened to it before, check out PTP's "Show Me Your Spine", it was a Ministry and Skinny Puppy collaboration that was used on RoboCop. The track features the Fairlight's Orch sample being used and abused all over it.
I have an Ensoniq EPSm with a large box of official floppy disks full of sounds that came with it or were made for it. I bought it used from a Guitar Center back in the early 90's along with a Yamaha SY35 synth, and an Alesis SR-16 drum machine. Those three instruments combined made a great little industrial music setup. Prior to that, I was using a free tracker that I had downloaded off of a dial-up BBS called "ModEdit 3". Trackers are an awesome alternatives to having a full music setup, and many of them are free. And the modern free ones have more features than the ones I was using had.
Dude that setup is perfect haha EPS Sy35 Alesis sr16 ... I mean, you could totally make an album with just that.
Thats a great setup!
Coil used the Fairlight to compose their two most industrial albums, Scatology and Horse Rotorvator. Both albums were produced by Clint Ruin/JG Thirlwell. Thirlwell used the Fairlight on all his early Foetus albums. The Mirage is a beast! I have three of them. The guitars on NIN's Broken were recorded to the bank of Akai S1000, then triggered with MIDI to form the songs. It was a slowed down sample from Ministry's Stigmata played on a S1000 that was the basis for Marilyn Manson's Antichrist Superstar.
Thanks for sharing! That sampled guitar technique is really cool. Three Mirage haha Do you still use it or it's just to collect them?
@Tonepusher All three are fully functional along with an Akai S900. They get regular use.
I was graced with the DSK1 back in the year 2000, the MONO version, hear they are quite rare. I have it in my closet, love that thing.
The available VST plugin alternatives of these samplers are:
- "CMI V" and "Emulator II V" are "Fairchild CMI" and "E-MU Emulator II" emulations made by Arturia.
- "Morgana" is an "Ensoniq Mirage" emulation made by 112db.
- "RX950 Classic AD/DA Converter" is a filter made by Inphonik which simulates the "Akai S950" sound grain.
Hey! thanks man. I didn't know the last one about the Akai S950. I'll check that out foooor sure haha
We used to have a running joke on the LMNC discourse about how if you wanted a more authentic VST CMI experience, you could have a friend unplug your machine at random every few hours. Peter Gabriel and Nick Rhodes always used to complain about their reliability.
@@TonepusherDo check it out, in fact the company that does the RX 950 plugin also does an SP 1200 drum machine plugin as well and you can buy the two plugins as a bundle
Kurzweil K2000 is probably last synth/sampler which is hard to emulate
Also the TAL-Sampler has a wide capability for sampler emulation - it emulates a bunch of different DAC chips as well as a couple different filter types. The DAC stuff is also provided as a standalone plugin.
That inphonik plugin is fantastic.
That's why I still hang on to my maxed out E-mu E4X and my Kawai R50e. I just love that vintage sound.
yeah dude, don't EVER sell that haha computers just can't mimic that sound...I mean you couuuuld technically but it'll never be the same. It's just ''too clean'' haha
that was a game changer for me, when I realized that all my favorite industrial bands used sampled guitars; great video as always
Haha same! yeah a lot of late 80s early 90s industrial is all sampled guitars. Live they would play them, but in the studio it's all sampling haha
I can only agree. My first sampler was the Akai X7000. From there I moved to the Ensoniq EPS, EPS16+ and finally an ASR10. Still have that one down in the basement. Parked next to a EMAX. I still love those old samplers but it's way too time consuming these days. One day...
haha yeah I think they gave soul to the sounds, but it was hard to work with lol
One of the coolest things about the EPS-16+ was the ability to still playback sounds while loading new banks. When we got towards the end of a song, I would pop a disk in and load the bank for the next song. Made everything seem seamless live. Just had to plan out where in the song I could manage physically grabbing right the disk and shoving it in. Didn't have a light on stage so I'd wait for the lights to be bright enough to see my disks. Good times.
Awesome video! TY!!!
haha thanks man! Never tried the EPS16+ !! Thats a very useful feature for live shows.
I have been watching your channel for a good few months but just realised it might be my favourite... there is not a video I don't watch, I grew up on EBM in the early 2000's and is my inspiration for producing in the first place so this is really the only channel that explores origins/writing of that kind of music. Thank you please never stop! If there is ever a request: Show us the sampling techniques of Velvet Acid Christ?
hey thanks alot man :) I also grew up with that music. I think it has sooo much history that deserves to be shared.
I remember VaC used to have a website/blog where he was sharing a LOT of stuff in the early 2000's. Maybe it's still online somewhere.
I was kind of thinking the same thing this week. “Isn’t it about time for another Tonepusher?”
When J.G Thirlwell went into the studio and used the whole time on a Fairlight, the resulting Foetus album Nail completely changed how I look at music. Listening now, the orchestra hit was overused but it was very exciting to me at the time.
But when I built a studio, Ensoniq samplers were at the center of it all. I still love using them to this day. I didn’t care for the Mirage but the EPS was magic.
Tonepusher is the greatest resource for Aggrotech and Industrial Metal I have ever found. Love this company and their products. Top notch.
The work flow with hardware samplers is hard and slow, and that’s when the ideas and happy accidents occur. That’s why they are so much fun to use. I now have an ensoniq EPS16 plus and an Emu Emax rack, and I used to own a Mirage rack. Sometimes I love them and sometimes I want to throw them out thru the window
lol I feel your pain. However like you said sometimes limitations=creativity!
I prefer minimalist setups to compose. It's forces you to be creative.
I’m late but love knowing how this music is done. It’s an old love affair with industrial music that’s recently returned to my life.
haha nice! yeah there's a lot of history behind that music.
Thanks for the look back This was great
hey np 🤘🏻😁
Another brilliant video. Original Industrial content is lacking on TH-cam, and you're keeping it alive. I really appreciate it. I had to get rid of all my gear and go completely digital due to living situations, but yeah, I miss hardware sampling as well. The sound is just different now. Also, I can't imagine why anyone, let alone 14 people, would downvote this. I love this channel. Keep doing what you're doing.
Hey thanks man! Well haters gonna hate 🤷🏻♂️ haha I don't care. There's gatekeepers in every scene haha I knew when I started making numbers (even if its not milions lol) that I would get hate just for talking about industrial lol The second (literally seconds) I release a video I get thumbs down 😂
I'm just sharing and making videos about something I love. I'm happy you appreciate 🤘🏻
I was never that found of Industrial music, but the way you have been putting its history throught its hardware really instigate curiosity. I was really missing out.
wow thank you 🙏🏻 I've always been that gear nerd that is like "did you know that they used this to do that etc etc.." haha I thought that combining the things I love would maybe resonate with people, history/gear/music. Industrial is full of history, I feel like it makes the music even better when knowing all that haha thanks again, your comment made my day 🙏🏻
Thank you so much for this! Been waiting for a good industrial vocal tutorial
First industrial record i got was Circle of Dust / Brinchild in 93. I was 14. Got me in to Skinny Puppy, Blade Runner, the Abyss etc…and music making
nice! did you listen to the remixed/remastered version of Circle Of Dust stuff? Sounded pretty fuckin good 👌🏻 I like the fact that he bought the old gear back just to get the originals sounds.
Back in 88 I started recording at Eric Valentine's studio in Palo Alto and his setup was an S1000 and Atari 1040 ST. I later recreated that setup for my home demo studio for the band at the time. Knew that S1000 inside and out! Now I've got 2000 plugins that I know about 5% of in terms of their capabilities. Back then you had to squeeze every last bit out of that memory. AND we had a 20mb (megabyte) hard drive, lol! Later I worked for Ensoniq and they had a bunch of Mirage's sitting there in the warehouse. Picked one up and used it for several years. What a pain!
yeah there's TOO many plugins right now lol
@@Tonepusher you got that right!
I had a Yamaha A3000 sampler back almost 30 years ago. I feel like nobody knows about it, yet alone had one. It could do a nasty/crunchy/gritty sound that I loved for `industrial` like sounds. Also, you could take a drum loop, and it had a slicer and randomizer that could rearrange a beat into dozens of great variations. (It was random, so of course some just sucked, but with a bit of patience you could find yourself some random `gold`.) Floppy disc transferring samples from your computer to (any) sampler back in the day stunk. With the A3000 (probably other samplers as well), you could replace the floppy drive with a ZIP drive (or something like that) and that helped, but the floppy drive was just a limitation of the times.
yeah Floppy discs looks cool now, but it wasn't THAT cool 😂 Humans forget easily haha
A3000 was used heavily by Atari Teenage Riot. Being able to map the sample start times to a knob made some intense noise. What was mainly used on 60 Second Wipeout.
Had one too! It almost bankrupted me as a young adult eventhoig it was considered cheap compared to other samplers, it was a very capable instrument.
Roland W30 - workstation of the Prodigy and secondly it has a cool sequencer that is accurate and fast
I own a Mirage, which might seem unusable today, but it’s just too much fun. Moreover, by using the alternative operating system Soundprocess, the Mirage becomes a wavetable synth. It’s not just vintage fetishism; it’s truly a beautiful instrument. 😅
haha 100% !! I think from all the samplers in the video the Mirage has the best sound IMO
@@Tonepusher 😉
Fairlight CMI - One of the greatest creations to ever come from Sydney Australia! I don't think I could have survived without Ministry - The Land Of Rape & Honey was such a great album. Thanks Fairlight 🎉🎉🎉
💯💯!! haha that thing is responsible for a LOT of good memories haha 🙏🏻
Adrain Sherwood used Fairlight all over Twitch album. You can find the ROMs of the original sample library easily on the internet, and loading up the percussion with a little pitch shifting, you basically have Twitch's percussion (just add some saturation)
Exactly! that's exactly what I did this morning haha maybe a video about it would be cool :) That first track on Twitch is a Fairlight showcase lol
One sampler that I used and hardly no one mentions it, is the Roland S-50. 12 bit sampler it kicked major ass back in 1986!
Interesting! I don't know much about it. I'll check that out for sure.
@ also it was the closest to a fairlight, as far as the video editing capabilities. You could hook up a screen to the Sampler and you could visually edit all your samples and sequence your songs as well all visually.
I had an S750 in '94. Hell of a thing - great filters, envelopes. And a VGA monitor. Pissed all over my S1000.
@ the S750 was a powerhouse of a sampler!!! A good friend of mine had the S750 , but it did have a learning curve. But in my opinion it was one of the best samplers for it price range!
My first sampler was an Ensoniq EPS, I got in 1996 at a used music shop in Cleveland Ohio, it completely changed the way I made music, I was briefly in an industrial band in 1998-99 and my band mate had a Mirage, and I think he still has 2 of them to this day!
By the way this is a great chanel! Keep up the good work!
Cheers!
haha nice! what was the band name? thanks a lot man 🤘
@@Tonepusher Berlin-Black, we were a basic late 90s Skinny Puppy ripoff. lol.
I loved my Mirage. I had the full complement of sounds, plus some of my own. I even had the later versions of MASOS that let you cross-blend samples at a frequency level - kind of a weird digital vocoder. It took forever to process. The sound of the Mirage was its analog filters… warm and crunchy.
Seen Skinny Puppy three times live, what a ride what a trip 😉
yeah they were sooo good live haha
Nice! Love the video! I had a Mirage, which I sold to buy my EPS. I sold my EPS a few years ago and do not miss it. Those were beautiful and visionary machines but they were also a PitA to work with and also e x p e n s i v e ! It's funny, I'm 2 hours from Chicago and always thought bands like Ministry were from Europe. lol.
haha yeah there's something about industrial bands that everyone thinks that they're from Europe. Skinny Puppy and FLA are Canadians! 🤘
So thankful I have a Mirage, that thing is industrial grit. Used it on my early albums.
nice haha what's your band? ngl I would probably still use it today just to re-sample drums
@@Tonepusher just solo artist.
The Fairlight Orc sample is the Tony Hawk Pro Skater Special Trick sound I think.
I have to look that up. Makes sense though haha I can totaly hear it. I played that game soooo many times.
I started off with an Akai S20. I really loved the sound of it, but I don't miss how tedious sample editing was back then. It's true that they all had their own unique character, but I think you can still create character using modern techniques. Ableton's time stretching feature doesn't sound like Logic's, for example. In the end, as much as I romanticize the old days with my hardware, I'm much more productive now and make better sounds with current tools.
oh for sure, I used to have TONS of synths and that's by far the period where I was making less music lol
I think that Samplers like that are cool to create banks of loops or Drums that you can use later, re-sample etc... But you need to take the time haha
We all wanted Emulators II's but everyone had Mirages (or later, EPS). Honestly I think the world is better for it :)
My friend still has our EPS he upgraded to from back then.
It seemed like bands actually signed to labels *all* had the S900/S1000. It was ubiquitous, everywhere.
100% Akais S were everywhere! I wish the Eii was cheaper haha
My first sampler? I still have it! An Ensoniq EPS! Got it from a trade. My only issue is that the Ensoniq just takes forever to boot into and honestly I'm tempted to do a Lotharek HXC Rev F update to it. Now I just use resampled samples, bitcrushed plugins on my MPC LIVE II. If I'm on computer, I'm using the ever reliable D16 Decimort or Arturia CMI or Arturia Emulator plugins to recreate those sounds and get those sexy Nyquist frequencies. Since then my Ensoniq's have been in a corner. Maybe one day I'll let it go to a new home, or just get it out to do the Lotharek upgrade and leave it on for days at a time again for music work.
Its funny how modern noise makers spend so much money to capture these clean and crisp sounds, only to mess it up or make it sound like it was made with outdated technology to "get the perfect sound" when we could have just used what we had to begin with.
Angelspit had a great video on making "found sound" samples, and how to upload on the emulators.
lol true! now that we have 100% clean sounds we want to destroy it 😂 Back then people wanted that clean sound hehe
I love my Isla S-2400. It's like a colorful SP-12 that can be an Emulator too. Keep on cranking out the good stuff!
I also have one that I use for industrial. For the price it’s the best thing you can get that’s close to the Emulator and it’s also got all the right new features but still has that vintage grit.
you guys got me interested in that S4000 🤔 I'll look that up haha
@@BigMuff520 Def, my dude! The 12bit mode and high rez are equally awesome at it. Pick up one of the Vintage Movie Dialogue packs and you have immediate TKK/“Welcome to Paradise” era 242.
@@Tonepusher Do it-the camera loves it.
@@Tonepusher my S2400 is single-handedly the nicest piece of gear I own, and I feel like I stole it from Brad for the $950 pre-order price I got it for LOL Those of us that ordered the DSP card should be getting it soon-ish. It'll run ARM Linux plugins.
The Fairlight 3 was used to make the amazing Terminator 2 soundtrack :)
yes it was the main instrument
@Tonepusher In fact I believe Brad's actual Fairlight sold on reverb for around 20k. Some dude coughed up the doh and bought it. Maan I wish I was rich lol.
EPS16+ was my first "real sampler" I miss the sound of that thing, esp for percussion.
Arturia's plugin versions of these are the only things from V Collection I have on my computer anymore XD
I have Isla's S2400 and use it exclusively in 12-bit/26kHz mode. It can also be adjusted to lower bit-depths for bit crushing, etc.
The only old sampler I own is a Yamaha TX16W that some dipshit shipped to me packed so poorly it punched a hole in the box and the rack ears bent. I never did get it working, it won't read RAM and that's how it was sold to me. I assumed it had bad RAM (a common-ish issue) but never did get it running.
Thanks for sharing! Old samplers are special and exploring how they sound when changing the pitch on things just hits different.
lol yeah ngl I 99% of the time use V Collection OR Serum. Thinking of buying an old school sampler just to add that extra texture to samples though.
I still use an EPS 16+ and an E-Mu e64, they just sound great and the it userinterface leads to different sounds than i make with a software sampler although they‘re great too.
yeah software is easy to use and fast, but theres something about hardware that you can't replace. The workflow is totally different.
sick video cheers, there was the Anvil 2 on the fairlight for Terminator. but yeah so many of my favourite Artists used Fairlights. Coil , Kate Bush , Micheal Jackson , Peter Gabriel i guess the list goes on
haha yeah that Anvil sound is a classic. It was copied so many times in other movies.
@@Tonepusher definitive industrial hit ! that reminds me you can get pretty close with the Roland R8 for such deep metalic like hits
@@MorbidManoeuvres true! the R8 is one of my favorite drum machine ever. Lots of GREAT drum kits for industrial on it.
Another incredible video! I'm hoping to get an Emax one day! The DSS-1 is also incredible but it doesn't seem like it was as widely used. Also I used to have a Mirage but the sound was actually tooooo dirty for me - which is crazy to type rn.
hahaha thanks man :) yeah I allllmost added the Emax in there, I love it. I agree the Mirage sound is ''dirty'', but I guess it depends on what type of music you want to do. I would totally buy a Mirage just to re-sample stuff with it haha
Looooove these sounds 👌🏽 🔥
classics! haha
Thanks you so much for your awesome video again 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
hey thanks for the support 🤘🏻
Great vid! Nice work
hey thanks man :)
The big one missed out here are the Kurzweil K2000 series. Again, heavily used by NiN and several other Industrial acts. It's engine is able to really screw around with the samples, plus it had a great effects engine built into it. A pain to use though, but it's great for sample mangling.
hey! agreed! I had one around 2009. Great machine, huge synth haha I sold it because of what you said. Hard to use and integrate in a ''modern'' setup. But it really is a classic.
I used the Fairlight quite a bit on my first two albums but it was a PITA to maintain and it consumed a massive amount of energy. I sold it a few years ago, but i stick to my E2 now. Too bad that thing is always broken
Orchestral sample reminded me of Twitch by Ministry, I believe in a title track.
haha yeah 100% that album is FULL of fairlight samples. Probably my fav Ministry album along LORAH
@@Tonepusher the orchestra sample was of course used by Afrika Bombaataa and the Soul Sonic Force in Planet Rock.
@@Tonepusher Same thing
Just the video I have been waiting on!!!
haha 🤘🏻 had a lot of fun making it. Can't talk about Industrial without talkig about Samplers!! hehe
@ I have an Ensoniq EPS 16+, a Kurzweil K2000, E-MU E5000 and a Akai MPC One. Each has a distinct flavor. They are not used much any more but I can’t bring myself to get rid of them! (Okay… I maybe could get rid of the mpc one 🤣)
@@ericscorpse yeah haha keep em! I mean just to re-sample stuff I think it worth it 100%
Love your videos
hey! thanks man :) 🤘
Great Video. brought back a lot of memories!!!! I do think you are too young to remember those 5 inch discs. LOL.
Haha well I'll take that as a compliment. I'm almost 40 years old. We used those disks at school and also the home computer had that haha The sound that they make when you put it in lol Engraved in my head.
The Fairlight Orc sample is in the start of New Order - Bizarre Love Triangle
And they used the emulator 1 and 2 like crazy
true! right after the first chorus hehe 🤘 I LOVE New Order
I miss my old S1000 ! What a beast ! So much I DONT miss too Lol .
lolll yeah it's the tiny screen that I don't miss
Hey! May i ask what DAW are you you using in your videos?
I'm using Cubase!
Still have one of my Akai S950's It has lasted from 1989 until now. with only a screen replacement! Blimey...
Good Video , keep it up!
hey thanks 🤘🏻
Still using my Akai S6000 with SD-Card, best sampler ever!
that one is sexy af haha I wish I could try it. Does it "change" the character of the sound?
hey bro. I am a huge fan of your videos and I am learning alot. I was kinda wondering what would be a good synth to start out with that has a variety of sounds yet is digestible for a young beginner.
Hey thanks man! Well that's a good question. There's a LOT of options haha Especially with Behringer releasing synths at a very low price. I think you should go with that just to see if you like it first.
The workflow with hardware synths is very different from softwares. The learning curve is easier with softwares I think.
But to learn sound design it's pretty cool to have hardware. Sooo my choices would probably be:
Behringer Model D (monophonic)
Behringer Pro-800 (poly)
A tiny bit more expensive the Korg Minilogue is a very good option to begin with. I think that would be my choice tbh.
@Tonepusher thanks man I appreciate it. I am a huge fan of industrial music so I'd love to expierment with more electronic music
@@0dd1ty399 hey anytime man :) 🤘
YES!!! You've just confirmed a long standing theory I had about the guitars on LoRaH and Mind... being samples, especially the pitch bender on Stigmata!!!!
A mate and I have been "arguing" about this for literally 2 decades
Edit: I just passed on a $400 AUSTRALIAN Ensoniq Mirage😭😭😭😭
I should've put off my phone bill a few weeks lol
lolll! I'm happy I could help! I was also surprised to read that most guitar focused industrial songs from that era are samples. Most FLA from that time are also samples If I remember right. Pantera stuff I think 🤔
" Where You At Now / Crash + Burn / Twitch II " - Ministry (Fairlight)
1:11 omg It's the sound
lol THE sound, the one to rule them all
If I'm not mistaken, the same sound in Planet Rock track on the Swordfish Soundtrack?
I love your videos
hey glad you like them :) thanks for commenting 🤘
@ really like how you not only get into the gear and the sonics, but also the order of operations of who came first and what came first
@@sweetspike thanks man, there's a lot of videos on youtube about the gear but not much about musicians who used it and the gear behind the tracks. As a musician THAT'S what I want to know haha
@ thank you
Over the past couple of years, I've collected more synth modules than some of the studios seen in this video. Which is probably a bit silly. Not to mention, a whole bunch of soft synths. But not a single sampler.
In my collection is a Yamaha EX5, when Yamaha decided to dump everything they knew (except FM) into a synthesiser, including sampling. The experience is, well, not fun. Loading the full 64 MB of memory takes 45 minutes or so, which is a bit less than it took to copy around 1 TB of data between two SSDs. (350 MB/s). I'm old enough to remember cassette tapes as a storage medium, and floppy discs (first 5.25 inch, later 3.5 inch) were a bit improvement, but frankly still a pain in the arse.
The only sampler that I might consider getting is an Akai S950, and only because I could connect it with a special cable to my Akai VX90.
To get that old sound, consider using Kontakt and the RX950 plug-in, which can be had for $10 or so.
Yeah I have that plugin, I love it! Tbh with computers right now it's a non sense to buy an hardware sampler, EXCEPT if you want to add that extra flavor to the sound, which I would totally do haha
There's an awesome video about how the Terminator soundtrack was composed on the Fairlight floating around TH-cam somewhere
I THINK I might've watched that a long time ago. I don't remember the channel though
@@Tonepusher th-cam.com/video/nnpYowxlwsU/w-d-xo.html ?
@@Tonepusher Alex Ball's channel, 5 Years Ago, with the action figures. Recently, he remade a bunch of Prodigy with Liam's actual hardware from a charity auction.
yeah that's it! but I don't think the soundtrack was composed ONLY on the Fairlight though. While composing the soundtrack he had also an Emulator ii which is listed on many websites and interviews. However it's true that it's almost entirely the Farlight.
You look good for someone who used 5.25 floppy back in the day 😉
lol thank you? I guess? 😂 I'm 40 so yes I did use floppy discs. First games I played were on these.
Heard the 1st sample in electronic dance group 2 Ulimited ?
Instant Terminator II soundtrack B) (commented on first minutes 😅)
haha yeah that thing sounds soooo good! 🤘
In the “Industrial Accident” documentary, Al J reveals that most early RevCo songs are made of short 8-bar loops because they couldn’t figure out how to get to page 2 of the Fairlight sequencer. 😂
lol yeah, I often say that. Limitations=creativity!
Most of the time we praise old school gear and artists for using obscure stuff. But in reality it's just what they had and what they could use haha We have too many choices right now.
It's like choosing a movie on Netflix, too many choices haha
I love happy ''accidents'' like that.
@ of course, one has to always take into account that Al was also an inveterate bullshitter.
T2 was made on a fairlite.
yeah it was made almost entirely on the fairlight
I thought T2 was all Fairlight. You can buy the unit.
yeah MOST of it was the Fairlight
orch_hit: Every Freestyle Electro track ever
lol there's samples like that, that creates a whole genre.
the Mirage is filthy
haha 100%, but in a good way 🤘
Al Ministry from Jourgensen is now canon
HAHAHA 🤪
I miss my Emu ESI32
"NEXT WEEK: The drumsticks used by industrial bands."
genius idea!
Planet Rock
Can’t believe I hadn’t found this channel before - awesome stuff. I still use the Fairlight slap bass sound all the time - being a kid weened on Wax Trax. Incidentally I use it with the Manther designed by my friend Josh and indeed Paul Barker himself! Here’s a TG jam I use it one. th-cam.com/video/EkM3BDzL19Q/w-d-xo.htmlsi=xOrHMwQu2M6lQTVk
Oh look, a video where you DIDN'T mention Rammstein! You also totally glossed over the Emax, as well as the K2000.
Just for you, next time I will ♥️
p-s: they used the ASR10
Des i got a C64
And Koala Sampler beats them all. Sample time is infinite and it even comes with FX channels!
Borrrriiiinnnng
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loll in my head, that image has a sound
This bands not even close to industrial.
Industrial ended in 1982.
Judging from your name, closer to 1991 for you
You guys are all wrong, music ended with Mozart in 1761. Anything after that is all poser garbage.
You, posers, never heard about Genesis P Orridge proclamation about industrial and post-industrial era? Shame on you.
A song cannot be "iconic," nor can any sound at all, for that matter.
Only Imagery is iconic - i.e., a person or thing whose Image is famous, usu. with the implication that it has become emblematic. (The word Icon, in orginal Greek, MEANS Image.)
In addition to being the most overused word on TH-cam, Iconic is also, by far, the most MISused - misusers seeming to believe it means simply "widely known," "instantly recognizable," "memorable," etc., without specific and sole reference to imagery. Increasingly, too, it is being employed, mistakenly, as a simple synonym of "very famous."
This case of misuse has spiraled due to the TH-cam Feedback Loop - wherein video-makers parrot and propagate each other's speech errors.
A troubling consequence of such wide misuse is that dictionaries - as a matter of long-held policy (now in need of revision in this age of the viral Internet, for obvious reasons) - will update definitions to reflect vernacular usage, setting up a slippery slope towards our language's ultimate debasement.
That's an Iconic comment