I actually got a bit disappointed at first when 2016 was announced and wasn’t horror oriented, I liked 3 that much. Obviously after playing it I liked it a lot, but I really liked the idea of doom for being a horror game.
@@k1ler4m the world and lore works just as good as a horror game as it does an action shooter. I would like it honestly if they went back and forth from now on.
I can say the same thing for resident evil 4 and 5. 4 was very horror driven and filed with dread whereas part 5 was a run and gun feeling type of game.
Nobody born after these times will understand just how revolutionary this moment was in gaming. There were always leaps in quality and still are, but THIS..
Doom 3 was so mind blowing like when the original Doom came out. I do remember how amazed I was with this game, I sat down at my friends gaming pc and played the game start to end for 8 hours at least. He just went to work and when he came back I had nearly beaten the game haha
@@casedistorted I remember the Hyper magazine review of Doom 3 back when it came out. "We all knew Doom 3 was going to be good. But we didn't think it was going to be _this_ good." Sure, it may look unimpressive to kids these days, but this was a generational leap at the time.
I tend to agree. Doom 3 pioneered normal mapping and specular which was pretty much a staple of the shiny surfaces of the xbox 360 era. Only issue is half life 2 came out like right after this and many considered it just as technically impressive and a far superior gameplay.
I'll never forget listening to the radio comms after things start going south and all the chaos and screaming and terror. It was an awesome thing to experience for the first time way back in 2004/5.
I played the game when it came out and it was insanely scary. I would complete one level a day at best because I'd be too scared to proceed. When you reach that checkpoint and finish a level it's such a huge relief and getting back out there was too much.
Totaly agree with you, i had the same experience with Doom 3. I finished the game. The only game that came close to Doom3's fear level was Dead Space for me. The first one.
Doom 3 is one of those games that I have massive respect for. Definitely underrated in the Doom franchise. I'm glad they switched things up, even if it polarized the fanbase and we probably won't see anything like this in doom again.
Doom 2016 en Eternal are the worst doom I've ever gotten to play and I consider both titels to be a huge disappointment. Doom 3 has made such an impact on me, it's heartbreaking how we'll never get to see a remake like it.
Despite loving all the other Doom-games, this is actually my favorite. Perhaps because it always feels real and grounded, much like Half-Life/HL2. Doom 1/2/4 are mostly about learning to most effectively eliminate everything that moves, which is challenging like a sport is. Doom3 is more about soaking in the atmosphere and story.
It's so good in VR too. Feels very natural to navigate through which is a testament to how well integrated into the game it was back then. Just a seamless tool
Couldn't agree more. The best looking and sounding weapon in any first person shooter imo. The way those projectiles illuminated the hallways, the way the weapon itself illuminated a surface when you got really close to it, the reload sound etc etc...10/10 really...
This is an exciting time. We were there when those things came into existence. The late 90s to the mid 2000's was the birth of a new era of technology. If you grew up with DOS games, this was unlike anything you have ever seen before. It was so wild.
8-bit 16-bit 32-bit 64-bit and EGA to VGA/SVGA more colors, sidescrollers to 2½D shooters to full 3D with graphics acceleration to photorealistic textures, I hope we get to see another AAA gaming crash to relive those days - no microtransactions, pure genious
So many people forget that the original DooM WAS scary. It absolutely integrated horror elements: jumpscares, traps, spooky music with both fast AND slow tracks, ambient growls, monster roars, terrifying locales, flickering lights and monsters lurking in shadows-- the works. In the 90s, a full playthrough of DooM could be a very scary game.
My dad told me once when I was much younger that in E1M8 when the Barons popped out scared the bejesus out of him when he first played it in ‘93. It may be archaic now but those original games were pretty chilling in their own right back in the day
I still think it's interesting that, when it first came out, all of the criticism directed at DOOM3 was how it was *too similar* to the first two games. The monster closets, the "keycards" in the form of PDA clearance to open doors, the pacing. People said it was too much like the old games and didn't do enough to change with the times. Nowadays, the main criticism DOOM3 gets is due to how different it was from the first two games. Or at least how people imagine the first two games were like. The old DOOM games were not as fast paced and arcade-like as people remember. Doom 2016 and the "Brutal DOOM" mod for the original games have reinforced this idea that the old DOOM games were fast paced, non-stop action. And sure, like this video points out, the opening chapters of DOOM3 take things slower, the game overall does build to that more frantic action similar to the older games. In some ways, it feels more like the original DOOM games than it's 2016 counterpart, and Doom Eternal.
Fun fact that actually Carmack and many others are voice actors in the pda audio logs. I think it’s a cool feature. It’s crazy how small the budget was probably vs how much the game actually made. 👏
There is nothing that comes close to the atmosphere/horror of Doom 3. I know it had cheap scares but the ambient sound effects, the creatures and setting itself remains unsurpassed. Doom 2016 didn't even come close to Doom 3s fantastic atmosphere....
Oh man what id give for the same with original Quake. The first time I booted up GL Quake with my 12mbVoodoo2.....👌 Loved Quake 2 sure... But Quake is something else. A few months ago NIN released the soundtrack on nice thick vinyl. It STILL is a wonderfully dark piece that works so well with the aesthetic of the game. The weird mash of Lovecraftian/Medieval/Hell/sci Fi is something I have never seen since really. I'm just after buying Doom3 on Switch as I type this. Sure the 3rd time I've bought the game but I am gonna have a blast playing this out of the dock
True! Light and shadow plays nicely, and the sound design, too. It was stellar and still is. Only the low-poly count models reveal the age really. And that it runs smoothly even with older rigs :D
Doom 3 was one of the reasons why I started gaming, even to this day, Doom 3 had it's flaws but brings back nostalgia every time! Coming home after school and play it all afternoon and night to scare myself lol 😆
I would absolutely love a Doom spin off where you play as a regular marine but with Doom 3 style gameplay. EDIT: To all the people replying saying "So doom 3, you would like doom 3." Yes...that was the point of my comment you dense cabbage. I want more doom 3.
@@hummens44 Yeah. He said he wanted a new doom spin off game with Doom 3 style of gameplay so I guess he litterally described Doom 3? I want a new doom game with similar gameplay too.
Doom 3 over time has become not just my favorite Doom game but my favorite FPS game period. I've played all the Doom games many times & lots of Brutal Doom. But there is just something so unique about Doom 3 on nightmare difficulty especially playing after midnight, all the lights out, & headphones on. It's maybe not scary per se to me but it's very tense. It's combat that I have come to call "ambush survival". You're always outnumbered, alone in the dark, with unending ambushes coming at you from multiple directions. It's always unfair. It's perfect. Doom 3 on nightmare difficulty is the perfect FPS game to me.
I recommend playing Resurrection of Evil without using the Artifact for anything but the slowmo puzzles in the beginning and the Betruger fight at the end. Makes the combat a lot more exciting!
This fucking intro was just perfect. Like, if ever there was to be even ONE video made about the historical significance of DooM 3, what it accomplished, or what it felt like for me to play for the first time all those years ago, it was the first couple minutes of this fucking video. When you said “Doom 3” and the main theme dropped, which I always waited to hear when booting the game up because of how badass it was, I literally just fucking smiled and chuckled. I dunno, I haven’t even seen 2 full minutes into the video and I’m already subscribing. You nailed it.
Also, they went for more of a survival horror approach, an it worked. This coming from an OG Resident Evil fan, who played the original on Saturn all the way to re4 remake. It had you checking corners an waiting to see movement before entering a new room. Not a failure. Just different.
Chris Vrenna is the man! I recently got the original Quake soundtrack vinyl. At the last minute Id stopped the printing of the booklet but Trent released the file. Chris has a long history with Doom/Quake.
HL 2 was released shortly after and it's graphics were better, it's game play was better, and it was also better at being a horror game. doom 3 was a glorified tech demo, because Techno wizard JC don't know how to actually make an enjoyable game.
I remember being scared when playing this as a kid, but it was so good that I just couldnt stop playing...and I had to play at nigth with no ligths hidden from my parents 🤣
Doom 1 & 2 were entertaining shooters with a great concept. Doom 2016 and Eternal took that idea of one man against all of hell to the max. But for me it was Doom 3 that truly brought the frightening aspect of the story. A real masterpiece.
Wait what? They really called the bad guy "Dr. Betrüger"? :D That literally means "cheater/swindler" in German. Could have just called him "Mister Evil" at that point. :D
I did not grow up with original doom and only played it much later on my xbox360. Doom3 was the first doom i played thoroughly. And to be honest I have a deeper love for doom3. I remember debating with the oldschoolers that was dissatisfied with doom3. 😄 I think the fundamental viewpoints we held was to different for us to be able to understand each other. One strange thing that was gone in the BFG edition, was the ability to stack bodies. In original Doom3 the bodies of zombies and z-secs would pile up if they died next to each other. In the Bfg edition the bodies phase through each other which is weird. 🤔
Your title is a play on words that is understood as your analysis evolves. It's very clever. You said it in the title, you said it once, and then "to remember, the horror comes first". This naturally caused me to think that you meant the developers prioritized the horror element over the action, but now coming towards the end of the video I realized your point: the game starts out more like a horror game, then gradually evolves into a more action oriented game akin to its predecessors. The horror comes first. Well done. Subscribed.
Great video as always, KIRK! DOOM 3 is my favorite survival horror FPS. It was interesting seeing your takes on it, always coming from a place of understanding each side of the criticisms. You really deserve more views and subscribers, cuz this is top-notch content! Some corrections: * Wolfenstein 3D came out in 1992. * RAGE came out in 2011.
I love that the Hell Knight design from this was carried into D16 and Eternal. even the OST from D3 was brought over. the team behind Eternal and 2016 also had love for D3 too.
Haha yes technically it does, but I’m referring to a story based single player campaign like in its predecessors. Not a series of matches against bots.
I played OG Doom 3 at release and it certainly was tense, the dynamic lighting, slower more methodical nature and just being a young kid, it was scary and stressful. But i finished it!
I always preferred the aspect of a average human having to face off against overwhelming paranormal forces beyond understanding the doom universe fits both the power fantasy and survival horror I really hope we get another doom game like this. To me its more badass having survived a hellish engagement then painting the town red. I always prefer the demons to be imposing and power the way doom 3 presented lastly the art of hell in doom 3 has not been surpassed best incarnation of hell to date monster design as well was top notch.
The first 2 minutes are really effective. i was completely sold into the video :) I have no doubt it will end to be a excelent video from beginning to end!
It's also the aesthetics (ambiance) and the awesome shadow and light rendering doom 3 and games like fear had. Not only good for horror but for all games. I don't know why but these hard shadows look really realistic and complimentary.
This was a great retro, clear, concise and kept my attention the whole way through, plus it helps I love Doom 3. I'll be checking out the rest of your content. Great stuff!
i remember building a computer specifically to play doom 3 when it released. I was a senior in highschool. spent many nights in the dark in my parents basement playing it. still one of the only games that give me good bumps. Love it.
Probably my favorite entry in the series, spent a lot more time in 1 and 2, but 3 was revolutionary for its time and finally brought some sort of story into the doom world
This is a beast of a game to me! I like Doom 3 the most by far. You forgot about the moment where the game let you choose whether to call for help or not. Doom 2016 was very good too.
There are lots of quality mods to download for this game as well, most notably Redux, Phobos, Last Man Standing, and Classic Doom 3. Since I especially enjoy mods that are funny, I also recommend Infernal Death Orgy, Duck Nukem, Bubba Lego-Tep, X-Mass, and Damnatio Memoriae (ep. 1 and 2).
Not sure if anyone else has mentioned this, and I don't think you did, but Doom 3 had Creative Labs EAX support on PC that made the game 100x more scary. EAX added a unique sound profile to each room, resulting in punchier and deeper sound. If you want to hear a direct comparison LGR did a great job highlighting the differences in his XP Upgrade video. And if you haven't played through the game with EAX on I highly suggest it.
38:08 the real reason carmak Said on a GDC was: computers at the time could'nt handle the lightnig engine alongside enemies on a decent framerate, so they deliberatey Made the game darker and gave you a light source that could'nt be used in combat, to keep performance steady So the defense of the original DOOM³ over the BFG Edition Falls apart, i rather see what i'm Fighting tho
You can actually see pretty without the flashlight throughout most of the game. The really, really dark areas are very few and far between. Doom 3's darkness is one of the most exaggerated things ever. And it often was due to players having poorly calibrated monitors.
The thing that ticks me off is that in console versions of Doom 3, you cannot sprint in hell. How it works in the rest of the game is that you flick on/off by pressing down on the left thumb stick, but in hell there is no on/off - you have to hold it pressed, which is impossible, and I love my controller too much to subject it to that kind of abuse.
As much as people hate this game now, it still holds a special adrenaline fueled memory for me. At the time the game came out I was 10. Yes I had played doom1&2 and ultimate. But the game my dad was installing to his PC was demonic. It had the coolest install, wallpapers etc. And when he let me try it, I was scared but excited at the same time. I didn't want to stop, but when I did, I didn't want to be in my room alone at night. I still do a yearly playthrough of this game, the same I do with final fantasy X and resident evil 4. This game is an absolute classic and an absolute powerhouse of a game at the time.
Thanks so much for this in depth video. I just started playing it again last week and I'm literally hooked on it all over again. And Doom 3 BFG edition literally comes in the mail today. Nice timing to release this video
If you enjoyed the timeless look of doom 3, check out quake 4. It plays a lot more like a traditional run and gun FPS, similar to the 2nd half of doom 3 and the expansion and plays in the same engine.
There's something about Doom 3 that gets to me harder than pretty much all other horror titles, except royalty like Silent Hill 1-3 mind you. The atmosphere in the game is insane.
I never got warm with the 2016 Doom and following Titles, way to hectic, way to "over the Top Highscore Punch you in your Face" Style. I love Doom3 for being just a really good Horror Shooter.
when i was a kid this game scared the crap out of me i had to watch my dad play it lol. when i was older i tried it and loved it so much and beat it wonderful game. it really did scare me same with the zombie part in return to castle Wolfenstein
I still play this game to this day and it IS the horror-action vibe that has kept me hooked all these years. Also have to point out how well this game is holding up technologically. With or without the source ports, the idtech4 engine can really take advantage of todays hardware. When played with the big hi-res texture mods, it can rival games running on the latest engines imo. I'm in a discord where some very talented programmers are tweaking the idtech4 engine (I just listen while the grown-ups talk) and what would be really great is if Doom3 would attract more modders to make more mission packs and such
Doom 3 was so ahead of its time... I remember with awe how gorgeous it looks. And being honest it stands to well to this day. It still looks as gorgeous, the art style fits perfectly with those pitch black shadows
I remember playing for the first time at 640x480 having barely 30 fps with low graphics. It was so freaking scary, I usually call for my little sister sit with me while I played it LOL.
Its system requirements were monstrous back in 2004. In fact, none of the available hardware at the time was good enough to play the game on Ultra quality, so it only became possible some months later when newer GPU's came.
Splendid!! Haha, i borrowed my brothers copy on Xbox and i didnt dare to play the game alone...in the middle of a sunny day even. So i managed to convince my father of mother at times to sit next to me to keep me company (i was around 16-ish years old). When i got attacked by zombies and demons i started to scream loudly and they looked at me as if i was crazy 😅
i played the intro and starting bit a million times trying to optimize my pc settings, restarting my pc etc it never ran the way i would have hoped lol
Funny how cultic sidestepped the flashlight issue with the lighter. It gave you a couple levels with it to make the dark sections feel more claustrophobic, whilst still letting you use one handed weapons. You can use the pistol and lighter together, but if you wanted to take out the shotgun you had to fight that enemy in the dark. But jasozz knew to give you the headlamp before it got tedious. Another great video Kirk! Can't wait for the spooky vibes to pop up a few times in the next few months with Callisto, dead space, and re4make
Exactly, I loved this in Cultic 👌 Flashlight on a gun or suit could have been an upgrade at some point in Doom 3 and it would have solved most of the problems with it.
I remember hanging out with my buddy when he bought DooM 3 for the original Xbox and we stayed up until the wee early hours in the morning sitting the dark and killing demons without a wink of shut eye, plus you know...nightmares for a week.
True, even though it was quite successful when it first came out in 2004. The whol hating things started in more recent times, and I suspect Brutal Doom had much to do with it.
It is the similar/same problem with Diablo 2 and Diablo 3. After years of waiting, hc fans expected to have the same game again but were disappointed to get something totally different whatsover - and with little resemblance to the original. Only HL1 and HL2 is the series that was succesful to create a hit successor.
This game scared the shit out of me at age 24. Used to only play it in 30 minute bits because that's all I could physically handle, would stop playing and be completely exhausted from the adrenaline rush.
This game is a masterpiece. The idea of the horror coming first was groundbreaking. And the flashlight separated from the gun was a brilliant idea and reached the purpose of creating anxiety and the fear of wherever you choose the gun or the flashlight.
I wonder if perhaps it may have been a better idea to have each weapon have a built-in flashlight instead of having a standalone flashlight. Each weapon would have a different kind of flashlight (e.g. the chaingun would have a wider cone of light while the plasma rifle creates ambient light that lets you see clearly but only within a small area around you) and the light could be affected by stuff like gun recoil or remaining ammo in an attempt to keep the balance the original separate flashlight design had.
THAT was the biggest issue I had, you'd have to switch to the weapon which left you in complete darkness until you started shooting, later on someone hacked a flashlight on a weapon...
it was damn scary when I played back in the day, always getting me nervous. I also played a bit each day, and the worst (and best) was at night before going to sleep. If did a long run because I wanted to advance in the story I used to have nightmares later. nicely done indeed.
As much as loved doom 2016 and doom eternal, the creep factor of doom 3 was incredible. Maybe cus i was 16, but it stuck with me
I actually got a bit disappointed at first when 2016 was announced and wasn’t horror oriented, I liked 3 that much. Obviously after playing it I liked it a lot, but I really liked the idea of doom for being a horror game.
@@k1ler4m the world and lore works just as good as a horror game as it does an action shooter. I would like it honestly if they went back and forth from now on.
Try 7 years old 😅. I would sneak on my dads pc when he had games paused and almost gave me trauma
I can say the same thing for resident evil 4 and 5. 4 was very horror driven and filed with dread whereas part 5 was a run and gun feeling type of game.
Doom 2016 is crap. Its basicly Serious Sam
Nobody born after these times will understand just how revolutionary this moment was in gaming. There were always leaps in quality and still are, but THIS..
Doom 3 was so mind blowing like when the original Doom came out. I do remember how amazed I was with this game, I sat down at my friends gaming pc and played the game start to end for 8 hours at least. He just went to work and when he came back I had nearly beaten the game haha
Like downloading Wolfenstein from the Apogee BBS at 2400bps?
@@casedistorted I remember the Hyper magazine review of Doom 3 back when it came out. "We all knew Doom 3 was going to be good. But we didn't think it was going to be _this_ good." Sure, it may look unimpressive to kids these days, but this was a generational leap at the time.
I tend to agree. Doom 3 pioneered normal mapping and specular which was pretty much a staple of the shiny surfaces of the xbox 360 era. Only issue is half life 2 came out like right after this and many considered it just as technically impressive and a far superior gameplay.
@@alanlee67 well obviously HL2 but I didn't wanna muddy the message just letting D3 take it this time lol
I'll never forget listening to the radio comms after things start going south and all the chaos and screaming and terror. It was an awesome thing to experience for the first time way back in 2004/5.
They're breaking through the waaaaaalls...
I played the game when it came out and it was insanely scary. I would complete one level a day at best because I'd be too scared to proceed. When you reach that checkpoint and finish a level it's such a huge relief and getting back out there was too much.
Precisely
That is what made this game so much fun.
As a 3rd grader, this game drove to brink of sanity lol
Totaly agree with you, i had the same experience with Doom 3. I finished the game.
The only game that came close to Doom3's fear level was Dead Space for me. The first one.
Same....
Doom 3 is one of those games that I have massive respect for. Definitely underrated in the Doom franchise. I'm glad they switched things up, even if it polarized the fanbase and we probably won't see anything like this in doom again.
Which makes me sad as the horror is what makes doom for me. It felt like I played with a purpose.
Yeh I'm one of the players that have been alienated.
It’s funny because doom 3 is the only doom game that I legitimately enjoyed playing. All of the other ones were so predictable and repetitive
I wouldn't say that. Eventually, I think we'll get another Doom game like this again one day
Doom 2016 en Eternal are the worst doom I've ever gotten to play and I consider both titels to be a huge disappointment.
Doom 3 has made such an impact on me, it's heartbreaking how we'll never get to see a remake like it.
Despite loving all the other Doom-games, this is actually my favorite. Perhaps because it always feels real and grounded, much like Half-Life/HL2. Doom 1/2/4 are mostly about learning to most effectively eliminate everything that moves, which is challenging like a sport is. Doom3 is more about soaking in the atmosphere and story.
I loved the PDA such a good way to tell the story and flesh out the world.
It's so good in VR too. Feels very natural to navigate through which is a testament to how well integrated into the game it was back then. Just a seamless tool
System Shock did something similar with audio logs
the plasma rifle in doom 3 might be the best sound desing of any weapon i've ever heard. instantly nostalgic and incredibly satisfying to listen.
I agree, reload sound is awesome.
Plasma in doom 2016 was real let down for me.
Yes! One of my favorite FPS guns. Love the feel and sound of it
Couldn't agree more. The best looking and sounding weapon in any first person shooter imo. The way those projectiles illuminated the hallways, the way the weapon itself illuminated a surface when you got really close to it, the reload sound etc etc...10/10 really...
That sound when reloading is soo fun to hear. Kinda miss playing Doom 3
Reload and handling, maybe; I still prefer Quake 4's Hyperblaster. Firing? Hell naw, it sounds weaker than a cartoon alien's pewpew ray gun.
This is an exciting time. We were there when those things came into existence. The late 90s to the mid 2000's was the birth of a new era of technology. If you grew up with DOS games, this was unlike anything you have ever seen before. It was so wild.
8-bit 16-bit 32-bit 64-bit and EGA to VGA/SVGA more colors, sidescrollers to 2½D shooters to full 3D with graphics acceleration to photorealistic textures, I hope we get to see another AAA gaming crash to relive those days - no microtransactions, pure genious
So many people forget that the original DooM WAS scary. It absolutely integrated horror elements: jumpscares, traps, spooky music with both fast AND slow tracks, ambient growls, monster roars, terrifying locales, flickering lights and monsters lurking in shadows-- the works. In the 90s, a full playthrough of DooM could be a very scary game.
My dad told me once when I was much younger that in E1M8 when the Barons popped out scared the bejesus out of him when he first played it in ‘93. It may be archaic now but those original games were pretty chilling in their own right back in the day
And, lets not forget you played with the keyboard not the mouse.
E1m1 dismantle this argument.
I still think it's interesting that, when it first came out, all of the criticism directed at DOOM3 was how it was *too similar* to the first two games. The monster closets, the "keycards" in the form of PDA clearance to open doors, the pacing. People said it was too much like the old games and didn't do enough to change with the times. Nowadays, the main criticism DOOM3 gets is due to how different it was from the first two games. Or at least how people imagine the first two games were like. The old DOOM games were not as fast paced and arcade-like as people remember. Doom 2016 and the "Brutal DOOM" mod for the original games have reinforced this idea that the old DOOM games were fast paced, non-stop action. And sure, like this video points out, the opening chapters of DOOM3 take things slower, the game overall does build to that more frantic action similar to the older games. In some ways, it feels more like the original DOOM games than it's 2016 counterpart, and Doom Eternal.
I was an original Doom 1 player and I can confirm, it was scary! Seems laughable now, but in our primitive brains, it was intense.
Fun fact that actually Carmack and many others are voice actors in the pda audio logs. I think it’s a cool feature. It’s crazy how small the budget was probably vs how much the game actually made. 👏
I would love to see a spiritual successor to Doom3 in terms of horror FPS.
Alien Isolation
There is nothing that comes close to the atmosphere/horror of Doom 3. I know it had cheap scares but the ambient sound effects, the creatures and setting itself remains unsurpassed. Doom 2016 didn't even come close to Doom 3s fantastic atmosphere....
Dead space
Oh man what id give for the same with original Quake. The first time I booted up GL Quake with my 12mbVoodoo2.....👌
Loved Quake 2 sure... But Quake is something else.
A few months ago NIN released the soundtrack on nice thick vinyl. It STILL is a wonderfully dark piece that works so well with the aesthetic of the game.
The weird mash of Lovecraftian/Medieval/Hell/sci Fi is something I have never seen since really.
I'm just after buying Doom3 on Switch as I type this. Sure the 3rd time I've bought the game but I am gonna have a blast playing this out of the dock
Alien Isolation is probably what you're looking for.
Also some 'Prodeus' on the side couldn't hurt.
This game still looks amazing today. One of my all time favorites.
It took the industry roughly ten years to beat the lighting Doom 3 had. It was so far ahead of its time.
True! Light and shadow plays nicely, and the sound design, too. It was stellar and still is. Only the low-poly count models reveal the age really. And that it runs smoothly even with older rigs :D
It does!
Doom 3 was one of the reasons why I started gaming, even to this day, Doom 3 had it's flaws but brings back nostalgia every time! Coming home after school and play it all afternoon and night to scare myself lol 😆
Doom 3 is still one of my favorite games ever. It had its problems but it’s still a pretty good game.
Same.
agreed my dude
It's not one of my favorites but otherwise it is still a pretty good game. Just have to go into it with the right expectations.
The online co op was awesome. Loved this game and im glad i got the pc version at a thrift store years ago!!
I came to comments to say that.
My go to comfort game. Brings back such great memories I wish I could play this one for the first time again.
Same here
It’s one of my all-time favorite games. Still play it.
Yup. It's my third-favorite Doom game (behind 2016 and the original). Play it every 2 years or so since 2009 when I got it on PC.
@StonedMagician99 it's my favorite in the series.
I would absolutely love a Doom spin off where you play as a regular marine but with Doom 3 style gameplay.
EDIT: To all the people replying saying "So doom 3, you would like doom 3." Yes...that was the point of my comment you dense cabbage. I want more doom 3.
A hell on earth horror fps on doom eternal engine would be awesome
Yooo whats good dude, dig the channel
You literally just described Doom 3
@@hummens44 Yes...yes that's the point you dense cabbage I want more doom 3 LMAO
@@hummens44 Yeah. He said he wanted a new doom spin off game with Doom 3 style of gameplay so I guess he litterally described Doom 3? I want a new doom game with similar gameplay too.
Doom 3 over time has become not just my favorite Doom game but my favorite FPS game period. I've played all the Doom games many times & lots of Brutal Doom. But there is just something so unique about Doom 3 on nightmare difficulty especially playing after midnight, all the lights out, & headphones on.
It's maybe not scary per se to me but it's very tense. It's combat that I have come to call "ambush survival". You're always outnumbered, alone in the dark, with unending ambushes coming at you from multiple directions. It's always unfair. It's perfect. Doom 3 on nightmare difficulty is the perfect FPS game to me.
Love this take.
I played that one, it was phenomenal and so intense & scary. The « baby-flies » were SO horrific
I recommend playing Resurrection of Evil without using the Artifact for anything but the slowmo puzzles in the beginning and the Betruger fight at the end. Makes the combat a lot more exciting!
This fucking intro was just perfect. Like, if ever there was to be even ONE video made about the historical significance of DooM 3, what it accomplished, or what it felt like for me to play for the first time all those years ago, it was the first couple minutes of this fucking video. When you said “Doom 3” and the main theme dropped, which I always waited to hear when booting the game up because of how badass it was, I literally just fucking smiled and chuckled. I dunno, I haven’t even seen 2 full minutes into the video and I’m already subscribing. You nailed it.
Doom 3! Excellent! 🤘It might be the black sheep, but I still love it.
Playing this game in VR on the Quest 2 in the park in a tennis court at 2am was one of the best gaming experiences i’ve ever had.
awesome lol
No shit right? That was the first time I beat the game was on quest. Played it for years but never beat it until a few months ago.
Can you play this on Quest? I have a Quest 2, would love to play this in VR!
@@ronaldov09it stutters a bit from time to time on Quest 2, not sure how well the Quest 1 will handle it
I never managed to finish this game until I reached 20s 😆 It still gives me goosebumps while playing it
Also, they went for more of a survival horror approach, an it worked. This coming from an OG Resident Evil fan, who played the original on Saturn all the way to re4 remake. It had you checking corners an waiting to see movement before entering a new room. Not a failure. Just different.
Love Doom 3. It's so rad and so innovative for the time
Thanks Kirk, great Retrospective on Doom³. I still play it once a year, it's really one of a kind.
I'm so glad you did the time honored thing which is built all Doom 3 video intros around that menu theme by Tweaker. Absolute badass to the nth degree
There wasn't much music to work with. thanks man!
@@KIRKCOLLECTS ain't that the truth! all ambient beeps, boops and what sounds like someone inhaling HHHHHHHHH in the background for soundwork XD
I used to listen to the song on repeat by repeating the credits over and over
@@UndividedSilver my man!
Chris Vrenna is the man! I recently got the original Quake soundtrack vinyl. At the last minute Id stopped the printing of the booklet but Trent released the file.
Chris has a long history with Doom/Quake.
The weapons introduction and how it’s tied to gameplay intensity is true to form of the original
The only single player game, that I played over and over again from start to finish. What a classic.
1h of doom 3 with Kirk, that’s going to be interesting :D
This game was head of his time, crazy to see it’s better than most horror games today.
Same year half life 2 was released and it's graphics 4 years ahead of It's time. Doom 3 graphics close second though.
HL 2 was released shortly after and it's graphics were better, it's game play was better, and it was also better at being a horror game. doom 3 was a glorified tech demo, because Techno wizard JC don't know how to actually make an enjoyable game.
How is a game released just shortly before Resident Evil 4 (an actual horror masterpiece) ahead of its time?
nah, not ahead of its time, System Shock did it in 1994 (and better). Doom 3 is an ok game and an horrible Doom. it sucks at being Doom.
I remember being scared when playing this as a kid, but it was so good that I just couldnt stop playing...and I had to play at nigth with no ligths hidden from my parents 🤣
Doom 1 & 2 were entertaining shooters with a great concept. Doom 2016 and Eternal took that idea of one man against all of hell to the max. But for me it was Doom 3 that truly brought the frightening aspect of the story. A real masterpiece.
People compare Doom 3 to Doom to much. This game had the best aspects of Resident Evil 4, Bioshock and Metroid Prime with a demonic cherry on top.
This game and _Dark Corners of the Earth_ both gave me chills as a kid.
Call of Cthulu was awesome, I just bought it on steam actually lol
Wait what? They really called the bad guy "Dr. Betrüger"? :D That literally means "cheater/swindler" in German. Could have just called him "Mister Evil" at that point. :D
one million demons ;)
Not everyone knows German
It wasn't supposed to be subtle. Dude's evil as can be right from the get go.
I did not grow up with original doom and only played it much later on my xbox360. Doom3 was the first doom i played thoroughly. And to be honest I have a deeper love for doom3. I remember debating with the oldschoolers that was dissatisfied with doom3. 😄
I think the fundamental viewpoints we held was to different for us to be able to understand each other.
One strange thing that was gone in the BFG edition, was the ability to stack bodies. In original Doom3 the bodies of zombies and z-secs would pile up if they died next to each other. In the Bfg edition the bodies phase through each other which is weird. 🤔
1 minute into your video I already came to the conclusion that this has to be the best youtube video I have ever seen in 17 years.
And by 17 years i meant the beginning of youtube (since 2005).
Your title is a play on words that is understood as your analysis evolves. It's very clever. You said it in the title, you said it once, and then "to remember, the horror comes first". This naturally caused me to think that you meant the developers prioritized the horror element over the action, but now coming towards the end of the video I realized your point: the game starts out more like a horror game, then gradually evolves into a more action oriented game akin to its predecessors. The horror comes first. Well done. Subscribed.
Great video as always, KIRK! DOOM 3 is my favorite survival horror FPS. It was interesting seeing your takes on it, always coming from a place of understanding each side of the criticisms. You really deserve more views and subscribers, cuz this is top-notch content!
Some corrections:
* Wolfenstein 3D came out in 1992.
* RAGE came out in 2011.
I love that the Hell Knight design from this was carried into D16 and Eternal. even the OST from D3 was brought over. the team behind Eternal and 2016 also had love for D3 too.
VERY very well done review, I love it and brought up a lot of points. Subbed!
#4:25: Quake3Arena was not "multiplayer only", it also featured a single player mode, but what it was/is is one of the first arena shooters.
Haha yes technically it does, but I’m referring to a story based single player campaign like in its predecessors. Not a series of matches against bots.
I remember playing this when I was a kid. Probably one of the only games I was truly scared almost always throughout
I played OG Doom 3 at release and it certainly was tense, the dynamic lighting, slower more methodical nature and just being a young kid, it was scary and stressful. But i finished it!
I always preferred the aspect of a average human having to face off against overwhelming paranormal forces beyond understanding the doom universe fits both the power fantasy and survival horror I really hope we get another doom game like this. To me its more badass having survived a hellish engagement then painting the town red. I always prefer the demons to be imposing and power the way doom 3 presented lastly the art of hell in doom 3 has not been surpassed best incarnation of hell to date monster design as well was top notch.
The first 2 minutes are really effective. i was completely sold into the video :)
I have no doubt it will end to be a excelent video from beginning to end!
I love me some doom 3. While it's not the frenetic gameplay of other doom titles, it stands on its own as an amazing horror experience.
It's also the aesthetics (ambiance) and the awesome shadow and light rendering doom 3 and games like fear had. Not only good for horror but for all games. I don't know why but these hard shadows look really realistic and complimentary.
I played this game with headphones in the dark when it launched and it was diabolically great!
This was a great retro, clear, concise and kept my attention the whole way through, plus it helps I love Doom 3. I'll be checking out the rest of your content. Great stuff!
although many people didn't like doom 3, for me it was a game that marked a lot, especially in the horror part
the thing i like about it i was not trying to be the first 3 games but be it's own thing
it's horror is very boring
@@nicolausteslaus it dose drag on in the first quarter of doom3 but the game gets better after that
@@torquetheprisoner I can name only one moment that stood out to me there. The rest was mostly cliche stuff
i remember building a computer specifically to play doom 3 when it released. I was a senior in highschool. spent many nights in the dark in my parents basement playing it. still one of the only games that give me good bumps. Love it.
An hour-long video on Halloween? Kirk, my man, this is a TREAT
Doom 3, FEAR, and Crysis were the technical benchmarks(for me anyways) for their time despite being only a handful of years apart from one another.
Probably my favorite entry in the series, spent a lot more time in 1 and 2, but 3 was revolutionary for its time and finally brought some sort of story into the doom world
Bro, I just l listened your entire playlist on this and stealth games on an 9hr shift. Thank you so much for posting these!
This is a beast of a game to me! I like Doom 3 the most by far. You forgot about the moment where the game let you choose whether to call for help or not. Doom 2016 was very good too.
9:01 sounds like Half Life
9:05 should’ve waited
10:01 now that I think about it, we’re the broad strokes of Half Life’s story inspired by Doom?
There are lots of quality mods to download for this game as well, most notably Redux, Phobos, Last Man Standing, and Classic Doom 3. Since I especially enjoy mods that are funny, I also recommend Infernal Death Orgy, Duck Nukem, Bubba Lego-Tep, X-Mass, and Damnatio Memoriae (ep. 1 and 2).
I played this with Ultimate Mod.
Dual Pistols, more Zombies...
9:04 Haha yes. Post-Half-Life games man. The bee's knees
With nowadays mods this game looks absolutely stunning . One of the best game in history.
What made Doom3 so great is that it gave the franchise elements of lovecraftian cosmic horror.
Not sure if anyone else has mentioned this, and I don't think you did, but Doom 3 had Creative Labs EAX support on PC that made the game 100x more scary. EAX added a unique sound profile to each room, resulting in punchier and deeper sound. If you want to hear a direct comparison LGR did a great job highlighting the differences in his XP Upgrade video. And if you haven't played through the game with EAX on I highly suggest it.
Agreed. EAX was so revolutionary.
I thought modern day cards didn't support EAX anymore
38:08 the real reason carmak Said on a GDC was: computers at the time could'nt handle the lightnig engine alongside enemies on a decent framerate, so they deliberatey Made the game darker and gave you a light source that could'nt be used in combat, to keep performance steady
So the defense of the original DOOM³ over the BFG Edition Falls apart, i rather see what i'm Fighting tho
Then why did the duct tape mod work so well?
You can actually see pretty without the flashlight throughout most of the game. The really, really dark areas are very few and far between.
Doom 3's darkness is one of the most exaggerated things ever. And it often was due to players having poorly calibrated monitors.
Hahaha I can hear Silver and Medium screaming from across the Atlantic
You know us well *tips hat and bows*
lmao, nice one
lol
What makes it so great is we totally called it
Great video man! Very professional. New sub here from London Canada
The thing that ticks me off is that in console versions of Doom 3, you cannot sprint in hell. How it works in the rest of the game is that you flick on/off by pressing down on the left thumb stick, but in hell there is no on/off - you have to hold it pressed, which is impossible, and I love my controller too much to subject it to that kind of abuse.
As much as people hate this game now, it still holds a special adrenaline fueled memory for me.
At the time the game came out I was 10. Yes I had played doom1&2 and ultimate. But the game my dad was installing to his PC was demonic. It had the coolest install, wallpapers etc. And when he let me try it, I was scared but excited at the same time. I didn't want to stop, but when I did, I didn't want to be in my room alone at night. I still do a yearly playthrough of this game, the same I do with final fantasy X and resident evil 4. This game is an absolute classic and an absolute powerhouse of a game at the time.
Thanks so much for this in depth video. I just started playing it again last week and I'm literally hooked on it all over again. And Doom 3 BFG edition literally comes in the mail today. Nice timing to release this video
Always makes me chuckle that they named the bad guy “betruger” which is German for “cheater, deceiver, or betrayer”
If you enjoyed the timeless look of doom 3, check out quake 4. It plays a lot more like a traditional run and gun FPS, similar to the 2nd half of doom 3 and the expansion and plays in the same engine.
Still an utterly fantastic game!
Sad, that it was so slow-paced. I think that this made most of the fans not happy.
@@pistool1 It wasn't slow paced at all once it got going though.
Comparing doom 3 to the rest isn't fair. If you really want to enjoy doom3 the most, view it as it's own game. Doom 3 is perfect in every way.
There's something about Doom 3 that gets to me harder than pretty much all other horror titles, except royalty like Silent Hill 1-3 mind you. The atmosphere in the game is insane.
I never got warm with the 2016 Doom and following Titles, way to hectic, way to "over the Top Highscore Punch you in your Face" Style. I love Doom3 for being just a really good Horror Shooter.
I own all of them on pc and console. But I agree. Doom 3 is the best.
when i was a kid this game scared the crap out of me i had to watch my dad play it lol. when i was older i tried it and loved it so much and beat it wonderful game. it really did scare me same with the zombie part in return to castle Wolfenstein
I still play this game to this day and it IS the horror-action vibe that has kept me hooked all these years.
Also have to point out how well this game is holding up technologically. With or without the source ports, the idtech4 engine can really take advantage of todays hardware. When played with the big hi-res texture mods, it can rival games running on the latest engines imo.
I'm in a discord where some very talented programmers are tweaking the idtech4 engine (I just listen while the grown-ups talk) and what would be really great is if Doom3 would attract more modders to make more mission packs and such
Half Life 2 and most importantly F.E.A.R. may have surpassed Doom 3 but it does look timeless, love the graphics to this day.
Half life to me is meh... But Doom 3 and F.E.A.R. 😘👌
There is something truly beautiful about the words: So unlimited it's on FIRE.
Doom 3 was so ahead of its time... I remember with awe how gorgeous it looks. And being honest it stands to well to this day. It still looks as gorgeous, the art style fits perfectly with those pitch black shadows
If you can, definitely give this game a go in VR, it's like reliving that feeling when it first released all over again.
I remember playing for the first time at 640x480 having barely 30 fps with low graphics. It was so freaking scary, I usually call for my little sister sit with me while I played it LOL.
Its system requirements were monstrous back in 2004. In fact, none of the available hardware at the time was good enough to play the game on Ultra quality, so it only became possible some months later when newer GPU's came.
Splendid!! Haha, i borrowed my brothers copy on Xbox and i didnt dare to play the game alone...in the middle of a sunny day even. So i managed to convince my father of mother at times to sit next to me to keep me company (i was around 16-ish years old). When i got attacked by zombies and demons i started to scream loudly and they looked at me as if i was crazy 😅
i played the intro and starting bit a million times trying to optimize my pc settings, restarting my pc etc
it never ran the way i would have hoped lol
Funny how cultic sidestepped the flashlight issue with the lighter. It gave you a couple levels with it to make the dark sections feel more claustrophobic, whilst still letting you use one handed weapons. You can use the pistol and lighter together, but if you wanted to take out the shotgun you had to fight that enemy in the dark. But jasozz knew to give you the headlamp before it got tedious. Another great video Kirk! Can't wait for the spooky vibes to pop up a few times in the next few months with Callisto, dead space, and re4make
Exactly, I loved this in Cultic 👌
Flashlight on a gun or suit could have been an upgrade at some point in Doom 3 and it would have solved most of the problems with it.
Amazing review! I can’t wait to see your future 100k subs 🎉
This game was nothing short of a masterpiece
I played Doom 3 VR out in a large grass field using Quest 3 and John Carmack reposted the video. 😎
The best Doom 3 review out there. Awesome video!
To say this you'll have to watch them all.
@@satnav1980 ok, then report me for fake news
I remember hanging out with my buddy when he bought DooM 3 for the original Xbox and we stayed up until the wee early hours in the morning sitting the dark and killing demons without a wink of shut eye, plus you know...nightmares for a week.
Doom 3 is criminally underrated.
True, even though it was quite successful when it first came out in 2004. The whol hating things started in more recent times, and I suspect Brutal Doom had much to do with it.
It is the similar/same problem with Diablo 2 and Diablo 3. After years of waiting, hc fans expected to have the same game again but were disappointed to get something totally different whatsover - and with little resemblance to the original. Only HL1 and HL2 is the series that was succesful to create a hit successor.
@@pistool1 Ironically, HL2 is fairly different from HL1 :P
This game scared the shit out of me at age 24. Used to only play it in 30 minute bits because that's all I could physically handle, would stop playing and be completely exhausted from the adrenaline rush.
This game is a masterpiece. The idea of the horror coming first was groundbreaking. And the flashlight separated from the gun was a brilliant idea and reached the purpose of creating anxiety and the fear of wherever you choose the gun or the flashlight.
Really amazing video man it's going into my favourites, which I rarely do
This is heretical I know, but DOOM 3 is the only DOOM game I ever finished.
Nice documentary. Thanks for making this, Doom will always be special.
I wonder if perhaps it may have been a better idea to have each weapon have a built-in flashlight instead of having a standalone flashlight. Each weapon would have a different kind of flashlight (e.g. the chaingun would have a wider cone of light while the plasma rifle creates ambient light that lets you see clearly but only within a small area around you) and the light could be affected by stuff like gun recoil or remaining ammo in an attempt to keep the balance the original separate flashlight design had.
THAT was the biggest issue I had, you'd have to switch to the weapon which left you in complete darkness until you started shooting, later on someone hacked a flashlight on a weapon...
No.
it was damn scary when I played back in the day, always getting me nervous. I also played a bit each day, and the worst (and best) was at night before going to sleep. If did a long run because I wanted to advance in the story I used to have nightmares later. nicely done indeed.
Phenomenal video! You did such a great job