My Ford Lightning after 18,000 miles...
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3 Things I HATE about my Ford Lightning after 18,000 miles
OH MAN.... ok you got me. I literally was grimacing the whole way thru the 'graph.' 😵💫
After blasting a Cybertruck, what's a couple small scratches? 🙂Especially informative scratches?
got me too xD I was like "oh why you doing that?!" then I was like "well it is his truck so he can do it if he wants" then at the end I was like "oh ok very clever!! you got me!"
Yeah, he got me too. I was thinking, "Weird, I always thought he was a smart guy". Then after the reveal I thought, "Ahh, a smartass".
As soon as I heard the click I knew this was going to be interesting, that's a fine graph 🤔😁
I mean, he's destroyed so many phones I didn't even bat an eye.
1:15 thank goodness there's a graph to explain the intricacies of the Lightning. I literally just closed my eyes, and smiled when he did this.
I had to cover my ears. Painful!
I thought he was scratching up his truck
@@arsonshadow187 I thought he was scratching up his truck
1:17 - Art Class With Jerry hits different when it's the side of a truck instead of the back of a phone or tablet.
1:40 - LOL! Well played.
We EXPECT it on a phone. $70K truck not so much!
Economics class with Jerry
I thought he was scratching up his truck
oo boi 1:16 I was eating and literaly my mouth was just open till that sheet fell.
Same it hurt my eyes and ears and heart as well xD
same lol
I was really, really terrified!
thanks for spoiling it...jerk....smh some people just want to see the world burn
petition to stop using chrome in the interiors of cars
Especially the fake one
LITERALLY. I can’t tell you how many cars I’ve driven that will catch the sun on an interior piece and laser you directly in the corneas
And glossy plastic from all vehicles
Please God, yes!
and piano black!! aka fingerprint magnet
Got my 2022 platinum lightning in May. Got it used for $45,000 had 19,000 miles on it. It's now January, and it has 60,000 miles. No issue with glare or infotainment. Live in the northeast, so getting cold hurts my milage, but it's easy to stop and charge on my lunch breaks at a tesla supercharger. I average about 200 miles a day. Most days I only charge at home. The fun factor, along with convenience, is getting my family around putting groceries in the frunk and my work equipment in the back. HIGHLY RECOMMEND.
Heck yeah! Thats awesome - you have the perfect usecase for an electric truck for sure.
as my metallurgy professor always said: "there's nothing that makes an engineer happy as seeing a well-drawn graph"
Now, that graph leaves me with mixed feelings...
I’m disappointed IMO Work trucks should have dents if you can’t put a dent in your truck doing work (and youtube is work) it’s not a truck, it’s a luxury item.
I was relieved at 1:45 😩
I was thinking to myself "surely not"
I was disappointed. Which leads me to believe I need to see a therapist.
Regen braking and not having to use brake pads is such an underrated feature of EVs
Regen is good, but not using your brake pads can also be costly in itself. It is quite normal that things like brake discs rust extensively when not used enough.
@@drosendahldon’t matter I u don’t need brakes! 😂😂
@@drosendahl The friction material on the brake pads will also degrade if not used as they need regular use to cook any moisture they absorb out. Then the pads turn to mush when you really need them.
Subscription mattress is wild
Soon we'll have to subscribe for oxygen in a park
Subscription "sheet" actually
Costs more than an electric truck 🛻
Buy a mini split heat pump instead. So much better and more energy efficient and probably cheaper tooo 😂
it's not even a mattress
1:10 Been with my wife for 8 years now, and I still can't get her to understand "boy math."
Thanks for mentioning it.
There are many but let me point out a HUGE ONE! He uses rhe National Average for his gas cost, yes uses a LOCAL cost of Electricity! This is one the beginning of his flawed video. People like this are juat EV nuts. STOP LYING TO PEOPLE😂
@@wstlndiesel Um, ok. I guess you wouldn't be open to hearing from all the many EV owners out there.
@@wstlndiesel Okay, I will use local gas and electricity here in the Midwest. Gas is $2.87 at the Walmart down the street today. Our solar array is on track to generate more than 2,000KWh in excess this season, which the electric company will not reimburse us for. That's enough power to charge an EV about THIRTY times for free this year.
So, using our local numbers, our EV is FREE per mile because we charge at home, and our hybrid costs more because gas and oil aren't free. YMMV
@@wstlndiesel Average gas cost in Utah currently 2.96, or about 5% less. He didn't talk about insurance, depreciation, tires, or install cost of home charging. The TCO data is currently quite variable. EV's only make economic sense in even rarer circumstances (ie, a used tesla for uber, a used truck for landscaping) and even then only where the delta between electricity and gas is high, home charging available, and utilization is high - and even then only when compared to more expensive new cars. I\d bet that a used Prius is the Uber king.
I have a lightning and have never lost my radio stations from OTA updates. I’m at 15,500 miles and love it.
It was fixed
@@ryanwalters6184yeah but I’ve had my lightning for over a year and it was never an issue for me.
5:59 my man literally set up a bedroom in the desert!! lol!!
Thats how we rollllll
@@JerryRigEverythinghello Jerry is the Code for the promotion is right? Because in the discription it says 'JRRRYRIG' or its meant like that or 'JERRYRIG'
@@SirxRyuuCHSubIt is mispelled in the description and is infact "JERRYRIG". Seems Zack needs to fix it.
60 cents per night? 😵 That's 220 dollars per year
@@JerryRigEverything 2:15 Did Cambry wreck her car, or did you try to do a will it scratch at 30 mph? CRUCH!
Ahhhh he got me with the knife scrape 😂
8:44 Some day I hope I can call a $70,000 work truck an "inexpensive work truck".
this. these people live in la la land and wonder why the rest of the country wont vote for EV mandates.
*new
No one is gonna buy new unless it’s a fleet. In evict case ya that truck is cheaper than competitors if your looking for a standard truck but EV.
The rest of us tho not so much
you can you just have to earn more money and eventually you will also call humans normies , and all the other perks that come attached when you earn a good amount of money here in our free country the united states of america .
@@Coyote.five.0 Sorry brother, but the only time a $70,000 work truck is inexpensive, is when it is a stretch limo, and you are a pimp.
dude's become a shill
LOVE my lightning. Hands down best vehicle I've ever owned. Here's to making it to 400k miles!
It's a fun truck!
Our 16-year-old Prius with almost 200,000 miles is doing great with its original battery pack. Still getting over 40 MPG like the day it was new. And our EV charges with a $350 level 2 charger in the garage...using excess solar-generated power that would otherwise be TAKEN from us by the electric company without paying us. So our EV charging is truly free.
(We generated enough excess solar power last year that we could have fully charged an Ioniq 5 about THIRTY times for free...and we only need about one full charge a month.)
Ahh man. Wish I had seen this comment before I commented. Been charging my EV on solar since 2018. I was hoping that Zach would cover that, but spending $72,000 on it seems reasonable to spend a few thousand more to setup a solar system dedicated to only keeping the EV charged.
Why does your energy provider take your electricity without paying ?
In my country, the energy providers are obligated to pay you. Price is really low, at the same cost as if they bought from wind farms, but at least they have to buy it to take from us.
@@Kytetiger Because 'Murica. And my state of Illinois is better than most. Here, for folks who sign a net metering agreement this year and before, you accrue KWh credits when you generate onto the grid more than you use, from April through March. You can later spend those credits at 100% match (one for one) when you use more than you generate, as happens in winter. But any excess credits that are unspent at the end of March just expire with no compensation.
In many other states, and in Illinois after this year, the credit is paid back as a percentage. You might only get to spend 80% or 50% or 0% of the excess KWh you generate. The percentage depends on how aggressively the local electric utilities have tried to shut down legislation for net metering because it hurts their profits, or how generally anti-future-habitation-on-Earth your legislators are.
When switching from my F-250 diesel to my Rivian, I calculated that two camping trips a month towing my travel trailer would save me enough in fuel to pay the monthly payment on the Rivian. When camping at a few campgrounds we frequent that have 50 Amp service that we could recharge with. That then made the "fuel" essentially free. $4 to "fill up" at home for the trip out, _free_ for the trip back. Even for longer trips where I'd have to recharge along the way, public DC charging costs about 1/3 per mile driven as diesel did (when towing the trailer.)
Gasoline is around 8$/gal in France 🤐
But yeah, we don't pay hospital journeys or medicines
And only pay 30$/month for 8Gb/s internet speed
Bruh, I pay less than $8 a month currently in Romania, unlimited mobile data for the phone. Last month I moved almost a terabyte of data through my phone's mobile data (it's providing hotspot to multiple laptops)
Wait what??? You only get EIGHT GIGABYTE. No typo? Or only gigabit even?
But I could relate, I stayed in Germany some months and it was $15 for just 3 gigabyte. Used it for navigation and music only, the wifi at home was unlimited though.
yes but you have to live in france so is it really worth it?
@@ghostlight69420good food, better buildings, and higher quality of life than the US.
People in the United States have a higher average income, but that gets obliterated by the higher cost of living.
How hard is it to immigrate to France if say you home nation is sliding into the control of an orange autocratic fascist? I'm asking for a friend. Who doesn't speak French btw.
@@SPClightnerd you just have to survive 8 years, and 4 of them are already behind you. you will be fine.
I recently switched to an f150 lightning from a tacoma, and in 2023, my tacoma was costing me about 18 cents per mile just in gas, which is insane. All else combined, it was probably around 40 cents per mile with insurance. My lighting costs under 10 cents per mile with insurance included
Does under 10ct/mi include the car loan/lease payment?
Yea .... and also 2 houses and a yaht 😂
"Over time" is usually YEARS and YEARS. I own three vehicles with zero payments. It's cheaper for me to continue to drive them then pay for an electric vehicle. And it's not worth my time to drive it. At one point I think I calculated it would take me 15 years for the electric vehicle to pay for itself. By that point I'd have needed to replace the battery which would mean it never costs less than my gas vehicles I already own.
I don’t get why none of these influencers are talking about the absolutely exorbitant cost of needing the battery replaced. It’s why I’ll never own one. Resale value is crap, your range will be significantly worse after a few years due to battery degradation etc etc etc
@@zorgle201 I agree to an extent. Not sure about "significant" range reduction, but that depends on drive styles, max charge levels, and environmental temperature.
But there is degradation and potential additional cost. Similar to engine/transmission on a ICE truck, though typically more expensive.
don't think he is comparing to an already owned vehicle...
it's better to use anything you already own
And you are assuming the ICE engine would have no problems in that time, despite the fact that it would almost certainly have some engine repairs in that time, such as the common stuff like the alternator, throttle body, or fuel injectors going bad. Because of labor rates these days, those types of repairs are probably going to cost around $1000 on average. Then you are also ignoring the fact that car batteries last longer than the average ICE engine, so you will have had to replace the ICE engine before the battery and is going to cost about the same amount of money, maybe a bit less right now but battery pack costs are falling fast.
That isn't even factoring in the risk of transmission failure, where EVs just have a simple single speed and ICEs have an expensive multi-speed with many points of failure.
Batteries are forecast to last 300,000 to 500,000 miles
Don’t forget that EVs are usually heavier than typical ICE vehicles, so they chew through tires more quickly. Also shout out to 8 sleep, we absolutely love ours
These road tires have held up surprisingly well! The offroad tires get chewed up super quick.
My 2017 RAM ate thru tires every 30k. I doubt my Lightning will be any worse.
The only caveat with the warranty is assuming the company will honour it. I don't know if you heard about Hyundai refusing to replace a battery under warranty because the bottom of the car had a scratch on it, not the battery itself, the bottom of the car.
And/or the company will still be in business...
Given Hyundai's reputation as a car maker (not just a manufacturer of EVs), are you surprised?
@@indiggioman this is a big one, especially with rivian
@@indiggioman very good point, I hear so often about companies that make batteries for electric vehicles going out of business
was about to say the same thing there "warranty's" are very limited and they will use any and all reasons they can to not cover you. would not surprise me if they had those "water damage" stickers like laptops, the ones that should change color when contacted with water but even a little bit too much humidity will change them and thus they claim "Water Damage"
Jerry, I have to admit it, you are the one who makes the best and random sponsors on all TH-cam 😆 congrats man you're the best 😎
1:25 bro has to test weather the sides were made of metal or not
I thought you were scratching the truck bro. I was about the call ford manager and reported you 😂
1:16 i almost choke while eating my food right there XD
1:43 Damn son, you got me so good! 🤪😳 I was wondering who the hell would scratch up their vehicle like that? 🤪😌
LOL at setting up a full-blown bed in the desert! 🏜
Thank you!!
I love my Chevy Bolt. I charge it with a ground mounted solar power system which also powers my home. I love Just plugging in at night and it being ready in the morning.
I have a Toyota BZ4x here in Portugal, and We got the KING of Warranty -> 10 Years or 1M Km for the batery pack. My car is a taxi, and it has 80k Km after it's first year. So far so good.
A very long warranty is great as long as the company is still in business!
Agreed... That is my concern with Rivian. They can have a million mile warranty and it wouldn't mean much to me because I don't think they will be around in the next couple of years. Also their service is sparse and slow. For a work truck where time is money, if something goes wrong, you don't want to have to book an appointment for 2 weeks later. With Ford I have about 20 dealers/service centres in my city where I can just drop my truck off without appointment. If you run a business with a fleet of trucks, that has enormous value and its rarely mentioned.
Yeah, I'm sure Ford is gonna go out of business within the next few years.
@@darpompie4354 Personally I don't think RIvian is going anywhere, but I would take the ford or the chevy instead just to be sure
Great video! Nice to see someone using the Lightning as a work truck and not trying to tow a 25-ft trailer across the country weekly. I see these and Cybertrucks daily.
I still hate this sound @1:33 on phones and plates
I love it. I watch these videos mostly for it.
then you have some thing wrong, lol @@goncalo33
@@goncalo33you like sound of fingernails on chalkboards don’t you
Just bought a used R1T LE a few months back up in SLC with only 12k miles on it! Rivian's warranty really made it for me. Felt like I was practically getting 40% off a brand new truck (boy math) But genuinely after having this truck for a few months, I don't think I'd want a gas truck again.
Just don't crash ever, electric is insane to fix compared to gas
There are many but let me point out a HUGE ONE! He uses rhe National Average for his gas cost, yes uses a LOCAL cost of Electricity! This is one the beginning of his flawed video. People like this are juat EV nuts. STOP LYING TO PEOPLE😂
@@wstlndieselgood point, the national average per kwh is 16.8 cents vs the local price he used being 10 cents. Not to mention the more evs on the road, electric will probably get more expensive
@@capitalironic and fewer gas cars mean cheaper oil? then why are so many against EVs?
@@capitalironicsource about electricity getting more expensive: I made it up
@@wstlndiesel average electricity cost in Utah is 0.13$/kWh (maybe Zack uses 0.10$ because he factors his solar panels in) and the average gas is in Utah 2.96/gallon. Either way the math is still close and might add a few thousand miles to the break even point. No one is lying, the point still stands.
Cost savings in Michigan might not add up, you have to pay an electric vehicle fee on your registration every year.
this, the liberals won't address the TRUE EV points
"No recalls" isn't expected. It's surprising since Ford is the #1 leader in recalls of all car brands globally.
Honda has the most in 2023 fwiw
@TheRealDlo nope. Still ford.
Cybertruck had 6 recalls in the last year alone...
@darpompie4354 Ford had over 40 recalls in 2023. Yes, the Cybertruck is terrible and stupid and an awful vehicle, but talking about recalls specifically, ford is the leader across all their vehicles
@@alg003 I thought we were talking about the lightning. The OP mentioned "no recalls" isn't expected. I agree, especially since Ford had a lot of recalls over all their models. That the lightning had Zero is quite impressive actually. I mentioned the cybertrucks 6 recalls because it's a direct EV competitor (which people hold as a gold standard) to show what is expected. So Jerry saying that he expects to have zero recalls is unrealistic, even though Ford managed to meet his expectations.
We are far away from that rusty old Toyota, arent we, Zack? Im glad to be a part of your journey.! (PD: Buy it back and make it electric, just to make some people angry... Would be a great give-away too ;) )
My BMW hybrid needed new battery components this year - it’s very small by comparison battery was covered by warranty (thank god 😊) I asked the tech how much a replacement battery would cost - they said ~ $30k. About $10k more than the car is worth…
It’s only done 60,000 miles
Holy crap, $30k! Honestly holding onto any electric or hybrid car after the battery is out of warranty rapidly decreases your chance of "breaking even". A few friends of mine had hybrids that were out of warranty, paid off and "cheap" to own, then then had to shell out $10k for new battery packs. If you like to hold onto cars for a decade or more, I just don't see hybrid or electric making sense yet.
Thank you! We will use this to explain to family members why we went with our Silverado EV work truck. We built our home with enough solar to power 2 EV’s 😂. We charge during the day. Have you already created a video on the Lightship RV or the Pebble? The Lightship will charge our truck once we are parked and there is sun but we have not gotten to see one yet.
1:16 i actually thought "ok this guy tared down too many things, he is loosing his mind"😂
8:50 btw although i think electric cars will be more popular throughout the years, i still prefer gas cars for the reason "fun to drive". I like that physical feeling that there is an engine in front (or back) of me. But maybe it's just me😅
Personal preference is a totally valid reason to purchase one!
1:17 PSYCHE!🤣Jerry just crazy enough to do that. he knows he got 100 percent of us. lol.
I love my lightning.. Pre-ordered in 2020.. Took delivery may2023.. 16k miles on the clock and I didn't regret any of it... Idaho is 9¢ kw an hr and I traded my f150 eco boost I'm with that 36gal tank..
So I totally agree with your math..
Heck yeah! Congrats on your truck! Sorry about the living in Idaho part.
Jerry forgot to add the cost of tires, EVs eat tires
@@noblekitty Honestly at 15k - 18k we arn't concerned about tires.. if properly inflated & rotated, we should see 40-50k easily.. I've priced tires at about $240 a tire for (p275/60r20 Hankook Dynopro aT2) and dont see that being different than a regular size F150 other than maybe 10k less miles per tire
@@ElitWolf01 people use their tires differently. Some would run till the tires are completely bald, then wondered why they were the one that usually get into a fender bender. All tires have treads wear indicator built in. In my experience, an excellent Micheline Crossclime 2 rated for 60k miles would get replaced by me around 45k max because I want my vehicles to have safe tractions at all time. EVs are heavier than ICE, so they wear their tires down quicker. But hey, if you're okay with balding your tires to save a few bucks on a 70k vehicle, go right ahead.
@@noblekitty… EV’s only eat tyres when driven aggressively.
Few other things to consider... Cost of tires would possibly be higher with electric. Cost of electricity when NOT at home is more expensive. Electricity is often more expensive per mile when towing.
Other unexpected maintenance, like engine/transmission replacement on gas or battery on electric. Shocks/struts on both models. Fluctuating gas prices and potential future EV taxes are wildcards.
Got my XLT lightning for 48k out the door, my break even point is much lower than if it was 70k, been a fantastic purchase.
1:26 this hurts my soul PLEASE STOP ITTTTT
I hate when people try to prove one is better than the other. And people that don’t watch the full video before calling it misleading or sensational.
Do as much research as you can, look at the benefits of both as well as the drawbacks. Decide which has more benefits relevant to you. And remember EVs as we know them ate just now starting to go into the real modern world, we’ve been doing gas engines for a long time and they’re nearing their peak. We can’t get much better, we’ve worked out most of the problems. Electric vehicles are still new so the problems they have now, will lessen or go away entirely as we build them better and learn more about the technology.
Long term cost will be interesting to see. Parts tend to be more expensive leading to more costly repairs on electric vehicles (maybe due to how they are made today and this cost will go down) which is why Hertz is selling off large numbers of their electric inventory. Cheap to run, too costly to repair though.
If I had a fleet I still wouldn't go fully to one side or the other but if I were a small business that had 80K to spend on a new work truck I'd be pretty torn right now, save cash today vs save cash in the long run.
I'm personally a bigger fan of save the cash today and investing the difference to offset the cost.
_"which is why Hertz is selling off large numbers of their electric inventory."_ -- that's largely a fallacy, though it has been often repeated.
Hertz's big issue with maintenance wasn't that EVs are inherently more expensive, it's that renters are notoriously hard on all vehicles, and renters unfamiliar with EVs driving EVs are even harder on them.
Of the three EVs I've owned so far over the last 11 years, the Model S has cost the most in maintenance, and there are definitely things about repairing that car that cost more than they should, if the car had been better designed with maintenance and longevity in mind. But even that worst case example, is in line with any other modern vehicle. All the car manufacturers, ICE and EV, have for decades been putting more and more bespoke/custom parts, and more gadgets that can break more easily. This is not unique to EVs.
On the other hand, as was touched on in this video, EVs are just plain _missing_ all kinds of things that exist on ICE vehicles and which cause maintenance issues. Other systems are simpler (e.g. cooling for battery and motor), or incur less wear and tear (e.g. brakes) and so also have reduced maintenance costs.
Most importantly, at least for the one data point that is me, my maintenance expenditures for my EVs have been negligible, while those for my ICE cars have not (granted, the ICE cars are older than the EVs, so they are just going to cost more regardless...but none of my EVs are ever going to need the intake manifold gasket to be replaced).
Lol, when he said $600 off of 8 sleep mattresses, I knew what that price was looking like. Lol $$$$$
Also 60 cents a night? crazy
For anyone thinking about replacing tires or battery packs. Admittedly our Volt is a Hybrid but in 10 years we still have the same estimated mileage and use gas so infrequently it forces us to run the generator just to avoid stale gas. Tires have only been replaced once because I drove over an open manhole cover...
Zero maintenance in 10 years too! Been incredible for saving money. Even replacing the battery I would be super ahead.
IDK about full electric but Hybrid is wild!
In my defense it was night time, no signs or cones, was a big surprise.
I still think you should take into account the use of vehicles beyond 10 years after it was new. There's many Chevrolet Silverado work trucks that can go way over 200,000 miles with minimal repairs, and the one that was featured in a commercial supposedly went 3,000,000 miles. This is just one example, and many of the other brand's trucks can pull more miles than any of those electric trucks. $70,000 × 2 for 20 years vs $20,000 for 20 years + extra maintenance cost. That's the kind of math I want to see
Nowadays it is highly unlikely any ice vehicle will last more than 150000 miles without major, major repairs. Battery replacement costs will continue to drop
With European TDI engines it's more like two million miles on average. The engines break so rarely that you'll much sooner get bored of the vehicle or stop maintaining it and let it rust out.
In fact, the most common point of failure is when you don't change the timing belt for 200000 km and it snaps, causing a bunch of damage.
The trucks haven’t been around for that long yet
@@ff-nr9jx they likely wont drop as the cost of lithium mining and the enviromental consequences are much worse than oil costs and consequences. and modern vehicle yes but the same thing will happen to evs too past 10 years you ev could have electrical issues such as the computers failing and with the insane complexity with these i just dont trust them. and for modern ice engines the only ones that probobly wont go over 150k are newer i4 style engines wheras a simple non turbo v6 or v8 will last a very long time. just ask the chevy ls motor line up. or the toyota 2uz
@@fanman8677 The materials from lithium battery packs are infinitely recyclable. We will need to mine fewer-and-fewer minerals over time and will be able to rely more-and-more on domestic lithium recycling from plants like the ones built recently in Ohio.
That's a win for the environment AND the economy.
The knife on the truck made me gasp lol, I was like "Maybe he's about to repaint it???"
5:14 you should say "bless its battery" since car doesnt have heart ❤ just kiding 😊
Here in NM they have an EV charging program that allows 11pm-5am rates at 3 cents per kW. I stopped telling people what my mileage was, they either thought I was lying or became enraged. How would you feel if someone told you they got 256 miles per gallon? Using $3.50 a gallon and 2.2 mpk.
Zach, hook an Idaho brother up and do an EV battery efficiency test as it relates to COLD. Of course gas trucks are subject to the same inefficiencies as EVS like driving like Mario andretti, uphill, into the wind etc, but I don't think cold affects them like it does EVs. And being in this part of the country that kind of matters.
Gas trucks are less effected by range in most circumstances, gas trucks even run better in cold weather , gas engines love cold dense air and makes them even more efficient while the exact opposite is the case for EVs .
Our 2017 Chevy Bolt with 70k miles (new battery from recall at 35k) gets about 240 miles per charge in the summer and about 150 in the Maine winter. Partly from the battery efficiency dropping, but also because 20% of the energy is going to heating the interior. My wife drives a 30 mile commute daily and we trickle charge at home. Totally worth it for us. Just depends on your scenario. And this is a car that maxes out at level 2 charging.
Battery warranty/life? - As YT channels - Rory on 'AutoTrader', 'Auto Alex' (and others) have shown a fleet of Tesla 90D Taxis that have done 400,000 miles on their original batteries... So, it IS possible to have an electric car/truck do HUGE mileage on one battery! 🤔😏 😎🇬🇧
You did forget to factor in the opportunity cost or interest costs from the more expensive vehicle.
That $20,000-30,000 difference in initial purchase price could result in significant gains if invested. Or if you need to take out a loan (because this is more expensive), the interest on that loan adds up.
That said, I'm with you on the electric vehicle train.
Go and run the numbers on lightly used 2 year old model
The gas truck was roughly 15k less. It's unclear how much he financed etc. The weight allows you to write off the total value the first year
44 seconds in and I know the 3 things🤲🏼 that's a great summary and opposite of all the bait and switch vids 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 you da best
One thing you forgot to calculate on the electric cars is coolant and transmission fluid both have to be changed at 60,000 miles per ford. And yes both electric motors use transmission fluid
He mentioned it where the vid is showing the bottom back of the truck where the transmission is. Forgot the timestamp.
incorrect
The savings also fall apart if you're like me and you don't even drive 10,000 miles in 5 years. A fuel efficient sedan will always be king for me, that is until I can become fully solar with say an Aptera, if they actually launch that car.
Your math is quite a bit oversimplified. Electric trucks use more tires for example and the resell value is also a huge potential difference maker (not that we knew what the resell value of either option is as of in 4 / 10 years). Same with potential recalls and out of warranty repairs. But i would also argue, that they'll be cheaper overall with a high probability.
In Europe, insurance costs are higher for EVs because they are more likely to be written off if there is major damage to the frame (battery), that adds up each year
@@ttkddry add to thta insane energy prices in EU. EV doesn`t make much sense in EU.
Tires are not used up quicker if you drive reasonably. My CT weighs less than my gas Dodge Megacab. It's the heavy right foot that burns through tires.
There are many but let me point out a HUGE ONE! He uses rhe National Average for his gas cost, yes uses a LOCAL cost of Electricity! This is one the beginning of his flawed video. People like this are juat EV nuts. STOP LYING TO PEOPLE😂
@@tyr8338I had the same thought. If you don't have your own charging port at home or work (which is the majority here), the electricity price here is about 5 times of what he had here at 0.10$/kwh vs 0.47€/kwh on a public charger. If you are one of the fortunate to own your own house with a charger, it's average should be around 0.35€/kwh
Step one: become a youtube superstar. step 2: ???? step 3: Free EVs
Should probably add cost to both vehicles for tire wear and replacement too
We love EV's and have both an EV ID4 and an ICE F150 (for now). Love your videos but what I think you did leave out is that EV's do tend to go through tires quicker due to weight and acceleration. I still am a huge believer in EV's (and will be getting the lighting soon) for overall maintenance but I don't think tires get mentioned enough.
What about the difference in annual car insurance? Is that significant?
I can't speak to EV trucks specifically, but I have owned a Model Y for almost 4 years. My annual insurance has been about the same as my previous car (Hyundai Sonata).
I have 3 vehicles on my current policy, full coverage with 500K limits and $500.00 deductible. Annual Premium:
- 2021 Tesla Model Y - $831.00
- 2015 Ford F350 PSD - $924.00
- 2013 Buick Regal Hybrid - $870.00
The Model Y is the least expensive car on my policy. I also have a 5th Wheel Travel Trailer and a SxS recreation vehicle as well as my home with the carrier.
Also, please note that insurance rates are subject to lots of variables and are hard to compare between individuals.
Utah does not have an electric vehicle registration surcharge. Colorado does though.
@@ronrandquist7762 That matches my experience too. Model X Full Coverage, $1,000 a year.
Here's how my state got around the EV owners not paying for gas:
Zero-emission vehicles: $125 per year
Plug-in hybrid electric vehicles: $100 per year
The surcharge is intended to make up for the gas taxes that EV owners don't pay. This EV tax is added onto the already now higher registration costs now in effect for everyone. EV owners pay much more in the state of Maryland.
I'm currently driving a 2023 Lightning Lariat standard range. Best vehicle I ever owned. I'm in my first winter with it, and it's a cold and snowy one, so we'll see how that goes. So far, so good with one exception of odd loss of power. ((Edit: I also got the vehicle this year as a Ford clear-out sale. The sticker price was 93k, but I got it for 63k. I wasn't gonna pass that up, seeing as I've been eyeing a Lightning since they were announced.))
Here in Ontario Canada, we have time of use electricity rates. at the cheapest, it is around 7 or 8 cents per KW/h. Which is the time between 7pm and 7am, or weekends and holidays. So it's insanely cheap to run this vehicle.
charging at home is an upfront cost for a lot of folks. You might need to upgrade service (and upgraded panel that is more than likely needed) to facilitate that and install a subpanel plus the outlet. That can get costly just to get your garage up to spec for fast charging since trickle 120v charging is almost useless. Still cheaper overall, but that hassle might not be worth it for some folks.
1:16 I had a pending heart attack until that sheet fell off. Phew
I have 18kw of rooftop solar, and my Mach E and Lightning are paying off even faster. Between fuel and a regular electric bill, I'm saving $8k/yr not counting maintenance and convenience of always having a full "tank" in the morning.
Yep, have only a 9.6 kw system and only one electric car (BMW i5) and charging at home all the time and the home has all electric. $0 yearly cost.
I agree that for a company that works in town or surroundings having electric trucks is worth, you save a lot as a company witch means more income or better prices to compete.
I was like why is Zach so obsessed with breaking things??? Why would he scratch up a perfectly good truck??? 😂😂😂
When comparing gas price to electicity, are you getting your $$/kwh cost by dividing your electric bill $$ by kwh consumed or quoting the utility cost provided by the electric distributor? I am asking because here in ON, Canada, the transmission and other add on costs on my electric bill increase the advertised $$/kwh to almost double.
Yeah, feeling like Id have to be rich AND move to make an electric vehicle be worth it.
Hauling all that stuff into the no mans land just for a sponsor? Weird flex!
That graph stunt was brilliant
EV's use their brakes less often, but they weigh a lot more so they wear their breaks down more per-usage.
I'm not sure if that would balance out to more or less wear over time though. It probably varies a lot person to person based on how well they utilize the regenerative breaking.
Since my Dad just hates Ford idk why but hey they are 2 great cars out there 👍
Jerry Oh Jerry😭😭😂Those scratches had me crying before ngl
tHe WaRrAnTy 😂😂😂 bruh come on 4:57
I dont think Jerry's Parents kept him away from Knives as a child and now the world must suffer for it
I've put 40k miles on my used Ford lighting and saved over $30k in gas in 1 year with no issues and no maintenance except replacing the tires once. I used to have a diesel and a f350 but my electric truck has been cheaper, faster, and tows better than both of my previous trucks. With regenerative braking I actually make energy slowing down instead of wearing out my brakes. I'm a landscaping contractor and I haul around 10k pounds in it almost every day with no issues. I charge it overnight for around $20 for 350 miles. Also could power my job site, house, campsite, or vacation home with just my truck and can also use my solar to fill it back up. I do know electric isn't perfect but it has saved me money with more speed, portable electricity, more stable towing, and better off-road traction than my previous fossil fuel trucks.
That's awesome! Electric makes so much sense
So I am in the army I move every 3 or 4 years I have second vehicle that weights 5000 lbs I usually tow it would it be worth buying a lighting if I am towing 1500 to 2000 miles to different duty stations every 3 or so years?
@Incrediblebowlesmodels there are plenty of charging stations now that Ford can use the Tesla superchargers. It will just add a few hours to each day of your trip.
@@JerryRigEverythinga few hours for charging is a lot more time than filling up a gas truck Zack.
You saved 30k in gas? Right. Be happy with your purchase, but you don't have to lie. At best, you saved about 6500. My math, since clearly some here can't do it, is 40000mi/15mpg*3$g
Thank you so much for using cost per mile. This is what I’ve been, personally, using to convey just how much cheaper EVs are to use. I made a lateral move on vehicle cost, going from a $40k ICE to a $40k EV, so overall, my costs are way lower. My EV uses scheduled charging for cheaper electricity rates at 6 cents per kWh and is likely more efficient than the F150 Lightning, so I calculate my per mile cost is near 2 cents per mile. My previous ICE was calculated to be over 10 cents per mile on just fuel cost, so maybe 15 or so cents with maintenance?
I was just looking at my next maintenance, due in January. A lot of people believe you must go to the dealer for all maintenance. The key things in my next maintenance are checking fluid levels, which all are fine, checking 12v battery, which was recently replaced due to a fault, rotate the tires, which isn’t needed as I had a tire become damaged from road debris and a pair was replaced prompting a rotation anyway, and replace the cabin air filter, but it probably doesn’t actually need it. Why should I take it to the dealer, at this point? I’ll just mark it done and move on.
Finally, I’d love to see chrome and piano black…or anything reflective below the eye line…banned from vehicle interiors. My car had (yeah, past tense) piano black surfaces that reflected the sun in my face while driving. I spent $300 on stealth PPF to fix it. The shop actually had templates for it. Not only does it fix this problem it looks WAY better.
Title changed. Used to be a review of the Lightning…
Gotta flip-flop, just like Kamala in his political video.
@@AviationDirection yup liberal to a T
the cost of electricity in Belgium is about 40cent/kwh!!
That is a big difference!!
Keep up te good work,
Greetings from Marc C,
Belgium,Europe.
The "boy math" needs a couple of small tweaks to include the increased tire wear of EV's, the increased insurance costs, and the occasional charge at a DC fast charger on road trips. That would probably move the needle to around 500,000 miles as the break-even point?
it’s girl math
And he just swept the battery cost under the rug... Ford's warranty explicitly doesn't cover it past his own calculated break even point, so you would have to replace the battery. He needs to get his head out of the electric vehicle cult.
It looks like the standard range ford lightning battery costs almost $30,000. That's the cost of a basic gas truck in its entirety. It also puts the cost of operation at far, far, far higher than a gas truck. And sure, I guess Zach here just won't keep his trucks that long, but that's not a fair and balanced comparison. He's basically saying "hope your battery goes bad within warranty, or else sell it to someone else and make it their problem."
Add in further concerns about the complete lack of right of repair for EVs across the board, and EVs are downright anti consumer and purely for the elite. At least these huge, expensive EVs. There's something to be said about a small EV for work commuting or for things like local delivery trucks but... not for the average consumer.
plus the massive increase in electricity usage while towing and the non existante range if you use your truck as a truck.
@@KaufDirGeld he did say that tbf
Please explain how occasional fast charge significantly changes anything when fast charging cost are still cheaper or roughly the same as gas the majority of the time.
72,000
- 48,000
24,000 if you put that away in a 4% return it’s 960 in interest
That adds about 5 cents a mile for your 18k miles in boy finance costs to the EV. It would be more if you have a bad finance rate instead of cash
You would also need to include insurance rates but not sure how Utah handles their markets so that’s an exercise for a boy insurance adjuster
Not factoring in the lighting is twice as much up front nearly, also the lighting will go through tires faster and the drop in performance over winter's. Gas is king
My boy math also includes Section 179 deductions😎
I feel like you can’t just factor out the battery pack replacement just because you buy a new truck every couple years. A lot of people drive cars with a lot more than 100k miles. And having to replace a $20k battery pack on a high mileage car for the average American would basically just total it immediately. Not to mention increased tire wear, higher insurance costs, different resale values, etc. It seemed like you nitpicked all the ICE downsides then didn’t include anything besides electricity cost for the EV.
Not only that, but the $0.10/KWh is if you plug in from your building or house... which for most EV owners means installing a $10K supercharger at home. If you can't plug in at home, you also have to pay more per KWh bc you're doing it through a charging network owned by companies needing to make a profit. And then you have battery replacements... yeah EVs don't have as much maintenance as gas cars... but a gas powertrain will outlast ant EV battery by miles and miles and miles even if it needs maintenance every so often.
Welcome to influencers on TH-cam my friend.
All of the upsides, none of the downsides, zero accountability.
@@daveizdebski I installed a charger in my house for $400 that fully charges my tesla in a couple hours. $10K is so wrong
You don’t need to replace the battery at all, lots of teslas over 100k miles still have more than 80 percent of their capacity. It’s not like they just die
@@daveizdebski0 people are paying 10k for a charger install. Mine cost 200 total.
you totally got me with the knife on the truck door 😂 😂
1:17 what du heeeeeeell
Some interesting options like BYD’s Shark 6 hybrid could be more accessible to average Americans but it takes pressure to make that happen at the same time as bringing production base home.
Can you also compare resale value?
Get a 4th truck the silverado!!!
I completely agree with everyone chrome should not be inside while most companies do a brushed effect to stop this annoying issue some companies still do it.
I got a 2022 tremor f-150 and wish I would have waited for a lightning. It has the tech package and gets over the air updates as well, it was also deleting my presets after an update, but I think the more recent ones it didn’t do that anymore. You can get a lightning flash, for less than a tremor now, at least the way I outfitted mine.
0:16 Just a few minutes?
lmao this dude voted for Kamala, more like his whole life
What does that have to do? @@staticboss4029
lol you son of a… I sat here yelling “what’s he doing!!!! “ ha ha very funny
It’s electric?
Yeo
Obviously
Good day, that is incorrect, it's powered by a small singularity in the engine bay.
In our livery business - it's not even close, our EVs are massively less $ to operate. Our Tesla has only needed a set of tires ($1,250). Our Rivian has needed nothing. On the other hand, our BMW 750 and Lincoln Navigator have needed over $15k in maintenance and service bills this year alone.
A bunch of the electricity is generated via our solar.... I'll go with Jerry's math on electricity vs gasoline ... I just know the EVs are far cheaper, especially in CA.