Just as the writers and directors of films get their opinions turned into major motion pictures, I believe everyone is entitled to an opinion. Here's mine.
@@geraltofrivia7484 Quick question- When did he bring up politics? Judging by the emoji, it appears to be a harmless joke, although I'm relatively young so if I'm wrong, feel free to correct me :)
I'm a fan of the sequel trilogy, but that would have been amazing with Filoni at the helm! Clone Wars was a great show. I'd love to see him get his own trilogy! And since we already have the sequel trilogy, give him free reign and full control for a new one. I guarantee it'll bring the whole Fandom back together
@@CKelloggs That's not a high bar by any metric. Mandalorian is just a Western in space. It's nothing great, nothing memorable, just some simple entertainment with a mcguffin driving a simple plot. Which is fine, but that this is considered one of the best things Disney has done with Star Wars speaks for how absolutely horrible the rest is.
If Ruin Johnson wanted an actual deconstruction, it would have been like in Kung Fu Panda, a superior movie: Ben was turning to the dark, thanks to Snoke's influence, and blinded by idealism, Luke thought that he could redeem him, and never saw that he was turning into Kylo Ren... Then Kylo Ren slaughtered Luke's students, and from that moment, Luke had to live with his failure, and learned that maybe there's no good in everyone.
my father was space hitler that literally blew up a whole planet full of billions of innocent people, but he still had good in him. my nephew is confused and being coerced by a mysterious darkside user, hes still my student i can talk to him....nah ill slaughter him while he sleeps, thatll show the dark side heehee
When Luke said “my sister” you can really tell how personally invested he is. Mark Hamill really is Luke and he was trying to tell them “this ain’t me”
@@truthhertz10 Because he knew that those of us who watched him on that big screen as children and saw that with tenacity and true hope one person can overcome any adversity, would not accept someone else standing there and calling themselves Luke Skywalker.
@@truthhertz10 Because he knows he is the only one who could play that role, especially at that age. They're would be more of an uproar if he didn't take the role because he didn't like it.
Luke is more than just a super-powered Jedi master. I wanted to see him be powerful too but I like this emotionally breathtaking darker and sadder story we got with him instead. It was more interesting
@@bemotivated8443 Disney and (honestly mostly) Lucasfilms fucked up by relegating the EU as storage house relics and glorified past fanfic. Like why would it have been so hard to take the route of DC and make animated movies and continuous comics that stay true to the characters ? But that's not giving the EU the respect it deserves. It deserved to start off with the Thrawn Trilogy and an animated series (like S7 of TCW) to tell all the interesting stories that happen between the main events that take place in the EU. I can't even begin to think about how many awesome games we could've had by now. Ugh, thinking about what "could've been" is depressing af and equally angry as all hell...
It might be a long shot but maybe Palpatine stopped him from doing it? Don't get me wrong though I'm really disgusted with the goddamn sequels and most of the people who defend it.
@@boya6069 I Mean....here's the thing. George Lucas has said a bajillion times that Anakin was, in fact, the chosen one, and by killing Palpatine in RotJ, he completed the prophecy. But if Palpatine never died and was just cloned and continued to live on, then the prophecy was never fulfilled. Palpatine *shouldn't* have still been around. The Force was balanced by Anakin as his last act. The Sith were destroyed, and with his own death, the last person alive that knew the Sith religion and its secrets was gone. The fact that Palpatine was around at all to do anything COMPLETELY disrespects and invalidates the story told across the first six films.
It's been shown through the extended media that while Jedi become one with the force and get the ghost treatment, Sith tend to tie themselves to specific places or objects that held meaning for them. Like a covetous obsession they can't move on from. Yoda meeting the remnants of Bane in Clone Wars for example. My interpretation of that is Vaders helmet was effectively "haunted" by the last of his darkness and THAT'S what got its hooks into Ben (with some help from Snoke) and cut him off from the Anakin side of the conversation.
Luke Skywalker has been my hero since I was 5 years old. I'm 27 now, and I felt nothing watching him die in TLJ. Yet I cried watching him in the Mandalorian. What does that tell you
CGI characters suck. Recasting Luke would be worse. Had to pass SW off to the next gen some day. Ep7 was the worst, cause it was merely a new, new hope.
@@wankertanker1813 it was certainly better then the shit that came after: ep 7 was basically fan service for the sake of fan service. Nostalgic but no substance. The rest was well chaos.
Luke Skywalker saved my life. Seven years ago, I went through an event that put me in a very dark place. I was losing myself to the anger and depression. I didn't care about anything or anyone, especially not myself. I knew I needed to get better. In an effort to find myself, I went back to the things I enjoyed in childhood. Chief among them, Star Wars, and my childhood hero. Luke Skywalker. Luke wouldn't run from his problems, he'd face them head on like a Jedi would. He wouldn't abandon his friends or family. If he made a mistake, he'd do whatever he could to fix it. So, I followed Luke's example. I faced my darkness, and overcame. Luke Skywalker saved my life. You can guess how I feel about Sequel Luke.
Reminiscing about your depression and anger and not looking yourself really has inspired me to dig deeper and look at the things I've done in the past that brought joy to my life. Thank you
@@claudiusatlas8083 he made an impotent Force projection and insulted and belittled his nephew one last time before overdosing on the Force and dying. Truly inspirational stuff. And then some idiots ask why people have a problem with Sequel Luke or Jake Skywalker.
@You tuber Luke in Mando S2 is legit because he is only like,5 years after beating Vader of course he would be at his peak. Filoni and Faverau are pulling an Anakin where they have Clone Wars as a middle show to explain more of Luke's fall. I feel like the Last Jedi's problems don't lie solely on Luke, but the fact that after 40 years waiting,the first thing the audience sees from their childhood hero is throwing his legacy's lightsaber away as well as..drinking green milk doesn't sit well
@Preston Garvey jeez they sure wrecked the heck out of the Sequel Trillogy I hope Faverau and Filoni find a way to retcon the Sequels for good. The good things that come from it isnt close to the bad
@You tuber yeah yeah they did his arc in empire again, just dumber which is why it doesn't work, the fact that he had to relearn shit is the laziest writing I've seen
How to retcon the sequels: Luke wakes up looks around and sees the bottle of green milk he just drank. "Luke, what are you doing?" Luke looks back and sees Mara Jade and Ben Skywalker with several of his students looking incredibly worried. "What happened?" Luke asks "You drank that weird green milk uncle Han sent us then collapsed" Ben answers. "Oh, throw all that shit out. Han got us a bad batch" Luke said "You look terrible what did you see?" Mara asks "Something terrifying but its over now" Luke answers and goes to continue teaching his students.
The biggest problem with the sequels for me personally is the fact that they feel more like reboots than actual expansions of the universe that justify their own existence
Force awakens was a new hope 2 Last Jedi was built similar to empire strikes back rise of skywalker didn’t feel like return of the Jedi till about the last 30 minutes
not even, they dont make sense, not in a political level (politics were erased and replaced by magic -having a black/gay/ female actor isn't politic, just corporation's marketing) and not in story/characters level This is just not Star wars
Luke was bad in the sequels, but a lot of people don't realise that Han was also bad in the sequels. His character arc in the OT was he was a smuggler only in it for the money, but then he became a resistance hero and fought with the rebellion. Then, in the Force awakens, he's back to being a smuggler. J.J. Abrams ruined Star Wars as much as Ryan in my opinion.
To be honest, abrams did things for just shock values but not keeping in hindsight what consequences a movie like episode 7 could have. Just to make them recognizable, he retconned character development with han, and unnecessarily bounded luke to that island. And all for his mystery boxes.
@@rishavchakraborty7190 I don't know what people expected from him. I mean, when was the last time he made something that didn't turn into a disappointing, nonsensical trainwreck with terrible payoffs to his "mysteries" for little did we know, the mystery box was empty the whole time...now that is the real plot twist.
I suffer from combat related PTSD... I look at Luke as him having PTSD, however, even with PTSD we wouldn't cower & hide from conflict... especially when it comes to protecting our family....
@@wankertanker1813 Wow. How you could look a hero who never gave up and say that is either zealous and ballsy or possibly stupid (unlikely). I agree, but I don't think you understand Luke or Mark Hamil at all. A jedi never gives up, to quote them both
@@wankertanker1813 Considering Luke never gave up on Vader who was so much worse then Kylo Ren, it didn’t make sense that he would even contemplate doing that to Kylo. I know he’s not perfect but it still doesn’t work and it’s just lazy on Rian Johnson’s part
Imagine being the manifestation of a character for most of your prime acting career and someone telling you "its not ur character, you just rented it". Can you imagine how Mark felt? Thats the equivalent of someone taking your only child and saying "this isnt your child anymore" and ripping it away from you.
I feel the sequels were disrespectful to George Lucas's Luke Skywalker character. I was so stoked when Luke as WE knew him appeared in the Mandolorian. The sequels had so much potential, but they completely dropped the ball. Luke was my hero growing up, and then he was just this wimpy old man.
A huge inconsistency for me is the fact that Luke struggled with dark thoughts himself. After finding out that Darth Vader was his father, Luke legitimately feared that one day he might follow in his fathers footsteps down the path of the dark side. During his final duel against Vader, he nearly struck him down in anger just as the emperor hoped he would. He ultimately chose the path of the light though, and was willing to sacrifice himself in his devotion to the light. You would think that someone who went through that would understand another person struggling with dark thoughts, especially if the person was part of his own family. For Luke to decide that the only course of action was to murder Ben in his sleep completely contradicts everything previously established about the character of Luke, and I hate that Ryan Johnson wrote that into his story.
So basically it's like saying person A had depressing thoughts but he saved his friend from depression while having those thoughts themselves. Now, after all that, they tell their Nephew with Depression that "Depression Doesn't exist"
It’s funny you bring up that scene of Luke attacking Vader and almost killing him before tossing his lightsaber away in return of the Jedi. To me that’s one of the moments that makes the last Jedi make sense in my opinion. In that moment Luke acts on instinct and emotion and nearly kills his father before stopping himself. Throughout the OG Luke is reckless and impatient and acts a lot on his emotions and instinct. To me it makes sense how he senses the horrible future in Ben and contemplated killing him to prevent that. He only thought of it for a second and he instantly regretted it. To me Luke was very consistent in the last Jedi but everyone sees things differently
@@loganastrup6870 Maybe it would make sense when it is maybe 1 week later, but it's was fucking 40 years of Luke becoming the greatest Jedi of all time but then kill Ben, he don't just had a thought he has decided to go kill Ben. Everybody don't would do that and the last person who would do that is the greatest Jedi of all time. The last thing I want to say is that the films were not very intelligent written, you just had to guys who don't know anything about Star wars and just wanted make their own Movie.
Exactly that the Luke we all know one who saw good even in his enemies and showed them that there was always something better in life that YOU could be better no matter what you’ve done or who you were
Vader: Literally slaughters millions of people and brought about the darkest era in Jedi history. Luke: I feel the good in you. Kylo Ren: Has some darkside dreams. Luke: Your free trial of life™ has expired.
@@jakegraham7265 his nephew, who he had also helped raise vis a vis a father he never knew and who cut his own hand, froze his best friend, and tried to turn him to the dark side.
There are jsut few of them. Disney even rigged the Rotten Tomatoes audience score for these movies. Thats why some believe that there are many who like these garbage movies.
@@phantom_thief_jk9859 Its your opinion. I respect that :) I for example really like Solo and Rogue One was decent. But the main movies are a crime against the SW saga imo.
@@feanorn8409 so does most of the hivemind think the exact same way. y'all drank the cool aid and there's no way you guys respect that some people like these movies with out feeling that you're superior over liking the other movies.
After episode 9 was out for a while, I decided that I was trying to trick myself into liking the sequels because it was the end of the Skywalker story and I wanted it to end off on a great note because of how much I truly love the original trilogy, the prequels, and especially the clone wars animated series but watching the Mandalorian and the clone wars season 7 shows me how much I truly hated the sequel story. I have a lot of problems with the sequels but a big one for me was that they just uncreatively hit the reset button and decided to retell the original trilogy story with characters I honestly didn’t care about instead of expanding the universe and telling a more interesting story. For example, I know the prequels aren’t perfect but episode 2 laid out the groundwork for the clone wars series to expand in so many different directions in such an amazing way that didn’t just focus on a single handful of characters but would keep expanding into new characters, new locations, new situations, and more. In short, the movie writers need to stop focusing on trying to just get raw reactions out of their audience and they need to take a huge page from the show writers on the direction they have been heading in.
I was born in late 1999. I clearly remember watching episode 1 as my first star wars movie, but I didn't really get into it because I was still pretty young. It was really revenge of the Sith that really brought me into star wars, I watched ever other movie with my dad before watching that one. ROTS was incredible from the first beat of the war druma to the funeral of Padme. I read every book I could get my hands on. I had no idea there was so many at the time so I bounced all over the place. I liked the Force Awakens. I hated that Disney had erased the Republic commando and X-wing series. Even fate of the Jedi was a fun read for me. I replayed knight of the old Republic when I was old enough to grasp the little details I had missed as an eight year old. So I walked into theatres brimming with excitement, I noticed the little details, like Finn using the wrong switch on Anakin's lightsaber, the square dish on the Falcon. I really liked it, yeah there were some things I disagreed with, but I have those gripes with AOTC and ROTJ too. That is, until the New Republic got annihilated. A weight settled into my gut, how could Wedge's starfighter squadrons not act against the First Order? Where was Page and his commandos? How could Han abandon his wife and son for smuggling? Kylo Ren took off his helmet. It got worse. I didn't see a dangerous darkside warrior, I saw a kid who was scared, who knew he wasnt doing the right thing. He killed his father. It took me a few days to get back to normalcy. I went through the canon books that were coming out to understand, but that just upset me more because it seemed the New Republic was neutered by Mon Mothma, a cool character in the EU. I was quick to hop on everything I could up until the last jedi came out. I went to see it in theaters of course. I lived and breathed star wars. I saw Luke toss his father's lightsaber off a cliff. I saw the woman-no- the girl (it wasnt till Empire that I think Leia really became who she was, and that briefing she gives on hoth is what every commander should sound like in my mind) who stood up to Vader give up and let her son kill her. It was visually impressive of course, the best visual effects money could get. Why did it feel empty? Why doesn't The Last Jedi feel like star wars? I had been a mando fanboy since Hard Contact, Karen Traviss made me look at the Jedi in a whole new light. But Luke Skywalker, easily the best Jedi of all time, giving up? I hated it. I walked out of the theater confused. I didn't start hating it till weeks later. I haven't finished the last of the neo Thrawn trilogy. I haven't picked up the books that explained what happened to Iden Versio's daughter even though I loved the inferno squadron book. I used to read star wars fanfic all the time, I barely look at it now. I went to The Rise of Skywalker, ready to bury the New Canon. To never talk about it, never read it. I saw the disgrace Rey called jedi training. A jedi shouldn't have to pick up a lightsaber to be known as a jedi. Not by someone who loves the series. Rey never seems like a Jedi. She never seems to get the weight of responsibility a jedi has. She doesn't listen to the force, she never seems to regret killing the people underneath the first order armor she's fighting. The sequels could have been great. I thought my problem with TFA would make the whole story more complex, leading to TLJ reassuring me that the guardians of the light might get old and pass the torch, but they'd still be beacons we aspire to be like. As someone who once wanted with all my being to be a jedi, why does the title feel less than ever? I once wrote an essay. A essay on the importance of cartoons, anime, and comics in a world where parents are absent. Not for school but personally. It was probably awful. We can mess up like Zuko and Anakin; but if we sit down, remember what we were taught we could come back to the right path. Ahsoka teaches us that yes, young people can be annoying, but we should endeavor to let them keep their drive and sense of idealism so that they will try to change the world. Aang was reckless with his powers and burned his friend, he was a coward that ran from his people when they needed him. He became a good man, a good person. Luke was a naive farm boy in the middle of a war, but he never compromised his sense of right and wrong. He saw something horrible and he set himself a goal to fix it. Naruto was a loser. A loudmouthed brat who at the beginning brought nothing to the table but arrogance and noise. Look at the young man the faces down Pein, who he shows mercy to despite the closest thing he had to family had been killed by Pein's hand. There were and are real consequences to the media we consume. The Heros and Villains children see today will show in the adults they become tomorrow. And I think Lucasfilm failed in that solemn duty in regards to the star wars content we've gotten in Episodes 8 and 9. To any who read this, thank you. And may the force be with you.
Very good comment! I always enjoyed the Clone Wars depiction of Anakin as I have the same leadership qualities and overall similar personality. It helped me to deal with the loss of people and things I care about and helped me to get a different perspective.
Wow i am amazed and am happy to see that someone else sees what i see in these sequels. I like the force awakens and had just a few minor problems with it, but my analogy to these sequels is taking a first step, solid and secure maybe a little unstable, then the second step crumples under the weight of your step and you start to fall. You grab a rope nearby buts its covered in vasoline. Its kind of a weird analogy when i say it out loud but i think you will understand what i mean. I didnt hate The Last Jedi either i just kept thinking i liked all of the elements of the movie but the execution of it was a monster. My parents actually asked me what i thought about it and i said it had potential. My biggest problem wasnt even luke tbh . Leia’s whole space saving scene just bugged me on a different level 😂
Disney said that rather then respecting what it takes to be a Jedi.. that they prefer feminism and woman empowerment. That’s how a girl with no training can defeat the great palpatine which even yoda could not do after nearly a thousand years of training. And if you disagree with Disney than you’re sexist and misogynistic. Welcome to woke culture, it ruins everything to touches.
Luke was an idealist. He always saw the good in people, even the most evil, like his father, Darth Vader. This is why it made absolutely NO SENSE for him to attempt to kill Kylo Ren in this sleep. It went against Luke's character. Luke wants to bring bad people back into the light, not kill them. If he did it for Vader, he definitely should have done it for Kylo Ren. I mean it's not like Kylo Ren slaughtered a bunch of unarmed younglings. Totally out of character for Luke.
It made Luke turn to the dark side. You can look at it as if Luke lost his way during the years. Being a jedi master he got over egotistical and his arrogance made him blind. It seems to be a test of a jedi trait. It happened to Dooku when he lost his way through the years
Vader literally was responsible/had a hand in millions of innocent deaths and till the end said nah luke im darth side, but luke still said tHeRe Is gOoD iN YoU. Yet kylo, his own sister's son, had some bad dreams and luke was ready to cut his head off? lmaooo where was obi or yoda to tell luke yoooo what are you doing
While Luke is an idealist, I personally never saw a problem with him thinking about killing Ben. He says it was only a quick moment, and also Luke had a similar moment against Vader where he had a moment of rage against Vader. But yeah maybe they probably could of made Luke better
I don't see anyone talking about this: From everything we know about being a jedi is that it's a discipline, an intense one. As you face trials and overcome them you build skills within yourself. That's what makes it possible for you to become a master. For Luke to have faced the trial by combat that was facing Vader and Sidious in Return, he had to either win or lose. Learn the lesson, or fall. Here's my main thing; when you learn a skill you don't just up and forget it. When Luke looked down at his mechanical hand and felt the fear and anger that was pulling him to the dark side and said No anyway, THAT was a new skill he learned *Achievement Unlocked*. He knew what the dark side was and rejected it. There is no way that same Luke, would feel the fear of seeing Ben's future and react the way he did, essentially giving into the dark side, even for a moment. Rian Johnson did not respect what Luke learned in Return.
But human beings don't rank up like an RPG character. There is no "achievement unlocked" in real life, no skill points to allocate to your dark side resistance score. The dark side is more like a drug addiction, every day is a struggle to keep from falling into the trap. This is why the Jedi council found force users as young children, and taught them to abandon all social attachments, and suppress their feelings.
@@raafeyplayz7015 Maybe, but my point is being a Jedi doesn't shield you from falling to the dark side. They went through rigorous training because the dark is such an easy trap to fall into. You're not safe from it just because you resisted it one time. Much like drug addiction, it is something a person will struggle with their whole life.
@@omarmansour6766they're a Disney shill. What people fail to understand is the fans don't give a fuck if it makes sense or not, people don't pop halo into their xbox to see masterchief playing with barbie dolls. People like Luke Skywalker because no matter how low you are, Luke is ALWAYS gonna have hope. Even if a lot does happen in 40 years, we didn't see it. Noone turns on a star wars movie to see Luke be a loner and try to kill Ben over a dream when his dad was VADER and he was like I see the good in you. We love that because we all need someone like that
The comment Rian Johnson said about how he wants his movies to go to opposite extremes is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. That does not belong in any movie, let alone on such an important story as Star wars. What he did was disrespectful to the characters, to the storyline, to George Lucas and his vision, and to the fans. Especially to the new fans that are now growing up with the new trilogy. They now have a concept that is not right of not only Luke but of what Star Wars is supposed to be in general: a story of true Hope as Filoni said.
@RodianDude I understand that RJ wants to make movies that make an audience feel something, rather than feel nothing, but he's not the right person to *continue* a saga if he isn't interested in making it consistent. Disney bought the franchise because of the built in fanbase that was going to guarantee them money. If you then tell those fans, "SW is what we say it is" and make a shift with characters and tone, then don't be surprised if fans lose interest - especially when all the ideas are recycling or referencing what we already saw.
@RodianDude There's the saying "just because you can doesn't mean you should" this definitely applies here. Yes he was completely in his rights to do what he did but that doesn't make it a good thing. He doesn't owe anyone anything but he definitely ruined what a lot of people loved
@RodianDude I might agree with you if he was helming an indie film, like what he's used to. But *Disney* didn't pay billions to bring in only half the money they could have. Despite any high minded words about _art,_ this is a film franchise _intended to make money._ And the *fans* are your core *consumers.* I'm certainly not the first to make this analogy, but when you go to McDonald's to get a Big Mac, you don't want them to hand you a box of lima beans. Your customers won't come back. It's a no-brainer.
I love this channel so much. I'm a lifelong SW fan and really enjoyed the bold changes of TLJ. Kylo in particular was fascinating, and his growth from TFA was refreshing. I also liked Luke, the galactic Boy Scout, ran into hard times and then lost his optimism for a time. As a grown adult, that's relatable. But our galactic Boy Scout wouldn't have been held down for so long. Maybe he'd be disconnected from it all for a time, I choose to think he'd have a crisis of conscience and realize he's throwing himself a pity party and jump right back in the action. Even if he died to save the remnant of the Rebels, he'd die fighting. And would he REALLY have been ready to kill his padawan because he had the dark side influencing him? Even momentarily?! Luke Skywalker can be a more mature figure, like Yoda or Mace. It's okay to move enthusiastic optimism into regal optimism, especially when he's so wise and experienced. The grumpy curmudgeon didn't have to last as long as it did in order to get the story of failure and teachable moments across. I still like TLJ for what it was, but I see where you're coming from. Great points, Theory! 💜
Very mature and wise. I wasn't a huge fan but it aint an awful movie. It's a good one. It just has some slip ups. They should have owned it and said "we should have gone for what the fans want"
Rian Johnson saying, "that's Luke" says everything. His view of Luke is so weird, twisted, and specific. He acts like Luke never progressed beyond A New Hope. He totally ignores his character arc. Rian Johnson wanted to tell a very specific story and valued that over honering the characters. He broke them so that he could do whatever he wanted.
Lucas's saga ended with ROTJ. Can you imagine if Warner Bros got some random director to make a sequel to The Lord of the Rings? No-one would accept them as canon because it is not Tolkien's story anymore. People accepted the Force Awakens because it was enjoyable, and then felt like they had to accept the Last Jedi because it was part of the same story. But none of it is Lucas's story, so it is not part of the original 6 movie saga.
It sure did. The sequel trilogy is not and never will be True Lucas Star Wars canon. The mouse betrayed Lucas similar to how Palpatine betrayed the Jedi order.
I must say thank you for making this video. Hearing your perspective on Luke and what he means to you is something I can relate to. Luke is someone who exemplifies hope and I look up to that, however the place that separates me from you and most Star Wars fans is that I love Luke’s arc in the Last Jedi and through it all I still see him as one of the greatest heroes in all of film. The way I view Luke in the film is someone who was so enthralled in the Jedi beliefs that he failed to see the issues the Jedi had. It was the Jedi way and teachings that saved Vader but it was also the Jedi way that alienated Luke from Ben. Similarly to Anakin in the prequels, Ben felt like he didn’t fit in, it was said that he spent lots of time away from his parents while he was training and he felt the draw to the power of the Sith as a way to feel. Luke was teaching that Jedi must keep their emotions in otherwise they would go to the dark side, this is what sealed Luke’s fate he fell to the same mistakes that the Jedi during the prequels fell to with Anakin. When Luke sensed what was going on in Ben he for a split second thought of killing Ben, he was afraid of losing all that he worked for and everything he loves. The thing I find many fans forget is that this was only for a second as Luke instantly stopped himself. It is likely that if Ben didn’t wake up, Luke would have handled the situation better and in a similar way to how he helped Vader. It was simply the fact that Luke feared losing everything, that made him almost strike his nephew down, during the original trilogy he didn’t have as much to lose as he did after the fall of the Empire. When Luke failed he realized that the Jedi were heavily flawed, it wasn’t until Luke met Rey and talked to Yoda once again that he realized that he can work through his and the Jedi’s failure and come out stronger and be the Luke Skywalker of old. I was personally fine with the force projection because he was just trying to buy the Resistance time and trying to get to Kylo. It would have been cool for him to be there but I liked that he died peacefully on Ahch To looking at the twin suns that bookend his journey. When I see Luke I see the hopeful optimistic hero that saw the good in Vader and who learned from his mistakes to see the good in Kylo and in the Jedi. I get why Luke in Last Jedi angers so many people, but I see an amazing character arc that made me love this character even more. Last Jedi isn’t perfect, for example I wish we got more flashbacks to flesh out why Kylo turned. I just hope you can see where I am coming from and sorry for how long this comment is.
@@unclearsector4266 That's because Vader threatened to hurt his sister,but Luke only *sensed* evil within Ben. That's not what Luke Skywalker should do
@@unclearsector4266 Different circumstances. Your forgetting Palpatine was also present there constantly trying to influence luke. Luke at the time was also young and impulsive. In the last jedi Luke is old and mature, should have had much better judgement.
But Luke, didn't want to kill him. He said he regretted it instantly. Only for a second did he think of killing Ben for the sake of saving everyone and everything that he loved.
I apologize for swearing. But I f***ing LOVE you for voicing what I've felt throughout the sequels. You NAILED exactly how this made me feel. He would've trained several in exile, learning the lessons of the past and NOT leave his sister. Hamill was dead on. Luke's journey ended in bullshit. But I don't watch Star Wars for "realism". It's fantasy!! Where heroes can still be heroes. I would LOVE to write this fan fiction with you, as Anakin was your hero, Luke was mine brother. Always a fan, cheers
Personally my biggest issue with the sequels isn’t that they were bad is that the people in charge refused to except that they made a mistake and blame the fans
“Do you know what the difference between an error and a mistake is? Anyone can make an error but it only becomes a mistake when you refuse to correct it”-Grand Admiral Thrawn
Jim Draven me and you have the same thought processes. Good for you man, it’s fans like you and me that maintain the authentic Star Wars. Couldn’t agree more about the sequels
I always felt like he could've become the most powerful force user ever, seeing as how he was Anakin's direct descendant with virtually no physical damage (just the hand). Recently I've heard that this was basically Lucas' idea as well. Was also expecting to see him restart the Jedi order. We get very muddied, watered down versions of some of that, but nothing like what I had hoped for.
@@MrAwsomenessprime Daft Punk awesome luv their music, they would be well at home appearing in a Star Wars movie. Interstella 5555 is a really nice story, i dont know where they got the idea from but maybe they should be hired to write a nice, magical escapism story set within the Star Wars Galaxy.
The Luke we meet in the original movies would never: -Exile himself and leave his sister to fight alone. -Try to kill his nephew because of a dark though. (Luke tried to talk to his father who was already in the dark side.) It's just not how Luke is, and the people who wrote the new movies didn't really understand what kind of character Luke is, same with the others.
I loved the Force Awakens immensely and was so excited about seeing the Last Jedi. Walking out of the theater, I felt so betrayed. I could handle the cringe plot points that were only for agendas, I could handle the boring casino stuff with Finn and Rose, hell I could even handle the stupidity of Rey’s parents being built up to be nobodies. But what I couldn’t handle was the utter castration of Luke Skywalker as a character. Anakin is my favorite character, but Luke was my childhood hero and the way they portrayed him was inexcusable. From that point on, the entire sequel trilogy hasn’t been canon for me.
Its just a excuse for his lack of skill to make a movie that everyone enjoys. Easier to say that is what he wanted to do, than admit he can't get it right.
Rian: I want them half and half Reality: 90% of fans hate the sequels and 90% of the fans that like the sequels are commoners that have only seen the movies, maybe not even all of them.
I don’t like TLJ, but the force projection is amazing from a skill point of view (even though I hated it at first.) Still, I would have liked to see more.
To say someone will lose all hope and become bitter in their old age is more realistic than them keeping that hope is fundamentally untrue, because both can happen. Some people lose hope, others don't. Both are realistic. But ultimately, it comes down to the character. Some people are not as strong and they will lose hope under extreme circumstances while others can stay strong under those same circumstances. Luke Skywalker is clearly of the latter people. When he experienced with Vader and the Emperor in the throne room was the biggest trial he ever had and he didn't break. His dad was trying to fight him, everyone was saying to kill Vader, the Emperor was goading him, the Rebellion was being destroyed right outside his window, Vader threatened his sister, and he was physically and emotionally exhausted. But you know what? _He still didn't break._ The difficulties, stress, and tribulations Luke experienced in the throne room in Return of the Jedi were more intense than anything he had experienced prior and anything he had exe priced since (and that includes the canon of the sequel trilogy). Because of this, it's just not possible that a less intense tribulation (Kylo having a bad dream) made him cave to fear when he survived a dramatically more intense experience prior. When people say it makes sense for Luke Skywalker to give up, it's equivalent to me hearing someone like Ghandi or MLK give up on their ideals. I don't want it to seem disrespectful that I'm comparing a real life people to a fictional character, but that's kind of the point I'm making here. Ghandi and MLK were arrested, beating, had their families threatened, and people tried to kill them but then never gave up on non-violet resistant and never succumbed to fear. If these real people didn't give up, then it's 100% realistic to say that a fictional character won't give up either and Luke Skywalker is one of those people. He experienced so much hardships and, while he came close to breaking, ultimately decided he was not going to let his anger control him and rejected the Dark Side. If he managed to control himself in the heat of the moment and stopped himself from killing Vader in a moment of rage, there is no way anything would make him lose control (much less a single bad dream of possible future). Anakin Skywalker is the guy that succumbed to fear and it was Luke Skywalker that saved him by not succumbing. That's the point of Luke's character and the legacy of the Jedi.
"To explain our views on things without hatred" people these days get offended far too easily and it's ridiculous. People need to stop being so damn sensitive
@@techno639 WHAT HOW COULD YOU NOT LIKE THE PREQUELS THERE BETTER THE THOSE STUPID SEQUELS HOW COULD YOU NOT AHHHHHHHREEEEEEEDHGJJXJDU^'%$$9HDJ^$'YFG)^^'TDBH!!!
they were just trying to do Disney's buddings and that is hype it up so they can visit their Star Wars themed park and buy all of the toys they offer to the little kids
I’m sorry dude but that’s completely falsetto reason ppl originally thot jj was at lest an ok pic was becuz he was a fan I’m not sure about ryan Johnson but jj loved Star Wars he had Little control of those films and Ryan fucked with his views but jj was a fan he loved Star Wars
@@metonitazene Rian loves Star Wars too he actually loves the prequels too although JJ hasn't expressed much love for them, he loves the original trilogy.
I just want to appreciate how wholesome SWTheory is, he isn't toxic, he doesn't hate on people because they have an opinion, everyone has an opinion! Personally I enjoyed last jedi but I understand if somebody didn't. Love you SWTheory ❤️ Side note: I think they should make a Disney plus show about Luke Skywalker from episode 6-7 so we can see actual character development instead of his personality jumping from one film to the other.
I think they did that in comics. Besides, considering that Disney is probably trying to find a way to make all of their fans happy (exhibit a: Reylo kiss. Exhibit b: rise of skywalker has a lot of fanservice,), they will either do a D+ show like you said to share it with the common public, or get ready. Retcons. Me: get ready, there’s a storm coming. Luke skywalker retcons: I am the storm
I completely agree. I find the documentary of The Last Jedi: The Director and the Jedi, really interesting but frustrating. It's interesting seeing how Rian Johnson made the choices that he did, but the fact that he really didn't listen to Mark Hamill is just insane. He is the character, he has lived that character for 40 years! Also, I can't understand the intention to create a story which some people love and other hate... that seem like more an excuse to cover your back when people do end up being split on it. I suppose it could be him thinking about the marketing or legacy of a movie, as he's really succeeded there, everyone still talks and debates about The Last Jedi, but that feels like more of his ego coming through rather than his love for storytelling. Avengers Endgame was pretty much universally adored, why would that not be the kind of film someone would love to make, that film is what happens when you put the story and the fans first, not your own legacy of rocking the boat.
Marketing succeeds when tons of money is made. Toys did not sell, and this movie made nearly half the money TFA made. This movie was so bad TROS made even less money. I believe TLJ failed in all departments, and I am never watching it again. Maybe secretly Rian loves youtubers, and wanted to make a movie so bad, people would talk about it for ages. I am sure if i cover myself in shit and go have dinner with my friends, they'd remember it for ages too.
-"He is the character" I disagree. Mark Hamill is _not_ the character. He's not Luke Skywalker. He is the actor who portrays him in the movies. Hamill's input should (and definitely was!) taken into consideration, but by no means is he the ultimate authority on Luke Skywalker nor should he get the final say in how the character is written. -"I can't understand the intention to create a story which some people love and other hate" People take this quote from Rian Johnson too literally/seriously. He wanted to make something unique and challenging. With a franchise like Star Wars which has so much history and everyone likes different things about it, this will naturally result in something not every fan will like. He wasn't trolling the audience. He was making something that committed to his own vision rather than trying to appeal to everyone.
When the rise of Skywalker trailer came out and the emperor was confirmed...I thought this was going to explain Luke's hermit behavior...he said the feeling of needing to kill kylo passed in an instant...I took that as: the emperor knew Luke was a bigger threat now then he was the last time they met so he needed to immobilize the strongest part of Luke Skywalker...his heart and soul...I had believed that the emperor waited years for the right moment and found it when Luke had read kylos mind...i figured the emperor had used all his power to break through Luke's impenetrable force barrier to implant a single seed of hate in his mind, which manifested as Luke needing to kill kylo...the emperors efforts paid off because Luke now believed this hateful feeling occured of his own free will, sending him into a spiral of self doubt and later his hermit behavior...I had thought that this deceitful act by the emperor would all he revealed in the last movie, Luke would realized he was duped...come out of his tizzy and re-emerge to face the emperor for the last time...hence the name "The Rise of Skywalker"
Luke Skywalker is and will always be my hero. For me, the “true” Star Wars story ends with the Ewok celebration in Return of the Jedi - which is the perfect title for Star Wars and our hero - Luke Skywalker.
Absolutely, the Disney Trilogy is to Star Wars, what the Mirror Universe is to Star Trek....a twisted nightmare of the real world. The real Luke Skywalker has no beard. Jake Skywalker has a beard, just like Mirror Universe Spock!
Is it because most Jedi not named skywalker in the films tend to get murdered off screen? Who would want to be one after multiple genocides? Can’t have shit in republics.
Why? His interpretation of the scenario he was given was brilliant. Sounds to me like you are more mad THAT Luke was in exile (which is JJ's fault), and not the amazing arc and path of growth and development he was given in TLJ.
Exactly dude. Like if you want to split your audience over some stupid indie film, go ahead, indulge yourself. But don't mess with a story out of your creative control like Star Wars. It's become bigger than any one person _can_ control, even George Lucas to an extent.
@@galenmarek4582 I actually had a huge long reply typed up, but it seemed to meander and ramble a bit, so as short and succinctly as possible: +We have to accept the premise that Luke was in exile. I find most peoples' problem with Luke in TLJ is that they hated the fact he was in exile. Well, JJ put him there, and Rian wrote a great explanation for why. +His obsession with failure drove him into hiding as a way to try and protect those he loved. He acted both selfishly and selflessly, in that he believed he was acting in the best interest of others, when in reality, he was struggling with living down his failures (most notably to Ben). +His disdain for the idea of being a "Legend" due to the tainted nature of numerous failures. +His reluctance to train Rey for fear of another Ben/Kylo incident +His seeing old friends reminding him of the important things still out there to fight for. +His interactions with Master Yoda in likely the single best scene of the movie. "The greatest teacher, failure is." +His final realization that to become the spark the Resistance needs, to become the ultimate Legend, he makes the ultimate sacrifice. He faces down the entire First Order in the most pacifistic and effective way possible. He gave his life, not only to save the Resistance and make sure Rey continued her journey, but to send a message to the galaxy in stories to be told for generations about how one Jedi stood against an entire army and won. His death accomplished everything he wished he could have finished in his life. Then JJ had to go all screwy with it in TROS, as with everything else there. But that's another thing all together. :P
2017 was a bad year for me. I lost my mom late November and to get over my grief I turned to what I loved the most which was Star Wars and The Last Jedi kicked me at was the saddest part of my life. I can't bare to watch it again.
Also they should just make Dave Filoni take over Star Wars, he’s literally George Lucas’s apprentice and knows so much about the franchise, they should retcon the sequels and make a Dave filoni sequel trilogy
@@theawkwardgingerkid8692 they can still do it with cgi but it wont be the same without the real them. But they somehow got Harrison in ep9 so maybe if they give him a shit ton of money
Dude did you watch the video? He said like a hundred times that the comments are supposed to be RESPECTFUL. Is saying the sequels should be remade RESPECTFUL?! NO!
My daughter recently watched the entire saga starting in Episode 1. By Episode 3 she was depressed to see Anakin fall. By episode 6 she was elated to see his redemption and the hero Luke. By episode 8 she was sad and wanted to boycott Disney. It is interesting to see how some one who wasn't alive when prequels and original came out, watch them enjoy them, only to feel betrayed by the sequels.
i like Marvel, but 8 years for their first female lead movie? Especially black widow? The only movie where there was an all black set was the first black lead movie. Theres not much diversity
“I want to make half of Star Wars fans hate Star Wars”-rian johnson “That’s just what we were thinking your hired!”-Disney Well guys all I can say is mission accomplished!
How can a guy who believed in literally the 2nd most evil man in the world(and convince him to do one last good thing in his life), fail to try to help a kid who’s going through a rough time(and is prob depressed cuz that’s what teenagers do), and instead immediately try to kill him? I mean darth Vader was a man who was living a life of darkness for years on end and still decides to help him, but then his own nephew who’s still a kid and is literally unable to have so much darkness in his life becomes a little angry or sad(whatever was causing him to dip into the dark side), Luke’s mind suddenly goes Macbeth(excluding the part where the killer gains something out of it), and tries to kill him in his sleep
I agree, Ron. I also see the problem as being much deeper- Kathleen Kennedy and Bob Iger spitting on the original manuscripts that George had given to them. KK just wanted to make star wars a political statement rather than a cohesive steady story. Rian is just a branch on the tree in regards to the corruption around the sequel trilogy.
Rain literally said he never liked Star Wars. And it’s clear as day he didn’t have a clue about it with all his plot holes and mistakes, some of which he has admitted to and essentially said “oops”
@@Chris-qd8pm If there's a political statement in the sequel trilogy, I don't see it. The original trilogy was a statement against the Vietnam War and the Nixon Administration. The prequel trilogy contained elements of Lucas' anti-Republican sentiments (Nute Gunray's name came from Newt Gingrich and Ronald Reagan; the Trade Federation represented Lucas' view of the 1994 Republican Revolution and the "Contract With America", and Anakin's statement, "If you're not with me, then you are my enemy" was his crackback on Bush 43's approach to those who didn't help the US in its War on Terrorism). But there's no political statement in the sequel trilogy. The only statement I see is, "We're going to make more Star Wars movies so we can milk the Star Wars cash cow for every dollar we can get!"
The Last Jedi made me feel like Luke turned to the dark side. This guy went from being the most hopeful person in the galaxy to legitimately trying to assassinate his nephew. Gave me flashbacks of Anakin killing younglings. Rian Johnson turned Luke, the guy who saved Vader from the darkness into a little version of Vader himself. Sad to see
Ashton-Joseph Alexander he had an equivalent moment of a guy that has been through trauma his entire life, and then seeing it starting all over again, picking up a knife for a half a second in anger and irrationality. He was never seriously going to kill Ben.
Cole Morgan maybe rewatch the movie? That was Kylo’s interpretation. The real story, seen in the last flashback, was.... Kylo ignited his saber and swung towards Luke, who blocked it.
@@ABCDyeahyeahyeah they didn't change Leia much, they just showed he power more. She was the only OG character who wasn't ruined, and thats just cause she was 'female'.
I just watched “The Last Jedi” and I agree with your video! Thank you for making it and for being so diplomatic about it as well. Star Wars debates can become so cruel without needing to be. Luke Skywalker is my absolute favorite character in the saga, and so seeing him destroyed in “The Last Jedi” was NOT fun. It’s like you say: writing a character (especially such an iconic one) needs to come from a place of truly considering what the character themselves would have actually done. Luke is, and always has been, a beacon of hope, persistence, courage, and compassion. This film subverts every single one of those traits and tries to make up for it by making him attempt a weird and lame last stand. It’s just not Luke. I get that they were trying to say that all the previous orders had it wrong-but that was something Luke already discovered when he tossed aside the advice he got from Yoda and Obi-Wan regarding Darth Vader. He found that compassion, “attachments” as the prequels call it, is actually something good and beautiful. He knew that previous Jedi ways were wrong. I also understand that they were trying to make the new characters shine. That’s great-but not at the cost of a classic character. There could’ve been another way to remind the galaxy that Luke is a hero without setting him up as the main one. As for the whole “flawed hero” portrait, many people seem to forget how flawed Luke already was. He was overly loyal to people, which often set him off against an enemy he couldn’t defeat. He believed in his cause with his whole heart, something that often lead to him being reckless. His flaws were his strengths taken too far, since his heart was good. Not everyone loses hope as they age or as they experience trouble. That is not everyone’s downfall. They could’ve explored more interesting ways for Luke’s unique character to fail (if they really wanted to go that direction) without giving him an almost completely selfish attitude that went against his very grain. We’ve seen the “depressed and flawed” hero too often now, and Star Wars was meant to have that ethereal and poetic quality of good vs. evil. This idea might be more “modern,” but it’s less Star Wars. Luke is a genuinely good person, and years of peace and training wouldn’t transform him into someone different, but it would make him more of who he was. Thanks again!
Whenever I hear Dave Filoni talk, I feel like crying tears of joy. You can tell he really really cares about Star Wars, and continuing what George Lucas has left him
@@doug4431 i dont want to be that guy,but read the thrawn trilogy its basicly the real ep 7,8,9 after that the legacy series its what they stole kylo ren from.my head cannon has everything excpet the sequel movies as long as it more or less fits.
Unfortunately, he signed on for all three _before_ they even made the scripts/before Disney even bought Star Wars. There are interviews were Mark talks about how he was invited to lunch with Lucas and Carry Fisher and Lucas told them that he was planning to sell Star Wars to Disney and that the plan was to make squeal movies. He then said it was up to them if they wanted to reprise their roles. Carry said yes for both of them and while that's obviously not signing an official contract, it pretty much solidifies that their minds were made up to do the films before the scripts were even made.
Sadly, contracts tend to force one's hand. Odds are the same contract that forced him to play a part he disapproved of is responsible for that suspiciously sudden shift in opinion upon seeing the movie whose creation he was a huge part of edited together.
This is what I really dislike about modern fiction works: the desire to "split" your audience, to "subvert expectations" just for the sake of it. It's shallow, pointless and devoid of any true meaning. TLJ is one example, but we also have GoT and The Last of Us 2.
The thing with GoT at least in the First seasons, the subversions made sense and you could see the clues and the actions of the characters led directly to that outcome (for example, Ned ingenuity to Tell Cercei his plan, Rob bettying his vows to the Freys, Oberyn hubris fighting the mountain). The thing is forced subversions, that are only unexpected because they were simply NOT PLANNED at ALL. Of course no one would guess when something was not even plan.
Well, maybe there's this weird thing happening in the SW fanbase where *their* only desire is to be ~indulged~ by a great idea from 1977. To see a re-run without being challenged. Now that is actually devoid of meaning and goes against all fundamentals of storytelling. Which is: to change. SW fans gotta move on. The whole franchises potential for creativity suffers because of it.
@9:27 "That's Luke" (Rian Johnson) I think this is one of the problems -- Johnson saw Luke as a fundamentally confused and inconsistent character. I couldn't disagree more. Luke has a classic Hero's Journey arc and is a strong, stable character not only at the end, but throughout. He never exhibits this bipolar stuff to which Johnson says "That's Luke." No, it isn't.
I rarely feel bad for actors since they make a ton of money on these films. However, I really feel bad for Mark. Imagine your whole career you are know for 1 character, then see that character completely destroyed against your strong objections. They crushed that mans whole acting identity right before his eyes.
Mark Hamill isn’t just known for one character... he’s done a ton of stuff. Most notably, he’s the go-to pick for the voice of The Joker, he voiced Skips in Regular Show, he voiced Fire Lord Ozai in Avatar: The Last Airbender, and various other works. Similarly, Harrison Ford isn’t JUST Han Solo, he’s also Indiana Jones, Rick Deckard, and a ton of other roles. Labeling an actor as one role is pretty disrespectful. Additionally, while a director might listen to the ideas of the actors, it’s ultimately not up to them. Compromise almost never makes a good film. Most people hated Justice League because it was a HUGE compromise. Mark knew this about movies, and that’s why he took the job (and for the money, obviously).
@@someperson1415 While Mark Hamil has an impressive resume, he has said that there were multiple bg roles he was passed up for because he was Luke Skywalker and directors were scared that people couldnt see past that. So most of his work after episode 6 was voice acting.
I heard that when Mark signed on to do Ep 7, he thought Lucas was gonna do it, disney revealed the truth to him months after he signed on. I honestly believe Mark should have put his foot down after seeing the script for Ep 8, and said "I'm not doing this, you can sue me for breach of contract if you like, but that's FINAL"
rian johnson is a Sith he's a social engineer he manipulated us into turning on each other and he admitted it who in their right mind would want their piece of art to be divisive? sounds like he feeds on conflict
Well, maybe that's just an excuse for creating shitty art. In the end, after everyone tells you that you suck, you can still pretend like it was intended
I wish stormtroopers were guarding my cinema and just turned me round saying "Move along. Nothing to see here. Move along." Would have Saved me a lot of pain
You know, about the part of him exiling for 2-3 decades and cutting off force communication with his sister, I think this COULD have made sense, had what I’m about to say been the story line: After Kylo’s destruction of Luke’s academy, and learning new knowledge that there were new forces of evil at hand like snoke - Luke realizes in his old and weary age that he isn’t strong enough to take them, so he spends 30 years discovering more secrets of the force, digging deeper as to how he can defeat the dark side, advancing his training through lightsaber combat and meditation. He speaks to Yoda and Obi Wan, pleading for their knowledge and guidance. So yeah. All in all, Luke is spending this crazy amount of time, trying to become as strong as he possibly can, knowing that he is “the only hope.”
Why would they? The Clone Wars were done ages ago and most people weren't even alive when the republic existed. They should not have thrown him in for no reason and they didn't. I liked that move.
Anakin's very name invokes the prequels. I bet the writers thought they would trigger PTSD relapses of Hayden's bad acting moments if they even uttered the name Anakin Skywalker. Sadly, they either didn't realize (or just didn't give a crap) that Anakin is integral to the story, and neglecting his existence would come back to bite them in the ass.
it was johnson trying to do something unique rather than giving us the same old. if abrams directed this movie luke would be the same old like we’ve known for like 40 years. in my opinion that would be very boring and i’d rather have someone try it bring us something new. same way when the prequels were crucified when they first came out but they gave us the true scope of the star wars universe
@@Miker6348 I respect your opinion but here is mine. I think luke should still stay the same. I think they shouldve made him fail of course everyone fails but they shouldve made him redeem himself better than what they did. It was also stupid because he could bring vader back to the light who literally killed a bunch of jedi and rebels, yet when kylo has a bad dream, he is scared and wants to kill him. That's just stupid. Luke just simply isnt like that. Even when his arm was cut off, he still tried to bring vader back to the light, he never gave up. And because of some stupid vision, he gives up on kylo like what kind of crap is that? I think more people would like the movie if luke wasnt some hermit and was more than that. I think him being a hermit just ruins the legacy. They shouldve kept legends luke. Besides, I'm pretty sure people would love to see Luke's jedi order and his cool mission rather than him scared of a swolo supreme leader.
@Ish Moore when i said the true scope of the star wars universe i was referring to the prequels not the sequels. the sequels were just a rehashing of many things we saw in the original trilogy. some people like this but i want new things. that’s what is ruining star wars is people defining what is and what isn’t a good star wars movie when that completely up for interpretation. in the same way i like the last jedi for trying different things and changing our favorite characters in different ways you dislike it because your opinion of a good star wars movie is the similar format to the originals. we both have different opinions and neither of ours are a definitive right or wrong. they will never be able to please all of us :(
Your opinions are 100% valid! Up front, thank you for stating that us as Star Wars fans must learn to discuss these matters without animosity. We (at the very least) have one thing in common - our love of Star Wars - and that one thing should not divide us. Now, for my opinions. I was shocked right through the Last Jedi. I enjoyed it, but I was shocked. I remember sitting in the cinema, being soooo hyped up for this film, and feeling that excitement sink when Luke outright refuses to help Leia and then proceeds to say the jedi must end. As you said, he spent just over half his life trying to rebuild what Palps and Vader broke down. I will be honest: I was never the biggest Luke Skywalker fan, BUT he rose above being an average farm boy on Tatooine. He summoned the courage to leave behind everything that was familiar, to help people who he didn't even know. His father was one of the most evil (presumably) figures in the galaxy, yet he refused to believe that Anakin was 100% lost. He refused to kill Vader (like Yoda and Obi-Wan implied he'd have to) JUST BECAUSE IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. That was the Luke Skywalker I knew: Luke I-have-to-do-the-right-thing Skywalker. For this reason, I have a very deep respect for Luke (and I find that as time goes on, I like him more and more). I recently read books like the Aftermath trilogy by Chuck Wendig, and Bloodline by Claudia Gray, and I feel like, if they incorporated some of the info in these novels into the books, it would feel less random and disjointed. So while I do not detest the sequels, I dislike the disjointedness. I dislike that some characters' arcs were neglected. I dislike that our understanding of how the Force works, built up through Episodes I-VI, Clone Wars and Rebels, was basically discarded. But, I absolutely get where you are coming from. Thank you for taking the time to make such a tactful, respectful video. May the Force be with you too.
@@randomcontentguy2521 Mark doesn't own Luke, if anyone owns luke its George. Playing the character doesn't give you the the right to say whats right or wrong about it. He openly admitted he was wrong about that too, of course butthurt fans were like "Disney just made him say that" but then he shot that down too, Mark has NEVER been someone who'd just say whatever to please people he's always been very honest about how he feels about something, whether thats at the beginning when he hadn't seen the film or after and he admitted he was wrong about it. But he certainly doesn't own the character.
Luke: Ben was too far gone, I couldn't save him from Snoke. Also Luke: I know there's still good in you father *meanwhile his father being space Hitler for 30 years*
@@Ower8x still 20 years is a long time...then you have ben who has a nightmare and luke be like: oh he should die. That's like anakin in the jedi order having a nightmare about his mother dying and obi wan killing him because of that.
I believe Rian Johnson is a sith and tried to destroy star wars. Thank God Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni came into the picture to balance the force. Thank you Mandalorian!
@Mudshrooze Jon and Dave weren't the ones who fired her. Jon loves her. It was the cancel culture. And why is the show dead? Her role in the mandalorian season 3 wouldn't be that big. It's a story about Bo katan and Mando. But rangers of the new republic is dead. Because Gina would have benn the man character
I still remember fondly when I was little, recieving a random book from my mother, seeing it was a Star Wars book, not really knowing there was a book about the series. But I read it, and it was with Han, Leia and Chewies kids, learning the force, and Luke showing up quickly at a scene, those key details remained with me for years. Graned memory is vague, and still is, but I so wish they had done the books, because this didn't feel like Star Wars, the sequals, they at most for me, felt like a fanfic, or maybe set in the Star Wars universe, but not the original Star Wars movies.
Rithrius he didn’t want to kill Ben, he did the same thing he did to Vader: he acted out of anger and almost completely gave into his instincts and killed who he though was his enemy. Luke in the sequels in perfect
Except he never tried to kill him...He was just shocked shorty by what he saw in Kylos mind that he activated his light saber. He even said he was ashamed of it imideatly. Same happend when he actually tried to kill vader out of fear for his sister...
@@Darkness1984 You just keep repeating this comment everywhere like a fax machine. He contemplated it and pulled out his lightsaber while he slept, for multiple seconds. Which is all the time it took him to get to his room. Vader had a massive kill count, was already hounding him and his sister and many more for years, and was already a fully learned master of the dark force. An older Luke that isn't being directly threatened by such a thing and has had experience with a way, way worse situation still took so damn long to have a better response than contemplating murder. WORSE, he helped actually raise Ben. He was there and saw him grow. How much contact did Luke have with Vader besides their duels in comparison? It's imbecilic.
@@MajorLawliet wrong, he looked into bens mind, there he didnt have the saber in hand yet. When he pulled back out he got out the saber by pure instinct, he didnt even mean to.
@@Darkness1984 Ah yes, he was in Ben's mind all the way out of his hut, as he walked in, and as he looked down at the boi, pulled out his lightsaber slowly, and ignited it. Who knew Luke was so pathetically weak to influences, despite regaining his control in the presence of the biggest dark force user in the galaxy against a dangerous murderer that had hunted him for years, that he did all that "by instinct", and never realized anything until it was conveniently too late.
14:45 Dude, seriously, after realizing Johnson’s thinking process, I was like “how the hell they put this guy in charge of Star Wars???” He disrupts the arc of a legendary character, for intentionally splitting the audience and in turn making a movie controversial. That is the part I could hardly understand his logic.
It's so stupid that RJ even thinks that would be a good idea to divide your own audience. He could have done that with any film, but no he chose star wars and he splitted what imo is the biggest fandom
14:40 they gave a star wars movie to this guy? Who intentionally aims to piss off 50 percent of the viewers and he enjoys that dynamic? What kinda psychopath Director is he?
He is actually objectively one of the best directors in today's cinema. That statement was from when he was young and doing indie films. Using it is incredibly unfair.
@@rares-andreidinu2279 he literally said it again while shooting the last Jedi.....rian is a decent director. But how can you except his errors in the last Jedi, for one, he made force ghosts interact with the world. If this were true all other movies are filled with plot holes because ghosts would fight every battle.....his arc for Luke made no sense, and when killing him, his mechanical arm just disappeared with him, and rians response when people point that out is essentially “oops”..his quick and easy killing of snoke in the second episode was silly and left the last episode in a weird place.....what he did with Luke made no sense at all. Rian has said many times he didn’t like Star Wars as a kid. And it’s clear he had no fucking idea what he was doing. It’s full of mistakes he admits to himself. And you defend him because of some other movies? Rian Johnson is the worst thing that ever happened to Star Wars. Unlike most people I kinda like Disney taking over. I liked episode 7. If rian Johnson was never involved. There would never have been such backlash.
4:16 Proof: Old Ben Kenobi (Obi-Wan Kenobi, I just like the name he was introduced as) Obi-Wan lost his Master, his Lover, and his Best Friend. But stayed in the light, long enough to teach his Best Friend's son to become a Legend in the Galaxy
Obi wan did exactly what Luke did. Exiled himself when things went bad. Luke actually taught Rey more than Obi Wan taught Luke...or perhaps equal amounts. And Obi Wan gave his life to allow the heroes to escape.... literally exactly what Luke did. It’s amazing how many excuses you all will make up nexuses you didn’t see Luke flip around with a lightsaber.
@@dylantrost4471 obi wan exiled himself to hide from the empire and safe guard luke, not because of what he did. Totally different. Obi wans goal was to train him a little then guide him to yoda
Dylan Trost Entirely different. Obi-Wan goes into exile specifically to protect Luke and train him when he’s ready and to direct him to Yoda. Obi-Wan didn’t try to murder a padawan while they were sleeping either - *big* distinction. Obi-Wan also doesn’t abandon his friends because the friends that were still alive literally planned out the exile and separation of who was left, and the Jedi were being actively hunted down by the Empire. Luke has no excuse other than selfish self-pity and suicide. Luke gives Rey a lesson about philosophy of the Force and his own twisted philosophy about the Jedi - no more. Rey gains no physical or practical Force training from Luke. Obi-Wan gives philosophy, teaches how to see through only the Force in practical situations, and teaches blaster bolt deflection which he can easily practice himself further. We didn’t need Luke to flip around and be op. We needed Luke. Besides, Obi-Wan and Yoda didn’t flip around in the OT if you remember.
@@lewis7607 dont bother trying to explain it to this Dylan kid. He may have watched bits and pieces of the OT once which is why he clearly has a fundamental misunderstanding of Star Wars.
It was pointless. It shouldn't have been in the sequel trilogy. Instead, luke should have showed up on starkiller base, fight off Kylo, and told Rey that she needs training. Then the next movie takes place a yr or two later and she is making her own lightsaber. It could have been the one from the rise of Skywalker, and to top it off, the explanation for like vanishing is because he was in search for his daughter who went missing after his wife Mara Jade was killed by snoke. Rey turns out to be that lost daughter explaining her power, and that leads to the final battle of Luke vs snoke and Rey vs kylo
Okay, let me get this straight. Luke in ROTJ sensed there was still good in Vader who has killed millions, but when his young nephew has a bad dream he just tries to kill him!?
@RodianDude But that is what the audience get told by Kylo BEFORE they hear Luke's side, and that is what stays with them. The audience form opinions of characters based on first impressions. If you give the audience that, some of them will say, "I'm out" before they even get to the end. They've already started disliking everything, so the ending won't satisfy them. It's not that hard to understand, but instead you want to argue with someone because they don't like as you do.
@RodianDude he went into his room and activated his saber over his bed, that's close enough to trying to be completely out of character for Luke. It's a disgrace to the character and why the sequels will never be canon to many many Star Wars fans. It's garbage written by a director with an agenda that didn't include writing a good story.
@@cycleplays2395 Except he never tried to kill him...He was just shocked shorty by what he saw in Kylos mind that he activated his light saber. He even said he was ashamed of it imideatly. Same happend when he actually tried to kill vader out of fear for his sister...
Cycle Plays is it really out of character? He sensed that Ben would become Vader 2.0, and he instinctively responds the same way he did when confronting Vader. He has a flashback of the darkness that was within him, he immediately pulls himself out of it, but it’s too late. I think it was a pretty natural reaction for a Skywalker who’s finding out that everything he fought against is about to happen again in his own nephew.
@@claudiusatlas8083 It really is out of character. Luke did that against a "monster" that had already accrued a line of the dead on the 7 or 8 digits, hounded his friends, nearly killed many of them and also himself for years, and still reeled himself in. Not in a quiet moment, while his "opponent" is sleeping, and has done nothing. But in the middle of combat, in the presence of the emperor. He pulled off better restraint, in the middle of combat, against someone with actual HORRIBLE deeds, while being a young adult. And then you tell me older, more powerful, wiser Luke that already had this as an experience, from a stupid vision that we don't even get to see so we literally can only speculate until we are tired of it, took the time to get close to his sleeping _nephew_, and pull out his lightsaber? I don't have to rewatch any scene. I have watched the scene, and I have watched the old Luke. This doesn't feel like an honest mistake, or an understandable slip-up, not organically. This feels like a contrived fuck up done to force a story down a lane.
Tbf I still view Star Wars as canon. However, I don’t view the sequels as canon in the slightest and I still think that they should rewrite it completely. Not even 30 years later fuck why does it have to be that long ? Why not even 5 years With a prime Luke fighting Abeloth or something ? (My personal dream of a movie) I do hope Mando follows a new backstory that follows the story of the OG and prequels because I loved the prequels
Been following you for atleast 5 years at this point and somehow only just came across this video. You summed up exactly how I feel about it all. Much love my man
Just as the writers and directors of films get their opinions turned into major motion pictures, I believe everyone is entitled to an opinion. Here's mine.
Star Wars Theory Great video could you Cover some more legends story lines like breakout squad?
Can you react to kenobi by hero’s fan production I’ve been asking this for months now and it is a really good video. It’s not the fan film
Star Wars Theory thank you for sharing your thoughts. We all might have different views but we all love Star Wars.
I agree in lots of ways.
I couldn't agree more with this video.
When Luke Skywalker himself doesn't think he's playing Luke, that should be a red flag
Conor Winston shut up man, his comment had nothing to do with politics
He wasn't playing Luke. He was playing Jake Skywalker.
@@geraltofrivia7484 Quick question- When did he bring up politics? Judging by the emoji, it appears to be a harmless joke, although I'm relatively young so if I'm wrong, feel free to correct me :)
@@diegopansini3152 Dude...............for that comment id give you a whole horse saddle full of coin. Thanks for making me laugh.
@@geraltofrivia7484 U made it political. He didn't.
FACTS: Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni should have been in charge of the sequel trilogy. It would have been BRILLIANT!
I'm a fan of the sequel trilogy, but that would have been amazing with Filoni at the helm! Clone Wars was a great show. I'd love to see him get his own trilogy! And since we already have the sequel trilogy, give him free reign and full control for a new one. I guarantee it'll bring the whole Fandom back together
@@MikePayneTunes Filoni, Favreau and Waititi should have done one movie each with the other two as co-directors. It would have been grand!
They are not as great as everyone paints them out to be. The Mandolarian is ok but nothing great.
@@dagoelius it's far better than the sequels tho
@@CKelloggs That's not a high bar by any metric.
Mandalorian is just a Western in space. It's nothing great, nothing memorable, just some simple entertainment with a mcguffin driving a simple plot. Which is fine, but that this is considered one of the best things Disney has done with Star Wars speaks for how absolutely horrible the rest is.
Vader: kills possibly billions of people
Luke: there’s still good in him
Kylo: has bad dream
Luke: he must die
Thats my Son not the one from the Sequels 😒
It is as if it wasn't the OT Luke Skywalker
Darth Vader - Hey! You left Padme to get space cigarettes and forgot about your children. You had your chance An...I mean, Vader!
If Ruin Johnson wanted an actual deconstruction, it would have been like in Kung Fu Panda, a superior movie:
Ben was turning to the dark, thanks to Snoke's influence, and blinded by idealism, Luke thought that he could redeem him, and never saw that he was turning into Kylo Ren... Then Kylo Ren slaughtered Luke's students, and from that moment, Luke had to live with his failure, and learned that maybe there's no good in everyone.
my father was space hitler that literally blew up a whole planet full of billions of innocent people, but he still had good in him.
my nephew is confused and being coerced by a mysterious darkside user, hes still my student i can talk to him....nah ill slaughter him while he sleeps, thatll show the dark side heehee
When Luke said “my sister” you can really tell how personally invested he is. Mark Hamill really is Luke and he was trying to tell them “this ain’t me”
I wonder why he still starred in the film though... so sad.
@@truthhertz10 Because he knew that those of us who watched him on that big screen as children and saw that with tenacity and true hope one person can overcome any adversity, would not accept someone else standing there and calling themselves Luke Skywalker.
@@truthhertz10 Because he knows he is the only one who could play that role, especially at that age. They're would be more of an uproar if he didn't take the role because he didn't like it.
Honestly Mark Hamill the actor feels more like Luke than “Luke” from The Last Jedi.
I’d hope so. I don’t need to see any more bad news coverage like “Actor Mark Hamill Pulls Gun on Nephew in Sleep: ‘It was just an instinct!’ “
Minus his crappy hateful political views
White Lives Matter he’s a Hollywood type Neo-Lib, but meh. He’s still a cool guy.
yeah lol
Yeah
That was one of the things I was most excited for in the sequels, seeing Luke in action as a Jedi Master. It sucked...
For real man. Like they just ruined him kinda. It’s just lost potential in my opinion
Luke is more than just a super-powered Jedi master. I wanted to see him be powerful too but I like this emotionally breathtaking darker and sadder story we got with him instead. It was more interesting
He died by using the force
What the fuck
I was hoping we could see some live action legends storylines unfortunately we didn’t get that(i’m halfway through the new Jedi order)
@@bemotivated8443 Disney and (honestly mostly) Lucasfilms fucked up by relegating the EU as storage house relics and glorified past fanfic. Like why would it have been so hard to take the route of DC and make animated movies and continuous comics that stay true to the characters ? But that's not giving the EU the respect it deserves. It deserved to start off with the Thrawn Trilogy and an animated series (like S7 of TCW) to tell all the interesting stories that happen between the main events that take place in the EU. I can't even begin to think about how many awesome games we could've had by now. Ugh, thinking about what "could've been" is depressing af and equally angry as all hell...
I don’t understand how Anakin was a force ghost, but never told Ben to stop worshiping his skull helmet?
I never thought about that, god these movies were fucking stupid
It might be a long shot but maybe Palpatine stopped him from doing it? Don't get me wrong though I'm really disgusted with the goddamn sequels and most of the people who defend it.
Because he never cared about Anakin, just the dark side of him - Vader.
@@boya6069 I Mean....here's the thing. George Lucas has said a bajillion times that Anakin was, in fact, the chosen one, and by killing Palpatine in RotJ, he completed the prophecy. But if Palpatine never died and was just cloned and continued to live on, then the prophecy was never fulfilled. Palpatine *shouldn't* have still been around. The Force was balanced by Anakin as his last act. The Sith were destroyed, and with his own death, the last person alive that knew the Sith religion and its secrets was gone. The fact that Palpatine was around at all to do anything COMPLETELY disrespects and invalidates the story told across the first six films.
It's been shown through the extended media that while Jedi become one with the force and get the ghost treatment, Sith tend to tie themselves to specific places or objects that held meaning for them. Like a covetous obsession they can't move on from. Yoda meeting the remnants of Bane in Clone Wars for example.
My interpretation of that is Vaders helmet was effectively "haunted" by the last of his darkness and THAT'S what got its hooks into Ben (with some help from Snoke) and cut him off from the Anakin side of the conversation.
Luke Skywalker has been my hero since I was 5 years old. I'm 27 now, and I felt nothing watching him die in TLJ. Yet I cried watching him in the Mandalorian. What does that tell you
CGI characters suck.
Recasting Luke would be worse.
Had to pass SW off to the next gen some day.
Ep7 was the worst, cause it was merely a new, new hope.
@@wankertanker1813 it was modern verison of a new hope
@@wankertanker1813 it was certainly better then the shit that came after: ep 7 was basically fan service for the sake of fan service. Nostalgic but no substance. The rest was well chaos.
@@wankertanker1813 At least Mark Hamill was involved with it and did stand in for the scenes
Luke Skywalker saved my life. Seven years ago, I went through an event that put me in a very dark place. I was losing myself to the anger and depression. I didn't care about anything or anyone, especially not myself. I knew I needed to get better. In an effort to find myself, I went back to the things I enjoyed in childhood. Chief among them, Star Wars, and my childhood hero. Luke Skywalker. Luke wouldn't run from his problems, he'd face them head on like a Jedi would. He wouldn't abandon his friends or family. If he made a mistake, he'd do whatever he could to fix it. So, I followed Luke's example. I faced my darkness, and overcame. Luke Skywalker saved my life. You can guess how I feel about Sequel Luke.
The Disney Luke is Jake Skywalker lol.
Reminiscing about your depression and anger and not looking yourself really has inspired me to dig deeper and look at the things I've done in the past that brought joy to my life. Thank you
How did you feel when Luke faced Ben Solo at the end of episode 8? He pretty much did everything you just said.
Love your tv work Dylan
@@claudiusatlas8083 he made an impotent Force projection and insulted and belittled his nephew one last time before overdosing on the Force and dying. Truly inspirational stuff.
And then some idiots ask why people have a problem with Sequel Luke or Jake Skywalker.
“Luke had a personality disorder in these films”.
That’s definitely the understatement of the millennium.
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@You tuber Luke in Mando S2 is legit because he is only like,5 years after beating Vader of course he would be at his peak.
Filoni and Faverau are pulling an Anakin where they have Clone Wars as a middle show to explain more of Luke's fall.
I feel like the Last Jedi's problems don't lie solely on Luke, but the fact that after 40 years waiting,the first thing the audience sees from their childhood hero is throwing his legacy's lightsaber away as well as..drinking green milk doesn't sit well
@You tuber I'm not even gonna bother explaining why your comment is pure bullshit
@Preston Garvey jeez they sure wrecked the heck out of the Sequel Trillogy
I hope Faverau and Filoni find a way to retcon the Sequels for good. The good things that come from it isnt close to the bad
@You tuber yeah yeah they did his arc in empire again, just dumber which is why it doesn't work, the fact that he had to relearn shit is the laziest writing I've seen
Wait even Mark Hamill wasn’t happy with his portrayal? Man now I understand his tweet after killing it in the Mandalorian
Hamill despised the sequels even more than us fans did. JJ Abrams took a fat, wet shit on Hamill's greatest cultural contribution.
Oh yeah it was really sad to see. Mark Hamil is so clearly invested in his character that for him to see Luke so butchered must have been hard
@Max only bc they put a gun to his head
@Max he only redacted his statememt bc he aint tryna get im trouble lol
@Max but anyways, Im pretty sure he meant by Ryans view, not the potrayal
How to retcon the sequels: Luke wakes up looks around and sees the bottle of green milk he just drank.
"Luke, what are you doing?"
Luke looks back and sees Mara Jade and Ben Skywalker with several of his students looking incredibly worried.
"What happened?" Luke asks
"You drank that weird green milk uncle Han sent us then collapsed" Ben answers.
"Oh, throw all that shit out. Han got us a bad batch" Luke said
"You look terrible what did you see?" Mara asks
"Something terrifying but its over now" Luke answers and goes to continue teaching his students.
You my friend are a genius
This would be amazing haha
Haha this is great. I’d love to see a Brickfilm about this!
Plot twist that was actually a hallucination because Mara Jade is dead.
:|
Perfect!
The biggest problem with the sequels for me personally is the fact that they feel more like reboots than actual expansions of the universe that justify their own existence
I can understand that
Force awakens was a new hope 2 Last Jedi was built similar to empire strikes back rise of skywalker didn’t feel like return of the Jedi till about the last 30 minutes
bryson stiles that’s the perfect way to sum up the sequels. I 100% agree with you
not even, they dont make sense, not in a political level (politics were erased and replaced by magic -having a black/gay/ female actor isn't politic, just corporation's marketing) and not in story/characters level
This is just not Star wars
Facts tho
Luke was bad in the sequels, but a lot of people don't realise that Han was also bad in the sequels. His character arc in the OT was he was a smuggler only in it for the money, but then he became a resistance hero and fought with the rebellion. Then, in the Force awakens, he's back to being a smuggler. J.J. Abrams ruined Star Wars as much as Ryan in my opinion.
To be honest, abrams did things for just shock values but not keeping in hindsight what consequences a movie like episode 7 could have. Just to make them recognizable, he retconned character development with han, and unnecessarily bounded luke to that island. And all for his mystery boxes.
@@rishavchakraborty7190 I don't know what people expected from him. I mean, when was the last time he made something that didn't turn into a disappointing, nonsensical trainwreck with terrible payoffs to his "mysteries" for little did we know, the mystery box was empty the whole time...now that is the real plot twist.
@@thebadpilot8161 you know what, that really is an empire strikes back level twist.
@@rishavchakraborty7190 More like The happening, by M.Night shamalan.
@Satanic Panic Fun and Games You're right, my bad
I suffer from combat related PTSD... I look at Luke as him having PTSD, however, even with PTSD we wouldn't cower & hide from conflict... especially when it comes to protecting our family....
Every person is different
@@wankertanker1813 Wow. How you could look a hero who never gave up and say that is either zealous and ballsy or possibly stupid (unlikely). I agree, but I don't think you understand Luke or Mark Hamil at all. A jedi never gives up, to quote them both
@@wankertanker1813 Considering Luke never gave up on Vader who was so much worse then Kylo Ren, it didn’t make sense that he would even contemplate doing that to Kylo. I know he’s not perfect but it still doesn’t work and it’s just lazy on Rian Johnson’s part
Why does he have PTSD? What from? He faced his father, and even brought his father back in the end. That doesn't cause PTSD.
Imagine being the manifestation of a character for most of your prime acting career and someone telling you "its not ur character, you just rented it". Can you imagine how Mark felt? Thats the equivalent of someone taking your only child and saying "this isnt your child anymore" and ripping it away from you.
Oof! Or like watching your childhood heroes being not themselves and someone saying, “this isn’t your Star Wars, you just watch the movies”
Disney is the real life personification of the evil galactic empire led by Bob Iger and Kathleen Kennedy
And then he walked in on The Mandalorian season two finale AND TOTALLY REDEEMED HIMSELF!
Just like him, when I saw Luke come in and shred everyone, I was literally crying tears of joy :’)
dont jump the gun. it was astep in the right direction. But still not worth celebrating imo
Calm down - Luke Skywalker had a scene that lasted less than 5 minutes.
@@soundwavesuperior28 yeah I wouldn’t say it COMPLETELY redeemed his character, but it was very satisfying to see
@@soundwavesuperior28 still better than pussy are quitter Luke lol
A+ This is why I cried when Luke, the real Luke, showed up and kicked ass in the Mandalorian.
I feel the sequels were disrespectful to George Lucas's Luke Skywalker character. I was so stoked when Luke as WE knew him appeared in the Mandolorian.
The sequels had so much potential, but they completely dropped the ball. Luke was my hero growing up, and then he was just this wimpy old man.
A huge inconsistency for me is the fact that Luke struggled with dark thoughts himself. After finding out that Darth Vader was his father, Luke legitimately feared that one day he might follow in his fathers footsteps down the path of the dark side. During his final duel against Vader, he nearly struck him down in anger just as the emperor hoped he would. He ultimately chose the path of the light though, and was willing to sacrifice himself in his devotion to the light. You would think that someone who went through that would understand another person struggling with dark thoughts, especially if the person was part of his own family. For Luke to decide that the only course of action was to murder Ben in his sleep completely contradicts everything previously established about the character of Luke, and I hate that Ryan Johnson wrote that into his story.
Whoa! I've been trying to form into words why that scene is very inconsistent with his character, and I think you did it for me! Thank you!
So basically it's like saying person A had depressing thoughts but he saved his friend from depression while having those thoughts themselves. Now, after all that, they tell their Nephew with Depression that "Depression Doesn't exist"
Johnson doesn't deserver the proper spelling of Ryan. That's why it's Rian.
It’s funny you bring up that scene of Luke attacking Vader and almost killing him before tossing his lightsaber away in return of the Jedi. To me that’s one of the moments that makes the last Jedi make sense in my opinion. In that moment Luke acts on instinct and emotion and nearly kills his father before stopping himself. Throughout the OG Luke is reckless and impatient and acts a lot on his emotions and instinct. To me it makes sense how he senses the horrible future in Ben and contemplated killing him to prevent that. He only thought of it for a second and he instantly regretted it. To me Luke was very consistent in the last Jedi but everyone sees things differently
@@loganastrup6870 Maybe it would make sense when it is maybe 1 week later, but it's was fucking 40 years of Luke becoming the greatest Jedi of all time but then kill Ben, he don't just had a thought he has decided to go kill Ben. Everybody don't would do that and the last person who would do that is the greatest Jedi of all time. The last thing I want to say is that the films were not very intelligent written, you just had to guys who don't know anything about Star wars and just wanted make their own Movie.
The campaign mission with Luke Skywalker in Battlefront 2 was the best post-ROTJ Luke we saw
Luke: A choices.
Imperial: the Rebellion?
Luke: No. To be better.
Exactly that the Luke we all know one who saw good even in his enemies and showed them that there was always something better in life that YOU could be better no matter what you’ve done or who you were
He had no motivation whatsoever to try to kill Ben and then go and hide on a rock for years
That or the one scene with him training leia in tros
If were talking cannon I dunno haven’t played of your including legends i can definitely say that’s incorrect
Vader: Literally slaughters millions of people and brought about the darkest era in Jedi history.
Luke: I feel the good in you.
Kylo Ren: Has some darkside dreams.
Luke: Your free trial of life™ has expired.
Vader was his father, he had emotional investment in him.
@@jakegraham7265 his nephew, who he had also helped raise vis a vis a father he never knew and who cut his own hand, froze his best friend, and tried to turn him to the dark side.
@@kareemismail3744 Yeah but that's a nephew, he was feeling "meh"
His father and him had an actual family bond.
@@jakegraham7265 sorry but he raised his nephew for around 15 years and knew his father for around a couple of hours
@@tobysmith7133 Exactly, and he still tried to save his dad despite him being a galactic Hitler but his nephew was an instant execution? Lol...
“Many fans love the sequels...”
Where? Who are these people??
There are jsut few of them.
Disney even rigged the Rotten Tomatoes audience score for these movies. Thats why some believe that there are many who like these garbage movies.
No real fan could like that garbage
I like the sequels kill me
@@phantom_thief_jk9859 Its your opinion. I respect that :)
I for example really like Solo and Rogue One was decent. But the main movies are a crime against the SW saga imo.
@@feanorn8409 so does most of the hivemind think the exact same way. y'all drank the cool aid and there's no way you guys respect that some people like these movies with out feeling that you're superior over liking the other movies.
After episode 9 was out for a while, I decided that I was trying to trick myself into liking the sequels because it was the end of the Skywalker story and I wanted it to end off on a great note because of how much I truly love the original trilogy, the prequels, and especially the clone wars animated series but watching the Mandalorian and the clone wars season 7 shows me how much I truly hated the sequel story. I have a lot of problems with the sequels but a big one for me was that they just uncreatively hit the reset button and decided to retell the original trilogy story with characters I honestly didn’t care about instead of expanding the universe and telling a more interesting story. For example, I know the prequels aren’t perfect but episode 2 laid out the groundwork for the clone wars series to expand in so many different directions in such an amazing way that didn’t just focus on a single handful of characters but would keep expanding into new characters, new locations, new situations, and more. In short, the movie writers need to stop focusing on trying to just get raw reactions out of their audience and they need to take a huge page from the show writers on the direction they have been heading in.
I was born in late 1999. I clearly remember watching episode 1 as my first star wars movie, but I didn't really get into it because I was still pretty young. It was really revenge of the Sith that really brought me into star wars, I watched ever other movie with my dad before watching that one. ROTS was incredible from the first beat of the war druma to the funeral of Padme. I read every book I could get my hands on. I had no idea there was so many at the time so I bounced all over the place.
I liked the Force Awakens. I hated that Disney had erased the Republic commando and X-wing series. Even fate of the Jedi was a fun read for me. I replayed knight of the old Republic when I was old enough to grasp the little details I had missed as an eight year old. So I walked into theatres brimming with excitement, I noticed the little details, like Finn using the wrong switch on Anakin's lightsaber, the square dish on the Falcon. I really liked it, yeah there were some things I disagreed with, but I have those gripes with AOTC and ROTJ too.
That is, until the New Republic got annihilated. A weight settled into my gut, how could Wedge's starfighter squadrons not act against the First Order? Where was Page and his commandos? How could Han abandon his wife and son for smuggling?
Kylo Ren took off his helmet. It got worse. I didn't see a dangerous darkside warrior, I saw a kid who was scared, who knew he wasnt doing the right thing. He killed his father.
It took me a few days to get back to normalcy. I went through the canon books that were coming out to understand, but that just upset me more because it seemed the New Republic was neutered by Mon Mothma, a cool character in the EU. I was quick to hop on everything I could up until the last jedi came out. I went to see it in theaters of course. I lived and breathed star wars.
I saw Luke toss his father's lightsaber off a cliff. I saw the woman-no- the girl (it wasnt till Empire that I think Leia really became who she was, and that briefing she gives on hoth is what every commander should sound like in my mind) who stood up to Vader give up and let her son kill her. It was visually impressive of course, the best visual effects money could get. Why did it feel empty? Why doesn't The Last Jedi feel like star wars? I had been a mando fanboy since Hard Contact, Karen Traviss made me look at the Jedi in a whole new light. But Luke Skywalker, easily the best Jedi of all time, giving up? I hated it. I walked out of the theater confused. I didn't start hating it till weeks later. I haven't finished the last of the neo Thrawn trilogy. I haven't picked up the books that explained what happened to Iden Versio's daughter even though I loved the inferno squadron book. I used to read star wars fanfic all the time, I barely look at it now.
I went to The Rise of Skywalker, ready to bury the New Canon. To never talk about it, never read it.
I saw the disgrace Rey called jedi training. A jedi shouldn't have to pick up a lightsaber to be known as a jedi. Not by someone who loves the series. Rey never seems like a Jedi. She never seems to get the weight of responsibility a jedi has. She doesn't listen to the force, she never seems to regret killing the people underneath the first order armor she's fighting.
The sequels could have been great. I thought my problem with TFA would make the whole story more complex, leading to TLJ reassuring me that the guardians of the light might get old and pass the torch, but they'd still be beacons we aspire to be like.
As someone who once wanted with all my being to be a jedi, why does the title feel less than ever?
I once wrote an essay. A essay on the importance of cartoons, anime, and comics in a world where parents are absent. Not for school but personally. It was probably awful. We can mess up like Zuko and Anakin; but if we sit down, remember what we were taught we could come back to the right path. Ahsoka teaches us that yes, young people can be annoying, but we should endeavor to let them keep their drive and sense of idealism so that they will try to change the world. Aang was reckless with his powers and burned his friend, he was a coward that ran from his people when they needed him. He became a good man, a good person. Luke was a naive farm boy in the middle of a war, but he never compromised his sense of right and wrong. He saw something horrible and he set himself a goal to fix it. Naruto was a loser. A loudmouthed brat who at the beginning brought nothing to the table but arrogance and noise. Look at the young man the faces down Pein, who he shows mercy to despite the closest thing he had to family had been killed by Pein's hand. There were and are real consequences to the media we consume. The Heros and Villains children see today will show in the adults they become tomorrow. And I think Lucasfilm failed in that solemn duty in regards to the star wars content we've gotten in Episodes 8 and 9.
To any who read this, thank you. And may the force be with you.
Very good comment! I always enjoyed the Clone Wars depiction of Anakin as I have the same leadership qualities and overall similar personality. It helped me to deal with the loss of people and things I care about and helped me to get a different perspective.
Good writing my friend.
Wow i am amazed and am happy to see that someone else sees what i see in these sequels. I like the force awakens and had just a few minor problems with it, but my analogy to these sequels is taking a first step, solid and secure maybe a little unstable, then the second step crumples under the weight of your step and you start to fall. You grab a rope nearby buts its covered in vasoline. Its kind of a weird analogy when i say it out loud but i think you will understand what i mean. I didnt hate The Last Jedi either i just kept thinking i liked all of the elements of the movie but the execution of it was a monster. My parents actually asked me what i thought about it and i said it had potential. My biggest problem wasnt even luke tbh . Leia’s whole space saving scene just bugged me on a different level 😂
Disney said that rather then respecting what it takes to be a Jedi.. that they prefer feminism and woman empowerment. That’s how a girl with no training can defeat the great palpatine which even yoda could not do after nearly a thousand years of training. And if you disagree with Disney than you’re sexist and misogynistic. Welcome to woke culture, it ruins everything to touches.
Luke was an idealist. He always saw the good in people, even the most evil, like his father, Darth Vader. This is why it made absolutely NO SENSE for him to attempt to kill Kylo Ren in this sleep. It went against Luke's character. Luke wants to bring bad people back into the light, not kill them. If he did it for Vader, he definitely should have done it for Kylo Ren. I mean it's not like Kylo Ren slaughtered a bunch of unarmed younglings. Totally out of character for Luke.
That is why I like legends so much I have only recently started reading the new Jedi order(it’s great) but it’s more true to Luke’s character
It made Luke turn to the dark side. You can look at it as if Luke lost his way during the years. Being a jedi master he got over egotistical and his arrogance made him blind. It seems to be a test of a jedi trait. It happened to Dooku when he lost his way through the years
Vader literally was responsible/had a hand in millions of innocent deaths and till the end said nah luke im darth side, but luke still said tHeRe Is gOoD iN YoU. Yet kylo, his own sister's son, had some bad dreams and luke was ready to cut his head off? lmaooo where was obi or yoda to tell luke yoooo what are you doing
While Luke is an idealist, I personally never saw a problem with him thinking about killing Ben. He says it was only a quick moment, and also Luke had a similar moment against Vader where he had a moment of rage against Vader. But yeah maybe they probably could of made Luke better
E.E the dolphin how?
I don't see anyone talking about this: From everything we know about being a jedi is that it's a discipline, an intense one. As you face trials and overcome them you build skills within yourself. That's what makes it possible for you to become a master. For Luke to have faced the trial by combat that was facing Vader and Sidious in Return, he had to either win or lose. Learn the lesson, or fall. Here's my main thing; when you learn a skill you don't just up and forget it. When Luke looked down at his mechanical hand and felt the fear and anger that was pulling him to the dark side and said No anyway, THAT was a new skill he learned *Achievement Unlocked*. He knew what the dark side was and rejected it. There is no way that same Luke, would feel the fear of seeing Ben's future and react the way he did, essentially giving into the dark side, even for a moment. Rian Johnson did not respect what Luke learned in Return.
But human beings don't rank up like an RPG character. There is no "achievement unlocked" in real life, no skill points to allocate to your dark side resistance score. The dark side is more like a drug addiction, every day is a struggle to keep from falling into the trap. This is why the Jedi council found force users as young children, and taught them to abandon all social attachments, and suppress their feelings.
@@judaspete I’m pretty sure the achievement unlock was his exaggeration although I cant speak for others.
@@raafeyplayz7015 Maybe, but my point is being a Jedi doesn't shield you from falling to the dark side. They went through rigorous training because the dark is such an easy trap to fall into. You're not safe from it just because you resisted it one time. Much like drug addiction, it is something a person will struggle with their whole life.
@@judaspete is that how low you think of Luke? You agree with how dishonorable they treated his character?
@@omarmansour6766they're a Disney shill. What people fail to understand is the fans don't give a fuck if it makes sense or not, people don't pop halo into their xbox to see masterchief playing with barbie dolls. People like Luke Skywalker because no matter how low you are, Luke is ALWAYS gonna have hope. Even if a lot does happen in 40 years, we didn't see it. Noone turns on a star wars movie to see Luke be a loner and try to kill Ben over a dream when his dad was VADER and he was like I see the good in you. We love that because we all need someone like that
The comment Rian Johnson said about how he wants his movies to go to opposite extremes is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. That does not belong in any movie, let alone on such an important story as Star wars. What he did was disrespectful to the characters, to the storyline, to George Lucas and his vision, and to the fans. Especially to the new fans that are now growing up with the new trilogy. They now have a concept that is not right of not only Luke but of what Star Wars is supposed to be in general: a story of true Hope as Filoni said.
@RodianDude Just like if you buy a famous painting you have the right to paint a caricature over the top of it.
@RodianDude I understand that RJ wants to make movies that make an audience feel something, rather than feel nothing, but he's not the right person to *continue* a saga if he isn't interested in making it consistent. Disney bought the franchise because of the built in fanbase that was going to guarantee them money. If you then tell those fans, "SW is what we say it is" and make a shift with characters and tone, then don't be surprised if fans lose interest - especially when all the ideas are recycling or referencing what we already saw.
@RodianDude So you must have loved how JJ chose to make Rey a Palpatine, then.
@RodianDude There's the saying "just because you can doesn't mean you should" this definitely applies here. Yes he was completely in his rights to do what he did but that doesn't make it a good thing. He doesn't owe anyone anything but he definitely ruined what a lot of people loved
@RodianDude I might agree with you if he was helming an indie film, like what he's used to. But *Disney* didn't pay billions to bring in only half the money they could have. Despite any high minded words about _art,_ this is a film franchise _intended to make money._ And the *fans* are your core *consumers.* I'm certainly not the first to make this analogy, but when you go to McDonald's to get a Big Mac, you don't want them to hand you a box of lima beans. Your customers won't come back.
It's a no-brainer.
I know what happened to Grogu in the sequel trilogy, guys. Luke murdered him in his sleep for getting out of line. Directed by Rian Johnson.
Underrated comment lmao
Thanks Bro. Subverted my expectations and let's be honest that's all that matters!
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Consider my expectations… subverted!
Haha ... Rian would do that. Subvert for the sake of subverting.
interesting to see that hamill is more a fan of star wars than disney.
Well, it would be weird if he wasn’t. Literally was in the first movie.
@@VelocityFilmsCO harison ford hated the role of han solo
Fabio moscadelli But does Harrison Ford really like anything?
Mark Hamill and Luke Skywalker is Star Wars
@@hannahcantrell6866 meh his opinion was stupid i mean i hated han because he was macho but he dont mind if indiana jones is macho.
I love this channel so much.
I'm a lifelong SW fan and really enjoyed the bold changes of TLJ. Kylo in particular was fascinating, and his growth from TFA was refreshing. I also liked Luke, the galactic Boy Scout, ran into hard times and then lost his optimism for a time. As a grown adult, that's relatable.
But our galactic Boy Scout wouldn't have been held down for so long. Maybe he'd be disconnected from it all for a time, I choose to think he'd have a crisis of conscience and realize he's throwing himself a pity party and jump right back in the action. Even if he died to save the remnant of the Rebels, he'd die fighting.
And would he REALLY have been ready to kill his padawan because he had the dark side influencing him? Even momentarily?!
Luke Skywalker can be a more mature figure, like Yoda or Mace. It's okay to move enthusiastic optimism into regal optimism, especially when he's so wise and experienced. The grumpy curmudgeon didn't have to last as long as it did in order to get the story of failure and teachable moments across.
I still like TLJ for what it was, but I see where you're coming from. Great points, Theory! 💜
Very mature and wise. I wasn't a huge fan but it aint an awful movie. It's a good one. It just has some slip ups. They should have owned it and said "we should have gone for what the fans want"
I loved Sam Witwer's explanation about Luke. I thought he nailed it pretty well. I agree this wasn't Luke, at all.
Rian Johnson saying, "that's Luke" says everything. His view of Luke is so weird, twisted, and specific. He acts like Luke never progressed beyond A New Hope. He totally ignores his character arc. Rian Johnson wanted to tell a very specific story and valued that over honering the characters. He broke them so that he could do whatever he wanted.
did he though? i mean, saying that he didn't "honor the characters" is kind of just a reductionist way of saying that Luke's story continued
Unclear Sector Continuing isn’t the problem. It’s the where and how of it that pisses people off.
You don't "honor" anything by turning beloved characters into losers and failures, then kill them off.
Maybe he only watched the New Hope?
@@StoriesByDighe that would explain a lot actually 😂.
Lucas's saga ended with ROTJ. Can you imagine if Warner Bros got some random director to make a sequel to The Lord of the Rings? No-one would accept them as canon because it is not Tolkien's story anymore. People accepted the Force Awakens because it was enjoyable, and then felt like they had to accept the Last Jedi because it was part of the same story. But none of it is Lucas's story, so it is not part of the original 6 movie saga.
And that’s a fact!
It sure did. The sequel trilogy is not and never will be True Lucas Star Wars canon. The mouse betrayed Lucas similar to how Palpatine betrayed the Jedi order.
Exactly mate
Lucas would make 7 8 9 before disney bought lucasfilm
Lukar, that doesn't mean Rian had to assassinate Luke's character. Luke meant hope to all of us, and he would never kill his own nephew in his sleep.
I must say thank you for making this video. Hearing your perspective on Luke and what he means to you is something I can relate to. Luke is someone who exemplifies hope and I look up to that, however the place that separates me from you and most Star Wars fans is that I love Luke’s arc in the Last Jedi and through it all I still see him as one of the greatest heroes in all of film.
The way I view Luke in the film is someone who was so enthralled in the Jedi beliefs that he failed to see the issues the Jedi had. It was the Jedi way and teachings that saved Vader but it was also the Jedi way that alienated Luke from Ben. Similarly to Anakin in the prequels, Ben felt like he didn’t fit in, it was said that he spent lots of time away from his parents while he was training and he felt the draw to the power of the Sith as a way to feel. Luke was teaching that Jedi must keep their emotions in otherwise they would go to the dark side, this is what sealed Luke’s fate he fell to the same mistakes that the Jedi during the prequels fell to with Anakin.
When Luke sensed what was going on in Ben he for a split second thought of killing Ben, he was afraid of losing all that he worked for and everything he loves. The thing I find many fans forget is that this was only for a second as Luke instantly stopped himself. It is likely that if Ben didn’t wake up, Luke would have handled the situation better and in a similar way to how he helped Vader. It was simply the fact that Luke feared losing everything, that made him almost strike his nephew down, during the original trilogy he didn’t have as much to lose as he did after the fall of the Empire.
When Luke failed he realized that the Jedi were heavily flawed, it wasn’t until Luke met Rey and talked to Yoda once again that he realized that he can work through his and the Jedi’s failure and come out stronger and be the Luke Skywalker of old. I was personally fine with the force projection because he was just trying to buy the Resistance time and trying to get to Kylo. It would have been cool for him to be there but I liked that he died peacefully on Ahch To looking at the twin suns that bookend his journey.
When I see Luke I see the hopeful optimistic hero that saw the good in Vader and who learned from his mistakes to see the good in Kylo and in the Jedi. I get why Luke in Last Jedi angers so many people, but I see an amazing character arc that made me love this character even more. Last Jedi isn’t perfect, for example I wish we got more flashbacks to flesh out why Kylo turned. I just hope you can see where I am coming from and sorry for how long this comment is.
RotJ Luke: my father killed countless innocent people but I know there is good in him and I will never give up
TLJ Luke: No nephews no problems
ya but Luke nearly killed Vader when he mentioned Leia. All Luke did with Kylo was ignite his lightsaber for a second after sensing the dark side
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@@unclearsector4266 That's because Vader threatened to hurt his sister,but Luke only *sensed* evil within Ben. That's not what Luke Skywalker should do
@@unclearsector4266 Different circumstances. Your forgetting Palpatine was also present there constantly trying to influence luke. Luke at the time was also young and impulsive. In the last jedi Luke is old and mature, should have had much better judgement.
But Luke, didn't want to kill him. He said he regretted it instantly. Only for a second did he think of killing Ben for the sake of saving everyone and everything that he loved.
I apologize for swearing.
But I f***ing LOVE you for voicing what I've felt throughout the sequels. You NAILED exactly how this made me feel. He would've trained several in exile, learning the lessons of the past and NOT leave his sister. Hamill was dead on. Luke's journey ended in bullshit.
But I don't watch Star Wars for "realism". It's fantasy!! Where heroes can still be heroes.
I would LOVE to write this fan fiction with you, as Anakin was your hero, Luke was mine brother. Always a fan, cheers
Personally my biggest issue with the sequels isn’t that they were bad is that the people in charge refused to except that they made a mistake and blame the fans
“Do you know what the difference between an error and a mistake is? Anyone can make an error but it only becomes a mistake when you refuse to correct it”-Grand Admiral Thrawn
Jim Draven me and you have the same thought processes. Good for you man, it’s fans like you and me that maintain the authentic Star Wars. Couldn’t agree more about the sequels
@@bemotivated8443 this got to me ! I just finished the thrawn audio book and his quotes always had me deep thinking, love this!
Same here!! :)
I feel you man, they did Luke dirty in the sequels. He was nothing like we remembered.
Love the profile pic man
It was only to be expected as soon as Disney made Lucasfilm their B******TCH
Even Mark Hamill was disappointed, he was like "Who is this guy?"
I always felt like he could've become the most powerful force user ever, seeing as how he was Anakin's direct descendant with virtually no physical damage (just the hand). Recently I've heard that this was basically Lucas' idea as well. Was also expecting to see him restart the Jedi order. We get very muddied, watered down versions of some of that, but nothing like what I had hoped for.
@@MrAwsomenessprime Daft Punk awesome luv their music, they would be well at home appearing in a Star Wars movie. Interstella 5555 is a really nice story, i dont know where they got the idea from but maybe they should be hired to write a nice, magical escapism story set within the Star Wars Galaxy.
The Luke we meet in the original movies would never:
-Exile himself and leave his sister to fight alone.
-Try to kill his nephew because of a dark though. (Luke tried to talk to his father who was already in the dark side.)
It's just not how Luke is, and the people who wrote the new movies didn't really understand what kind of character Luke is, same with the others.
I agree with everything but I wouldn't be able to say it as nice.
My thoughts exactly
Yeah man, i've spent so many hours and energy arguing about The Last Jedi.
I’m the same way
I loved the Force Awakens immensely and was so excited about seeing the Last Jedi. Walking out of the theater, I felt so betrayed. I could handle the cringe plot points that were only for agendas, I could handle the boring casino stuff with Finn and Rose, hell I could even handle the stupidity of Rey’s parents being built up to be nobodies. But what I couldn’t handle was the utter castration of Luke Skywalker as a character. Anakin is my favorite character, but Luke was my childhood hero and the way they portrayed him was inexcusable. From that point on, the entire sequel trilogy hasn’t been canon for me.
Same
I agree young padawan
Hello there
Obi Wan. My father's master.
Ah yes the negotiator
Hey bro
Hol up
So based on that snippet, Johnson basically intentionally pissed off or upset half of the Star Wars audience?
Ikr🤣 What an idiot
I’m not condoning what he did however, it must be some deep artist thing most normal people can’t understand 🤣
Yes. He did. What an ego.
Yes he did.
Its just a excuse for his lack of skill to make a movie that everyone enjoys. Easier to say that is what he wanted to do, than admit he can't get it right.
Rian: I want them half and half
Reality: 90% of fans hate the sequels and 90% of the fans that like the sequels are commoners that have only seen the movies, maybe not even all of them.
90%? I doubt that.
Ignorant. So ignorant, Mr. Gruber.
Facts people are like it's art Star Wars hate to say it is for kids that need hope not turned into a realistic sci-fi drama
I mean like, yeah, most people who watch Star Wars are commoners who only watch the movies, like, why is that surprising?
Sequel "fans" are just Reylo shipper trash. There's literally nothing interesting in those movies.
Not seeing Luke’ use his master like abilities still hurts
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Major hurt
I don’t like TLJ, but the force projection is amazing from a skill point of view (even though I hated it at first.) Still, I would have liked to see more.
To say someone will lose all hope and become bitter in their old age is more realistic than them keeping that hope is fundamentally untrue, because both can happen. Some people lose hope, others don't. Both are realistic.
But ultimately, it comes down to the character. Some people are not as strong and they will lose hope under extreme circumstances while others can stay strong under those same circumstances. Luke Skywalker is clearly of the latter people. When he experienced with Vader and the Emperor in the throne room was the biggest trial he ever had and he didn't break. His dad was trying to fight him, everyone was saying to kill Vader, the Emperor was goading him, the Rebellion was being destroyed right outside his window, Vader threatened his sister, and he was physically and emotionally exhausted.
But you know what? _He still didn't break._ The difficulties, stress, and tribulations Luke experienced in the throne room in Return of the Jedi were more intense than anything he had experienced prior and anything he had exe priced since (and that includes the canon of the sequel trilogy). Because of this, it's just not possible that a less intense tribulation (Kylo having a bad dream) made him cave to fear when he survived a dramatically more intense experience prior.
When people say it makes sense for Luke Skywalker to give up, it's equivalent to me hearing someone like Ghandi or MLK give up on their ideals. I don't want it to seem disrespectful that I'm comparing a real life people to a fictional character, but that's kind of the point I'm making here. Ghandi and MLK were arrested, beating, had their families threatened, and people tried to kill them but then never gave up on non-violet resistant and never succumbed to fear.
If these real people didn't give up, then it's 100% realistic to say that a fictional character won't give up either and Luke Skywalker is one of those people. He experienced so much hardships and, while he came close to breaking, ultimately decided he was not going to let his anger control him and rejected the Dark Side. If he managed to control himself in the heat of the moment and stopped himself from killing Vader in a moment of rage, there is no way anything would make him lose control (much less a single bad dream of possible future).
Anakin Skywalker is the guy that succumbed to fear and it was Luke Skywalker that saved him by not succumbing. That's the point of Luke's character and the legacy of the Jedi.
This is exactly correct, well said.
Exactly
I coudn't agree more. You have my respect.
bruh this should be pinned
Well, hello there!
"To explain our views on things without hatred" people these days get offended far too easily and it's ridiculous. People need to stop being so damn sensitive
That's exactly how I feel every time I say "I don't like the prequels"
@@techno639 WHAT HOW COULD YOU NOT LIKE THE PREQUELS THERE BETTER THE THOSE STUPID SEQUELS HOW COULD YOU NOT AHHHHHHHREEEEEEEDHGJJXJDU^'%$$9HDJ^$'YFG)^^'TDBH!!!
No, just to not be intolerant of disagreement
The only sensitivity we need is to the Force.
@@samot4100 that's almost exactly what they always say 😂
Damn, just revisiting this video reminds me how much I feel for Hamill, Luke ment more to him than we could possible imagine😪
the problem was that the people who wrote the sequels weren't star war fans.
they were just trying to do Disney's buddings and that is hype it up so they can visit their Star Wars themed park and buy all of the toys they offer to the little kids
I’m sorry dude but that’s completely falsetto reason ppl originally thot jj was at lest an ok pic was becuz he was a fan I’m not sure about ryan Johnson but jj loved Star Wars he had Little control of those films and Ryan fucked with his views but jj was a fan he loved Star Wars
RodianDude oh I think Ryan was a fan but it seemed like he was more interested in progressing his career than the Star Wars franchise
@@metonitazene Rian loves Star Wars too he actually loves the prequels too although JJ hasn't expressed much love for them, he loves the original trilogy.
That's not true at all, JJ and Rian are huge fans of the franchise. Just because you hated their movies doesn't make them any less of a fan then you.
I just want to appreciate how wholesome SWTheory is, he isn't toxic, he doesn't hate on people because they have an opinion, everyone has an opinion! Personally I enjoyed last jedi but I understand if somebody didn't. Love you SWTheory ❤️
Side note: I think they should make a Disney plus show about Luke Skywalker from episode 6-7 so we can see actual character development instead of his personality jumping from one film to the other.
I think they did that in comics. Besides, considering that Disney is probably trying to find a way to make all of their fans happy (exhibit a: Reylo kiss. Exhibit b: rise of skywalker has a lot of fanservice,), they will either do a D+ show like you said to share it with the common public, or get ready. Retcons.
Me: get ready, there’s a storm coming.
Luke skywalker retcons: I am the storm
I completely agree. I find the documentary of The Last Jedi: The Director and the Jedi, really interesting but frustrating. It's interesting seeing how Rian Johnson made the choices that he did, but the fact that he really didn't listen to Mark Hamill is just insane. He is the character, he has lived that character for 40 years! Also, I can't understand the intention to create a story which some people love and other hate... that seem like more an excuse to cover your back when people do end up being split on it. I suppose it could be him thinking about the marketing or legacy of a movie, as he's really succeeded there, everyone still talks and debates about The Last Jedi, but that feels like more of his ego coming through rather than his love for storytelling. Avengers Endgame was pretty much universally adored, why would that not be the kind of film someone would love to make, that film is what happens when you put the story and the fans first, not your own legacy of rocking the boat.
The sequel trilogy teaches a very important lesson: never think you know someone’s creation more than them.
Liam Wilson there dumb asf to not listen to mark hamill
Marketing succeeds when tons of money is made. Toys did not sell, and this movie made nearly half the money TFA made. This movie was so bad TROS made even less money. I believe TLJ failed in all departments, and I am never watching it again.
Maybe secretly Rian loves youtubers, and wanted to make a movie so bad, people would talk about it for ages. I am sure if i cover myself in shit and go have dinner with my friends, they'd remember it for ages too.
-"He is the character"
I disagree. Mark Hamill is _not_ the character. He's not Luke Skywalker. He is the actor who portrays him in the movies. Hamill's input should (and definitely was!) taken into consideration, but by no means is he the ultimate authority on Luke Skywalker nor should he get the final say in how the character is written.
-"I can't understand the intention to create a story which some people love and other hate"
People take this quote from Rian Johnson too literally/seriously. He wanted to make something unique and challenging. With a franchise like Star Wars which has so much history and everyone likes different things about it, this will naturally result in something not every fan will like. He wasn't trolling the audience. He was making something that committed to his own vision rather than trying to appeal to everyone.
When the rise of Skywalker trailer came out and the emperor was confirmed...I thought this was going to explain Luke's hermit behavior...he said the feeling of needing to kill kylo passed in an instant...I took that as: the emperor knew Luke was a bigger threat now then he was the last time they met so he needed to immobilize the strongest part of Luke Skywalker...his heart and soul...I had believed that the emperor waited years for the right moment and found it when Luke had read kylos mind...i figured the emperor had used all his power to break through Luke's impenetrable force barrier to implant a single seed of hate in his mind, which manifested as Luke needing to kill kylo...the emperors efforts paid off because Luke now believed this hateful feeling occured of his own free will, sending him into a spiral of self doubt and later his hermit behavior...I had thought that this deceitful act by the emperor would all he revealed in the last movie, Luke would realized he was duped...come out of his tizzy and re-emerge to face the emperor for the last time...hence the name "The Rise of Skywalker"
Luke Skywalker is and will always be my hero. For me, the “true” Star Wars story ends with the Ewok celebration in Return of the Jedi - which is the perfect title for Star Wars and our hero - Luke Skywalker.
Same bro
Absolutely, the Disney Trilogy is to Star Wars, what the Mirror Universe is to Star Trek....a twisted nightmare of the real world. The real Luke Skywalker has no beard. Jake Skywalker has a beard, just like Mirror Universe Spock!
Is it because most Jedi not named skywalker in the films tend to get murdered off screen? Who would want to be one after multiple genocides? Can’t have shit in republics.
Theory: “maybe you’ll be able to at least see my point of view...”
Me: From my point of view the Jedi are evil
WELL THEN YOU ARE LOST
Rey is evil
I'm going to throw sand at you. 😒
@@austinsnyder8743 ray is a Skywalker
This is the end for you my master!
The Rian Johnson clip alone about splitting the fans is the SOLE reason he shouldn't be a writer
Plus it’s not a healthy mentality to have, make a movie to split your audience. What kind of audience are you trying to grab then?
Why? His interpretation of the scenario he was given was brilliant. Sounds to me like you are more mad THAT Luke was in exile (which is JJ's fault), and not the amazing arc and path of growth and development he was given in TLJ.
@@SnapquesterMage WHY, do you say that Luke's arc in TLJ was amazing, and that it actually showed growth n development??? I just wanna know
Exactly dude. Like if you want to split your audience over some stupid indie film, go ahead, indulge yourself. But don't mess with a story out of your creative control like Star Wars. It's become bigger than any one person _can_ control, even George Lucas to an extent.
@@galenmarek4582 I actually had a huge long reply typed up, but it seemed to meander and ramble a bit, so as short and succinctly as possible:
+We have to accept the premise that Luke was in exile. I find most peoples' problem with Luke in TLJ is that they hated the fact he was in exile. Well, JJ put him there, and Rian wrote a great explanation for why.
+His obsession with failure drove him into hiding as a way to try and protect those he loved. He acted both selfishly and selflessly, in that he believed he was acting in the best interest of others, when in reality, he was struggling with living down his failures (most notably to Ben).
+His disdain for the idea of being a "Legend" due to the tainted nature of numerous failures.
+His reluctance to train Rey for fear of another Ben/Kylo incident
+His seeing old friends reminding him of the important things still out there to fight for.
+His interactions with Master Yoda in likely the single best scene of the movie. "The greatest teacher, failure is."
+His final realization that to become the spark the Resistance needs, to become the ultimate Legend, he makes the ultimate sacrifice. He faces down the entire First Order in the most pacifistic and effective way possible. He gave his life, not only to save the Resistance and make sure Rey continued her journey, but to send a message to the galaxy in stories to be told for generations about how one Jedi stood against an entire army and won.
His death accomplished everything he wished he could have finished in his life.
Then JJ had to go all screwy with it in TROS, as with everything else there. But that's another thing all together. :P
2017 was a bad year for me. I lost my mom late November and to get over my grief I turned to what I loved the most which was Star Wars and The Last Jedi kicked me at was the saddest part of my life. I can't bare to watch it again.
@@willcorbett1387 Thanks.
Also they should just make Dave Filoni take over Star Wars, he’s literally George Lucas’s apprentice and knows so much about the franchise, they should retcon the sequels and make a Dave filoni sequel trilogy
Always 2 there is no more no less
Brendan Kyle I wish it was that simple but Carrie Fisher is dead and Harrison Ford won’t wanna do another one
@@theawkwardgingerkid8692 yeah they really fucked it up making these films with other directors
@@theawkwardgingerkid8692 they can still do it with cgi but it wont be the same without the real them. But they somehow got Harrison in ep9 so maybe if they give him a shit ton of money
Dude did you watch the video? He said like a hundred times that the comments are supposed to be RESPECTFUL. Is saying the sequels should be remade RESPECTFUL?! NO!
My daughter recently watched the entire saga starting in Episode 1. By Episode 3 she was depressed to see Anakin fall. By episode 6 she was elated to see his redemption and the hero Luke. By episode 8 she was sad and wanted to boycott Disney. It is interesting to see how some one who wasn't alive when prequels and original came out, watch them enjoy them, only to feel betrayed by the sequels.
@Conor Winston At least they did a pretty good job with Marvel
i like Marvel, but 8 years for their first female lead movie? Especially black widow? The only movie where there was an all black set was the first black lead movie. Theres not much diversity
Your daughter is very smart. Reward her for realizing Disney is a bunch of money cows
“I want to make half of Star Wars fans hate Star Wars”-rian johnson
“That’s just what we were thinking your hired!”-Disney
Well guys all I can say is mission accomplished!
The thing is he made a movie like 80% of people hate, so he kinda failed when it comes to percentages.
@@thatblondboy007 where did you get that amazing number from? :)))))
How can a guy who believed in literally the 2nd most evil man in the world(and convince him to do one last good thing in his life), fail to try to help a kid who’s going through a rough time(and is prob depressed cuz that’s what teenagers do), and instead immediately try to kill him? I mean darth Vader was a man who was living a life of darkness for years on end and still decides to help him, but then his own nephew who’s still a kid and is literally unable to have so much darkness in his life becomes a little angry or sad(whatever was causing him to dip into the dark side), Luke’s mind suddenly goes Macbeth(excluding the part where the killer gains something out of it), and tries to kill him in his sleep
And why didn't all them force ghosts convince him to stop sulking on an island?
Rian Johnson with that attitude,should never had neen allowed to touch Star Wars....
I agree, Ron. I also see the problem as being much deeper- Kathleen Kennedy and Bob Iger spitting on the original manuscripts that George had given to them. KK just wanted to make star wars a political statement rather than a cohesive steady story. Rian is just a branch on the tree in regards to the corruption around the sequel trilogy.
He made it about him from the get. Disgusting
Rain literally said he never liked Star Wars. And it’s clear as day he didn’t have a clue about it with all his plot holes and mistakes, some of which he has admitted to and essentially said “oops”
@@Chris-qd8pm If there's a political statement in the sequel trilogy, I don't see it. The original trilogy was a statement against the Vietnam War and the Nixon Administration. The prequel trilogy contained elements of Lucas' anti-Republican sentiments (Nute Gunray's name came from Newt Gingrich and Ronald Reagan; the Trade Federation represented Lucas' view of the 1994 Republican Revolution and the "Contract With America", and Anakin's statement, "If you're not with me, then you are my enemy" was his crackback on Bush 43's approach to those who didn't help the US in its War on Terrorism).
But there's no political statement in the sequel trilogy. The only statement I see is, "We're going to make more Star Wars movies so we can milk the Star Wars cash cow for every dollar we can get!"
The Last Jedi made me feel like Luke turned to the dark side. This guy went from being the most hopeful person in the galaxy to legitimately trying to assassinate his nephew. Gave me flashbacks of Anakin killing younglings. Rian Johnson turned Luke, the guy who saved Vader from the darkness into a little version of Vader himself. Sad to see
He didn’t try to assassinate his nephew. What the hell are you morons watching ?
Ashton-Joseph Alexander he had an equivalent moment of a guy that has been through trauma his entire life, and then seeing it starting all over again, picking up a knife for a half a second in anger and irrationality. He was never seriously going to kill Ben.
Dylan Trost are you stupid? He swung his lightsaber at him, Ben blocked it then brought the house down on him, what movie are you watching?
Cole Morgan maybe rewatch the movie? That was Kylo’s interpretation. The real story, seen in the last flashback, was.... Kylo ignited his saber and swung towards Luke, who blocked it.
@@dylantrost4471 Bruh. That's not kylos interpretation, it's what happened
It wasn’t just Luke’s character Disney changed, but they changed Han’s character too.
In my opinion Han just went back to being a smuggler like in A New Hope then they just sadly killed him off when he could of been a lot more
They didn't, and that was the problem. They just put him back to square one.
@@vaporwave4880 Exactly
And Leia’s.
@@ABCDyeahyeahyeah they didn't change Leia much, they just showed he power more. She was the only OG character who wasn't ruined, and thats just cause she was 'female'.
I just watched “The Last Jedi” and I agree with your video! Thank you for making it and for being so diplomatic about it as well. Star Wars debates can become so cruel without needing to be.
Luke Skywalker is my absolute favorite character in the saga, and so seeing him destroyed in “The Last Jedi” was NOT fun. It’s like you say: writing a character (especially such an iconic one) needs to come from a place of truly considering what the character themselves would have actually done. Luke is, and always has been, a beacon of hope, persistence, courage, and compassion. This film subverts every single one of those traits and tries to make up for it by making him attempt a weird and lame last stand. It’s just not Luke.
I get that they were trying to say that all the previous orders had it wrong-but that was something Luke already discovered when he tossed aside the advice he got from Yoda and Obi-Wan regarding Darth Vader. He found that compassion, “attachments” as the prequels call it, is actually something good and beautiful. He knew that previous Jedi ways were wrong. I also understand that they were trying to make the new characters shine. That’s great-but not at the cost of a classic character. There could’ve been another way to remind the galaxy that Luke is a hero without setting him up as the main one.
As for the whole “flawed hero” portrait, many people seem to forget how flawed Luke already was. He was overly loyal to people, which often set him off against an enemy he couldn’t defeat. He believed in his cause with his whole heart, something that often lead to him being reckless. His flaws were his strengths taken too far, since his heart was good. Not everyone loses hope as they age or as they experience trouble. That is not everyone’s downfall. They could’ve explored more interesting ways for Luke’s unique character to fail (if they really wanted to go that direction) without giving him an almost completely selfish attitude that went against his very grain.
We’ve seen the “depressed and flawed” hero too often now, and Star Wars was meant to have that ethereal and poetic quality of good vs. evil. This idea might be more “modern,” but it’s less Star Wars. Luke is a genuinely good person, and years of peace and training wouldn’t transform him into someone different, but it would make him more of who he was.
Thanks again!
Ashoka: "Master Kenobi, what do you think the Height of Stupidity is?"
Obi-Wan: "Rian, how tall are you?"
Lmao best comment yet!
His name is Ruin Johnson, thank you very much.
The trolling master trolls again
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Why would Disney hire a guy who literally wants half of the fans to hate the movie he makes so stupid.
Because he had the "right" opinion
Because they have a narrative to push
Disney only cares about money and how much publicity they can get.
Reminds of the lofus2 director. The first game was so good but then boom! The Director pulls a Rian Johnson/SW Sequel Trilogy Disaster. Disappointing.
Total dick move
I’m a simple man I see a Star Wars theory vid and I click
Ay thanks for the heart man
So unoriginal but i agree
I make cool star wars edits and ytps if anyone is interested
DjSwaggyFitz I subbed to you bro
@@Abc-jm8mo Thanks!
Whenever I hear Dave Filoni talk, I feel like crying tears of joy. You can tell he really really cares about Star Wars, and continuing what George Lucas has left him
Honestly, I see the duology of 7 and 9 as a fun what-if story.
Past that, Star Wars ends on Endor as far as I'm concerned for all kinds of reasons.
What about Legends?
My headcanon starts at Episode 1 and ends at The Mandalorian E8. I haven't explored Legends enough to change that yet.
@@doug4431 okay comment and let us know when you get the chance
@@loyalimperial im sure he means it ends in todays "canon" world.
@@doug4431 i dont want to be that guy,but read the thrawn trilogy its basicly the real ep 7,8,9 after that the legacy series its what they stole kylo ren from.my head cannon has everything excpet the sequel movies as long as it more or less fits.
If I were Mark Hamill, I would have turned down the part.
Not with the amount of money they had to offer. He got paid 1 million just for his 3-second scene in the Force Awakens.
He sadly signed a contract before the films started.
He signed when george lucas was doing the sequels. But when disney bought lucasfilm he was contractually obligated to work on those films.
Unfortunately, he signed on for all three _before_ they even made the scripts/before Disney even bought Star Wars.
There are interviews were Mark talks about how he was invited to lunch with Lucas and Carry Fisher and Lucas told them that he was planning to sell Star Wars to Disney and that the plan was to make squeal movies. He then said it was up to them if they wanted to reprise their roles. Carry said yes for both of them and while that's obviously not signing an official contract, it pretty much solidifies that their minds were made up to do the films before the scripts were even made.
Sadly, contracts tend to force one's hand.
Odds are the same contract that forced him to play a part he disapproved of is responsible for that suspiciously sudden shift in opinion upon seeing the movie whose creation he was a huge part of edited together.
This is what I really dislike about modern fiction works: the desire to "split" your audience, to "subvert expectations" just for the sake of it. It's shallow, pointless and devoid of any true meaning. TLJ is one example, but we also have GoT and The Last of Us 2.
It's the rape of art, is what it is.
The thing with GoT at least in the First seasons, the subversions made sense and you could see the clues and the actions of the characters led directly to that outcome (for example, Ned ingenuity to Tell Cercei his plan, Rob bettying his vows to the Freys, Oberyn hubris fighting the mountain). The thing is forced subversions, that are only unexpected because they were simply NOT PLANNED at ALL. Of course no one would guess when something was not even plan.
Progressivism in its purest form... it's trash.
Well, maybe there's this weird thing happening in the SW fanbase where *their* only desire is to be ~indulged~ by a great idea from 1977. To see a re-run without being challenged. Now that is actually devoid of meaning and goes against all fundamentals of storytelling. Which is: to change. SW fans gotta move on. The whole franchises potential for creativity suffers because of it.
Last of us 2 was fucking embarrassing
@9:27 "That's Luke" (Rian Johnson)
I think this is one of the problems -- Johnson saw Luke as a fundamentally confused and inconsistent character. I couldn't disagree more. Luke has a classic Hero's Journey arc and is a strong, stable character not only at the end, but throughout. He never exhibits this bipolar stuff to which Johnson says "That's Luke." No, it isn't.
I rarely feel bad for actors since they make a ton of money on these films. However, I really feel bad for Mark. Imagine your whole career you are know for 1 character, then see that character completely destroyed against your strong objections. They crushed that mans whole acting identity right before his eyes.
Mark Hamill isn’t just known for one character... he’s done a ton of stuff. Most notably, he’s the go-to pick for the voice of The Joker, he voiced Skips in Regular Show, he voiced Fire Lord Ozai in Avatar: The Last Airbender, and various other works. Similarly, Harrison Ford isn’t JUST Han Solo, he’s also Indiana Jones, Rick Deckard, and a ton of other roles. Labeling an actor as one role is pretty disrespectful. Additionally, while a director might listen to the ideas of the actors, it’s ultimately not up to them. Compromise almost never makes a good film. Most people hated Justice League because it was a HUGE compromise. Mark knew this about movies, and that’s why he took the job (and for the money, obviously).
@@someperson1415 While Mark Hamil has an impressive resume, he has said that there were multiple bg roles he was passed up for because he was Luke Skywalker and directors were scared that people couldnt see past that. So most of his work after episode 6 was voice acting.
I heard that when Mark signed on to do Ep 7, he thought Lucas was gonna do it, disney revealed the truth to him months after he signed on. I honestly believe Mark should have put his foot down after seeing the script for Ep 8, and said "I'm not doing this, you can sue me for breach of contract if you like, but that's FINAL"
rian johnson is a Sith
he's a social engineer
he manipulated us into turning on each other and he admitted it
who in their right mind would want their piece of art to be divisive? sounds like he feeds on conflict
Thank you! I was like thats kinda villainish
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Rian Johnson is definitely a Sith of the galactic empire along with Iger and Kennedy
Well, maybe that's just an excuse for creating shitty art. In the end, after everyone tells you that you suck, you can still pretend like it was intended
I can sense your anger (Palpy, RotS)...
I wish stormtroopers were guarding my cinema and just turned me round saying "Move along. Nothing to see here. Move along." Would have Saved me a lot of pain
Needed Yoda at the cave. Only pain we found in those theaters.
You know, about the part of him exiling for 2-3 decades and cutting off force communication with his sister, I think this COULD have made sense, had what I’m about to say been the story line: After Kylo’s destruction of Luke’s academy, and learning new knowledge that there were new forces of evil at hand like snoke - Luke realizes in his old and weary age that he isn’t strong enough to take them, so he spends 30 years discovering more secrets of the force, digging deeper as to how he can defeat the dark side, advancing his training through lightsaber combat and meditation. He speaks to Yoda and Obi Wan, pleading for their knowledge and guidance. So yeah. All in all, Luke is spending this crazy amount of time, trying to become as strong as he possibly can, knowing that he is “the only hope.”
This is a theory btw. No I don’t like the sequels. I just have about 1000 other theory’s on how to fix them
Sadly, we may never see Luke's Jedi Order in films.
ALSO Anakin's name isn't mentioned at all once during the sequels. I'm still wtf'ing over that
Same bro like smh for real? Like know one even remembers Anakin during the whole sequel trilogy
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Why would they? The Clone Wars were done ages ago and most people weren't even alive when the republic existed. They should not have thrown him in for no reason and they didn't. I liked that move.
Anakin's very name invokes the prequels. I bet the writers thought they would trigger PTSD relapses of Hayden's bad acting moments if they even uttered the name Anakin Skywalker. Sadly, they either didn't realize (or just didn't give a crap) that Anakin is integral to the story, and neglecting his existence would come back to bite them in the ass.
Christian_the_Guardian Star Wars is ABOUT anakin
They ruined Luke in this movie... it was Completely ridiculous and absurd.
it was johnson trying to do something unique rather than giving us the same old. if abrams directed this movie luke would be the same old like we’ve known for like 40 years. in my opinion that would be very boring and i’d rather have someone try it bring us something new. same way when the prequels were crucified when they first came out but they gave us the true scope of the star wars universe
@@Miker6348 I respect your opinion but here is mine. I think luke should still stay the same. I think they shouldve made him fail of course everyone fails but they shouldve made him redeem himself better than what they did. It was also stupid because he could bring vader back to the light who literally killed a bunch of jedi and rebels, yet when kylo has a bad dream, he is scared and wants to kill him. That's just stupid. Luke just simply isnt like that. Even when his arm was cut off, he still tried to bring vader back to the light, he never gave up. And because of some stupid vision, he gives up on kylo like what kind of crap is that? I think more people would like the movie if luke wasnt some hermit and was more than that. I think him being a hermit just ruins the legacy. They shouldve kept legends luke. Besides, I'm pretty sure people would love to see Luke's jedi order and his cool mission rather than him scared of a swolo supreme leader.
@Ish Moore when i said the true scope of the star wars universe i was referring to the prequels not the sequels. the sequels were just a rehashing of many things we saw in the original trilogy. some people like this but i want new things. that’s what is ruining star wars is people defining what is and what isn’t a good star wars movie when that completely up for interpretation. in the same way i like the last jedi for trying different things and changing our favorite characters in different ways you dislike it because your opinion of a good star wars movie is the similar format to the originals. we both have different opinions and neither of ours are a definitive right or wrong. they will never be able to please all of us :(
So you guys hating Luke for being Human?
@@Miker6348 new? My man, he’s basically Obi Wan Kenobi/Ben Kenobi but except he doesn’t really have a good reason to hide.
Your opinions are 100% valid! Up front, thank you for stating that us as Star Wars fans must learn to discuss these matters without animosity. We (at the very least) have one thing in common - our love of Star Wars - and that one thing should not divide us.
Now, for my opinions. I was shocked right through the Last Jedi. I enjoyed it, but I was shocked. I remember sitting in the cinema, being soooo hyped up for this film, and feeling that excitement sink when Luke outright refuses to help Leia and then proceeds to say the jedi must end. As you said, he spent just over half his life trying to rebuild what Palps and Vader broke down. I will be honest: I was never the biggest Luke Skywalker fan, BUT he rose above being an average farm boy on Tatooine. He summoned the courage to leave behind everything that was familiar, to help people who he didn't even know. His father was one of the most evil (presumably) figures in the galaxy, yet he refused to believe that Anakin was 100% lost. He refused to kill Vader (like Yoda and Obi-Wan implied he'd have to) JUST BECAUSE IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. That was the Luke Skywalker I knew: Luke I-have-to-do-the-right-thing Skywalker. For this reason, I have a very deep respect for Luke (and I find that as time goes on, I like him more and more). I recently read books like the Aftermath trilogy by Chuck Wendig, and Bloodline by Claudia Gray, and I feel like, if they incorporated some of the info in these novels into the books, it would feel less random and disjointed.
So while I do not detest the sequels, I dislike the disjointedness. I dislike that some characters' arcs were neglected. I dislike that our understanding of how the Force works, built up through Episodes I-VI, Clone Wars and Rebels, was basically discarded. But, I absolutely get where you are coming from. Thank you for taking the time to make such a tactful, respectful video.
May the Force be with you too.
When the ACTOR HIMSELF dislikes how the character was written, you KNOW that they butchered Luke BADLY.
Liam Neeson almost quit acting after TPM. Actors disagree with directors all the time.
turkeydinnerchewie pretty sure mark knows and understands Luke more than rian does
@@randomcontentguy2521 Mark doesn't own Luke, if anyone owns luke its George. Playing the character doesn't give you the the right to say whats right or wrong about it. He openly admitted he was wrong about that too, of course butthurt fans were like "Disney just made him say that" but then he shot that down too, Mark has NEVER been someone who'd just say whatever to please people he's always been very honest about how he feels about something, whether thats at the beginning when he hadn't seen the film or after and he admitted he was wrong about it. But he certainly doesn't own the character.
MrEffectfilms Well, George Lucas didn’t like the way Luke was handled either soooooo. 🤷♂️
@@turkeydinnerchewie2499 Well, then he returned to voice Qui Gon in the clone wars TV series. And he wants MORE
Luke: Ben was too far gone, I couldn't save him from Snoke.
Also Luke: I know there's still good in you father
*meanwhile his father being space Hitler for 30 years*
Facts bro
Vader was 45 when he died...
@@belias360 still pretty close to 30 years
@@quinnconabree9780 more like 20 ... as officially he becomes Vader in 19 bby and dies 4 abby which is around 23 years give or take a few months ...
@@Ower8x still 20 years is a long time...then you have ben who has a nightmare and luke be like: oh he should die. That's like anakin in the jedi order having a nightmare about his mother dying and obi wan killing him because of that.
I believe Rian Johnson is a sith and tried to destroy star wars. Thank God Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni came into the picture to balance the force. Thank you Mandalorian!
Yesh but even Jon and Dave dont get Gina back the show is dead.
@@mudshrooze I don’t think Jon and Dave were the ones who fired Gina I think it was Disney who fired Gina.
JJ isn’t a good writer too
@Mudshrooze Jon and Dave weren't the ones who fired her. Jon loves her. It was the cancel culture.
And why is the show dead? Her role in the mandalorian season 3 wouldn't be that big. It's a story about Bo katan and Mando.
But rangers of the new republic is dead. Because Gina would have benn the man character
JJ Abrams had already killed the trilogy when Johnson got there.
I still remember fondly when I was little, recieving a random book from my mother, seeing it was a Star Wars book, not really knowing there was a book about the series.
But I read it, and it was with Han, Leia and Chewies kids, learning the force, and Luke showing up quickly at a scene, those key details remained with me for years.
Graned memory is vague, and still is, but I so wish they had done the books, because this didn't feel like Star Wars, the sequals, they at most for me, felt like a fanfic, or maybe set in the Star Wars universe, but not the original Star Wars movies.
Eu luke: was so OP he could do anything
Canon luke: fails to kill a child and dies by force projection
The bigger point is that he wanted to kill a child in the first place.
OP does not equal a quality character though
Rithrius he didn’t want to kill Ben, he did the same thing he did to Vader: he acted out of anger and almost completely gave into his instincts and killed who he though was his enemy. Luke in the sequels in perfect
@@eggtasticbonail7252 he straight up tried to commit homicide on his nephew because of a bad dream. you're ignorance is disturbing
@@eggtasticbonail7252 he literally fled like a coward to a planet to die not even trying to help his nephew
If someone unsubs from you because they don’t agree it’s their loss, you’re a great channel!
Good thing I was never subbed to begin with, now if only I could figure out how to keep these vids off of my suggestions page.
Pretty much exactly this. Luke would never try to kill Kylo in his sleep, damn ridiculous.
Except he never tried to kill him...He was just shocked shorty by what he saw in Kylos mind that he activated his light saber. He even said he was ashamed of it imideatly. Same happend when he actually tried to kill vader out of fear for his sister...
@@Darkness1984 You just keep repeating this comment everywhere like a fax machine.
He contemplated it and pulled out his lightsaber while he slept, for multiple seconds. Which is all the time it took him to get to his room.
Vader had a massive kill count, was already hounding him and his sister and many more for years, and was already a fully learned master of the dark force. An older Luke that isn't being directly threatened by such a thing and has had experience with a way, way worse situation still took so damn long to have a better response than contemplating murder.
WORSE, he helped actually raise Ben. He was there and saw him grow. How much contact did Luke have with Vader besides their duels in comparison?
It's imbecilic.
@@MajorLawliet wrong, he looked into bens mind, there he didnt have the saber in hand yet. When he pulled back out he got out the saber by pure instinct, he didnt even mean to.
@@Darkness1984 Ah yes, he was in Ben's mind all the way out of his hut, as he walked in, and as he looked down at the boi, pulled out his lightsaber slowly, and ignited it.
Who knew Luke was so pathetically weak to influences, despite regaining his control in the presence of the biggest dark force user in the galaxy against a dangerous murderer that had hunted him for years, that he did all that "by instinct", and never realized anything until it was conveniently too late.
@@MajorLawliet congratulation, you fell for bens lie Version of what happend.
14:45 Dude, seriously, after realizing Johnson’s thinking process, I was like “how the hell they put this guy in charge of Star Wars???”
He disrupts the arc of a legendary character, for intentionally splitting the audience and in turn making a movie controversial. That is the part I could hardly understand his logic.
It's so stupid that RJ even thinks that would be a good idea to divide your own audience. He could have done that with any film, but no he chose star wars and he splitted what imo is the biggest fandom
@@om3gared66 it's called willful sabotage.
It's like Superman getting attacked by doomsday and then being afraid to ever be Superman again.
Wasn't that basically the plot of Superman Doomsday?
@@judaspete no.
@@judaspete lmao no
@@judaspete Lool no it was not
14:40 they gave a star wars movie to this guy? Who intentionally aims to piss off 50 percent of the viewers and he enjoys that dynamic? What kinda psychopath Director is he?
He is actually objectively one of the best directors in today's cinema. That statement was from when he was young and doing indie films. Using it is incredibly unfair.
@@rares-andreidinu2279 well that is still opinionated since films are good or behind depending on the audience. You cant necessarily say its objective
I let out an audible "FUCK YOU" during that clip
What the hell. That quote literally is what sparks WARS on the internet. This man is literally a psycho for wanting that.
@@rares-andreidinu2279 he literally said it again while shooting the last Jedi.....rian is a decent director. But how can you except his errors in the last Jedi, for one, he made force ghosts interact with the world. If this were true all other movies are filled with plot holes because ghosts would fight every battle.....his arc for Luke made no sense, and when killing him, his mechanical arm just disappeared with him, and rians response when people point that out is essentially “oops”..his quick and easy killing of snoke in the second episode was silly and left the last episode in a weird place.....what he did with Luke made no sense at all.
Rian has said many times he didn’t like Star Wars as a kid. And it’s clear he had no fucking idea what he was doing. It’s full of mistakes he admits to himself. And you defend him because of some other movies? Rian Johnson is the worst thing that ever happened to Star Wars. Unlike most people I kinda like Disney taking over. I liked episode 7. If rian Johnson was never involved. There would never have been such backlash.
4:16 Proof: Old Ben Kenobi (Obi-Wan Kenobi, I just like the name he was introduced as)
Obi-Wan lost his Master, his Lover, and his Best Friend. But stayed in the light, long enough to teach his Best Friend's son to become a Legend in the Galaxy
After telling his best friend he’s lost because of his point of view and watching him burn alive.
Obi wan did exactly what Luke did. Exiled himself when things went bad. Luke actually taught Rey more than Obi Wan taught Luke...or perhaps equal amounts. And Obi Wan gave his life to allow the heroes to escape.... literally exactly what Luke did. It’s amazing how many excuses you all will make up nexuses you didn’t see Luke flip around with a lightsaber.
@@dylantrost4471 obi wan exiled himself to hide from the empire and safe guard luke, not because of what he did. Totally different. Obi wans goal was to train him a little then guide him to yoda
Dylan Trost
Entirely different. Obi-Wan goes into exile specifically to protect Luke and train him when he’s ready and to direct him to Yoda. Obi-Wan didn’t try to murder a padawan while they were sleeping either - *big* distinction.
Obi-Wan also doesn’t abandon his friends because the friends that were still alive literally planned out the exile and separation of who was left, and the Jedi were being actively hunted down by the Empire. Luke has no excuse other than selfish self-pity and suicide.
Luke gives Rey a lesson about philosophy of the Force and his own twisted philosophy about the Jedi - no more. Rey gains no physical or practical Force training from Luke. Obi-Wan gives philosophy, teaches how to see through only the Force in practical situations, and teaches blaster bolt deflection which he can easily practice himself further.
We didn’t need Luke to flip around and be op. We needed Luke. Besides, Obi-Wan and Yoda didn’t flip around in the OT if you remember.
@@lewis7607 dont bother trying to explain it to this Dylan kid. He may have watched bits and pieces of the OT once which is why he clearly has a fundamental misunderstanding of Star Wars.
Me: sees a Star Wars Theory video about liking the sequels
Also me: It's treason, then
«Or like making Batman a scared little child» Hey remember that batgirl show
There was a batgirl show?
Let me fix that for you: Hey remember that *Batwoman* show?
Batgirl is a completely different character.
Or making him a murder who doesn't even kill the Joker or any other big bad guys of his. Or having the Hopeful Superman look depress and uncaring.
Static Gaming yea sorry i always confuse those two
Zeroblade 57 i know i am a Huge dc fan but but i always confuse those two characters
Bringing Anakin’s lightsaber into the sequels was really pointless (in my opinion)
You mean "Reys's lasersword"
they never even explain how Maz got it! At least not explicitly in the movies
Anakin's lightsaber!
It was pointless. It shouldn't have been in the sequel trilogy. Instead, luke should have showed up on starkiller base, fight off Kylo, and told Rey that she needs training. Then the next movie takes place a yr or two later and she is making her own lightsaber. It could have been the one from the rise of Skywalker, and to top it off, the explanation for like vanishing is because he was in search for his daughter who went missing after his wife Mara Jade was killed by snoke. Rey turns out to be that lost daughter explaining her power, and that leads to the final battle of Luke vs snoke and Rey vs kylo
Okay, let me get this straight. Luke in ROTJ sensed there was still good in Vader who has killed millions, but when his young nephew has a bad dream he just tries to kill him!?
@RodianDude But that is what the audience get told by Kylo BEFORE they hear Luke's side, and that is what stays with them. The audience form opinions of characters based on first impressions. If you give the audience that, some of them will say, "I'm out" before they even get to the end. They've already started disliking everything, so the ending won't satisfy them. It's not that hard to understand, but instead you want to argue with someone because they don't like as you do.
@RodianDude he went into his room and activated his saber over his bed, that's close enough to trying to be completely out of character for Luke. It's a disgrace to the character and why the sequels will never be canon to many many Star Wars fans. It's garbage written by a director with an agenda that didn't include writing a good story.
@@cycleplays2395 Except he never tried to kill him...He was just shocked shorty by what he saw in Kylos mind that he activated his light saber. He even said he was ashamed of it imideatly. Same happend when he actually tried to kill vader out of fear for his sister...
Cycle Plays is it really out of character? He sensed that Ben would become Vader 2.0, and he instinctively responds the same way he did when confronting Vader. He has a flashback of the darkness that was within him, he immediately pulls himself out of it, but it’s too late. I think it was a pretty natural reaction for a Skywalker who’s finding out that everything he fought against is about to happen again in his own nephew.
@@claudiusatlas8083 It really is out of character. Luke did that against a "monster" that had already accrued a line of the dead on the 7 or 8 digits, hounded his friends, nearly killed many of them and also himself for years, and still reeled himself in.
Not in a quiet moment, while his "opponent" is sleeping, and has done nothing. But in the middle of combat, in the presence of the emperor. He pulled off better restraint, in the middle of combat, against someone with actual HORRIBLE deeds, while being a young adult. And then you tell me older, more powerful, wiser Luke that already had this as an experience, from a stupid vision that we don't even get to see so we literally can only speculate until we are tired of it, took the time to get close to his sleeping _nephew_, and pull out his lightsaber?
I don't have to rewatch any scene. I have watched the scene, and I have watched the old Luke. This doesn't feel like an honest mistake, or an understandable slip-up, not organically. This feels like a contrived fuck up done to force a story down a lane.
Who creates a film where you wreck a giant character who is as big as Luke. Then, you want to literally SPLIT the fandom of Star Wars in One film.
Not even split, I dont think anyone liked Luke Skywalker
If I was in Mark Hamil's position, and heard them say he didn't own the character, I'd say good luck without me.
Legends Luke will always be the best Luke Skywalker
Fuck yeah
To me "Legends" is canon. I would love to see The Mandalorian following the Expanded universe
Legends will always be canob, but I would like to see a show that does to the sequels, what the clone wars did for the prequel trilogy
Tbf I still view Star Wars as canon. However, I don’t view the sequels as canon in the slightest and I still think that they should rewrite it completely. Not even 30 years later fuck why does it have to be that long ? Why not even 5 years With a prime Luke fighting Abeloth or something ? (My personal dream of a movie) I do hope Mando follows a new backstory that follows the story of the OG and prequels because I loved the prequels
@@Jermrants jw, did u enjoy the fate of the jedi series??
Been following you for atleast 5 years at this point and somehow only just came across this video.
You summed up exactly how I feel about it all. Much love my man