‘We’re really struggling’: Eastern Oregon rancher’s dog killed by state-protected wolves
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- Oregon’s gray wolves prey on cattle sporadically, and a state-managed fund repays ranchers. But the wolves don’t discriminate between livestock and pets, as one Union County rancher discovered earlier this year. It has impacted his peace of mind, and contributed to his sense that state ignores eastern Oregon.
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Colman seems like a sharp fella
I hope he has a good year, without much loss. Sorry about the dog my friend
I think Portland parks could use more bears.
Eventually they'll be dealing with these wolves in their backyards. We'll hear stories of smart compassionate people trying to pet them because they think they're just dogs.
This guy's great great great grandpa knew there were wolves in the wild when he moved out there...
@@LeifWarner And he killed them. You need to adopt some wolves.
Specifically, cocaine bears and lots of them.
And mountain lions
wolves were once common across mostly all of Oregon, I think next step should be re introducing them to places like Forest Park in Portland that was once their habitat and we need to restore that habitat to its natural state.
Can we release them in Salem too?
@@Clark42EoC sure! why not?
@@Supernova778 Ahooooo Werewolves of Salem! Plus side...might cut down on crime...
@@Clark42EoC laughed out loud :-)
You almost had a good idea before resorting to extremism. There are plenty of sparsely populated areas in western Oregon that wolves can probably be moved to.
I can’t imagine what this guy is worried about, food comes from grocery stores right Portland?
Yes, the grocery stores that can’t flee from Poopland fast enough.
Just like cattle ranchers believe all the females have pups and not just the alpha female.
He is correct to be worried. Wolves are dangerous. He can be reimbursed financially for the damage caused by wolves. That money comes from the tax payers. The VAST MAJORITY of taxes and revenue generated in Oregon comes from Portland and the rest of Eastern Oregon. Nobody says he has to sell his beef to Portland. He could just sell to his neighbors. See how quickly he goes broke. Isn't that right genius???
According to the rancher food comes from 'momma cows'. And he should know, he has two college degrees.
@@rockstarofredondo that's truth. Portland folks don't even want to pay for food. They just can't understand why businesses are leaving. It's going to end up like south central LA with the same result. Help us we have been wronged by the world and those horrible police are picking on us! Racism,Racism, it's because we are black and LGBTQI 123 ABC BLAH BLAH BLAH.
It is sad to hear that farmers story...
Why is it so sad? Sure he lost a dog, it happens. Should we outlaw all cars, they kill more dogs. This whole series seams to be a lot of wining about nothing. If you don't like the state and it's politics move elsewhere, I did. Not sorry Oregon want let you kill all the other wildlife that interfere with your livelihood. That's the reason I move here.
This rancher is the most articulate levelheaded example I've ever seen.
I've lived in a small town outside Seattle for 68 years now. The changes that have taken place over the past years are shocking. We typically have a shooting death on Pacific Hwy once a week. Next fall we will be selling our home and moving to Eastern Washington. My wife and I don't care to live in a cess pool any more.
Hey man I’m a real estate investor, I’d do open to buying that place when you’re ready to sell it. Do you want my info?
What's the town?
Have noticed drastic changes in just the last 5 years living in Seattle! Visited in 2008 and so much has changed, sadly much for the worse when it comes to politics, rights and conservative to classical liberal values.
@@save2a4all It's too easy to just blame politics. The Democrats certainly aren't fixing anything. One would think it would be easy for a Republican to take over. The reality is Republicans don't want anything to do with trying to fix cities. There may be individual Republicans who want to try; but they won't get any support or money from the Republican party.
Just don't vote for what you are running from
Washington has been talking east west split as well
It’s not just about the wolves. That’s just one issue. It’s about the differences between the Portland metro area and the rest of the state. Our elected officials may make great Portland mayors but they are not recognizing the issue that are important to all of Oregon.
As for the wolves I’m an avid outdoorsman and native Eastern Oregonian I’m not sure how I feel about the wolves. I was seen them, more then once and it’s awesome hearing them while camping out in the wilderness. However they do need managed and management decisions should not be made by folk that will never have any knowledge or interaction with them.
You can always just go back to Europe where you belong 🤙
There are other options than separating Oregon. Give the entire state proper representation. Do not allow western oregon to decide for eastern Oregon. This is a question of representative democracy & an illustration of what starts to go wrong when the people are not being served by those who would call themselves public servants 😔
Canadian wolves have no place in the Pacific Northwest.... Period!.... treat em' just like a coyote. Shoot em' when you see em'....
The wolf has a right to live: The Federal Endangered Species Act.
*than
Portland has enough 2 legged predators. They need more 4 legged ones.
That have a healthy appetite for the 2 legged ones..
Release the 4-legged predators in Portland, Salem & Eugene so the woke idiots in those places can get a taste of all the "biological diversity" they are preaching. Watch how quickly their tune changes when their Yorkies, poodles, and other pets start becoming appetizers.
Thay need to move a pack to Portland city park and a pack to Salem to complete the ecosystems there. Then that side of the state would have a valid right to have a say.
Sounds like us here in Illinois, Chicago makes all the rules for us who live 6 hours away.
Same in NY. Upstate is politically irrelevant since the only votes on state laws are dictated by the 5 burroughs of NYC. They outnumber the entire rest of the state so politicians don't even pretend like they care about us.
You're another dummy. You should thank Chicago and the Suburbs for carrying you. Don't you think Chicago area residents would like to keep the revenue generated by the giant economy that exists there? They pay a lot higher taxes than you do. They deal with the crime. They deal with the traffic. They deal with it because the jobs are there. Southern Illinois is losing population even faster than the rest of Illinois. It would be better for everyone if that wasn't true; but it's a reality.
I have noticed that Chicago is sending out people to run in small towns in every state…anyone else notice these random candidates from Chicago?
Just like a lot of states. Country folks with common sense are the minority for years now.
@@sherburck mormons?
Chicago did get walmarts closed on em...
Same as Portland n Bend.
Sad for dog. Most ranchers I know usually lose their dogs to accidents. Or had dogs killed by coyote poison/ traps.
It's always tragic. Seems like a solid farmer though who wants a balance of wolves, and acknowledges his dog was just a dog. Farmers see life and death every day, they are more accustomed to it than city folk!
I've known more dogs killed by coyotes, than by the coyote poison. I did almost lose my first dog to a trap. She had a bad habit of running away to the neighbors' places every time she smelled them cooking. But the coyotes consider domestic dogs to be trespassers, and they lure them out away from home and kill them. Wolves are just coyotes times 5.
@@save2a4all the most common opinion of those that aren’t dog people. He didn’t say his dog was just a dog. What the hell is that suppose to mean? Like you or any other human is a god of some sort. We breath air,piss and shit the same as a dog or any other animal. A dog is one of if not the most loyal animal on the planet not to mention how versatile and useful they are. A good dog will be more loyal to you than your wife, kids or family. I damn sure wouldn’t need or ask permission to eliminate wolves.
@@apbt067 he wasn't calling for an extinction of the wolves again just because they killed his dog. Live in the wild, accept the wild... Not remove the wild. Same for bears, coyotes, bobcats, etc. Was not trying to say dogs are not amazing and loyal, but some would be so sensitive to that loss (or a child!) and emotionally call to kill all the wolves and not accept that they live in the wild.
@@FirstLast-gv1zl You are correct. Wolves are likely to leave the ones that are unable to run. When a pack of wolves kills 14 elk in a pile, you can't tell me that they were only going for the sick and injured.
The other thing is territorial disputes. If you have dogs, and the wolves decide to annex your location, your dogs now become "trespassers" who are dealt with according to the law of the jungle.
I'm pretty torn on this. I love conserving wild animal species, and hate how many species have gone extinct due to humans, but its obviously a problem having wolves so close to the ever expanding human population.
The problem is not the wolves, but the ever expanding human population. Humans breed even more than rabbits do.
He needs to get two or three donkeys. I’ve seen other sites where farmers have gotten them and it has worked well. Donkeys can be mean and they’ll give those wolves a thrashing.
The wolf packs would kill donkeys same as they take down wolves.
Hunting near Ashland Oregon a few years back, nine people sitting around a campfire caught a wolf trying to sneak up on my three year old niece who was walking around. When we shined the light on it, the wolf was only ten feet away.
Why would you be letting a 3 year old be walking around in the dark in the woods by herself were predators live?
Doesn't sound smart!
@@goddessofthewilderness Lol, you missed the point. She was three feet away from a large fire with six adults and the wolf still tried to put a stock on her. They are too bold knowing they can't be killed.
@@bennyflournoy4575 She was three feet from her mother and six adults, one adult armed with a handgun, another with an AR 15 next to him. Point is the wolves are too bold.
nice story, was there a UFO dropping off bigfoot near by as well? lol
Mabe someone can link him up with some of those big gaurdian dogs that are bred specifically to fend off wolves. Kengals I think they are called. They are bred for cold weather and grow upwards of 120 pounds
Kangles are tough and their are other good breeds to protect stock. 750 lb bite a G shepard is 250. They go after wolves bears cheetas lions.
Get a Great Pyrenees
@@markwilson4110 that works
donkeys
I doubt such a dog or even a pack of them could take on an entire wolf pack, let along be able to take on that particular size of wolf (possibly).
I've heard some say that when wolves cause you problems, use the three "S's." Shoot, shovel, and shut up.
Exactly. Instead of crying about it on Facebook
@@gkling33 oh I’m sure he’s used the three sss solution.
Until one was chipped and they track it to your location.
@@Box545x39 that’s why Arizonans don’t use that method, they pow them in the gut with a 22 so they can run off and expire elsewhere, hence no hands on work
That's cuz they're ignorant right-wingers they don't care about nature, but ironically raise animals I don't understand it myself these people are insane
There is a reason why wolves were almost extinct by the 1900s in America.
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because americans are idiots?
Also the native Americans.
But the problem wasn't the wolves nor the natives, it was the invasive species from england.
Urban dwellers are not only surrounded by coyotes but share their neighborhoods with them. Most people just don’t know it.
I I've in a town in metro Detroit, we have a large pop. of coyote ,most don't give them a second thought till their dog or cat disappear, there are always losts of missing pets posted on the local bulletin boards.
worng many people biten now many put blue windo clearer in there dog pop bag they throw in brush it kills them when you have dog killed on leash and see it you will kill evey coyote you see for life dark chocolate kills them to sad some county now rehearing trappers full time one told me they are teaking provo virus to kill them in will get 90 per remenber a feed coyote is a dead coyote
True, I live in Forest Grove, OR, and we have coyote packs that run through my yard along with deer, cats, dogs, chipmunks, birds, rats, squirrels and mice. There are also bears and elk that are seen in the area occasionally.
Big difference between coyotes and wolves.
I eliminate all the damn coyotes I see.
Nice work on your story. You have an excellent platform to make for good change and good reform. Thank you for for your reporting.
I live in Washington state and for years opposed releasing grizzly bears in the state. It is a long standing conflict between urban dwellers who support grizzly bear release and Eastern Washington residents who live where the grizzly bears would be active. Then I completely reversed my opinion. I am now totally in favor of grizzly bear releases with one caveat; each community, statewide, votes for or against grizzly bear release with the understanding that the bears will be released in the communities that voted for them. Obviously, the idea is impractical and won't happen but it does point to the crux of the problem. Why should someone living in Seattle get to tell someone living and ranching in Tonasket that they have to put up with grizzly bear predations and, even worse, the potential threats to their family's safety? For the urbanite in their nice safe SUV on a road trip through Eastern Washington, it is a big thrill to see a grizzly bear meandering toward the cattle that represents the livelihood of those who live there. We have to either get better at fair governance in America or face the consequences of the slow burn continuing to develop between city and rural citizens.
You're another rural idiot who just wants to bitch about urban and suburban areas. Your dumb "caveat" is stupid because there hasn't been a "vote" in any community on grizzly bear release. You're another rural idiot who just wants to bitch about urban and suburban areas. Meanwhile your candy ass wants to drive your nice safe SUV on a nice paved road and enjoy all the tax payer provided infrastructure in your area that is totally subsidized by the taxpayers in the Seattle metro area. Like it or not little fella, the economy and taxes generated in urban Washington subsidize the rest of the State. Maybe they can ship some of the homeless to you so you can deal with them. You should be happy you can live in a nice quiet part of Washington. Why should some urbanite have to deal with factories, pollution, crime, traffic, higher taxes just so the State of Washington can take a piece to provide for infrastructure for you. You let us all know when bears deaths reach the levels of deaths in urban areas caused by crime, accidents, etc. People in Seattle deal with that everyday as best they can. They have to because that's where the jobs are. Quit your bitchin. Your slow burn is nothing compared to the burn folks in Seattle experience every day.
They were here first. Where should grizzly bears live? Because there are humans everywhere so unless they are near people there is no place for them to go. But I'm guessing you think their lives don't matter.
@@jakee4153 The question I'm trying to address is not where grizzly bears and wolves fit into our complex world, but how we, as a society, try to solve these difficult and polarizing problems. For the majority of voters to force their will on everyone else without regarding the consequences suffered by the minorities is not a real solution, at all. I'm 74 years old and remember the civil rights struggles of the 1950s and 1960s as our country struggled and fought to not let the majority rule and bully minorities. Sadly, I'm seeing our country divided as never before in my lifetime, and I don't hear many voices of reason and respect trying to hold to that high principle. I see a new majority reverting to old, ineffective and dangerous abuses of power that will not lead to prosperity and peace.
Grizzly bears are really scary. How anyone can support them wondering around places other than national parks is beyond me.
@barbara karnowski People are killed by other people more than they're killed by grizzly bears or any other type of wild animal, for that matter. Humans are far more dangerous than grizzly bears, and a grizzly bear isn't capable of committing the heinous acts(like torture) humans are capable of. Bears can't be evil like humans can, and it's extremely foolish to be more afraid of bears than dangerous people. A person's chances of being killed by another human being are much higher than their chances of being killed by a bear. Also, most bears don't even attack people when encountered by them, just so you know. I suggest you read up on statistics about grizzly bears before condemning them to live in only a few small fragmented national parks. Did you know that grizzly bears used to live all over the Western United States before Europeans made them regionally extinct throughout most of the West? For the most part Native Americans coexisted peacefully with grizzly bears for thousands of years, and they weren't routinely slaughtered by the bears either. Actually, it was the exact opposite because Native Americans hunted them far more than they themselves were hunted by the bears. An interesting fact is that the flag of California actually has a grizzly bear on it, but the last grizzly bear in the entire state was shot and killed in the early 1900s. I can't imagine how you can be so selfish as to think wild animals should be forced to live in just a few small areas because they're "scary." If you're ever in an area where they live, you should still be far more afraid of your own species than you should be of grizzly bears or any other type of wild animal.
When we let people who are not effected make the decisions for people qho pay the price , the world is upside down.
Really? Did you mine the lithium for your cell phone yourself? You probably refine your own gasoline too.
@@bonzocleach2496That is a moronic statement that has absolutely nothing to do with the comment you replied to. Idiot!
Dude much respect,hard not to .
I live in Northern Minnesota and we have always had wolves around. I'm calling BS to this fear filled story on wolves. In my experience you see signs of wolves (scat, deer kill, etc.), but rarely ever have an encounter with one. They avoid contact with people and places frequented by people.
I’m calling BS on you. You don’t have ranches in MN. Like we do here in the sweat. All you have strep trees, lakes, and swamps.
Unless there is too many
@@michaelhennegan9637 We have a lot of livestock in Minnesota.
@@michaelhennegan9637 you clearly have never been to Minnessota, there is very much livestock in Minnessota, most the welfare ranchers living west of the Mississippi are living on stolen homesteaded land that they never paid for
They’ve almost wiped out the elk herds in a few states. Know nothing know it all’s
Sir, Im sorry for your loss of your companion.
We need a fund that compensates ranchers for lost animals including pets. So sorry for his loss.
Do i get compensation for losing my dog from the government?
Did you not listen to the video? It clearly mentions not only said fund but how much it has paid out since it was established. Maybe listen before commenting?
Yeah they told us that the coyotes here in Michigan would control the white tail deer. Now we have an overpopulation of both. We lost over sixty lambs one summer and after that decided to get Great Pyrenees Guard dogs. Everytime a rancher or farmer loses livestock to a predator they get a pay cut, but it doesn't cost city people anything and that why there is a disconnect.
Just another attack on meat, which is our natural ancestral diet.
That is what great Pyrénées are for. You need a few. Kangols or gamprs are great as well. Again, need a few as one or two can't do the job. Having lived in South Africa, if you have a few good guard dogs and good fencing, you don't have a problem with predators. A lot of these farmers seem to be playing the martyr role and relying on the support of others... they sure aren't conservationists. Far from it.
@@thierrynolevaux9268 well out in Oregon is what is considered range land. In Michigan the coyotes were not previously here. So I consider them an invasive species brought in by so called conservationists who also spread other plants that are choking out the meadow lands.
@@danw6014 Everyone knows ranchers and farmers are the worst conservationists.
@@thierrynolevaux9268 yes because we like to pollute our own land for pennies on the dollar to feed you.
I thought a wolf permit came with a spade!
Are they not cheap permits?
Just curious!
just my Opinion,
Why not use a wolf chaser? Like they do in Montana and Wyoming and Colorado for nuisance predators?
Why not consult the native americans who have lived with the wolf for eons.?
Why not canadians how they manage wolves or even Alaskans?
Any rancher losing money to a wolf kill should be compensated. Concentrated kills use a chaser.
You currenly live with Bears Wolverines Cougars etc. Wolves like grizzly need to active persuasives to understand.
This is not a topic that should divide anyone. With changing climate, we all need to work togethter to keep Oregon Incredible.
Yes, let's ask native Americans how, for eons, they prevented wolves from attaching their cattle herds. Likewise, we need to find the secret of how those large Alaskan cattle ranches keep wolves at bay.
Native americans did not have cattle though, and they lived differently, closer and with nature as people these days and i´m sure they also had a love-hate relationship with wolves.
@@nerotrd Yes, my point. The original poster believes native Americans kept cattle and that there are large cattle ranches in Alaska. Neither are true. Thanks for so astutely picking up on that.
@@cwcobo
@1971jwing said Oregon ranchers could consult with Canadians, Alaskans, and Native Americans on how they deal with, or prevent, wolf attacks on their lands. Jwing didn't ask how native americans managed cattle.
Since some Native American tribes view the wolf as sacared, perhaps they have humane ways of dealing with wolves when wolf territory crosses into reservation land. Why ridicule Jwing for proposing the question?
@@cwcobo Oh maybe frame it this way. Predators predate things. Not just cattle right? Alaskans do have cows infact. My suggestion is quit focusing on trigger words and focus on the solutions. While we are on cattle how about all the nitrogen in the ground water? Natives put that too,? The point is that wolves must exist right next to the cows. Use a chaser. Drones etc.
What about the state of Jefferson
I live in N Wisconsin and been living with wolves for 30 years and never had a problem at all.
We should provide tents and free dog food to the wolves so they stop attacking the cows. These wolves are just down on their luck. -- Portland
Do you open range your cattle?
@@terrykoch1250 my neighbor across the road has beef cattle, he hasn't any problems with the wolves.
And there's some big timbe wolves that pass through my property.
It's lazy farming and new land owners w lots of the issues likely.
Very fine reporting! Do more of it! Have a reporter on the east side permanently
Need a lot more upvotes to this comment
Was surrounded by wolves x-c skiing in Averill Vermont 30 years ago. The wolves, form a triangle around you, you have no chance if they decide to move. I didnt threaten them at all.....i backed away, or i wouldnt be here. You get the idea right away that wolves are fearless, smart and prefer food like deer and rabbits.
Nothing in the wild has a chance against a determined wolf pack.
Vermont?
Coyotes?
surrounded...but was able to back away?
@@slatsgrobneck7515 And there are no wolves in Vermont nor in any location in New England, nor in Southern Québec since centuries
So what this guy saw was probably coyotes, and coyotes rarely live in group so the whole story is a bit weird. It could be some wild dogs?
@@PG-3462 coyotes will join up to hunt at times. Then they can take bigger prey like deer
There was a case of a pack of them killing a woman walking on a trail near a park, not deep woods backpacking.
Great reporting
sorry to hear about the loss of the dog. Here in Eugene, we have raccoons that’ll tear up a dog real bad. I keep mine in at night. Also, deer will kick he crap out of a dog and coyotes are eating cats. We don’t have any cows here, tho.
A mountain lion was found terribly chewed and lacerated with one broken leg. In the deep snow, footprints of a wolverine, mixed with those of the lion, told the story.
@@charlessavoie2367 Wolverines fear nothing.
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Wow. Glad I live in a city. We just have to worry about human predators!
@@Rochelle937 What a bunch of crybabies, right?
Been living in Minnesota my whole life among 3000 wolves. Hiking, camping & canoeing for forty years and just saw my first wolf on the trail this past year. He saw me and hightailed it into the thick woods more afraid of me than me of him. Most Minnesotans never see one in their lifetime. I have heard them calling at night occasionally though.
Scatter a dozen helpless newborn calves around in your back field and see if any show up. We don't have wolves, but we have many packs of coyotes. Around here we shoot them if we can.
@@gentlegiants1974 are you from Georgia???? Coyotes are awful here.
@@kbo730 Eastern Ontario Canada
That’s cause he was alone, if his pack was with him it probably would have been different.
@@gentlegiants1974 I live in Arizona lots of Cattle and Coyotes running around! Coyotes don't total your car if you hit one cows do! Then you got to pay for the cow on top if you survive! Other than understanding we need beef I'll take Coyotes over Cows and loose dogs any day of the week!
Number one animal killer of people in Arizona dogs!
In no way does our small family farm in Nampa ID come close to this experience. But losing any livestock to wild animals hits harder for people that see the aftermath IN PERSON. I hope Ontario to Pendleton join us sooner than later!
I hope you can have guard dogs and other defenses, while letting wildlife wolves live nearby with farms animals.
No, they need to MOVE to Idaho! Oregon is Oregon!
@@phillip5545 the problem is Portland (Potland?) things THEY are Oregon
"Ontario to Pendleton"
And there you have it? LDS #DEZNAT agenda.
So sorry to hear that. My best outside guard dog (who has killed at least 6 coyotes over the past year after he just "showed up" at my house) was attacked and disemboweled a week ago by a pack of coyotes. In the middle of the day. Rest in peace, Spot. Read the stupid comments by idiots below who don't understand anything.
Sounds like u let ur dog down. U have one dog in an area with known coyotes and u leave him outside alone. Ur to blame for his death. Ur dumb.
That's awful. I'm sorry for your loss.
Need more numbers and weight to offset the pack. Sorry for your dog though.
@Kaggen I'm actively recruiting at least 4 big street dogs to sleep outside my gate and guard my property. There are burglars, kidnappers and coyotes here. Very dangerous.
@@MexicoAdventurer In that case, you need a few rhodesian ridgebacks.
I am so sorry you lost your beloved dog.. a right hand helper .. Have you considered Great Pyrenees. livestock guardian dogs? Sure hope things get better for you!
Exactly what I said kangals Anatolians Caucasian shepherds central Asian shepherds all excellent with large predator loads
Pa lease. Dogs are property and are meant for work. It is a financial hit but holy moly we need to stop anthropomorphize animals. Wolves are a natural predator which is a integral part of the system.
Just my opinion but they don’t want to use that option because it’s simply easier to kill the problem then pay for feeding 10-15 Pyrenees or similar breeds to protect their animals. In all honesty I’m a fan of using lgds but some of those areas are vast and 15 might not be enough to protect their animals.
@Brent johnson
I has upwards of 1000 goats go through my heart and hands. Couldn't have done so without my good dogs.
He can feed a lot of dogs from the proceeds from the market animals they save.
I understand that. They don’t care in my opinion. Profits are more important in my opinion.
What's funny is here in Colorado the parks and wildlife said in their study that they expect someday the wolves will move into urban areas!
They do in Europe.
Urban areas.... that were once thriving with wolves until humans killed almost all of them
@@motivationalstunna dinosaurs are extinct too but nobody complains. You people are psychotic
They were planted in Idaho......these are Canadian gray wolves not the much smaller NW timber wolf subspecies.They are causing havock
Causing havoc? To who? The species that killed almost all the wolves and stole their territory? Lol what a joke. Humans are the ones causing havoc
Canadian bears, cougars , and wolves don't seem to recognize the US border. Is it like Vegas?? they go NUTS in the USA? Or is it incompetent MANAGMENT and decades of US stupidity?? We have radio collared black bears that cover from where I am north of Cranbrook into Idaho andthey are ONLY a problem when they go to the CASINO?? in Spokane?? tHUG BEARS.
Actually, they're the exact same subspecies. Canis lupus occidentalis, also known as the northwestern wolf, is one of four grey wolf subspecies native to North America. Canis lupus arctos (the arctic wolf) is found in the far north of Canada, Canis lupus baileyi (the mexican wolf) is found in the southwest and southern Midwest of the US and most of Mexico, Canis lupus nubilus (great plains wolf) is found in the Midwest US and some of northeast Canada, and Canis lupus occidentalis is found along the western third of North America. This is the most recent classification according to genetic evidence. You may be thinking of the outdated classification of North American grey wolves, where there were 20+ subspecies. Genetic evidence has now shown that these subspecies did not differ enough to be considered separate subspecies, and they were combined into the four subspecies I mentioned above. In the southeast there's the red wolf (Canis rufus rufus), a separate species more related to coyotes than grey wolves, and in the northeast there's the Algonquin wolf (Canis lycaon or Canis rufus lycaon), which is either a subspecies of red wolf or a separate species closely related to the red wolf. Hope this helps!
Years ago I ran into a gal that owned a ranch in a very isolated area of B.C.Canada where these timber wolves live and she said that we must be crazy to introduce them here in the States as they are alpha predators and at her ranch they employ humans guards to keep them at bay. Ranch hands who stay up at night with firearms to keep them away from the livestock.
Man. Has. Right to.
Protect... His. Family .& animals.... Heck..with ...STATE...PROTECTION...
I think they would have to keep a close eye on there wolves. I own a rifle and a shovel and can keep a secret
I'm sure you have a rifle and a shovel; as for the rest...well...I ain't buying it for minute.
@@bonzocleach2496 your right. I would hang his hide to the barn wall
The problem with too many wolves is not an Oregon issue alone. In Michigans Upper peninsula the wolf numbers have increased dramatically in recent years. I spoke with a conservation officer recently that told me the whitetail deer numbers in the eastern UP are down to 1 deer per 8 square miles! Predation on livestock and family pets has also become a huge issue. I see a lot of the same problems here in Michigan as in Oregon where people from the big cities that control the elections dont really understand the or care about rural population concerns and way of life.
You could send see wolves down to Indiana maybe...our deer population has been booming for way too long and is too big now. So much so that they eat our corn in broad daylight! This happened because of our DNR being in the red for so long and CONSTANTLY raising the price on deer hunting tags. And there is no other predator of deer in Indiana except man and coyotes, and coyotes don't usually take down a full grown deer, just a baby here and there or an injured one. Coyotes prefer our cats.
Most places in the U.P. have a severe overpopulation of deer. Not only that, but people feeding deer during the winter make a wolf buffet. Hunters get mad because they think they should be the only ones killing deer.
@@ellenmcdaniel1550 We would like to relocate them to Lansing so the politicians have a first hand account of their appetite.
Wait a few years, they will start preying on humans next.
Its not only the USA, its the oldest culture and grazing lands in Europe / Germany as well, as I have written in a new comment here... The Leftists / Atheists are all "godless, judged bastards", which destroy everything they get hold off....
Isn't there a wild hog problem in the south? I think you should relocate some wolves. What a great nature show that would be.
We have a very serious problem with feral hogs in Texas. There are no wolves or foxes here. I would like to ask ranchers if they would put up with wolves if wolves would reduce the number of hogs.
@@samuelsullivan9546 We have foxes: mostly the native grey, but also some invasive reds. Ranchers are likely to take a potshot at you just for asking such a stupid question. Farmers might give it some thought.
Feral hogs would tear up wolves just as badly as they do my neighbors corn. Maybe Wolves can pick off more suckers and shoats than the coyotes, cougars, and bobcats manage - slowing down the population growth a wee bit - but I don't see a big impact happening. What Wolves would do is remove the coyotes... And coyotes are a *much* more manageable predator than Wolves are.
Anyway, the wolves coming down from the north are not well adapted to the South. The wolves that lived in the south before extirpation had smaller bodies, long legs, smaller pack sizes... Much more like coyotes.
@@that.schamp what you do is you getcha a good wild hog dog and breed it to another good wild hog dog. And you turn em loose to chase them hogs into a shed w one little window high up.
'Course not all them wild hog dogs are gonna make it out alive? But them that does? Are good wild hog dogs."
Prolly paraphrased- vicki Hearne.. ;(
I think it would only be fair to release a large population of wolves here in Multnomah Co and every other county in the willamette valley.
How are these animals supposed to naturally select and learn good manners with people if we can’t cull the bold ones that are a problem?
Did you not listen to the video? We can, and the laws allow for it with wolves that show patterns of problem behavior.
It's all about balance with nature I have too many deer in my area and it's dangerous to drive after dark. We've reintroduced coyotes, have mountain lions, and have people that still hunt but the deer don't live in the woods anymore they live in our neighborhoods where the predators aren't hunting them....yet. the idea of a mountain lion outside my house is scary
Reintroduced Coyotes? I've never heard of that. What state do you live in?
The deer moved into the neighborhoods to seek refuge from predators. If there wasn't a predator problem , the deer would be back out in the countryside.
LoL
My idead of scary, is illegel aliens
@@tommycash9 in far southwestern Virginia they brought them back in the 90s now I'm not certain but the mountain lions I'm pretty sure returned naturally.
We have bears, wolves, and lions in the U.P. of Michigan. A lot more wolves and bears in a smaller area. That dog shouldn't of been left out like that. He has cows not buffalo. The cattle should have protection like a barn. Most states have such laws. When you free range cows the rancher should protect his heard. To me it sounds like rancher there needs to step up. Get up at 4 am and protect your cattle. At least that's when I hear them make a kill while at camp.
Well Eli the wolverine. Have you ever seen a wolverine or a wolf? Have you ever moved a 1000 cows into a barn to protect them every night. Ranch dogs are left "out" to somewhat protect the ranch at night. Wolves hunt 365 -24-7. How many nights are you going to stay awake and protect your herd. Get a clue city kid. Let the ranchers protect themselves. I wouldn't ask for permission
@@robpederson281 Well Rob Pederson, don't you think a business model that requires the killing of rare mammals in 2023 is a bit out of touch? Sounds to me like a flaw in the location you choose to raise cattle. Also it's beef, something we could all do with a little less of.
175 wolves over how many acres? Really?
No one needs a permit to protect their property.
I live in Idaho and the deer and elk are not doing so well. Wolves are devastating our big game herds. We at least have a hunting season for them.
elk probably got dumb after 80 years without wolves
I keep finding dead wolves on my ranch. No one knows how they are being killed..
Great!!
I bet your hogs hate eating the carcasses.
It's probably some entitled liberal killing them because they think they're more important even though they cause more destruction than wolves. I know.... dumb right?
Man's gotta do what a man's gotta do. Just like living in the hood in Chicago.
That dog looks eerily similar to my outside guard dog that coyotes killed last week.
I wonder if re-introducing wolves to Portland would help to thin out the homeless herd.
It's worth a try. And then maybe the leftist herd.
Eastern Oregon.... don't resign to staying part of Oregon. Join Idaho, make it happen. Pulling for you all!
Is Idee Ho killing all predators except for Man?
But are wolves regulating the deer and elk or are they regulating rancher's cattle because they are easier prey?
There are farms that receive 26 inches of rain a year; and there are ranches which recieve only 11 inches of precipitation a year. The later is much more difficult to make a living off of.
Thanks for that highly relevant little tidbit that is completely germane to the topic at hand...
need a hunt season just like mountain cats and bears.
In areas where there have been more than X number of livestock or pet attacks, not everywhere.
No, those are all terrible things to do.
hope that the ranchers are being heard. i am sure that they are pragmatic about the need for the preservation of wolves. they cannot be expected to manage the situation on their own.
As the video mentions, the laws do allow for problem wolves who have a pattern of attacking livestock to be killed and there is a fund to compensate ranchers for animals killed by wolves.
I bet if a pack of those wolves caught a ride into Portland they would be singing a different tune
WOLF ATTACK 2 MILES FROM US HERE IN SOUTHERN ,OREGON.
NEWS CALLED IT ALLEGED... THE MAN ATTACKED is Healing .. chomped on his head and body. Miracle he's alive. They literally tried to say cougar or dog ☹️.. can you imagine how the victim feels. We stayed in the house for 3 days.
Until someone from the westside loses a family member to wolves nothing will change. Same goes for cougars and bears.
do you propose killing off all endemic predators?
@ henri matisse,
These people don't goddamn think.
I'm thinking nobody remembers why it is we got rid of them the first time. Alaska did the same bs and the Hurd animals have suffered numbers down 50% If u ever get to see a wolf take down an animal, it's a site to remember, one dog on nose one on tail and others ripping stomach open and intestines wrapped around brush, it ain't real warm and fuzzy.
YHVH Bless You and Your Family
So informative and thank you for sharing!!! Sorry to hear about his dog and struggles.
If they got money to take care of dozens of cows surely they can afford some big farm dogs to watch over their livestock
It is not going to happen to integrate Oregon with Idaho. But, it is conceivable to imagine a new state of eastern Oregon sperating from the western side of the state. Same with the eastern side of Washington.
I don’t think any of the above will happen but it’s good that people are talking about it because at least it’s becoming mainstream to admit that these states are being ruined and we cannot continue with the kind of people currently in charge.
Many rural people would like to stop being oppressed by city nonsense.
@@ratherbwithhorses Many rural people have no idea or appreciation that the bulk of their infrastructure and services are heavily subsidized by city taxpayers. Your dumb ass appears to be one of those people. I'm sure your local law enforcement and public school educators would be thrilled to work for $12.00 an hour an no health insurance from your local tax base.
LDS #DEZNAT will do whatever it takes to grab lands n waters, including murder.
They're hearing voices of god... that the rest of us don't.
On top of this struggle, your guns have been extremely restricted as well
Sorry about ur loss of ur dog sir. I could only wish Western Oregon would actually listen 2 Eastern Oregon?
Seriously, Leave your dog inside at night…
Which part of 'guard dog' did you miss?
One lone dog is not a guard dog against wolves, clearly. If he actually loved his dog it would’ve been inside at night.
Yeah,border collies aren’t livestock guarding dogs.
This farmer needs actual farm guard dogs like the Maremma. There are a number of breeds that could defend the cattle from wolves.
It would be worth checking into.
I thought about this too. Then realized he would need to keep 10-20 dogs to fight a whole pack of wolves. Not very realistic.
He let his dog dye for attention everyone knows he only cares about his cows and money well the wolves were there first so to many wolves how about to many cows and farmers duh
Does he sell those cows or cattle for meat? If do he's as much a KILLER as the wolves, more so actually. Very sorry he lost his dog but why the h*** did he leave his dog out alone?
@@aquariusmoon771 exactly when he knows what wolves do! Im not buying his sob story for one second he knew this would happen and is trying to get people to vote out of sympathy when the wolves are just doing what comes naturally.he could very easily keep his dogs and cows safe and one cow would feed a wolf pack for months and you know he probably looses more then one cow a month of natural causes.he's just a millionaire farmer politician looking for a scape goat!
@@ChauncyFatsack And the first winner of today's Darwin Award goes to
Greater Idaho would not have that problem.
This poor guy. He seems to have a reasonable and compassionate attitude about the whole thing. This is definitely not a situation that Oregon - any part of Oregon - agreed to get itself into. Ranchers having challenges on their own land with their own animals is not acceptable.
It does make me even more sure that once I move somewhere more remote, in Oregon or otherwise, that I'll get proper flock guardian dogs, rather than the smart little herders. Kangals and Caucasian Sheepdogs. My relatives in the Caucasus/Armenian highlands don't have an issue with predation. They have multiple dogs that are trained not to be lured and communicate together, and most are at least as large as the largest northwest gray wolf, some larger. They may not be as clever, but they are physically pound-for-pound tougher. Wild cats, wolves, and bears are not an issue (they raise sheep, mostly).
As a farmer i can say.. You must learn to live with it. The wolves have just as much if not more of a right to be here. Its our job as farmers to better secure and protect our livestock not to pushback on mother nature and kill her children.
and you tell us you are a farmer???????????????????????????????????,,,,big joke, sitty slicker fuck of with your bloody wolf idiot
One smart farmer.
@@mikecarlton9000 kil them al fucking wolves
How is 175 wolves not endangered ?
Exactly my thoughts!
These are Canadian Wolves introduced into Idaho when I lived there 2002-2010. Problem was the native Lobo Wolf was far from extinct or endangered. These Canadian Wolves don't belong here at all!
Border Collies are not guard dogs. Coleman clearly didn't consider Dodge a family dog if he wasn't bringing him inside at night.
I’m up in Canada and they leave livestock alone never a problem.
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If they run in front of your bullet while target shooting it not your fault
I say the same thing about idiots who make comments like this. Screw those type of people. I love being American but hate dealing with the idiots that come with it
Legally speaking it kind of is. If you don't have a proper license to hunt wolves... that would be poaching, and that can land you in jail. If you want to hunt wolves, make sure you do so legally.
I live and hunt in Eastern Oregon. I have seen wolves twice without incident. I am always armed when I go there. Small capacity magazines my ass! It just goes to show how out of touch the Capital is with Eastern Oregon.
this idea that you exterminate all the big predators and release your wild animals and dogs into the wild for 6 months with no supervision is a joke
Yeah because we don't need food to eat. You just go to the supermarket and buy it.
@@Easternoregon1 your parents are siblings arent they?
I call B.S. on that second news story. Those people minding their own business on the out skirts just want to be left alone.
As with cougar, bear, and now wolverine, this will become a safety issue when a wolf stakes out a Portland or Eugene playground or elementary school.
Just raise Kangals or Tibetan mastiffs. They fight Leopards and wolves in their native lands and work great in Africa against big game predators. Im sure they can handle wolves and bears in Oregon
@@catto-m The wolves, and coyotes tag team the dogs who are usually alone. Coyotes can take down a full grown buck. One dog has no chance alone.
A 100 lb ranch dog was killed by wolves north of Joseph in NE Oregon. The vast majority of Oregon's wolves are in NE Oregon. You need at least 2 guard dogs working together otherwise they will be dead meat.
@@standunitedorfall1863 Look up Gampr dogs from Armenia. They work as shepherds for flocks of sheep and goats at high altitudes. The bigger the flock, the more dogs you need but 3 of them should be a minimum. It's stupid to have one dog in wolf country.
@Kaggen yeah these wolves stand taller and carry more weight, along with a pack that is itself very territorial will tear them apart. But its okay. I don't expect people who don't live with the issue to understand. But there are easier, cheaper ways to handle it.
@@tylercain6523 🤣🤣🤣 Clown who assumes or american who knows it all. Grew up in central africa where we have real predators but look up the Kangol and Gampr dogs. They will shred a wolf to pieces and born and bred to protect flocks at high altitudes. One won't do... need a few. Might learn something rather than resorting to a gun like every yankee degenerate does.
He needs a few donkeys not just dogs to protest the herds. There are a few videos of them in actions against wolves. They are bigger than wolves can kick hard. They work for feed.
Maybe it should be treated as a security issue; if security measures are inadequate, then security needs to be raised. Maybe at least four dogs should be outside in wolf country at night. Maybe at least four larger dogs need to be added to the outside dog family. Maybe bite proof armor dog vests needs to be put on dogs left outside for the night.
Maybe hold the Leftist that pushed to save a predator species of animal. The Left did the same thing in the Arctic with Polar Bears until residents in the Arctic started dying from Polar Bear attacks because the population had gotten out of control. They did this with seals which created more feeding grounds for sharks close to humans. The Government needs to stop trying to control everything about society & let people enjoy true Liberty. When the Government takes away your Liberty to keep your property safe from predators they need to be held responsible.
Dear Coleman. you have too. do what you have too. to. Protect your family. and your. livestock ( your bread and. butter. no. question. about it both my wife and I. lived on a farm. so we. are. aware what. your up against / Bill. S. from. Canada
It's simple really. If you own or lease the land you should be able to control the predators on it.
Actually it is not that simple. Ownership of land never gives you complete control of it. You cannot dam a stream upriver from neighbor a law 5000 years old.
@@tombeegeeeye5765 ,
Pure nonsense.
@@tombeegeeeye5765 ,
Streams aren't predators.
Wolves can wipe a rancher out if allowed to go unchecked. Ranchers should be allowed to protect their herds.
Protect their herds, but not hunt them.
"hating" wolves , an animal almost genetically identical to a dog, is an insane concept
The wolves killed his dog, hating wild animals that butcher family pets and livestock is perfectly reasonable.
@@betalis7 ooh nooo not the heccin doggerinooo
The first wolf I ever saw was on the Ft Riley, Kansas range and my driver and I were really impressed. We came over a rise on a dirt road in our Jeep and this big, almost black absolutelyvicious creature was standing in the road like he owned it. As far as we were concerned, he did. He showed no fear at all of us and after staring at us for several minutes, he slowly continued his walk across our path and into the brush. A wolf is an animal to stay away from!
Why not to use pack of livestock guardian dogs?
LGD's are being widely and rapidly adopted in many parts of the west and northwest, by both small and large producers, and often with the support of research and instruction from land grant universities. Texas doesn't even have Wolves yet, and our sheep producers are already funding an LGD Program at Texas A&M.
Unfortunately, wolves expanding into the northern states have evolved to take down large game like moose and elk. This means large wolves that form large packs - with 10 being average and 20 not unusual. Even with large aggressive dogs like the Alabai, you need your dogs to substantially outnumber the local wolf population.
Sending dogs own in insufficient numbers risks massive casualties of both dogs and livestock. Packs of sufficient size to reliably deter attacks by these wolves can only be afforded by very large livestock producers, so wolves add an additional stress to family farms.
@@that.schamp I got calls from big scale farmers,they want to buy puppy to fight wolf( quoting what they said). When I explained that one central Asian Shepherd can't protect against pack you need few ,they lose interest. They re upset to lose cows,but too cheap to invest in good dogs
Wolves are not needed when people hunt.
Okay now this series has become a country western song.
So because they dude wears a different hat than you , he can’t be respected. That’s our problem , right here.
I wonder if they can catch & release them spread out by the coast & big cities; as long as they keep herbivores population down the balance in the vegetation is kept to avoid erosion, deforestation & droughts.
@@OatPancake At least that also keeps the farm animals casualties at a minimum re-establishing balance.
Arm up and take the fight to the wolves.I killed two dogs for attacking my dog I wouldn't hesitate to kill wolves.
Asking to learn, because I have a small farm but not a large ranch. Coyotes and raccoons are our most determined predators here in Northern GA.
Can these ranchers not run multiple LGDs to help protect their herds, the rest of the property, AND each other? I definitely wouldn't recommend running only 1 dog for an effective deterrent. Wolves and coyotes often run in pairs, small groups, or larger packs, so the same should be done when running LGDs. There are breeds that are large enough, formidable enough, and have somewhat natural instincts when it comes to deterring a single wolf or a smaller group, or even engaging them (obviously not a pack that's like 10+ adults strong). Just thinking this might help to keep the cattle, children, and other smaller dog breeds a bit safer. It's not a fool-proof option I know, but couldn't it help?
I live in wolf country. We are wary, but I just carry a weapon, not worried at all. If I had cattle I’d def take advantage of the compensation fund along w mitigation methods that don’t kill the wolf. We enjoy hearing them and will take the wolf danger any day over the crime ridden neighborhoods of the coast.
Thanks!