You are one of the few people that really help explain everything in a simple yet professional way, you take the time and the effort to make it easier for your subscribers. I support you all the way and thanks
The Sparrows DD pick or "The Pick that Bosnian Bill and I made" really only works with locks that can be opened with front tension (meaning you tension from first disk from the keyway opening). Many Abloy locks require tension from the last disk so they need pick that's able to turn the last disk while manipulating one or more disks closer the keyway opening in front. There has been some reports about people successfully opening modern Abloy disk detainer locks with front tension but except for the Protec 2 (where the tension can be applied to interactive keycontrol element instead of disks) I have't seen this on video.
One thing I can speak to is as a whole the community is extremely welcoming and always wants to help people learn and succeed. I have not seen it in any other community. Thank you for the kind words and I hope the video was helpful :)
Fantastic explanation. On this journey myself. I have successfully picked a few disk detainer locks although still working on mastering them. Granted they are only cheap locks but I personally think they are good to practice on and not that expensive of you break it. Looking forward to more videos so I can pick your brains.
Outstanding detail as to how they work. You did very good. Thank you for sharing this. I been learning to pick them and I will take all the help I can get.
Thanks for checking it out! I am happy for there to be a quick and easy to understand resource on how these locks work. They are something so foreign to us in the United States and a little clarity helps :)
Just subscribed yesterday, just checking out the different players and learning at this stage, can't wait to order some picks and locks. 6 down so far. glad I found your "Lock Picking Home School"
Thank you for the kind words. I am looking to update it as well in 2022. Just the rest of the year will be slow for me due to personal reasons. I wish you luck! Also check put www.reddit.com/r/lockpicking
well done on the presentation and explanation! Seen many others but yours clicked I like the false gate example.. your visual picture added cleared up thoughts of how it looked
Thank you for the kind words and I am glad it helped. These locks are so different and just having the visual can make a big difference. Personally, I am still lacking on my skills to pick them and want to learn more
Thank you. I did not really understand how the disc detainer locks work. I can see why the tools that actually work on them are expensive and complex, relative to hooks and rakes..
It is unfortunate that the widely available ones need heavy modifying to work. Technically one some of these front tensioning ones you could pick it with a standard pin and tumbler setup but it seems very hard
No need for any springs. The sidebar rests on top of the disks. It's only when the true gates align that the sidebar is able to drop down far enough for the lock to turn.
What keeps the disks properly aligned for inserting the key? I mean couldn't they be rotated in a way so the the key won't insert or won't turn the disks the correct distance?
If the disks gets turned for some reason (picking or other) you just have to insert the key little by little while you turn the key back and forth. Eventually the key will slide into disk by disk until it reaches the bottom.
Turning the discs isn't necessary to pick the lock. It's just the thing some people do. You will need to turn them in the opposite direction of where you turned them. However, if you place them into a false gate you will need to turn them either direction to get into the correct gate
Cool cutaway and an awesome tutorial on how DD locks work internally👌 I am currently waiting on a cheap Chinese DD pick and hopefully I can modify it enough to fit my Abloy 321, if not I have a couple of cheap DD padlocks to practice on👍 Enjoy the rest of your week my friend👍😀✌️
Did you buy the set that has one for front tension and one for rear tension? Albert Lebel has a few videos on his front tension one and Daz Evers recently made a video on his rear tension one. It is cool seeing how you can get the most out of these tools with a little bit of work
You know that some of those discs are made so that the Chinese picks don't work, right? :) In any case, to give you more information in general, you might start reading some of Han Fey's work. He has published a few papers on Abloy that you can find online. Here is a link to one of them: toool.nl/images/5/58/Abloy.pdf
HelpfulLockPicker yeah I got one of each in a set, one is silver with with tension handles and the other has a blue cylinder style. I have seen both the videos you are referring to and saved them as reference for when mine arrive, I just hope I get the mods right the first time round, having said that they are cheap enough to buy extras if needed. Appreciate you getting back to me and thanks for the information on how to modify DD picks👍✅ Hope you are progressing well with Huxley's creations they look awesome. Enjoy the rest of your week my friend👍😀✌️
Noctis Motus I have watched a few videos on how to get the best out of the cheap DD picks, plus watched a bunch of Huxley's videos and presentations. I'm only starting to get into understanding how DD locks actually work and how they can be defeated. I appreciate the link Noctis and am always looking for good information on DD locks. Have a good one my friend👍😀✌️
Do you have a video showing how to identify what type of lock simply by looking at them? Surely this has to be the first thing to do before starting to pick Many thanks
This is something which comes with practice. I did do a video showing many of the different types of locks which can be found in my Lock Picking Home School playlist
Have a search online for some of Han Fey's papers on Abloy. Here's a couple for you: toool.nl/images/5/58/Abloy.pdf toool.nl/images/8/8a/Abloypart3.pdf HuxleyPig69 also has a paper on Abloy that you can find online.
Do you know where I can get a disk detainer pick? I know people usually make homemade ones for the best quality, but I don't have that knowledge. I also know sparrows (might) be coming out with one. If they are, do you have any idea of when that would be?
Thanks for checking it out! There is not a ton of info out there but as of late DD locks have become more popular so hopefully in a year or so we will have much more info for the community on them :)
Someone should make one with stainless discs. Looks like those are brass and would be easy to drill depending on the faceplate and what, if anything, is in it.
Brilliant video!!! The information is wonderful presented! Your use of the inset video is awesome!! Truly great work!!! Thank you for sharing this!! 👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏🐈
There's one from Sparrows you can pick up for 1 million dollars. The original design was from Bosnian Bill and LPL. They say it'll be back in stock in Nov. Can't wait lol
@@HelpfulLockPicker: Geesh, how much more money could a disc lock like this cost just to have on a building door's deadbolt or/and doorknob? And why not protect buildings at least as much as protecting a mere bicycle?
@@HelloKittyFanMan.. It's probably the same reason why we haven't switch to electric cars. Every locksmith would have to change their training, equipment, excetera. every aspect that involves lock would have to change
1, @@HelpfulLockPicker, we actually _have_ switched to electric cars... some of us, that is. 2. Every locksmith _should_ add every new style of lock to their training; they're dumb and behind if they don't. They had to learn about how to sense security pins when those came out, didn't they? So if they can handle that then they can handle this.
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You are one of the few people that really help explain everything in a simple yet professional way, you take the time and the effort to make it easier for your subscribers. I support you all the way and thanks
Thank you for the kind words and I'm glad it helped :-)
Bro... Just use "The Pick that Bosnian Bill and I made"
I'd rather not unfortunately
@@HelpfulLockPicker May I ask why? I was thinking of purchasing it myself.
Actually I figured it out. That huxleypig guy made you a custom one, so you don’t want to go use a different one.
The Sparrows DD pick or "The Pick that Bosnian Bill and I made" really only works with locks that can be opened with front tension (meaning you tension from first disk from the keyway opening). Many Abloy locks require tension from the last disk so they need pick that's able to turn the last disk while manipulating one or more disks closer the keyway opening in front.
There has been some reports about people successfully opening modern Abloy disk detainer locks with front tension but except for the Protec 2 (where the tension can be applied to interactive keycontrol element instead of disks) I have't seen this on video.
@@SnakePicks it’s a pride thing.
How come all lockpickers in youtube are so polite and well articulated?
One thing I can speak to is as a whole the community is extremely welcoming and always wants to help people learn and succeed. I have not seen it in any other community. Thank you for the kind words and I hope the video was helpful :)
Ok. Thank you. I had the basic concept planned out in my mind, but didn't understand why people tried to rotate the disks right and left.
Thanks for checking it out!
Fantastic explanation.
On this journey myself. I have successfully picked a few disk detainer locks although still working on mastering them. Granted they are only cheap locks but I personally think they are good to practice on and not that expensive of you break it.
Looking forward to more videos so I can pick your brains.
Thanks sharing! I am excited to gain more experience as well. I have a few locks at home waiting for me when I get back:)
@@HelpfulLockPicker Happy Picking
You and me both.
@@AThreeDogNight 👍🏻
that cutaway is so much better than the clear locks!
Thanks for checking it out! It is still going to be hard to pick for sure though
@@HelpfulLockPicker at least you got the right tool though
Outstanding detail as to how they work. You did very good. Thank you for sharing this. I been learning to pick them and I will take all the help I can get.
Thanks for checking it out! I am happy for there to be a quick and easy to understand resource on how these locks work. They are something so foreign to us in the United States and a little clarity helps :)
The one thing I really don’t understand is how the key cuts cause it to rotate the different disks differently.
Thanks for sharing this question
I can't find a quality animation of DD Lock either.
Thanks! I've been trying to grasp the workings of these locks for a while.
Thank you for the kind words that I am glad it helped with your understanding :-)
would love to see a pick attempt
I can try down the road by Abloy tips are fragile and I want to get better first
Nice leaaon ! Watching how a cut away works realky helps..... Will look for one....
Thanks for checking it out and I'm glad it helped!
Just subscribed yesterday, just checking out the different players and learning at this stage, can't wait to order some picks and locks. 6 down so far. glad I found your "Lock Picking Home School"
Thank you for the kind words. I am looking to update it as well in 2022. Just the rest of the year will be slow for me due to personal reasons.
I wish you luck! Also check put www.reddit.com/r/lockpicking
Thanks for the info, It will be some time before I try them but it is nice to know what is going on when watching others pick them.
I am happy to be able to provide a little clarity:)
Really a pick proof design,,, Cheers to the man who engineered it,,, a true genius,, 😁✌
Thanks for checking it out!
@@HelpfulLockPicker TY my fine fellow,,,,, 😁✌
Brilliant video.i recently acquired an Abloy 330 with no key and didn't even know about disc detainer locks.
thank you for the kind words and I am glad it helped :-)
Thank you for the video and explanation
Thanks for checking it out and I am glad it helps 😊
well done on the presentation and explanation! Seen many others but yours clicked
I like the false gate example.. your visual picture added cleared up thoughts of how it looked
Thank you for the kind words and I am glad it helped. These locks are so different and just having the visual can make a big difference. Personally, I am still lacking on my skills to pick them and want to learn more
fantastic demonstration and narration thanks for the lesson
thanks for checking it out and I am glad it helped :-)
Thanks for the lesson.
Thank you for checking it out!
You are one of my best lock pickers. 🥇
Thank you. I did not really understand how the disc detainer locks work. I can see why the tools that actually work on them are expensive and complex, relative to hooks and rakes..
It is unfortunate that the widely available ones need heavy modifying to work. Technically one some of these front tensioning ones you could pick it with a standard pin and tumbler setup but it seems very hard
Excellent video with a great breakdown of how these locks function.
Thank you for the kind words and I'm glad it helps!
Great tutorial!! Happy pickings!!
Thanks for checking it out!
Nice videos! Very explicative, clear and helpful. You have a new subscriber from Italy my friend.
Grazie! I'm glad it was easy to follow and helpful :)
Where do we find the springs of the sidebar, What is their position? Do they push up or push down the sidebar?
I am not sure but they push the sidebar out
No need for any springs. The sidebar rests on top of the disks. It's only when the true gates align that the sidebar is able to drop down far enough for the lock to turn.
Very helpful video, thank you very much, sir.
Thank you for checking it out and I am glad it helps
What keeps the disks properly aligned for inserting the key? I mean couldn't they be rotated in a way so the the key won't insert or won't turn the disks the correct distance?
I believe they can only turn so much
If the disks gets turned for some reason (picking or other) you just have to insert the key little by little while you turn the key back and forth.
Eventually the key will slide into disk by disk until it reaches the bottom.
To pick we turn all the disks clockwise. Should we then pick anticlockwise ?
Turning the discs isn't necessary to pick the lock. It's just the thing some people do. You will need to turn them in the opposite direction of where you turned them. However, if you place them into a false gate you will need to turn them either direction to get into the correct gate
@@HelpfulLockPicker So picking and tensioning in the opposite direction ?
Thanks. The question I have is why don't they make the false gates a little deeper to make it more difficult to pick?
I am not sure of the correct answer but I would guess they would not want the discs to be weakened too much to prevent a shearing attack
If they made the false gates deeper, they would all of a sudden become true gates, and the lock would then be significantly easier to open. :O)
Cool cutaway and an awesome tutorial on how DD locks work internally👌
I am currently waiting on a cheap Chinese DD pick and hopefully I can modify it enough to fit my Abloy 321, if not I have a couple of cheap DD padlocks to practice on👍
Enjoy the rest of your week my friend👍😀✌️
Did you buy the set that has one for front tension and one for rear tension? Albert Lebel has a few videos on his front tension one and Daz Evers recently made a video on his rear tension one. It is cool seeing how you can get the most out of these tools with a little bit of work
You know that some of those discs are made so that the Chinese picks don't work, right? :) In any case, to give you more information in general, you might start reading some of Han Fey's work. He has published a few papers on Abloy that you can find online. Here is a link to one of them: toool.nl/images/5/58/Abloy.pdf
HelpfulLockPicker yeah I got one of each in a set, one is silver with with tension handles and the other has a blue cylinder style. I have seen both the videos you are referring to and saved them as reference for when mine arrive, I just hope I get the mods right the first time round, having said that they are cheap enough to buy extras if needed.
Appreciate you getting back to me and thanks for the information on how to modify DD picks👍✅
Hope you are progressing well with Huxley's creations they look awesome.
Enjoy the rest of your week my friend👍😀✌️
@@NoctisMotus cool, thanks for sharing!
Noctis Motus I have watched a few videos on how to get the best out of the cheap DD picks, plus watched a bunch of Huxley's videos and presentations. I'm only starting to get into understanding how DD locks actually work and how they can be defeated.
I appreciate the link Noctis and am always looking for good information on DD locks.
Have a good one my friend👍😀✌️
Do you have a video showing how to identify what type of lock simply by looking at them? Surely this has to be the first thing to do before starting to pick Many thanks
This is something which comes with practice. I did do a video showing many of the different types of locks which can be found in my Lock Picking Home School playlist
Yes! I would LOVE to see more videos like these. Very informative!
Thanks for checking it out
Great video, thanks! Would you say there is much noticeable difference between this Abloy you showed and the original half circle keyway style?
To be completely honest with you I am not much of an authority on Abloy disc detainers. One of the best people to ask would be huxleypig69.
Have a search online for some of Han Fey's papers on Abloy. Here's a couple for you:
toool.nl/images/5/58/Abloy.pdf
toool.nl/images/8/8a/Abloypart3.pdf
HuxleyPig69 also has a paper on Abloy that you can find online.
@@NoctisMotus thanks for the links!
@@wllmrkhm All good. :)
Those were very helpful links. Thank you
And once picked, can we insert again the true key ?
Once you reset the discs you can insert your key
Do you know where I can get a disk detainer pick? I know people usually make homemade ones for the best quality, but I don't have that knowledge. I also know sparrows (might) be coming out with one. If they are, do you have any idea of when that would be?
Lockfall.com was making them. You can shoot them an email. They make a nice one
Another great video. Thank you. You are amazing at explaining and demonstrating different kinds of locks.
Thank you for the kind words!
Thanks for that Bud I've been needing this info for a while.
Thanks for checking it out! There is not a ton of info out there but as of late DD locks have become more popular so hopefully in a year or so we will have much more info for the community on them :)
@@HelpfulLockPicker, I sure hope so.
Great video bud. That's a cool cut away lock. It's very helpful.
Thank you for the kind words!
Great explanation, jsut what I was looking for, thx man!
I am glad it helps 😊
That's interesting, are those locks considered safer than some other mechanisms? Are there any low skill attacks available?
There are destructive entry low skill attacks but for the most part picking needs to be done disc by disc which takes skill and the right tool
Very cool my friend.
Thank you for the kind words!
Someone should make one with stainless discs. Looks like those are brass and would be easy to drill depending on the faceplate and what, if anything, is in it.
Brilliant video!!!
The information is wonderful presented!
Your use of the inset video is awesome!!
Truly great work!!!
Thank you for sharing this!!
👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏🐈
Thank you for the kind words!
Thanks so much for the video!! Very helpful!!
Thank you for the kind words and I am glad it helps!
So it's there any kind of warding in this lock? I'm trying to figure out why the disks allow the key to be inserted if one is moved by a pick.
The discs sort of provide the warding
Thank you.
Thanks for checking it out and I hope it helped!
Great video! Well explained and presented. Thanks for making this.
Thank you for the kind words!
There's one from Sparrows you can pick up for 1 million dollars. The original design was from Bosnian Bill and LPL. They say it'll be back in stock in Nov. Can't wait lol
Thanks for sharing
Sparrows should be releasing a disc detainer pick soon as designed by LPL and BB.
Thanks for sharing!
nice
Thanks for checking it out!
You don't show the key in detail. I don't understand how the key profile make it rotate discs selectively.
Maybe I can make a video on that explaining it better in the future :)
Thank you! I never fully understood how DD locks work until watching this!
Where can I find DD locks? Amazon doesn't have a very good selection!
eBay is a good place
Any well assorted hardware store should have them, I guess.
6/86 videos watched!
Thanks for checking it out
Then why aren't most locks made this way and pin-tumbler locks obsolete?
the reason is money and convenience
@@HelpfulLockPicker: Geesh, how much more money could a disc lock like this cost just to have on a building door's deadbolt or/and doorknob? And why not protect buildings at least as much as protecting a mere bicycle?
@@HelloKittyFanMan.. It's probably the same reason why we haven't switch to electric cars. Every locksmith would have to change their training, equipment, excetera. every aspect that involves lock would have to change
1, @@HelpfulLockPicker, we actually _have_ switched to electric cars... some of us, that is. 2. Every locksmith _should_ add every new style of lock to their training; they're dumb and behind if they don't. They had to learn about how to sense security pins when those came out, didn't they? So if they can handle that then they can handle this.
Very interresting my friend, also i send you a mail just so you know it
Thanks for checking it out and I just saw your email.
@@HelpfulLockPicker ok i just wanted you to know
This is a weird Beavis and Butthead episode.
thanks for sharing
Neat
Thank you for checking it out
I had to listen to listen and you didn't even show how to pick it.
Thanks for sharing
You ar graet
Thanks
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Thanks for checking it out!