It’s nice to be able to highlight a small maker/manufacturer. Low-volume, high precision products command a high price, but you can’t ever compare them to the alternative cheap, high-volume, low precision tools available from China when they come to use ability and durability. Whether these types of tool appeal to you is entirely dependent on your need and picking preferences. 😃
I, we at Eight Ball Engineering take full ownership of the price to the consumer as Simens distributors. And feel the price reflects the tool. The price will not be for everyone but as you can see we are monitoring the comments and feedback from his audience. Hope this helps. It’s a great review. Honest and impartial so thank you for that. It’s a great little tool This price is also including postage and packaging in the uk only.
honestly surprised sparrows hasn't followed up their front-tensioning tool with a similar quality rear-tensioning tool. easy to sell as a set and the sales of the front-tensioning tool over the last few years must show that there's ample demand.
I bought two of them , one left in the van and one on the bench and would definitely pick up an equal quality rear tensioning tool but at that price only one for the bench.
Thank you for making that video. That just boosted my confidence knowing there’s a chance it might not be my fault I’m unable to pick the same lock I seen people do online with the sparrows disc detainer pick. It’s probably me, but at least I don’t feel as defeated anymore.
love mine, made quick work of an 88+ with it. BTW iirc, the precision in the through bore of the picking tip is because opsasec opted to use wire edm to make that hole. tarejherne really put a TON of thought and care into the design of these
If they fit that closely then they have probably been ground together. This is the same technique that is used to make high quality ground glass joints in laboratory glassware. Sidenote: Modern Tapered Glass Joints in cheaper LabWare are manufactured accurately enough to seal without grinding.
Does it come with different tips for different keyway profiles? Are Abloy Classic locks rear tensioning? If so, is the tip of this pick applicable to Abloy Classic locks?
@@LockNoob Thanks! It means specific pick tip is needed for each type of disc detainer lock keyway profiles. I am shocked when I look at the price of the Silver Bullets lock picking tool.😂
As I understand it now, they are only accepting applications to buy, via invitation only. Rather strange. I assume demand was high and they are low on product at the moment.
Very good video. I like how well you show detailed method to use the tool. The tool itself is awesome too. Seems to be excellent quality, best DD tool I seen since the on Bill and Harry designed for sparrows. but I still think it's overpriced. Also love that acrylic lock you picked, that looks like a very good learning/practice lock. You spoke of "center tensioning disc detained locks". How the hell do you pick them? I'm assuming the tensioner part of your tool would have to be thin enough to be used as the pick while you tensioned with the other part of the tool.
Centre tensioning is a hard one. There are ways around it as I showed with this tool… you just have to find the zero cut and tension off that to set the last disk. Alternatively, you can use a centre tensioning tool like the silver bullet, but that gets even more expert and niche. both great tools
The Abloy 330 lock key profile has a shape that dictates the pick tip to be 1.5mm or less. I wonder if the pick tip is fine enough and is it strong enough at this dimensions or it must be handled gently?
A question: I know you enjoy devising your own DIY tools. If you avoid the high-security locks, is it feasible to make something less complex, less precision that would work for some low-security disc detainer locks? I'm thinking of something that isn't a rod inside a tube, but is rather two rods. Or would they just get too tangled?
The reason DD picks are almost always 2-in-1 style tools is because of how tough it can be to navigate the keyways. Once you get the tensioner set, you really only have to worry about depth and rotation. It's the same for all locks if you watch top pickers, pick placement is almost always done in a way to eliminate some range of motion to reduce variables. Very prevalent for dimple locks, the back side of the flag is almost always braced against a tensioner or the edge of the keyway to eliminate needing to manage side to side movement. For standard PT, the bottom of the pick is almost always braced on the bottom of the keyway or a ledge in the warding. That said, there's no reason they HAVE to be 2-in-1. It's just generally easier to pick that way. I know someone that picked an Abloy classic with 2 hooks. Could you just use 2 pieces of bent music wire for low sec stuff? Absolutely. Would I suggest it? No. Not with how readily available ejector pins and capillary tubing are. A few hours with a Dremel and some hand tools and you can make a tensioner and tip for just about anything. You could feasibly use just pins and tubing, but turning them would be a nightmare because of how small the diameters are. 99% of DD locks is in the tip making, the handles are just there for ease of use. If you don't want to make a handle, just buy a Resin Bullet.
very cool product 👍 cool that you featured it 👌 the naming alone is amazing and the machining looks just great! I would definitely buy one if I could rectify to buy yet another DD tool 😔 Cheers 🍻
Great review like always!, but I'm from Romania (Europe)😂, and I can't register!. They sell only in UK, Scotland...... How can I buy it?!. Please help me Ash!
Hi! just found this awesome channel and after watching a few vids I can say it's great! I'm a total newbie but I like this. the problem is that in my area nobody sells any equipment not even picks, so I'm really stuck in this. anyway, keep it up! +1 sub
Great review Ash my friend! looks like a nice tool. What is the outter diameter for the tip tube? at the video it looks like thicker than others Great video! thanks for sharing ;o)))
I was fine up until the price now i am truly Discombobulated! You have got to be kidding even GJ would baulk at that pricing and he is a comic in his own right! flaming trot on!
I suppose it’s a matter of opinion. If you are a trading locksmith then up to £225 is the magic number for picks and will pay for itself. If you are a serious locksporter then the price reflects a very well made reliable tool. But people with hobby’s spend thousands a year. The price is not too bad if you look at the bigger picture. Costs of raw materials have gone up. Tooling and machine set up. Time programming and making the tools. Advertising and websites postage both from maker to seller. It also reflects on the skill of Simen and the endless trials and time spent designing. 👍👍
@@MrStuartgame3 I agree to some extent but as a toolmaker myself i wish him all the best and hope he makes a fortune from the " all the gear and no idea" brigade but its not for me!
The tool looks great, but the company that makes it clearly failed Marketing 101. Why did they even bother sending Lock Noob a sample for review when they refuse to sell it to most people? First, you have to submit a formal application in order to be granted the privilege of buying their stuff. This process takes days while they perform "reasonable diligence checks" on you. No further explanation is offered as to what they might be checking for. And oh, by the way, they only accept applicants from the UK. The rest of the world can suck it. I could go on, but the point is that this product is pointless if it's unobtainable for most people and this video is nothing more than a tease about a thing you cannot have.
It’s nice to be able to highlight a small maker/manufacturer. Low-volume, high precision products command a high price, but you can’t ever compare them to the alternative cheap, high-volume, low precision tools available from China when they come to use ability and durability. Whether these types of tool appeal to you is entirely dependent on your need and picking preferences. 😃
I, we at Eight Ball Engineering take full ownership of the price to the consumer as Simens distributors. And feel the price reflects the tool. The price will not be for everyone but as you can see we are monitoring the comments and feedback from his audience. Hope this helps.
It’s a great review. Honest and impartial so thank you for that. It’s a great little tool
This price is also including postage and packaging in the uk only.
I think that is a very reasonable price. Especially considering what is being charged by a different competitor I won’t name lol.
honestly surprised sparrows hasn't followed up their front-tensioning tool with a similar quality rear-tensioning tool. easy to sell as a set and the sales of the front-tensioning tool over the last few years must show that there's ample demand.
I bought two of them , one left in the van and one on the bench and would definitely pick up an equal quality rear tensioning tool but at that price only one for the bench.
Man that looks like it’s smooth operating. Very cool tool!
I came for the pick and stayed for the cut aways. Nice video and great explanation!
Thank you for making that video. That just boosted my confidence knowing there’s a chance it might not be my fault I’m unable to pick the same lock I seen people do online with the sparrows disc detainer pick. It’s probably me, but at least I don’t feel as defeated anymore.
love mine, made quick work of an 88+ with it. BTW iirc, the precision in the through bore of the picking tip is because opsasec opted to use wire edm to make that hole. tarejherne really put a TON of thought and care into the design of these
Nice looking tool
Is the picking tip soldered onto the tube or fully machined from one piece of steel?? Which would be quite difficult to do 😬
You know what? I’m not sure. I’ll ask
Apparently machined not welded!
@@LockNoob wow that's impressive. That justifies the price completely 😯👍
@@LockNoob I've been trying to mass produce the same for my version but is proving difficult 😬
If they fit that closely then they have probably been ground together.
This is the same technique that is used to make high quality ground glass joints in laboratory glassware.
Sidenote: Modern Tapered Glass Joints in cheaper LabWare are manufactured accurately enough to seal without grinding.
Does it come with different tips for different keyway profiles?
Are Abloy Classic locks rear tensioning?
If so, is the tip of this pick applicable to Abloy Classic locks?
You need a very specific and very expensive pick tip for the Abloy classic
@@LockNoob Thanks!
It means specific pick tip is needed for each type of disc detainer lock keyway profiles.
I am shocked when I look at the price of the Silver Bullets lock picking tool.😂
can you recommend a 40mm padlock which is difficult to pick? I'm looking for this to secure a locker
As I understand it now, they are only accepting applications to buy, via invitation only. Rather strange. I assume demand was high and they are low on product at the moment.
Very good video. I like how well you show detailed method to use the tool.
The tool itself is awesome too. Seems to be excellent quality, best DD tool I seen since the on Bill and Harry designed for sparrows. but I still think it's overpriced.
Also love that acrylic lock you picked, that looks like a very good learning/practice lock.
You spoke of "center tensioning disc detained locks". How the hell do you pick them? I'm assuming the tensioner part of your tool would have to be thin enough to be used as the pick while you tensioned with the other part of the tool.
Centre tensioning is a hard one. There are ways around it as I showed with this tool… you just have to find the zero cut and tension off that to set the last disk. Alternatively, you can use a centre tensioning tool like the silver bullet, but that gets even more expert and niche. both great tools
Would love to have one, but it's a little out of my reach. Nice review though.
Considering getting this or the RWB. The Silver Bullet is way too expensive, but I do like versatility. Any other suggestions?
Good balanced review LN. Looks like a fantastic tool, bit pricey though. Having said that, all things are relative.
The Abloy 330 lock key profile has a shape that dictates the pick tip to be 1.5mm or less. I wonder if the pick tip is fine enough and is it strong enough at this dimensions or it must be handled gently?
How does this compare to, say, the famous tool by those other lock picking TH-camrs?
A question: I know you enjoy devising your own DIY tools. If you avoid the high-security locks, is it feasible to make something less complex, less precision that would work for some low-security disc detainer locks? I'm thinking of something that isn't a rod inside a tube, but is rather two rods. Or would they just get too tangled?
The reason DD picks are almost always 2-in-1 style tools is because of how tough it can be to navigate the keyways. Once you get the tensioner set, you really only have to worry about depth and rotation. It's the same for all locks if you watch top pickers, pick placement is almost always done in a way to eliminate some range of motion to reduce variables. Very prevalent for dimple locks, the back side of the flag is almost always braced against a tensioner or the edge of the keyway to eliminate needing to manage side to side movement. For standard PT, the bottom of the pick is almost always braced on the bottom of the keyway or a ledge in the warding.
That said, there's no reason they HAVE to be 2-in-1. It's just generally easier to pick that way. I know someone that picked an Abloy classic with 2 hooks. Could you just use 2 pieces of bent music wire for low sec stuff? Absolutely. Would I suggest it? No. Not with how readily available ejector pins and capillary tubing are. A few hours with a Dremel and some hand tools and you can make a tensioner and tip for just about anything. You could feasibly use just pins and tubing, but turning them would be a nightmare because of how small the diameters are. 99% of DD locks is in the tip making, the handles are just there for ease of use. If you don't want to make a handle, just buy a Resin Bullet.
Nice bit of kit Ash mate very nicr👊🇬🇧😎😊👍
Great Review 😃👍
Awesome tolerances 😃
Super quality.
Best to this new small high quality maker!!!!
🐈⬛🐾🐈🐾🇬🇧🍻
very cool product 👍
cool that you featured it 👌
the naming alone is amazing and the machining looks just great!
I would definitely buy one if I could rectify to buy yet another DD tool 😔
Cheers 🍻
Great review like always!, but I'm from Romania (Europe)😂, and I can't register!. They sell only in UK, Scotland......
How can I buy it?!. Please help me Ash!
Fantastic review as always. Keep up the good work Ash 👍
Hi! just found this awesome channel and after watching a few vids I can say it's great! I'm a total newbie but I like this. the problem is that in my area nobody sells any equipment not even picks, so I'm really stuck in this.
anyway, keep it up! +1 sub
Great review Ash my friend! looks like a nice tool.
What is the outter diameter for the tip tube? at the video it looks like thicker than others
Great video! thanks for sharing ;o)))
Very nicely made, but usability could be improved as the hand position is tricky
I was fine up until the price now i am truly Discombobulated! You have got to be kidding even GJ would baulk at that pricing and he is a comic in his own right! flaming trot on!
The alternatives are slim. Not many rear tension dd picks around really
I suppose it’s a matter of opinion. If you are a trading locksmith then up to £225 is the magic number for picks and will pay for itself. If you are a serious locksporter then the price reflects a very well made reliable tool. But people with hobby’s spend thousands a year.
The price is not too bad if you look at the bigger picture. Costs of raw materials have gone up. Tooling and machine set up. Time programming and making the tools. Advertising and websites postage both from maker to seller. It also reflects on the skill of Simen and the endless trials and time spent designing. 👍👍
@@MrStuartgame3 I agree to some extent but as a toolmaker myself i wish him all the best and hope he makes a fortune from the " all the gear and no idea" brigade but its not for me!
Low precission is 2 clips to spend 1 hour trial pick
Looks like an excellent tool! Unfortunately I dont live in the UK.🤦🏼♂️ Please sell to the US! 🙏🏻
It nice but if i was going to spend that sort of money i would buy a Silver bullet
Another great tool for sure
I like it . However it’s very costly
Finally, some competition with the silver bullet. Competition is alway good in our capitalist society, might start to see some prices come down.
That rear tension is very chunky.
Needs to be
The tool looks great, but the company that makes it clearly failed Marketing 101. Why did they even bother sending Lock Noob a sample for review when they refuse to sell it to most people?
First, you have to submit a formal application in order to be granted the privilege of buying their stuff. This process takes days while they perform "reasonable diligence checks" on you. No further explanation is offered as to what they might be checking for.
And oh, by the way, they only accept applicants from the UK. The rest of the world can suck it.
I could go on, but the point is that this product is pointless if it's unobtainable for most people and this video is nothing more than a tease about a thing you cannot have.
May-18 '23 from the website: Now shipping to UK, EU (£17) & USA (£20)