I can't tell you how helpful this was. I've watched MANY vids on spool pins and I understand how to pick them however no one ever talked about binding order. Thank you thank you thank you
ive been picking since i was 16, even went viral on a vid i was the first person ever to find the only technique to a masterlock 6119D bike lock, i was never able to do spool pins before, so i seen your video just now, and i finally opened my door lock after 3 days of trying, your technique helped me finally learn to open spools... THANK YOU SO MUCH :):):):)
Thank you! Just got into lock sport as a hobby and work in a place where people are constantly needing locks cut off their lockers for whatever reason. So far I've been able to save quite a few locks and it's so much more fun to pick them rather than destroy them and people are amazed😂. We had a piece of a kit at work already but very few tools. Had my supervisor order a cheap one and got into it a little more. Now I'm building my own kit and it's a lot of fun! Tried some lockout tag out locks just for fun and got stopped in my tracks. I will continue with a little more knowledge. Thanks again😊!
Maaan, I did it! I picked an Abus 65/60 6 hours after unzipping my first kit! Thanks to this video I was able to understand counter rotation, I did not know about that. I cant thank you enough. You live up to your name "HelpfulLockPicker". Can't believe it! I dont even drink and I am going to have a shot of whiskey to celebrate :D
Congratulations! I think this was your best and most relaxed-sounding video yet. Thanks for the great explanation. I'd like to hear you describe how you determine the correct tension to apply when SPPing. That is, absolutely, the hardest thing for me.
I’m very new at this, but I have successfully picked some locks - others are stumping me. I’m still learning to feel what’s going on. When I just probe without tension I can find all the pins and feel them spring up and down, but when I apply tension and get a pin or two set it all gets much more vague and I feel like I’m just getting lucky when (if) it opens. Practice practice - but videos like this help give me a better understanding of what is going on. I do enjoy a challenge though.
this is so much help. I bought a lock pick set about a month ago and i’ve picked a few locks. I bought a master lock #140 today and wasn’t sure about how to pick the spool pin
Great video, again. Thank you. Bought my first spool-pinned padlock yesterday, after churning through standard locks and combination locks, wanted to step up the challenge. It's a Lockwood 110/40 (marine version).
Nice video, I'm very rusty and need to get my picking back up to confident, working several American padlocks, need to pick and turn shackle to expose bible set screw to remove/ rekey. Definitely need to defeat some spool/security pins. I will be watching core movement closer, thanks.
Dude.. I couldnt even find a video on LockPickingLawyers channel that could show and explain this. Thank you! I am trying to pick my Abus 65/60. I just got my first lockpick set today (Sparrow Classic). I spent 2.5 hours on my Abus, I had a no-brand-name lock I was able to rake in 15 seconds but I only have these two locks. The Abus doesnt even have a key lol. My hands where that warm (over a 2.5hour period) that the "heat resistant" covering my hook pick (and others) came with, the back end of it, sliced through and I had to put black electrical tape on it. I just got the thing! I dont have a 50/1000 pribar for I think its called above the key tension? I only have what came with the set which are Z bars and the ones that look like allen keys. So I am not getting much feedback due to not having that correct tension bar. Any advice on getting this 65/60 opened? Literally my first day. Great video!
Abus typically have decent tolerances and some security pins. It is likely not a good choice for lock #2. I think you just need more experience first. You can get the prybar (TOK aka top of keyway tensioner) from Peterson or Sparrow. Get the 0.040 and 0.050 also get some bottom of keyway (BOK) tensioner in different sizes.
i keep having trouble with BOK tensioning of the wrench kind of dropping or binding on the lip of the plug itself, or (i think-) what is sometimes happening is the wrench kind of twists off level, and moves to a kind of angled position within the cylinder, both blocking access to pins towards the rear of the lock, and also interfereing with feedback from the lock itself....?
Some locks top of the keyway really just works best. Another common problem with bottom of the keyway is it can bind the core sometimes and just seize everything up
I have 2 locks with spools and raking is still easier and quicker then single picking. And I am a beginner. With the lightest tension, raking works well
Stephane Boudreau you only get the false set when all the non spool pins are picked. Any pin can bind at any given time. I am currently working on a video that will explain this in more detail. With spool pins figuring out the true binding order becomes very important
How do you get your hands on a lock you can manually load with special pins like that? Seems like a natural second step from the clear padlock starter in terms of learning tools.
Is there any particular reason why you use the standard Peterson hook(As opposed to the one with the reduced shank)?I mean personally,I have found that more often than not it’s wide shaft can not only make it difficult to maneuver in key ways,but can inadvertently overset pins as well
I use the Peterson hook One reach so it is a bit longer than the standard one. What I like about it is it fits further into deeper keyways but everything you said is absolutely true and makes it difficult to use sometimes. One large reasons I use it is because it was my first pick and I have used it since day one.
Sorry to keep bombarding you with questions but like I said I'm just learning. Where can I get a kwikset practice lock and where can I get the standard and security pins so I can change the lock as I progress? I'm taking it the schlage/sparrows reload kit wont work with the kwikset?
@@HelpfulLockPicker yes from iowa, I'll check out clk. So if I'm getting this right I can use the top pins and security pins/springs from the reload kid but I just need to buy bottom pins
Only thing missing is you need to point out that this is where tension is the most important thing. Up 'til you get to a spool, "you've" only pushed one way during a full pick. Now you need to let the tensioner turn back the way while still pushing in the same direction.
So when you have a false set from a spool pin you rely on the other pins to pull the cylinder back and the false set pin will correct position and open? Im missing something. when the tension returns back to normal position youdont need to touch pin one again? Thx Bro and anybody else. I dont understand why the spool pin would move up and set without touching it. Noob BTW. THX!
When you set the standard pins the lock goes into a false set because the plug sits on the thinner diameter of the spool pin. When you set the spool it lifts from thin diameter to thicker diameter which makes the counter rotation
I'm just starting out and bought a repinnable lock with a schlage keyway and a sparrows reload kit. HOW does anyone fit a pick in this damn keyway, the schlage warding is blocking me from accessing all the pins and hindering me from practicing. Please help.
I would strongly recommend you start off with a quick Kwikset Lock because the key way is much more open. On the Schlage you have to pick from an angle left to right. The pick will be slightly slanted
@@HelpfulLockPicker thank you for the quick response. Are there quickset repinnable locks for practice and if so do they use the same pins and springs as the schlage and in the sparrows reload kit?
@@FollowerofYahuwah You could purchase one from placed like Hime Depot easily. The keypins are different heights but the springs and driver pins are compatible
@@HelpfulLockPicker there's so much slack because every single one of the pins are Spool pins, that it makes it impossible to apply the perfect amount of tension on my tension wrench. I don't have problems setting the pins, every single time I set like three pins, I go to set the fourth one and one of the three pins fall down.
@@ddoggangstar2 you just have to really find the true binding order. It takes time to develop in some locks are just harder than others with different configurations
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I can't tell you how helpful this was. I've watched MANY vids on spool pins and I understand how to pick them however no one ever talked about binding order. Thank you thank you thank you
I am happy to hear it helped! Spools are a lot of fun once you get used to them :)
ive been picking since i was 16, even went viral on a vid i was the first person ever to find the only technique to a masterlock 6119D bike lock, i was never able to do spool pins before, so i seen your video just now, and i finally opened my door lock after 3 days of trying, your technique helped me finally learn to open spools... THANK YOU SO MUCH :):):):)
Thanks for sharing
I don't have any clear or cutaway locks so I have never visually seen how that works. That was incredibly helpful. thank you so much
Thank you for the kind words and I am glad it helps
Thank you! Just got into lock sport as a hobby and work in a place where people are constantly needing locks cut off their lockers for whatever reason. So far I've been able to save quite a few locks and it's so much more fun to pick them rather than destroy them and people are amazed😂. We had a piece of a kit at work already but very few tools. Had my supervisor order a cheap one and got into it a little more. Now I'm building my own kit and it's a lot of fun! Tried some lockout tag out locks just for fun and got stopped in my tracks. I will continue with a little more knowledge. Thanks again😊!
thanks for sharing
Can you please tell me the name or the tensioning tool he uses here?
That was tremendously helpful. I needed somebody to show counter-rotation while keeping the pins above the shear line.
Thank you for the kind words and I am glad it helped :)
As an engineer, it's interesting to learn how different mechanisms work. Thanks!
Thanks for checking it out!
Maaan, I did it! I picked an Abus 65/60 6 hours after unzipping my first kit! Thanks to this video I was able to understand counter rotation, I did not know about that. I cant thank you enough. You live up to your name "HelpfulLockPicker". Can't believe it! I dont even drink and I am going to have a shot of whiskey to celebrate :D
Congrats thats a big open for lock #2!
Congratulations! I think this was your best and most relaxed-sounding video yet. Thanks for the great explanation. I'd like to hear you describe how you determine the correct tension to apply when SPPing. That is, absolutely, the hardest thing for me.
Thank you for the feedback! I do plan to make a video on tension for spool pins and a few other videos on them :)
I’m very new at this, but I have successfully picked some locks - others are stumping me. I’m still learning to feel what’s going on. When I just probe without tension I can find all the pins and feel them spring up and down, but when I apply tension and get a pin or two set it all gets much more vague and I feel like I’m just getting lucky when (if) it opens. Practice practice - but videos like this help give me a better understanding of what is going on. I do enjoy a challenge though.
Thanks for the perfect explanation and clear camera work. Lots of videos out there but this is by far the best.
Thank you for the kind words!
Very nice explanation. Thank you for sharing this...
Albert Lebel thank you for the kind words!
Brill and how you explain how these pins work it was fascinating
thank you for the kind words and I'm glad it helps!
this is so much help. I bought a lock pick set about a month ago and i’ve picked a few locks. I bought a master lock #140 today and wasn’t sure about how to pick the spool pin
Thank you for the kind words and I am glad it helps!
Great video, again. Thank you. Bought my first spool-pinned padlock yesterday, after churning through standard locks and combination locks, wanted to step up the challenge. It's a Lockwood 110/40 (marine version).
Thanks for sharing 👍
Another great vid :-)
Lock Noob thanks for checking it out!
Excellent instruction enhanced with superb video. Super helpful to this new lock picker!
Thank you for the kind words and I'm glad it helps with your learning :-)
Very good demo.
Barnett Bursley thank you for the kind words!
thank you, this really helped with my garrison lock
Congrats on your success!
Thx for the help. I just started getting into lock picking literally a week ago.
Mr. Clean thank you for the kind words, if you have any questions feel free to ask :)
Nice video, I'm very rusty and need to get my picking back up to confident, working several American padlocks, need to pick and turn shackle to expose bible set screw to remove/ rekey. Definitely need to defeat some spool/security pins. I will be watching core movement closer, thanks.
I am glad this helps and I wish you luck 🤞
Thank you this kept me from pulling out my hair great explanation
thank you for the kind and I am glad that it helps!
Finally a true explanation! :-)
Thanks for checking it out
I am learning to pick locks and just subscribed to your channel great vid and explanation will be going through your other vids excellent work.
Thank you for the kind words and I hope they help! If you have any questions feel free to ask
Dude.. I couldnt even find a video on LockPickingLawyers channel that could show and explain this. Thank you! I am trying to pick my Abus 65/60. I just got my first lockpick set today (Sparrow Classic). I spent 2.5 hours on my Abus, I had a no-brand-name lock I was able to rake in 15 seconds but I only have these two locks. The Abus doesnt even have a key lol. My hands where that warm (over a 2.5hour period) that the "heat resistant" covering my hook pick (and others) came with, the back end of it, sliced through and I had to put black electrical tape on it. I just got the thing! I dont have a 50/1000 pribar for I think its called above the key tension? I only have what came with the set which are Z bars and the ones that look like allen keys. So I am not getting much feedback due to not having that correct tension bar. Any advice on getting this 65/60 opened? Literally my first day. Great video!
Abus typically have decent tolerances and some security pins. It is likely not a good choice for lock #2. I think you just need more experience first.
You can get the prybar (TOK aka top of keyway tensioner) from Peterson or Sparrow. Get the 0.040 and 0.050 also get some bottom of keyway (BOK) tensioner in different sizes.
I’m new to this. I have a brinks lock I have been working on for 3 weeks with no luck. When you say counter rotation wouldn’t that reset the pins?
Once again nice job.
Briarberrycove thank you for checking it out :-)
Well done, great explanation and examples
Thank you for the kind words!
Thanks for the knowledge, great video.
Thank you for the kind words!
Excellent video!
Are the locks that utilise a flat bladed key with dots on either side possible to pick?
Most mechanically locks have been picked so I would imagine the answer would be yes. Do you have a particular lock you are referencing?
I did it! Yeess with the great help of HeLP
Base Gaming congrats on the open!
HelpfulLockPicker thanks
i keep having trouble with BOK tensioning of the wrench kind of dropping or binding on the lip of the plug itself, or (i think-) what is sometimes happening is the wrench kind of twists off level, and moves to a kind of angled position within the cylinder, both blocking access to pins towards the rear of the lock, and also interfereing with feedback from the lock itself....?
Some locks top of the keyway really just works best. Another common problem with bottom of the keyway is it can bind the core sometimes and just seize everything up
I have 2 locks with spools and raking is still easier and quicker then single picking. And I am a beginner. With the lightest tension, raking works well
Thanks for sharing! I am glad you were able to spend the time to develop this valuable skill 😀
Great video , as a noob this was very helpful :]
CC MOGS I'm glad it could help :-)
Is the first step in picking locks with spools is getting the false set? Will the first binding pin always be a non-spool pin?
Stephane Boudreau you only get the false set when all the non spool pins are picked. Any pin can bind at any given time. I am currently working on a video that will explain this in more detail.
With spool pins figuring out the true binding order becomes very important
How do you get your hands on a lock you can manually load with special pins like that? Seems like a natural second step from the clear padlock starter in terms of learning tools.
I bought this on on eBay. Look for a "cutaway lock"
Very helpful!! Thank you.
Thank you for the kind words
Is there any particular reason why you use the standard Peterson hook(As opposed to the one with the reduced shank)?I mean personally,I have found that more often than not it’s wide shaft can not only make it difficult to maneuver in key ways,but can inadvertently overset pins as well
I use the Peterson hook One reach so it is a bit longer than the standard one. What I like about it is it fits further into deeper keyways but everything you said is absolutely true and makes it difficult to use sometimes. One large reasons I use it is because it was my first pick and I have used it since day one.
Just like the Channel name. Helpful Lockpicker! Thanks!
Thank you for the kind words!
@@HelpfulLockPicker You are most welcome Friend. 😊
Sorry to keep bombarding you with questions but like I said I'm just learning. Where can I get a kwikset practice lock and where can I get the standard and security pins so I can change the lock as I progress? I'm taking it the schlage/sparrows reload kit wont work with the kwikset?
Are you from the United States? You can buy one from any hardware store. I usually get my pins from CLK Supply
@@HelpfulLockPicker yes from iowa, I'll check out clk. So if I'm getting this right I can use the top pins and security pins/springs from the reload kid but I just need to buy bottom pins
Where can I get one of those practice locks at? Being able to pin it how u want fast
you can find them on eBay pretty easily
Great info my friend nice video😊👍😊😎😎😎
Leon's lockpad thank you for the kind words :-)
Can you share your vice you used in this vid. I’m looking for a good one.
It is the Panavise 350: amzn.to/2rV7OYI
This video can't have enough upvotes.
Thank you for the kind words and I am glad it helps :)
Only thing missing is you need to point out that this is where tension is the most important thing. Up 'til you get to a spool, "you've" only pushed one way during a full pick. Now you need to let the tensioner turn back the way while still pushing in the same direction.
thanks for sharing
Incredible!, very helpful!
Thank you for the kind words!
@@HelpfulLockPicker I must learn,because im a firefighter and i want to open doors not to break them. You are the best way to someone to learn
great info. thanks for sharing
Marty Hastings no problem, I'm glad it's helpful :)
So when you have a false set from a spool pin you rely on the other pins to pull the cylinder back and the false set pin will correct position and open? Im missing something. when the tension returns back to normal position youdont need to touch pin one again? Thx Bro and anybody else. I dont understand why the spool pin would move up and set without touching it. Noob BTW. THX!
When you set the standard pins the lock goes into a false set because the plug sits on the thinner diameter of the spool pin. When you set the spool it lifts from thin diameter to thicker diameter which makes the counter rotation
Very good video.
PESTILENTZ thank you for the kind words
Great video thank you :)
Cherokee thank you for the kind words!
I'm just starting out and bought a repinnable lock with a schlage keyway and a sparrows reload kit. HOW does anyone fit a pick in this damn keyway, the schlage warding is blocking me from accessing all the pins and hindering me from practicing. Please help.
I would strongly recommend you start off with a quick Kwikset Lock because the key way is much more open.
On the Schlage you have to pick from an angle left to right. The pick will be slightly slanted
@@HelpfulLockPicker thank you for the quick response. Are there quickset repinnable locks for practice and if so do they use the same pins and springs as the schlage and in the sparrows reload kit?
@@HelpfulLockPicker also are they available in cutaway locks? Thank you again
@@FollowerofYahuwah You could purchase one from placed like Hime Depot easily. The keypins are different heights but the springs and driver pins are compatible
@@FollowerofYahuwah most of the cutaway locks are Schlage for some reason. You might be able to find some on eBay.
Your video is very helpful, and clarifies a lot. But please get a camera that changes focus less frequently.
I already have, this was one of my older videos
I can never figure out which way to turn my lwn locks go counterclockwise
If you pick it the wrong way you can always fix it with a plug spinner
you could try turning off the auto focus
nice vid :D
This was on my old setup and unfortunately that was not an option at the time.
Great . subscribed
Thank you for the kind words and subscribing!
Very informative and nice video, thank you!
Thank you for the kind words and I am glad it helps!
what if every single pin is a spool pin???
You would start off in a false set and find thing binding pin (likely the one giving counter rotation) and pick one pin at a time until the lock opens
@@HelpfulLockPicker there's so much slack because every single one of the pins are Spool pins, that it makes it impossible to apply the perfect amount of tension on my tension wrench. I don't have problems setting the pins, every single time I set like three pins, I go to set the fourth one and one of the three pins fall down.
@@ddoggangstar2 you just have to really find the true binding order. It takes time to develop in some locks are just harder than others with different configurations
only 11 minutes? 😜
Bored Lock picker lol
Nice! Locks with spool pins talk loud in some strange foreign language... :/
Thanks for checking it out! I love the feedback that spools provide
@@HelpfulLockPicker Not giving up... Blind-picking of (high-security) lever-locks would be interesting. No one does this
The more I practice the worse I get
That is unfortunate. Just keep going at it and don't be afraid to take a few days off here and there
so much comic sans :(
The sans has been retired for well over a year :)
@@HelpfulLockPicker LOL the video is still very informative thanks. i just figured out how to pick these last night.
Really great video. Great detail. Thank You.
Thank you for the kind words and I am glad it helps!