Just want to say great episode and takes, as I’m watching this post 50/50 and what he did this season. New Ohtani collector here and have learned so much! May have joined the party a bit late (and at peak hype), but better late than never? Maybe? Haha
Great show as usual. Not to long because you guys educate, debate, throw in the “what ifs”, and speculate the cards you discuss. Love it. All five of you guys bring in different perspectives and possibilities. For me, this teams brings a lot of possibilities of what I would like to own. Thanks guys.
I feel like SSP's need too much information for the buyer. Everyone knows was a gold refractor is. But a card being an SSP because the player is touching his head? IDK, doesnt do it for me. Now anyone willing to spend 4k on a card probably knows what SSPs are, but I imagine numbered cards have a much bigger audience. SSP's if the image isn't super cool don't do much for me.
Chris here - that’s fair. The image isn’t especially exciting. But it sure is rare. Like you, I’d like to think that anybody looking or willing to spend $5k+ on a baseball card is doing their homework, but you’re right that a gold refractor is more universal. Thanks for watching!
@@stueystuey1962 True, but you also need those people looking for it. Think about how few people actually know its even out there, compared to a gold refractor, everyone knows.
Worst pause I ever had in the hobby was not buying Ohtani when he had his 1st TJ when his cards were dirt cheap and my buddy was picking up his stuff for Pennies on the dollar. Now I just pick up some of his cheaper stuff
Great episode. Keep em coming. Scott, feels to me like there is no connection there for you to own an Ohtani. Can't force it or you want enjoy owning the card and as you stated, you'll end up moving off of it.
Chris here - Poor Scott is a Rockies fan, so he doesn’t have any connection to current great players. Or really, even good ones. His Betts fandom makes him a Dodgers fan and I think every dodgers fan will want a piece of Ohtani history before his 10 years are up. Thanks for watching
@23:55 Something to consider is that his autos in Bowman Chrome are (expired) redemptions. So really the population of BCRASO's is pretty much going to remain the same forever.
I really love the content that your team puts out. I think you all may be underestimating the broader global stardom that Ohtani has and (in my opinion) will continue to have when discussing his market and whether its "too hot." He's a generational talent and he's not American. We've seen that before with Latin American players in the sport's past, but we've never seen that with an Asian player. Ichiro is the closest thing and he was never the best player in baseball during his playing days. His cards have held up very well in price and Ohtani is on a different level in terms of production. Because of this wide-spread and international appeal, I would argue that his market isn't "too hot."
There are a total of only 6 RED INK 2018 Topps Heritage PSA 10's of Ohtani graded and that's both series 1 and 2 together~with and without the hat... 69+69 is it? Interesting how tough that card is to gem.... I think some of the SSP's are as populated as any of his other options.... so SSP's I take with a grain of salt....great topic !
Chris here - Those high number red inks - better image IMO - are notoriously off center. Why topps, why?? Red Inks and heritage autos in general are pretty tough to gem. Paper cards, handled by a lot of people. Ohtani SSP - definitely more updates printed than the series 2. Thanks for watching!
@@SpitballinCards No joke... Aaron Judge RC is a fielding shot looking straight up his schnozz..... Topps blowing it on many fronts... If they just hired a consultant for 200k a year they would increase their bottom line by 20-30 million....lol. CUZ It ain't rocket science !!
I like xfractor cards and the Ohtani no update xfractor cards are only numbered to 50. The PSA 10 pop count is around 17. *Edit* I’ve been corrected they are of /99.
Chris here - I love a good xfractor myself. Design really pops. I like that the updates are numbered (#/99 though, not 50) and I prefer the non auto to the ones with sticker autos. Which do you like better?
@@SpitballinCards ah yes, that’s correct /99. I actually own both in a PSA 10. Those were the first “big” cards I purchased of him a few years ago. I do prefer the hitting version but I love them both. One of my favorite cards of his is the 2018 Panini Flawless with the logo patch. The patch is perfect and the card is beautiful. I know unlicensed cards don’t carry the same value, but just based on looks, it’s my favorite.
2018 Shohei Ohtani Gold US700 PSA 10 for 2K + A second/third year auto before he started romanizing his auto. Two 2019 Transcendent autos (BGS 9 10 auto and BGS 9.5 9 auto) just sold for $1700 and $1900 so those would've been good pickups.
Just picked up the Bowman chrome base rookie batting for $1500 CAD… a day before the World Series. Was $1100 before the Padres series. Couldn’t stall anymore. I can’t afford any of the refractors or autos so this is my holy grail 😂. Wish me luck boys!
The only Ohtani RC I own is the Bowman base paper that I pulled out of the RC Explosion box last month. I’ll sell it to you for 5K Scott, that includes shipping!
Buy the best Ohtani you can afford that has a low print run/serial numbered because in the long run, the big Ohtani collectors will have everything else and a bidding war will rage over it. I would then narrow it down rookie cards. I like the dual auto of Ohtani and Acuna as well as the Ichiro and Ohtani gold refractor. One of you made a good point about Ohtani is like Brady, discounted because he had a flaw and now it looks like he could be one of the most talked about baseball players since Babe Ruth.
This is an amazing watch in late September 2024, I'm sure it will be for a long time to come. Really nothing said was wrong ... just, what a season and what an ending to the season. And sadly, I think Scottie's still searching.
Chris here - I meant to go back and revisit this one and see how we did. You are correct, he is still searching. And at this point, waiting might be the best option. Or might not...
Chris was pressured into buying trout cards so im curious if he is still ahead on the card/cards. to me its a good decider on ohtani cards. we tend to value cards as if nothing will change during a players career but trout proves that model to be potentially flawed.
Great question! I ended up buying a Finest xfractor rookie bgs 9.5. Got a decent price but I’m sure it’s a little down now considering yet another injury. I also was able to track down his 2013-14 topps chrome SSP’s, which I’m absolutely pumped to have. You’re dead on that expecting human beings to continue performing exactly the same way is very flawed way of thinking. Could I buy the same trout rookie today for less money? Probably. The Chrome SSP’s - I doubt I’ll ever have the chance.
Are some of these cards you are considering still available in unopened packs or have they all been pulled? Crazy question, but what do you think? If I told you have 3 boxes of 2018, would you tell me to rip them in search of one of his autos? Do I tip the 2018 case of Heritage I have in search of???
To Phil at 23 mins in I agree but I'd say most cards being sold were bought lower and now the people know they can easily double their money. You can always reinvest your gains back in to Ohtani with a better card worth more.
Maybe next time you guys do this, have me in. I have hundreds of thousands in Ohtani cards and I think my perspective could be interesting. I can verify all of my cards too.
Chris here - I like that card too. As a devers fan, I like that topps used the same kind of image for their topps chrome variations. Kind of a hero feel to it.
@@SpitballinCards agree! Only one of his I have that I’m not kind of tired of looking at lol. I also love the freshman flash image from the same set, just wish it was a lot more rare.
I still can’t figure out why the finest mystery redemption auto /99 RC only sells for around 3500 in a psa 9. It’s one of his most beautiful auto rcs, it was a redemption, it’s an on card auto, and it’s /99. That’s one of his best and most underrated cards in my opinion.
Chris here - everything you said is correct, but this still Finest. Same with Bowman’s Best. Just not as popular or big name product. It’ll never keep pace with topps chrome and bowman chrome but does provide nice looking cards at more reasonable prices. The Acuna finest redemption auto rookie is a beauty as well! Thanks for watching!
@@dan.hunter Thanks 🙏, I meant how many were produced of the BBM 2013 rookie cards . I recently bought 6 different ones in PSA 10 , D-07, RP-43 , RP-19, F02B , 554 & 183
I think Ohtani’s Update pitching ssp and his stadium club pitching ssp are the best bang for your buck. I didn’t own any Ohtani and went with those. I could be mistaken though
Those are two fantastic cards! Chris here - great buys. Low pop, cool images. Great use of horizontal framing. I hope you’ll be happy with this cards for a long time. Thanks for watching
There ARE no mistakes.... just unforgivable errors..... I think my uncle taught me that early on back in the days when Darryl Strawberry was bangin' chicks in the clubhouse at Shea between innings.
I love this dynamic to collecting. Find the hidden gems. Think outside the box. Things will change in time too. I see ACTUALLY low pop, unserialized RC inserts for basement prices. Take my money.
Philmington at 22:45 bringing the real talk. This is the issue (with basically all ultra modern singles market moves) always at play. Which is why I tip my cap to all you silly fools playing the game and wish you fiends god speed as I collect my 90s Jordan inserts and random low numbered cool 2000's dead era stuff of players/teams I like on the cheap.
i am taiwan people， i am very intersted about shohei card。 which is now the best invest item？ wbc auto card？ 2018 rc auto card ？ 2024 dodger auto card？
I would choose that 9.5 BGS Bowman chrome batting auto with a 10 auto Next I like the pitching Bowman’s best auto also 9.5 BGS with 10 auto And one you never mentioned is The Topps Chrome Rookie update numbered to 250 ( no auto ) in PSA 10 ( still can get it for 2K ) And it’s a batting pose
Chris here - love the bowman chrome batting auto. Great choice. But will definitely cost more than the $5k budget. I know the chrome update you mean, it’s the rookie debut card. While the image is great, it’s still just a rookie debut card. It will slays lag behind the base chrome rookie and probably the update base card rookie as well. It’s truly a shame topps didn’t use that batting image on the update base card.
@@SpitballinCards Thanks 🙏 for the info I might just get the PSA 10 non auto version numbered to 499 , & the Topps rookie debut batting chrome in PSA 10 Then finally the Bowman’s Best pitching Autograph and save a little money by getting a BGS 9.5 card with a 10 auto I have a little higher budget
I have to be missing something. Ohtani is 29 with 37 WAR, 737 hits, 182 hrs, and a .279 career average. He pitches and dh’s which are two of the least valuable positions to collect. I get it, he hits and pitches but is everyone expecting him to be some starting ace that hits 40 hrs at 38 years old? Idk I just don’t see it. What specific statistic do you see holding this value long term?
My personal opinion is that by the time Ohtani retires, he will be considered as the greatest player in the history of baseball. That's what will keep his values up long term.
@@CraigBeauchemin I do get where you are coming from but I don’t think there has ever been a “greatest of all time” player that didn’t have at least one exceptional career stat. I just think if ohtani where to miss a full season from now till retirement, he’s going to have a real tough time hitting any of those stats especially if he stops pitching which is likely after like 35. You also have to realize that he’s only been putting up crazy numbers for like 3 years. His first two seasons weren’t that great so there is a chance he could turn out out like yelich or bellinger. No one in 2019 would have predicted them to burn out and you would have been called crazy for predicting it
@@tedjerdee1028 While Ohtani may not have something like a 60 HR season or a Cy Young season (yet), I think the way it needs to be looked as is just how good he is at doing both. He's not just "okay" at hitting and pitching, he is EXCEPTIONAL at both of them. There is nobody who can do what he does. Barring *knock on wood* a career ending injury or some sort, I've got no doubts he will finish with 400 career homers. POSSIBLY even 500 if he has a few huge seasons in the next 3-4 years. If he got to 500+ homers and pitched great for a few more seasons, plus a couple WS wins with the Dodgers, how could it possibly be debated that he's the greatest of all time?
Just too many options I have no idea what to buy. If you had to buy, buy one that you find attractive and limited supply, just wait until an injury or the offseason
It’s possible that his prices Some in the off season. It’s tough - we want his card because we believe he is a generational/transcendent player but if that’s true then why would his nieces come down? It’s a battle. I hope he stays healthy and keeps doing amazing things.
@@iconic_baseball I could probably spend that kind of money on a babe ruth from his playing days. I absolutely love ruth. Really wish I was alive then. Haha
@SpitballinCards I wouldn't mind spending a ton of money on a card. But as iconic said. It'd have to be an older one. Anything could happen to players today. I would spend high amount of money on pokemon tho. Lmao. Love the art work on some. But my problem is. I get too attached to cards, and I'm supposed to be a flipper. Haha.
Guys, this is so easy...Series 2 FLAGSHIP Rainbow Foil in a 10 for $500. Same print run as the golds /2018. Even less rainbows graded at psa in total. Golds go for $2k. Rainbow for $500.
Chris here - problem with rainbow foils is they’ll never be as popular as golds. Never. Golds have legacy. Started on 1992 and began current numbering in 2001. These have history. They’re always going to be in demand. Always desirable. Longest running flagship parallel. Rainbow foils look good and they are condition sensitive but no long history, no legacy. Topps even started making Gold foils now to go with rainbow foils. It’s not always about the print runs. Look at green refractors #/99 - sometimes blues #/150 outsell them! Rainbow Ohtani gems for $500 seems like a good price. About 1/4 of the gold. Maybe some room to grow. But please dont count on them catching the gold. The PSA 10 pop counts show foils have about 2X more gems than the golds as well. I’d be very wary long term.
@@dan.hunter Chris here - rare? Yes. But desirable by the hobby? Not really. Supply is low but demand isn’t really there. Topps gold may have 2x the print run but I’d take it over the “limited edition” cards all day long! Thanks for watching!
@@dawsontaylor6902 Chris here - good call. We should absolutely do another one. Lots of great Ohtani options in that price range. Maybe a high grade topps gold #700 rookie? Or the stadium club pitching ssp?
All these card variations are flooding the market so in the future 99 percent of these cards will go down in value. It is only the very best top of the line Ohtani that will give you any return.
How can you say Ohtani is the only interesting player in baseball ? I’m an Elly guy and only 3-4 guys have ever done what he has done in the first 162 games.
Chris here - these cards do look great. And if there’s a player whose dynasty cards could really take off, Ohtani might be that player because he has no first bowman chrome autos!
Wait until Ohtani is nearing the end of his career and has had a few consecutive down years. When he’s 37-38. Or a year or 2 after his retirement. His cards will be cheaper as most people will be more interested in the “can’t miss” prospects. Happened to Jordan and Griffey. And will happen to Ohtani too.
Guys I just don't understand why cards that are signed and ain't pack pulled are looked at in a bad view...makes no sense to me?? Especially if the auto looks nice and like it's supposed to be there like that independence day....and it's authenticated by psa.....just haven't figured out this over all view from most in the hobby...like I get they white out the card so the auto pops on the pack pulled or leave a special space for the auto but some of the in person autos look better than pack pulled...that independence day was great but u guys don't like it???? I don't get it boyz
Chris here - couple things for me. Cards pulled from packs are the way they’re meant to be. Pack pulled autos are - in my mind - an autographed card. It’s part of the card. An in person auto is a card with an autograph added. It’s different. And they’re only as rare as the card itself. Most players sign. They’re not particularly hard to get - for the most part. Not rare. And not special. They can be fun PC items with good stories, but I have almost zero interest in buying someone else’s. The biggest exception to this is obviously vintage. Because there weren’t pack pulled on card autos back then and now less chances for autos.
@SpitballinCards ya I get it,most in person autos don't look good, just looks like writing on a card usually ruins it, but if its done correctly and on the right card in the right space with the right sized and colored pen.....can take it to the next level...that independence day looked pretty good man, maybe the auto could been just a tad lower but pffft fire
@@Wicky952 I understand that on paper it sounds like a great combo. I love a good and I’ve thought about giving some signed. But I just think the emergence of topps certified autos in packs just wrecks the values of any in person auto. Just my opinion.
Chris here - Ultra modern/modern in person autos do nothing for me. I get it as something for your PC, but now that almost every player signs in multiple sets for topps, I dont see the appeal. (Possible exclusion for some SSP, though I have not made up my mind) Thanks for watching
@@SpitballinCards I think this is the time guys prices are the highest in their careers and this is some of the best baseball he will be playing. The injury risk is always a possibility and with how inflated all his prices are so far beyond everyone else, it just seems like it’s too high….especially at his age. Basically I don’t see how his prices can go much higher. I’m worried his cards will do what trouts will do over the next 5-10 years. I also think card prices are generally all inflated and we will all be losing money in the long run so I just try to collect what I really like. Also with how short sighted the hobby is, all it will take is one bad season or another injury and I think prices will drop pretty big.
@@robselley9298 I agree with a lot of what you say, but i think it depends on the card and if you want to hold long term and what you believe his place in history will be. Players that change the game will always be valuable. If you believe Ohtani will be among the greatest of all time and who has changed the game, then I think that will add value. Numbered cards and limited print will always have more value. I believe his non rookie cards are priced way too high, but his rookie cards could still grow long term. Lastly, I don’t think his cards will be able to increase much more short term. If you want to hold long term, buy the right card and think he will be considered an all time great, there is definite room for his card prices to grow.
Scott here-Yes, there are great cards for that price, but the cards in this tier will most likely to go down faster if Ohtani's market softens. I also can get most players best cards for 2-5k but for Ohtani it is a little tougher to get a tier 1 level card at that price. That is the main issue I have. Especially since 2K is still a lot of money. Thanks for watching.
Just want to say great episode and takes, as I’m watching this post 50/50 and what he did this season. New Ohtani collector here and have learned so much! May have joined the party a bit late (and at peak hype), but better late than never? Maybe? Haha
Great show as usual. Not to long because you guys educate, debate, throw in the “what ifs”, and speculate the cards you discuss. Love it. All five of you guys bring in different perspectives and possibilities. For me, this teams brings a lot of possibilities of what I would like to own. Thanks guys.
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Really appreciate the feedback, thanks so much!
I feel like SSP's need too much information for the buyer. Everyone knows was a gold refractor is. But a card being an SSP because the player is touching his head? IDK, doesnt do it for me. Now anyone willing to spend 4k on a card probably knows what SSPs are, but I imagine numbered cards have a much bigger audience. SSP's if the image isn't super cool don't do much for me.
Chris here - that’s fair. The image isn’t especially exciting. But it sure is rare. Like you, I’d like to think that anybody looking or willing to spend $5k+ on a baseball card is doing their homework, but you’re right that a gold refractor is more universal.
Thanks for watching!
At that price point all one needs is 2 or 3 knowledgeable buyers for a price increase. That's the point.
@@stueystuey1962 True, but you also need those people looking for it. Think about how few people actually know its even out there, compared to a gold refractor, everyone knows.
Worst pause I ever had in the hobby was not buying Ohtani when he had his 1st TJ when his cards were dirt cheap and my buddy was picking up his stuff for Pennies on the dollar. Now I just pick up some of his cheaper stuff
@@ryanra44If you want good Ohtani cards that are affordable check out his 2018 Topps Update Pitching SSP and his 2018 Stadium Club pitching ssp.
“One good soak from a PSA 10” should be BGS’s next marketing initiative
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I picked up the Bowman Chrome Refractor PSA 9 for $1300 just before he signed with the Dodgers. My favourite card I own!
That’s a beautiful card! Great shine on the 2018 refractors.
Congrats!
The Independent 76 Ohtani is my grail card to get one day. 👍💯
Absolutely beautiful card!
Come back at the end of the season and see how these same cards have changed and what you would have gained/lost.
Great idea!
Definitely!
One of your best episodes. Awesome content guys.
Thanks for watching! We appreciate the support!
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Thank you!
Great episode. Keep em coming. Scott, feels to me like there is no connection there for you to own an Ohtani. Can't force it or you want enjoy owning the card and as you stated, you'll end up moving off of it.
Chris here - Poor Scott is a Rockies fan, so he doesn’t have any connection to current great players. Or really, even good ones.
His Betts fandom makes him a Dodgers fan and I think every dodgers fan will want a piece of Ohtani history before his 10 years are up.
Thanks for watching
@23:55 Something to consider is that his autos in Bowman Chrome are (expired) redemptions. So really the population of BCRASO's is pretty much going to remain the same forever.
Very good point
They certainly should. Nobody wants to see those cards show up in more stupid silver pack or as replacement autos.
Fantastic show guys. Thank you for the great content.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!
Love the longer episodes!!
Thanks for watching!
I really love the content that your team puts out. I think you all may be underestimating the broader global stardom that Ohtani has and (in my opinion) will continue to have when discussing his market and whether its "too hot." He's a generational talent and he's not American. We've seen that before with Latin American players in the sport's past, but we've never seen that with an Asian player. Ichiro is the closest thing and he was never the best player in baseball during his playing days. His cards have held up very well in price and Ohtani is on a different level in terms of production. Because of this wide-spread and international appeal, I would argue that his market isn't "too hot."
Thanks so much for watching and commenting! Excellent points.
Amazing episode guys!
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Great video guys! Get that Ohtani card Scott. You "need" it!
He absolutely needs it!!
Thanks for watching!
Im a noob but even i have a couple ohtani cards.
Not at the expense ofselling the Goldie. No way. Keep Goldie Red. Special Ohtanis will always be available. BowChro /5 not so much.
"All about Shohei Ohtani....." Like the sound of that!
Chris here - me too!
There are a total of only 6 RED INK 2018 Topps Heritage PSA 10's of Ohtani graded and that's both series 1 and 2 together~with and without the hat... 69+69 is it? Interesting how tough that card is to gem.... I think some of the SSP's are as populated as any of his other options.... so SSP's I take with a grain of salt....great topic !
Chris here - Those high number red inks - better image IMO - are notoriously off center. Why topps, why??
Red Inks and heritage autos in general are pretty tough to gem. Paper cards, handled by a lot of people.
Ohtani SSP - definitely more updates printed than the series 2.
Thanks for watching!
@@SpitballinCards No joke... Aaron Judge RC is a fielding shot looking straight up his schnozz..... Topps blowing it on many fronts... If they just hired a consultant for 200k a year they would increase their bottom line by 20-30 million....lol. CUZ It ain't rocket science !!
@@simondaughtry4619 judges flagship rookie image is so bad. Makes zero sense. Why why why why why why?!
I own the shohei ohtani legends in the making gold in a psa 10 it’s only a pop 4 I love it so much definitely my holy grail card in my collection!
Chris here - I’m glad your collection grail is an Ohtani!! He deserves that place in our collections.
Thanks for watching!
Considering how much prices have changed in the last six months, the World Series win, presumed MVP, I’d love a Shohei Rookie update video.
I like xfractor cards and the Ohtani no update xfractor cards are only numbered to 50. The PSA 10 pop count is around 17.
*Edit* I’ve been corrected they are of /99.
Chris here - I love a good xfractor myself. Design really pops.
I like that the updates are numbered (#/99 though, not 50) and I prefer the non auto to the ones with sticker autos.
Which do you like better?
@@SpitballinCards ah yes, that’s correct /99. I actually own both in a PSA 10. Those were the first “big” cards I purchased of him a few years ago. I do prefer the hitting version but I love them both.
One of my favorite cards of his is the 2018 Panini Flawless with the logo patch. The patch is perfect and the card is beautiful. I know unlicensed cards don’t carry the same value, but just based on looks, it’s my favorite.
2018 Shohei Ohtani Gold US700 PSA 10 for 2K + A second/third year auto before he started romanizing his auto. Two 2019 Transcendent autos (BGS 9 10 auto and BGS 9.5 9 auto) just sold for $1700 and $1900 so those would've been good pickups.
Chris here - absolutely a free on the autos before he changed the way he signed. Great point.
Just picked up the Bowman chrome base rookie batting for $1500 CAD… a day before the World Series. Was $1100 before the Padres series. Couldn’t stall anymore. I can’t afford any of the refractors or autos so this is my holy grail 😂. Wish me luck boys!
The only Ohtani RC I own is the Bowman base paper that I pulled out of the RC Explosion box last month. I’ll sell it to you for 5K Scott, that includes shipping!
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Chris here - I’ll make sure he sees the offer.
Nice pull!
I bought a mega blaster of topps update '18 and pulled 4 versions of ohtani. I felt like that was pretty good. Pulled Soto rainbow foil as well
Sounds like an absolutely insane box!!
Buy the best Ohtani you can afford that has a low print run/serial numbered because in the long run, the big Ohtani collectors will have everything else and a bidding war will rage over it. I would then narrow it down rookie cards. I like the dual auto of Ohtani and Acuna as well as the Ichiro and Ohtani gold refractor. One of you made a good point about Ohtani is like Brady, discounted because he had a flaw and now it looks like he could be one of the most talked about baseball players since Babe Ruth.
This is an amazing watch in late September 2024, I'm sure it will be for a long time to come. Really nothing said was wrong ... just, what a season and what an ending to the season. And sadly, I think Scottie's still searching.
Chris here - I meant to go back and revisit this one and see how we did. You are correct, he is still searching. And at this point, waiting might be the best option.
Or might not...
Chris was pressured into buying trout cards so im curious if he is still ahead on the card/cards. to me its a good decider on ohtani cards. we tend to value cards as if nothing will change during a players career but trout proves that model to be potentially flawed.
He already said that cost him money lol. Nobody is ahead on Trout that bought then
Great question! I ended up buying a Finest xfractor rookie bgs 9.5. Got a decent price but I’m sure it’s a little down now considering yet another injury.
I also was able to track down his 2013-14 topps chrome SSP’s, which I’m absolutely pumped to have.
You’re dead on that expecting human beings to continue performing exactly the same way is very flawed way of thinking.
Could I buy the same trout rookie today for less money? Probably.
The Chrome SSP’s - I doubt I’ll ever have the chance.
Are some of these cards you are considering still available in unopened packs or have they all been pulled? Crazy question, but what do you think? If I told you have 3 boxes of 2018, would you tell me to rip them in search of one of his autos? Do I tip the 2018 case of Heritage I have in search of???
If that stuff is still unopened now, then I’d recommend leaving it unopened. Sealed 2018 boxes can be a great investment.
What boxes do you have?
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What do y'all think about the Goodwin auto? It's ridiculously expensive but really cool looking
To Phil at 23 mins in I agree but I'd say most cards being sold were bought lower and now the people know they can easily double their money. You can always reinvest your gains back in to Ohtani with a better card worth more.
This isn’t true! Sell Ohtani to buy Ohtani and work your way up the ladder.
Maybe next time you guys do this, have me in. I have hundreds of thousands in Ohtani cards and I think my perspective could be interesting. I can verify all of my cards too.
Wow! Chris here - sounds like an amazing Ohtani collection! Do you have an IG or anything to show it off?
I’d love to see it
@@SpitballinCards can u send me a private message? Will send u contact
@@SpitballinCards no IG, do u have a email or other contact?
2018 Topps Chrome Ohtani Red Jersey Dugout SP PSA 10 is my favorite for the $1,000-$1,500 price range. 1st Topps Chrome SP
Chris here - I like that card too. As a devers fan, I like that topps used the same kind of image for their topps chrome variations.
Kind of a hero feel to it.
@@SpitballinCards agree! Only one of his I have that I’m not kind of tired of looking at lol. I also love the freshman flash image from the same set, just wish it was a lot more rare.
@@aduncaroo I’m sure there’s a red Freshman Flash parallel….
Wow. This is gonna be shared by me!!!
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Appreciate it!
I still can’t figure out why the finest mystery redemption auto /99 RC only sells for around 3500 in a psa 9. It’s one of his most beautiful auto rcs, it was a redemption, it’s an on card auto, and it’s /99. That’s one of his best and most underrated cards in my opinion.
Chris here - everything you said is correct, but this still Finest. Same with Bowman’s Best. Just not as popular or big name product. It’ll never keep pace with topps chrome and bowman chrome but does provide nice looking cards at more reasonable prices.
The Acuna finest redemption auto rookie is a beauty as well!
Thanks for watching!
More ohtani content please. Let us know if you pick up an ohtani card Scott.
Chris here - if he decides on one, we’ll definitely talk about it.
Thanks for watching and we’ll try to talk Ohtani more
No talk about 2013 Japanese cards. What’s everyone’s thoughts on those? Very low pop and would love to hear your opinions.
Chris here - I stick to US and licensed. I’m not saying there’s no value in the Japan cards, but they’re not for me.
What is the population of the 2013 Japan BBM rookie cards ?
@@dougtrvl888 obviously they all differ, but all around a few hundred total pop. My favorite is the WB2 which is 171 pop and 92 PSA 10.
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Thanks 🙏, I meant how many were produced of the BBM 2013 rookie cards . I recently bought 6 different ones in PSA 10 , D-07, RP-43 , RP-19, F02B , 554 & 183
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WB2 looks great 👍. I’m going to get one
I think Ohtani’s Update pitching ssp and his stadium club pitching ssp are the best bang for your buck. I didn’t own any Ohtani and went with those. I could be mistaken though
Those are two fantastic cards!
Chris here - great buys. Low pop, cool images. Great use of horizontal framing.
I hope you’ll be happy with this cards for a long time.
Thanks for watching
There ARE no mistakes.... just unforgivable errors..... I think my uncle taught me that early on back in the days when Darryl Strawberry was bangin' chicks in the clubhouse at Shea between innings.
@@simondaughtry4619 😂😂😂
@@simondaughtry4619 was he snorting cocaine before or during these between inning bangings
I love this dynamic to collecting. Find the hidden gems. Think outside the box. Things will change in time too. I see ACTUALLY low pop, unserialized RC inserts for basement prices. Take my money.
Philmington at 22:45 bringing the real talk. This is the issue (with basically all ultra modern singles market moves) always at play. Which is why I tip my cap to all you silly fools playing the game and wish you fiends god speed as I collect my 90s Jordan inserts and random low numbered cool 2000's dead era stuff of players/teams I like on the cheap.
The modern/ultra modern hobby is definitely risky. No doubt about it.
we need an episode like this about pete alonso 😅
Hahaha. “dropping 100K on Pistol Pete Alonso”
@@Philmington lets goooooo!!! 🤣
@@forpetesake20 Chris here - you know I like his stadium club rookie image variation.
And the polar bear card!
i am taiwan people， i am very intersted about shohei card。 which is now the best invest item？ wbc auto card？ 2018 rc auto card ？ 2024 dodger auto card？
That’s what this episode is all about!
If you can afford it, a 2018 Bowman chrome rookie auto is probably your best bet!
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I would choose that 9.5 BGS Bowman chrome batting auto with a 10 auto
Next I like the pitching Bowman’s best auto also 9.5 BGS with 10 auto
And one you never mentioned is
The Topps Chrome Rookie update numbered to 250 ( no auto ) in
PSA 10 ( still can get it for 2K )
And it’s a batting pose
Chris here - love the bowman chrome batting auto. Great choice. But will definitely cost more than the $5k budget.
I know the chrome update you mean, it’s the rookie debut card. While the image is great, it’s still just a rookie debut card. It will slays lag behind the base chrome rookie and probably the update base card rookie as well.
It’s truly a shame topps didn’t use that batting image on the update base card.
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Thanks 🙏 for the info
I might just get the PSA 10 non auto version numbered to 499 , & the Topps rookie debut batting chrome in PSA 10
Then finally the Bowman’s Best pitching Autograph and save a little money by getting a BGS 9.5 card with a 10 auto
I have a little higher budget
@@dougtrvl888 those would be great pick ups. The 2018 bowman chrome refractor rookie #/499 is gorgeous
You guys keep talking about how the episode is too long. I would've been very happy to hear you all keep talking about this for another hour.
so，now Dodgers shohei auto card with shohei rc auto card ，which more worth？
Rookie auto will always be better
Scott just buy 1 to save everyone the grief 😅
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i have a few ohtani rookies id be down to sell. base, chrome, and graded. all up for sale.
It’s a good time to have Ohtani for sale
I have to be missing something. Ohtani is 29 with 37 WAR, 737 hits, 182 hrs, and a .279 career average. He pitches and dh’s which are two of the least valuable positions to collect. I get it, he hits and pitches but is everyone expecting him to be some starting ace that hits 40 hrs at 38 years old? Idk I just don’t see it. What specific statistic do you see holding this value long term?
My personal opinion is that by the time Ohtani retires, he will be considered as the greatest player in the history of baseball. That's what will keep his values up long term.
@@CraigBeauchemin I do get where you are coming from but I don’t think there has ever been a “greatest of all time” player that didn’t have at least one exceptional career stat. I just think if ohtani where to miss a full season from now till retirement, he’s going to have a real tough time hitting any of those stats especially if he stops pitching which is likely after like 35. You also have to realize that he’s only been putting up crazy numbers for like 3 years. His first two seasons weren’t that great so there is a chance he could turn out out like yelich or bellinger. No one in 2019 would have predicted them to burn out and you would have been called crazy for predicting it
@@tedjerdee1028 While Ohtani may not have something like a 60 HR season or a Cy Young season (yet), I think the way it needs to be looked as is just how good he is at doing both. He's not just "okay" at hitting and pitching, he is EXCEPTIONAL at both of them. There is nobody who can do what he does. Barring *knock on wood* a career ending injury or some sort, I've got no doubts he will finish with 400 career homers. POSSIBLY even 500 if he has a few huge seasons in the next 3-4 years. If he got to 500+ homers and pitched great for a few more seasons, plus a couple WS wins with the Dodgers, how could it possibly be debated that he's the greatest of all time?
Just too many options I have no idea what to buy. If you had to buy, buy one that you find attractive and limited supply, just wait until an injury or the offseason
He does have a lot of options.
Pick your budget first and foremost and then just do as much research as you can.
Thanks for watching!
Wrong time to be buying Ohtani.. it will drop at some point over the next calendar year. Even if you save 10-15% or more from the prices right now.
The problem we all share is will he not stop being excellent and his prices never come back down. That's the hardest part
It’s possible that his prices
Some in the off season. It’s tough - we want his card because we believe he is a generational/transcendent player but if that’s true then why would his nieces come down?
It’s a battle. I hope he stays healthy and keeps doing amazing things.
This comment aged very poorly
Personally, I’d never spend $5K on ANY sportscard. I’ve never spent more than $2500 on any single card.
shittttt... even 2500 is too much. lol... ill never pay over 300... i trade for the high end cards.
full disclosure, I spent $2300 on my 1923 W515 Babe Ruth.. for me, it’s difficult to justify dropping that kind of money on a modern card.
Scott here-I completely understand that argument. I only buy that expensive of a card if I am able to sell other cards to cover the transaction!
@@iconic_baseball I could probably spend that kind of money on a babe ruth from his playing days. I absolutely love ruth. Really wish I was alive then. Haha
@SpitballinCards I wouldn't mind spending a ton of money on a card. But as iconic said. It'd have to be an older one. Anything could happen to players today. I would spend high amount of money on pokemon tho. Lmao. Love the art work on some. But my problem is. I get too attached to cards, and I'm supposed to be a flipper. Haha.
True rookie cards are from Japan. BBM #183 his true Flagship. People are catching on and it’s exploding.
Ohtani to dodgers hopefully bring s a World Series for years to come
It will definitely bring postseason exposure. But can they win those big games??
Guys, this is so easy...Series 2 FLAGSHIP Rainbow Foil in a 10 for $500. Same print run as the golds /2018. Even less rainbows graded at psa in total. Golds go for $2k. Rainbow for $500.
I think the same about the Limited Edition version. Only 999 of those ever printed.
Chris here - problem with rainbow foils is they’ll never be as popular as golds. Never. Golds have legacy. Started on 1992 and began current numbering in 2001. These have history. They’re always going to be in demand. Always desirable. Longest running flagship parallel.
Rainbow foils look good and they are condition sensitive but no long history, no legacy. Topps even started making Gold foils now to go with rainbow foils.
It’s not always about the print runs. Look at green refractors #/99 - sometimes blues #/150 outsell them!
Rainbow Ohtani gems for $500 seems like a good price. About 1/4 of the gold. Maybe some room to grow. But please dont count on them catching the gold.
The PSA 10 pop counts show foils have about 2X more gems than the golds as well.
I’d be very wary long term.
@@dan.hunter Chris here - rare? Yes. But desirable by the hobby? Not really.
Supply is low but demand isn’t really there.
Topps gold may have 2x the print run but I’d take it over the “limited edition” cards all day long!
Thanks for watching!
Need this video but how to spend 500-2k …
@@dawsontaylor6902 Chris here - good call. We should absolutely do another one.
Lots of great Ohtani options in that price range.
Maybe a high grade topps gold #700 rookie?
Or the stadium club pitching ssp?
@@SpitballinCards thoughts on the bowman mega box wbc pitching one? I’ve heard people compare that to his bowman first
All these card variations are flooding the market so in the future 99 percent of these cards will go down in value. It is only the very best top of the line Ohtani that will give you any return.
How can you say Ohtani is the only interesting player in baseball ? I’m an Elly guy and only 3-4 guys have ever done what he has done in the first 162 games.
Chris here - which one of us said this? (Hopefully not me)
Phil. Love your Simpsons collection
@@timmccray7507 thank you!
Dammit, Phil!
2018 dynasty ohtani
Chris here - these cards do look great. And if there’s a player whose dynasty cards could really take off, Ohtani might be that player because he has no first bowman chrome autos!
Please don’t look at any more graded dynasty of anybody…ever 😂
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Wait until Ohtani is nearing the end of his career and has had a few consecutive down years. When he’s 37-38. Or a year or 2 after his retirement. His cards will be cheaper as most people will be more interested in the “can’t miss” prospects. Happened to Jordan and Griffey. And will happen to Ohtani too.
That’s going to require a LOT of patience!
Guys I just don't understand why cards that are signed and ain't pack pulled are looked at in a bad view...makes no sense to me?? Especially if the auto looks nice and like it's supposed to be there like that independence day....and it's authenticated by psa.....just haven't figured out this over all view from most in the hobby...like I get they white out the card so the auto pops on the pack pulled or leave a special space for the auto but some of the in person autos look better than pack pulled...that independence day was great but u guys don't like it???? I don't get it boyz
Chris here - couple things for me.
Cards pulled from packs are the way they’re meant to be. Pack pulled autos are - in my mind - an autographed card. It’s part of the card.
An in person auto is a card with an autograph added. It’s different. And they’re only as rare as the card itself.
Most players sign. They’re not particularly hard to get - for the most part. Not rare. And not special.
They can be fun PC items with good stories, but I have almost zero interest in buying someone else’s.
The biggest exception to this is obviously vintage. Because there weren’t pack pulled on card autos back then and now less chances for autos.
@SpitballinCards ya I get it,most in person autos don't look good, just looks like writing on a card usually ruins it, but if its done correctly and on the right card in the right space with the right sized and colored pen.....can take it to the next level...that independence day looked pretty good man, maybe the auto could been just a tad lower but pffft fire
@@Wicky952 I understand that on paper it sounds like a great combo. I love a good and I’ve thought about giving some signed.
But I just think the emergence of topps certified autos in packs just wrecks the values of any in person auto.
Just my opinion.
I get annoyed when people get rare parallels autographed. Oh well
Chris here - Ultra modern/modern in person autos do nothing for me.
I get it as something for your PC, but now that almost every player signs in multiple sets for topps, I dont see the appeal.
(Possible exclusion for some SSP, though I have not made up my mind)
Thanks for watching
I would not buy ohtani right now 😵💫
I’m not.. Unfortunately, I am priced out😂
Chris here - do you think another dip is coming? Or are you concerned about injury?
@@SpitballinCards I think this is the time guys prices are the highest in their careers and this is some of the best baseball he will be playing. The injury risk is always a possibility and with how inflated all his prices are so far beyond everyone else, it just seems like it’s too high….especially at his age. Basically I don’t see how his prices can go much higher. I’m worried his cards will do what trouts will do over the next 5-10 years. I also think card prices are generally all inflated and we will all be losing money in the long run so I just try to collect what I really like. Also with how short sighted the hobby is, all it will take is one bad season or another injury and I think prices will drop pretty big.
@@scottiebcards2354😂probably a good idea. I think we all have fomo right now!
@@robselley9298 I agree with a lot of what you say, but i think it depends on the card and if you want to hold long term and what you believe his place in history will be.
Players that change the game will always be valuable. If you believe Ohtani will be among the greatest of all time and who has changed the game, then I think that will add value.
Numbered cards and limited print will always have more value. I believe his non rookie cards are priced way too high, but his rookie cards could still grow long term.
Lastly, I don’t think his cards will be able to increase much more short term. If you want to hold long term, buy the right card and think he will be considered an all time great, there is definite room for his card prices to grow.
Scott, your eyes are bigger than your mouth. There are some great cards for 2k.
Scott here-Yes, there are great cards for that price, but the cards in this tier will most likely to go down faster if Ohtani's market softens. I also can get most players best cards for 2-5k but for Ohtani it is a little tougher to get a tier 1 level card at that price. That is the main issue I have. Especially since 2K is still a lot of money. Thanks for watching.
@@SpitballinCards That's a really good point. the OHTANI market is brutal right now.
Ohtani is a hard sell. Watch charts, cry later. 😢
Chris here - which charts?